# 90 - The Killer Episode!: The Bebop Boys Talk The Menendez / Herndandez Shows!

Welcome back to the bebop podcast!!! On this episode, Anthonio talks being silent during sex! Weird! Then we get into the Akasa Case & The Peterson murders! Finally, we discuss the morality of murder dramas like the Jeffrey Dahmer, Aaron Hernandez & Menendez Brother shows ! Are they right? Are they wrong? Find out on this episode of The Bebop Z! Buckle up space cowboy/girl! 

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Transcript

Nick - Episode 90:
[0:55] I like that Polish kielbasa.

Persia - Episode 90:
[0:57] And mic check, mic check. If the feds start catching up in space so long, I'm getting used to us. I'm talking about trains, shapes, blocks, all types of all shit. I'm talking about where we need a fork.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:09] Mike.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:09] I plead the fifth.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:10] If the feds start.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:12] Catching up in space so long, I'm getting used to us.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:15] Suiting up.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:16] Nobody's hearing you.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:17] Antonio apparently said that he is silent. He has silent sex.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:23] Don't have silent sex. It's a fucking silent movie.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:25] I just don't be like I cause like also I feel like my voice isn't sexy even if it's being why am I talking about this in there?

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:34] You gotta practice it.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:35] I don't know. I don't feel like my like do you hear how nasally my voice is and shit?

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:39] It's okay.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:39] You gotta practice it.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:40] Practice it in the mirror.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:41] Be like hey baby you like that? Yeah.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:46] Big tone. Big tone not the little one.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:48] Yeah. You like that?

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:50] Yeah.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:51] Then you gotta ask them what's the sound they make when you put it in.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:54] I did say I was like, fuck, you make my dick so hard.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:56] That's a good one. See, there you go.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[2:00] I do that. And yeah.

Leer - Episode 90:
[2:04] You got about a...

Nick - Episode 90:
[2:06] You're like Batman action science.

Leer - Episode 90:
[2:08] A wider vocabulary of words than uh.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[2:11] Right, pal. See you in there like this. Yeah, it's like, I don't think my voice is sexy. So like...

Nick - Episode 90:
[2:17] But the other person might. This ain't about you.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[2:20] I know, but like, I'm too...

Nick - Episode 90:
[2:22] Don't be in your head during sex.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[2:24] It's the tism so like i'm too in my head how.

Leer - Episode 90:
[2:27] Does autism activates during.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[2:28] Sex i love.

Nick - Episode 90:
[2:29] Trains shapes are pretty.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[2:38] So yeah a couple pumps i just that's how i count myself so i don't come fast oh my fucking god oh make it make uncomfortable me.

Leer - Episode 90:
[2:47] And purge uncomfortable.

Nick - Episode 90:
[2:47] No i think purge is just i don't know what he's doing actually let's I.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[2:52] Think he's prepping.

Leer - Episode 90:
[2:54] You better hurry up.

Persia - Episode 90:
[2:55] There's a lot to process in this conversation.

Nick - Episode 90:
[2:59] Prep time. I just said you were giving prep time.

Persia - Episode 90:
[3:03] How was your weekend, Lear?

Anthonio Episode 90:
[3:04] Not the weekend update.

Leer - Episode 90:
[3:05] Not important. I went to our show.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[3:10] I will say.

Leer - Episode 90:
[3:11] Is that what you sent us? Oh, yeah, he did. Bro, I thought that was you on the picture.

Persia - Episode 90:
[3:15] What?

Leer - Episode 90:
[3:16] Because it looked like you. When did you send him in a doggy mask?

Nick - Episode 90:
[3:20] Oh, that's racist.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[3:22] Sexual, right?

Leer - Episode 90:
[3:23] The doggy mask?

Wes - Episode 90:
[3:25] No, saying it was him.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[3:26] Yeah.

Nick - Episode 90:
[3:27] Well, he has an inner wolf.

Leer - Episode 90:
[3:30] Raised by the wolves.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[3:31] Oh got that.

Leer - Episode 90:
[3:32] Dog in me.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[3:33] Oh you.

Persia - Episode 90:
[3:36] Know wolves are actually big as fuck yeah.

Wes - Episode 90:
[3:38] Huge they're like.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[3:39] Yeah i was twilight three.

Wes - Episode 90:
[3:41] Times the size of even like a german shepherd yeah.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[3:44] Like there's no joke there's.

Nick - Episode 90:
[3:47] A twilight is scary.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[3:48] That man in twilight that man imprinted.

Nick - Episode 90:
[3:50] Himself on a baby bro.

Leer - Episode 90:
[3:51] He he was.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[3:52] Diving blame the fucking weird bitch who wrote the books yeah well she's a mormon and And I feel like that whole story was like a euphemism for her very sad love life.

Nick - Episode 90:
[4:04] No, it started out as fan fiction for fucking Fifty Shades of Grey.

Persia - Episode 90:
[4:08] No, Fifty Shades of Grey was fan fiction of Twilight.

Nick - Episode 90:
[4:12] Oh, shit.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[4:13] You can't tell?

Nick - Episode 90:
[4:14] How the fuck? No, I never watched either one.

Leer - Episode 90:
[4:15] Hold on. I want to ask Antonio about the art show. How was it?

Anthonio Episode 90:
[4:19] Oh, thank y'all.

Leer - Episode 90:
[4:21] Yeah, how was it?

Anthonio Episode 90:
[4:22] No. It was nice. It was really dope. So it was in Detroit.

Persia - Episode 90:
[4:26] Don't say it like that.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[4:28] Ferndale no it was in Detroit it was near Indian Village or West Village now what.

Leer - Episode 90:
[4:32] Are they calling it now.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[4:33] West Villages whatever the white people call it now after they, colonized the area how you gonna colonize an already colonized area because you know that area is already like big houses and stuff like that so it was real nice I love doing shit like that I love doing art shows and doing weird stuff like that did.

Leer - Episode 90:
[4:50] You go by yourself.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[4:51] No I went with my ex who is now my homie, It's a complicated relationship. We can talk about that after the pod.

Persia - Episode 90:
[4:58] Yeah, I got questions.

Leer - Episode 90:
[4:59] I got questions, too. Was that the nigga you was doing the sounds with? The train sounds?

Anthonio Episode 90:
[5:03] I fucking hate you.

Leer - Episode 90:
[5:08] So besides the picture of Persia, what else you see?

Anthonio Episode 90:
[5:12] If that wasn't Persia, I'm going to send you the pic. Oh, you got the pic in the group chat. Just post it. We got to credit him, though. We can't do it. Never mind. We can't do that.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[5:22] Credit that nigga. I don't know if I had the shit. the picture detroit but anyway show nigga it was dope it was the indian village oh i saw a big uh nice installation so the lady took all like different liquor store signs i think i have a video of it and she uh made an installation and it just rotated and it had different liquor door liquor store signs uh like 24 hours hot sandwiches pizza the different uh pictures and stuff and like as a person who i grew up in like it was literally stuff taken out of that area and i grew up over in indian village actually so it was kind of nostalgic for me like i almost got emotional watching it because i literally reminded me of shit that i saw on my blog on jefferson on van dyke on lafayette growing up um and some like white lady made it or whatever she said she's like did it because you know she's noticing all those stuff is going away in that area um and you know because of.

Leer - Episode 90:
[6:17] Her people i was just about to say whose fault is that.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[6:21] And it's crazy and it's also crazy because like you know it's not that we don't have liquor stores in the suburbs right but they look very different that too but they're also in like you know liquor stores in the city are like built in like brick houses and shit these are the liquor stores out here in the suburbs are like built in like shopping centers.

Leer - Episode 90:
[6:42] They don't know we in the suburbs we could be in the hood we could be in.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[6:45] The trap right now we've been in Rochester for the last two years, three all right so not flint so yeah it was um it was a very good art show i love doing shit like that i told you i do weird shit like i don't just like i'm not didn't.

Nick - Episode 90:
[6:58] Invite us and that's fine it's.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[6:59] I went with homeboy he.

Nick - Episode 90:
[7:00] Was on a date i don't.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[7:02] Care you.

Nick - Episode 90:
[7:04] Could have been like hey there's this art show going on.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[7:06] Just my nigga in there he's just my nigga who i don't.

Nick - Episode 90:
[7:09] Know what we are then so it's.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[7:10] Fine you my niggas but like.

Wes - Episode 90:
[7:12] It could have been a.

Leer - Episode 90:
[7:13] Three man so he can't take us to the fucking museums and shit.

Nick - Episode 90:
[7:17] Wait a minute. Keyword is yet.

Persia - Episode 90:
[7:20] What the fuck?

Nick - Episode 90:
[7:22] Opportunities may arise. Opportunities may arise.

Leer - Episode 90:
[7:25] Not yet.

Persia - Episode 90:
[7:26] Keep an eye on Lear. Let's get the money and that's it. Keep an eye on Lear moving forward.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[7:33] I like how you scored away from me.

Nick - Episode 90:
[7:38] He's leaning more towards you actually.

Persia - Episode 90:
[7:40] Keep an eye on Lear moving forward.

Leer - Episode 90:
[7:44] I mean, shit, if I can go to the museum, I have to.

Persia - Episode 90:
[7:47] This nigga said he ain't pop us yet. Us, all of us. We volunteered.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[7:54] Just talk about a train.

Nick - Episode 90:
[7:56] There goes that autism.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[7:58] Choo-choo.

Leer - Episode 90:
[7:59] Look like human centipede.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[8:02] I'm in the back. I'm just letting you know, I'm at the back end. I'm not doing that.

Nick - Episode 90:
[8:06] You're at the back end of human centipede. You're eating the shit of two people's processed shit.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[8:10] I'm thinking penetratively. I'm not thinking of the movie just straight up. I'm not eating anyone's ass.

Nick - Episode 90:
[8:15] Have you watched Human Centipede?

Anthonio Episode 90:
[8:16] Yeah, I have.

Leer - Episode 90:
[8:17] Okay, all right.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[8:18] We're still getting the ass-to-mouth train. Anyways, but yes, the art show was very nice. I'll show y'all the installation I was talking about. in a second but um but yes it was very nice oh yeah we could do stuff like that anytime,

Anthonio Episode 90:
[8:31] sure that's your bitch ass wine and dynas bro uh we went to the mercury bar afterwards i got a 16 dollar burger no no the order was 16 these little 16 dollar burger and fries did you hit afterwards yeah i did actually okay how was your weekend i did we.

Leer - Episode 90:
[8:49] Got a you know.

Nick - Episode 90:
[8:50] I don't remember it okay.

Leer - Episode 90:
[8:52] Like me first i don't remember all right.

Nick - Episode 90:
[8:55] Ah wait let me try hold on let me think let me think um michael persia i can't dad name him he gets mad at me uh was i at home i don't remember if i was at home i don't know what today is wednesday shit i don't know nope nothing i don't remember i.

Leer - Episode 90:
[9:12] Just know i watched a lot of docs over the weekend why four of them four of them bitches.

Nick - Episode 90:
[9:17] Did you watch the scott peterson one were you watching peterson what did you what do you real quick thoughts and feelings do you think he did it.

Leer - Episode 90:
[9:24] Uh yes yeah.

Nick - Episode 90:
[9:26] From what.

Leer - Episode 90:
[9:27] I remember yes i believe he did i don't think my girl think he did it but i think he did do that shit that wasn't agreed he did that.

Nick - Episode 90:
[9:34] Shit like a lot of there's a there's a huge group that think he doesn't he didn't do it there's a huge group that think he did do it really why interesting there is no physical evidence that he was just good it's just it's just a lot of um yeah it's like very coincidental like he bought a boat the the month she went missing he had never boated before he got his boating license that year that month too and then he was dating this woman and that was the biggest part was the woman he was dating because she found out he was married and like, I'm going to watch that in a second. But the woman, he was dating that girl, and then she found out he was married because she didn't know he was married. And she was like, why didn't you tell me you were married?

Leer - Episode 90:
[10:18] Bitch, why do you want to know?

Nick - Episode 90:
[10:19] And he was like, my wife died a year ago, and this is my first holiday without her. Mind you, two weeks later, his wife goes missing. But he said that to her. He was like, this is my first holiday without her. Little did he know, that man could see that his observation hockey was insane, because he could see the future. well.

Wes - Episode 90:
[10:36] Don't we gotta.

Persia - Episode 90:
[10:36] Say because he did it.

Wes - Episode 90:
[10:37] On top on top of that he told the cops he was riding his boat in the same exact area of where they ended up recovering her body and the baby's body.

Nick - Episode 90:
[10:47] I was gonna say their bodies washed up on shore right in.

Wes - Episode 90:
[10:51] That bay where he said he was riding his boat.

Nick - Episode 90:
[10:53] Yeah but and also he said he only made one anchor and they were like my mans you made six what uh but again they had no physical evidence.

Persia - Episode 90:
[11:02] But that's when when did this occur.

Nick - Episode 90:
[11:04] 2000 and i want to say like seven was it.

Wes - Episode 90:
[11:08] Yeah it was around that time.

Nick - Episode 90:
[11:09] Around that time or no social media wasn't even a thing really yeah.

Wes - Episode 90:
[11:13] I think it was like 2004 ish.

Nick - Episode 90:
[11:15] It was all over national news and everything yeah he went on trial he was on.

Wes - Episode 90:
[11:20] Death row and then.

Nick - Episode 90:
[11:21] They removed the.

Wes - Episode 90:
[11:23] Death row on him because they felt like i.

Nick - Episode 90:
[11:26] Thought they removed the death row from that state like they i i don't remember i think i.

Wes - Episode 90:
[11:31] Don't i'm pretty sure they removed it in the state i think if he was part of the.

Nick - Episode 90:
[11:36] Case because.

Wes - Episode 90:
[11:37] Like they only had circumstantial evidence no dna evidence or.

Nick - Episode 90:
[11:42] Anything of.

Wes - Episode 90:
[11:42] The sort like his house was clean like there's no blood there no like.

Nick - Episode 90:
[11:47] Yeah they they had no physical evidence that was that was my thing about that because it i mean the death penalty to me is a very sticky situation i feel like you should have physical evidence or like because they've killed people off.

Leer - Episode 90:
[12:00] Of dna and you see what happened recently yeah where.

Nick - Episode 90:
[12:04] The guy.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[12:04] They had no evidence against him and they still gave him to death.

Nick - Episode 90:
[12:07] Yeah and i don't like i don't think you should do that because they've mistakenly killed people well that's.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[12:11] Why they're trying to get that's part of the reason why they try to get rid of the death penalty because.

Nick - Episode 90:
[12:14] A lot i believe in the death penalty but i feel like it should be like you know for rapists a little bit more like but that's.

Persia - Episode 90:
[12:20] The thing in a situation like that like bro at a certain point like at a certain point what are you going to do like bro like especially at a time like that, the further you go back in time like the easier it is to fucking like put this shit together like with the fucking night stalker they knew it was him because he was biting people and he had fucked up teeth yeah and they fucked up that and then they fucked up this thing right that raid that they set up and then he got his teeth fixed yeah so then they couldn't use that evidence anymore biting people like bro like but like like but but in a situation like that like bro, like circumstances is what you need with that nigga like it just doesn't help that he was smart enough to clean his shit up so I.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[13:08] Got a question was this a documentary or was it a dramatization again it's a documentary it's a documentary it's.

Nick - Episode 90:
[13:12] A three episodes hour a piece.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[13:14] So like uh like the thing we were watching earlier this year the quiet in a sense shit uh.

Nick - Episode 90:
[13:21] In a sense yeah because yeah yeah yeah because they interview everybody and everything.

Persia - Episode 90:
[13:24] But it's like bro there was a uh my girl had me watch this Spanish show um it was called the i think the akasa case or something like that oh the akatsuki no it was uh it's about this it was a similar fucking thing it was this family it might not be akasa it was some asian name but it was like spanish no the girl it was it was a spanish it was two spanish people that adopted an asian girl oh and never heard of this their first like that was the first um i think asian adoption in that region or some shit like that so like everyone knew about it and then she ended up dying and like disappearing um or not disappearing they yeah like she.

Persia - Episode 90:
[14:24] The parents split up so she was walking from one parent's apartment to the next parent's apartment she disappeared and come to find out she she had been tied with some thread and when the cops got to the fucking parents house to like check them the mom asked if she could go to the bathroom and she there was a bathroom downstairs but she went upstairs and then the cop went and chased her upstairs and found like a thread that matched the same one that was on this girl like in her trash can and they found out that the girl had been given like like 10 times the dose of like a painkiller or some shit some crazy shit like that but it was yeah but it was but they didn't have anything 10 years they didn't they didn't have anything like concrete to To link them directly to it.

Nick - Episode 90:
[15:22] Yeah.

Persia - Episode 90:
[15:22] Um... And, like, their stories didn't make sense. Like, nothing about what they were saying made sense. Like, they were stupid. The mom was stupid. Like, everybody was dumb. Mom ended up killing herself. But, like, she.

Nick - Episode 90:
[15:36] Then I think we know who did it.

Persia - Episode 90:
[15:38] She killed herself. No, she killed herself while she was in jail.

Nick - Episode 90:
[15:41] Oh. So then she definitely.

Persia - Episode 90:
[15:42] But, like, the mom was cheating on the dad and all kinds of shit. And then, like.

Nick - Episode 90:
[15:45] Oh, I.

Persia - Episode 90:
[15:46] They were.

Nick - Episode 90:
[15:46] I'm not going to lie to you. This whole time I thought it was a lesbian couple.

Persia - Episode 90:
[15:49] No.

Nick - Episode 90:
[15:50] This whole time. I don't know.

Leer - Episode 90:
[15:51] I thought it was that Atlanta episode.

Wes - Episode 90:
[15:52] What made you think it was a lesbian couple there is no context clues that said no queer context.

Persia - Episode 90:
[15:57] At all he just heard adoption and he was like oh they can't have gotta be the left it was.

Nick - Episode 90:
[16:01] No i think i think it was jaleer's right like that uh atlanta episode just immediately whenever i hear adoption it's just i go straight to atlanta.

Persia - Episode 90:
[16:09] Yeah and then but then they were also trying to paint it like you know maybe the police were biased because the dad watched porn that had asians in it and like you know like they were basically white kid yeah i would adopt a white kid i ain't gonna stop watching white porn i don't like that have you seen jada stevens yeah come on bro i've seen.

Leer - Episode 90:
[16:34] Her lately too if.

Persia - Episode 90:
[16:36] You could i don't think i've seen her it's not your target audience, you gotta twist the category bro but but like so so they were trying to say like Like, they were essentially...

Anthonio Episode 90:
[16:50] Did you see Austin Wilde?

Leer - Episode 90:
[16:52] Does that post belong?

Nick - Episode 90:
[16:53] Send pictures.

Persia - Episode 90:
[16:54] What? So, but they were trying to say that, like, basically, they were hinting at it. And then watching this show, which is a dramatization, it's the same thing as these, but it was just in Spanish. But they were basically trying to, like, leave it... kind of up to interpretation that the police rather than like actually try and find out who it was it was like confirmation bias like they the guy that was running the case assumed that it was the parents because of how they were acting and then he just like was trying to validate that it was the parents so.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[17:34] I've heard something like this before where.

Persia - Episode 90:
[17:35] But this case it was definitely the fucking parents in.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[17:39] Other countries i've heard this before it's heard heard similar stories or similar shit like that where um and something happens interracially and the cops the investigators just refuse to deep dive deeper into it because there's a factor of it that's like not their native yeah it's i find that so weird not as.

Persia - Episode 90:
[17:59] Accepting as america they shut up they did like it was like i mean.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[18:05] Honest maybe because like yeah it's i've seen that a lot.

Persia - Episode 90:
[18:07] Well no they this was a national story there and it was a national story and, they were it was like i think that i i might be misunderstanding you but like it sounds like you're saying that the cops are more dismissive yeah this was the opposite okay no they were like how could they were like how could you how could how could someone do that to their own daughter her or something even though she was adopted yeah like they were like very they should have arrested.

Nick - Episode 90:
[18:36] The husband off.

Persia - Episode 90:
[18:37] Woody allen allegations what i'm saying is like they were very allegations fucking crazy they were just they just like had it in their head that the parents had to have done it so they weren't looking for anyone else oh okay okay and and even though i don't think they were even though i like given the information that's there you think i think that the parents definitely Definitely did do it. But... that's how they handled it still wasn't right like you still have to you can't just make the assumption and then try to prove your own assumption right like you.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[19:08] Still have verse 48 innocence or proof yes you have not.

Persia - Episode 90:
[19:12] Seen the.

Nick - Episode 90:
[19:12] First 48 because they get one suspect and they're like let's get him that's the only guy we're going after.

Persia - Episode 90:
[19:17] That bro that's that's how that's how cops fuck shit up that's that is literally how i keep an open mind you know like bro like it's like in the bedroom like no vision that's a bro that's that's for real like that's like that's what happened with the fucking uh like so what happens is it goes both ways like they have a clear idea of who did do it and then they have a clear idea of who could not have done it okay yeah so that's why there's a middle ground there though but that's why like when the fucking cops pulled off pulled over dommer while he had a fucking dead body in his car and they let him go and he was drunk driving yeah and they let him go like and then they're just like oh well you know well you know she's a good kid you're a good kid you know just go home like bro like or the fucking zodiac killer shit oh.

Nick - Episode 90:
[20:04] That was out of racism though.

Persia - Episode 90:
[20:06] But that's what i'm saying like yeah that i'm not gonna lie idea of who had to very.

Nick - Episode 90:
[20:11] Upset about that.

Persia - Episode 90:
[20:12] It's fucking ridiculous the valero uh police department was very.

Nick - Episode 90:
[20:15] I'm pretty sure that woman got.

Persia - Episode 90:
[20:16] Bro literally when you think about it from like literally every every single one of those serial killers besides like fucking ramirez every single one of them had a case like that where they were like they were the the police were just dismissed them like like dahmer they let dahmer go because he was weird and he was young and white got out of prison twice bundy walked into a crime scene he walked into a crime scene that he committed and took the earring that he left like while the cops were Can you imagine.

Nick - Episode 90:
[20:49] Bro, real quick, let's break down the insanity of that thought process where he's like, I got to get that earring back.

Persia - Episode 90:
[20:57] When you watch that, nigga, bro.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[20:58] The level of delusion and cockiness you have to have.

Persia - Episode 90:
[21:01] You're arrogant.

Nick - Episode 90:
[21:02] You have to have. Watch that Zac Efron movie.

Persia - Episode 90:
[21:04] Bro. You'll see what I'm talking about.

Leer - Episode 90:
[21:06] Let him use the phone.

Persia - Episode 90:
[21:07] So, you know.

Leer - Episode 90:
[21:08] You're in the fight.

Persia - Episode 90:
[21:09] Bro, so for me.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[21:11] They say you were in the middle of a crime scene.

Persia - Episode 90:
[21:15] Where are you?

Nick - Episode 90:
[21:16] Who are you?

Leer - Episode 90:
[21:17] I'm the guy who did it.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[21:18] This is the mayor's crime scene and you in here.

Persia - Episode 90:
[21:21] In a bat suit. In leather. In leather.

Nick - Episode 90:
[21:24] In leather.

Persia - Episode 90:
[21:25] He did it but but like bro i used to think so so before like social media and shit like was like huge and shit like i used to like research i think everyone did like you research these these crazy killers and shit like that and when you're hearing about this shit like so when i was younger and i was reading about this shit it it it came across to me like these people were just smarter than everyone else but then when I watched Ted Bundy's videos that nigga was just erratic as fuck he was just a psycho like he was just really crazy like he was like I was like this nigga is just dumb and everyone was dumber like that it was really cause like there was there's a level of confidence that.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[22:14] Has to be on everybody's.

Persia - Episode 90:
[22:16] Part to allow this to happen cause like all that this nigga had to do like understanding more of it All that this nigga had to do was what he did. Like, all he had to do was cross state lines. They had him right there. And they don't know. Like, you cross state lines? It's over.

Nick - Episode 90:
[22:33] John Wayne Gacy.

Persia - Episode 90:
[22:34] John Wayne.

Nick - Episode 90:
[22:34] Literally went to jail.

Persia - Episode 90:
[22:36] For molestation.

Nick - Episode 90:
[22:38] Yeah. And then they were like, why don't you work for the government?

Persia - Episode 90:
[22:41] Yeah, come on.

Nick - Episode 90:
[22:42] And also, here's a construction job. Go ahead and recruit any 16 to 22-year-old boy you want.

Leer - Episode 90:
[22:47] Where was having parties at his house?

Persia - Episode 90:
[22:48] Bro, there was like 15 kids that disappeared and they all worked for him.

Nick - Episode 90:
[22:53] They literally, and then it was not until they, he had cops just looking around.

Leer - Episode 90:
[22:57] I thought it was over 20.

Persia - Episode 90:
[22:59] John, could you get me a lemonade? I'm trying to figure this out.

Nick - Episode 90:
[23:01] He was tailed by the police, and he stopped, pulled over. They went into a diner together. He bought them lunch, and they became friends. And then they were like, this guy can't be the killer. So they just dismissed those two detectives. They were like, we're going to ease up a little bit because there's no way this guy could be this monster. Look how he's treating us.

Persia - Episode 90:
[23:21] Literally. What's that big guy's name?

Anthonio Episode 90:
[23:24] Crazy.

Persia - Episode 90:
[23:25] He's huge.

Nick - Episode 90:
[23:26] Oh, you talking about Richard Kalansky?

Persia - Episode 90:
[23:28] No. I was going to say.

Nick - Episode 90:
[23:28] He's not a serial killer.

Persia - Episode 90:
[23:29] No. He's just a blue collar I don't.

Leer - Episode 90:
[23:34] Know the nigga name But I know who you're talking about.

Persia - Episode 90:
[23:35] Huge What the fuck is his name You know who I'm thinking of The big dude who killed his mom I don't know He was like the The co-ed killer.

Wes - Episode 90:
[23:50] The co-ed killer.

Persia - Episode 90:
[23:51] That was his name The tall He was like 7 feet tall call it.

Wes - Episode 90:
[23:57] Bro. His name is right on the tip of my tongue.

Persia - Episode 90:
[24:02] I can see his face. He was...

Wes - Episode 90:
[24:06] Ed Gaines.

Persia - Episode 90:
[24:08] No, that's not it.

Nick - Episode 90:
[24:10] He only killed one person. He did not get away with it.

Persia - Episode 90:
[24:12] Kemper.

Wes - Episode 90:
[24:13] That's what I meant. Ed Kemper is what I meant.

Persia - Episode 90:
[24:16] He

Persia - Episode 90:
[24:18] would sit at the bar and talk to the police about the cases of his murders and the cops were like little dogging him because they thought that he was just like a cop like idolizer like they like they thought that's the ego on that that's that's what it is in all these cases they thought he was they thought that he was just like yeah that's a that's what it was mind you this This dude had like a 130 IQ or something. Like he was a, he was an actual genius, but he was in that bitch just talking to him. And then he was like, yeah, man, you know, I'm thinking it had to be whoever. And he's like, wow, that's crazy.

Leer - Episode 90:
[25:01] Damn.

Persia - Episode 90:
[25:02] I hope you guys find her.

Nick - Episode 90:
[25:03] It probably is.

Persia - Episode 90:
[25:04] And they didn't even catch him. He turned himself in.

Wes - Episode 90:
[25:06] He turned himself in. He was bored. He was like, I was literally leaving clues, just waiting for you guys. I was waiting for you guys to get me.

Nick - Episode 90:
[25:14] They, uh, bro, they had the, to just show a little bit more there was a serial killer in florida pretty sure it was florida for he i don't remember his name or nothing but i remember the acts that he would do and he would break into uh ladies houses and then cut off their heads and then position their bodies in sexual positions completely butt-ass naked right and the cops they didn't know who it was it was like that he had like seven bodies on him and they arrested a man with no evidence because he looked serial killer like. The man did nothing wrong. He just had some scars on his face. He has malibu. They finally caught the actual guy. Was the janitor of the school. Oh, yeah, it was happening at a college. So it was the janitor, regular looking guy. They didn't think it was him at all. They did end up getting evidence that it was him. You know, this, that, and the other. You can watch the documentary on YouTube.

Persia - Episode 90:
[26:05] Bro, it's so ridiculous.

Nick - Episode 90:
[26:07] And I think the problem is you're so close-minded about the case because you have an idea in your head of who it could possibly be because you're like, there's no way it could possibly be somebody like this because that seems inhuman. This person's ugly as shit. So, of course, they want to murder.

Persia - Episode 90:
[26:22] Wasn't there something like that i don't know if it was like i can't remember if this was like an actual documentary or docu-series or something or if it was just like part of a video or some shit there was something about like some kind of a killer situation and they blamed it on like a goth kid that's crazy and like that.

Leer - Episode 90:
[26:43] Wasn't cecil hotel right no he wasn't a goth kid he was a mexican he was a singer he was a singer or.

Persia - Episode 90:
[26:49] Something i don't know and.

Leer - Episode 90:
[26:50] They were like They blamed it on him and ruined his life.

Persia - Episode 90:
[26:53] It was like a goth. They blamed it on this goth kid specifically because of like, whoa, he says hail Satan and all that shit. He just showed his long legs. Yeah.

Nick - Episode 90:
[27:03] And he hasn't killed anyone.

Persia - Episode 90:
[27:05] And he's not goth looking at all.

Nick - Episode 90:
[27:08] Opposite.

Persia - Episode 90:
[27:08] He actually looks very much like a 50-year-old Sterling Heights woman.

Nick - Episode 90:
[27:15] Too much Botox. Too much Botox.

Persia - Episode 90:
[27:18] Too much. Yeah, very Chaldeans.

Leer - Episode 90:
[27:21] But no, you were talking about Dahmer, bro. The same people who made the Dahmer doc made the Hernandez, not Hernandez brothers, Menendez brothers. No, Menendez.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[27:30] Hernandez and Menendez.

Leer - Episode 90:
[27:31] Oh, Hernandez and Menendez.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[27:32] He did both of them.

Leer - Episode 90:
[27:33] Both of them.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[27:33] This nigga has a weird obsession with serial killers.

Leer - Episode 90:
[27:37] I think America has a weird obsession with serial killers.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[27:40] Yeah, that's true. But yeah, he's done both of them now. He's doing both of them. They're both airing at the same time. It's crazy. People are a little mad about the.

Leer - Episode 90:
[27:50] Not hernandez i heard people were mad about the hand we'll talk about well.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[27:54] Everybody's mad but they're making uh the brother seem a little incestual at times.

Leer - Episode 90:
[28:00] Yeah yeah they do they had them like washing up each other i've heard that.

Persia - Episode 90:
[28:03] I i heard that before this even came up oh.

Leer - Episode 90:
[28:06] Really that's kind of what their uh defense was that they were sex they were essayed by their dad so they essayed each other and then that's i don't know we're.

Nick - Episode 90:
[28:19] Not getting what's the name of that place i don't think you can essay someone who's saying you on.

Leer - Episode 90:
[28:24] Well i mean i don't.

Wes - Episode 90:
[28:27] Think it's possible for somebody to get essayed and then come back around for revenge and essay somebody else if they're both fucked.

Leer - Episode 90:
[28:34] Up like that the dad they said the dad well yeah no.

Nick - Episode 90:
[28:37] That yeah i get that but like i don't know i i mean you can you i mean you probably can it just confused me because i was like if you're both doing it.

Leer - Episode 90:
[28:45] Well each other well they kind of debunked the whole thing because one of the brothers was telling, somebody on the phone all that stuff that they were doing were lies and she was recording it and writing it down as she was talking so they had the that was they had the first one was a mistrial because they couldn't the jury was like we don't know who to believe if they killed they we know that they killed their parents but they weren't gonna give them death penalty but like they came up with the thing of oh we were SA we were sexually assaulted on it so oh was.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[29:19] It that truth though.

Leer - Episode 90:
[29:19] No it wasn't the dude was lying we don't we.

Persia - Episode 90:
[29:23] I i will i will say i i'm not gonna say you're wrong but i would say that we just we don't know.

Leer - Episode 90:
[29:29] Well you don't know that in the documentary they kind of portrayed it like they were lying yeah yeah they were lying well they also have another so.

Persia - Episode 90:
[29:37] Even if even if even if there's that weren't didn't they get caught lying about.

Leer - Episode 90:
[29:42] Other shit yeah they were like so like nigga well this is.

Persia - Episode 90:
[29:45] A case where like like If that's going to be your defense, it has to be proven that your character is sound. So when you say something like that, it's believable. If you get caught lying in anything else, they're just going to be like.

Leer - Episode 90:
[29:59] This nigga's lying. They admitted it to their therapist. Months later, afterwards, Eric admitted it to the therapist.

Persia - Episode 90:
[30:06] You got to say before, my nigga. Wait, wait, my bad. Go ahead. you you said admitted what to the therapist.

Leer - Episode 90:
[30:13] They killed their parents.

Persia - Episode 90:
[30:14] Oh like two.

Leer - Episode 90:
[30:15] Months after because they because they said they found out how they got caught.

Persia - Episode 90:
[30:19] That is not that is not privileged because they that's.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[30:23] Not uh that's not that's a qualified under.

Persia - Episode 90:
[30:24] Oh no murder is not yeah because like once it's.

Leer - Episode 90:
[30:27] A crime only in church and that's a and that's are you.

Wes - Episode 90:
[30:31] Joking allow that idea they do.

Persia - Episode 90:
[30:33] No violence any kind of my dumb ass believe you i'm like really you can't even say you can't even tell your therapist you can't tell your therapist that you are thinking about killing yourself or anything like that they'll have you isn't.

Nick - Episode 90:
[30:43] That their job i'm supposed to tell.

Persia - Episode 90:
[30:45] They will no like they'll have you committed they're.

Wes - Episode 90:
[30:47] They're there to be the person that's make like if you're in an irrational headspace and you you need the fucking decision made for you they.

Persia - Episode 90:
[30:57] Make there was a girl i talked to very different there was a girl all i talked to that happened to her like she went to she went to no nigga what she went to therapy and she said something along those lines and she just disappeared for two days i was like where the fuck are you at bro she called me and then she told me like yeah like she said that she she said something along those lines and then her therapist was like i really wish you didn't say that and that's.

Nick - Episode 90:
[31:28] Kind of rude.

Persia - Episode 90:
[31:28] That's her job because if you well.

Nick - Episode 90:
[31:30] Her job should be to protect her not wish i didn't i wish you didn't say that because now i gotta stop you from killing yourself.

Persia - Episode 90:
[31:35] That is protecting her yeah i don't want to say i wish.

Nick - Episode 90:
[31:38] You didn't say that is weird no.

Persia - Episode 90:
[31:39] I wish you didn't say i wish you didn't say that because i'm sure that under like that's like a it's like a trigger word like even if that's a red flag for her she probably she probably knew that she didn't literally mean it but she still had to follow through i would be such.

Leer - Episode 90:
[31:55] A cool therapist.

Nick - Episode 90:
[31:56] I would be a cool therapist. I'd let it slide. Like, you really thinking about it, though? Let me know right now, because if so, I'm going to call the paddy wagon.

Leer - Episode 90:
[32:04] Anyway.

Persia - Episode 90:
[32:05] He admitted it.

Leer - Episode 90:
[32:05] They admitted it to the therapist. But the therapist wanted to keep it under wraps because he wanted it to, he wanted to, like, sell it or some shit.

Persia - Episode 90:
[32:13] Damn.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[32:13] Bro.

Leer - Episode 90:
[32:14] So he called. This, the doc is, the doc is crazy. Actually, the whole event's crazy. So this nigga, the therapist, called his side chick, like, yo, come up here. come up here because these niggas are saying that they killed their parents and i kind of want to witness so she outside of the room like it's like a therapy therapist room like soundproof i didn't know that like most therapy rooms are soundproof and shit so she listening in and everything and eventually like they the they get exposed to like the police that they did kill their parents but the side chick told him because this nigga move the girl into his house with his family, And she was, like, she was telling these kids, like, yo, I'm going to be your new mom. I'm going to do this for you. I'm going to do that for you. So she was already crazy.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[33:03] So they have a B plot.

Leer - Episode 90:
[33:04] Yeah. Well, it happened all in, like, the second episode, which was kind of, like, weird. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Why did they just switch it over to this?

Nick - Episode 90:
[33:12] You got to keep some more story because you can probably wrap that story up in an episode.

Leer - Episode 90:
[33:16] Well, you got to create drama. But they kind of just, like, kind of went along the lines of, like, well, Netflix because they got their own like little uh story coming out about with the brothers and they're doing their interviews and everything but netflix kind of set it up to where they show the abuse over uh over years but it wasn't just the abuse but like how eric and lino were just so fucking, spoiled and just so like so.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[33:44] That's what i've heard a lot about.

Leer - Episode 90:
[33:45] Them i heard.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[33:46] They were spoiled ass brats.

Leer - Episode 90:
[33:47] Bro they just wanted their parents money the reason that they killed and.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[33:51] They They were blowing through the.

Leer - Episode 90:
[33:52] Money off. Well, Netflix, the reason that Netflix gave was they killed their parents because they took them off the wheel. His dad had enough of them. These niggas were like doing B&Es. They were like millionaires. They were up.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[34:04] Yeah.

Leer - Episode 90:
[34:05] They were doing B&Es.

Nick - Episode 90:
[34:06] Gotta live.

Leer - Episode 90:
[34:07] Oh. They were like, he got kicked. I think Lionel got kicked out of college. Like Eric was like a bad tennis player or some shit. And I mean, it was- White people problems.

Nick - Episode 90:
[34:17] Am I right?

Leer - Episode 90:
[34:17] It was- And they didn't even write. They tried to blame him on some Asian dude in the mafia.

Persia - Episode 90:
[34:23] Like Cuban or some shit. Weren't they Cuban?

Leer - Episode 90:
[34:25] Spicy white. No, their mom was white, but their dad was semi-white.

Persia - Episode 90:
[34:32] I thought it was Cuban.

Leer - Episode 90:
[34:34] He might have been Cuban.

Nick - Episode 90:
[34:35] I don't even know who these guys are.

Leer - Episode 90:
[34:36] No, he was Cuban.

Nick - Episode 90:
[34:37] My knowledge of the Menendez brothers goes as far as New Girl.

Leer - Episode 90:
[34:41] Bro.

Persia - Episode 90:
[34:43] You want any old Menendez brothers walking in here?

Leer - Episode 90:
[34:46] It's as far as you're acting. Watch that shit. it but it was uh.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[34:49] I was gonna watch it uh but i started the other one um the arian one.

Persia - Episode 90:
[34:54] Wait hold on hold on hold on there's two things i want to touch on with that well we can do it after one of them after you the hernandez okay but the thing about the menendez brothers which i've been seeing, is like people are trying to equate the menendez brothers to the gypsy rose situation and that is not no yeah that's a false equivalent because you're literally just taking the assumption that these like you're taking them that they were victims at their word yeah they got assaulted whereas and there's no proof for.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[35:29] That whereas there's proof with gypsy rose that she was a victim of munchausen.

Persia - Episode 90:
[35:32] Syndrome and like so there so so there's that's great at their word for that and then you're also like assuming like i mean maybe the parents were assholes like like a lot of they were ass a lot of people have asshole parents but that doesn't justify killing them the shit with gypsy had like the longest paper trail that you could possibly fucking have and like she was moving from state to state because doctors were writing like uh this bitch is lying like she was like okay gotta go like like off to the next that shit would not have ended so like it was that not not to justify what she's saying but like her abuse is literally documented and people were calling cps like people like were trying to get her out of the situation and no one did it so that's a different story so they're not they're not i didn't know.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[36:28] That they were linking that's fucking.

Persia - Episode 90:
[36:30] Like people people were trying to justify social media people you.

Leer - Episode 90:
[36:33] Know yeah social media did it so they try to justify.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[36:35] The whistle.

Leer - Episode 90:
[36:36] Card and everything but yeah regarding the anna hernandez thing.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[36:39] That was fucked up i've been with so that's probably the most one i'm most familiar with um i don't know why i'm so familiar because huge football fan no i'm not uh maybe because it was he's closeted probably but i'm so i started watching his doc on.

Persia - Episode 90:
[36:55] Big gay on.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[36:57] Hulu it's it's actually sad it's sad like.

Leer - Episode 90:
[37:01] The relationship that he had with his dad.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[37:03] Sad his mom the mom being a hoe sad him can be.

Persia - Episode 90:
[37:07] His mom was a runner his.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[37:08] Mom was a runner the mom came and interrupted him and the mom was in the um the bleachers of a game and uh and one of the nigga's wife that the mom was fucking... Language. One of the dudes... Even though... I don't know why I'm checking myself. Anyways, one of the dudes that the mom was scissoring wife came up and checked the mama in the middle of the boys basketball game.

Leer - Episode 90:
[37:35] You bitch! Right! The niggas was up and shit.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[37:37] And he's like, mom...

Leer - Episode 90:
[37:40] The whole game paused and shit.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[37:41] Right, the whole game. Yeah, and they all looking. And then looking at homeboy.

Leer - Episode 90:
[37:46] Ryan Murphy going to make a shit.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[37:47] Ryan Murphy.

Nick - Episode 90:
[37:48] Right.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[37:49] Drama.

Nick - Episode 90:
[37:49] I still feel like this is not a reason to kill people.

Persia - Episode 90:
[37:51] That was traumatic.

Nick - Episode 90:
[37:51] I feel like none of these- No.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[37:52] No, it was- He had the brain damage thing. So, you know, as many concussions and stuff and, you know, brain damage.

Leer - Episode 90:
[37:58] Well, hold on. Also, to speak on that real quick. Gary Busey is not killing people. He also- Well, he did have to- Not that we know of. He did have to pee. And also, Aaron Hernandez, like, he felt like he had to prove himself.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[38:08] Yeah.

Nick - Episode 90:
[38:08] So, he killed people.

Leer - Episode 90:
[38:08] That's why he was like holding guns up and like he was doing more.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[38:11] He was flashing like he's just like the the more power he got the more he was like flashing abusing the power yeah he was abusing the power and like and he was being abused by you know the nfl like it was just like a cycle of bullshit that he was going through so like that's why i said they put too much pressure on him so like he probably had like well he does did have like crazy anxiety because of this because of and like and then with we ain't just i mean we're not justifying it but like prior to that if people would just recognize the signs like now you know the conversation now not to be that the conversation and mental health now that's why i think these shows are important didn't.

Persia - Episode 90:
[38:51] He kill recognize.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[38:52] The yeah he killed his that later well.

Persia - Episode 90:
[38:55] His brother his his his his wife's like basically his brother-in-law right well.

Leer - Episode 90:
[39:02] Yeah that was.

Nick - Episode 90:
[39:03] I don't know he killed.

Persia - Episode 90:
[39:04] It was his wife's sister's husband been yeah.

Leer - Episode 90:
[39:07] It was i think it was like something wallace something yeah.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[39:09] He was like a big black.

Leer - Episode 90:
[39:11] Dude and i know he shot another light-skinned nigga in the face.

Persia - Episode 90:
[39:15] Why are you looking me with at.

Leer - Episode 90:
[39:16] The top it's just.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[39:18] You're not light-skinned.

Wes - Episode 90:
[39:19] With cte like not cte nigga, not like excusing what happened but that's like a possible outcome of someone with cte because you do get like.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[39:35] Hallucinations overly.

Wes - Episode 90:
[39:36] You can, a side effect of it is getting overly aggressive. Like you get fucked up in the head and you start like being a completely different person and start being overly aggressive.

Persia - Episode 90:
[39:47] Oh my God, bro. And if that nigga was doing, if he was taking steroids too, or anything like that, Oh my God, he would be cracking down on that. Yeah.

Wes - Episode 90:
[39:55] It was definitely a chemical taking drugs and shit mixed with the ego of money.

Nick - Episode 90:
[39:59] There's a lot of different reasons. You know, we're covering a lot of spectrums of killers right now and um i just want to what i just want to bring up uh, One, I don't know how to word this because I was about to word that wrong. I was about to say one of the greats. He's got numbers on the board. I was going to bring up Richard McClansky.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[40:24] I'm trying to find out his relation to him.

Nick - Episode 90:
[40:26] No, this is our topic for the day now. Well, we already talked about that last.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[40:33] Him learning about him being bisexual and thought he was going to get outed.

Nick - Episode 90:
[40:36] What do we need to do? A whole thing. I can't find anything that them being related.

Leer - Episode 90:
[40:41] We don't.

Nick - Episode 90:
[40:42] Need to do two hours.

Leer - Episode 90:
[40:43] All right but anyway with that okay yeah no richard no but no but that hernandez thing like with him being like in college and everything they were like, because he was like fighting people and like he was being just like a outrageous ass nigga but you know how uh college football teams are man they'll try to sweep that shit under the rug so yeah so true you want to knock down you want to knock out a bar owner bro knock him out but like sweeping under the roof i'm.

Nick - Episode 90:
[41:08] Gonna ask you because you've seen both things.

Leer - Episode 90:
[41:10] Yeah no.

Nick - Episode 90:
[41:11] What i'm about to talk about because you've seen the aaron hernandez.

Leer - Episode 90:
[41:13] Uh-huh and.

Nick - Episode 90:
[41:14] You've also watched ted lasso if you think you're like what do you think if ted lasso sorry.

Leer - Episode 90:
[41:19] White man.

Nick - Episode 90:
[41:21] Behind you what do you if uh ted lasso was aaron hernandez's coach how do you think things would have turned out you think things would have been a little different.

Leer - Episode 90:
[41:28] He probably would have been tom brady okay.

Nick - Episode 90:
[41:29] There goes you think you would have turned.

Leer - Episode 90:
[41:31] Him in it would have been tom brady bro because like the coaches were enabling that behavior. Instead of suspending him, they would start him. Like, oh, you knocked out a fucking a bouncer at a club or the owner of the club? Well, we're going to start you. We're going to expel Cam Newton, but we're going to start you.

Nick - Episode 90:
[41:49] Okay.

Leer - Episode 90:
[41:50] He probably would have sat him down and then he would...

Anthonio Episode 90:
[41:54] Why are we comparing Ted Lasso?

Nick - Episode 90:
[41:56] I'm just asking how he thinks Ted would have handled the case.

Leer - Episode 90:
[41:59] Yeah, because of the coaches. The coaches were enabling his behavior. So he's just feeding that ego.

Persia - Episode 90:
[42:06] I think Lasso would have let him go.

Leer - Episode 90:
[42:09] He probably would have gave him like three chances.

Persia - Episode 90:
[42:12] No, he would have let him go. Like, if you, like, he let Jamie go. And Jamie wasn't doing it.

Nick - Episode 90:
[42:17] He didn't let Jamie go. Jamie got traded because of some, Rebecca was on some bullshit in season one. and she she's the one reason why jamie got traded because the team wasn't too good yeah it was getting comfortable ted.

Persia - Episode 90:
[42:33] Was not afraid to let jamie go or bench him basically when even though he was the best player.

Nick - Episode 90:
[42:40] Yeah because of the bullshit.

Persia - Episode 90:
[42:42] That he was doing behind the scenes.

Nick - Episode 90:
[42:43] Right what i'm saying is that's different because jamie also wasn't beating the shit and murdering people that's what i'm saying like i'm saying like go with yeah but ted would have seen that ted might have been like yo we need to do something but he doesn't believe in therapy he does now but he didn't before so we're talking after the.

Leer - Episode 90:
[42:59] Apple money cleared he believed in therapy.

Nick - Episode 90:
[43:00] No i'm talking about on the show because after an old girl came through it and then he was forced to do therapy i'm just i'm just wondering how ted would i don't.

Persia - Episode 90:
[43:07] Think he wouldn't the coach probably would have been ted like what you're what you're even comparing it to is like coaches who are motivated by money versus that person who's motivated by kindness like he would be doing him a disservice by continuing to let him be in that well uh.

Wes - Episode 90:
[43:25] Uh aaron hernandez coach bill belichick would do anything to win he's the fucking nfl coach that was deflating balls before the super bowl with tom grady's tom brady so they could grip them better well.

Leer - Episode 90:
[43:38] Bill belichick yeah but i was also talking about his uh college coach.

Wes - Episode 90:
[43:41] Oh what's.

Leer - Episode 90:
[43:42] His name something myers urban myers.

Wes - Episode 90:
[43:45] Urban Meyer?

Leer - Episode 90:
[43:45] Urban Meyer, yeah.

Wes - Episode 90:
[43:46] Oh, he did go to Ohio State.

Leer - Episode 90:
[43:48] He was motivated by leaving a legacy and winning and getting a good team. So he couldn't care if these niggas are stealing laptops and punching niggas and all that other stuff. He was like, yo, as long as we getting dubs, that's all that matter. But going to Ted Lasso, I haven't finished it, but from what I've seen, he probably would bench him. And then if it get over to, bro, he's killing people, yeah, you got to go.

Persia - Episode 90:
[44:14] No, I think that he would let him go. I think he would kick him off the team. Like, if you, like, bro, like, that's not something, like, so thinking of a person who's not motivated by, like, anything, like, any of, like, accolades or anything like that, like, thinking from that perspective, the only reason you would have to keep a person like that on the team is because of how good they are. So you're going to ignore what they're doing because of how good they are. i think that ted would see what he was doing or get a whiff of what he was doing and not want that to infect the rest of the team right so you would take the sacrifice my other question is like.

Nick - Episode 90:
[44:52] Do you think he would do something for him that's my.

Persia - Episode 90:
[44:54] Other i think he would try i think he would try and i think he would talk to him and i think he would try and figure him out but that's what i'm saying i don't think that he would bench him like just like like fuck this guy get him out of here i think he would recognize that this environment is bad for him and let him go as like a like a favor yeah like you have versus like it's like tough love type of shit like you know somebody comes to you like like it's like so it feels like you have a like a junkie fucking friend or, like whoever and they come to you and they and then you're like oh hey bro you guys i'm trying to get this line of walk You.

Leer - Episode 90:
[45:35] Know where I can get some walk from?

Anthonio Episode 90:
[45:37] You're never going to live that down.

Leer - Episode 90:
[45:39] It's okay.

Persia - Episode 90:
[45:40] They come to you, you know what I'm saying? Or somebody who just fucks their life up all the time. Eventually, you got to be like... i'm not going to help you.

Leer - Episode 90:
[45:50] You need to.

Persia - Episode 90:
[45:51] Learn how to figure it out yourself like and ted.

Nick - Episode 90:
[45:53] Is known for giving just two chances.

Persia - Episode 90:
[45:55] Yeah so i think i think you would i think you would have let it go but to be honest though it's like back.

Leer - Episode 90:
[46:00] For season four with money.

Persia - Episode 90:
[46:01] I think that i.

Nick - Episode 90:
[46:02] Don't think he's part of it.

Persia - Episode 90:
[46:02] That was a cocktail mixture i don't think there was a good way that that was going to turn out.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[46:07] Oh arian's like oh absolutely not i think that was nothing good about that.

Persia - Episode 90:
[46:11] Doesn't he have a daughter.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[46:12] Yeah he had it with it there was no happy ending for.

Persia - Episode 90:
[46:15] Him there was no happy some.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[46:16] People are just doomed unfortunately it's as dark as that sounds like some people are just well.

Leer - Episode 90:
[46:21] He had a lot of opportunities and just he.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[46:23] Had a lot of opportunities but also a lot of like negative influences from birth some people you know not bro.

Leer - Episode 90:
[46:28] There was gangbanging in connecticut bro.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[46:30] Like yeah i'm surprising right uh not to be i know i was being facetious it's like nope not to be like connecticut.

Leer - Episode 90:
[46:40] Connecticut there.

Nick - Episode 90:
[46:41] Were gangbanging in connecticut.

Leer - Episode 90:
[46:43] Bro bro he was being bang in alaska bro.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[46:45] Don't go to harford yeah.

Nick - Episode 90:
[46:47] You know what don't.

Wes - Episode 90:
[46:48] Go to harford.

Nick - Episode 90:
[46:49] It's uh seals and clubs that.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[46:51] It's real close to new york so i'm not surprised that's a train ride hide in the fucking countryside yeah yeah.

Persia - Episode 90:
[46:58] To be honest you what did he have uh didn't he have some what mental conditions did he have.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[47:04] The brain damage shit from the cte and then he's probably like diagnosed with other shit no.

Persia - Episode 90:
[47:10] Bro he like i'm not depression i'm not gonna make excuses i'm not.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[47:15] That's what i'm saying not it's not not to make excuses but there was no.

Persia - Episode 90:
[47:18] Good outcome for.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[47:20] It wasn't depression.

Wes - Episode 90:
[47:20] Naturally comes from cte.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[47:22] Yeah it usually starts as depression and then him getting so chronic was uh diagnosed with cte after he died um which speculated influence like his whole behavior what's.

Persia - Episode 90:
[47:32] The what's the what's it stand for.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[47:34] Chronic traumatic in use you know big words yeah.

Persia - Episode 90:
[47:39] Damn encephalopathy encephalopathy that's like a interesting.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[47:49] Bipolar yeah that's essentially neuro.

Persia - Episode 90:
[47:51] Neuro damn his brain was okay yeah.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[47:55] Like so this is a normal brain his brain was like damaged yeah disintegrating yeah it was like this.

Wes - Episode 90:
[48:03] Like a lot of football players.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[48:05] Yeah they're.

Leer - Episode 90:
[48:06] Like that he was around a lot of people that they really give a brain away he was around a lot of people that didn't really give a fuck.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[48:11] About him.

Leer - Episode 90:
[48:11] Like you could clearly see.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[48:13] All he was just doing was he was just trying to he was.

Leer - Episode 90:
[48:18] Just coping a lot.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[48:18] He just wanted to make a better life for himself and his family from jump like his dad, while toxic put try to put it a ethic in him a work ethic in him and then you know and they put too much pressure on his shoulders you're.

Leer - Episode 90:
[48:32] Going to this school.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[48:33] Yeah and then you know him being queer he would possibly queer you know allegedly i don't want you know but you know i'm saying that added more pressure to him and then you know the higher he got the more pressure he got that shit is bound to break sometimes yeah so there was no there was no good there was.

Persia - Episode 90:
[48:49] No good ending especially.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[48:50] With no one looking out for him like.

Persia - Episode 90:
[48:52] Bro especially like.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[48:53] There were signs there were clearly signs well you could if you watch the show and like other documentaries i've seen there were signs of this nigga was on the deep end but we weren't.

Leer - Episode 90:
[49:02] Worried about that.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[49:02] Yeah so like so that goes into my question i want to ask like especially like shit like dahmer which is very graphic at times do these documentaries or these retellings of these movies tv shows of stuff of the shit are they a positive influence or or negative like are is

Anthonio Episode 90:
[49:21] it worth telling these stories let me get.

Leer - Episode 90:
[49:24] On should we go around the table and act i.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[49:26] Guess yeah that'd be good organized that's our best way of doing it yeah but uh i'm indifferent about it personally like sometimes i'm like yeah that makes sense like dommer no because that story has been told so many times you're just doing trauma porn at some point whereas you know especially because like it comes from a they're trying to make it sexy they hire a really handsome guy yeah it's just it's like literally murder porn literally whereas hernandez could be more of a traumatic telling like yeah they add sex and they add some drama into it or whatever but his story can be a scene as a warning well.

Leer - Episode 90:
[50:02] That's what i was talking about girl about because we watching it in the like the uh the gay scene we're not well it's not a lot of them but it's.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[50:09] It's alleged so it's like are.

Leer - Episode 90:
[50:12] They trying to like you know you gotta it's a documentary so you kind of gotta romanticize it a.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[50:16] Little a little bit there's an extent of romanticizing and like putting stuff up just for plot or whatever which dommer i think drama was a very good example of just like doing shit for the sake of the tv show but i think so far and i haven't finished her nannies what was in.

Persia - Episode 90:
[50:31] There that like the.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[50:32] I feel like they was just overly sexual like the the The scene where the dude who was trying to fight for his life and the bogey, he was like, trying to, man.

Persia - Episode 90:
[50:43] Well, that guy is still alive.

Leer - Episode 90:
[50:44] The memes from that shit.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[50:45] Yes, but even that, I felt was like, come on. See, you know what I'm saying? It's just certain things, or even hiring homeboy as Dahmer, Evan Peters, a way to sexualize him a little bit. I don't know.

Nick - Episode 90:
[51:04] He was ugly as shit in real life.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[51:06] Yes he wasn't that attractive.

Nick - Episode 90:
[51:07] No uh but they've had disney they've had a lot of like the in my friend dommer they had that other austin my favorite one my friend dommer is your favorite not.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[51:15] My favorite but i love him.

Nick - Episode 90:
[51:16] Oh i was about to say that movie was so awkward he's in a band on.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[51:20] Called the the the something era the driver era i'm sorry and he's really hot he's like internet's boyfriend right now.

Nick - Episode 90:
[51:26] Yeah i don't know but yeah they make.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[51:28] These attract they they put a level of sorry they keep in putting these like.

Nick - Episode 90:
[51:33] Yeah i agree with you on that part like don't get that's my opinion on all movies though like not everybody has to be fucking hot in a movie yeah we get it some people aren't regular like me but um no i i think they're very important um.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[51:49] Liray shit you know who he ate.

Nick - Episode 90:
[51:51] You think i'm ugly you know what i hired you.

Leer - Episode 90:
[51:57] Because of your because.

Nick - Episode 90:
[51:57] I look good thank you uh he tried to trap me it's a whole situation he brought me to his house. Anyway, $50 is $50.

Leer - Episode 90:
[52:05] $80 is $80.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[52:07] Is this the whole thing we were talking about? I'm pegging all of you because you guys have already experimented with each other. Got to Aaron Hernandez each other. That's fine.

Nick - Episode 90:
[52:16] None of us are dead. I was about to say, none of us hung ourselves in jail. Now, I honestly think that they're all very important no matter how dramatized or anything that you do with it because you have to, and the fact that they make so many of these is because everyone takes in media differently so as long as you're buying on the set.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[52:39] Shit like i'm thinking about all that just all the documentaries about trauma lately is just really fucking me up.

Nick - Episode 90:
[52:44] Was there should be because people need to again they need to see the signs they need to understand and i think it's i think it's good that way because like ted bundy everyone's like he's a boner for him right he's that's

Nick - Episode 90:
[52:56] the one he can't do something like that but i think you need to watch stuff about him so you know that people like him like who look like him can do something like that yeah like there is no limit to what someone can do there's just because they look a certain way doesn't mean they're not gonna do it right that's insane to me.

Persia - Episode 90:
[53:16] Yeah i'm not i don't want to interrupt you i want you i don't want to interrupt your stream of consciousness but what i'm going to say is going to be Replying to what you said.

Nick - Episode 90:
[53:25] Yeah reply to me I'll say it when.

Persia - Episode 90:
[53:28] It's my turn.

Nick - Episode 90:
[53:29] Yeah so but like very controversial When 13 Reasons Dropped everyone was like Ah they're Glorifying, Suicide and I'm like no they're not They're showing you What leads to someone's suicide They're showing you these people And how you treat someone Speaking on.

Leer - Episode 90:
[53:50] That with 13 Reasons I.

Nick - Episode 90:
[53:51] Did.

Leer - Episode 90:
[53:51] Because I watched it when they didn't have the disclaimer.

Nick - Episode 90:
[53:54] Yeah, me and you did the disclaimer.

Leer - Episode 90:
[53:56] But I'm just saying, as far as having that disclaimer to let them know, like, yo, you about to see a broomstick get shoved up somebody's ass.

Nick - Episode 90:
[54:04] Oh, I'm sticking on season one.

Leer - Episode 90:
[54:06] Really? Well, I'm just talking just in general.

Nick - Episode 90:
[54:07] Yeah, after season one is a whole different thing. I can't remember where they were going, but.

Persia - Episode 90:
[54:13] Sodomy is illegal in Michigan.

Leer - Episode 90:
[54:15] You got to pay for it, too.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[54:17] Whoa.

Persia - Episode 90:
[54:18] I'm pretty sure it actually is.

Nick - Episode 90:
[54:20] Anyway you're going to jail pal anyway, that one.

Leer - Episode 90:
[54:32] No, Antonio, we're going to break you out, bro. We got you.

Persia - Episode 90:
[54:35] That's a quick.

Nick - Episode 90:
[54:37] You'll look cute in the shots, though. Right. You'll look cute in the shots. That's all that matters. I'm going to be outside the jail. I'm going to be outside the jail with a sign. Take back down, y'all. Free my boy. Free my boy. But no, I think they're very important because I think that some people don't really know these things. They don't know the signs. They don't know how they're affecting people around them. because one you could be bullying somebody and be like you think it's harmful then you watch 13 reasons why and you're like how am i affecting this person like they're not saying anything yeah and i think what i'm doing is okay because they're not saying anything right and it's like at the end you're like now you got a tape 13.

Leer - Episode 90:
[55:18] Reasons calm me down now you.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[55:20] Got a tape.

Nick - Episode 90:
[55:20] Now you got a tape and i definitely pass.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[55:23] It along or else i'm putting all your shit out there.

Nick - Episode 90:
[55:24] They definitely putting that disclaimer on one was really good season one was great and i think it's very important because people don't think that far people don't think that deep they don't think about what their actions are causing a little boosie badass especially kids boosie he didn't he didn't think about what his words caused and he i never thought i'd see that man publicly apologize that was that was good for uh yeah he.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[55:50] Apologized for his uh.

Nick - Episode 90:
[55:51] For the things that he said to his daughter i think only.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[55:53] Because his daughter is honestly if his daughter was a gay man it was a gay boy it would probably be a different conversation.

Nick - Episode 90:
[55:58] It would usually what you hate the most.

Leer - Episode 90:
[56:00] Ends up in your household.

Nick - Episode 90:
[56:01] But i'm hoping that like that's a first step towards realizing that what you say and what you do does have that shit and uh no i think that shows like this are good so you have the sign so you can see what it is but again like i said everyone takes things in differently so like we're all cool with walking watching a documentary some people might think that shit's boring as fuck so if you make a show that dramatize you know okay okay that person's like oh this i.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[56:31] Took from and you could take something from the documentary.

Nick - Episode 90:
[56:33] Exactly i hear you i never thought for me as long as you take something as some as long as someone takes something from it and i'm not saying disrespect the victims but the thing is this happened this This happened in real life. Like, this is, like, there's no avoiding it. Anyone can figure it out. You know what I'm saying? And you do have to be respectful of that. So you can go outside and be disrespectful to a point. And, I mean, again, that's just up to people's opinions and what they find to be disrespectful and respectful. At the end of the day, it's everybody's opinion. But I think these are very important, no matter how you do them, as long as you do it respectfully, because people have to take in the media however they can take it in.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[57:08] I think that's my point and problem, I guess, is the lack of media literacy sometimes. and some people just take it as like, still take it as a form of entertainment, you know? And I think that's where I kind of have a problem, because like the dude who makes it is a glee is the glee guy who constantly do this shit and he constantly does like gay shit yeah so i'm like are you doing this to educate people artist subjective blah blah blah blah we know the shtick but like are you doing this to tell a story, or are you being.

Leer - Episode 90:
[57:38] Might be a little bit of both yeah um me personally i kind of agree with nick like it is important for people to see that because some people like might not know that shit like seeing uh uh ted bundy and everything him being so such a good looking guy and people think people thinking like oh not.

Persia - Episode 90:
[57:56] Good looking he was not it was.

Leer - Episode 90:
[57:59] Like for the time for the time and for those people all right i thought the nigga was butt ass ugly yeah.

Nick - Episode 90:
[58:05] My man's had a caterpillar.

Leer - Episode 90:
[58:06] But no people have to see that shit and but i also like he.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[58:11] Looks like uh what's the name before he got man looks like he.

Nick - Episode 90:
[58:14] Eats cereal boxes.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[58:15] What is his name.

Leer - Episode 90:
[58:16] Zach he.

Nick - Episode 90:
[58:18] Don't Zach Efron was way.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[58:20] Too out he was part of the Rat Pack back in the day.

Leer - Episode 90:
[58:22] Oh you're talking about Frank Sinatra Big Frank he got bitches but also like I had a problem with the Dahmer thing when it came out and I talked about it on the pod like you know sometimes I be feeling for the victims like I don't want to keep hearing about my fucking, gay son who got killed by Jeffrey Dahmer yeah I don't like that shit has been done maybe so outplayed maybe sometimes like you know i i think some docs do this like they will hide the person's name like just to protect the victim's family which i believe in too but also like yo we got to be informed about this stuff like so you can see the sign so you can see the signs and stuff like that also like how we was talking about how the police are uh negligent sometimes like we got people's got to know that like you know uh especially with women like um i was watching this one doc like my worst ex ever and she was like talking she was like talking about her ex but he was like a a police officer or police informant so the police wouldn't believe that he was hitting her like they won't like investigate that stuff so that's important to like look at too so you can call police departments out about their shit yeah i like that uh real quick.

Nick - Episode 90:
[59:34] On that because of the police thing that serial killer i think it was in canada who was killing all the hookers and the police didn't care because they were hookers. So they didn't, well, and Canadian, yeah. But they didn't really put all that much effort into it because they were like, who cares about a hooker?

Persia - Episode 90:
[59:51] There was something like that in uh there was something like that and i i think it was in the uk but there was a similar thing like that and then like he he he fucked up when he killed a girl that wasn't a hooker and then they came out and they were like you know an innocent life has been lost in all this like they have preconceived judgments and all kinds of shit like they're a person bro yeah and i think that's important uh.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:00:14] No um well since we're gonna be talking about docs I should have asked y'all this on Monday. I wanted to talk about the- We ain't even done with.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:00:23] The question yet.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:00:24] No, no. No, because I want y'all to think about this before we let y'all answer it. What's y'all top docs? Top craziest docs that y'all seen?

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:00:34] I don't watch docs. You don't watch docs?

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:00:36] Okay. But I've seen a lot of crazy docs, and I already have my list already.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:00:39] So I had a ducted and plain sight if y'all ever seen that. That might be the craziest doc I've ever seen. I've seen that one.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:00:47] Let's do a podcast. can't finish your answer answer that way yeah we'll jump into but.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:00:51] That was really it like i feel for the i understand the informative part of it like yo we have to know this stuff you gotta know like.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:00:57] What was i'm sorry what was the question.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:01:00] How would you feel is it ethical or do you feel how how ethical is this constant um these constant documentaries and tv shows about trauma in general i guess yeah because like it's the it's the quiet on set i've been thinking about you know the the hernandez brother uh aaron hernandez the mendez brothers uh we got the dahmer shit we got shit coming up about r kelly we got shit it's just all these documentaries and shit and about trauma yeah so and it's fucking like i'm like so to an extent it's weird to.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:01:34] An extent informative though because that r kelly shit that for a lot of.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:01:37] People that was one now.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:01:39] Bro okay so wait if you're telling it depends.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:01:42] Like did he probably go get one i'm sorry oh he got one if.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:01:44] You it depends honestly on the intent behind it.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:01:49] Yeah to.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:01:50] Me because it's like you can tell when they are doing it with the intention of getting a message across like if they're doing it with the intention of like watch out for this like this is what you need to this is what you need to to be aware of like that is a different thing and usually, So I would say that like the dramatizations are less just generally speaking, the dramatizations are less ethical than like a documentary because a documentary is like telling the story and you're including elements that really happened and like all that shit. A dramatization is dramatized. yeah so my problem with my problem with the dramatizations is that, you don't like so you take the dommer thing you don't know what this nigga was saying when he was in the room with these people right like and so so like so you know.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:02:54] That nigga was vulgar in.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:02:55] Front of the tv like yeah like you don't know i mean he could have told you these stories but then you're taking his word but so i think about it like my initial thought is like from the from the like the relatives and shit of of like these victims and i'm like bro and then like you don't even we don't hear about these people and those are real people they exist today like they're like they're they are alive they're still alive they feel a way about what they're seeing and shit like that and you have no way of knowing so the problem the problem with it is like and i didn't think about that until you said it like the the basically how the format matters like there are people that won't watch a documentary there are people that won't read a book they'll listen to they might listen to a book they won't read a book or like whatever so they'll watch a podcast hour let's go yeah yeah so that matters and which and and that is valid but to me, the problem with that and why i say like it's not just i don't think it's as important.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:04:07] You can you would have to you have to be like honestly at a certain level of intelligence, to be able to take something away from something that you're watching yes most people i feel are watching this shit as entertainment yes and maybe some of the people can can link it to a real person that's why they do shit like they watch this fucking show and then get on the internet net and be like bro gypsy is free then they need to be free like like like they just emotionally react to this shit the.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:04:40] Lack of the lack of uh call them out the lack of facebook call it but.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:04:45] Just media literacy yeah it is it's a it's a literal lack of media literacy and that's what makes it so dangerous is because like like bro if netflix has to come out and tell you do not idolize this fucking serial killer yep then you are shouldn't be watching you shouldn't be watching netflix like you're like like bro yeah don't unsubscribe like now like and that was to the documentary yeah like what are you saying bro and it's and it's women saying this and he targeted women yeah like so it's like why certain people just aren't gonna get it and there There are certain people, like, we like to think that you're telling a cautionary tale, but in the same token of, like, some people will see that as a message and be like, wow, well, now I know what to look out for. Now I know, like, if it's a school shooter, now I know, like, what I need to do, like, with my kid. Some people see that and are like, that's a come up. That's like clout. That's why there's so many, that's why, like, a serial killer gets caught and then there's copycat killers. like they start publicizing school shooters and now people want to shoot schools like they're not getting that school shooting is wrong they're getting that this person's getting a lot of attention like so that's like like bro.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:06:07] I genuinely cannot wrap my head around, and I'm going to come back. I'm going to get you in a second. I genuinely cannot wrap my head around how a person can find out about another person through their murder trial and say, there's no way he did it. You don't know this nigga.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:06:27] Yeah.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:06:27] Like, what the fuck are you? like that that fucking girl that married uh ted bundy was defending this nigga to the that made the whole spectacle during the court show no to until he admitted well yeah basically basically no no she that wasn't his girl no yeah he she.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:06:45] Met him in prison.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:06:46] She met him while he was in jail i.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:06:48] Want you to believe me.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:06:49] And then if.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:06:51] I'm not gonna die ride or die i guess.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:06:52] And then like so so this is so you're you're what you just form this opinion based on nothing and then when this nigga finally admits that he did everything be like he realized he wasn't getting out of it he admitted it she she dipped changed her kid's name all kinds of shit like like bro like what the fuck is wrong with you like but that's what bro for like yeah because it was his son it was his daughter but But like, I'm like, bro, there are just there's so many spectrums to people. It's like at some point it's it's hard. It's hard to say, especially like when you make art and you do like that kind of shit, because it's like self-expression. This is a little bit different because you're telling someone else's story and the story is already out. And these people can find it if they want to find it. But it's like, no matter what, and you're telling this story from the perspective of the perpetrator or whoever it is, people are gonna sympathize with it. Like there's gonna be a range of emotions. So I think, I honestly do think sometimes you don't need to tell this story. Like sometimes you don't need to tell it because, and that's the other thing about attention. Are you donating this money? What are you doing with the money that comes from? Oh, you're just keeping it?

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:08:15] Yeah.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:08:15] I feel like I'm giving it to the victims.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:08:18] Now that you bring that up, I do feel like, yeah, I feel like that the money you do make should go to the family of the victims. A percentage of it. Well, yeah, not the whole thing, but a percentage of it.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:08:28] The money that homeboy made from this in particular, I'm thinking of Ryan Murphy in particular.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:08:33] Nate Emmys.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:08:34] Hey, production people, I know you're watching us. Put a clause in all the contracts McDonald's is watching us Put a clause in the contracts If they're making documents on killers McDonald's The person.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:08:49] Who works at McDonald's Is watching us.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:08:52] Nigga's holding his phone so hard It cracks I swear to god One day I'm gonna get you beboppers And.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:09:00] Your little cat.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:09:02] Too He watching Uncle Grandpa just waiting for you the.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:09:07] Bebop anime anyway.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:09:09] Anyway i know you're watching too buddy um, uh put a clause in those contracts where they got to donate some of the money to the victims.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:09:21] They don't though like i'm saying that's.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:09:22] What i'm saying right now because i know they're watching.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:09:24] That will be a way to make it some.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:09:26] Sense of ethical.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:09:27] Yeah you know i'm saying involve them in some way like bro like but but i mean like it's that it's just a that is it's just wild like so but that's what i'm saying like at some point where does the responsibility fall because Cause like, this is a little different from like Cardi B rapping about sex or Eminem rapping about violence or whatever, because people would come at them or Marilyn Manson or like whoever, and people would come at them and be like, well, my kid did this because of your music. They've been trying to. And it's like, uh, yeah, but it's like, um, he's not even supposed to be able to buy my music.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:10:06] Rental advisory.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:10:06] Where the fuck are you? Yeah. like when like why are you not paying attention like this is your kid like raise your kid this is a little bit different than that because like this isn't self-expression you're telling someone else's it is self-expression to an extent but like you're telling someone else's story yeah and then it's not even just someone else you're telling multiple people's story you're telling the ending of certain people's lives a sad you gotta you.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:10:34] Gotta one piece positive nothing positive a lot of these documentaries or anything like that.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:10:39] Yeah like what is it where is.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:10:41] The happy ending what's the moral.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:10:43] Of the message but because like so so so nick is interpreting these these things through the lens of like an educational purposes but i feel like most people are seeing it as entertainment yeah watch these things as i said like you ever see that like i saw this fucking meme because you know like girls notoriously love murder docs and it said something I saw some meme and it was like, imagine you get killed and then some girl skips over your episode because it was boring.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:11:12] I'm going to haunt that bitch dream so much.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:11:16] But like, for real. Don't be surprised.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:11:18] So I'm not a girl, but I listen to a lot. it distracted me uh it uh so i listened to a lot of murder docs myself and, you'd be surprised how much how how how a lot of women got away with so much shit back in the day because they just weren't a factor yeah.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:11:42] Bro i'm not gonna.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:11:43] Lie i think that's like some sort of evolution some of the worst serial killers are women yeah they were nurses yes because they're nurses there's a lady who just killed babies.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:11:51] She got like over 200.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:11:53] Babies gotta be a link to that like the the link to women's obsession with murder documentaries and how many how much women got away with shit back in the day just simply because they weren't on the radar you know again but that's just like that.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:12:08] Ted money shit they.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:12:09] Couldn't they.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:12:10] Would never do something.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:12:11] Like that they got.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:12:12] Material Get out of here, Judy.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:12:14] Get in the kitchen.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:12:16] She can't even cut the crust off my sandwich. You think she's cutting off ads?

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:12:21] Why, I ought to.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:12:23] Guys. He can say it.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:12:24] Why don't you find a nice man to take care of you?

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:12:28] Right.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:12:28] You're clearly losing.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:12:30] But, again, that's that stigmatism.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:12:32] To be honest, though, for me personally, like that that these things have always i've always been like an empathetic person so, the they intrigued me because like my mom used to watch it so i think my mom my mom okay my mom my mom low-key gave me trauma because because like for real bro because she was always watching murder docs and then 98 of murder docs were like women yeah usually younger women usually like sometimes children and so it made me like super fucking scared for women in general like so i would watch like i'd be like what the fuck bro so i'd be like i like i'd tell my girl like like any girl i was talking to like don't be out like late yeah don't stop and do it like don't be doing his dumb shit like blah blah blah blah like like so i was i was always like that yeah but but so like that shit always yeah yeah.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:13:38] No for sure.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:13:41] You know.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:13:41] Who else says don't hang out late don't go to other guys houses.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:13:45] Don't look at other nigga andrew tate make sure my dinner's ready by the time i get home for sure this man.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:13:56] Is not a feminine.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:13:57] No but for real i was i was like watching that shit and so it it would like traumatize me but so what would happen what was happening was like my mom would watch it and then eventually, i would be like walking by and then like you know you walk by you hear something it intrigues you so.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:14:15] Then you can't.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:14:15] Stop watching it but then like it makes it literally made me like sick like it makes me feel sick to watch like that shit too much because i'm like what the fuck.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:14:24] Bro i get scared like i know it's weird because i'm like a 300 pound six foot one guy but like i get scared i'm like updating.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:14:32] Your dating profile size does not matter when it comes to murder.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:14:36] She's single it honestly doesn't but like oh shit every time i'm about to say i don't.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:14:41] Know about my son though.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:14:44] But i get i get scared you know i don't know why but like i'd be like damn i might be murdered or someone i know might get murdered bro you know i'm saying my mom we.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:14:53] Too big to get kidnapped.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:14:54] I know but still like that murdered not kidnapped whatever that shit is the negative impact and then like okay so not only that my mom was a documentary person to a murder documentary That's how I got involved in Aaron. That's how I found out about Aaron Hernandez. It was through my mom.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:15:08] Oh, I thought you meant attack on Titan.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:15:10] Oh, Lord.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:15:13] It's always one episode. Always episode.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:15:17] You hear that?

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:15:18] He hitting that short bus pose.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:15:20] Anyways, that's with your arm the other way.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:15:25] Don't do it.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:15:26] Don't do it.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:15:27] Oh, yo, yo, yo.

Wes - Episode 90:
[1:15:29] Yo.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:15:30] Nick, do the thing. Do the thing now. Do the thing now. um Jesus Christ anyways my mom got me into the Ann Hernandez, Jeez, where are we at? We said hour 15?

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:15:45] It's like Doodlebop. Okay.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:15:48] Lord.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:15:48] What? I got to do a slob.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:15:52] We're going to be canceled so hard before we even have a chance.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:15:56] Every episode.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:15:57] It's got to be one. It's got to be one. Oh, my God.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:16:00] We're just going to kick Mike off.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:16:02] When we do it, you're going to kick me off?

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:16:04] Yeah.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:16:04] What did I do?

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:16:05] We got to do the shit.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:16:05] Get rid of the virus.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:16:07] Right. You got to apologize like six years ago. Anyways.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:16:11] You got to do it separately.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:16:12] Ukulele yeah i.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:16:14] Would like to apologize to the down syndrome community wait no i would never.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:16:20] He just pointed out somebody god you're bad anyways my mom put me on air hernandez, also right i'm listening i love the no i love the podcast but also we're just a generation of fucking negative shit you know what i'm saying a lot of shit shit happened in our lifetime time so like princess diana shit you know what i'm saying like all this shit happened within our lifetime so that's another reason why i'm intrigued also so like i don't know it makes me a little like jeffrey dahmer what 30 years ago not even i stumbled.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:16:56] On that myself.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:16:57] That could have been you.

Wes - Episode 90:
[1:16:59] That could have been you.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:17:00] I'm a queer male like that would have been my life that might have been 40 40.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:17:06] Years ago no yeah if.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:17:07] We're talking moms.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:17:17] Okay, I think, look, I'm going to bring this up real quick because my mom, we're talking about death and watching this shit. My mom's got it in the bag because that's her favorite topic.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:17:29] I think it's a woman.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:17:30] My mom is a trauma news person.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:17:31] Too.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:17:32] Like, she knows everything about everything.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:17:34] Bro.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:17:34] And every time I go out there, be careful now, baby.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:17:36] They gonna get you. No, my mom doesn't do that. First off, my mom's favorite show is The Noose. Okay, so.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:17:41] The Noose?

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:17:42] The Noose. The Noose. And her favorite social media is The Noose. and no matter what you're doing no matter what's going on she will make sure she fits death into the conversation that's.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:17:55] What the news does.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:17:55] No no no like i was uh me and big guy at work i was talking about getting lunch one day i'm like yo we should go to costco get some you know food and stuff my mom was like eight-year-old choked and died on a hot dog last week and i'm like what the fuck does that have to do i don't want to eat a hot dog she's trying to protect you no I know how to eat the dog, bro. And no matter what, bro, we were having a regular conversation. She came out of nowhere, and she said it was like a fucking hit. She was like, old lady got taken out by an alligator last week. I'm like, why are you saying this? This isn't part of the conversation. She's addicted to death, bro.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:18:30] You're saying it's in a negative version of your mother? However, considering where you came from, that makes sense.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:18:40] Look, my boy, look.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:18:41] You came from her. Now, A plus B is equal in C.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:18:45] Look, listen. But listen, look. I pointed this out at work, all right? So I told my boy Shamar, I'm like, look, my mom brings death into every situation, bro.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:18:51] Just bring it. You don't bring death.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:18:53] What do I bring?

Wes - Episode 90:
[1:18:54] You bring 9-11.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:18:55] Yeah.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:18:57] 9-11.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:18:57] I got themes.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:18:59] Gay shit. Hitler. Hitler.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:19:00] But look, when I bring up 9-11, she's like, why are you bringing it? Why do you talk? You with genocide.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:19:04] I don't bring up genocide. I bring up... I don't bring up genocide.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:19:08] You bring up some misogynistic shit a lot.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:19:10] When did i ever bring up you just brought it up.

Wes - Episode 90:
[1:19:13] He's not a feminist.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:19:14] What did i say he's.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:19:15] Not a feminist.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:19:15] You said that women can't vote and women do not say that.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:19:20] You didn't say that i didn't even say that women can do anything that men can do anyway.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:19:28] So my mom is.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:19:29] Statistically that is true there is oh yeah of course it's true there is there is there is at least a woman that can do anything that I will argue.

Wes - Episode 90:
[1:19:41] There's not a woman that could be the best player in the NFL.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:19:47] You don't think that there's a six-foot-five, 300-pound woman out there?

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:19:55] I will be following her on the ground if she wins.

Wes - Episode 90:
[1:19:57] That wouldn't be the best player in that NFL. The best player in that NFL is generally a quarterback or like a wide receiver running back.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:20:06] Most of them are pussy, though.

Wes - Episode 90:
[1:20:07] It's generally a quarterback, though.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:20:08] You can't find it. The only reason you can't find it is because you haven't looked.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:20:12] That man looks like a pussy.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:20:13] And I stand on that. Fuck Erica. I stand on that. I mean it. I mean that. Women 2024.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:20:22] We know who you voting for.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:20:25] Antonio's confused.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:20:26] I'm so confused.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:20:28] He got to do that rebranding.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:20:30] Come on.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:20:33] No, but what I was going to say to what you were talking about with people being influenced by negative, people being influenced by media to do things.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:20:42] Sorry to interrupt, but this is a very educational and positive episode that we're doing today.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:20:46] Of course, bro.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:20:46] Jokes aside, this is a very not heavy, but just like we smart.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:20:52] Did I just say that?

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:20:54] I'm not backing that.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:20:55] Well, am I the only one in the room with a college degree? I'm sort of smart.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:21:01] Nick is the one.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:21:02] I was there. I was right there.

Wes - Episode 90:
[1:21:04] I have a college diploma from a technical school.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:21:09] I was in the dorm room.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:21:10] I read more books than anyone in the room.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:21:13] I think if we're going scales, it's like Antonio Antonio West went to a college-like school.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:21:18] The back cover, Carl.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:21:19] Jalir was in college but got kicked out. Michael reads a lot of books.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:21:24] Okay.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:21:25] I went to college and I dropped out.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:21:26] Oh, you're Jalir. You and Jalir are the same intelligence level.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:21:29] Yeah, he just didn't get a lean addiction.

Wes - Episode 90:
[1:21:30] Yeah.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:21:31] And Nick never graduated high school. So...

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:21:34] But, like, we're smart in different ways. I'd say we're all pretty intelligent.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:21:38] Yeah, I know my colors.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:21:39] But, uh...

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:21:40] Yeah, carry on.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:21:40] What I was saying, yeah, people being influenced by media or like literature to do things like um was it catcher in the rye inspired to do to kill um john lennon was catcher in the rye damn.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:21:52] Really is that real that's.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:21:53] What he said.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:21:54] Oh i was gonna say i would just shoot him because he's a dick john lennon.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:21:58] Yeah john lennon is that the one who is.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:22:00] That he also made woman is the n-word of the world go ahead and listen to that.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:22:04] I have listened to it yeah.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:22:05] How'd you feel.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:22:05] Tempo little yeah.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:22:07] And do you think he censors himself in the song no.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:22:11] No he He didn't censor it though because it wasn't the girl who heard it.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:22:13] It was Ketcher in the rough.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:22:14] John Lennon's a piece of shit.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:22:15] But like to an extent Woman is the.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:22:18] And it's the.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:22:19] You think he was growing his age?

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:22:21] Of course.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:22:22] Women is a nigga of the world. That might be the hit.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:22:24] All right, bro.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:22:26] That might have been a hit. Put some auto-pull on that.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:22:28] Hey, hey, hey. On the master PB? On the limit? I call my bitch a nigga.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:22:34] I call my bitch a nigga. I call my bitch a nigga. What?

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:22:39] That ain't my bitch. That ain't my bitch.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:22:42] That's my bitch.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:22:42] Fuck them other bitches. I'm down for my nigga. Yo. Antonio just shouted us out saying that we were smart as hell. We just regret it.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:22:49] Immediately immediately.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:22:50] Regret we did we bought the not we bought.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:22:52] The shadow ban on we did it immediate 180 damn but no i mean like to an extent you can't it's not verse like yeah i think that's why i said like the intent matters like the catcher in the they do that road catcher in the ride didn't write anything in there that someone could take like like bro like to an extent to an extent like i i would i would say like the majority of the responsibility and when it comes to like how you interpret art or anything like that is you. But like, yeah, like at the end of the day, but, but like, that's like the same shit as like with the media, with like this shit. Like, that's why I said the intent matters because. with media they a lot of times they are trying to manipulate you like they are trying that with that's their intention like with this shit like and i've noticed that too i understand the point to an extent about like certain things like the fucking uh like um uh what the fuck was the nickelodeon document quiet on the set i get why that's necessary but like to an extent but like Like, sometimes you can sense that they're doing it for a right reason. With the teeth. Sometimes.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:24:07] Yeah.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:24:08] Sometimes it feels like you're set. Capitalizing on, like, who did the TV show.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:24:13] The Yaks TV show.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:24:15] Yeah, the slime one.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:24:17] Yeah, he walked off the set when he found out what the shit was about. He thought he was just doing, like, a memoriam of Nickelodeon, I guess. Just, like, saying, hey, I was part of Nickelodeon's rise.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:24:26] Yeah.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:24:27] And then he found out what the shit was about. He walked off set.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:24:30] So what name did they tell him?

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:24:31] Because they lied to him.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:24:32] Them like instead of he.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:24:33] Literally said that they talked they didn't give him a name i don't know if they gave him a name but they said they went on there to talk about it's like nickelodeon just.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:24:39] Say we're working on a documentary.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:24:40] And then so like trauma porn demi lovato is like the queen of that shit no tea no shade no pink lemonade but hey.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:24:48] I like pink lemonade i.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:24:50] Thought you're about to say i like.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:24:51] Right i'm like wolf uh she's.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:24:55] Not bad she wasn't bad.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:24:56] She's not bad but uh demi lovato has a tendency to yeah yeah that's why i'm okay i'm so okay demi lovato has a tendency to monopolize her trauma so much if she makes another documentary about her overdosing or about her addiction she's got child stars coming up and she's made it's already out her.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:25:17] Own documentaries about it.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:25:18] Yeah she's done two or three of them at this point every time she this bitch has the overdose she makes a documentary about it or makes an album about it and it makes It makes me mad because at some point you are trying to capitalize, off what you have gone through what other people may relate to and also i feel like at this point you're a dick your addiction is bigger than you just being on drugs and what you were just and you being a child star stuff because you have no problem like not even two or three years later revisiting this shit and getting people to talk about it with you about it it baffles me and so like yeah it could be for educational purposes but also again intent i guess because then levato's the queen of that shit yep she just released a documentary about child care and about child stars like in the vein of quiet on the set and they had like people rang the simone other disney channels starts keenan thompson on there and everybody talks and also talks about their own struggles but also denny lovato also linked it to oh my god i'm eating this on her oh my god i was in so much stuff oh my god i i um drew barrymore's on it oh my god i had my first drink when i was tatton like kept connecting her being a child star to all her addictions in life so like and then again this is our third or fourth one so like what is the intent to that at this point that's at this point what do you bitch what do you we get it at a certain point.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:26:40] I think that's what that's why i said that shit because like sometimes it feels like it's necessary and then sometimes it feels like people are like it's like a it's like a it's like a lane and then it.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:26:52] Becomes comes.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:26:52] A cash grab like because like so so for example like some documentaries and dramatizations and shit like they they they have a place like like uh like so for example wes when i like i i had gotten into a rut and i like couldn't i i hadn't like worked on music or like anything like that in a minute and then wes i guess noticed that i like i i had been like uninspired and then he showed me like a xxx sentacion um documentary right or maybe it was a juice world.

Wes - Episode 90:
[1:27:33] I believe i told you about the x one i think we watched both the x and the juice one but i think it was the juice one that you're talking.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:27:41] We we watched one and then i was like damn like i like i did feel inspired after watching it we definitely watched the xxx and tassione one too, but then like so in the in the case of xxx and tassione we watched the documentary the documentary is good you feel inspired you learned about this person and then they make three more documentaries in the same year like.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:28:04] Stay trying to get that money.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:28:07] What like we don't need to see like every company it's like the same shit is about the streaming shit like every company that ever worked with this nigga does not need to make a documentary like just contribute on the one yeah everybody y'all unite for one like you don't need to make a documentary you're like so they.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:28:22] Want to split shit they.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:28:23] Got 30 oh my god million documentaries and no new information. Y'all just re-edited it.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:28:30] Yes, just re-editing. Re-puzzling the same information or showing it in different chronological order.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:28:35] Well, hold on. Hold on. I ain't trying to step on your point or anything.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:28:38] Don't step on my point, nigga.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:28:39] You stepped on mine.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:28:40] French nigga.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:28:42] Sacre bleu. No, but speaking on that and everything with the Biggie and Tupac thing, that's why it was a doc that came out on Biggie that was talking about his upbringing and his story. Instead of just, it didn't even talk about his death. It just talked about how he was raised, what he liked doing, his relationship with his mom. Informative stuff like that. That stuff inspired me. Like the Kanye doc that happened on Netflix. Be quiet, Nick. That happened on Netflix. It inspired a lot of people just because it wasn't just the old talking about the crazy stuff that he got going on.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:29:19] Whitney Houston had something similar. There was like a Lifetime documentary that was really good and then like, maybe under 10 years later there was the big tv i mean the big movie documentary about wendy houston and showed more of the uh dramatization stuff yeah it's crazy how they do that and like yeah i guess yeah i think your point is like really strong that like the intent matters like yeah it's all for entertainment purposes right but like.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:29:43] There's a somebody there's a way to there's a way to do it without disrespecting yeah like like so so like i watched that uh worst x ever documentary like i watched the three episodes of it they have the victims on there they're talking about the shit that's a different case like and i even i think like even if you're gonna take like these dramatizations you compare like like the dahmer or like whatever the the menendez and like all these dramatizations to like mindhunter where like the mind mindhunter is like all these characters are involved but you can tell that they took they took specific care to make sure that they looked like the person they they acted like the person they never really got into the killings and like that they didn't get into that that much and then what they did was accurate to what what actually happened yeah like it was like it was like bar for bar like like this is what happened so, They're doing it in a tasteful way, and they're never idolizing or glorifying or whatever, like, sympathizing with the killers.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:30:51] Yeah.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:30:52] Like, they're letting you know who these people are.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:30:54] I'm going to check out My Hunter.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:30:55] My Hunter is goaded.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:30:57] Nigga. I'm probably going to watch that this week. I'm going to try.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:31:00] I'm going to try to finish both of the other ones before I start My Hunter.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:31:05] Yo, I know I keep talking about it, bro, but that acting and that,

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:31:10] what's it called? I think it was in it.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:31:11] And i see like yeah they got some top tier talent in in that show the.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:31:15] Menendez one i.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:31:16] Might watch it oh.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:31:17] No in the minute it's one oh okay i thought you're talking about mine.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:31:19] But that's what i'm saying like bro yeah.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:31:20] My hunter gets up there.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:31:21] I saw hunter is phenomenal but like that's that's why i said that shit too about the intent and they're like it feels like it's like they're jumping on a fucking bandwagon because how the fuck is are they in spain doing the same thing that you're doing here yeah like so like they could really do that in any country like and just drama and they i'm pretty sure they have because there's a mexican one too if i don't like there's like mexican dramatization of like murders and like that yeah i'm sure yeah and shit you can do that anywhere that's like that means that you're like in a genre now yeah and now you're just turning people and i just feel like the notch has been just into a bag the notch has been Who is this?

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:32:02] So high.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:32:03] What happened? Oh, shit. Nigga, write this script real quick. Nigga, chat GPT this shit, bro. That is nuts.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:32:14] Honestly, some of these scripts, bro, some of the dialogue in some of these movies and TV shows, this is why they need to protect AI, because you could definitely tell an automated system wrote this shit.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:32:28] Before we sign off, I do have a documentary that I absolutely love and enjoy. It's not anything that we're talking about, though. It's no murder or nothing. And I think it's the most creative documentary that I've ever watched because it's also a movie. It's called American Animals. It's with Barry Keoghan, Evan Peters, and a couple other people.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:32:47] I love Barry Keoghan. Murder on the dance floor.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:32:51] But during the movie, they're interviewing the people it's about because it's about four kids in college robbing like an art museum yeah okay at their school uh but they're interviewing the real people who did it oh and then like so they go through the like they transition from a documentary format of them sitting there telling it and then and it'll just go yeah and the thing that like most like not everybody's on the same story some people are like no i went this way so yeah.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:33:21] Because there's always like what three versions that person that person.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:33:24] Yes and there's There's one part in there that I love because one of them is like, he told me in the car I had to go to a party. And the other guy's like, I told him on the balcony at the party. So that scene that they're in switches. They're still in the same spot, but it's fucking genius. And the way that they shot it, it's really good. And I think it's like, I feel like, I mean, clearly they could do it because the people were still alive.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:33:50] Yeah.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:33:51] But I feel like if you were going to do some stuff, that would be a really good way to do it with the things that are out now.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:33:56] That just made me think of something and the you know we can finish but that just made me think of something that i wanted to say about that the like the morality and the intention of it earlier the the the the other problem with what like the morality of it is that like when you're you're talking about real people in real situations and then, if like maybe like it's like nine to one people that watch shit for educational versus entertainment purposes like I know that I'm like that you're like that not everyone is like that where like you'll watch some shit and then like research who, this was I go through a Wikipedia fucking, so a lot of people won't do that laughing.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:34:51] That's strike two for you today bro you better shut up today we almost done but the the other problem with that is that with dramatizations especially, it's like even with what you just said what you said about the hernandez one like you said like they're showing gay scenes and shit but this is alleged, there are people that are just going to see this and run with it like and they're so they're, That nigga was gay. Yeah, that's where they got their information from because they're assuming that it's true and you are kind of fudging shit to make it more entertaining. And then you can just easily, obviously easily, you can write it off and be like, well, I said it was a dramatization. I said it was based on facts.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:35:43] Rob Schneider is a pickle. I love how you do that voice.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:35:46] Rob Schneider.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:35:47] He was trending on fucking Twitter and that was the first video.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:35:53] He's a bigot bro i would never have thought all the diverse.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:35:57] Characters that he's played.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:35:58] I would never have thought he was a bigot sorry but but.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:36:01] So any that that that's another reason why like the the ethical part of that like one boy is is it's crazy because like i think i told you guys when we did the call like bro when narcos came out when narcos when narcos came out, I remember seeing people, like, sympathizing with Pablo Escobar. I'm like, Pablo Escobar killed a waiter over a spoon.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:36:27] Yeah.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:36:28] Pablo Escobar at a party, at a party, like, he obviously, he was a billionaire. He got, like, pure silver silverware at this party in Colombia. Colombia is poor as fuck.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:36:42] Group.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:36:43] So so colombia is a poor country he had this waiter there the waiter stole a spoon or a fork it was like a single piece of silverware he hid it they somehow pablo escobar found out about it they hogtied this nigga and kicked him into the pool like people.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:37:04] In america have killed for less.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:37:05] Like bro like pablo escobar was like he might have done robin hood type shit but you didn't cross he was he did fucked up shit bro like that nigga there was no redemption there was another but the.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:37:17] Lady that um sophia vergara played and.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:37:20] Rizel de blanco yeah and they were doing the same thing too they.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:37:23] Were like yeah she did great things for.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:37:24] Her neighborhood men do to her and it made her crazy yeah but people say well.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:37:29] Grizel de blanco like bro all of these people are like like bro like yeah.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:37:33] They might have done great things but in the over ethically.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:37:36] You're just that's the problem you're seeing them like when you see them in a dramatization you're looking at them like a a character not like a person also that's the problem and it goes.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:37:45] Back to also and like if linking it back to our realm and superhero shit and me having a problem with fucking joker you cannot that joker to hero like make heroes of these villains yeah it's not okay because they take because people take the wrong shit from the story in.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:38:08] All fairness only one person was killed because of the Joker and that was after watching Heath Ledger's performance.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:38:15] It makes me mad. I just actually watched the documentary.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:38:17] Heath Ledger snapped. What?

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:38:19] Heath Ledger did snap.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:38:21] There was a murder when Dark Knight Rises came out. There was a murder at the movie theater.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:38:27] It was after the Joker.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:38:28] And then did you know when Joker came out the 2017 whatever year that came out that movie refuses to play Batman movies now going forward because of what happened.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:38:39] I would too because Because, yeah, Dark Knight Rises was trash.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:38:41] But it's the truth.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:38:42] Though. People literally defend these fucking villains. They're not good people.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:38:48] No, they're not good people.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:38:49] And stop doing it.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:38:50] Real quick, because we're talking about dramatization of things and everything like that. There are two movies that are fantastic, and they're based on true events. And one I talk about all the time, what I really love.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:39:03] Where's my boy?

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:39:05] Radio. But, no, that's not the one I'm talking about. One is Hacksaw Ridge. Thank you. you're going to get us canceled.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:39:14] I'm sorry.

Wes - Episode 90:
[1:39:15] What?

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:39:15] What did you not learn from Michael?

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:39:16] I'm sorry.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:39:17] What did I do?

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:39:17] Strike.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:39:19] Yeah.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:39:19] But no, Hacksaw Ridge, and it's based off that guy who wanted to join the war, but he refused to use weapons, and he just wanted to be a medic.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:39:27] Yeah.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:39:28] And the thing that I liked about that was they had an interview of him at the end. So you're watching the whole movie, and you're indulged in this character. But in your mind during the movie, this is a character, but at the end of the movie, you're seeing an interview with the real person, So that brings you back to reality. Like, this is a real person. This movie was based off somebody else. And they did that on Judas and the Black Messiah. The guy, that Lakeith Stanfield character. They had an interview with him at the end of the movie. Like, the real one of him. So I think that that's also, like, if... I mean, clearly they're not going to do that shit for shows and movies like that.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:40:02] Everyone, but that's a good way.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:40:04] But I feel like that grounds you. Because, I mean, it is a dramatization. and that does like take you to a world that is not real in your mind because you're like this is a movie yeah but when you have an interview with the real people at the end it brings you back down because like when i'm watching the movie i'm like bro this shit is insane.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:40:19] Like especially.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:40:20] With like hex origin judas and the black messiah because that feels like some shit that really couldn't happen yes but it did and when you're watching that movie you're like this shit is crazy and then you get to the end and you see the real person you're like hey bro like damn like with the hacksaw original when you're like hey man good for you with the jews and the black messiah like fuck you.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:40:42] But that's a that's that's the other thing about it which is like and we'll leave off on that i'm sorry i keep thinking of shit like as you're saying it, that's the other thing about it is that like and it's not completely on like who's doing it but like i mean i mean like the the filmmakers and like whoever's like shooting like ryan murphy or whoever to an extent like the the other problem with with that shit is that when you view these things as entertainment or just as stories or like whatever the fuck you are ignoring the fact that this happened and it can happen like people do that shit with like it's not fiction yeah like people do that shit with like history and like all kinds of shit like uh racism you know uh That was in the 60s Like communist countries Communist rebellions Like fucking Like any kind of Like government collapses Russia right now.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:41:41] The government collapsing government's uprising government's ball like any palestine genocides literal genocides like you you learn about that to be honest to be honest that's why i got like so fucking passionate when this shit was happening like when the the initial shit in uh palestine was happening was because i was a person in history class listening to the teacher tell these stories and i'm like what the fuck like there was never a point in my where i was just listening to this like it was a story i always understood that this was real and i was like why the fuck were people so stupid and i was like i'm listening to it i'm like how how did they let this happen why did this happen like but all kinds of shit and then like like we start seeing the shit happen in real life and i'm like what the fuck like yeah like but you know like but that like that can happen like girls do get abducted by men girls do get killed by their boyfriends like but then i i kind of just kind of get nihilistic sometimes because the more you research shit and you read about shit you realize that it's people have always done the same things cycle and like the only thing that changes is the technology. So I'm like, maybe we're just doomed. All right.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:43:03] Well, I wanted to... When we was talking about Demi Lovato, I wanted to say...

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:43:07] Fucking French people.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:43:09] About Demi Lovato. Imagine y'all getting high and the next thing you do...

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:43:16] You relate to Demi Lovato?

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:43:17] She's like, yo... I gotta make a... Why y'all getting high? You know how much of a bug that is?

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:43:26] You're gonna see her do...

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:43:27] Just break it in yo tie this around your arm.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:43:34] Right I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie we're.

Anthonio Episode 90:
[1:43:40] Going to hell I.

Leer - Episode 90:
[1:43:40] Hate that shit she.

Persia - Episode 90:
[1:43:42] Would not be able to do it after she got high so she would have to tell him she would have to give him a time frame yeah if she was on heroin, come in come in in three minutes it's like yeah all right that was it all right see you.

Nick - Episode 90:
[1:44:03] Space cowboys later.