The William Arthur Show
The William Arthur Show
EP 32: Rainy Days Colin | Deadly Hikes, Fire Arms, Nomadic Living, And Finding Freedom On The Road
8/01/23, Columbia Falls, MO 11:30 AM
Today I am joined by Mr. Rainy Days Colin hailing from New York. Clothing designer, artist, dog dad, courageous solo traveler and new friend! We discuss our experience meeting, adventuring into the unknown of Glacier National Park, and what it's been like to steep ourselves nomadic living.
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Two nights ago, which seems like much further away than two nights ago. I met a man named... Colin as I was on my way to Ashley Lake Campground, free camping just outside of West Glacier National Park. And I was crying because I was feeling the weights and the pressures of this extended road venture on my shoulders. And the universe supplied an awesome connection in perfect timing. So Colin, say what's up my friend.
Collin W: Bill:on my on, people? I'm happy to be here. I
Bill W: Collin:bring the mic a little closer to your face.
Collin W: Bill:feel like a sportscaster.
Bill W: Collin:yep, yep. These are, these are broadcasting headphones.
Collin W: Bill:You're a broadcaster now. Well, honestly, much better than any other podcast I've been on.
Bill W: Collin:Uh huh. Yeah.
Collin W: Bill:some serious equipment. I
Bill W: Collin:does the job.
Collin W: Bill:like the dedication.
Bill W: Collin:Indeed, indeed. Well, we got two bottles of wine here. I've never drinking wine on a podcast. And... Yeah, we've had quite the Adventure and experience since we had connected so we connected that first initial night at ashley lake there for a few hours Connected with another wonderful man named rob. Very friendly and awesome human being we miss rob Uh, we were supposed to camp there last night, but we had decided since I had been to the park a couple days prior to showing up to the campground and Colin was looking to get the Glacier National Park experience that we would send it out of that campsite at 4:00 AM take off towards the park at and before six before you need the vehicle registration pass and get a hiking. So we get there just a hike. Just a hike, just so, just just, just a classic hike. But, um,
Collin W: Bill:classic hike.
Bill W: Collin:Yeah, we got there, heard good things about the High Line and uh, Grinnell Glacier Overlook, so...
Collin W: Bill:Yeah, the hike.
Bill W: Collin:the hike. It's, it's, it's a hike. It's a hike.
Collin W: Bill:But I'm pretty sure you'd mention that that's the one that most people come to
Bill W: Collin:Yeah, all the research I did alluded to that if you're gonna do a hike in Glacier National Park that that's the one. Although it wasn't my favorite hike, but the route we had intended for was 7. 5 miles out and 7. 5 miles back. I knew it was gonna be, uh, an investment for sure.
Collin W: Bill:mile hike not too long
Bill W: Collin:Yeah, yeah,
Collin W: Bill:You knew what you were in for.
Bill W: Collin:yeah, I
Collin W: Bill:did not.
Bill W: Collin:uh huh. I had context for what that would feel like, what that would look like. Um, give the listeners a
Collin W: Bill:give, give the listeners, uh,
Bill W: Collin:little rundown of what unfolded yesterday.
Collin W: Bill:what Well, all right. So I struggled at best to, uh, summit Mount Albert in Colorado. It took me 13 hours. It's a 9.5 mile hike, about 5,000 feet of elevation gain. It was very difficult. I feel like I almost died but I made it, you know, and, uh, with that, I thought that I was able to do this hike that we had up against us, but I did, I just, I overestimated, underestimated, I guess, and it just, it took me, man, it took me for a ride, that's for sure.
Bill W: Collin:9.
Collin W: Bill:so, you know, I, uh, we hiked out there, we made pretty decent time, I think it took us about four hours. Um,
Bill W: Collin:hours. Yeah. And then
Collin W: Bill:yeah, and then, um, we were up, uh, you know, at the, I guess, what do you call that? I don't want to call it the summit. It's like a peak where you can see the glacier. Yeah, it's
Bill W: Collin:dip in a ridge. And uh, you can see Grinnell Glacier through the dip. It's
Collin W: Bill:it's a, it's a little dip in a ridge, and, uh, you can see Grinnell Glacier through the dip. Uh, it's quite a walk to get up there, and then there's even a little bit of higher... Uh, viewpoint that you can walk up to with some super steep, uh, walking, but i i i it was worth the view. Anyway, uh, my boy here is a little, he's in a little better shape than I am, so, you know, he had some things to do, and he wanted to hop out of there, and I I was pretty confident that I could do it, I I sent him off, you know, I I would've called him back if I didn't think I could've made it, you know. And let's just say I didn't have enough water, you know, I didn't, I didn't have proper, I didn't have sunscreen, you know, I had a jacket that I was too delusional to put on until way later on, and uh, man, I ran out of water, I was hopping from shade spot to shade spot.
Bill W: Collin:And, uh,
Collin W: Bill:I had a water filter with me, thankfully, and I was going to the little waterfalls and collecting drips and taking sips while I could. I had my dog with me. Uh, wow. Yeah, why don't we get into that a little bit. I'll backtrack here, and then we'll get back on track. So, early on in the hike, uh, we were, we were walking and I had my dog on the leash. She's a little pup, German Shepherd, quite a lot of energy, you know. So, uh, needless to say, she's yanking me all over the place, every animal she sees. And, uh, she saw this chipmunk go over the edge of a pretty steep cliff, and yanked me over the edge with her.
Bill W: Collin:the edge with it. Face first.
Collin W: Bill:And my dumbass was not wearing a shirt, so I got tons of road rash all over me. A little, a little bit of this can be seen on the camera. Um,
Bill W: Collin:wearing a shirt. So I got tons of roadblocks. I
Collin W: Bill:pretty wicked. I got a little bit on my chest and my arms got some rash on it. It's pretty rough, but uh, you know what? We got right up and I said, Alright, let's keep hiking, you know? And uh, yeah bro, it was just, it was intense. So I was already in a little bit of pain, you know, but we kept truckin And we got to where we were going, we saw the, the glacier, which I had never seen a glacier before, it was absolutely beautiful, worth, worth the hike. Um, but yeah, like I said, getting back on track, you had gotten ahead of me, and I was by myself pretty much the whole 7. 5 miles
Bill W: Collin:7. 5
Collin W: Bill:200 yards ahead. I'll just keep
Bill W: Collin:miles back. We had and everything.
Collin W: Bill:we had. We had briefly discussed about how I was going to pull ahead. And as I progressively got closer and started to notice how vigorous the hike was,
Bill W: Collin:it just wound up Vigorous, the hike was in comparison to on the way out, even for me, yeah, there's a long,
Collin W: Bill:Well, I didn't realize that the hike there were going down, you know, the hike back is mostly uphill. Yep. So that was probably, yeah, that
Bill W: Collin:first climb was really kicking my ass and then I started to think about where you... Maybe at and having less water, having less food, having no sunscreen at all. And recognizing the difference in sun position and how pretty much that whole hike back, you're exposed to the sun besides catching a little bit of shade from the trees here and there. So I started to question my decision to leave you behind. And, and I was like, damn, this is just a reflection of how much I, my, uh, tendency is to, to rush through things instead of, you know, appreciating. The views slowing down, enjoying the hike. I just, I was a man on a mission ready to get out. I think I just wanted to relax and I feel like sometimes if I just, you know, fucking white knuckle things that it's easier to just, yeah,
Collin W: Bill:know, fuckin
Bill W: Collin:yeah. And then I get back and I, you know, continuing to think about you and how. You know, how much it took for me to, to finish that hike, and, and I was fine, it wasn't anything insane, Richter level 9000 or anything like that, but... I'm obviously not
Collin W: Bill:So I get back, and basically I decided, I'll wait an hour, or an hour and a half, because I
Bill W: Collin:Yeah. And then so I get back and basically I decided I'll wait an hour or an hour and a half for you to get back. So I wanted to celebrate with you crossing the finish line.
Collin W: Bill:a high five, you know, like,
Bill W: Collin:a serious effort. Yeah. And, and we, you know, started the journey together. I wanted to end it together and that was more important. to me than getting back into town to do whatever I was going to do. That stuff could have waited and we shared an awesome experience together. We, we chose to embark on a grand journey and, and I wanted to, you know, ring it all in with you. So one and a half hours goes by. I keep like looking, I walk up to the path, I'm chilling there. I'm asking people if they've seen you, a guy with the dog, cause you're the only guy with a dog out there. Cause there's no dogs allowed. And, you know, two hours passes and I'm like, what the fuck? And I actually walked down the path a little bit. I'm looking, I don't see you anywhere in sight. And you could see pretty far down the line. And of course you could have been behind a tree or something, continue to talk to people, blah, blah, blah. Um, two and a half hours goes by. I'm like, Oh, I'm going to talk to someone because. You know, I just, this is just a little bit fishy to me that he's not back, because it, we had left, uh, Grinnell Glacier Overlook at 2 p. m., and at that point, it's 7. 30, so, you know,
Collin W: Bill:2pm. And at a lot of
Bill W: Collin:yeah, two hours after I got back, and I knew you were traveling at a slower pace, but, even with a slower pace, I was...
Collin W: Bill:Concerned about how long I
Bill W: Collin:was concerning that you were not back yet and I knew you had a, you know, you had your dog with you and you had less water and food and, and less sunscreen and stuff like that. And my mind started to go down the rabbit hole of potential, you know, problems
Collin W: Bill:And also having seen my dog yank me over the cliff already.
Bill W: Collin:Yeah. So then, and yeah, there's just certain parts where if you, if you take three wrong steps to the right, you're going off a
Collin W: Bill:Yeah, so, there's like, different, like, levels to hiking, I feel like. And like, we're totally gonna exclude climbing, because like, there's hikes that involve climbing. But, there's hikes that are steep, you know, there's hikes that are flat, there's hikes that are long, you know. But, there's also hikes that are dangerous. And, a lot of that hike... On the right hand side on the way back, or on the left hand side on the way there. It's a steep, steep, whoopsie step. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you slip, and you fall in that direction,
Bill W: Collin:you're dead.
Collin W: Bill:Yeah, I mean, it's dangerous. You could see I was able to kind of stop myself, but If, if I were to have somersaulted, and like, lost control, That could have gotten really dangerous.
Bill W: Collin:I was, I was getting real stressed out after the 2. 5 hour mark hit. And I utilize my tools and techniques of regular and just continuing to breathe. And of course I have no evidence that anything went wrong. So it's not really worth putting myself in the position, but I was like, I felt somewhat responsible for, you know, your
Collin W: Bill:Potentially having had something happen to me.
Bill W: Collin:of course, and I just, I was just reflecting on how poor of a decision it was to charge ahead based off of me just being impatient, essentially. Because we could have, we could have kept, you know, kept the morale high together
Collin W: Bill:My pace there was kind of okay. But um, I could tell
Bill W: Collin:way there.
Collin W: Bill:Nah, you could've still went ahead of me, you know? But, um, I was able to just keep it going, you know? And on the way back, I just couldn't. I had to take so many breaks and stuff, and I was just, it, it got to the point, we talked about this last night, where I was just looking at the ground, and I was like, one step at a time. Because if I look up, and I see the whole thing, I'm just like, fuck. Like, I can't do it, you know? Like, I don't know what to do, like. And, uh, it's overwhelming, you know? Especially with no service and stuff. I had gotten to one point. You asked me last night as well, like, when did I realize shit was wrong. And I had this one spot, sometimes you get service in like the wide open mountains. And I just typed into my GPS, Logan Pass Visitor Center, and put in walking. And it said, excuse me, an hour and 41 minutes and 4. 9 miles. And with the gas I had in my tank, I knew that that was going to be a very, very difficult walk. Because I couldn't, you know, like you said, an hour and forty one minutes at a good pace. I couldn't make good pace. I hadn't, you know, man. The wheels were falling off, you know, like.
Bill W: Collin:the point, uh, one of this as well.
Collin W: Bill:Yeah, so, my, right. So, you know, it was, uh, it was a little bit hard on my legs, man. I just wound up, I couldn't, I couldn't do it. It got to the point, uh, when I ran out of water, I told you about this as well, I was just sitting in this shade spot just waiting for somebody to walk by with water, you know? And I felt like I'd been there an hour. It was probably more like a half hour. But I was there for quite a while, just waitin And, uh, finally somebody walked by. And I was like, just please help me. Like, I need water, you know? Thankfully, yeah, I had, uh, I had that guy had given me water. And then, even at the finish line, when you had met me, that guy was just like, Oh my god, he gave me his bottle of water. He was drinkin it, like, Dude, take it. Like, you know? And, uh, but yeah, thankfully there's a lot of nice people out here, and I'm sure if I had asked somebody that was walking by just to please help me, they would've, you know, but I have too much, like, pride to, to do that, you know, like.
Bill W: Collin:So as time went on, my confidence was dwindling that you were gonna return. And I just started to think of all the shows I've ever watched about people fucking, you know, I shouldn't be alive, getting lost in the wild things happening, blah, blah, blah. And um, so I crossed the finish line, eight hours total. You crossed it at about
Collin W: Bill:Twelve, yeah. We started at, like, I think, what, 7. 30, 8 o'clock?
Bill W: Collin:Mm-hmm.
Collin W: Bill:And then, uh, yeah. I crossed the finish line around, what, eight? So that's like, twelve and a half.
Bill W: Collin:So
Collin W: Bill:Yikes.
Bill W: Collin:that's Yeah.
Collin W: Bill:yeah, it really was rough. But um,
Bill W: Collin:So this has been cool though, man. I mean, so, you know, as one does, when you travel, you connect with all sorts of people and you, you just, you just, it's so unpredictable and so novel and, and, you know, every day is a different journey. Everything is uncertain and
Collin W: Bill:never know what's coming up.
Bill W: Collin:Yeah, yeah. And I thought just to reflect on one thing and we were talking about this before we met two nights ago, you know, instantly hit it off. We're both doing the same exact thing. Take an extended road adventure across the country and with the intention of self discovery. Yeah, internal exploration, external exploration, see what life's all about. And see the world and see the most beautiful places on the planet and see the wildlife, camp, uh, live a nomadic lifestyle for a certain amount of time. And we connect, we have a good time, we do that hike the next day and it's cool because... Most of the time, you know, and this is just deeply instilled in us as young people and, um, something that's well understood in our culture, like, don't talk to strangers, you know? Or, or, you know, keep your guard
Collin W: Bill:It's definitely come more towards that. As opposed to back in the day, you know? Like, it just doesn't happen anymore. My sister's, uh, got two kids, they're thirteen and ten. And their whole childhood, she hasn't been able to get, like, any of their friends to come on vacation with them because the parents are too uncomfortable. I remember when I was a kid, I was going skiing with people, and like, you know, my parents weren't there, you know, they just sent me off, you know, and then other people, same thing. My friends would come with us on trips, and that's the, the trust level in human beings has definitely dwindled in the past 20, 30 years.
Bill W: Collin:Yeah, yeah, it was, uh, it's been cool to meet someone where that trust level has been established quite quickly. And to the point of, you know, I'm not really asking myself any questions of, is this a safe idea when we decide to, you know, stay in this Airbnb together, you know, us only having met. Two nights ago, so I it's just a cool blessing how the universe brought us together And that we've been able to connect on various levels and and share awesome adventures
Collin W: Bill:can say it's definitely because of the experience that we're going through. Because of the hike, because of camping together, because we're doing the same thing. Just imagine we were in your hometown and we met in a bar one night and just got whacked. And the next day we're like, bro, let's go on a trip. That would, like, never happen, you know? But it's because of the setting, and it's because of the experience that we're going through together that was like, damn, this guy's kinda cool, you know? Like,
Bill W: Collin:yeah, yeah,
Collin W: Bill:There's a lot of things that happened that, uh, you know, showed that you're a good guy, or I'm a good guy,
Bill W: Collin:Right. There's little moments where it is continued to solidify the trust between us. And of course we just met each other and we, you know, we don't know each other at all essentially, but there is a mutual understanding of, you know, where we're at as humans and, and, you know, us being in integrity as individuals and just, there's been no red flags of any sort, which is cool. And, um, So, on to the next thing. Let's, let's talk about, a little bit about who you are, and, and why you chose to embark on this journey, and, and what you do creatively.
Collin W: Bill:You know, where we're at as humans, and, and, you know, us being in Pretty much anywhere, quick self promo, uh, RainyDays. org is my website, RainyDays on Instagram, RainyDay on Twitter. I have a bunch of other stuff, but you can find that all on my website. Um. I make clothes, but I do a lot of other things. I want that business to just be everything for the rest of my life. I want everything that I create to fall under the Rainy Days brand. You know, I'll create like, branches, different businesses or whatever, but it'll all fall under that. I don't know, I just, uh, Many moons ago, that name just kind of fell into my lap. I was never looking for it. It never, you know, came to me. It was just... I can't explain it, it just fell into my lap. So, I started running with it when I got it. And, uh,
Bill W: Collin:running with
Collin W: Bill:Yeah, I, uh, I started tweeting love quotes on Twitter. That was the first place where I got the name Rainy Day, was on Twitter. And, uh, I was in love with this girl for many years, told you about it. And, uh, I started tweeting love quotes. We broke up and I just continued tweeting the quotes because the page had gotten like 15, 000 followers just from tweeting these quotes. So... Even to this day, I have my tweets, uh, scheduled now. Spoiler. So I don't like, go on Twitter and tweet every day, it just kinda does it. Um, but the page does great, and it's just another way for my brand to get promotion. Um, that's something that I have to say about any business owner out there, is even if you're only gaining like 1% Out of something you're putting into promoting your brand, do it. And do it in every other category. Those little small percentages add up over time. And that's how you get, you know, opportunities. Anyway, long story short, back onto the track of who I am and what I'm doing on this road trip. Uh, I got kinda sponsored by this other... Brand called Gothboy Click. Some people might know that from the guy, Lil Peep. Lil
Bill W: Collin:Lil Peepy.
Collin W: Bill:Peepy
Bill W: Collin:Peepy. Lil Peepus.
Collin W: Bill:But uh, they're just helping me get my clothing brand off the ground. I Gave them something and they're helping me back. So anyway, uh I decided to take a road trip to Los Angeles and go, you know, do that brand deal in person and make sure everything went down smoothly. There's a lot of money involved and stuff, so I just, uh, I took it upon myself to go meet that guy. And, uh, went out there. It was, it was awesome. I made a whole road trip across the country to, like, meet friends that I knew on the internet, and go to state parks and visit, like, landmarks of America and... Just see what this country has to offer, you know, and I've always been interested in traveling I've literally like watched youtube videos for hours about other people that do this kind of stuff and You know exploring state parks and making sure I know what which ones I want to visit and what hikes I want to do And you know what things I want to see so I had things pretty mapped out, but I'll tell you what, uh Road trips like this never go according to plan, so just be ready for shit to go left. Damn, bro, this cut is so bad. I got flies coming on me, you know. Hey, now we got a train going by. Yo, look, listen, we're in Montana, people. Montana. We just had the freaking neighbor over here coming out showing us ARs, big shotguns with extended mags, and you'll see it in the, in the... In the, what is it, what do you call that? The display picture. The cover photo, yeah. It, you'll see it.
Bill W: Collin:the
Collin W: Bill:But um, yeah, so. Anyway, that's kind of what's brought me across the country. I did the southern route to Los Angeles. And I'm doing the northern route on the way back so I can see as much as possible. And uh, yeah man, it's been an amazing experience. And I gotta tell you what,
Bill W: Collin:stuff
Collin W: Bill:most of the coolest stuff that's happened to me has been things I didn't plan for. You know, like, one thing that I didn't plan at all on this whole trip, or like, think about, was like, the experiences that I'm gonna have meeting other people. You know, like, that was never even in my, in my thoughts at all.
Bill W: Collin:that's actually far more profound than what you're just seeing on a, in terms of the new locations and the destinations that you travel to. It's really what I'm finding and, and just what I've found throughout life. It's the people that create the actual meaning, uh, within, you know, whatever you're going through at whatever time and
Collin W: Bill:right.
Bill W: Collin:yeah, the connections you make and, and, and those connections that you get to share and experience with other people.
Collin W: Bill:Yeah, that's the real spinoff, you know, cause like, you never really know what's gonna come of meeting another person, you know? Like when I seen you pull into the campsite, I'm like, what's so funny is I was at that campsite that we met at the night before and it was packed, you know? So I saw everyone leaving cause it was Sunday and you know, the week starts, you know, people gotta go to work. So it was just me, Rob, and then you pulled up. And, uh, I just wanted as little people to be there as possible, and I'm like, There's another guy, you know, he's parkin near me, goddamn! And then I go to like, you know, get my dog, or whatever, And you're like, hey man, what's your name, you know? And we struck conversation, and immediately cool. You know, like I knew, like, from what you were talkin how you were talkin and your energy, I was like, alright, this guy's cool, I'll hang out with him tonight, you know? Besides that, um, I don't know if I could say...
Bill W: Collin:were talking,
Collin W: Bill:I don't know if I could say your impression of you. But immediately I was like, this is so cool. This guy's doing what I'm doing, you know, like that was like I've met other people that are doing like kind of similar stuff But they're more like living in their car and they kind of have to you know, like me and you are kind of like optionally Doing this is like an experience, you know? Um, so, meeting another person that's doing it on purpose like me, and doing the same thing in a kind of small car, and going to state parks, and just, you really have the same energy as me with that aspect at least. And, uh, I just thought that was super cool, and I couldn't wait to hear what you had to say about your trip so far, and what you were gonna do, and...
Bill W: Collin:and what you and,
Collin W: Bill:You know, hearing that you knew a little bit about Glacier, I was excited because I really had been in Montana just kind of waiting to meet somebody that would show me the cool shit, you know, and
Bill W: Collin:uh, thankfully
Collin W: Bill:thankfully you came by and showed me that and yeah, so I was just really happy to have met somebody that I could relate with and You know hike with and stuff. I was super stoked to go on that hike which is
Bill W: Collin:Which is, most of the way
Collin W: Bill:Most of the way there, I was having a blast. By the time I was going back, I was like, Goddamn, like, you know, This fucking hike is killing me. You know, but, hell, It was an experience I'll never forget, And probably never repeat. But, you know, Makes me realize that, uh, A lot of the things that I always dreamed of wanting to do, like, trying to go summit Everest, or even go to base camp. Like, God, I don't even know if I could do that. I don't think I can. I mean, I'd need to really get myself into better shape, but, yeah, it has a lot to do with... My health conditions. I don't know. I have surgeries that I can get done to help me fix stuff. Um, I should have done it when I was younger, when I had insurance under my dad's stuff. You know, he had good insurance. But I was ignorant, you know. You learn things in life by making mistakes. had somebody,
Bill W: Collin:by making
Collin W: Bill:I had somebody say something really great to me one time and they said, Mistakes are not a mistake unless you don't learn from it. If you learn from it, it's a lesson.
Bill W: Collin:you
Collin W: Bill:When you make a mistake is when you don't learn from what you're going through, you know? So, there's a lot of people out there that, you know, something bad happens to them and they're just like, Life sucks, you know? When something bad happens to me, I'm like, Why did this happen to me? What is this trying to teach me, you know? How is this bettering me? Like, you know, what am I supposed to learn from this? And, uh, I truly, truly, truly believe everything in life happens for a reason, even the worst of things, you know? And, uh, there's a lot of stuff that you have no control over, or very little control, and you can't let things like that throw you out of control, you know?
Bill W: Collin:over, and you can't let things like that throw you out of control. Our own growth and, and, and becoming stronger, more resilient, uh, intelligent, more clearly seeing people. Um, and yeah, absolutely. I agree with that. It's, it's, uh, it's only a mistake if you, if you don't move forward with it and, and turn it into something to expand your awareness. Um, and we all have that choice to, to see the things that show up. On a day to day basis and, and utilize that information for the greater good of ourselves, which translates automatically to the greater good of the world. And yeah, that's, that's how we can be the architects of our lives and, and continue to up level, uh, instead of turning away and letting the same cycles perpetuate and, um, all these different things that the majority. Relatively speaking are going through is is not learning from what's occurring for them and and really just asking why why is this showing up, uh, or yeah, I mean, specifically for me, it's like so much insecurity coming up on the trip, and I can either be like, Oh, this is this is who I am, or Ask myself the question, why is this showing up and, and, and get curious and allow myself to, uh, from a space of nonjudgment, look at it and then use it to apply to my life to become more free, to become more sovereign because things have happened in my life to where certain things will trigger my insecurity and. Um, that there's just an opportunity there to, to see it for what it is, um, and not identify with it. And then, um, see and derive the gold from, from the experience. And it's interesting as you are on the path of cultivating your awareness and, and that's just automatically what happens when you're on a trip like this, because you're throwing, you're hurling yourself into a situation that you're completely unfamiliar with and you have ideas and preconceived notions of. How it's going to go. And man, it's, it's amazing how, how much comes through and how much you get tested and through that, how much opportunity is there? Because what I've noticed being on the road is that. And back to being, you know, this pattern of being, uh, impatient and I'll, I'll be like, if something doesn't work out right away, which nothing really, most things don't while you're on the road, a part of me comes out where I become bitter and I react and I become sympathetically activated and it's just what I realized was when I was a kid, I pretty much got it. I was given everything I wanted, you know, like it's always soothed in a certain way by the environment I was in and and now on the road,
Collin W: Bill:coming up. And I get to see that and be like, oh, I get to recalibrate
Bill W: Collin:and I recognize that that's like my spoiled inner, my spoiled child inner brat archetype coming up and I get to see that and be like, Oh, I get to recalibrate myself towards someone that just breeze through it accepts reality. Every time you argue with reality, you lose. And then, It's as simple as, it's not as simple.
Collin W: Bill:I love that. Every time you argue with reality, you lose. I'm holding
Bill W: Collin:Byron Katie. And it's absolutely true, and it's just a matter of, like you said before, there's things you can't control and you either resist it and you bump heads with it, or you accept it for what it is and, and do what you and what you can choose is your attitude. You can choose your attitude about a particular
Collin W: Bill:situation. That's another thing that I feel like people struggle to realize is. You are the only pilot to your body, to your brain, to the things you do, you know? You can't control what goes on around you, but you can control you. You can control the way you think. You can control the way you act, you know? So, I don't understand, like, when people act like they can't control themselves. You know? Some people do have actual illnesses. That's, I'm not talking about that. You know? But I am talking about anybody that has, you know, the right amount of chromosomes, and you know, isn't on a bunch of medications for being ill, or whatever. You know? Um. I just don't understand, you know? I know too many people that are just... Embarrassing sometimes, you
Bill W: Collin:Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's just some people are really caught up in a web of their own bullshit and, and they're unable to look in the mirror and actually be honest with themselves. And I can say that because I've been that person and I continue to be that
Collin W: Bill:I've
Bill W: Collin:some situations.
Collin W: Bill:I agree.
Bill W: Collin:easier to be the victim of your circumstance than to do the hard work of addressing something, uh, head on. And. Yeah, it's just, it's, it's very hard, and every situation's different, every person's upbringing is, upbringing is different, and I understand when people remain in that position because they've been living that way for, you know, decades or whatever, and they're surrounded by people that have been living that way for decades, so, yeah, I mean, yeah. Your environment, yeah, you will get shit, especially the people, the people you surround
Collin W: Bill:Yeah, you really get shit. Especially the people, the people you surround yourself with. Lower end communities and stuff like that. Obviously people being surrounded by other people like that, that's what continues to fuel it, you know? Same thing with like the homeless stuff and, and like, just like, I don't know. I'm, I'm gonna be totally blunt here, like, you know, there's a lot of places in the world where it's just like mostly white people. Or mostly black people, or mostly Spanish people, you know? And that's nothing to do with, like, being racist. It's true. You know? And then there's, like, always trash in every culture. There's white trailer trash, you know? And there's, like, bad black communities. There's bad, uh, Spanish communities. Where, like, you know, crime is high, or this is high, or that's high, you know? And it's different in every spectrum. It's not always the same, you know? But, um... That goes to show and hold true that you are what you're around, you know, and it's hard to escape that. I know plenty of people that grew up in bad communities that broke out of it, you know, and the way that they broke out of it was by getting away from that culture, from that community, you know,
Bill W: Collin:that this trip can do. Because
Collin W: Bill:That's like something that this trip can do, you know, because you're not influenced by anything else. You're, it's just you. You know? So like, for example, like back home, I mean, here I am drinking a bottle of wine right now, at whatever time in the morning. Yeah,
Bill W: Collin:right
Collin W: Bill:it's early, but uh,
Bill W: Collin:time. It's early,
Collin W: Bill:Rome, when in Rome.
Bill W: Collin:in Rome. When in Rome. And then we
Collin W: Bill:But then we had people coming out, showing guns all the
Bill W: Collin:all the
Collin W: Bill:It was insane.
Bill W: Collin:insane. But
Collin W: Bill:But anyway, um, long story short, Like, I had people at home that would kind of just influence me to not do the right thing all the time. I'd be going out to the bar and partying and stuff, and just, you know, I could do better things with my time, you know? And I realized when I stopped drinking for a long period of time how many people really weren't my friend, you know? And, uh, that kind of happened from the relationship, because I just hung out with my girlfriend all the time. And then when we broke up, I didn't have any friends really anymore. And I was really sad, you know? So, took me a long time, but I really found myself through that. Yeah, go ahead.
Bill W: Collin:Oh man. What a beautiful fire walk. Absolutely. You know, I, I cannot relate. I've been through breakups being with someone for 10 years and, and moving on from that, it's a whole nother
Collin W: Bill:Yeah. I mean, it was on and off and stuff, but yeah, since high school, you know? It was just, uh, it was just really hard to, to deal with it, you know? But, um, My whole point in saying that is, uh,
Bill W: Collin:it
Collin W: Bill:it really helped me find myself not having all those friends around to influence me, especially in a bad time, to do things that I shouldn't be doing. And, uh, instead, I did things that I always wanted to do, which was just go on a road trip. And I, I wouldn't do things like I'm doing now, but I'd go like upstate New York, or Pennsylvania, or Vermont, and just go on a hike and sleep in my car for a few days, and then I'd... Come back to normal life, but that was to cleanse myself. I felt good just going out into nature and, you know, smoking a little weed or whatever and just not thinking about all those crazy things going on back home. New York City is just, if we didn't mention yet, I'm from New York. And it's just such a fast paced lifestyle all the time, and, uh, I don't know how, like, we don't have, like, a higher heart attack rate in the state of New York because I feel like everyone's blood pressure is just through the roof all the time, you know? Driving anywhere, going to any store, like, you know, anything. It's just all difficult because there's so many people and everything's just so fast, you know? And, uh... You know, just escaping that just helped me so much. And getting away from all the people at home that were not influencing me to do good
Bill W: Collin:You hear that, y'all? Do something different, get something
Collin W: Bill:Yeah, and like, don't, like, don't wait for people. That's another thing, like, I tried so many times to get my friends to come with me, or convince somebody else, like, how cool this would be, or whatever. And I realized I was, I had even brought my, my friend Paul on one trip, and uh, it was okay, but he wasn't, you know,
Bill W: Collin:wasn't
Collin W: Bill:really adapt. Yeah, you have to really adapt, and he couldn't do that, you know. So. That's another thing that people don't realize. I have a lot of people back home saying, Hey, I wish I could be there. You know, all this stuff. You don't see the other side of, you know, how difficult it is to do literally everything. It does. But you know what? The reward is what I'm here for. The views, meeting people, seeing different cultures and places, and experiencing the country that I live in. Just. Learning every single day. I feel like I've been learning more every day on this trip than I ever have in school anywhere. Like,
Bill W: Collin:direct experience is the, like, the source for, for wisdom.
Collin W: Bill:I feel like I just jumped in the wolf pit, you know? I just feel like every day I'm fighting for my life in one way or another. And, uh, it's just... It's such a great experience all together, you know, I've had a lot of times where I was screaming and cursing and crying and But I've had so many times where I was just smiling ear to ear, crying tears of joy, you know So you get both sides of the spectrum and you have you get so much out of something like this You just can't put it into words, you know, if you're thinking about it do
Bill W: Collin:you
Collin W: Bill:for real
Bill W: Collin:Yeah, it's, uh, interesting. I
Collin W: Bill:Got me some goosebumps. Deadass,
Bill W: Collin:That's, that's some, that's some real live integration of your experience right there. Understanding how it is that it's serving you and, and really what it boils down to for me is just... Going after novelty and, and, and really the, what you're going to be experiencing for the most part when you go on a road trip is, is novelty on a daily basis. Um, and the pattern interrupt of what it is that your normal routine is and, and therefore there's just so much that's reflected back to you within yourself as you, um, journey along on whatever journey it is. And. You know it's easy for us to say, I mean I'll speak for myself personally, to be like, okay, the idea of a three month road trip, that's something that I can do. When, in reality, there's been years of working up to the point where I'm the type of person that can take that type of leap, you
Collin W: Bill:I agree.
Bill W: Collin:Anyone can do it, except I've done this to many degrees in different forms and shapes for many years. Has that been the case for you?
Collin W: Bill:I've done like, like I said, smaller road trips, you know, and that's kind of what helped me build up to this. Um, I gotta say, coming on this road trip, I've learned so much. I'll never road trip like this again. I'm gonna road trip, like, across the country again, but I will leave so much stuff at home. Like, I have so much unnecessary stuff, I can't even explain it. Like, mostly clothes. I'm gonna, I'm gonna give a quick tip to anybody out there that's thinking about road tripping. And, uh, you know, sometimes showering is difficult. And, uh, the best thing you can do is invest in bathing suits. Because you can shower with them, you can swim with them, if it rains it doesn't matter. They're versatile, alright, you know? And, uh, it's like, if you have to do laundry all the time and that's a problem, at least your trunks are clean. You know, and then just bring shirts and stuff, or a hoodie, or whatever. Something that you won't have to clean as often. Um, I like rain jackets. They don't, like, stink if you sweat, you know. And, uh, yeah. So it's just like, there's a lot of things you have to look into before you send it. You know, just sending it raw, dawg, is dangerous, you know. You'll find yourself in the wolf pit about the first stop you get.
Bill W: Collin:you get.
Collin W: Bill:Yeah. And, you know, just, uh, it's, it's all about doing your research, because I've had plenty of times where I slept in a car and it was absolutely miserable, you know? So I'm glad that I've finally figured out...
Bill W: Collin:so many nights in your car. You took out the passenger seat, so it just makes more sense. I never considered that as an option for me, which I could have done. That would have created more space, and then I could have set up a bed if I really wanted,
Collin W: Bill:I was already doing so much work on my car and all the tools were out, and my dad mentioned it. He was like, what do you need that for? And I was like, you're right. I just took it out and left it in his basement.
Bill W: Collin:So would you say that you were in a rut when you left for your trip?
Collin W: Bill:Yeah, um You know, there's a lot of stuff I didn't even tell you about some stuff, you know, I actually had a felony case I'm not gonna get into what for what it was or whatever, but I Got In a little bit of trouble and whatever and wound up, thankfully, getting out of that. I still have no criminal record. I've had so many run ins with the law over the years. New York is not a place to, to fuck around. You will get caught up, you know? So, you know, we've talked about it a little bit. We're not gonna get into it, but, you know, we've had a little bit of a party hardy times in our life, you know? And, uh, yeah, I got, I got myself into some trouble. But anyway, long story short, between that, and my girlfriend problem, and uh, my dad, he's, man it's hard, I don't want to get into too much stuff, but yeah, I was having trouble at home, and uh, my girlfriend is gone, and uh, I was living with a buddy of mine, then I had a falling out with him, cause he wasn't paying his part of the bills. And, uh, it just, you know, it all kind of happened at once. And, I managed to get some money from that, uh, transaction with the goth boy click guy. And
Bill W: Collin:guy. And it kind of
Collin W: Bill:kind of just all happened to where I was able to afford to do it. And it was just, it fucking felt so right to just get out of there. And, yeah, I think I was getting into it. Either this morning or last night, about, like, the happiest moment I had on the road. And it really was, like, my first stop when I was in West Virginia. Actually, it was my second night, because my first night was a little... I, I just, I went to a spot that was supposed to be dispersed camping, and it wasn't there, and wound up being on the road, you know. But then, I found a spot, or whatever, the next night, and I was just sittin there, in the woods, watchin a little movie, drinkin a little Cap'n Morgan, smokin a dube. And, uh, I just had this crazy, like, happiness feeling of just finally having gotten up and gone, you know. And, uh.
Bill W: Collin:I had a similar feeling on the, after the first night I had stated a k o A and. Nebraska. And I woke up and I watched, I mean, the sun was coming up. I was on my way out and it's just, I was just electrified.
Collin W: Bill:Heck
Bill W: Collin:I was just feeling, I'm like, damn, I'm doing it. That was only two steps into, you know, a thousand step process. Um, it was just so exciting and exhilarating to feel that. And, and I'll ask, well, is there any more there on you? I know you were going somewhere with that. So I'll let you finish that up. I have a question after that, though.
Collin W: Bill:I mean, it was just... It was crazy to feel that because I had worked so hard to make it happen. My car was also messed up. I had to replace the radiator. The AC didn't work, so I replaced the AC compressor. Then my AC still didn't work, so I had to replace my AC condenser. And finally fixed my AC. And my battery was bad, so I had to replace my battery. And because my battery was bad, my alternator was going bad. So I had to replace them both. And I didn't have enough money for all that. You know that's thousands of dollars. So I, uh, axed my mechanic to give me a few tips. And my dad has a bunch of tools. And, uh, he ordered the parts for me. Cause he get the, you know, mechanic shops get deals and stuff. And, uh, Some of the work I did in the mechanics, uh, like right in the shop, pretty much, you know, cause he's like a family friend of ours and I wasn't in the shop, but I was right outside, you know, so I was able to kind of ask him a question or two or whatever
Bill W: Collin:Mm-hmm.
Collin W: Bill:but I did all the work, you know, and it took me about two weeks to get all that stuff done. Because I'm not a mechanic, so most of the jobs took me two or three days, you know, of problem solving. But it taught me so much, and it was up until I tried to summit, or until I summited Mt. Albert, and then this hike that we just did, uh, it was the hardest thing I'd ever done in my life. Working on your car is no joke. If you think you have patience, if you think you can do anything, why don't you, uh, go... Take your car apart and put it back together.
Bill W: Collin:it back together.
Collin W: Bill:Then let me know how patient you are because I have never in my life Yelled and screamed like that at nothing, you know, like talk
Bill W: Collin:Oh, it ain't nothing, dude. I mean, when you're chasing your tail and working through a process like that and not chasing your tail, that's just what comes with that. I mean, that's, that's, that's a true test of, you know,
Collin W: Bill:And that was
Bill W: Collin:Your
Collin W: Bill:raw learning, you know, like I had no experience in that field whatsoever. Even though I've had that other car, um, I, I did, I got that, all that stuff done in a shop. You know? Or like, I was in a car club, I had friends do stuff for me, but I didn't, I couldn't change my wiper blades if you asked me. You know? So to dive in that deep with like zero experience, I had a lot of people doubting me. You know? Car friends. Locals, even like the other guy that worked at the mechanic shop, you know, and, uh, yeah, I mean, I remember working back, uh, near my dad's, he's got a parking lot there, and like, there would be, like, some of his friends walking by, and they'd be laughing at me, like, Ain't no way you gonna get that shit done, you know, and, uh, guess what, here I am, like, 3, 000 miles away, and, uh, I got 3, 000 miles to go, you know, so.
Bill W: Collin:miles to go. make it happen to create it for yourself. You being in a position where you were at sort of a low point in a rut and, and going out into the world. With the effort of reconnecting with yourself and, and, and finding a new groove within your experience, what does it mean about you as a person that you decided to do this and that you've, you have, you've seen it through and you continue to see it through. Everything from the car to this whole journey you've been on, on the road, uh, and the hike we had yesterday, your dogs, you know, there's, there, we haven't even scratched the surface in terms of the details. Reflecting on...
Collin W: Bill:things I haven't even told you
Bill W: Collin:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I want, I want to bring awareness and acknowledge, you know, and, and hearing your own words, what that means about you as an individual, that you have continued to charge ahead through it all and continue to derive the lessons and, and cultivate yourself.
Collin W: Bill:Well, I tell you what, uh, never in a million years would I have considered myself a man before this trip. And, uh, I still wouldn't, but I'm chippin away at it, you know.
Bill W: Collin:Why do you say you're not a man?
Collin W: Bill:Um, because I still, you know, well, let's be honest, there's plenty of grown men that are very irresponsible and, uh, still go off the rails and do dumb shit, so, I'd say I am a man in that aspect, but in my mind, you know, uh, a real man is somebody that is fully self sustainable and doesn't need help from anybody and can do everything for themselves, and, uh, I still can't do that, you
Bill W: Collin:I still can't do that.
Collin W: Bill:Well, yeah, that's true. But, um, you know.
Bill W: Collin:Let me just say
Collin W: Bill:I just, I just asked you earlier to show me how to use the coffee machine. You know, like, and like, you know, there's little things like
Bill W: Collin:my opinion, that has nothing to do with being a man. You're someone that's seeking freedom, that's showing up on a daily basis and, and someone who exudes love and, and, and wants to connect with others and, and just be someone that is a part of what positively influences the world and moves us in the right direction. That's what I see in you. So that's what I would define as a man. Someone that's in integrity and is honest. And I've only known you for, I don't know, 50 hours. And these are qualities I see in you. So, yeah,
Collin W: Bill:you. I mean, you know, then like, little things like me getting yanked off the cliff, and persevering through my hike, no matter what. That's a little, that's a little part of being a man, you know? But that has a lot to say about other things, not just particularly a hike, you know? That shows that like, You know, you'll persevere no matter what. You're going to keep fucking going. I can't tell you how many times I kept saying to myself, I can't do it. You know, like, I'm not, I'm not going to be able to do it. But I kept getting up, and I kept just finding ways to keep pushing myself. Even though as I was pushing myself, I'm saying I can't, I can't, like, you know? But I kept going. And, uh...
Bill W: Collin:love that. That's that's, that's the main lesson that keeps coming through is I just tune into myself and and everything that that constitutes specifically on the hikes, having done 40 miles of hiking in the past three days or whatever is, You know, I'll, I'll ask myself questions before I go on the hike. Sometimes I'll microdose, but I'll, I'll propose myself a question. Now let's plant the seed. And I have so much time to just get still through the, you know, repetitive, perpetual motion of hiking, being in nature and, and everything that comes with that. And what keeps coming through is just to keep going and not just on the hike, of course, on the hike, when things get hard, keep connecting. Keep, keep showing up when you don't want to, um, uh, keep putting yourself in situations that you're uncomfortable with, with, with the intention of growing, keep creating art, keep podcasting. Cause as I've been podcasting, you know, you just listen to yourself. And I'm just like, that was some dumb shit. I just said, or I didn't, I didn't mean to say it that way or that wasn't even accurate. And, um, and, and, and what I recognize through that also is that I identify with what I create and, and therefore. Um, I don't know, that's something that's varying, and of course it's, it's, it's something that I'm relatively new at, so there's no point in identifying it, uh, with it, it's just a matter of looking at it and seeing how I can improve, and, and that's where like a lot of the insecurity has been coming up, is thinking about how people will judge me for my podcast, or whatever else, or how I connect in a conversation, blah, blah, blah, and it's because I'm identifying with that,
Collin W: Bill:been coming up, is thinking about how people will judge me for my conversation, blah blah blah, and it's because I'm identifying it.
Bill W: Collin:this, like, mentality of, like, getting the subway,
Collin W: Bill:You do something weird and you're just like, but I'm never gonna see any of these people ever again, you know? So like, what does it really matter? And like, even if you're around that area for two or three days, who cares? You're gonna be leaving soon, you know? Just throw, throw it into the wind, you know? And one thing I'd like to say quickly, um, about like, anxiety and stuff like that, I like to reference it as anxiety is the lack of understanding what you're going through. The more you go through something, the more you experience it, the more you understand it, the less anxiety you'll have about it because you can judge the outcome. You can, like, feel out the situation, you know? Like, you can stop yourself from thinking that way because you know it's about to happen, you know? And, uh, going back to being the pilot of your own body, you know, you have full control. It takes a long time to get there. That's finding yourself, you know? And, uh, you can't tell anybody to do that in any particular way because everyone's different, you know? But, do whatever you have to do to find yourself, just don't hurt yourself or anyone else. And, uh, you know, that's what life's all about. And once you get there, I mean... I wouldn't say I have peace, um, but I'm close to it, you know? I wake up every day happy and grateful to be alive and have another day on this
Bill W: Collin:you wouldn't want peace all the time. Yeah. That's just something you want to experience at certain points.
Collin W: Bill:Yeah. I agree. But, you know, you never want too much of anything in life. Life is all about balance.
Bill W: Collin:want everything. You want everything. You want the full spectrum. You want the depression. You want, you want this. It means you're alive. It means if you're just. I agree with that 100%. People that are happy go luckier all the time are like, they don't realize like, you know, all
Collin W: Bill:want to
Bill W: Collin:the stuff
Collin W: Bill:yeah. You want to feel I agree with that a hundred percent. People that are happy go lucker all the time are like either faking it or they're just straight out like kind of dumb, you know? Like they don't realize like, you know, all this stuff going around them. But, uh, yeah, I mean, life is just, life is beautiful. Just, you just gotta keep living and learn. Every single day, you are forever a student of life, you know? I mean...
Bill W: Collin:just gotta keep living. Energy showing up, anxiety, depression, grief, uh, it's nature working its course through you. This is, this is natural phenomena, and that's purely all it is, is phenomena. And it's how you look at it and what meaning you give it that determines what it will do to you. So, it's a matter of getting curious about... Back to the question, why is this showing up? Why is this showing up? You know, and
Collin W: Bill:teaching
Bill W: Collin:yeah, what is this teaching me? Just in a way that's going to help you derive some sort of, you know,
Collin W: Bill:Instead of saying, why is this happening, you should say, what can I learn from
Bill W: Collin:what can I learn from this? Yeah.
Collin W: Bill:shouldn't be, woe is me. You know, you should be, you know, what is this doing for me? You know, what is this supposed to teach me? Um, I don't know if we had spoken about it on the podcast, but yeah, mistakes are not mistakes unless you don't learn from it.
Bill W: Collin:Yeah, we'll reiterate that. We'll definitely reiterate that. Um, awesome man. What's, uh, if somebody, what's the most valuable piece of advice or wisdom you could leave with the people right now before we
Collin W: Bill:Oh
Bill W: Collin:out?
Collin W: Bill:your health is your wealth. That's for sure.
Bill W: Collin:Mm
Collin W: Bill:And, you know, like I said, you're forever a student of life. You should be learning every single day. And, uh, life is as good as you make it. I put that reference when we were doing the hike. You know, the sooner you get used to shoveling that shit off your front doorstep every morning, the happier you'll be in life. And, uh, you know, as long as you just expect the shit to be there. Because, like, life is never going to be good all the time, you know? There's always going to be shit happening, there's always going to be bad things going on, you know? So, the more you just prepare yourself for stuff like that to happen, you know, just... You'll be so much happier. Cause when things happen and you're ready for it, you're just like, oh there it is, you know. You have like three good days in a row and you're like, where's the bad stuff? You know, like something pops up and you're like, there it is. You know, like, and it's not that big of a deal. But if you live life every day thinking every day is going to be great and happy, then you're going to have a harder time. So, just know that life comes with ups and downs and enjoy the ride because you're only here once.
Bill W: Collin:Well, who knows, there could be
Collin W: Bill:Right. Right.
Bill W: Collin:into that kind of stuff.
Collin W: Bill:Well, who knows, there could be some afterlife, but I haven't, I don't get into that kind of stuff. If it happens, it happens, you know. That's another thing, don't waste your time thinking about things that don't really matter. You know, if it's not teaching you anything or bettering your life, you know, don't worry so much about it, you know. If, you know, there's a lot of bullshit that goes on in this world, and don't let yourself get wrapped up in it, you know.
Bill W: Collin:that Don't
Collin W: Bill:yeah, I've had like tons and tons of like really bad things happen to me that I, you know, hopefully will have another podcast someday. Um, yeah. Bad in the moment. That's exactly right. And I don't. You know, I'm not going to say I don't regret anything in life, but most of my regrets were lessons, and I learned from them. So, I wouldn't consider them mistakes, you know? And, uh, everything in life happens for a reason. But yeah, that's, uh, that's my note. Go check me out, rannydays. org. I appreciate you so much for having me on the podcast, and hopefully we'll be able to do this again someday.
Bill W: Collin:the podcast,
Collin W: Bill:Yeah. Yeah.
Bill W: Collin:and hopefully we'll
Collin W: Bill:You know, I noticed your, uh, area code is the same as my buddy from Michigan,
Bill W: Collin:Oh. It's not a little close to it, rather like five three something.
Collin W: Bill:Yeah. But,
Bill W: Collin:no, two six two.
Collin W: Bill:two six. Yeah. Yeah. It was a 2 6 2. Oh,
Bill W: Collin:Oh, that's, uh, Ozaki County
Collin W: Bill:but um,
Bill W: Collin:Interesting.
Collin W: Bill:yeah, he grew up in the, uh, up, um, then he moved down closer to, to Detroit. But, um, Yeah, so, it's funny, like, you know, I'm assuming you're not too far away from him, at least. So, if I'm going to visit him, I'll visit you, do another one of these, you know?
Bill W: Collin:That's also totally an option.
Collin W: Bill:That's also totally an option. Yeah. Yeah, I always tell people that, and I feel the same way about Los Angeles. It's a great place to come visit, but I would never want to, like, full time live there. Yep. Yeah!
Bill W: Collin:It's a great place to come visit, but I would never want to like, full time live there.