# 95 - The Penguin Deep Dive!: What REALLY Happened to Vic?!

Welcome back to the Bebop Boys Podcast! On this episode, we’re diving headfirst into the Penguin series finale—and, oh man, it was a wild ride! From the gut-wrenching betrayal of Vic (seriously, Oz?!) to wild theories about what’s next for Gotham’s kingpin, we’ve got it all. We break down all the twists, the heartbreaking moments, and why Oswald is officially on our shit list.

But it’s not all tears and anger—okay, maybe a lot of anger—we also unpack Sophia’s villain origin story, Oz’s creepy mommy issues (yeah, we said it), and why Vic was the true MVP. Plus, we go all in on theories for Batman 2. Mr. Freeze? Court of Owls? Let’s talk.

And because we can’t help ourselves, we spiral into broader DC madness: Lex Luthor's chaotic energy in Superman & Lois and how DC heroes really need to rethink that ‘no-kill’ rule. This one’s a rollercoaster, so buckle up, Space Cowboys and Cowgirls—you don’t want to miss it!

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Transcript

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:15] Oh, that's funny. All right. All right. Mic check 1212 BeBop Boys back. Welcome back to the BeBop Boys podcast where we talk about movies, anime, comic books, TV shows, and all types of other floss shit. And, yeah, look, Antonio's waving at you guys because you guys have been showing love. So, yeah, Wes told him to sit the fuck back. Scoop the fuck over.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:43] Get comfortable. All right. Whole ass leg up.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:48] Fellas, fellas, how you got? Freaky ass name. He a fan fan. How you guys doing?

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:58] Hey, guys.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:59] Hey, what's up? Beautiful people?

Anthonio Episode 65:
[2:02] Beautiful people. You're beautiful people. You're beautiful people. Marilyn Manson? Thank you.

Nick - Episode 65:
[2:07] I know Marilyn Manson.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[2:08] Trust me. Hey, yo, what are you?

Leer - Episode 65:
[2:11] I was only thinking Chris Brown, Beautiful People.

Nick - Episode 65:
[2:14] Oh, okay.

Leer - Episode 65:
[2:14] A different type of hit. You gotta grab your mic and say that. Yo, that Chris Brown doc came out and nobody said a fucking thing.

Nick - Episode 65:
[2:25] Nobody will.

Leer - Episode 65:
[2:27] It's on Max, bro. I ain't watching that shit. We're not watching that in my household. Nope, we love Chris Brown in my household.

Matt - Episode 65:
[2:33] I love his music.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[2:35] Why can't we cancel Chris Brown?

Leer - Episode 65:
[2:37] Because canceling doesn't exist. Look at the fucking president. Cancel culture is dead. It's gone. It's gone, you guys. sorry i know what we gotta get people out of here too.

Matt - Episode 65:
[2:47] Many women are in love with chris brown for him to ever get canceled can i talk about my mom.

Leer - Episode 65:
[2:51] My mom.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[2:52] Her she's 55 years old yeah her favorite artist.

Leer - Episode 65:
[2:57] Bro the nigga can back her favorite current current artist her favorite.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[3:02] Current artist is chris brown.

Leer - Episode 65:
[3:06] And i would never understand flip on beat to march madness who else can do that.

Nick - Episode 65:
[3:11] I I just seen him get shot in that movie.

Leer - Episode 65:
[3:13] Stump the Yard.

Nick - Episode 65:
[3:14] Yeah.

Leer - Episode 65:
[3:14] Very sad movie.

Nick - Episode 65:
[3:16] Nah.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[3:16] He get hit by the car and then...

Leer - Episode 65:
[3:19] No. No, he did get hit by the car, but he got up and ran. Chris Brown was not scaling down no building. Whoever was the fucking stunt devil was like a dark skinned nigga. You could see the back of his neck and shit. I'm like... He has a diabetes dark neck.

Nick - Episode 65:
[3:36] I had a stunt double in a video once.

Leer - Episode 65:
[3:38] I know. I was the stunt double.

Nick - Episode 65:
[3:39] No, you weren't. My boy David was Shout out to David Not me I think he's a police officer now So.

Leer - Episode 65:
[3:44] What was the movie? I mean the.

Nick - Episode 65:
[3:47] It was Project for School, And it was, we had to make a commercial for a product and it was an energy drink. And so it was me playing basketball. I, you know, didn't do great. So then I.

Leer - Episode 65:
[4:00] What the fuck was that?

Nick - Episode 65:
[4:01] That was me. I got my hand in my pocket. Yeah. It was like. I fucking missed. You know what I'm saying? I got fucking airballed that shit, you know? And then I ran to the sidelines, you know, took a sip of the energy drink and then cut to, it's David in my clothes playing for me. Fun fact about David.

Leer - Episode 65:
[4:19] Yo, he's black.

Nick - Episode 65:
[4:20] David is black. He's also shorter. And that was the...

Anthonio Episode 65:
[4:25] Could you imagine that jump cut? Because, you know, probably it was bad editing. So it's probably just like click, click.

Nick - Episode 65:
[4:34] It was like, there was no color correction. It was just cut to David's on my clothes.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[4:42] Do you still have that?

Nick - Episode 65:
[4:43] Yeah, it's on Facebook.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[4:43] Oh, we got to find it.

Leer - Episode 65:
[4:45] Did he dunk the ball?

Nick - Episode 65:
[4:46] I can find it easy. No, he just like, you know, play basketball. It was me and Boudreaux. No, it was for me and Boudreaux. We did it for some type of art class. We did incorporate it into the Nick and Darien show.

Leer - Episode 65:
[5:01] That's what's up.

Nick - Episode 65:
[5:02] But yeah, we mainly did it for art class though.

Leer - Episode 65:
[5:04] That's what's up. All right. So yeah, we had Comic-Con over the weekend.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[5:08] Fun. Bonding moment.

Leer - Episode 65:
[5:10] Everybody enjoyed themselves.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[5:11] Yeah, it was fun.

Nick - Episode 65:
[5:12] Yeah, I got to talk to one of my favorite comic book artists.

Leer - Episode 65:
[5:14] Who was that?

Nick - Episode 65:
[5:15] For free.

Leer - Episode 65:
[5:16] Who was that?

Nick - Episode 65:
[5:16] Steve McNeven.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[5:17] Did you tell about what he wrote?

Leer - Episode 65:
[5:19] Exactly.

Nick - Episode 65:
[5:19] He didn't write. No, he's an artist. So he did the artwork for Civil War. He did the artwork for Logan, Old Man Logan, sorry, Old Man Logan, which is what the movie Logan is based off of.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[5:32] Yes.

Nick - Episode 65:
[5:32] I thought it was based off of Wolverine. A very controversial comic book. A lot of people, you know, a lot of people that I talk to don't like it, but for me- Old Man Logan? No, no. This is a different comic book. he did their work for a comic book called nemesis which is a very just it not very progressive, i think you told me about that yeah i i don't care like it is what it is i fuck with the comic book it's four issues and it's just about rich people who pay to be super villains and he so he ends up like he ends up there's no heroes in the universe so he just challenges all the greatest detectives in each country and kills them off. And so what he does is he comes to America greatest detectives in Washington, D.C. He's very conservative. He finds out that his son is gay and his daughter had an abortion before.

Leer - Episode 65:
[6:24] Oh, no.

Nick - Episode 65:
[6:24] So what he does to torture, well, he's conservative. So he's a very Christian man. So what Nemesis does...

Leer - Episode 65:
[6:33] Don't look at me like that. You know how much I love abortions?

Matt - Episode 65:
[6:37] Okay.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[6:40] Carry on, Nicholas.

Nick - Episode 65:
[6:41] So what he does is he kidnaps the detective's family. He kidnaps the family. And then he gets the sister pregnant by the brother.

Leer - Episode 65:
[6:50] Wait.

Nick - Episode 65:
[6:51] Yeah.

Leer - Episode 65:
[6:53] I ain't with that shit.

Nick - Episode 65:
[6:54] Well, he doesn't make them have sex. He takes the sperm from the brother, injects it into the sister.

Leer - Episode 65:
[7:00] Oh, he takes it.

Nick - Episode 65:
[7:01] Yeah. So gets her pregnant. And then he says, you can't abort the baby because now it's public that the daughter's pregnant. we didn't say with who but we just you know you can't because now it's public and people will know so then he forces them to have the baby and all that stuff it's uh very dark but the artwork steven even's artwork phenomenal absolutely gorgeous stunning i'm pretty sure everybody's seen pages from things he's done um yeah he's he's done fantastic work uh some avengers so.

Leer - Episode 65:
[7:29] You got to talk to him for the free ball.

Nick - Episode 65:
[7:30] Yeah he was just he was doing signatures for 10 bucks oh wow.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[7:33] Oh that's cool yeah i had that happen with jason momoa one of my first comic-con really yeah one of my first times i started going to comic-con uh i met jason momoa right when he got announced as uh aquaman oh shit uh and he was just chilling you know and my friend samantha shout out to samantha uh that was samantha she had a boner for him because of him being count drago, uh on game of thrones and uh she was like oh my god let's go talk to him i'm like okay fine And then, so she was like, oh my, she went to talk to him and

Anthonio Episode 65:
[8:06] she's like, oh my God, I love you. And I was like, oh my God, you're cool. You're a big, big. He was like, yeah. How you doing guys? And he was cool. Big. He's a big guy.

Leer - Episode 65:
[8:15] Like, smile at me when you say that.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[8:20] Woof. Like, look, my don't like guys taller than me or bigger than me. I'm very much into shorter men. Woof.

Leer - Episode 65:
[8:30] So wait. So you rather your.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[8:32] Partner be shorter to me yeah i.

Leer - Episode 65:
[8:34] Don't have a problem with tall taller or not.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[8:37] About you.

Nick - Episode 65:
[8:37] Nick i don't care.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[8:39] Okay all right yeah but yeah uh so yeah and then he signed something for us for free we talked to him for a good like 10 minutes before we moved on he was yeah he chatted up with us for but he was really sweet.

Leer - Episode 65:
[8:49] He wasn't like y'all y'all got your picture get the fuck on he.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[8:52] Was no yeah we said he signed it and yeah did it for free then my this samantha after the fact uh got a picture picture like a professional picture with him and then later that day, I'm just chilling in the lounge and he was coming out he walks I was gonna say something graphic nevermind god damn it he walks, like a wrestler huh you know what i mean like the like he's walking down the stage yeah so he was walking into the into the comic-con it was at regular the one we went to motor city motor city so do you believe walking in and he was and he was like hey what's up nice to see you again i'm thinking yeah so.

Leer - Episode 65:
[9:32] Do you believe the uh i don't know if it was rumors or anything that amber amber heard said that during the Aquaman 2 shooting that he was very rude to her.

Matt - Episode 65:
[9:44] Well, we don't listen to anything she has to say.

Leer - Episode 65:
[9:47] I won't eat. I won't eat.

Nick - Episode 65:
[9:47] She also accused Johnny Depp of a bunch of stuff.

Matt - Episode 65:
[9:49] And she's shitting the bed.

Leer - Episode 65:
[9:51] She's a shitter.

Nick - Episode 65:
[9:53] I think everybody's a shitter.

Matt - Episode 65:
[9:55] She took shit the bed too literally.

Leer - Episode 65:
[9:59] Probably just two wet ass turds.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[10:02] Gross. I'm not gonna... I don't know. I don't know. in my experience of the few about 30 minutes total of experience I've had of him pause 30 minutes, I don't want to say like experience of the the total combined time that I had with him in short increments he and this was almost 10 years ago now what Superman that was 2015 I.

Nick - Episode 65:
[10:30] Don't know it's a long time ago.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[10:31] Long time ago yeah so he was a very sweet man to me and my friend. He was he remembered us. You know what I'm saying? He got a picture. You know what I'm saying? So he was very sweet. I like those little moments.

Nick - Episode 65:
[10:44] In contact that.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[10:44] You don't know.

Nick - Episode 65:
[10:45] I actually ran into John Berthold.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[10:47] I did too.

Nick - Episode 65:
[10:48] He was very nice about it. He was just walking around the con.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[10:51] He was just walking around the con and I bumped into him.

Nick - Episode 65:
[10:55] I was looking down at my camera and I bumped in. I looked up because of course I'm going to apologize. But he was like my bad. I'm so sorry. And I was like I ran into you that's that is on me wait wait when'd.

Leer - Episode 65:
[11:06] You meet john berthoff.

Nick - Episode 65:
[11:06] It was a couple cons ago yo.

Leer - Episode 65:
[11:09] You ain't asking why he a dick on walking dead.

Nick - Episode 65:
[11:11] No okay it was back when he he got announced as the punisher.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[11:14] Why would you do that i would i don't know i feel awkward i don't know i don't do this but when i meet celebrities or have those questions i'd be like awkward to bring up shit that they did in as characters i don't do that well.

Leer - Episode 65:
[11:26] Because i'm nosy i want to know and i won't be able to like sleep unless you answer.

Nick - Episode 65:
[11:30] No i just ask them what their favorite movie is.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[11:32] Yeah like Yeah, that's what I do. Or I will ask, I met a Power Ranger. One of the Power Rangers. The Power Rangers' Time Force. The Pink Ranger. I can't think of her real name, but her name was Jen in the show. And I asked her was she satisfied with her character's... ending in the tv show and the comic book spinoff what they did for her for her character that's.

Nick - Episode 65:
[11:55] A good question though.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[11:56] Yeah that's a good yeah so i was i'll ask her like were you satisfied with what they did with your character after your exit or whatever but i'm not gonna be like you remember episode one two three four five when you when you i'm a fan when you said no yeah but you should have said yes why did you do that i'm not why did you do what the writer told you right why.

Leer - Episode 65:
[12:17] Were you smashing her in the fucking grass, bro.

Nick - Episode 65:
[12:21] I don't like the way they wrote your hair to her.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[12:22] I find that so weird when people be like, you remember in Buffy episode 1, 2, 3 when Willow...

Leer - Episode 65:
[12:30] We can't be fans? We can't be fans.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[12:33] A lot of this shit happened years ago, decades even. You know what I'm saying?

Leer - Episode 65:
[12:37] That's why I'd be so impressed when they still fucking know.

Nick - Episode 65:
[12:40] You're gonna get a hair support.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[12:42] You gotta remember.

Leer - Episode 65:
[12:43] Because then you find out they were really fans of this show. like for example Walking Dead one reason that he got killed off was because that they changed, producers and directors so they were trying to advance the story a little bit he actually stayed a little bit longer than he did in his comic book but they had to get rid of him get him off there so and like I usually hear him talk about it because he be like on podcasts and everything and he talks about he's very passionate not even just about that show but just projects that he's in he be passionate about that shit that's why he does I love his little I love his little podcast I told.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[13:18] Y'all That one podcast he did with His co-star from Daredevil The Deborah And they played D&D They had like a D&D moment it.

Leer - Episode 65:
[13:27] Was very.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[13:27] Cool Like yeah look at them online She's a dungeon master Karen that's her name on the show Karen Fisher Yeah she plays the She's the blonde in Daredevil.

Leer - Episode 65:
[13:39] Yeah And she's.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[13:42] A dungeon master in D&D And he was like how do you play D&D i don't understand blah blah blah and they have a whole dnd moment and it's like two seconds maybe minutes and it was very good and i'm like damn i want to play dnd um.

Leer - Episode 65:
[13:56] But no overall comic-con was very fun man it was uh when you fucking got there oh yeah when i fucking got there it.

Matt - Episode 65:
[14:02] Is deborah cluner was there when we were there.

Leer - Episode 65:
[14:04] You said cluner cluner, Klooner is the Star Trek dude, right?

Matt - Episode 65:
[14:10] Nope.

Leer - Episode 65:
[14:11] No, don't know that.

Matt - Episode 65:
[14:12] Never from Detroit.

Nick - Episode 65:
[14:14] Oh, that means nothing.

Leer - Episode 65:
[14:15] Who?

Matt - Episode 65:
[14:16] You don't know who Klooner is?

Leer - Episode 65:
[14:17] I thought he said Klooner. Like Ryan Klo- Kugler? Kugler.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[14:22] Kugler?

Matt - Episode 65:
[14:23] C-L-O-N-E-R.

Leer - Episode 65:
[14:26] I never heard of him.

Nick - Episode 65:
[14:27] No.

Leer - Episode 65:
[14:27] Play some music for me when-

Nick - Episode 65:
[14:29] John Cusack was there.

Leer - Episode 65:
[14:30] John Cusack was there. Logic was there. All right. All right.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[14:34] The dude at the- Remember the guy? When we were getting our wristbands When we were getting our wristbands, We were talking about the different people right there Because my friend Luis is there And he was just going through Oh this person's there He's like logic's here And the guy was like I don't know why.

Leer - Episode 65:
[14:52] That was a joke in my house for a minute Like why the fuck is.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[14:57] I'm not making fun of him I'm like why Well cause.

Leer - Episode 65:
[15:00] He was on TwitchCon like three years.

Matt - Episode 65:
[15:01] Ago He's a huge nerd that's why he was there.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[15:04] But does he have to be But.

Nick - Episode 65:
[15:05] He doesn't contribute to the community.

Matt - Episode 65:
[15:07] Oh no at all I don't agree He doesn't do.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[15:09] Twitch anymore right He doesn't still have his podcast No.

Matt - Episode 65:
[15:13] He don't They just saw him as a big name and he probably wanted to be there So they were like yeah.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[15:18] Why can't you just come as a.

Nick - Episode 65:
[15:20] Why don't you just come as yourself.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[15:24] He didn't need to be there Why did he just come as a No offense As a guest They paid this nigga to come He got paid to just come to Comic Con.

Nick - Episode 65:
[15:33] He had nobody in his line.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[15:35] Yeah we saw him Yeah we saw it was going in the line.

Nick - Episode 65:
[15:37] They had Frenchie and Kimiko there too.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[15:40] Yeah She's buffer in person Make her look demure She's very pretty And.

Nick - Episode 65:
[15:49] Frenchie has hair, He looks weird.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[15:51] I didn't notice him at first. Luis had to point him out to me.

Matt - Episode 65:
[15:53] I should have went over there and asked him why it took two years for me to get my under pressure poster after the album came out.

Nick - Episode 65:
[16:01] You would have been the only one in this line.

Matt - Episode 65:
[16:02] I know, but I would have gotten an answer.

Leer - Episode 65:
[16:04] You and Kyle. I would have been there.

Matt - Episode 65:
[16:06] I would have gotten an answer.

Leer - Episode 65:
[16:07] Dude who killed John Lennon.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[16:09] Kill John Lennon. Kill John Lennon.

Leer - Episode 65:
[16:16] Nah, man. Shout out to Logic, I guess.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[16:18] But no overall overall.

Leer - Episode 65:
[16:20] Man it was beautiful comic-con man i just love going for the scenery like everything is like everything of course.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[16:26] Is hiked up.

Leer - Episode 65:
[16:27] Prices are hiked up and like when we go on sundays i love going on sundays because it's not too crowded you know you don't smell it's bad but like it was.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[16:35] I love the scenery is nice uh comic-con covid you're less likely to get it exactly yeah but yeah you know i got some good stuff my i spent maybe 30 bucks total, because I found some stuff in a I found a good drag in a $5 bin so I bought like four things out of a $5 bin that I was like shit I want it excuse me and I bought some stickers.

Leer - Episode 65:
[16:58] I bought some stickers too.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[16:59] We walked out of there he said capitalism really popped off.

Leer - Episode 65:
[17:04] Capitalism got in yeah he did got a mystery box.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[17:08] Oh I convinced him I was like don't do it bro yeah so my friend Louise was there shout out to lulu and he there was this video game me him and west were looking at it was like a retro game they're.

Matt - Episode 65:
[17:22] Raspberry pies and all it is is a thing and it has all the old retro games uploaded it's an emulator anybody can do it themselves.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[17:32] It's on your phone and he wanted to charge four.

Matt - Episode 65:
[17:35] Hundred dollars four.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[17:36] Hundred dollars and louise was like should i buy it i said i said louise that's a playstation why.

Matt - Episode 65:
[17:45] Would anybody pay the face why would anybody pay 400 for not even a real system like you can't even legally sell that no bro.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[17:55] I'm louise has money to spare because he's an engineer louise.

Nick - Episode 65:
[18:00] Is a good person because me and louise were standing next to each other like looking at the things and the guy came over and he started talking to us and at that point i I dismissed the.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[18:08] Man. I saw that.

Nick - Episode 65:
[18:10] And so I have this new thing where no one's wasting my time anymore. So the guy was like, come over here. I'll show you more about it. And Luis started walking over there with him. He turns around and goes, you coming? And I was like, no.

Leer - Episode 65:
[18:22] You coming? Bitch.

Nick - Episode 65:
[18:23] I looked at my head and I said.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[18:24] No. I saw that happen. I saw that interaction. I said, God.

Leer - Episode 65:
[18:27] Bro.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[18:27] I can see you playing.

Leer - Episode 65:
[18:28] I hate that shit, bro.

Nick - Episode 65:
[18:31] You're not. Damn it.

Leer - Episode 65:
[18:32] Because like, bro, I'm here for the immersion. If I want to buy something, motherfucker, I'm going to come up to you. ask you this like come on man don't try to everybody trying to make a dollar but you ruin it i'm trying to look at these funko pops yeah we got fucking what's going on over there nigga, I don't care. I just want to see these Funko Pops real quick. Oh, this look cool.

Nick - Episode 65:
[18:50] Bro, they really be trying to get you. Did you see this over here? Our prices are the lowest. I'm on eBay right now. No, it's not. Your prices are not the lowest.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[18:59] My ex did that one time. We went to Yomacon, and it was a Sailor Moon locket that I wanted, and it was like $150 she was selling it for. And Garciani went on fucking Amazon. He said, it's under $100.

Leer - Episode 65:
[19:11] Bro, it was a PS3 there. The old one. the first one for $349. I'm like, what the for what? It's backwards compatible. Nigga, it's a PS3.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[19:23] You can get that bitch for $60.

Leer - Episode 65:
[19:25] Exactly. Nigga, I'll steal it for you. Nigga, what are we talking about?

Matt - Episode 65:
[19:32] One of my biggest pet peeves this past year is the hoarders and people that

Matt - Episode 65:
[19:39] manipulate the market for cards and stuff like that. and i saw the stand and it was like pokemon investing and i just looked at them and gave them the dirtiest look in the world because they're literally scum they go to like say costco has like a sale on like boxes they'll go and buy the whole pallet when the store opens and then anybody who else who wanted to go get a pack of pokemon cards or one of the boxes is shit out of luck because this person bought it all up and then they're up charging it online they had like boxes that you can get at Target for 20 bucks they had them marked for $40 I'm like who the fuck do you guys think you are no.

Leer - Episode 65:
[20:19] That's just trash that's normal.

Matt - Episode 65:
[20:22] It's normal but it's shitty I.

Leer - Episode 65:
[20:24] Feel like I'm seeing it more because everything.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[20:27] Is so capitalism is popping off in nerd culture yeah you've seen that more with a lot of shit like shit that don't even again I'm a Power Rangers fan and the shit that they are selling, crazy for Power Rangers merch is insane. This shit, a Morpher should not be $500. Yes, nigga. Yes. This is one Morpher online for fucking $500.

Leer - Episode 65:
[20:54] It's crazy.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[20:56] Or old figures from back in the day for like $100 a pop. Like it's fucking 1993 again. No thank you.

Nick - Episode 65:
[21:04] You can go to that toy store I sent you. You can get them at face value.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[21:08] I'm going tomorrow on my lunch break. because uh there's a pirate i saw in that picture you sent me.

Nick - Episode 65:
[21:12] Yeah there's.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[21:12] Something i want and i'm gonna grab it.

Nick - Episode 65:
[21:13] Yeah they got some nice stuff in there and like i said i think it's just face value, but like i know that's the one that store that i sent is a nice local store and again they don't up the price on anything like i went in there and uh i just got my uh colossus um fucking colossus juggernaut mondo figure and they had a couple other mondo figures in there that i want right And they had them cheaper than what they sell them on the website. Like they had Mask of the Phantasm in there. And they're big. The figures are like that big. And they fucking move and everything. They're high quality, good fucking shit. And yeah, they had it on their website, on Mondo's website. I think it's like $2.25. They had it for $1.89. And everything was in there. It was sealed up.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[22:02] Yeah, fucking town toilets or Sarge Reds.

Leer - Episode 65:
[22:03] Yeah.

Nick - Episode 65:
[22:04] Sarge redds sergeant redds so shout out to sergeant redds.

Leer - Episode 65:
[22:08] Well uh west like like you saying like people uh like buying the like buying shit in bulk and then selling it like when the playstation 5 and the xbox series x came out oh yeah they were doing that and it was gone for two years because people would buy them and sell them for a thousand dollars yeah.

Matt - Episode 65:
[22:27] It's kind of bullshit like i get it like the stores aren't going to care because.

Leer - Episode 65:
[22:31] They're in the money regardless.

Matt - Episode 65:
[22:32] But like A place like Costco...

Matt - Episode 65:
[22:36] you have to be a member to be there and you would think a place like that they know they're going to sell them out why wouldn't you put a limit on how many somebody could buy because, you're just screwing over the rest of your members that pay for a membership to come here and get what they want to get why are you allowing somebody to come buy a pallet or two pallets of your products and screwing over the rest of capitalism yeah but they're going to sell regardless i think now.

Leer - Episode 65:
[23:03] They have it.

Matt - Episode 65:
[23:04] To...

Nick - Episode 65:
[23:05] There's limits on things now. They have limits now, but I mean it doesn't stop like all four of us could go in there and just cash out for one person. But they did it with comic books too. They did it terribly with comic books.

Leer - Episode 65:
[23:15] Can't you like... My bad. Can't you like get a bot and like just have them buy it for you?

Nick - Episode 65:
[23:20] So what they were what they would do with the comic books, they did it with Moon Knight. They did it with Werewolf by Night 32. Because I owned that comic. Okay? I had an 8 point... I think I had an 8 grade. 8 or 8.5. I paid $800 for it, right? At the time, not bad at all. Not bad. When I first seen a 9.8, it was like $1,700. Then they announced the Moon Knight show, right?

Leer - Episode 65:
[23:46] Right.

Nick - Episode 65:
[23:46] Didn't get a lot of hype about it, but someone took a Werewolf by Night 32, and then they sold it on eBay to their friend. But they had people ghost bidding on it to rack it up.

Leer - Episode 65:
[24:00] To increase the price, yeah.

Nick - Episode 65:
[24:01] To increase the price but nobody ever actually exchanged the money they just marked it as sold on ebay and nobody actually exchanged the money like he just gave him the money he sent it to him like it was just an even exchange to rack up the price for that comic book so now the ones the copies that he did have he could sell at that value you've now racked up the value of this comic terrible that nobody like at the time gave a fuck about nobody cared about that like, and it's people do that all the time that's why i got out of it because i was like bro if everyone's just scamming each other i'm not getting in this shit so i got out of that shit i get some things from like i just get what i like now i just get i don't care if it's expensive or rare i got a first appearance of vigilante that shit i bought for 15 and it is in pristine condition uh and it's not expensive but i watched peacemaker i loved vigilante in the show and comic book version is not the same i didn't really care for the comic book version but the show version i really enjoyed so i said well let me get that right quick so but yeah they bro people are gonna scam when they can scam that's just how it is they've turned.

Matt - Episode 65:
[25:09] The nerd collectible community into the stock market yeah and a lot of the people that are doing that shit aren't even nerds they just see an opportunity yeah.

Leer - Episode 65:
[25:19] Like how much what people are willing to pay for it.

Matt - Episode 65:
[25:22] Yeah they manipulate so many prices on new Pokemon cards that are coming out. There's this Pikachu. It just came out from the Surging Sparks set. they already were buying up the sets like all the boxes and stuff and like put the pikachu at 500 before that it even came out that's.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[25:44] Crazy that's fucking insane that's i've always hated like stuff before it comes out you don't even have a chance but you don't have a chance you don't even have a chance because like i'm not spending 500 on on a card.

Leer - Episode 65:
[25:53] Don't let something come out during the holiday season shit good luck.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[25:56] Like it took me forever to get a playstation and Now we're at the halfway cycle. It's time for PS6.

Leer - Episode 65:
[26:01] It's already been five years.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[26:02] Yeah.

Leer - Episode 65:
[26:03] It's been five years already.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[26:04] I think they should extend the cycle of the PlayStation 5 a little bit because of COVID and because of that shitty rollout.

Leer - Episode 65:
[26:10] Bro, it had no... I'm not even... Are we getting into that?

Anthonio Episode 65:
[26:13] Yeah.

Leer - Episode 65:
[26:13] We can get into that later.

Nick - Episode 65:
[26:14] Yeah.

Leer - Episode 65:
[26:14] Because I literally had no games for a whole year.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[26:17] We saved it on Xbox. Technically, there's the... What's the library of the PlayStation 5 right now?

Leer - Episode 65:
[26:21] Well, I'm going to say this. Because I did not have a PlayStation 4. so i'm playing all the old playstation 4 games and five games like god of war one and two i love them some of the best games i ever played last of us two i never played last oh.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[26:37] No i have a three four and a five.

Leer - Episode 65:
[26:38] So yeah i only had three i've.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[26:40] Had every since i've had every playstation system and this is the weakest lineup and since i was a kid.

Leer - Episode 65:
[26:46] Well i mean bro we could throw you could throw xbox in there in that shit too because it don't get me started i mean because it's been the game Game Pass has worked a little bit, but it doesn't justify it's no new game. When consoles used to come out, it used to be new games for the consoles. Like when the Switch came out, it was new games for the Switch. When the fucking PS2 came out, it was new games for the PS2. It wasn't fucking, oh, you can play your PS1 games or the old. You're going to remaster those games.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[27:13] A bunch of remasters or re-releases.

Leer - Episode 65:
[27:15] And then in two years, you're going to get your first game.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[27:17] Or you can play.

Leer - Episode 65:
[27:18] No.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[27:18] You know, the PlayStation 5's biggest seller was you could play Spider-Man and Spider-Man Miles Morales. for a whole year on the Playstation 5 and I already had it on Playstation 4 exactly at.

Nick - Episode 65:
[27:31] Least Nintendo.

Matt - Episode 65:
[27:33] Has a lot of exclusives.

Nick - Episode 65:
[27:35] Yeah it's because they don't really have I don't know what it's like anymore but I don't remember bro someone in the GameStop one time was like yeah they don't really have a licensing where anybody can make a game for Nintendo it doesn't have to go past anybody, that's why they have so many random ass games they're like what is this shit.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[27:56] That's what I do like.

Nick - Episode 65:
[27:56] About the Switch it is.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[27:59] Strictly brain rot you know what I'm saying if you're just trying to play like I love my Switch and it's strictly for brain rot I don't have to think I'm gonna get Sonic Cross Shadow for the Switch just lock and run.

Nick - Episode 65:
[28:13] You got it already.

Leer - Episode 65:
[28:15] I've only been playing that in Stardew Valley.

Nick - Episode 65:
[28:17] I know you in Stardew Valley Bro.

Leer - Episode 65:
[28:19] That update finally dropped. Bro, I got the video going up.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[28:22] I was going to buy it for the PlayStation 5. My Switch is currently... So, when I get it back, I'm going to get Sonic Shadow.

Leer - Episode 65:
[28:31] Yeah, get that.

Nick - Episode 65:
[28:33] I'll probably get that shit next week when I get paid.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[28:35] Yeah.

Leer - Episode 65:
[28:35] All right. So, since we talked about, you ready to get into Penguin?

Nick - Episode 65:
[28:39] Yeah. Someone we'd like to see at a convention soon, Colin Farrell.

Leer - Episode 65:
[28:43] Bro, that shit's going to be packed out.

Nick - Episode 65:
[28:44] Colin Farrell.

Leer - Episode 65:
[28:45] He going to fucking Penguin Tour.

Nick - Episode 65:
[28:46] Let's get everybody who was on that fucking show.

Leer - Episode 65:
[28:48] I want to see Sophia, man. That's going to be How I Met Your Mama, for real. She was in How I Met Your Mama.

Nick - Episode 65:
[28:54] You know, I know that.

Leer - Episode 65:
[28:55] She was the mom.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[28:55] What did you say, Wes?

Matt - Episode 65:
[28:57] I hate the mullet. I know everybody's going crazy over the mullet. I do not like any mullet she has. I don't like any mullets on anybody.

Leer - Episode 65:
[29:04] Oh, you're talking about her hair?

Matt - Episode 65:
[29:05] Yeah.

Leer - Episode 65:
[29:05] I'm talking about the titties.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[29:07] What the fuck?

Matt - Episode 65:
[29:09] The mullet cancels it out for me.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[29:13] I can't even think.

Leer - Episode 65:
[29:15] Wait, what? What's going on?

Anthonio Episode 65:
[29:17] I can't even think.

Nick - Episode 65:
[29:18] Nothing. Nothing's going on. Anyway, so yeah.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[29:20] Penguin is like, you can at least be cute about it. Like she's just like.

Nick - Episode 65:
[29:24] Nah, you're fine. You're fine.

Leer - Episode 65:
[29:25] I just can't be cute about shit.

Nick - Episode 65:
[29:27] I'm cute about stuff all the time.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[29:28] Adorable.

Leer - Episode 65:
[29:29] Thank you. I said niggas.

Nick - Episode 65:
[29:33] Wow. I can't be part of it. That's crazy. Discrimination against whites.

Leer - Episode 65:
[29:38] Bro, Trump. No, I'm not getting to that. Penguin.

Nick - Episode 65:
[29:45] Well, corrupt politicians. Penguin. It's over.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[29:51] It's over. That is apt. That is an apt description. It's over. I'm tired of being stressed out every week.

Leer - Episode 65:
[29:58] I'm tired.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[29:59] Of being emotionally.

Leer - Episode 65:
[30:00] I'll be in the bed like oh my god I'm tired of spam texting y'all I'm tired of spam.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[30:06] Texting y'all every Sunday night.

Leer - Episode 65:
[30:09] I'm watching at 2am so I'm like yo I don't look at the chat I don't look at the internet as soon as we get off the so as soon as everything hits I'm like alright I can't do anything.

Nick - Episode 65:
[30:22] I get on every Sunday.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[30:23] Night I be like you guys.

Nick - Episode 65:
[30:25] I watch it as soon as it drops at 9, Nice. That was on camera.

Leer - Episode 65:
[30:33] You know what? He is gay. Here you go. I'm going to get the other one for you. It's okay. I'm alright. I'm alright.

Nick - Episode 65:
[30:40] As soon as it hits 9 o'clock and it drops, I'm on there.

Leer - Episode 65:
[30:43] Bro, they got five in there.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[30:44] I don't want spoilers. That's why.

Leer - Episode 65:
[30:47] Maybe don't do that by the microphone. Mike gonna be mixing that shit. My aneurysm.

Nick - Episode 65:
[30:54] Percy gonna beat your ass.

Matt - Episode 65:
[30:56] I'm very thankful for you guys not saying anything about the episode that was like giving away like.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[31:04] You guys.

Matt - Episode 65:
[31:06] Didn't even say Vic died you guys.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[31:08] Were just like spoiler alerts for the penguin if you ain't watched it now sorry about it pull out some stuttered liquor.

Leer - Episode 65:
[31:15] For my nigga Vic.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[31:17] Because honestly usually I'll tell all the tea in the chat I was in shock I was in shock He was in mourning Because like I've been saying it from jump He gonna die They gonna die, You can't.

Leer - Episode 65:
[31:34] Be nice in a criminal.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[31:35] Organization You can't be a hero in the dark You can't even if you run somebody over I have hope Especially like a nigga like Big I mean a nigga like Penguin Especially like.

Leer - Episode 65:
[31:47] I got hope I have hope We gonna get to it.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[31:52] Okay, we're going to get to my theories.

Leer - Episode 65:
[31:53] Yeah, just get to what you're saying.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[31:54] Okay, but yeah, I... that hurt and i don't know if i can go back to that show for a while bro while epic it is while good it is you know while it had some funny moments and stuff up until these last two episodes these last two episodes really ruined it for me the.

Leer - Episode 65:
[32:11] The way it happened hurt because i'm thinking like okay a gunshot maybe like

Leer - Episode 65:
[32:19] a backstab and something like that but when you putting your arm over somebody. After he say, yo, we family.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[32:26] My family?

Leer - Episode 65:
[32:27] You family. He like, and you know this when he ain't saying shit, he was like, I'm like, damn, dog. I'm in bed like, my girl looking over like, you good? I'm like, he about to do it.

Nick - Episode 65:
[32:40] Bro, bro. I was watching that shit with my girl because she came over to watch that last episode because she was like, I'm not letting anything spoil for me. So she came over to watch it and the whole time I'm like, get the fuck out of here, bro. And she's looking at me just laughing because I'm getting I'm like, bro, get the fuck out of here, bro. I'm like, come on, man. Come on. We're at the end.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[33:03] We were so close.

Nick - Episode 65:
[33:03] I thought he made it out, bro. I thought he made it out. I was like, oh, my boy made it out. Like, this is great. And then he started talking. I'm like, bro, get the fuck out of here, bro.

Leer - Episode 65:
[33:12] But it mirrored the beginning episode so good. Like, it mirrored when they got, what was it? What did they get? Was it the ice cream or whatever. Yeah.

Nick - Episode 65:
[33:23] It's a slushie. They got a suicide.

Leer - Episode 65:
[33:24] Yeah.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[33:25] What's a suicide?

Nick - Episode 65:
[33:26] It's when you mix all the flavors together or kill yourself.

Leer - Episode 65:
[33:29] Bro, I don't know the lady name because if I did, I would shout her out. While they talking, I'm going to look it up. But she did a perfect job writing.

Nick - Episode 65:
[33:39] Oh, Lauren LaFranc.

Leer - Episode 65:
[33:40] Yeah.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[33:41] Oh, yeah. I watched the documentary, the little documentary part afterwards because I was still sitting in my living room like, they really did that.

Leer - Episode 65:
[33:47] They really did that.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[33:48] So I usually skip over that part or you cut it off at that point because at that point, I'm usually texting y'all like, what the fuck? But I sat there with my feelings and watched.

Nick - Episode 65:
[33:56] Lauren LeFranc.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[33:57] I sat there with my feelings for a little bit. It was like... Looking at the why they did this shit.

Leer - Episode 65:
[34:03] I was like, yeah. So what do y'all think about the relationship with him and his moms?

Nick - Episode 65:
[34:08] Okay. Ooh.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[34:09] Do you know what Oedipus Complex is?

Leer - Episode 65:
[34:12] Uh, when I need my, do I not depend on my mama too much?

Anthonio Episode 65:
[34:15] No.

Leer - Episode 65:
[34:15] That's beyond that.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[34:17] No, it's, I'm gonna fuck my mom.

Leer - Episode 65:
[34:19] Okay.

Nick - Episode 65:
[34:19] I call that incest.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[34:21] No, but there's a electro complex and Oedipus Complex is when you have a, uh.

Leer - Episode 65:
[34:26] The grease is working.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[34:28] The grease is working.

Leer - Episode 65:
[34:30] I'll fuck with you. I'll fuck with you. You and Mike. You and them long ass words. They be having them shit locked up. That nigga Mike said poetic-ism. I'm like.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[34:41] Poeticism.

Leer - Episode 65:
[34:41] I'm like, nigga. What?

Nick - Episode 65:
[34:43] Mike, you somebody who raps.

Leer - Episode 65:
[34:46] But yeah, go ahead. I can't keep this. What was the name of it?

Anthonio Episode 65:
[34:50] Oedipus Complex is when a boy has sexual feelings or romantic feelings for his mother. and based on the play Oedipus Rex and the Electra Complex is the reverse of that based on the play Electra the Greek tragedy Electra so this is definitely Oedipus Complex see.

Leer - Episode 65:
[35:09] No other podcast be talking about Oedipus Complex bro we the.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[35:12] Shit no the niggas who should be talking about Oedipus Complex are fucking red peelers who be like females be like anyways um go ahead so yeah so that's so that was another reason why it took me out of it it was these last two episodes and seeing how much Oz just wants to fuck his mom. I know he literally doesn't want to fuck his mom, but just the emotional co-dependence. I know, yeah. I'm trying to be cute. I don't know, because I don't know what that means. If he's just that unstable, ma, tell me you love me, ma.

Leer - Episode 65:
[35:42] You can see it when he was a kid. He was so dependent on, like, I wouldn't even say not physically dependent, but like emotionally dependent on his mother where he teen wiped his brothers I'll see you next time. So he could chill and watch a movie with his mother.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[36:00] They suffered. That wasn't an instant kill. They drowned.

Leer - Episode 65:
[36:06] You watch it with the subtitles on? It said gurgling when the door was closed. I'm like, what the fuck?

Nick - Episode 65:
[36:14] You can hear them kind of...

Leer - Episode 65:
[36:16] Right.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[36:17] But yeah.

Matt - Episode 65:
[36:20] He dressed the woman he fucks up to look like his mom.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[36:25] In the same dress that night do the dance.

Leer - Episode 65:
[36:29] Do the twirl.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[36:32] When I watch stuff like that I'm like thank god I'm gay because like I couldn't imagine fucking someone that looks like a parent.

Nick - Episode 65:
[36:41] You still can being gay none.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[36:43] Of the guys I fuck around with look like my brothers or my father figures you.

Leer - Episode 65:
[36:47] Only fucking deadbeats no dads only deadbeat dads all right yeah think about that i ain't never see a stroller over there.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[37:02] I haven't messed around with anyone that well there was one guy he was a doctor, he was a doctor at my clinic actually he had a kid and we messed around but yeah but he wasn't a homewrecker i wasn't home he was divorced yeah.

Nick - Episode 65:
[37:16] Okay he was free to be.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[37:18] Yeah, but no, I've never...

Leer - Episode 65:
[37:19] In that studio apartment eating fucking lonely man.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[37:22] He had a house in Rose Point. Don't do that.

Leer - Episode 65:
[37:25] Oh, wow, okay. That's what's up. Yeah, let's get back to it. Edifice Complex.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[37:28] But yeah, Edifice Complex. So yeah, Oz definitely wanted his mom's all his attention. Middle Child Complex. You know, you saw the son do... The oldest son do a lot for the mom.

Leer - Episode 65:
[37:40] He wanted that energy.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[37:42] I don't know. It was just...

Nick - Episode 65:
[37:46] Little brothers seem to annoy him.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[37:48] Yeah. And then like, yeah. And as a person with brothers, I understood it. I have three brothers. And I was in a three sibling household kind of like what Oz is. I wasn't Oz. I was not the middle child. The oldest. I'm the oldest of my mom's eyes.

Leer - Episode 65:
[38:04] Jackie?

Anthonio Episode 65:
[38:04] Jackie. Whatever his name is. I am the oldest and I do a lot for my mom. But like, sometimes you see that when you're kids where one child wants more attention than the other. so like you can see you see you see kids like us like i did growing up or you see them growing up or different childhood situation his.

Leer - Episode 65:
[38:23] Mother i don't know if you've seen kids like us.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[38:25] I mean not to that effect i was about to say he's not killing no one's killing their i mean i'm still here so well that's why that's why his mother has it off me that's why his mother knew off.

Leer - Episode 65:
[38:36] Rip that oh yeah he did that well not off rip but like.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[38:39] The night after sometime yeah because the She wasn't even trying to help.

Nick - Episode 65:
[38:42] She knew because of the flashlight.

Leer - Episode 65:
[38:46] And the flashlight, yeah.

Nick - Episode 65:
[38:48] That is what she said. He had the flashlight, Rex. I found it. I found it. I found the flashlight, Rex. He let him die.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[38:55] I can't believe he let him die.

Nick - Episode 65:
[38:56] He knew they were down there. He knew they were down there.

Leer - Episode 65:
[38:59] The whole family is just dysfunctional. It's just.

Nick - Episode 65:
[39:03] It wasn't dysfunctional.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[39:04] They were working.

Nick - Episode 65:
[39:05] No.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[39:06] They were working. You talking about Oz's family?

Nick - Episode 65:
[39:08] Yeah. They were dysfunctional afterwards.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[39:10] Before they died, before the boys died, Oz was really just like probably a mentally ill kid.

Nick - Episode 65:
[39:15] Oz was just the trash in the family before the boys died.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[39:19] But then, so this is where I will have a question. I said this on my clip that I posted.

Leer - Episode 65:
[39:25] Right.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[39:27] I don't think Oz was a monster prior to him killing his siblings. i think the monster was created when she made him when she didn't go through all things that matt no, yeah.

Leer - Episode 65:
[39:50] Well when nick.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[39:51] You'd have been shopping daddy would you give me some daddy um the monster was created when she made him promise and she didn't go through with a spoiler alert, of Rex killing him.

Nick - Episode 65:
[40:04] I don't think so.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[40:05] I think that monster was created there. No.

Nick - Episode 65:
[40:07] No.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[40:07] I deserve to be happy, ass.

Nick - Episode 65:
[40:09] No, no, no.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[40:11] Make me feel good, ass.

Leer - Episode 65:
[40:14] That shit was nasty.

Nick - Episode 65:
[40:16] No, no, no, no. First off, make me feel good.

Leer - Episode 65:
[40:21] Ass.

Nick - Episode 65:
[40:22] Hold on.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[40:22] I deserve to be happy, ass. Make me feel good, ass. We ain't gonna get to no points.

Nick - Episode 65:
[40:27] We ain't gonna get to no points.

Leer - Episode 65:
[40:28] We could. We 30 minutes in. 40 minutes in.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[40:30] Ass, Nothing said.

Nick - Episode 65:
[40:36] Not a single point so far.

Leer - Episode 65:
[40:38] We had a lot of carry-ons.

Nick - Episode 65:
[40:39] But, no. First of all, he let his brothers die knowing what was happening, them drowning. That was monstrous enough already. And she made him promise that after he gave his little fucking speech. That's when she decided she wasn't going to kill him and then said, you got to promise me all this, that, and the other. If I'm going to let you live, you got to deliver it. The monster was already there. The monster just was able to, he made his move finally.

Matt - Episode 65:
[41:07] She made him like she encouraged the monster in him.

Nick - Episode 65:
[41:12] Yeah, but either way she didn't make it. She just allowed, she didn't make it.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[41:16] She encouraged her.

Matt - Episode 65:
[41:17] She is the mother.

Nick - Episode 65:
[41:19] She made it.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[41:19] Talk about it.

Nick - Episode 65:
[41:21] Yeah, she technically nurtured him.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[41:23] Nurtured that shit.

Nick - Episode 65:
[41:23] She technically birthed him. But well, there could be something mentally wrong with him.

Leer - Episode 65:
[41:27] Well, he also was the product of his environment too because his environment was kind of hostile too.

Nick - Episode 65:
[41:33] Yeah, but his other, well it wasn't really hot.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[41:34] His brothers were fine.

Leer - Episode 65:
[41:36] His brother was trying to run. No, because he was working with Rex.

Nick - Episode 65:
[41:40] He wasn't.

Leer - Episode 65:
[41:41] No, his brother was.

Nick - Episode 65:
[41:42] Oh, his brother was.

Leer - Episode 65:
[41:43] No, his brother was.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[41:43] His mama did the numbers, and he wasn't.

Leer - Episode 65:
[41:45] Yeah, but they were fine.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[41:46] He was a runner.

Leer - Episode 65:
[41:47] But Rex was, you don't know being, we don't really know what Rex's backstory was.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[41:52] I think I was just a hater.

Leer - Episode 65:
[41:53] Oh, no, he was a hater.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[41:55] He was just a hater from Jump, and he was a little bitch boy who didn't get his, who every time he got his feelings hurt, didn't deal with his emotions. And that mama coddled that behavior. I think the mama coddled the behavior from Jump. So yes to what you're saying, Wes? Yes. Because even when you think he's a handicapped kid, he's a middle child, he has to go through... So we'll start there. He's a handicapped child. So, you know, he has to be protected from bullies and shit. So he probably internalizing that shit. Who's saving him? Mama. And then, you know, he has two brothers, one older, one younger. He's a middle child. Who has to save him from his brother's torment? And who she possibly got to give more attention to? Mama. So... kind of internalized that shit and kept growing up with that shit then when sofia tells him mind your fucking business you're just the fucking driver yeah.

Nick - Episode 65:
[42:43] That man can't that man doesn't know you're right you're right the man does not do well when people make fun of him or critique him, because that's i don't yeah i was gonna say i don't think he killed his brothers because they did nothing wrong no what i don't think there weren't a death well so i don't we're gonna get there two seconds so i don't think he killed them initially to be with his mother they pranked him and were trying to trick him into going down that ladder yeah which scared him and so out of retaliation he locked them in the thing then he got back to the apartment and you could see, gears turning in his head and he was like you're looking back at the door i could have all this myself like this could be for me like they i could get rid of the problem right now and just not go back.

Leer - Episode 65:
[43:30] Yep well hold on stay on that real quick do you think.

Nick - Episode 65:
[43:33] That kind.

Leer - Episode 65:
[43:33] Of ties in.

Nick - Episode 65:
[43:34] I wasn't gonna leave it.

Leer - Episode 65:
[43:36] Okay do you think that ties into to why he got rid of vic.

Nick - Episode 65:
[43:39] No i think he got rid of vic because he did see his like his mom got kidnapped he found out about his mom and like he seemed through a bunch of it that family for a lot of them is weakness even for him like his brothers he didn't care for but that's what i'm saying the people he did care for became a liability like even though i don't actually think he cared about his mom i don't think he did.

Leer - Episode 65:
[44:05] I think he cares about the validation.

Nick - Episode 65:
[44:07] I yes yeah more and i think vic was giving it to him now that his mom couldn't because he was hyping him up he's like you know i'm you know proud of you even before that he's like you got the lights on you got people to do this he was hyping him up he was becoming like that new person who, hypes him up and he needs that in life. So he got and also the councilman said you got to look clean. So you got to get rid of all your loose ends that tie you to criminal activities.

Leer - Episode 65:
[44:38] That was another.

Nick - Episode 65:
[44:39] So that's why he said you're not coming. You can't come with me this time.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[44:42] I think also he eliminated a potential threat.

Nick - Episode 65:
[44:48] There's a lot.

Leer - Episode 65:
[44:49] It's a lot. It's a lot.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[44:50] It got inspiration. Vic is essentially the penguin just without a hobble but he inspired he got all it wasn't the penguin who got all their second in commands to turn on the asses it was Vic.

Nick - Episode 65:
[45:03] Yeah so he might do the same down the line think ahead type person.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[45:08] Yeah you.

Nick - Episode 65:
[45:09] Know what I'm saying it's it's, it sucks because you i don't know if he wanted to do it or not but i think the way he did it and this is gonna sound fucked up and kind of whatever but i think that was the best way he could have done it and because it wasn't.

Leer - Episode 65:
[45:27] You remember these guys are villains.

Nick - Episode 65:
[45:28] Like i feel like a gunshot like shooting him in the back would have been disrespectful shooting him would have just been disrespectful in my opinion yeah you choke like i know it sounds terrible because He choked him out with his bare hands, but he did it himself. Like, he didn't bitch out. You know what I'm saying? I feel like it's much more respectful that he did it with his own two hands. It sounds terrible, but I feel like that's the best way he could have done it. In the most respectful way of killing your boy. Like, if I got to kill one of y'all, I'm doing it looking you in your eyes. Because I want you to know that I love you.

Matt - Episode 65:
[46:05] Please don't.

Nick - Episode 65:
[46:06] I said if I have to. In.

Matt - Episode 65:
[46:08] The mafia In the mafia that was like the respectful way Like Look that way Shoot him I.

Nick - Episode 65:
[46:16] Feel like it's a bitch way out I need you to know that I know what's going on I feel bad.

Leer - Episode 65:
[46:23] Let me.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[46:24] Out Let me out.

Leer - Episode 65:
[46:25] The way that Tony handles a lot of situations Is exactly how you're talking about.

Matt - Episode 65:
[46:29] A lot of the mafia They're about to kill you and they'll like Kiss you on the head yeah.

Nick - Episode 65:
[46:36] Yeah no i need you to be in the face put your arm around me and tell me everything's gonna be all right all right i don't know everything will be all right it's just there's that final episode was fantastic no it was fantastic and there's something about sofia that i just absolutely enjoy now.

Leer - Episode 65:
[46:56] That's what i was about to say how do we feel about uh sofia's role.

Nick - Episode 65:
[46:59] So i want to i wrote because I think about things while I'm out and about and then of course I have terrible memories so I never remember it, In the torture scene with his mom, that was a lot more for Sophia than it was Oz, in my opinion, because she's seen that mirrored, in my opinion, that mirrored her and her father.

Nick - Episode 65:
[47:26] Oz was her dad and she was his mom because her dad did something wrong and refused to admit it and instead put the blame on her. he punished her for it Oz did something wrong and now his mom is about to get her finger cut off and she said out loud I know what you did and this man is still, denying it that's why you see the look on Sophia's face where she's like shocked she's like are you fucking kidding me that's why I think she had a lot of sympathy for his mom in that moment because his mom is just as much of a victim at this point than any of them though she did allow him to live and grow up in all this thing and do what he was doing but I mean you gotta deal with your demons you gotta deal with your moms she.

Leer - Episode 65:
[48:18] Said before episode 7 she wants Oz to feel what she felt, she wanted him to feel real pain so she thinking that yo if I get your mom to say yo I hate you, I hate you and that's the reason that he's fighting for he's a fucking psychopath.

Nick - Episode 65:
[48:37] He doesn't.

Leer - Episode 65:
[48:38] Really care about his mom.

Nick - Episode 65:
[48:39] No he don't because he was letting her get her finger caught off even after that's.

Leer - Episode 65:
[48:45] Why she said stop.

Nick - Episode 65:
[48:45] That's why I'm like bro and the other reason she said stop is because she realized he's just like my dad, like he's not gonna give in and also does he even think he's lying at this point like does he think has he lied so much and built in so much that it has now just become reality.

Leer - Episode 65:
[49:07] It's just him.

Nick - Episode 65:
[49:08] Does he really think the city took his brothers and not him?

Leer - Episode 65:
[49:10] And I was thinking about this when I was thinking about this because a while back when we were talking about her teen wiping her whole family. And we was like, was that a... And then you was like, well, their family deserved it. Then I started thinking like, who the fuck did Sophia even like... Was there any innocent person that Sophia even killed in this episode?

Matt - Episode 65:
[49:32] Yeah, the girl in the In the Arkham Asylum She didn't kill She didn't kill the blonde girl She brutally killed her Wait.

Leer - Episode 65:
[49:41] Wait wait And then also Bombing the city, if you think about that yeah yeah she.

Nick - Episode 65:
[49:50] Went full vigilant she was done.

Matt - Episode 65:
[49:54] At first I felt bad for her but like by the end I'm just like you're just as big of a piece of shit as that but.

Nick - Episode 65:
[50:00] She knew that though that's why she was trying.

Leer - Episode 65:
[50:02] To leave she knew she had to get out of here and I think I.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[50:05] Think her her instead of just leaving Penguin at all I would fuck him fuck this city fuck my parents I'm gonna fuck out of Dodge.

Leer - Episode 65:
[50:13] That's exactly when I would have left that's exactly when uh what episode was it was it seven when she blew up the bit listen she was when they before she blew up the bliss and they was thinking like okay what are we gonna do and then she's just like all right fuck it so i'm thinking before she drove the range rover in and they blew up everything i'm thinking there's something else in the car she's literally about to blow this shit up and just leave but like you just said she wants to talk to penguin and all this shit if she just sent that bomb in and left she wouldn't know what to do it's.

Nick - Episode 65:
[50:43] About because it's about proving something It's getting personal. It's a vendetta.

Leer - Episode 65:
[50:47] He was her driver.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[50:49] But he's the reason why she got sent to Arkham. She's the literal reason.

Nick - Episode 65:
[50:55] Bro, that scene with her and the gun to the back of her head. I'm like, and then all of a sudden I heard the cars and the helicopter. I said, oh! I said, this man did a step above. I said, he did not free her. Because killing her would have freed her. He said, no, I'm going to put you back to where you don't want to be.

Leer - Episode 65:
[51:11] But he also made a promise to the councilman too.

Nick - Episode 65:
[51:13] Yeah. It was the smartest move ever.

Leer - Episode 65:
[51:15] Smart.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[51:17] Again, I'm robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Nick - Episode 65:
[51:19] But I'm again, I'm watching my girl, right? And we're watching this scenes going down. She goes, so you tell me she didn't hear him walk away and get in the car. And I was like.

Leer - Episode 65:
[51:26] Fuck.

Nick - Episode 65:
[51:28] I was like.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[51:28] She was just associated.

Nick - Episode 65:
[51:30] Yeah. I was like, oh, in my head. I'm like, I'm like, she was just, she was just in the moment. Like she was accepting death. She was just, she turned off all her senses. But reality me was like, y'all would have hurt his ass.

Leer - Episode 65:
[51:44] Don't turn around. Don't turn around.

Nick - Episode 65:
[51:46] That car was gone No he was out of there Disassociating I really.

Leer - Episode 65:
[51:51] Thought he was out of getting rid of her.

Nick - Episode 65:
[51:53] For a second I did too For a second I really believed it And then all of a sudden that shit happened I was like oh clean That was clean bro That was clean I.

Leer - Episode 65:
[52:03] Mean we are at 52 right now Do.

Nick - Episode 65:
[52:07] We want.

Leer - Episode 65:
[52:07] To at least Skim through the series a little bit.

Nick - Episode 65:
[52:11] Yeah of course We don't have to skim through the series as a refresher, we can just talk about our favorite moments or shit like that.

Leer - Episode 65:
[52:19] I'll go first. Well, some of my favorite moments, I really thought this series opened up really good. Especially with just like him and because I'm thinking that Falcon's son is going to play a pivotal role.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[52:32] Not at all.

Leer - Episode 65:
[52:32] Exactly. And the nigga is like, yo, as soon as he let that shit go, I'm like, this is about to be one of them series. As soon as he let that shit go, it's about to be one of them series. Nigga with them flashbacks. It was so much in that first episode him first meeting Vic and like Vic stutter it was, annoying but understandable like it's a nervous it's a nervous tick the nigga is nervous bro he had to like he's literally about to get, he's about to get wiped by this nigga who he was stealing rooms from love that scene I love the scene where he told him like yo look at the sunset I'm about to get rid of you and then it mirrors to the last episode where he kills him with his own hands.

Nick - Episode 65:
[53:13] And no sunset.

Leer - Episode 65:
[53:14] No sunset Fucking phenomenal Black Um, i like the i like the vic episode where where the riddler blows up the wall the dam and then the whole you know the water comes through soaks the whole city i love that episode i love the uh parallels of him saying that he's about the uh his girl was gonna leave so he was gonna get on there he was gonna get on there too but he was having a conflict like yo do i want to stay here and like do this with penguin or with oz or do i want to leave and him and penguin had that little back and forth in the bathroom and Penguin was about to like you like yo if you gonna leave get out of here go I don't want you here I don't want you here but yeah that was my some of my favorite, Sophia's episode another one of my favorites because I really thought that she did it she just was so far gone that she was just disassociating herself from it but it was really Falcone who was doing it doing it and this piece of shit put his daughter, underneath the bus for that shit horrible and obviously, no no i like the uh i like episode six with uh but um what's it called too mr craps what's his name yeah it's it was so good you're talking about the best series the best parts from it the whole thing was good i'm thinking like okay this is about to be epic battle with two fucking mob bosses going back and forth what's his name salvatore thinking about to be a big battle two mob bosses going back and forth.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[54:44] That's what he's talking about, Mr. fucking Krabs.

Leer - Episode 65:
[54:45] Yeah, Mr. Krabs.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[54:47] I'm like, Mr. Krabs, what was he in there?

Leer - Episode 65:
[54:49] He voices him, yeah. But yeah, he just dies of a heart attack.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[54:53] Not Lex Luthor? That's the nigga you remember on math?

Leer - Episode 65:
[54:56] Mr.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[54:56] Krabs?

Leer - Episode 65:
[54:57] I watched a lot of SpongeBob.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[54:58] He voiced Lex Luthor for 30 years.

Leer - Episode 65:
[54:59] I watched a lot of SpongeBob.

Matt - Episode 65:
[55:01] He voiced Mr. Krabs for like 25.

Leer - Episode 65:
[55:04] Yeah.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[55:04] I don't watch SpongeBob. I have a college degree.

Leer - Episode 65:
[55:10] Damn, gotta be again. I was there. I was there. I saw the shit on the wall. I was there. But no, he just fucking died of my heart attack and they just shot him. He's like, what the fuck? We're supposed to be... You're supposed to go back and forth. What the fuck you doing? And then just... Bro, if he gets an Emmy...

Nick - Episode 65:
[55:25] That's that complex.

Leer - Episode 65:
[55:26] It's gonna be for that. That is gonna be the scene that he wins for. Yeah. Basically every fucking episode. But yeah. Tony, what's some of your favorite parts?

Anthonio Episode 65:
[55:37] Everything with Sofia. Sofia's journey from innocence to villain was crazy the moment i saw her that first episode and she said i've been rehabilitated i said this bitch is nutty squirrel shit this bitch is crazy she's gone she done she was she was done at that point, that point i was like you were we went back and forth a bit saying like she didn't do it i said no she did it did you see that i've been rehabilitated i think she did it um that yellow.

Leer - Episode 65:
[56:09] That yellow dress part when she was in the yellow dress and she uh uh killed her whole family.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[56:15] So for me was.

Nick - Episode 65:
[56:16] That yellow dress was a green.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[56:17] It was yellow okay.

Nick - Episode 65:
[56:18] I don't remember.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[56:19] However i will say so i didn't like that dress but my favorite is the therapy episode with the black and red oh yeah oh that was fly as fuck with the red shoes i said you're a bad bitch and i kind of fucked with the mullet only in that only in that outfit.

Matt - Episode 65:
[56:36] Hate mullets on everybody.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[56:37] But i was like okay sophia you better go ahead she was crossing her legs and she was feeling demure i said work bitch um but seeing sophie seeing sophia's like literal innocence until oh yeah to full-on joker you know i'm saying that it hurt it did it did it did hurt i was like damn bro because like and again you had so many times to just let this shit go let it go elsa and she didn't she didn't and she didn't but like pinga will make you want to fuck him up so i understand i understand shut your fat ass up.

Leer - Episode 65:
[57:07] You're my driver.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[57:08] Driver and then you go get me you'll get me fucking locked up for 10 years for shit i didn't do i'm coming back and i'm coming back for that ass.

Nick - Episode 65:
[57:18] I think the first part about that was.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[57:20] For that crippled hobbling ass.

Leer - Episode 65:
[57:23] Blue Parker spot. Coming for it.

Nick - Episode 65:
[57:25] Long leg.

Leer - Episode 65:
[57:27] Oh, boy. Coming for that shit. No special Olympics.

Nick - Episode 65:
[57:33] Give me that. He never used it.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[57:35] Though.

Nick - Episode 65:
[57:35] He never used it, though. He never used it, though.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[57:40] Could you imagine if you pull up to the fucking handicapped spot and it's this gaudy ass, purple ass fucking... Anyway.

Matt - Episode 65:
[57:51] What the fuck are you looking at? He had a Maserati, but in the end he got that Rolls Royce.

Nick - Episode 65:
[57:57] That bitch got money. Now he does. I think the worst part about her thing was that she got blamed.

Leer - Episode 65:
[58:04] We stole Vic's money.

Nick - Episode 65:
[58:05] She got blamed for the shit she was trying to save people from. I think that was the worst part.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[58:11] She was literally trying to save women and she got fucking blamed for it. Her had to actually start killing niggas a willy-nilly it kind of sucked um so yeah sofia so he's and i actually had a mark down i want to talk about something important um before we um the family dynamics and just seeing how, especially in single parent situations, men get coddled by their mothers when they're toxic and when they're being problematic whereas women get harsher realities like what happened with Sophia and it's just seeing the.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[58:51] Seen the difference in family dynamics like that and how she like received so much harsher treatment from her dick has dad you know he didn't believe her he didn't take care but well fucking alberto fucking being spoil rotten you know you just saw how like girls and versus boys are treated in family situations sometimes sometimes but like in this situation yeah because even alberto and alberto and eyes were spoiled by their parents both of them despite White being fucking narcissistic fucking assholes. Berto was a fucking alcoholic. Yeah, they were talking about how he was going to take over the empire. But they're like, sure, you're not going to work because this thing is a problem. You know what I'm saying? Sophia came back right on time because if none of this would have happened, Sophia probably would have had to take step up anyway. Because to some extent or probably had to show more face or something.

Nick - Episode 65:
[59:43] The uncle would have got it still.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[59:44] Yeah, but Berto wasn't the one. he wasn't the one from Jump because he was a shitty mess and they coddled his ass whereas Sophia she couldn't the moment the day she put a toe out of line all she did was look at some shit and told Oz to mind his business she goes the pokey for fucking 10 years and then you look at I.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:00:05] Think it would have been way worse for her if Oz didn't do that.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:00:09] You think so you think that would have just killed her because.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:00:11] The second like they started like actively investigating and putting a case again he wouldn't have thrown her in asylum because it's on him now he would have murdered his daughter committed.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:00:23] Suicide probably framed it as suicide.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:00:26] Um yeah yeah but yeah just sofia is my best part of this series and like even the ending she didn't die so i'm happy about that she was a great fool to oz you know seeing a villain on villain fight was pretty cool you know just seeing um you know two people who aren't good people well she was a good person at first but now she's not but just seeing two villains outvailing each other that was a cool thing um so yeah it was it's everything sofia i want to say vic, Vic stepping his pussy up was a good thing to watch as well. See him pummel like that. His first kill was a little shaky for me, but fuck that white boy. He need to die.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:01:16] Come on, squid.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:01:17] Yeah. Get the fuck out of here.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:01:18] He was hurt after that shit.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:01:20] Why'd you let me do that? You should have done it sooner, my guy. The moment you got caught and he started trying to hassle you for shit, you should have popped him in. maybe that's just me he's a good person that's just me i'm a good person too but we in the middle so yeah but he's we in dark times my god yeah crown point mind your business or get the fuck on some.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:01:40] Little like small time kid who just runs his neighborhood thought he was gonna get over on the dude that.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:01:49] Is the second hand to the penguin no.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:01:52] But even like he thought he was gonna go in and talk to penguin like penguins literally was part of the falcons like you.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:02:01] Think you're.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:02:02] Gonna get over on that person you're stupid as fuck.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:02:05] Stupid as fuck.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:02:06] Big one would have probably killed you probably would have looked at vic like you know.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:02:10] Why are you why the fuck in my face why are you bringing him in here pop um so yeah uh vic's rise unfortunately was his downfall but It was nice seeing him step it up, especially in the last couple of episodes when he gets all the second hands to fucking kill their leaders. That was dope.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:02:28] I want to talk about that real quick. I think that was the moment that I kind of knew that Vic probably wasn't going to be here too long just because like when they were like, yo, who the fuck are you? Who are you? You can't talk to us like that. When homie went up there and punched him, which was it was a good idea.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:02:45] No, he was trying. Shut up, nigga.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:02:46] It was a good idea, but it was coming from the wrong person. It was coming from, because they didn't respect. That's the thing about these mob bosses and crime bosses and everything. It's respect. That was why I was saying with the whole Sophia thing where she just killed Johnny and just gave them money. Bro, you're just giving them money. You're just buying their respect. You're not earning it. You're not earning it. And sometimes in that walk of life, not even sometimes, but in that walk of life, that money only going to get you so far. That shit is only going to get you so far. You can only be a good guy for so long, bro. So it's probably good that Penguin kind of took him out like that before he kind of would have hurt anything further on that Penguin would have operated. Because... Say if Vic was caught, do you think Vic will snitch?

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:03:41] No.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:03:42] You don't think Vic will snitch?

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:03:43] No.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:03:44] Hell no.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:03:44] No, he was loyal. I don't think he grew up. Crown Point was what Crown Point was, and I don't think anybody really from there would snitch.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:03:52] No. And Vic was loyal.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:03:54] Bro, Vic didn't. I was called the nigga at least eight times in the show. Vic only picked up the phone half of the time.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:04:02] Because he was busy doing shit.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:04:03] He was always working.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:04:05] Honestly if Vic answered the phone He.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:04:08] You wasn't supposed to be doing what you were supposed to be doing Vic was working every fucking.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:04:12] Time It's not my fault Somebody with his ass That's what he told him, When I call you gotta pick up the phone That's why he was mad at that nigga Every single time that he saw him Except for the last time he got hit with the crowbar That's understandable You can't be a good dude In this Gotham City and I love that bro I love that man there's no redemption no fucking redemption get him out of here my bad to step on your Vic point but, I see that's why I love movies and love movies no.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:04:47] I fuck with.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:04:47] Vic I don't know anybody who did like that.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:04:50] My favorite parts I like when Sophia killed my mans in the first episode she just shot him when she was torturing Penguin that little boy Yeah, he was like, he's lying. He's lying. She's like, he's lying? And he's like, yeah. She's like, okay. And then just without hesitation just shoots him. I was like, all right.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:05:11] I forgot.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:05:12] At that moment, she set the tone for me.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:05:14] Oh, yeah.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:05:14] At that moment, she set the tone for me. Everyone did phenomenal. I love any time Penguin had to get himself out of a situation, the way that he just handled it every time was just like, it showed you why he wasn't going to lose. because you that bomb shit my thing is like everything bro he he.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:05:36] Can flip shit on the fly so fast.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:05:38] Well the problem with it is he had the upper hand the whole time and the reason i think this is the reason i think he couldn't really one up like carmine falcon or you know sell like right away is because like him i don't know how long their family's been rich this is me just assuming they didn't start off that way you got to work there you got to work there now, penguins going up against the kids who don't know to struggle they don't know the hard work to get there penguin don't know nothing but hard work to get there he has a goal and he's gonna achieve it because that's all he knows he ain't going back it's only forward that's it so i think that's the thing that they underestimated the entire time is because they've had something that he wants. They've had it their whole lives. He's never had it and he's going to get it. And I think that's where they lost. It's because they didn't understand that. They didn't understand what they had and what it meant to him.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:06:40] I think they also underestimated Penguin a lot.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:06:43] Yeah, no, that's what I technically mean.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:06:46] The moral of the show is like, don't underestimate the dumb.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:06:48] Especially like even Falcon's son and everything, laughing at him about Rex and everything. You're like, oh, that's what you want to be. That's what you want.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:06:54] Yeah, because he's an arrogant child. Again, Alberto is above Rex.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:07:00] Yeah.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:07:00] Oh you had a parade in a small neighborhood of poor people who the fuck cares but penguin was the neighborhood of poor people to him rex was above that yeah so you're spitting on this guy's dreams who clearly already has a short fuse and is has mental issues that.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:07:17] Set the tone for me that.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:07:18] Episode that part and mother issues yeah he had a lot of issues um literally but i just love the way that colin farrell and the showrunner and everyone just handles the penguin as a character yes because in a world of batmans and jokers and the court of owls possibly, we have this penguin he saw the curtains the curtains that look like cats we have the penguin who is just this fucking log-legged motherfucker who is just saying you ain't gonna take what's mine. And what's mine is whatever I want it to be. And I fuck with that heavy. Because where are you going to get him? Where's his weakness? Because it's not his mom.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:08:04] It's not his mom. I thought that shit for the whole episode.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:08:09] I thought it was Vic. It ain't Vic because he did it himself.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:08:12] What is his weakness?

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:08:14] Exactly.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:08:15] Himself.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:08:16] You gotta kill this nigga. His greed is his weakness.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:08:19] Yeah.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:08:20] Probably. You can set him up like that.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:08:21] It's also his strongest thing.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:08:23] Yeah, but when you're dealing with somebody who doesn't care about, Somebody like Batman, he doesn't give a fuck about any of that shit. He's going to get you.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:08:34] Batman's rich. He don't care about nothing.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:08:36] Did he ever care about nothing? Batman now, at this point in the story, doesn't give a fuck about that shit. And will probably still be a vigilante. I see what you're saying. And probably still be a vigilante if he hasn't learned to appreciate his wealth.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:08:48] Oh yeah, he don't appreciate it at all. I mean, that's a whole story for the comic books. The only person who ever did anything with the money was Dick. yes and that was in the tom taylor run recently when alfred died and donated or not donated but um what else all of his money but uh yeah um i love the sofia story to to see someone so pure get destroyed like that internally shows you how dark and twisted a world can be for someone yes and that family sometimes though they be blood ain't shit though.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:09:22] They be blood.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:09:23] Though they be blood we may have to you know drain that blood you know what i'm saying we might have to gas the fam bam we might have to auschwitz the house at least you got at least you.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:09:34] Got the little girl out of there i mean.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:09:35] She did but all she did was become her father in that situation because now that she had.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:09:40] To apologize for that shit too.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:09:41] Yeah that little girl had to go live in the foster home yeah where the riddler was like that's the worst place i've ever been in my entire life we learn from the Riddler the foster care is trash and even in real life we know the foster care is trash, so Sophia did you save this little girl, You didn't. You made her life worse.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:10:03] That's why I like the show, bro. There's no irredeemable people.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:10:05] Yeah, but then she realized it, and I think that was a great part of the show, too. You know, her seeing the air in her ways, she thought she was going to come in and just one-up the family. What she would have really should have done was come in and abandon the family. She should have abandoned the family off rip. She should have dismissed herself.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:10:24] The moment she got out, she should have left.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:10:26] At least she was just on a revenge tour.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:10:29] And that's the problem.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:10:30] That's why sometimes you need to let shit.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:10:32] Go and that's exactly why you sitting in that cell again.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:10:35] Penguin wasn't getting revenge at all, Penguin was just trying to get what he was just trying to work for himself.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:10:39] Literally that's so true that's a good point, Penguin was never on a revenge tour, was never trying to like yeah, he was about his revenge, he ended it right then and there, when Birdo disrespected him, pop pop, done.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:10:52] What he was trying to use, even when the families disrespected him, he was just trying to use the families against each other like to Salvador.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:11:00] But again, because he's a scammer. He's a con man. He's a poor person. You know what I'm saying? So he's going to take whatever advantage he can, but he's smart. He's smart. Even in situations that just created themselves, he still sits there and is like, ah, I'm going to find a way out of this.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:11:17] That lineup episode where I hated how they killed Sofia's bodyguard. That was fucked up.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:11:23] That was fucked up.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:11:24] On the fly, just decided to okay I'm gonna get him.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:11:28] Well you couldn't give it to Johnny Vitti because everyone thought he was about to give it to Johnny Vitti.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:11:33] You can't give it to Johnny Vitti. You can't die as early.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:11:36] And Penguin knew that. Penguin had to pick someone that wasn't so obvious. He had to pick someone.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:11:45] So so good. Everything about it to me was just that last episode was just phenomenal. Even the eighth episode with him killing his brothers man. phenomenal. Because the whole time the whole time he was like, yeah, the city swallowed him up. My guy. You are the city.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:12:04] You closed the lap.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:12:05] You swallowed him up.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:12:07] All they wanted you to do was come down there.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:12:11] And they apologized.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:12:13] We're sorry. We're sorry. We're going home.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:12:16] Gabagoo. I don't know. There's so much to love about the show.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:12:22] And I'm not really even a big fan of 8 episode series.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:12:25] 9.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:12:26] That's how you do it. It was 9?

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:12:28] Was it 8 or 9?

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:12:29] It was 8.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:12:30] Oh, sorry. I'm thinking of Agatha all along.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:12:32] That's how you do it though. Hour long series. Everything. It didn't feel rushed.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:12:37] No, I... They didn't do everything an hour. There's one episode... It said 45 minutes, but after you take out the credits and stuff, it was like 37 minutes, and that pissed me off.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:12:48] Okay.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:12:49] You talking about which series?

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:12:50] Penguin.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:12:51] Okay. Yeah.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:12:52] Because House of Dragon does that a lot, too.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:12:54] Yeah.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:12:55] I could live without the season.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:12:57] Penguin balanced it out better, I think.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:12:59] Yeah, it didn't feel rushed. Wesley, do you have any favorite parts?

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:13:05] Yeah.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:13:05] Oh, well, I appreciate a good villain that's a villain. You know, like Penguin was a villain. They didn't really, like, they didn't try to make you feel bad for them. But I loved, like, how smart he truly was, like you were talking about. Like, he had the upper hand on every single one of those rich motherfuckers because he had actual relationships with all those other gangs, like, day-to-day. Like, he had his hands dirty daily. Like, he knew everything. You're not going to outsmart, you're not going to outstreet a street dude when you're not from the street.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:13:38] Boom. So important. It's, yeah. so important he.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:13:43] Took time to learn everybody's names and.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:13:45] Every single one he.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:13:46] Made sure they knew that because he would always make sure to call them by their names whenever he was talking to them.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:13:50] The triad second in command showed that hard like listen give him a chance let's go wait a minute when he was finally sick of it okay yeah let's let's kill all that i'm scared of him that's the one you gotta be worried though link the first turn coat the first circle yeah yeah Be scared of that nigga. Because he been plowing on your ass for a while. How am I going to get rid of these niggas?

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:14:13] A bunch of Sith Lords.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:14:15] He's a smaller Penguin. I don't think he's at the crazy level of Penguin.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:14:21] He's coming.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:14:22] He might play a pivotal part in me.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:14:24] I just mean the way his mind works.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:14:26] His mind works. He was following Penguin all along.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:14:30] Now, what were you about to say, Poppy?

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:14:32] Well, I was saying if everybody's done with their favorite moments, I was going to get into any theories That we had on Batman 2 I was going to say how.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:14:42] Did you feel About the fact that Batman didn't show up.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:14:45] Loved it I fucking love it Bro I don't I'm not going to say It needed It needed it as a crutch, Because honestly Because we talked about We was anticipating this shit for a long time But like I was always in the back of my head Like okay is he still going to show up What's going on this and that so as the episode ended but it's like no not even as episodes ended but as the episodes were going on i'm like i don't fucking need batman i think i need batman for it if i sometimes i forgot this was a batman show but some people had an issue with that some.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:15:20] People didn't and um i think matt reeves was talking about how the reason why they didn't want to include batman is because they wanted people to focus on penguin.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:15:30] Yeah in.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:15:31] The situations that were happening now Now with the story, if you bring in Batman, that kind of distracts you from the bigger picture because now you're just like, oh, Batman. No, this isn't his thing.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:15:40] Wait, wait, wait. You're saying Batman, huh?

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:15:42] Batman, yay.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:15:43] Okay, I didn't hear him.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:15:44] No, yay. And again, they pointed out in the first movie, and again, they pointed out in Absolute Batman Issue 2 that came out today, Batman can't be everywhere at once.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:15:54] No.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:15:54] He just has to have that presence, but these people don't give a fuck about his presence. They have a bigger fish to fry. Penguin never feared Batman, and they showed it in the first movie.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:16:04] I got you! I got you!

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:16:06] Penguin just seen it as a joke, even towards the end of the fucking movie like penguin didn't give a fuck you think he cares about him in this it's a week after you think his feelings have changed no he doesn't care and this is batman's second year in third.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:16:18] And at this point really i.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:16:20] Just didn't think.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:16:20] Batman oh this is still a second year because it only takes a week okay and then there's a little bit of the time jump with the snow but even like an absolute batman like they say he can't be everywhere at once but he just picks the biggest issues and attacks those ones he finds out where the biggest problem is going to be at and he handles that one while he lets the police handle the rest and.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:16:42] I think the biggest problem was the flooding of the city.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:16:45] Probably and there might and again we're jumping into the second movie right

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:16:50] and like you said what are our theories on the second movie.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:16:53] Well hold on before we get into that wes.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:16:55] I was just going to say, in the show, Batman didn't fit into... Him coming in did not fit into the story.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:17:03] No, it wouldn't.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:17:04] I mean, yeah.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:17:05] Because if he came in and he was able to solve that Penguin was behind all this stuff and he went into... Then Penguin doesn't get on top. It just doesn't make sense for Batman to be in there at that point in time.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:17:17] Yeah.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:17:17] I agree that Batman didn't fit into the rise of the Penguin. however there are certain moments where Batman should have showed up the explosion.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:17:26] He should have shown up that's what I'm going to get to like my theory is that in Batman 2 he's going to be he's going to be uh, investigating some of the stuff that happened might be the big bad like well no no no no because Colin Farrell said he only got 6 to 8 scenes no.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:17:43] He said 5 to 6?

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:17:45] 5 to 6.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:17:45] 5 to 6.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:17:47] He's not playing like a pivotal pivotal role.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:17:49] But I'm.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:17:49] Just saying that maybe like in the first 15 20 minutes it will be the explosion that happened him like you know going through the rubble like doing some investigating maybe finding saw salvatore's body and stuff like.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:18:04] Because i only say that he should have been involved one of batman's big cases was sal's arrest um and he was a mafia take taker takedowner the first year of his career whatever so i'm my concern with him not jumping i don't care about that he didn't really come up during the rise or certain like the first half of the show of course not but there were certain things that was happening that batman should have been at least a presence or whatever or it should have been like questioned or like threatening someone uh the burning down of the the falcone mansion come on now he just that's that's a thing he was part of the criminal he was part of like that's.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:18:44] What i think the signal went up that's what i think it happened so fast though like all those things were.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:18:48] Really close to each other like.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:18:50] He could have been like a step.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:18:51] Behind what about all of the mafia people all the falcones dying he.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:18:56] Could have been.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:18:56] Investigating that also why would you get involved, crime families that I'd be like sweet shit I ain't gotta deal with that's.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:19:04] Not a red flag I don't know.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:19:06] You don't know that he's not investigating.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:19:10] This stuff we don't know what he's like because it's not Batman's show he's not super he.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:19:19] Hides in the shadows he's not like right there all the time especially during the day.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:19:25] You seen Twilight light yeah oh i love that word uh but when the house was burning down i was like bro the funniest thing would be if batman just ran past sophia it was like there's people inside you just see him book it past her running with a burning house that's funny and she's just like the fuck because he lives in that neighborhood so that'd be hilarious yeah that's what i'm saying all right but again he he's at night he's out doing his own thing so he probably wasn't even in the fucking area when the house was burning down he's probably actually stopping actual crime than her house burning down. Also, her house is burning down. That doesn't seem like a thing for Batman to really get involved in.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:20:04] I don't know.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:20:04] It's a house on fire. He's not Spider-Man.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:20:07] I've seen a lot of Batman animated series.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:20:09] It depends on the situation.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:20:13] It's the Falcone's house, bro.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:20:15] I have to remember, this is a year, what, one?

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:20:19] This is year two.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:20:20] Year two Batman. He isn't fucking a seasoned veteran.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:20:24] And again, I think he was in the city actually stopping actual crime. Because again, that took place in his neighborhood, which is outside of the city limits.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:20:33] He's also pretty beat up after that first movie. He could have been like...

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:20:37] He got electrocuted.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:20:38] He could be... He could have been...

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:20:41] He got hit with a shotgun.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:20:42] He could have been going through rehabilitation at his house.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:20:45] Just like in the Dark Knight Roses.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:20:46] Catwoman, bro. You ever fumble a bad bitch, you out of commission for at least two weeks.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:20:51] He didn't fumble her. He literally just let her go so he can save the world.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:20:54] I'm bumble. That's still a fumble.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:20:56] That's still a fumble.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:20:56] Channing Tatum And that nigga fumbled her Channing Tatum Jeff he fumbled that

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:21:02] bitch I only have two theories Well that was one I think we're getting Mr. Freeze in this one Because you know we're kind of Hinching at A little snowy situation So hopefully we get Freeze I would love to see some of that backstory I would love to see that, And What else do I got I think, That was it that was really it I don't really know what to really expect oh yeah I think this one is going to hit a bill I think this one will hit a bill, and yeah those are my three theories.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:21:38] Court of Viles a Robin maybe a Robin involved with the Court of Viles which they technically had that's a long story.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:21:46] But a.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:21:47] Robin and a Court of Viles I've heard, I've heard the Mr. Freeze theories. I don't want... So, it's kind of one of the down parts of me in the Batman movie was the tunnel. I mean, was the thing being exploded?

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:22:03] Secret tunnel.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:22:04] Secret tunnel was the dam being exploded. I want no big shit. I want no motherfucker coming in freezing, niggas. the best parts of the of the Batman and the and then the Penguin is the more down to earth stuff we have James Gunn shit to bring in more fantastical villains, I like it being more of a crime saga being more down to earth you know other people can fit in, but because like when the dam exploded and they made it that was their spectacle point I literally rolled my eyes And every time I watch the Batman, I get angry at that point. I don't know why. I just felt like it feels out of place. It feels out of place. And like even in, because like even in The Penguin, it doesn't even, they talk about it here and there. And like, yeah, that's part of Vic's backstory. But it's not enough talked about how much.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:23:02] They damaged the city.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:23:03] How strong the impact is on these people. It feels like it was just done as if we need a big moment to make Batman be a hero. and there's nothing hasn't really there hasn't been no strong follow through from that aside from Vic's story and even then what was the point if Vic's dead that was our through.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:23:23] Line well I like that's why I like the crown point little story like side points and everything just how the city was doing and everything even them getting the lights turned back on because it was such like a, it was such I wouldn't say a minuscule thing but like bro that whole district over there is without power they're fucking freezing they're hungry and this whole and the other half of the city is lit up yeah and i'm glad that they touched on that and didn't just gloss over that like how they do in other uh superhero iterations yeah yeah i do like that down i.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:23:56] Do think i think part of the batman 2 might take a little piece like it might take place, at the tail end of penguin yeah it's like they say it takes place right after right so i think it might take place tail end where we see batman starting to you know get notified about what's going on with the penguin situation and whatnot but i think they're going to explain in that maybe, you know that he was dealing with a bigger issue which i do believe you know i'm agreeing with antonio the court of owls um because they like to bring up politics a lot in this and the rich has been like a big thing and how corrupt they are even thomas wayne you know you know getting uh you know that reporter offed whatnot i don't know if he got him off or some shit happened i forget in the first one i.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:24:46] Think falcone did it as a favor.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:24:49] Without even he told him yeah he told him like just threaten him or some shit or you know if i was like no i'm gonna kill him yeah Now you're in my pocket.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:24:57] This thing of Falcone is a monster. You just can't stop strangling bitches?

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:25:03] No. He even strangled his daughter in the first one.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:25:06] Yeah.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:25:06] Yeah. So, yeah. But I think it's going to be the Court of Owls, but I think it's more than just the Court of Owls. I think that's where Penguin's going to play a part of it in the first part with the politician part. Because I think.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:25:20] They'll get enough of him trying to threaten folks.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:25:23] I don't know. or.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:25:24] Trying to get to sit your ass now or maybe maybe all this maybe they helped him along the.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:25:29] Way and he didn't even know you know the court of owls I don't think they helped him out along the way I think that he's gonna make enough moves for them to recognize him as either a threat or someone they can bring into the fold one of the two but more so a threat maybe but I think Hush, is a strong thing cause his dad like Elliot not Elliot but the, But anyway, the reporter was his father, Hush's father, in the first movie. So his son could be coming back wanting revenge on Bruce Wayne. You know what I'm saying?

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:26:04] And they talk about Elliot Bridge a lot.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:26:06] Yeah.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:26:06] They bring up that bridge a lot. Yeah.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:26:09] And so I think Hush could be a part. Court of Owls, of course. A lot of people were talking about Clayface.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:26:15] Again, no fantastical villain.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:26:17] Well, no, you can do the Clayface, the serial killer version of him.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:26:21] Bad reviews.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:26:23] Yeah. he got mad no i think what were they saying he was they're remaking his movie and he was getting pissed about it.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:26:28] I thought it was the one where they reviewed his stuff and he killed all the bad reviewers.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:26:32] He was doing a bunch of shit i don't remember but you could do the serial killer uh clay face you could do the holiday killer though that family's pretty much gone uh no yeah calendar man i mean you can do a bunch of villains and there's the possibilities are endless we have a scarecrow possibility you know but i think it's going to be the court of owls for sure, and possibly and this would be if we get a season two of the penguin maybe a black mask.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:27:03] Yeah i think a.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:27:04] Black somebody somebody that can stand toe-to-toe with the penguin in a season two yeah i think a black mask would be fantastic because i don't for some odd reason and again They're gonna eat me up for this. They pointed out a lot about masks with Sophia. Like, she had the gas mask. Yeah, but why do you keep coming back to masks with her?

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:27:28] I think that'd be a good...

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:27:29] But she's not, though. I don't want to...

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:27:30] He's trying to mask her.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:27:31] She's not going to be a black mask. But I think black mask would be a great, great villain to have in season two with a penguin. Going toe-to-toe with a penguin.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:27:40] And again, another rich guy who's trying to...

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:27:43] Or Vic survives and becomes the black mask. Guess what? He didn't... He got choked out, but he lived. He lived. Vic got choked out. So let's talk about that real quick. And he comes back as the black ass.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:27:54] That was a match theory.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:27:55] And he's the villain of season two. I'm calling it right now. Penguin season two. Vic is black match.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:27:59] Did you just take match theory?

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:28:01] No. Matt thinks he's going to be a red hood. Matt said Vic was going to live and be the red hood. And become kind of like a vigilante of sorts. Which also.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:28:11] We can jump into that.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:28:11] See Matt we didn't forget about you.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:28:12] Vic theories.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:28:13] I'm saying.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:28:14] Yes he did.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:28:15] Crime.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:28:15] Yes bro.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:28:16] I have a theory.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:28:17] Oh yeah. What's up?

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:28:18] Wes let's hear it.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:28:19] I think, like you said, it could be Scarecrow, but I also think they might take Barry's character of the Joker. He could break out.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:28:31] Yeah. I don't know if they're going to put him in the second movie, though, because I would think they would save him for the third one, mainly because now you're just kind of, are you following in the footsteps of Christopher Nolan's movie?

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:28:42] Yeah.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:28:43] You know what I'm saying? Where Joker was the main villain of the second one and that one, you know? Save that for later.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:28:48] Yeah.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:28:49] Plus, we're coming off the Joker movies.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:28:51] That's true.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:28:52] Let's let that hype die down for a second.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:28:54] I have some shit to say about that before we close, but carry on.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:28:58] But yeah, I think that would probably be the best thing for them to do is let it die down first and then bring him in. Because his Joker seems very interesting.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:29:05] By the time that happens, it will be 2030. The next Batman movie, it's four years apart.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:29:13] I wish I missed when movies were two years apart.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:29:17] Yeah i don't.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:29:17] Know now seasons are two years apart and they're eight episodes.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:29:21] Well can you.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:29:21] For not.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:29:22] Even coming back yeah it is.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:29:23] They just announced that it is coming back.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:29:25] It is coming back yeah okay good but yeah um vic theories so we think matt thinks he's red hood i think he dead as hell.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:29:36] I think he dead as hell.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:29:37] Black man he's coming back in season two in the dirt he's the black mask for.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:29:42] Real i don't think he's dead.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:29:43] I'm running with it i don't it's so boring to just think these like i yeah realistically he's probably dead and not coming back but it's so boring why would we stick with that let's have fun that.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:29:56] Would be that's like bro like, he wasn't choking him that long and people can be like oh it was a movie they wanted to shorten it but like a choke out like the way he was choking him out that's just a knockout that's not like a death.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:30:10] People have come back.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:30:10] I think we cope it bro i think he's dead.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:30:12] I don't think he's dead bro if.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:30:14] He does i would like to see him come back as a robin i think that'd be a good foil and then like you know that'd be a good way for penguin to get his just desserts but i.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:30:23] Think it'd be better if he came back as a rival crime boss because he who did he learn from? The Penguin and then who, you see how quickly he catch down.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:30:32] You stuttering under that man? Who was that?

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:30:35] He just, bro, that's the tell right there the whole.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:30:38] Bro That's all the head of all your your. First of all first of all.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:30:44] First of all you gonna, first of all, it was not that bad. He's not Jimmy and Timmy but no, he's Jimmy. Bro, look, we'll get there eventually if we get a second season if we get a second season it would be genius to have him come back as the main villain no we're not getting any sponsorships with the way everything goes, we're gonna get something eventually but it ain't gonna be for this we're gonna get a shit load of blue we're.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:31:18] Gonna be blue chewing.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:31:19] Man's game we're gonna have hard dicks all the time We're going to be fucking guys.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:31:22] They're going to pay us.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:31:25] Blue Chew and KY Jelly If.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:31:29] They pay us.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:31:31] In Logic albums Let me tell you something I'm aware of the differences I know Have.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:31:37] You tried using KY.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:31:40] Gross Yo hold on real quick I was at the gas station just about to get some.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:31:45] Gas Oh this is good.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:31:47] This nigga in front of me buying some fucking, he bought like 10 honey packs. I'm like, nigga. Do those work?

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:31:53] I'm so curious.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:31:54] Bro, the nigga was like 25. Bro, what are y'all doing?

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:31:58] You want a super boner.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:31:59] Don't go fuck y'all dicks up.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:31:59] They don't realize it. They just hear, like they see all the older people using.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:32:04] Like the rappers talking about. Bro, because we're old.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:32:06] Yeah, I know. They don't.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:32:07] Who is we?

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:32:07] I don't think they realize it.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:32:08] My dick be strong.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:32:09] I don't need it.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:32:10] I'm not saying you, but like the rappers.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:32:13] I'm saying you.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:32:13] He is.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:32:16] Rappers talk about it in their songs and stuff and people talk about it they also.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:32:19] Talk about perks they make the Hennessy they make the Hennessy cocktails for their mans and then they drizzle the honey on top.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:32:27] Yeah they don't realize we're not talking about real honey the honey packs are, honey with blue cheese.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:32:38] I was about to say honey in the tea.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:32:40] Right now the honey packs are basically blue cheese I'm not.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:32:43] Hard at all Yeah.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:32:44] They're basically, yeah, they're like Viagra. Oh.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:32:46] Well, anyway, so. And it gets to your system fast. Yeah, I think Vic will be back season two as Black Mask.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:32:51] Yeah, that was a good pause.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:32:54] Yeah, real quick about it. The commercial. It would be perfect.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:32:56] That's all. That's all. Hey, we're going to take the message. We're going to take the message with Blue Shield.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:33:01] It was a terrible message.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:33:03] You saw our chick say that she need more attention.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:33:05] We didn't even speak about Blue Shield. We spoke about Honey.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:33:08] Let's let him do his thing.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:33:09] Yeah, go ahead.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:33:09] But look, again, because I'm going to do a theory time with me and Chuck. He is. I told you, he threw himself at the door earlier. Like, I was, because he tries to go in and take a shit with me. He doesn't shit, but I shit. And he sits with me while I shit. And, bro, he threw himself at the door. Right. I was like, this is a new level of desperate. He tried to penguin me. So, but anyway, yeah. so Vic okay theory Vic he's gonna look again I'm gonna get trashed for this, he's gonna come back season 2 black mask alright cause again who did he learn from who did he learn from, Vic learned from Penguin and you see how quickly he caught on by getting the second in commands to kill all their heads so he clearly a threat from crown point he's exactly from where Penguin's from, Bro, tell me.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:34:11] That would be dope.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:34:13] If they greenlight a season two. I want to let you know, too.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:34:16] I want to let you know, too.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:34:18] If they greenlight a season two, Black Mask, Vic, he's coming for you, Penguin. Monday night, raw. His dick, your ass. Thank you.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:34:33] I was scared.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:34:34] Do we have any more Vic theories? No more Vic theories.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:34:37] But I just want to jump in real quick. go ahead jump in hi you know i'm an avid hater of the joker right and and while i the movies are fine as themselves but using those as like a villain origin stories ass this this is how you do a villain origin story okay moving forward so this.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:35:00] Is this is why we should let women right.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:35:02] Boom oh talk about it um diversity women no this but this is how this is how you write a villain origin story there's some empathy for the villain you know he's crippled he's a mama's boy you know he's the underdog he's ugly as fuck but still but hey you there's some things to feel bad about and you can root for him but he's still the villain at the end of the day this, is how, this is how you do it before we shine out disappoint me again with another weak ass villain oranges story, about making them feel bad and I'm just going to talk about this for all three good superhero shows going on right now we have strong villains right now three.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:35:56] Superman and Lois I.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:35:58] Know y'all not watching but Superman and Lois is like very good but Agatha again a strong villain you empathize you actually like her but still a villain.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:36:10] You don't like Agatha? I didn't like that she was a bitch I have to watch the last episode.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:36:14] I like her I have to watch the last episode she's funny she's like she's talking her shit I don't like the penguin what does the Billy Maximoff want at the end of the road no I don't like the penguin Get your ass out of my face I like the penguin I like my boss Penguin I mean as a.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:36:30] Person I don't like him.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:36:31] He's a terrible human being But like you felt bad I don't feel bad at all You saw how his foot is shaped like this I don't care You know Before you found out about his brothers You're like oh he gotta take care of his mama No cause I knew Something in the back of my head was like he did something wrong, prior to that but yeah and then and then i'm saying superman and lois lex luther is doing some foul shit he's doing some foul shit and i want y'all to catch up i need y'all to catch up with superman lois i got someone to talk to you about this because this nigga lex is doing some fucked up shit you.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:37:10] Want me to watch four seasons.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:37:11] Just watch this last season because you're not more of the story uh that they're following the death of superman plot um from the comics they do their own spin on it he comes back to live lex luther is still still like he's sit doomsday on him but then superman comes back of course but then lex luther is still being lex luther about some shit and that's what i said on the clip i posted what y'all gonna do some niggas i know like dc superheroes we don't like to kill the villains some niggas gotta go some niggas gotta go niggas gotta go for good like you could because like lex lex in this story is again another, uh so in in superman lois uh lois actually not frames him but like sends him to prison on some false pretenses and he gets out on the technicality so now the whole super family is trying just trying to get this nigga back in jail i'm like and for this i'm not gonna say what he's done because he's done some fucked up shit but for all the shit that he's done, Y'all gonna have to kill him He killed Superman Y'all gonna keep letting this

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:38:16] nigga run free Kill him Y'all just gotta kill this nigga Stop No.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:38:22] Cause then you're gonna make people angry They're not supposed to kill.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:38:25] I get it Let these niggas die Before.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:38:29] We sign off I just remember what Colin Farrell said Like yo It's something in what episode 8 he's gonna whistle cause you he's gonna leave a bad taste in my mouth and I what.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:38:41] I

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:38:42] Thought was the previous episode where he left his brothers.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:38:47] Me too I was fucked up I'm like bro yeah yeah you fucked up and then homie.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:38:54] Killed Vic I'm like.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:38:55] No that's how I feel fuck you Oz I was the same way this is the thing he killed his brothers yeah that's fucking terrible Oz is a villain No he kills Vic No Fuck you Fuck you bro, Look purple is my favorite color But these purple fucking cars I can't even I'm.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:39:22] About to get a purple.

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:39:22] Ramp on my shit You can't say that Rolls Royce Don't look clean I'm not talking about the Maserati I'm talking about the Rolls Royce at the end I don't like it.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:39:31] It looks like a Pontiac.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:39:32] It looks like a Power Rangers What?

Matt - Episode 65:
[1:39:34] That looks nothing like a Pontiac You're talking about the Maserati looks like that.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:39:38] No, they all look like Pontiacs.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:39:40] We're about to get Wes about to fucking nut up.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:39:43] No. That's so badass.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:39:45] Pull it up. Pull it up.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:39:47] You can pull it up. I don't care. I do this to Persia all the time. He'll see. There'll be a Lamborghini. I'm like, it just looks like a Pontiac. Who cares? It's very triggering. I know what it looks like. I never care.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:39:56] Are you just not a car guy?

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:39:57] No, I just don't care. Yeah. Give me from point. It looks like a Pontiac. Oh, shit. I do it. Yeah, person knows. I know what they look like. Y'all just get triggered for no reason about cars y'all don't own. About cars I don't own. You got a Lamborghini?

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:40:16] I own that car in the future. Fuck you.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:40:19] Hey, get there. Get there, Penguin.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:40:21] Yeah, I'm going to buy you one of them fucking DeLoreans, and then I'm going to put a spike strip behind it.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:40:31] As soon as you go to drive it.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:40:32] You back out.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:40:34] You think I ain't drove on a flat before?

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:40:37] Yes, I know you. But yeah.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:40:41] What was the question?

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:40:43] No, I was just saying I thought the irredeemable No.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:40:47] It was definitely him. Yeah, fuck you, Oz.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:40:51] Fuck you. Fuck you for killing your brother.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:40:54] Fuck you in this purple rose, Royce.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:40:57] Fuck you. Yeah, exactly. Two kids.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:41:02] I know, you're right.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:41:03] With the stutter.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:41:06] Because Vic was the heart of the show, bro.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:41:09] Yo, the show not supposed to have a heart, bro.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:41:12] Yes, it was. The show was essentially told, like, yeah, it's the Penguin, but the show was technically told from Vic's point of view to an extent.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:41:20] You should have died with your family, bro.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:41:23] Oof.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:41:24] I mean, I'm not going to disagree with you. It would have been a lot more peaceful, maybe.

Leer - Episode 65:
[1:41:29] No. I'll keep that shit on. The episode is over it now.

Nick - Episode 65:
[1:41:33] Okay, before we sign off, I'm going to say something and we're going to sign off. This universe is what Christopher Nolan wanted from his stuff, but couldn't achieve it. Alright, see you, Space Cowboys, later.

Anthonio Episode 65:
[1:41:45] My ass.