EP 3: Bill Matthews | The Tahoe 200, Finding Your Mountain, What The Trail Revealed (PT 2)

Welcome back to The Space for Being.

In Part Two of our conversation with ultrarunner and transformational coach Bill Matthews, we unpack what happened after the finish line of the Tahoe 200. After running 200 miles around Lake Tahoe through four days, four nights, and over 34,000 feet of elevation gain, Bill reflects on the lessons the mountain revealed—not just about endurance, but about mindset, community, purpose, and what it truly means to believe in yourself.

Together, we explore the unseen moments behind the race, the friendships forged on the trail, the power of language under extreme adversity, and why every one of us has our own mountain worth climbing.

Whether your challenge is physical, personal, relational, or professional, this conversation is an invitation to stop waiting for certainty and begin taking the next courageous step.

**In this episode:**

* What the Tahoe 200 revealed after crossing the finish line
* The mindset that carried Bill through four days of relentless adversity
* Why the stories we tell ourselves shape the lives we create
* The power of community, support, and finding your people
* Lessons on marriage, forgiveness, and long-term relationships
* Why everyone has their own mountain—and how to start climbing yours
* Practical tools for building resilience, courage, and a life aligned with purpose

*The Space for Being* is a podcast about being, becoming, and belonging—exploring the conversations, practices, and ideas that help us live more fully alive.

**Connect with us:**

Instagram: @hivemke, @thespaceforbeeing 

Learn more: hivemke.com

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

What's up, y'all? Welcome back to the Space For Being podcast. I'm your host, Bill Robertson, and we're back with Mr. Bill Matthews. Welcome to the show, sir.

SPEAKER_01 0:08

What is up, brother? Different environment. We're both back home from this that amazing journey, but man, what an epic adventure that was, man. That will live on forever. I can't thank you enough for being a part of that, dude. You were very instrumental. Uh people speak have spoken very highly about you after you left. And uh yeah, it was really bitching to have you along for the for the ride.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

Yeah, it was it was definitely a highlight of the year for me getting in, getting to be in the midst of the energy of a 200-mile ultra and really just get to receive the blessing of you know the team dynamic that was present with y'all and your crew and Gail, get to know some of your friends, get to know you on a deeper level, um, and just spend some time on the trail. And for context for people listening, I got to pace a couple different segments for the Tahoe 200, which Bill Matthews just completed. Let's take a second, everybody stand up, standing elevation for this man. If you want to, if you want to take a bow, Bill, and just you know, soak it all in. We are celebrating you. I know I'm celebrating you and um for this monumental effort and commitment to such a prolonged effort to prepare yourself for this, which everything in your life obviously has prepared yourself for the moment of executing on an event of this caliber. Um, but for a little bit more context, uh, and anyone listening to this now, this is part two, so definitely go listen to part one if you haven't already. Otherwise, totally cool if you just want to stick with us from here on out and totally scratch that. But Tahoe 200 Endurance Event is a 200-mile foot race all the way around Lake Tahoe in the central California area. 34k of elevation gain across the track, so ascending, descending, up and down, up and down, up and down. And just to put that into perspective, that's the height at which planes fly. That that was the best way I could think of, like to describe or to for somebody to understand what that means. And that is um, I believe the summit of Mount Everest is also around 34,000 feet. And that's not from base camp, that's from sea level. So um, I know you mentioned this to me before, so I'm just trying to like paint the picture for the listeners. And in the previous show, we explored a variety of topics from like the mindset that's required to go into an event like this and some of Bill's expectations and where he was at, because you know, true step into the unknown, true leap into unexplored territory, right? And and Bill has ran a handful of hundred-mile races, so he's definitely familiar with um these longer duration events, but only up to 24 hours. And for this event, you're out there for four days and four nights. So there's a lot to unpack here, and it's just so great to be back, and I'm so excited for both myself to get you know an inside scoop of what this was all like for you. Um, and I know that the listeners will gain a lot of value as well just from the inside in golden nuggets because you're so, so good at um, I would say integrating your experience and then communicating it, articulating it, which is can really be challenging with just life in general, right? Communication on the topic of that. But um so we're gonna explore what the trail revealed, what this this running experience entailed. We're just gonna delve in and and see where it goes. Um so my first question for you, Bill, is is how are you feeling in this moment? What has changed? Um, are there any like has there anything been anything surprising about the post-race integration experience thus far? And then feel free to just speak to whatever else you want in relation to everything I just said too.

SPEAKER_01 4:05

How am I feeling right now? I'm feeling freaking just outstanding, still still buzzing, because you can have goals and aspirations, but you just don't know exactly what's gonna happen. It's like the fact that I finished it and was one of the people that finished was such a an elation, but it wasn't a letdown, like, oh, it's over now. What? It's like, man, just taking that deep in, like, man, you just accomplished something that most people will never attempt, you know. If you start looking at the amount of, you know, the the percentage of the people that run 5k, 10k, half marathon, and up, it's like, whoa, man, it's like such a minute, smaller than one percent of the human race will ever attempt to do a 200-mile foot race. Lots of people have asked me, what did you what did you learn? What's your biggest takeaway? There's just there's really not one, but what comes to mind is the practical application of all the tools from visualization to the power of words, and actually applying that to then use that experience to show other people and teach other people that it doesn't have to be 200-mile mountain. Like I I said in our original podcast, like go find your own mountain, man. It might be getting a master's degree, having a child, a relationship, you know, building a business, the practical application of the tools that I use to complete the Tahoe 200 apply everywhere, man. The power of belief, visualizing, writing it down, seeing the finish before it ever even freaking started.

SPEAKER_00 5:59

Um, yeah, yeah, one one thing I just want to note on the topic of that that is just so impressive to me is not a single negative word came out of Bill's pie hole, which is I mean, to think about the the depths that you find yourself in during an event like this, as far as what's happening in your body and mentally and emotionally, like everything about what your nervous system is feeling, it's it's likely alluded to like, hey man, like we gotta stop this. This isn't good. Like, I think I think we're you know, just obviously just a uh uh like a colossal level of stress to be dealing with, and for you to commit to that and follow through on that intention is um just a beautiful reflection of your embodiment of the tools you speak to.

SPEAKER_01 6:49

Yeah, it's interesting. I made a commitment to you, might have even heard me say it on the original podcast or speak it to my wife and friends. It's like I had told them my commitment was to not speak a negative word out of my mouth during the race. How are you doing? I'm doing outstanding. The best ever. Yeah, not I'm tired, this is far, oh my god, whatever it might be, I can't control the thoughts that come in. I can control what I focus on once the thought comes there. So, really just letting those go, like, hey, I'll deal with that later. We got a hundred miles to go, or whatever it was. But understanding verbalizing those words gives them so much more power because if I'm using words like I'm tired, we got so much far to go, then that's what I'm focused on. Versus man, look how bitching this is. We're out here with all these other people and doing this an amazing event. I knew that at some point this is gonna come to an end. And by me not verbalizing negative words, guess what people around me didn't do. They didn't verbalize things either. Yeah, yeah, because people paid attention, you know. Um they knew I got stories about that. I mean, the the whole journey is just such an an epic journey, and I don't know where you want me to go uh about the journey, but there's so man, so many wild things that just happened the way the universe wanted it to happen. I had a plan, and then there's what actually happened.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

Right, right. Yeah, and that's actually on my list of things to talk about expectations versus reality. And before we go into that, just on the topic of um, you know, manifestation, which I really like the post you made recently on Instagram. Go follow this guy, Bill. I don't know the exact letters that describe your Instagram today, but look up Bill Matthews, story state coaching. Um creation unfolds from thoughts to words to deeds. So it's amazing that we have this opportunity to observe our thoughts and let them go and breathe life into the ones that are actually serving us and just release the grip on the ones that aren't. And people typically don't recognize their ability to do that, and it's a practice, and what an amazing arena, a 200-mile foot race to put those things to the test and just on a daily basis, right? And recognizing the mechanics of how our reality crystallizes through these different steps from thinking to words to actual actions and behaviors. Um, so to move forward, yeah, I would love to hear about like what your expect expectations were going in, and then what was the reality? Like, what was the contrast there? What were the similarities, and just starting to unpack that in whatever ways you're feeling called to?

SPEAKER_01 9:39

Well, just your you know, when you talk about um the power of thoughts and words and and putting to practi putting them to practice, um the the letter, you know, before I ever left the house. Before I ever left the house, I wrote a letter to myself that said, Congratulations, you did it. 200 miles around Lake Tahoe, you proved once again what hard work and a great mindset can do. Now go teach that to others. And that's exactly what I intend to do and want to continue to do. But once you take it out of your head and put it on paper and see it and visualize and believe that you're capable, because every everything starts with an imagination, imaginate seeing it is believing it, and then taking the actions. Last thing I wanted to do was come home and see that note on my laptop and not have completed it. And I knew that just something tragic was going to happen. And yeah, I had all kinds of plans, and you know, a year a year ago, I threw my my name in the hat of the lottery, which they just notified everybody now who got picked for the lottery. So I might be going back there next year, not to run, but to support Brett, who put his name in the lottery. So curious to see if he got in. But you know, to get picked for the weirdest lottery ever, that yes, you get to go uh run around Lake Tahoe was was scary. Like, oh shit, I got in, you know, like oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

They charge your don't don't they charge your credit card as soon as they pull the name? They do like all right, you're in, buddy. Yeah, here's the end of the deposit.

SPEAKER_01 11:30

I'm in, I'm committed, and you know, the six months of training and and and doing my best to put in all the work to get there, but there's lots of people that did that and didn't finish the race. You know, when I showed up and and and you know did the medical check and did the thing, it's like, oh, I got I still got one more day before the race, so ah, you know, it doesn't happen tomorrow, it happens Friday. I got all of Thursday, and you're still kind of relaxed until Thursday comes and you're like, there's one more wake up, and this is happening, you know, and trying to sleep the night before a race is it's like trying to sleep on Christmas Eve, you know what I mean? When the presents are downstairs and you can't sleep, so toss and turned and um was like, wow, man, this is this is really happening. There's no turning back from this, and then getting to the start line with you know 277 of my closest friends that I haven't met. The the buzz is just kind of happening, and I'm like, I don't know any there, anybody here, but we're all doing the same thing, and you were there committed to being at the start line, which was having the presence of somebody like cheering you on, and like my amazing wife there, and but then it's 10 9 boom boom boom boom boom like this is really happening. Let's go. And it started, and we took that little loop around, and I got to see you guys one more time, and then it's it's just me, man. It's just me and me and uh quite nervous, you know, in regards to navigation. And like you said before, it's like a hundred miles, you only got to go through one night, but typically by mile 50, you're picking up a pacer, so you're really not going through the night by yourself. You have a pacer that's helping you navigate, so you're a little more relaxed because you don't want to get lost out in the wilderness, right? So that is something that I was so nervous about the navigation was on my mind, was on my mind. And as you know, because you were there, you know, within a couple miles, I roll up behind this guy that has a patch on his running gear that says sober warrior. I'm sober for a long time, and I was like, Oh shit. Hey, you sober? He's like, Yeah, and he tells me how long, and I tell him how long. He's like, What? That long, you know, but I just made this instant connection because we have so much in in common, and said, Hey man, you know, we don't have any crew until mile 50, and even after that, man, I'd love to just let's just hang out. I could clearly see that he was we're gonna be ourselby by ourselves out there, why not just hang out and really really quickly realize this guy is a navigator. This guy knows how to freaking navigate. Now he had tried this race before and not finished, but not this course because now this new course was we were going around the whole lake, but I could tell like he just knew to look at the ground and where's the footprints, and if I was going to build a trail, how would I go? And other people were like up at the top of a mountain, going, Do you guys know which way to go? And he always knew which way to go. I'm like, Man, this is not coincidence. You know, this is this is divinely inspired somehow that I'm supposed to meet this guy, and um we basically not basically we ran the whole race together.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

You know, so that was mile four that you guys met, huh? Yeah, within the beginning.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

Right from the get within the beginning. We you know, we have I truly believe I've found a lifelong friend on the trail. I mean, you spend a hundred hours together with somebody, we know intimate details about each other's lives, like uh a friendship condensed into four days that would have taken months to talk that much.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

Yeah, you guys went to battle together too, just to share like yeah, that level of intensity of an experience and the ups and downs, and how that um contributes to an emotional bond or just a bond in general with another person.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

So for sure. And what was so great is as soon as we got to the first aid station where I had crew. First of all, my crew didn't show up where they were supposed to be because my tracker had crashed and everybody thought I was lost out in the wilderness. That's a whole nother story. It's like I get to the aid station, my crew's not there, I'm calling them up, like, hey, where are you? They're like, Oh, well, where's where your tracker says you're I'm like, hey, I'm where I'm supposed to be, and trying to get that fixed with the aid station. But once they showed up, man, they not only took care of me, they took care of my new best friend, Matt. He was he didn't have anybody, and to see my friends so graciously take care of him like they took care of me was was powerful, man. It's it's the the tribe of trail running and humans that do that. It's pretty cool. And we went out on our way, man. And um somewhere in the midst of the race, we ran into another sober guy, you know what I mean? And uh he came running up behind us and he's like, Hey, are you guys talking about sobriety? We're like, Yeah, he goes, Oh man, I'm sober too. I'm like, really? He's like, Yeah, man, 38 years. I'm like, You're kidding me? He's like, Yeah, 38 years. I'm like, what month? He says, April. I'm like, shit, you got more time than me, you know, because I'm May. So we had a bond as well, and and his name was Greg from Boston. So you got Matt from Arizona, Bill from California, Greg or Matt from Arizona, this, you know, Arizona, Boston, California, three people that knew nothing. And he's like, Hey, do you mind if I hang out with you? And he hung out with us for a while, and so we got to an aid station and we decided to get some sleep, you know. Um, the first two nights we might have slept just a couple hours, not enough by by any means. You're just kind of buzzing, and things are happening, and trying to sleep sitting in a car or wherever is a little more difficult. And then uh but we told Greg, hey, we're gonna get some sleep right here for a couple hours, take care of your feed, take care of some food, and then uh we'll meet you back. And as you know, because you were there, it's like yeah, he uh he didn't meet us. We didn't know where he was. We don't know if he left before us, after us. We just knew that we we had to go. And we left, and I didn't know if I'd ever see him again, but went off into the wilderness, man. And like you said, one night is something, but multiple nights, knowing that uh that darkness was upon us again. Something happens to the body physically, biologically, when the darkness comes, you know, hormonally. Just gets dark, and we got there was times you're on the trail with three, four guys, and it's like nobody's talking. I had uh this amazing playlist in my in my pocket that I told everybody, send me your songs, man. I got a you know, a long time to listen to music, and I'm just gonna listen to a playlist. I have no idea what's coming on next. I had gangster rap to mediachi music, man, on a playlist that I never once put an earbud in my ear. It just never was convenient to do, it never felt right to do. What's really interesting, Bill, is we talk about meditation and it's 10 minutes, it's 15 minutes, but when you get that long in your head, things just really get quiet, man. Like there was nothing left for me to think about and worry about or try to figure out. It was just about being present, it was so it was cool, man. It was just quiet. Like my mind wasn't telling me a bunch of crap, it was just like put one foot in front of the other and just keep going, you know. And uh I never had a doubt, like I knew I wasn't I wasn't giving up, something tragic was gonna have to happen, and I kept telling Matt, you know, hey Matt, dude, we're doing this. This isn't a maybe we're gonna get to the end, like we're making it, you know, and there was things I told people at the the start line, and I've bragged about like I don't get blisters and I don't chafe. Can't say that anymore, man. Hey, chafing is a real thing, ultra runners, man. Prepare yourself.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

Hey, wait, Bill Matthews, real quick for your boy over here and all the other runners that have not yet dealt with chafing. What what sort of uh nuggets you got? What's like what's what's the main takeaway there? Like what what maybe what parts of the body if you want to go there? I'm just I'm just curious because of course, multiple hundred races, no chafing, you're gonna expect 200 miles. Nothing's probably gonna change about that, but clearly it did.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

Well, people think of chafing like maybe my nipples got a little raw, or maybe my your thighs rubbed together. It's like no. Have you ever saw the movie Something About Mary? We're talking below the Franks and Beans, like things things are rubbing, things are moving, and not taking a shower for four nights and sweating and not being able to take care of that. Things happen in places that I didn't know that they could happen. And you just gotta if you ever run for a long time and see your salt on your hat or salt on your shirt. Well, salt is other places too, and then it goes. It's a very good point. It's a very and once it happens, it ain't stopping until you stop. So, just like everything else, you put that pain in the back pocket and go, you know what? That's not gonna stop me. You just get up and start moving. Same way with a blister, you know, the the medics at the aid station. There's four things to do in an ultra race to be successful stay on top of your nutrition. Your hydration, your feet, and your sleep, and you'll get and you'll get to the finish. You know what I mean? So um, I just kept moving. Tried to take care of it the best I can, but once once you're behind it, you're behind it, and you just got to keep moving. But guess what? I wasn't complaining shit about that either. It is what it is. Let's go. I'll take care of that later. Um, so we just kept moving, man. New pacer, you JK, my my buddies, my wife, the most exceptional people. Bill, there was time I was surrounded by five or six people, including my wife, and they're just there to take care of me for no other reason. Yes, I asked them if they'd support me. Guys like you asked if they could support me.

SPEAKER_00 22:47

You actually didn't ask me. I just I was like, I just knew I knew I wanted to be a part of it, and I wasn't certain on my ability to be present or whatever, because life happens, but I was close to it. And then as soon as you know you put it out there and I got back in touch with you, and I was like, Yeah, we're gonna do this thing.

SPEAKER_01 23:04

Yeah, and seeing and seeing that and and seeing the outpouring of love of people there to just support me, it just reminded me, man, there must be something along the way throughout the years, days, months that I've made deposits in people's lives that they just want to pay me back, you know. So anybody that that has a life today that man, make some deposits in other people's lives because there's going to be a time for a withdrawal. And nobody wanted anything for me. I tried to pay for things. I'm like, hey, no, no, no, man, we're good. And a lot of my trail buddies, that's that's what we do for each other. But when you think of the the mixture of groups of people, I had three people that are my running tribe, you know, a couple people from the program, and then I have you, this mixture of different collection of human beings that I'm part of. It was overwhelming and emotional. I cried, you saw me cry. It's emotional, it gets like, wow, man, I can't believe this is happening, you know, especially as it gets closer and closer to the end. And I get we, you know, we don't see Greg for all that time, and then we roll up on the last aid station at mile 180. We try to get a little bit of rest, and then I'm going to the medic to try to. I want to ask for an Advil, and I just hear, hey Bill, Bill. I'm like, what? I look and it's freaking great. Dude looks like a ghost, bro. It's like something. We saw people on the trail, man. You don't sleep and you keep moving. It's it's wild what you see. People are just kind of like zombies, students. You're like, hey, dude, you alright? I saw many people sitting down, like, hey, you okay? Or people sleeping, and you see all kinds of fun stuff out on the trail, right? But I look at Greg and he's broken, man. And I'm like, dude, man, what happened? He's like, dude, I don't know, man. I I laid down, I got up, I thought you guys already left, and I left. So he had been at that aid station an hour before we got there. So uh he was an hour ahead of us that whole time. He's like, dude, I don't even know how I got here. I was just wandering through the forest. I wasn't eating, drinking, sleeping, but I'm done, dude. I don't think I can make it. And I'm like, hey, bro, I'm not here to convince you of anything different. Like, I don't want you to hurt yourself, whatever, but we're we're gonna go. We have to go. Like, let me get my phone though. I want to get your number because I the whole time that we didn't see him, I'm like, I never even got the dude's phone number. So I get his number, and I'm like, hey, Greg, man, we we gotta go, buddy. We left, and within a uh a mile and a half or so, I hear the shuffling of feet behind me, and I turn around and it's freaking Greg. And he's like, Let's freaking do this. Which is such an amazing example of what we talk about and what I coach is like he had made a decision at that place that he blew it, that he can't finish, that it's too late for him, it's just not gonna work out. That's the story he told himself, therefore, that's the state of being. Like I blew it, he's just done. Somewhere between seeing me and whatever sparked that change of what if what if I get up? What if I start moving, and what if I connect to that those guys again? Can I make it? Yes, you can. And the three of us finish that freaking race together, dude.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

Yeah, you guys, you guys were a beacon. I mean, with without your presence in that moment, who knows where he would have ended up just to navigate those final steps alone, just to navigate the race in general completely alone. It's I mean, I think you're mitigating your chances of completion probably by a landslide, just not to have that moral support and um, I mean, the the level of disorientation that can occur while you're out there so sleep deprived, you forget to you just to manage yourself. That's that's really the task at hand when you're running, I mean, 100 mile races, but 200 mile races too. I was just watching a little documentary about the Cocodona 250 right before this call, and that that was a point that was brought up. And on the topic of Greg, um, it was funny because when I completed my 19 mile segment with you, uh, and for context for the listeners, I did a 19 mile, I forget which aid station to which aid station, but we left around midnight 30 to do this 19 miles overnight, finished around 9:30. I left to go get sleep because my work was done there and you were continuing onward. I saw Greg. Greg missed a turn. He's like, Do you know where the trail is? I'm like, no, I don't. I'm just I'm just a pacer. Like, I don't I don't have a map or any of that. And I'm like, use your GPS, you know, like trust the route on your phone, right? Um, that was the best I could give him. And then I keep walking, he's like 50 yards away, and then I see the trail with a marker, clearly marked. I'm like, bro, like this way. So that was funny because you were still back at the aid station with Matt receiving support and resting for a minute, eating food and stuff like that. Meanwhile, he's like a few miles ahead of you, you know. So I'm that's just so remarkable that you guys got to reconnect and then finish that last leg of the race together. And like you're you've been speaking to ultra running is not a solo endeavor, it takes a village, and I think that's just a a great insight in general as it applies to life. But you would think, like, oh, like, yeah, you're out there running on the trails, it's totally up to you. It's like, no, you definitely need support from others, even if it's indirect, you need people sending you love. Um, Mr. Bill Matthews here here is so loved that he had 300 text messages come through during the duration of the race, which I just thought was tremendous and such a beautiful reflection of the impact you have on the world. But I just want to share a little insight into you know my portion of the story there as it relates to Greg and you guys coming back together, but keep keep uh uh marching onward if you got some more there.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

Yeah, you know, JK, my first pacer, he is outstanding. You know, pacers normally are like, hey, you're looking good. They're like your hype guy. You're looking good, bro. Drink some water. Hey, when's the last time you use the restroom? Whatever. But not in this event. This event is like, hey, there's a water crossing. Hey, JK, see if you can find our way around. Next thing we know, JK is like, hey, over here. I mean, we went through multiple water crossings, some of them we got to get without getting our feet wet. Hey guys, there's other four to five water crossings, some of them knee deep, and you still got eight miles to go. This is this is an expedition, this is an adventure race. We must have climbed over 200 trees or more, 250. I wasn't counting, but man, a lot more trees than I ever wanted to see. Yeah, you know, 500,000 steps over four days to put it in context. But JK had heard Matt and I talk, and he says, Bill, I can see something right away. This is not about you finishing this race, this is about you guys finishing this race together. You want to go fast, go by yourself. You want to go far, go together. This was for me a uh a connection, an event that we were doing together. And then to have Greg, you know, finish with us was just exceptional. And the sleep, I learned that, you know, I've heard about dirt naps before, didn't realize how if I could do it, I can do it. You know, it's like we would go five miles and sit down for five minutes. We would go another five miles, we would take a 15-minute break. And yes, you can lay in the dirt, the weeds on a rock, and in 15 minutes you're snoring. And my my pacer, you, whoever, would say, Hey, I'm setting a timer, and within 15 minutes, it's time to get up, guys. And not Matt, no one complained. We just got up. Someone would try to help me get up. I'm like, I don't need help, man. I gotta do this on my own. And I would get up and I would just go. And that 15 minutes was enough. I didn't even know I fell asleep until they're like, dude, you were snoring within seconds. You know what I mean? It's like, holy crap! But as you get closer to the finish, it just gets more emotional. And I remember stopping just to pause and look back at the my pacers and just say, Hey man, I freaking love you guys, and I could not have done this by myself. This is maybe I'm the one getting the belt buckle or whatever, but this I could not have done this by myself. This is this is powerful, something that I will never ever forget. And as you come around mountain and no, and they don't make it easy, it's not all downhill to the finish line. Like, no, we're gonna make you climb a five-mile 9,000 feet, whatever it was. It was this never-ending false uh top where you thought that's gotta be it, and you the last thing you want to do is look up and see people way up above you, like, oh, it's just demoralizing. Like, man, we got to keep going, but you just keep pushing, man, pushing, pushing. But once you get close, like Matt was like a mule, man, like a stable horse. Once he knew where the stable was, he just hustled, man. I think he finished like five minutes before me because he's just like, I'm going to the barn, guys, and he's leaning and doing his thing, you know what I mean? And it was all good. Let him go, man. I I'm keeping pace with my paces. We're just kind of moving, but so much for finishing together. Yeah, you you hear the bells, man. You hear the hooting and the hollering, and it just gets so emotional. And Greg is standing next to me. He's like, Bill, man, take the lead, bro. This is your moment, and coming down and and just hugging my wife and raising my hands. Of I freaking did it. There's no more wondering if or what it, you know. I freaking did it, and I only did it as a result of believing that I could do it and putting in the hard work, you know. You have a plan, you put a plan in place, the mileage, the days. I never negotiate with the plan. If the plan said today you're running 26 miles, I never said, Nah, I don't feel like running today. I just went and did it. Does that mean life didn't get in my way and there was days I couldn't run the miles? No, but I never consciously said I don't feel like it today, or I cut down my mileage. Because if you do that, when you're on top of the mountain, when it gets really dark, that's where the lack of that crack comes in. See, you didn't put in all the work, and throughout that process of meeting that man in the dark, as I said, and this is the only time I get to see who shows up in the dark, man. It's it's the boss at the end of the freaking video game level. It's like, okay, night two is a whole nother level, bro. You're gonna meet him again, and you just push through, and that just builds confidence over the time, and finishing that race and seeing all the celebration and all that thing is just so amazing. And I remember I talked to Matt afterwards and I said, Hey, dude, man, I don't know what would have happened if I didn't meet you, because I did meet you. Thank you for navigating my way through this, dude. And he told me something, he told me a couple things. He says, Bill, you were saying things throughout the the race, like, hey, this isn't a debate whether we're gonna make it, or or maybe. You were like, Matt, we're making it, and in his mind, he said, Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, dude, don't jinx us. We got a long way to go. But he started to question himself, why is Bill able to voice these words and I'm not? And he says, Bill, God might have put you, me and your life to help navigate this. But God put you in my life to finish this race. Because he says, I don't believe Bill, I believe if you weren't there, I would have found reasons to tell myself to quit. So he was there to navigate the path. I was there to ensure that we were making it to the finish, and together unstoppable. Perfect pair. Um seeing my wife and knowing the stress that it puts everybody through, you know. Um I owe her a cruise or whatever she wants, man. My wife is one badass. Um, she's my she's my rock for sure, man, because I know the stress of getting you would think like, oh, I'm not gonna see them again for 13 hours, they're gonna go to the hotel room, get all this sleep. Like, no, it's like all this planning and moving and moving my stuff, and it just all man, it all came to fruition, man, just like I wanted it to. And I wanted to be an example to inspire other people. I want to inspire people with my my actions. People are watching. I want to encourage when I have an opportunity to talk to somebody, I want to be encouraging with my words. And if they ask me for help, I want to be of service, and that's ultimately my purpose, man. And when I relate this back to recovery, it's like find somebody that's navigated this path before, ask them to help you, and they will, you know. This mountain, if you want to use it as a metaphor, there's people ahead of me reaching back their hand to me saying, Hey man, I know the way. And then I'm just reaching behind me, grabbing somebody else, man. And together we can do some freaking pretty amazing things, like the amount of text messages, you know. Though I wasn't reading them on the mountain, just knowing that people were thinking about me, that matters. You know, it encouraged me. I knew friends were looking for me. I also know certain people looked at my tracker and thought I DNF'd and didn't text me again. And then when I posted, they're like, Oh, yeah, he finished, he freaking finished. The amount of phone calls and accolades I got is is overwhelming, man. Um one of the biggest compliments that I got was completely surprising. And uh a guy called me and says, Bill, man, I've always respected your sobriety and the man and the way you carry yourself. But after this, Bill, I want to let you know you are by far the most impressive human being I've ever met in my life, man. And I fucking cried, dude. Like in my wife, like I've never heard those words come out. That's not was not my intention. What's cool is that's the byproduct. I'm not out to impress anybody, I'm out to inspire everybody that find something that you're passionate about, believe that you're capable, and I dude, be ridiculous, like in your obsession and your ideas and uh you know your goals, be outlandish because you can reach them. Have something so scary that when you tell somebody about it, they're like, What are you gonna do? Put something on your calendar that scares you a little bit, and if it doesn't, it needs to be a little bit bigger. And uh I'm still, Bill, unraveling this whole thing, and you and I will be connected in a way that no one else can understand. And I value your friendship, your input, your insight, your the way you carry yourself, the way you represent yourself, man. And I've told you this before, man. If if our future lies in the youth, man, men like you, man, we're in really good hands, dude. I got nothing but love and respect for you.

SPEAKER_00 40:19

Thank you, man. Yeah, I mean, right back at you, as far as the influence you've had on my life and my ability to culminate myself and to the person that I am, and the enlifted community, definitely, you know, divine intervention similar to you and Matt coming together. Like, I feel like it's it's been written in the stars. So um, as you said before, two bills is better than one. And um, yeah, it's just it's just I really love you, you you walk the talk, like truly, you're out there doing the work on a daily basis and embodying representing these principles that you speak to, um, and being unwavering in doing it. So for me to witness that and absorb it certainly is an inspiration. I know I speak for many others when I say that. So I I've got another question for you, Mr. Bill Matthews. Um what what other wisdom nuggets do you have for people that are currently either climbing the mountain or maybe at the base of a mountain or even looking for a mountain to climb? What would you provide them as far as direct advice?

SPEAKER_01 41:32

It's interesting because when I made the statement before, it's like I know what my mountain is, it's a it's a physical mountain, you know. But when I tell other people to find their mountain, typically they know right away what it is. Don't judge the beginning of your climb by the end of the climb. Meaning, like, if if if I only did what I do when I felt good, like I say, don't judge the end of your run by the beginning of your run. You know how often I showed up at the beginning of a trailhead and said, just ain't feeling it today. You're not gonna feel it every day. You just do it anyway, don't negotiate with the voice that's been keeping you stuck most of your life. Do it anyway, one step, because I often will start a run feeling kind of eh. And after mile one or two, as you know, you're like, hey man, I'm feeling pretty freaking good. This is pretty awesome. And by the end of the run, I'm like, dude, I just ran like one of my fastest miles. It's not always going to be easy, it's always gonna be worth it. You will never regret going after your dream, going after whatever it is you desire. But I guarantee you, if you don't go after what you desire and what you've been dreaming about, you will regret not trying. One of the five regrets of the dying is I wished I lived a life more authentic to myself than what other people wanted of me. Chase your dreams, your goals, whatever you're passionate about it. It doesn't matter how crazy it might sound to other people, you know? Um and yeah, that's not always gonna be easy, but it's gonna be worth it. It's going and I know that's a very cliche thing, but it's true. It it is, it's it but it it but it's true.

SPEAKER_00 43:40

Yeah, I think it's like I mean this is what we truly want. Our minds may present a different story, but to like have the opportunity to go into adversity and find our way through that's that's what makes the finish line what it is, if it were a cake wine. Then what would it mean? It wouldn't mean anything. And that's where we grow the most. Our comfort zone is a plush line coffin. So to continually remain there will promote a sense of stagnancy. So like it's interesting because we have this dichotomy of like wanting comfort, which we need comfort and we need to be able to take space to restore and recuperate and integrate and all that. And then the other part of you know who we are really craving to be put in the arena, actually, um, and to be put to the test. And that's where we feel the most alive. And what's good about that is the more we do that, the more receptive and open we become to adversity. We start to reframe it in our minds, and it becomes something that we see as an opportunity versus a problem or something we dread, or whatever the case may be. And there's a lot of neuroscience behind this speaking to this region of the brain called the anterior mid-singulate cortex. Have you heard of this? Yeah. So basically, um anytime you do something you don't want to do, this region of the brain grows and it makes doing things you don't want to do become easier. Ideally, the things you're doing that you don't want to do are things that like um you know grow you in a certain way. But essentially, this region of the brain is also it's the seat of willpower and it's also the seat of the will to live. So doing challenging things is fundamental to actually feeling at peace within our lives and content with who we are. So that that's why I really love running because it's it it trains and grows this region of the brain and it's it's relatively accessible. It's not anything incredibly complicated or complex. It's just you know, foot strike after foot strike. I'm just deciding to get outside and doing this thing, even though maybe I don't want to do it today. And as a distance runner myself, yeah, there's there's definitely days where I'm not feeling it, but typically, yeah, there's a point at which um things shift and I feel better. And then sometimes there's runs where I I'm not enjoying the process at all from start to finish. But yeah, I think just a really good lesson being derived from all of this is that seek thing, seek your mountain, like you're saying. Seek something that's really gonna put you to the test and um call on the entirety of your being to step up to the plate.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

Absolutely. It's it's it's interesting where I was thinking a couple of different things. It's like whoever's listening to this, man, don't judge your your you against me. It's like someone asked me, it's like, how do you go from never running you know, in in in 2011 to running 200 miles? You don't you don't go from never running to running 200 miles, you go from never running to getting your butt outside, walking around the block, or trying to jog to a telephone pole to another. But you're not here to compete with me, and I'm not here to compete with you. Um I'm my only competition, I'm the limiting factor of of anything. It's just me against me. That's the that's the battle, you know, and I'm not here to compete against anybody, I'm here to contribute as as a whole. Uh, we're all uniquely designed to um fulfill some path here as we have this, you know, this earthly meat suit, you know, that I get to wear for about 90 years. Um, I'm having this amazing uh spiritual experience here. Um and it'll all come to an end that someday. And uh I want to live my life to the fullest. And you brought up enlifted, obviously, that's the core. I mean, if if this ain't the practical application of the enlifted tools, which is really a a system of working on your mindset, and what is mindset? It's the story you're telling yourself to yourself, you know. And uh if you continue to tell yourself a story that you're too old and you don't have what it takes, and things don't work out for you, you're right. But if you begin to tell yourself a story, you're the right age and you can accomplish great things, you're right as well. So this training my internal dialogue to tell me that what if the good shit happens has really changed my life, you know. And when we talk about 100 hours of never speaking a negative word, that's not by mistake. That came from years of me practicing what happens when I do speak negative things out of my mouth. Well, then you focus on the negative because your story creates your state of being, your feelings, and your feelings dictate what actions that you're gonna take. So it's like pay attention to the story that you're telling yourself. It's it's um it's important, it's the key, it's the message. The message is life is not happening to me, it's happening through me through the stories I continue to tell myself. And nobody's telling me the stories, I'm telling me the stories. So change your story, change your freaking life. And it it's a simply stated, and there's a method to doing it. And if you want to know the method, reach out to me. I'll I'll give it away for free. You know what I mean? That things are possible.

SPEAKER_00 49:43

Yeah, I I mean, and we we've spoken to and lifted a couple times uh over this podcast and and the last podcast as well. And for the listeners, it's uh mindset coaching certification and community speaking to the mechanics of how to practically curate your own mindset and really just learning how to observe the story you're telling yourself and how that influences your physiology, um, your beliefs, and therefore the reality that you experience. So, anyone that's curious about that, definitely check out the inlifted method, go on YouTube, check out Spotify, just incredibly valuable tools. And, you know, one of the main focuses of what I'm we're creating with the high wellness and social and this podcast in general is helping people awaken. And this is one of the most simple ways to go about it. I think there's many doorways. Um, you know, physical challenges, movement, and things like that are one journaling, reading, you know, there's so many wreaths out there, authentic connection with other people, but just it um as far as knowing oneself, the enlifted method is just such a great access point for starting to yeah, write a story that you actually feel good about and that you feel empowered in, and that is accurate and one where you're the hero instead of the victim. So um these are the tools Bill and I both use on a daily basis. Bill uses them with his clients and you know, fundamentally life-changing in so many different ways. I think it's so important that we all wake up to our choice and ability in being able to do this and and in our ability to be able to incorporate these things and become better people in the world so that we can be positive influences, so we can be the beacons, we can be the lights, and that can ripple outwards because that's the biggest impact we can make, and that's what we have most control over.

SPEAKER_01 51:42

Yeah, man. Shout out to Mr. Mark Englan, the OG, and Mr. Adam Chin for for continuing to be out there and teach this method, and uh yeah, it's interesting because the analogy is is this so everybody knows what a snow globe is, right? It's like that's what the inside of my mind used to look like all the time.

SPEAKER_00 52:05

I'm just Bill's holding a snow globe for anyone wondering on that.

SPEAKER_01 52:08

Yeah, and if you just if you just stop for a second, everything settles, man. Just pause, breeze, allow the chaos, and ultimately, I'm holding the snow globe. I used to live inside of it, being the participant of the story, and now holding it in my hand, I'm the freaking observer. Story in your head has no beginning and no end. A story on paper, you physically see the beginning and you see the end. A story out of your head and on paper, you become the observer. Why? Because you're not thinking about the story, you're looking at the story and the words that are making it up. Change the words, change the feeling. It's just it's interesting. You go from victim to creator. You know, I lived a long, you know, I spoke in the first podcast about the chess, chess playing chess. It's like if you write out the word reacting and creating, both the same letters, just moved around, mean completely different things. How long did I live my life reacting to everybody and everything? And now today I am creating the life I want through the power of my own thoughts because we're creating our own reality. If you don't like what you're seeing and and how you're living, you get to change that any moment you want, and that's not woo-woo. You know, manifestation is not magic. I mean, it's magical, but there's mechanics behind it, and it starts with the power of thought, imagination, and words, and getting it on paper and visualizing. You know, people talk about the secret, the movie The Secret got a bad rap because you know, vision boards, the law of attraction. That shit is real. But there's if you think about the law of attraction, what's the last six letters of the word attraction? Action. You can create a vision board and see it, but I had to take some freaking action. You know, I'm not just gonna sit in my room and not train and visualize myself crossing the Tahoe 200. That would have never worked. But seeing is the beginning of believing. If you can see yourself accomplishing it and believe that, then you can reverse engineer that. Well, if I've accomplished the Tahoe 200, I wonder what somebody that accomplished that did on a daily basis. Probably took care of his nutrition, slept fairly decent, and put in a whole bunch of miles. And I am not all hustle and all grind. I I don't, I'm not that guy. I'm not David Goggins. He's got his message and his people, but I am all all gas, no break, or you know, all output, no input. The the math doesn't work. Paul Check talks about working out and working in. I do believe in rest and recovery. And you know, after the taco 200, I took a whole five days off.

SPEAKER_00 54:58

Oh, just a whole five days.

SPEAKER_01 55:02

I didn't run, I didn't do anything, and and trust me, it was actually hard to do because my instinct is to run and to to move. So, but I allow myself to rest and recover, and I don't go run a hundred miles a week every week. My average mileage is about 25 to 30 miles a week. You know what I mean? I'll run Monday through Thursday, take Friday off, go for a decent run on Saturday, take Sunday off. Time with the wife. You know, I want my body to recover. I don't train for ultras all the time, and I don't have anything on the calendar right now. I will do a 100 miler next year somewhere. Yeah, because that's easy. It's like half. Just kidding. Hundred milers are complete, completely different races. They're a lot faster, you have a lot tighter cutoff windows. Uh, this multi-day event is designed. This is this is an endurance expedition, is what it was, man. And running has been my teacher. At first, it taught me you ain't really good at running, but it also taught me if you keep going, you can get better. And now it it taught me that I'm capable of some pretty bitching things, man. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:11

And how how does this uh the the Tahoe 200 measure up to the hundred-mile races you've done as far as difficulty level, perceived difficulty level? Are they different different arenas or just it's completely different?

SPEAKER_01 56:26

I've missed cutoffs at a hundred-mile race, I've run hundred-mile races when I was sick. I've uh I've done really well. It's just a different type of race because it's not a multi-day event. Um, in fact, the Tahoe 200, they don't even like to call it a race, they just call it a run. Um, there is people that are phenomenally fast at these things. Um, yeah, just completely different things. But to go through four nights, I mean, if you listen to the you know, on the first podcast, obviously, I had a plan 80 hours. You made plans, God laughs, just get it out there and freaking do it. It took me 20 hours longer. However, I realized that going with Matt at the beginning, like I was gonna sacrifice speed for completion. I made that decision somewhere, like I could be going faster, but could I go further? I sacrificed my needs for the the benefit of us together.

SPEAKER_00 57:34

Yeah, that's that's incredible discernment. So it wasn't it wasn't about your own physical capacities, it was about staying with Matt, that specific decision, or absolutely at the beginning.

SPEAKER_01 57:44

I realized, well, I could be going a lot faster. There were times that you were with me, I could have gone faster. Yeah, I chose to go at the momentum we were going as a team because the team was more important than me. And I knew that finishing in any capacity, ain't nobody looking at my Tahoe finish going, Well, wow, it took them 100 hours, it took these guys seven. It doesn't matter because they're not my competition. It's the where I'm not competing with anybody. That wasn't my goal. My goal was to prove to other people that if you can endure and stay in the pocket long enough, you can accomplish good things, whether it's your business staying sober. It's the people that are willing to endure the difficult things and keep moving forward that achieve the goal. So many people give up, whether it's digging for gold and they sell their land, and the guy comes over, digs two feet, and hits the main vein. It's like, dude, it was right there, bro. So many people get stuff, and we saw people out on the trail, they give up. Some of them are not physical, it's a mental thing, man, of just keep going, man. The reward is on the other side, man. Don't give up. Because anybody that gave up mentally knows that when they woke up in the next morning, whether they claimed it was another issue to thy own self-be true, they're like, shit, I gotta get that back out there and do that again. Um, I I'm not saying I'll never run another 200 miler, but I can have a different attitude when I when I show up. I've learned some things to prepare a little differently, a little different equipment, and a little different nutrition. Uh yeah, man. It like I said, I'm still floating from that. And it was two weeks two weeks ago right now, I would have been, you know, three hours into the race already. So it's uh it's been it's been a couple weeks. Um it's still it was a one-time event. That was a one-time event, though. You you know, every event that we do and experience that we have, it only happens one time. If we tried to all be there together next year or two years from now, something would be different. You know, Adam showing up and and doing you know, 30-something miles at the end, it's like he is amazed at all the things that transpired and and just everybody playing their part in these little nuggets. And uh, I'm not so good at being the star of the show, and it's very humbling, and the the words and the things that I get back. Uh I I want I'm I want to remain humble and I think I think part of the reason you are the star of the show is because you're so humble.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:38

Like that's I think that's something that attracts people, and it's rare because a lot of people make it about them. We all have egos, right? So it feels good to be recognized, acknowledged. And I mean you know you know enough about celebrating the the wins to to know that there's there's a balance to be had, right? But your intention has remained true as far as um it being about the whole versus just yourself.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:04

Yeah, man, it's I'd rather see us all win than just one guy get this get the spotlight, you know. Uh I spent some time in Costa Rica at a retreat. My wife and I were laying uh in a meditation, and I I just remember looking at my wife and saying, Man, I want to shine. My goal is to shine my light on her. You know, I get accolades because of the things I do and I put myself out there. My wife is so wonderful and creative and such a shining star. And it's like, man, I want to shine my light on her. I want her to get the recognition she deserves. She's so humble, and like she's a great artist, whether it's jewelry or you know, pottery now, and she's just such an amazing human being, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:54

And yeah, I was so um, I really was inspired by when we were at the aid station, you just rolled in in the evening there, and all you were saying is, I love you so much, babe. I love you so much. It was just so amazing and rejuvenating to witness to see you know two individuals that have walked the path for many years and still have that level of love for one another. Because I remember a conversation we had on the trail, uh, referring to somebody uh in your community saying that he didn't even say I love you to his wife, nor did his wife say it back. And the state of affairs with relationships, um present day in American culture, I'm sure world culture in general is pretty, pretty sad. The bar is very low, so it's promising to see two people that are you know still that loving towards one another. Um, and behind every great man is an even greater woman. So shout out Gail Matthews. I was so happy to get to connect with her more. Um, because yeah, Bill, Gail, and I, for the listeners, we've had one other in-person experience together in Austin, Texas, and those things fly by. So it's just cool to see the whole dynamic, everyone working together, how she supports you, how you guys work and collaborate together in general. And um, yeah, I just wanted to share a little bit about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:24

Yeah, I mean, we've been together since we were kids, man. You know, I think she was 22, I was 25, we got married, just kids, man. We've been married for 34 years, and uh, we've had our issues and trials, uh uh, and all the things that happen in a young relationship, and uh, we never gave up on each other. Uh, so many men, life gets tough, and they're like, Oh, I'm just gonna go find a new relationship. It's like when I work with men, I'm like, you can you're gonna get to five years every time, and when it gets to this point, you're gonna give up, you're just gonna be right back here again. You know, people often want what my wife and I have as a relationship or what I have in sobriety, but they they they don't want to do what I did to get it. Like, you've got to go through the dark times to get to the light, you know. And if you ask my wife and I what the key to a long-lasting marriage is, we would both say the same thing. It takes two good forgivers, because I'm gonna be a knucklehead at times, and she'll forgive me. And guess what? She has her turn, and I forgive her. We don't go to bed mad. I know some people, whatever. It's like, you know, we have whatever disagreements, but we don't go to bed mad. We have an evening ritual of Palo Santo, we pray, we clean, we clear, we dispel all negative energy before we go to bed, all it woo-woo, whatever, but it works with us because we do it with an intention to go to bed, loving each other, and we kiss each other every night before we go to bed. And uh the the I love you, I was like, man, I I don't know when's the last time I hung up the phone with my wife and didn't say I love you.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:08

Yeah, it's not even a conscious thought, it's just who you guys are and what you've worked to cultivate to the point of like it's just embodied and you guys emanated, and it's really cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:19

Well, good. I I want to be an example that you know, not only are there physical capabilities for people, there's also romantic. It's like you can have a long-lasting, beautiful relationship. Uh, I would say my wife and I are closer today than we've ever been, and it's so much more than anything I could have ever imagined. Um, and that doesn't mean it's always rainbows, butterflies. We have our discussions, but we've also learned how to communicate. You know, if I'm ever having a conversation with my wife and my voice gets loud, she gets to say something and puts me in my place, and she'll say, Hey, where's your sunshine? And that means I have to pause and I have to take three breaths. And then I could re-engage in the conversation. But that cognitive shift, because I'm reacting, I'm defending. It's like, whoa, that's not how I want to represent myself. And guess what? I get to say that to her too. Because that's not how we decide that we're going to communicate with one another. You know, oftentimes, especially growing up, uh I watched my father tell my mom what to do, and she did it. And if she didn't, she paid a price. So if that's my lesson, I understood that if I want to get my way in life, but my chest gets bigger, my voice gets louder, my wife shuts up and does what I want her to do. But now I don't have a loving partner. I have a victim. And I have a wife that's afraid to speak her mind because she doesn't want me to blow up. I don't want that. I don't do that. I want my wife to be able to express her thoughts and feelings, not take it so personal and need to defend. You know, I long time ago, I stopped telling my wife what I think she should do and how she should think. Instead, I started asking her, why do you think that way? Why do you see things that way? When I started asking questions, I got a way deeper insight into how she sees the world. Because if my head is a projector, my eyes are the lens in which I see the world, she's watching a different movie than me. She's a female, born somewhere different. We all have this whole different thought process of how things work. And when I start inquiring, now I can have a better understanding of how to communicate with my wife. But me telling her what she needs to be doing has never worked. Trust me. But yeah, man, I I could not be more blessed, man, than to have my wife support me in my shenanigans and I want to support her in hers, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:44

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, way to do the generational healing and you know, transcend those conditions and programs, uh, that which you had observed and gone through with your father, because wow, like drastically different landscape culturally, time-wise, what was acceptable, what wasn't, and then cultivating a new path forward is just so beautiful and so needed, right? As many of us know, how challenging that is to find our way in relationship to our romantic partners most specifically, but to the world in general, and how do we be loving, how do we be compassionate, how do we be forgiving, and how do we be the light, right? And you're you know a prime example of that. Um, one more thing. So you don't got anything on the calendar for next Ultra event. Generally, you do for a hundred mile or next year, but aside from that, what is another mountain that you're currently climbing? Maybe it's uh a personal endeavor, maybe it's a professional endeavor. Um, would love to just explore that in brief, and then we can bring the show to a close.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:49

My main focus now is how do I take all of what just happened and catapult that into helping as many men that I can reach their full potential, whatever that is, and it doesn't have to be physical, it's just physical for me. You know what I mean? I want to show as many men possible how to apply these tools in their lives, especially sober men that are just sober. Like, just being sober sucks. Like, I want you to so be sober and thrive. These tools will help in any way, but right now I want to continue to grow my business. I don't even like to call it a business, but it's a business, you know. I'm I'm a coach, I'm a transformational coach. I'm helping men realize their full potential and go. Lots of men come to me for weight loss and this and that. It's like I've helped people not and I not even give them a diet and they've lost 20 pounds. I'm like, it's pretty amazing, isn't it? Because we start with what's the story you're telling yourself. So, right now, that is my mountain. My mountain is to help as many people as I can. And if this is a tool to do that, I want that to be. If anybody was to reach out to me, I am open to have conversations and I make it very easy to move forward with me. I remove lots of barriers. So if you think I can't afford that or I can't do that, don't let that be the story you're telling yourself. Reach out to me for sure, because I'm a man that wants to help. Some of the people that need the help the most can't afford high-quality, overpriced coaching. That's not what I'm here for. I believe the universe will take care of me if I take care of people. That's just been my philosophy. Hey, it's worked out. It's working out. I I that's my mountain. My mountain is to help as many people as as I can. I had a goal at the beginning of the year to help 100 men, and that's what I'm continuing to strive to do.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:49

Let's help that man, let's help, let's help this man meet that goal. Where can they find you, Bill Matthews, to work with you?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:55

Oh, primarily, yeah, primarily on Instagram. I mean, I'm on LinkedIn too, it's Bill Matthews, but Bill Matthews on Instagram, story state coaching. That's the framework of what I do. What's the story you're telling yourself? What state of being is that creating? What actions are you taking or not taking from that state? And what results are you getting? Because if you don't like your results, let's change your story. So that's where to find me. I'm there every day. I post every day on Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:22

Every damn day. He's making the deposits. Let's go. Let's get our sale.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:26

Man, make deposits, make deposits, yeah, man. Spread some spread some love and some positivity. Um, would love to be of service to to any and Bill. If there is ever any way, anything I can do for you, you know I got your back, especially your first 100 miler. I don't care if it's in Hawaii, wink wink, they have hundred milers in Hawaii. I'm gonna have to look into that. Where wherever it is, it's on me, and I will be there to support you in whatever capacity you ask me to be.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:00

Thank you, brother. I look forward to the day. Uh, with that, Space for Being Podcast. I'm your host, Bill Robertson. If you derive value from the show and you want to support it, share it with a friend, spread the love, pollinate that shit. And follow us on Instagram, Space for Being Podcast, uh, at HiveMKE, for the Hive Wellness and Social, YouTube, all major streaming platforms. Subscribe. That's a great way to just keep this ball moving forward. And with that, we love you all. Big smooches, go forth and prosper, and we'll see you at the next show. Adios.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:35

Be bitching.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:36

Be bitching, y'all.