The William Arthur Show
The William Arthur Show
EP 35: Tyler Derouin | How Plant Medicines Can Help Us Heal
Greetings Seekers! In this discussion with Tyler Deruoin we talk about the path to more freedom and love life. How can plant medicine help ? What is healing ? Choosing to be a master of destiny versus a victim of history via the lens we look at our challenges through. We all want more fun, love, togetherness and connection in our lives. It was a pleasure to sit down with Tyler in this dance of painting a picture of the wisdom in his heart which align with these values. Thank you all so much, enjoy !
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the wonderful, magical opportunity Sitting down with a fellow human being on the path of rising up in love and connection and openness and wholeness. And it's an honor and a pleasure to be in this moment and to co create This experience and this conversation. So I am with my brother Tyler, a new brother. You're going to have to remind me of your last name.
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):Roan. Yeah.
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):Derwine, Tyler Derwine, and we met at a community gathering, uh, a sangha, where we got to enjoy some meditation together, and I was like, yo, you look just like someone I went to high school with,
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):Right, right.
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):a man named Chris Lane, um, and that would be... Quite the occurrence of Chris Lane was listening to this, which I doubt he will. But with that being said, we got to connect there. We shared some conversation, met through a mutual friend, Morgan and the following week or. Two weeks later, I forget the exact duration of time in between the sangha and then we got to share some tea and I learned that he was a 5 MEO, uh, and plant medicine facilitator, which I was like, wow, plant medicines have had a huge impact on my life and so many of the people around me and I'm definitely on board, uh, with, the message of de stigmatizing these compounds and illuminating awareness around what these, uh, these plant medicines can do for people on their healing journey. Because as we all know, the world is very much in need of some support. And I know we're both in agreeance when I say that plant medicines are a very Um, effective means of helping people, uh, open their hearts and, and, uh, to help them remember and to come home to, uh, what our true nature is. So that's my introduction. Thank you for being here, brother. How you doing?
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):Phenomenal. Yeah. Yeah, it's just really great to share space with you. And yeah, like you voiced, it just like very quickly felt like there is a kinship, uh, that was shared between us. Oh, phenomenal.
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):hundred percent. So to start out, I would love for you to share in your own words. You know, what it is you're pursuing in this realm, because absolutely you'll be able to articulate much better than I would ever be able to what you are doing on your own path. So, would love to just start things off there.
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):Sure, yeah. Yeah, and just thank you for this opportunity to share in this and share in this mystery. Uh, yeah, so I guess my formal background is in counseling and psychology, and I'd been up to that for quite some time. About seven years or so in sort of holistically oriented counseling spaces, working with addiction, end of life. Folks with, uh, Alzheimer's, dementia, uh, schizophrenia, all of those conditions. And the healing process, uh, would be pretty slow. Especially, like, there'd be a lot of maintenance in that. And through chance, I had arrived at a ayahuasca ceremony, um, out on the east coast. And... I met, uh, met someone who invited me to start holding space for the toad and I've been really really impacted by the toad medicine before that. And so I was like, yes, absolutely. I thought it would be, uh, years down the road until I ever had a sort of opportunity or even my own internal space to be around holding space for, uh, for that medicine in particular. And just by saying yes to opportunities, I ended up in a extended mentorship and met a really incredible community that also was mentoring underneath this, uh, this one individual. And, yeah, it feels incredibly resonant because the leaps of healing and self homecoming that I see through Entheogens, uh, when they're used in a safe, reverent, and really grounded container. Uh, are just, just incredible. There's, there's so much more to, uh, to uncover in that space and people can become so playful and free with their love and giving themselves that self love, uh, and, and also being able to reconcile and, and hold things that they hadn't seen in such a long time or they were too, um, it was too much of an edge for them to go through, but in like that, that safe contained container with, uh, And with facilitators, they really could trust in themselves and with the use of this medicine and entheogens to move those things. yeah, and there's just so many traditions to learn from and I'm just always continually in awe at the wisdom of people around me, especially like well established traditions. Yeah.
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):Beautiful. beautiful. Uh, one phrase that stuck out to me was self homecoming, yeah, that beautiful process of being able to see through what it is that's been, you know, imposed upon us, uh, via our programming, via our parents, via, uh, Um, basically our direct environment, uh, leading up to this point, there was a lot of conversation we had pre podcast, uh, you know, about that specific topic and, and a question that comes to mind for me that I'm very curious to, to hear about and, uh, really just other people's perspectives and how they frame this, um, and there'll be so much to unpack here. So this could be. A great thread for us to really ride on for a while. And that question would be, what does healing mean to you in your own words? Right. Yeah. It's a, it's a, that's, and, and, um, I was watched just to one more thing real quick. Was watching an interview with Stephen Levine and I didn't know you did work with people at end of life. And that's something I'm feeling a call towards in terms of how I can be of service. And really just something I, I feel really curious about. Um, Stephen Levine, he was asked the same question and he went down his own rabbit hole, but yeah, I'll just leave it at that. And we'd love to see, you know, what comes through for you in relativity to that question.
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):Yeah. Uh, well, I'll just share that the end of life work is so, such an incredible and special thing and something I do hope to step more fully into. And, there's so many ways that could look like, uh, to your question though, I mean healing. I guess maybe one quick way of phrasing it, greater degrees of freedom in our own life to be able to walk in a way, uh, in which both are. psyche and sort of mental patterns and then also our body is freed up in a way that we just feel more, uh, we have a wider window of tolerance, a wider window of presence, of being able to be present with those big emotions, big memories, whatever challenges that come up and to be able to hold that in a way that we still stay regulated and still say Uh, connected to ourselves without necessarily having to use our different strategies of accommodating that when it feels like it's too much. Uh, and it looks way different for everyone, yeah, I mean, uh, entheogens in particular can show this, but just, I mean, people in general, I mean, everyone's doing the best they can with what they have in that moment, and we find different strategies to, to move with it. And so sometimes that, uh, can look relational and, and community oriented, other times it's a lot of time with oneself and. Um, to cultivate, um, those sort of self love practices.
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):Yeah. Yeah. freedom is, if, if I was going to put one word on it and to simplify it completely, that I really resonate with that, um, the path to finding freedom within ourselves. Where are we, where are we trapped? Where are we, where You know, where have we created our own prison house? Where, where are we fortifying the bars? What are the bars on the cage for us? And plant medicines can be. So wonderful in illuminating what is in the unconscious and letting it percolate to the surface, uh, for us to shed light on it and see it. It's like, Oh, that's that thing. Oh, I didn't realize that. Um, you know, this issue I was having in my life was tied to this occurrence I had when I was eight years old, I've even heard experiences of people in ceremony with ayahuasca going back to childbirth or even being in the womb and, um, And recalling a memory where the father was, you know, expressing hatred towards the mother and the baby. I have a personal friend who was able to recall a memory, and I don't think it was ayahuasca related in that regard, but I have heard experiences of people transporting back to the womb in their ayahuasca experiences, and... Yeah, just to continue on the topic of healing, I would love to hear, you know, how plant medicines for yourself have created or broadened, uh, broadened your, uh, ability to heal as well as the people you've worked with, um, wherever that takes
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):Yeah. Well, first I want to touch on two those, uh, those sort of womb memories. Uh, Stan Groff, who was first doing LSD therapy with his wife, uh. They were up to that for a while, and then when LSD became illegal, they started doing the holotropic breathwork, and they deactivated breathing, and he found really, reliably, it would create these, uh, perinatal and, and womb oriented experiences, and so entheogens are just one strategy to get into this. There are so many other ways of accessing these open, opening realms, and opening, like, ways of being, uh, but entheogens are just such an incredibly, uh, powerful tool in doing so because it almost invariably opens someone up to all this content and, uh, when it's, again, in like a good container for it, someone can go incredibly deep and, and really reliably too, whereas, uh, someone on a meditation path for an incredibly long time might not have those. Uh, peak experiences, those illuminating moments that can really bring that, uh, those transpersonal experiences in.
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):And when you say, uh, entheogen for anyone listening, do you know the etymology of the word entheogen? Cause I don't. So I would, I think I've heard it at some point. I just am unable to access that information right now. And it would be great just for creating context for people.
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):Absolutely. So, uh, um, The N, E N, is like endogenous, so it's something internal and contained within us. And then Theo is as if theology, uh, so it's God or light. Uh, and then the Gen is the catalyst, uh, like a pathogen or something, something that helps that open up. So it is a, uh, God illuminating, like internal God illumination that, uh, that these... substances, or a catalyst for,
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):That's really good.
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):which is very different from, uh, the sort of psychedelic, which is like mind manifesting, or soul manifesting, which gets to it. But I think this, this uncovering of the, the light within us is a little bit more of a reverent way of speaking about it. Not to say there's a right or wrong about it because I think because you can have a classically psychedelic experience with fractals and Time distortion as well as movement in your visual field or geometry, and I think that's a great way to describe it but the the experience of Meeting the divine. I think entheogen sort of primes you for that or at least Phrases it in that that manner
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):Beautiful. And To go a step further with that, how would you describe the divine or the light? Um, cause that's so cool. That's so beautiful. That, that connection that can be unveiled or, you know, what we inherently are through, uh, in theogens and, and how that, you know, just makes it for most people, quite apparent in that experience.
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):Well, I guess first I'm like drawn to, uh, the Dao De Ching comes up of like, that which can be spoken is not the Dao, right? And, uh, but, but still there's this, uh, there, there's also this idea of like a numinosity. It's like a numinous experience of there being something greater than just this one person. It was a word that Carl Jung liked to use a lot of like
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):Numinosity,
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):numinous, yeah, numinous. Yeah. So the, the numinous is a. Uh, well, I guess what other people would say, like, in the transpersonal space, it's like person plus. There's something, uh, markedly more connected or spacious about that, that moment, that experience. It's outside of your normal frame of consciousness and there is something in the way of, uh, receiving information in ways that you usually would not. Yeah. Uh,
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):Well said, well said. Um, yeah, cause I, we're all figuring out how it is that we come to know that, right. And, and nobody can make sense of it for you. So it's funny that I even asked that cause that was like an underlying intention. Like I'm, you know, just receiving a reflection in that regard helps me triangulate what it means to me, which is so helpful.
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):Sure. Yeah.
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):appreciate you, you know, articulating in the way you did there and
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):Yeah. Well, to speak a little bit more to that too, of like, what, what is the sacred? Because I think in this culture, there's so many ways that we can move along and be in this doing attitude and not slow down to see the abundance in our own lives and to see The great level of connection that's available to us when we start to, to take stock of that because I think isolation is one of the largest, uh, I'll say mind viruses or beliefs that our culture has right now, uh, that we are so separate from, from the people around us, from the nature environment around us, from, uh, the world as a whole, but when there are ways of slowing down and Counting our, uh, blessings, so to speak. There's, there's a lot there, and oftentimes it's just by getting, uh, either connecting to a sense of safety in ourselves, and the sense of just knowing, like, I am, and knowing that all other beings are sharing that, too. Like, everything has, is, has an inherent quality of I am ness,
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):Wonderfully put.
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):Yeah, one, one image I like quite a bit is every... bit of life that there is, is like the center of a mandala, uh, but we're all simultaneously that center of the mandala, because we're all having our own, like, locus of experience, and it's like, I'm looking out at the world from where I am, and you're looking out at the world from where you are, and... To each of us, the universe is revolving around this point generally, and as far as what our experiences, but that's true for every molecule that that's like its own center. And it's in this incredibly intricate web of, of needing each other.
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):yeah. Um, I liked what you hit on in terms of, well, what I heard from your words is that, um, and isolation is something I have a lot of experience with and it's been a detriment for sure. Um. And there's a lot of reasons I, I did isolate. First and foremost, it was an inclination and it was due to lack of awareness and I thought if I was just alone and say I focused on my jewelry business and I was successful in that area in the realm of material, then I would feel wholeness and, you know, thank God for that journey because I got to go through it and then find out otherwise that there's you know, only I can create wholeness from within. That was the main lesson that came through that. And another thing you spoke on that spoke to me was that our pain is not unique. And, uh, In reference to Stephen Levine, once more, somebody I've been really reading into and listening to a lot of his talks on conscious dying and conscious living was making the translation from my pain to the pain because it is something that we all share and something that we all have in common. We all have darkness within us that You know, manifests in various ways that creates this sense of pain, and it's comforting to know, and it's also the truth, that we're all going through it, and, and I imagine many people that reach a precipice of You know, loneliness and isolation and being so lost in their pain, think that they're completely alone and unfortunately, ultimately end up taking their lives for, you know, obviously a multitude of reasons, but I would imagine that them, you know, having the story that they are alone in this pain, uh, would be a part of making that decision to do so. And, uh. Just that language shift alone was illuminating for me, because I find myself in that trap and illusion of, you know, thinking I'm the only one going through, you know, serious depression, or, or addiction, or, um, experiencing insecurities coming up, and it helps quite a bit to know that, um, we're all in this together.
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):Yeah. And to share that together there, there's so much more we have in common with each other than there is difference. We have this, these similar fears and desires that we want, we want. To have love in our life, we want to be witnessed, we want connection, and, and we go through these trials that like again and again are, uh, look really similar to each other, even cross culturally. There might be different, like, language around it, and there might be different patterns or sort of, um, routes for people to have those experiences, but, uh, yeah, it's, it's incredibly... It's very centering and comforting to know I'm not alone in this. And I think one access point, too, if someone doesn't have a connection to people around them is to study mythology because, like, it's, the human experience is just woven in there. Like, all these Greek gods were going through what people are going, uh, people nowadays are still going through. It's just very, these stories that are integral to being alive.
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):Wonderful. Um, I would love for us to dive into a bit of your own personal experience in terms of what have been, you know, you mentioned, Connection and love and, you know, we all know these things are important that they support us and be reaching wholeness, right? And, being in our hearts and really stabilizing in our existence. I would love to hear what. You know, your core pillars have been in terms of being able to maintain sanity, first and foremost, and enjoyment in this life. What are, what have been the foundational values for you and, and elements, uh, that you have had to remain in pursuit of to, to maintain, um, your love for life and your enjoyment and your enthusiasm. What have been, what has been most supportive for you on your journey? In regards to that.
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):yeah. Yeah, well, I think the first thing that really comes up is gratitude, and trying to find ways to have gratitude for the different things that are coming into my life, and contextualizing it in a way to see these challenges as growth catalysts, to see someone's entry into my life as, uh, Uh, an opportunity to know myself better and to know other aspects of the universe better and as an opportunity to, to open up, to open up my part and curiosity and try to lead from a place of curiosity opposed to fear. Yeah.
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):I heard a good quote real quick, uh, there is no good, there is no bad, only teachers. And it's so power, it's, you know, easier said than done to apply that principle to one's life. But like the way we choose to see things and, and why things are in our lives, whether we are, you know, we can assume victim consciousness or we can assume to take whatever circumstances showed up and work with it in terms of helping us. Expand our awareness and become better individuals and really hone in on, um, you know, fortifying our momentum forward.
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):Yeah. There's, uh, uh. saying of, uh, the things in my life are happening for me and not to me. And when we switch that, that, that language piece, it's
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):Yeah, and and People say that and like, well, yeah, if you choose that perspective, right. And that's such a process to, and you're continually tested every new situation, every new challenge, uh, you have to maneuver in a way where you are able to rise up to the occasion of seeing it in that way. And there's actions you have to take and, and, and, and there's decisions you have to make internally to, to remain. there in that position of empowerment instead of letting the circumstance have power over you. So I love that because that ties into a lot of the work I do with a method called story work, which is going into people's memories and Um, you know, shift and looking at the words they're using to define their experience and, and, um, you know, feeling the emotions that are there as well. And then curating the words in a different way to shift the perspective to one of more accuracy and empowerment, um, circling around that concept of seeing things happening for you. Not to you, which yeah, I love that's it's so valuable Except it had I feel like the concept has barnacles too, and it needs more elaboration and like it's obviously different for everyone Depending on your circumstance, but we all have the opportunity to choose that perspective of things happening for us and as a means of helping us grow.
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):Right, right. Yeah, there's, uh, right. It's very easy to hold that perspective, uh, without facing incredible levels of strife.
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):Mm. Well said.
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):yeah, when there's, uh, feel Darkness that's happening. It, uh, yeah, it can be very crazy to where folks really, yeah, see, like, there's a lesson in this for you.
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):Where's the golden nugget?
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):yeah, it's like, no, this is a tragedy and this really needs to be mourned.
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):Yeah. Um, do you have any specific examples of strife and tragedy that. You know, you were able to overcome, and would you be open to sharing it? If so, I know these things can be incredibly personal, and yeah, if you need a second to think about it, I can keep riffing on, but uh, yeah, do you feel called to that?
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):to think about it, I
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):for you.
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):you feel called to that? In times where I've had mentors teachers who I felt some dissonance with to be able to see people that I look up to so much and so reverently in their own humanness and to be able to have the opportunity then to see where in me there is that dissonance and is this dissonance. Me sort of avoiding, or is this me finding a way to stand in my own power, in my own truth, and to be thankful for all the lessons and gratitude that I've taken in from teachers of all sorts of kinds, and, uh, be able to walk away with a better sense of self, a better sense of what is, uh, working for me. Another more concrete example, too, is Uh, with the passing of my father about, like, seven years ago or so, there was such a invitation to grow curious about my own ancestry and about connecting to, uh, ancestors, connecting to forces that I've passed on and to be able to really cultivate that space within myself. And that took the form of, like, dream work and, like, really getting curious about those whenever my father would show up, as well as Getting more curious about my own lineage and, uh, knowing someone who was flesh and blood, who is now an ancestor, to have such a direct line to, uh, to those unseen forces, uh, has set off a lot in me, even in just feeling more, uh, contextualized within this bloodline, to know that, like, yes, these people that are around me, uh, whom I love very much, will pass on to the other side, and that personal connection is still there, even though that person, the, the center of that experience is gone, the, the object in the water isn't making the waves, those ripples are still going out, and how, in myself, I Uh, how deeply in myself can I still feel those ripples and can I name, like, oh, this is an influence from my father and grow curious about those influences and ripples that seem like they're from some far off place, some place that isn't so directly there, but doesn't quite seem like me as well.
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):Yeah. I, my father passed away two months before, actually Less than one month before I was born. And, that I've worked with. experience in a way, I, I've never really fallen into why me, you know, sort of frame of mind, so to speak. But, uh, I've myself also have sunk my teeth into, uh, this massively formative experience in a way too. Where I am able to see how this has been, you know, a golden opportunity for me. Right. And that's what I hear you, um, having done with the passing of your own father, and that's so powerful because. Yeah, it's, uh, loss can create mass confusion and can create tailspins and, and, and we can really get lost in that grief. So I, I commend you and I find it incredibly beautiful, uh, that you have been able to, uh, maneuver it in a way that. connection, you know, to him and yourself, that's, that's incredible. I would love to now move into, uh, shift gears back into plant medicines and, and theogens as a whole. um, you know, in terms of ceremony, what's, you know, what is important for people to know when approaching these medicines? Cause as we know, they, have profound impact on perception and therefore can be very dangerous and detrimental. They could fracture someone's psyche when used improperly and cause more damage, right? And, and as there's a resurgence, there's a, you know, a entheogen renaissance occurring. More and more people are going to be Uh, testing the waters, right? Um, what is important for people to know when, when something like this comes into awareness and there's a curiosity there and they're thinking, you know, this, this could be really good for me. This could be of service to me. Um, expanding my awareness, um, coming to more wholeness, finding more love in my life, finding more clarity. Uh, what kind of nuggets you got for people?
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Incredible invitation. Uh, So I think when a lot of people are first setting off into this journey, oftentimes it's through, uh, through hope or maybe even desperation of, like, wanting for something to, uh, to finally help, because it's like the other avenues have not yielded anything, and I'm still sitting here with this, uh, density, or these challenges, and I want help, or I'm just curious and I want, I want to experience these things in a ceremonial setting, and More than anything, I encourage folks to move slow and be discerning with whom they, uh, trust themselves with. Uh, there's, there's certainly really, uh, there's a lot of facilitators out there and there's more and more people, uh, year by year serving these medicines. And to find someone who has connections to having had mentorship, to having, uh, A clear lineage that they're training from as well as having really like best practice guidelines in place So that looks like intake screening that looks like I'm sometimes saying no to participants if there's Different conditions or circumstances where it doesn't make sense for them to be sitting with those medicines because as you said the so much can come up at once and Uh, and you, you can, I have seen people leave more fractured than, than whole after an experience. And not to say necessarily that, that somehow wasn't to, uh, some cosmic benefit of them having these soul lessons and being able to see, themselves in trying times, but, and that there's some larger order about this, but at the same time, uh, it's... Just important to to move slow with all of this and oftentimes people upon discovering it They're like this is incredible. This this this is the V's knees. This is the shit. I
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):The cat's
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):Yeah, exactly exactly And oftentimes folks will Have a lot of experiences in a fairly short amount of time and they want to strike while the iron is hot Which I totally get they're like, yes, I'm finally clearing out the attic. I am changing things quickly and More and more I've been inclined to invite people to have like space between ceremonies and space between their experiences to really let these things land because as we get into the sort of Uh, experience after experience and ceremony after ceremony, it can be so tempting to make big life changes, uh, and maybe not from a grounded place and be like, yep, I'm breaking up with a person. I'm not going to talk to these folks anymore or, or leave the job without necessarily having the proper grounding and safety nets and, um, to have taken everything into consideration before making a significant transition. Um,
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):dude. Yeah. A guide is necessary, is what I'm hearing. A ref, someone to hold space in a way where, yeah, they're. They're practicing with deep reverence and discernment, right? Um, and, and that, uh, an individual who's taken the steps forward to inform themselves to the degree to, to hold space for such a deep process, because. Yeah. As you said, things can come up and think, you know, the needle's moving in the right direction quite rapidly and people can get ahead of themselves and start biting off more than they can chew and really not integrating. So this would be a great segue into the process of integration. Something I'm very curious about. I'm sure many, uh, whoever's listening to this that are also involved in their own experiences of utilizing plant medicines to heal. What are some things we can do to effectively integrate? Also, recognizing that it's going to look different for everyone, and I'm sure it's a process of trial and error and, and taking messy action and, you know, checking back in what's working. How am I actually measuring, uh, and, uh, quantifying if it's working or not? All these different things. So I'd love to hear whatever perspectives you have to offer there.
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):Absolutely. Yeah, I think one of the most grounding things for that process is to, uh, be in community or have at least one or two people who you can confide in as all this, uh, shifting is happening, who understand, because I think there's oftentimes this space that people get into of wanting to share these incredible experiences they've had, uh, of cosmic proportions or, uh, revelations about their own Uh, way of being and their own memories and life experiences and traumas, and it can come with such, uh, enthusiasm that, uh, if you end up telling folks with all this enthusiasm and they're not in the emotional space to receive that, or to have the right open mindedness to receive that, it can feel really deflating and maybe even invalidating to your own experiences. Uh, because if you, you've... Had an experience of encountering, um, past loved ones or angels of some sort, uh, for someone to be receiving that and to feel as if it's, uh, being met with judgment is, is, uh, really, you're sharing this vulnerable piece of yourself. And so I think a way of really checking in with that discernment of who to share with is. Uh, speaking in terms of feeling when you're sharing with folks who are not necessarily open to, uh, this entheogenic work, um, or at least not familiar with what it might look like. And so, if you're able to say, like, Oh, you know, I had this, this weekend where I really felt this deep sense of calmness and peace, and I really felt like I could rest for the first time in a long time, and I felt really held, uh. If someone feels, if someone's curious about that, like, oh, that's interesting. Tell me more. And then maybe you can be like, well, I really felt as if my, uh, my father who had passed away was actually holding me and, and I really was able to, like, go into that safety, um, or, or something of that sort. Uh, And more to integration, too. I think time in nature and time doing things that are... Allowing ourselves to slow down and connect more with ourselves, and that might look like journaling or having a creative flow like music, writing, dance, art, as well as the somatic piece of really doing things to get into our own body, and I think that is huge of this, uh, doing things that center our own body, whether that's just like breathing or receiving massage or... Doing things that are activating, like, uh, working out, uh, or going for runs, or things like that. But the more connection that we have in our own body, I've, have found that the emotions can, uh, be better felt, the more connected we are to our physical self, the more clearly our emotions and, uh, psyche can kind of speak to us.
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):Absolutely. Um, So. with this work and there's a quote that comes to mind for me that I'm really fond of and that really just lights me up and it's, uh, you can count the seeds in an apple but you can't... Count the apples and a seed so and we were talking about this a little bit earlier how like just by being in the world and Sharing our authentic selves. We never know like The magnitude of the ripple we're going to create through eternity into consciousness, you know, and, and, and what that means, right. And, and, and the level at which that occurs, um, what is, you know, this is, could be a really hard question and that's why it's fun. So we'll go there. Uh, we, we like the deep end. Um, what if you were to. You know, express for us what the overarching impact you look to have with the work that you're doing with human beings, uh, with the, and theogens in ceremony. Uh, how would you articulate that?
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):Yeah, I think this sense of homecoming is central to this, of putting individuals in a position where they can experience themselves and the universe in a very purposeful way. And oftentimes it's through this. deprogramming and revision of beliefs and this sense of empowerment of people being able to stand in their own truth and not have all the stormy weather of these things that we've acquired in this lifetime and other lifetimes or ancestral content. For that to kind of cloudy and cloud their own actions or muddy the waters. Uh, I mean for folks to be in a position for them to step into their own gifts and to be able to hold that torch, whatever that looks like, uh, and I think a incredible piece of this more and more than I'm drawn to is that this work can happen in community contexts. Uh, so there is, uh, I mean, directly kind of. Picking up that piece of isolation when we're able to have these experiences with other people around us and we see that there is so much that's uniting us and, uh, that there is this common ground for us to stand on. But then there's this deep mystery that we're all reveling in. Uh, there's something incredible about that. And these cosmically proportioned revelations that folks can have don't need to come from guide or any outside authority. So often people are coming to these realizations on their own just, just by being in connection with these medicines, with these sacraments and for them to, uh, I mean, it's just these, these messages of, uh, basically the perennial philosophies of different religions, these things that are said again and again love, uh, love is the way, I mean, or just the deep interconnection ness of, uh, it. of all beings and the way to show up reverently with everything around us. I mean, people arrive to these conclusions on their own and, uh, I think of myself as a, uh, practitioner, only so much that I'm able to provide a safe space and maybe help move some energy for folks. However, those realizations are coming from their own being. I mean, it is really folks. Being able to see the truth in themselves and discover it on in their own terms and in in their own context.
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):drop. My dude. So good. So beautiful. yeah, man, truly just. A remembering what we are meeting ourselves with, with mercy and openness and, and, um, assuming the ripple of love, right? That's, I'm, I'm with you on that a hundred percent. And, are there, you know, let's see. psychedelics like?
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):Good one. Yeah. so I, uh, Growing up in Connecticut, I had a group of friends that, all of them were smoking pot before me, and I was, uh, I had the incredible privilege of being able to find Arrowhead, the website that had so many user generated experiences, uh, and I had wanted to try MDMA before, I wanted to try pot, just based on, like, what I saw other people having, but, uh, pot invariably was the first thing that I had, and so, I had an incredible experience, uh, throughpot that would absolutely be described as entheogenic of laying on the grass at the end of a summertime, uh, and looking up. Into the night sky and seeing all these stars and I was weighing with two people that I love very much like two best friends of mine at the time and Looking up and feeling my own awareness go up into the stars and feeling my being encapsulate like multitudes just as big as I could possibly Conceive that that was my own being and for me to come back into my own body, uh, not that time too, I was like a stark atheist and I was like, that was really interesting. How, how do I contextualize Yeah,
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):Paradigm shifting, it sounds
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):Absolutely. Absolutely. Uh, I'd love to maybe talk about my first Ayahuasca experience. there. Sure. Yeah, Yeah. So. Uh, it was with a South Colombian Taita and, uh, they're using Yahé, so there are many different types of ayahuasca.
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):Yahi is very strong. yes, yes. Yes,
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):yes it is. Uh, and oftentimes the first night for, of Yahé, people are very physically cleansed out. Oftentimes our visions aren't coming that first night. Uh, there's like a lot of, uh, A lot of vomiting and a lot of diarrhea, and that was true for just about everyone, um, and in the way that he contextualized this was, well, the medicine's clearing you out for spirit to come in, and, uh, oftentimes for folks on the second night, then they have these cosmically proportioned experiences, uh, and that was very much the case. The first night was very physical, a very, just feeling all these energies moving through my system in a way that felt like, uh, Uh, like my meridians were, like, lighting up, like bits of energy were moving through my body. Uh, and it was just very, very interesting, very emotional at times. Uh, and on the second night, there was, uh, this corner of us in this room. Uh, and maybe two thirds of the way through the ceremony, we were moving a lot of energy. There was a lot of, like, vocalizing happening. I was experiencing these animal spirits moving through my body and I would see my own face like a boar and I was making the sounds of a boar and then like a lion and I, you know, this, and I felt as if my body was assuming those, uh, certainly I was assuming those postures, but I felt identified with those animals. And. Throughout the night, after that calmed down, I, uh, I was like, I need to get to the bathroom. And so, uh, I had a bucket in one hand, and I was crawling all the way down the, uh, ceremonial room. There's like an aisle where all the mats are kind of cleared out, and, uh, the bathrooms were not just on the opposite side of the room I was in, but they're also up, uh, two semi flights of stairs. Uh, like one, one flight of stairs, but like two half flights. And so, I was. crawling along on, uh, with the three limbs plus the bucket, which was acting as a limb. And eventually I, uh, got to the stairs and was starting to get more, uh, more lift beneath me. And by the time I had gotten to the bathroom, I was having these incredible visions of geometry and everything, and I by, had gotten, uh, Alone in the bathroom and had a clean purge bucket. And I was singing into it and, and seeing this incredible geometry and, and just feeling as if there's something bigger moving through me. And for this moment, which maybe on clock time would look like 15 seconds, uh, I felt my soul essence go back to what felt very familiar, which was a, a bfo, a five MEO experience of just this pure unity state. And, uh, it was so weightless. There was so much. Uh, golden and white light, this deep sense of peace and knowing who and what I am, uh, and true weightlessness. And, I was like, this is incredible and so deeply familiar. Even that first 5 MEO experience was a deeply familiar experience. And so, during the ayahuasca experience, as I came back down into my body, and all of the weight and all of the, the density of this realm became known, I had a, uh, It, it was very audible to everyone what was happening. Just this incredible purging happening and, uh, it yeah, I mean, incredibly strong experience and really cleansing. It just felt like I was moving out all of these, uh, like I was being rung like a towel of all this density leaving
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):Sounds like a beautiful purification process and, really just a unexplainable beauty and, and coming into that sense of oneness, which, I mean, think about this. I'm sure there's plenty of people that, I mean, I'm sure to smaller degrees and maybe them just not recognizing it, uh, consciously have never had that experience. And that's, what's so amazing about the plant medicines. Uh, what can be so amazing about them is that it can really be, uh, It can really be, um, Such an effective means of creating that direct experience of, of, of, you know, that, of what we truly are, that connection to God, that connection to spirit, that connection to pure love, you know, however you want to frame it, the universe, and that's so cool how you essentially took form of, of animals. And that also circles around that same point of that. You know, unity that all things share, and like, what is reality? Is there even separation at all, right? Um, and yeah, really, oh, my computer's doing a weird Um, wonderful, well, dude. You're such a beautiful soul. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and your experiences and carrying the torch of helping others, you know, come to deeper self understanding and more self love and more wholeness and just to for the betterment of all humans, it's it's very much appreciated and you know I feel your your sense of commitment your level of commitment rather and Um, yeah, dude, respect, and I commend you on your journey, and I'm very grateful that the universe brought us together and that we're able to collaborate. Um, with that being said, can you share where people can find you, where people can get in touch, and then, um, before that, if there's any last words you want to share, if there's anything you feel called to expressing to anyone listening?
Tyler (wild bill and tyler):Sure. Yeah, well, as far as sharing, I definitely feel complete, and I just want to thank you for this container. It really has been, uh, Such an incredible conversation, and it's just exciting to know, too, that we're at the beginning of collaboration, and all these things of, uh, that may come down the pipeline. Who knows? Which is really exciting. Uh, in way of contacting me, right now, the best way would probably be through Instagram. Uh, so I have uh, more ceremonial, Kind of container on Instagram, which is, uh, at Wellspring within. And then I also craft, uh, ceremonial fans using, uh, animal parts and, and bird feathers. And there's a lot that goes into that. And that's, uh, inner wellspring arts. Uh, and then soon I'll be releasing a sub stack too with a public facing portion as well as a, member portal, uh, which will be under my name, Tyler Deroy. Uh, and I'm doing a lot of writing right now about that, and that's an exciting thing. Hasn't yet birthed, but is well, well in the way of being
Wild Bill (Tyler and Bill):Excellent, man. All right. So thank you guys so much for tuning in. You know where to find me and please reach out at any time if you're looking for support or just to have a conversation. I'm sure Tyler is also open to that same notion. And if you found value, share, share with a friend or loved one. Um, if you want to support the show, share on Instagram, leave a rating on Spotify, subscribe on YouTube. Um, YouTube being, which this is the first time I'm plugging this, it's Wild Bill. I believe I should know my own YouTube tag, but you know, it's a new thing. So, Yeah, so you guys love you all so much. Thank you, and we will see you next time. Smooches.