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111. The Nice House!: Bebop Boys Talk Solo Leveling, Invincible & Nice House By The Sea!
Welcome back to The Bebop Boys Podcast đď¸âwhere chaos, anime, comics, and wild theories all crash into one. This week? Oh, itâs a doozy. We go FULL hype mode on the latest Solo Leveling battle, debate the animation crisis in Invincible, and then spiral into existential comic book dread with Nice House on the Lake. Buckle up.
đ¤ Solo Leveling: Ant King vs. Humanity
We break down the epic Ant King showdownâfrom Jin-Wooâs âOld Navy assassinâ fit to the dragon ball-level beatdowns. Who was Antrius? Why did the S-Ranks drop like flies? And is Jin-Woo the anime One Punch Man in disguise?
đ Invincible Season 2: Did They Fumble the Animation?
We argue over the inconsistencies, the budget, and whether Invincible deserves better visuals for a story this good. Conquest scenes, Markâs trauma, and Aaron Paul voice cameos? Weâre unpacking it ALL.
đ Nice House on the Lake: WTF Is Going On?!
Shifting gears, we dive into one of the most haunting comics out right nowâNice House on the Lake. What even are the ârequirementsâ to be chosen? Why do Walter and Max see their mission so differently? And who sent the gift... and WHY? We break down fan theories and get deep into sci-fi horror feels.
đĽ Bonus Tangents:
- TLCâs most cursed reality shows
- The âSSAâ debate no one was ready for
- Cardigans, North Face boots, and fashion-forward anime MCs
- Powerplexâs pain & collateral damage in superhero stories
- That Joe Rogan-style Solo Leveling chair-breaking meme moment đ
đŹ Sound off in the comments:
Was Nice House a metaphor for survival guilt?
Did Invincible S2 live up to the hype?
And is Jin-Woo just casually the coldest MC in anime right now?
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Matt - Episode 111:
[1:16] Hey, mic check, one, two, one, two. Welcome back to the Bebop Boy Podcast,
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:21] where we talk about animes, TV shows, comic books, and all types of fly shit.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:25] Not right.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:25] Hey, hey, hey, hey. What is up, my Beboppers?
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:29] Hey.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:30] Yeah, I think we say it different. I feel like we say it different every time.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:33] It can be different, because we talk about everything. Yeah, we do say it different shit. You know what? Make it your own thing every time.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:37] You know what?
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:38] Nobody ever lets me do it.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:40] You always say, I do the outro.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:42] Yeah.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:42] We literally asked you multiple times.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:44] Make do the intro. I do the outro!
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:45] I feel like the things we say in that should be what we're talking about on the pod. So today will be like comic books, animes, and all types of fly shit.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:56] We're talking about Batman.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:57] Daredevil, and all types of fly shit.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:59] Yeah.
Matt - Episode 111:
[2:00] How are you guys?
Persia - Episode 111:
[2:01] Good.
Matt - Episode 111:
[2:02] Good.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[2:03] Good. A little tired.
Nick - Episode 111:
[2:04] Challenged.
Matt - Episode 111:
[2:05] Challenged? Mentally?
Persia - Episode 111:
[2:07] Mentally?
Nick - Episode 111:
[2:09] Every day of my fucking life. Every day I wake up. It's a challenge.
Persia - Episode 111:
[2:13] Wesley Snipes has entered the chat.
Nick - Episode 111:
[2:14] You know, a lot of people tell me I look like Wesley Snipes from Demolition Man.
Persia - Episode 111:
[2:18] No one has told me.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[2:19] No one has ever said that.
Nick - Episode 111:
[2:20] I get it. Told me. Yeah, thank you, Wes. Yeah. They say it really in the eyes.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[2:23] Don't entertain that shit, Wes.
Nick - Episode 111:
[2:25] They say it really in the eyes. Let's do a side-by-side comparison. All right.
Persia - Episode 111:
[2:31] Anyways. Still a leveling.
Wes - Episode 111:
[2:33] Real quick. You know what's funny? Is when I would, like, people would hire me to do videos. My name is Wesley Snipes on IG.
Matt - Episode 111:
[2:41] Oh, yeah.
Wes - Episode 111:
[2:42] Every single time I get to shoot, they'd be like, oh, you're Snipes? I thought you were black. And I was like, there's pictures of me out there. My profile picture is clearly a white man. A white boy.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[2:54] The white avatar.
Nick - Episode 111:
[2:57] Oh, man. I used to get that at Journeys when people would call looking for shoes and then they'd come in to get them. And then I'd be behind the counter and they'd be like, I'm looking for Nick. And I'm like, that's me. They're like, oh.
Matt - Episode 111:
[3:07] Oh.
Nick - Episode 111:
[3:08] Huh.
Wes - Episode 111:
[3:09] I don't know how.
Matt - Episode 111:
[3:10] To mistake me as a white man.
Nick - Episode 111:
[3:12] I do it every day.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[3:15] Okay go ahead talk yo.
Matt - Episode 111:
[3:18] I want to talk about fucking solo solo that shit was hype that shit was gas very that shit was.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[3:24] Insane i was only connection after solo 11 only is the one episode we watched a couple weeks ago oh my god and the the clips of the abridged version that keeps it to you guys bro that.
Nick - Episode 111:
[3:37] New episode was no that.
Persia - Episode 111:
[3:40] Shit was insane.
Nick - Episode 111:
[3:41] So good sexually um physically mentally yeah um spiritually magically um probably um fucking amishly just really good say amishly.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[3:53] Sexually amishly shouldn't go in the same sentence no.
Nick - Episode 111:
[3:56] They they churn the butter but um yeah it was.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[4:00] So good i just watched that scene from scary movie where brenda was churning the butter and look like you're just giving a hand.
Wes - Episode 111:
[4:05] You know they do go they're allowed to go away for a year rum springer and they go wild when they.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[4:11] Go i I watch TLC is going to burn in hell. Burn in hell. They're going to have to answer for their crimes because they have the TV show.
Matt - Episode 111:
[4:21] The grown-up Amish.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[4:22] And it's just all the long list of shit they make television shows about that they shouldn't, but they do.
Nick - Episode 111:
[4:27] I'm glad that they talk about that.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[4:28] The trauma that they create or they show on that show.
Nick - Episode 111:
[4:32] Those are actors.
Persia - Episode 111:
[4:32] I saw a fucking reel, and it was for a show called My Husband's Not Gay.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[4:41] Yeah. It was a one-off episode. It was a one-off show. It was like...
Persia - Episode 111:
[4:45] It was because they were Mormon or something.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[4:49] They were religious. And they call it like a disease. Like, I have same-sex attraction.
Persia - Episode 111:
[4:55] Yeah.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[4:56] That's what they call it.
Nick - Episode 111:
[4:56] Yeah. Oh, my God.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[4:57] And then they hang out with other...
Nick - Episode 111:
[4:58] SSA. I got it.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[5:02] And they... What? That look on his face. And then they also hang out with other men who have SSAs. whatever Nick said. And...
Anthonio Episode 111:
[5:15] their wives are cool and yeah it's so.
Persia - Episode 111:
[5:19] Problematic as long as it doesn't venture into actual physical whatever like bro that nigga's gay it's not like.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[5:27] They are masculine gays.
Persia - Episode 111:
[5:32] Guys these.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[5:33] Are like liberace like ooh nerds like very 60's interpretation of gay niggas in 2022 whatever year it was.
Persia - Episode 111:
[5:45] We're gonna have a charcuterie.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[5:46] Board when everyone comes over.
Persia - Episode 111:
[5:49] Yes dear I think it was old but it was like fascinating and the guy that was doing the thing just so you know everyone on the show is an idiot it sounds.
Matt - Episode 111:
[6:01] Like a Spike TV.
Persia - Episode 111:
[6:01] Kind of show no it was like TLC it.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[6:04] Was TLC, how.
Persia - Episode 111:
[6:07] Do you get on this subject from solo leveling.
Wes - Episode 111:
[6:09] But it's crazy to me how much in denial some women are when it comes to their husbands and boyfriends being gay. No, but they were like.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[6:17] Clearly, they not supported, but they like, they told their partners, the husbands told their wives that they have same-sex attraction, SSA.
Nick - Episode 111:
[6:29] SSA.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[6:29] And they said, Yeah, my husband, yes. Yes, yes, yay. And we're gonna, we just, we all hang around with our family in a church. And yeah, so we're gonna hang out with another couple whose husband has SSA. and we're going to have dinner. You know the two husbands are fucking bitch, right?
Nick - Episode 111:
[6:48] We got to go to the bathroom real quick.
Wes - Episode 111:
[6:50] As long as it doesn't turn into... Like, what do you...
Persia - Episode 111:
[6:52] It's time to work on the garage.
Nick - Episode 111:
[6:56] Oh, the garage is getting worked in.
Wes - Episode 111:
[6:58] Oh, yeah.
Nick - Episode 111:
[7:00] Just know the car pulled in.
Wes - Episode 111:
[7:01] They can be gay, but as long as they don't act on their gay, it's okay.
Matt - Episode 111:
[7:07] Yeah, we'll deal with it.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[7:08] They're sucking each other off. Brokeback Mountain South.
Matt - Episode 111:
[7:11] They're not sucking each other off.
Persia - Episode 111:
[7:12] Solo leveling how are those related, I don't know that.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[7:20] Guy the solo level of bridge clip I sent you with the old guy that shit is hilarious that shit is ridiculous do I want to call you daddy no that.
Persia - Episode 111:
[7:31] Fucking solo leveling is insane bro.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[7:35] That shit is yes bro is it that good or is it just like action wise nothing else on right.
Persia - Episode 111:
[7:40] Now no No.
Nick - Episode 111:
[7:42] It's just that good.
Persia - Episode 111:
[7:43] Yo what up what.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[7:45] Up how many we got in the chat probably.
Nick - Episode 111:
[7:47] Not that many.
Persia - Episode 111:
[7:47] Two all.
Matt - Episode 111:
[7:48] Of them all of them all.
Nick - Episode 111:
[7:49] Of them i like bye.
Persia - Episode 111:
[7:51] Hi what.
Wes - Episode 111:
[7:52] Up hello what up though guys hello we're gonna start going live every so often so be watching out for that yeah.
Persia - Episode 111:
[7:59] Send us a galaxy why are you yelling i don't know he's excited i've.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[8:05] Never done this before.
Persia - Episode 111:
[8:06] Bro no that's it so bro that shit that shit is, that shit was crazy that bro when that nigga started running bro i literally said i was like did he try to i was like bro it was like the chat it was running i literally as soon as it happened i texted in the chat i was like he fucking tried to run like bro this nigga bro bro okay you don't know i don't give a fuck spoiler alert bro this nigga was fighting like the king and like chimera ant type thing like he was like the king of all ants and like the ants okay there's an island basically like where these ants fucked him up multiple times like this is their third time trying to dismantle these ants because the ants are evolving so they can fly off the island to like the mainland to Korea or Japan and like they'll one of them did and he that nigga was fucking shit up and he was like he killed like 30 people um, So they know they have to go take out these ants. But, like,
Persia - Episode 111:
[9:11] they've made two previous trips to that island, and it didn't, like, they lost. So they went back. But this time, unbeknownst to them, there was a black ant that was born who was, like, born to black ant. It was an African-American ant. There's D'Antrius.
Wes - Episode 111:
[9:32] D'Antrius?
Persia - Episode 111:
[9:35] Antrius the antrius was born and he bro so he was like no like popping shit like as soon as he was born this nigga screamed and fucking the whole island lit up so he was he was so he's like the ants are already a problem but like the queen ant is there and then she gave birth to this ant and then like this ant is we don't know what he can do but then in the past couple episodes we he saw what he could do and that nigga like the top rank that you can get in solo leveling is s rank that nigga was beheading people in a flash like you're just flying around and just like and.
Matt - Episode 111:
[10:16] These were characters that were hyped up.
Persia - Episode 111:
[10:18] Hyped up the whole season like talked.
Matt - Episode 111:
[10:20] About like the.
Persia - Episode 111:
[10:21] Best of the best they made a point wonderland them yes yes they made they made a point to show that these were they were stronger than the main s ranks in korea because the ones like the first ones that went out were s ranks from japan and the the japanese leader or whatever the fuck of no no of the of their union chairman is like trying to make a point like he's trying to make it like a political thing like oh the the japanese people are better than the koreans so, the the japanese people were out and about like killing the the ones on the island and just heads just started falling off like like they don't even see him and like he's just like like so they made a point to show how crazy he was and then the japanese like the leader of the japanese s ranks was already like uh jim woo said pointed out like he's definitely a step above all the S ranks. And that nigga got decapitated like that.
Matt - Episode 111:
[11:23] Not even, didn't even have a chance.
Persia - Episode 111:
[11:25] So, and then he fucked up. This dude came in, fucked up all the S ranks in an instant from Korea. Like, he didn't kill them, but like, most of them died. He said some crazy shit. That nigga said, he was like, you killed our queen. Cause like all the S ranks, that's what they were there to do. They didn't know that this guy was even there. So they, they killed the queen and, and he was like, you killed our queen. Killing your soldiers won't make up for that. So we got to find who the king of humans are so I can kill him. So he started looking. That's how he found the Japanese guy. Cause he was like, there's, you guys are weak. There's someone stronger outside. I'll go find them. And then he went and found him and then killed him. So he's like, when he, so when he came back in on this episode, first of all, they were all fighting all these fucking ants all kinds of shit, all the ants stepped to the side when this they bowed their heads they were like are the ants humanoid? some of them some of them are like they can stand straight up this one is the most humanoid because he can talk, so he this nigga walks in like the fucking undertaker, walking down the aisle and he walked up and he was like there was no king outside he's like is is he in here now and then jim woo stepped up, bde it was like.
Nick - Episode 111:
[12:48] Jim woo got there before him.
Persia - Episode 111:
[12:49] He didn't get there before that's why he was fucking h&m cardigan sweater yeah my nigga does come in no that's my favorite that old navy i will say.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[12:57] That like all the clips i've seen i was like he it's never a like as the couple clips i've seen everyone looks like they're in like dnd clothes this nigga is in some chinos and a.
Persia - Episode 111:
[13:07] Cardigan.
Nick - Episode 111:
[13:08] Bro has North Face boots on.
Persia - Episode 111:
[13:10] My boy comes out in the full Old Navy catalog.
Wes - Episode 111:
[13:14] That is so funny.
Matt - Episode 111:
[13:15] He's got armor. He actually has like crazy good armor, but it's like invisible. Like it's over him. Yeah, and it's just invisible because he doesn't want people to think that he's that strong.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[13:24] What do you call that in video games when you have to... when you customize your character and then like you put like a transmog.
Persia - Episode 111:
[13:33] He transmogs it? Is that kind of what it is? I mean it is. If you would show this crazy.
Wes - Episode 111:
[13:39] Like in Harry Potter in the Harry Potter game you know if you put on all that shit you would look fucking ridiculous.
Nick - Episode 111:
[13:46] You got like the fucking googly eyeglasses.
Wes - Episode 111:
[13:49] You got a witch's hat.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[13:51] A long king arm and shit and then with scarf over their face and then that could jump a higher ass pyro you look your character looks slow yeah so then you have to transmog it so you just look like a student.
Nick - Episode 111:
[14:02] But yeah see they can't do that in shangri-la frontier no they can't do that so he just looks stupid yeah he does.
Matt - Episode 111:
[14:08] Real quick before you continue i fucking love when sungjin woo and the aunt meet because in my head sungjin woo every single time he's dealt with any of the top type of like power enemies that he's been going against he lets his shadow like soldiers test the strength going because he has very strong shadow soldiers like egress is his main one it's like a berserker type dude and i was expecting him to have them fight and then all of them get their ass kicked no sungji woo he just walked up straight up to the ant and just stared at him i think he knew that i think i think it was an aura test for it was.
Persia - Episode 111:
[14:45] But i think that he knew that there was no point in doing that because if if his so if his if the actual s ranks couldn't hold a fucking.
Matt - Episode 111:
[14:52] Handle to this dude.
Nick - Episode 111:
[14:53] There would.
Persia - Episode 111:
[14:54] Be no point in using.
Nick - Episode 111:
[14:55] The shoulder he had mentioned before um what's what is the ant's name too it's like starts with a b i think it's like.
Matt - Episode 111:
[15:00] B-r-i-r-u i do not remember but.
Nick - Episode 111:
[15:04] Before he came in his like uh Igris and uh like his other dudes were fighting the ants and he was like they're holding their own he's like but my lower ones are struggling yeah so if this dude comes in and they all bow he's like there's no point there's.
Matt - Episode 111:
[15:17] No point at all.
Nick - Episode 111:
[15:18] Sacrificing fucking mana.
Persia - Episode 111:
[15:20] And then that does cost him energy. So for that, But it was like an aura test. And he was like, the fucking black ant tried to clean this nigga shit. He said. They was looking up. And then fucking Jinwoo was looking at him. And he was like, the guy started talking. And he was like, oh, are you the king of humans? And he was like, hmm, a talking ant. Would you look at that? And then the guy, he was like, oh, this guy has a different aura. But then he screamed, like roared at him. and then he was like but you're still just a bug oh shit.
Nick - Episode 111:
[15:56] That shit was i was.
Persia - Episode 111:
[15:57] Like and then the ant was like dude impact frame like crazy like power up bam and explosion into the ground and then and then like there was smoke from the punch and like everyone was like oh he underestimated the ant this thing was standing there like nothing nothing just punched him back so then they had like a power like a power struggle like the punches um and then they started getting into it bro like they got deeper like deeper deeper deeper and then like they were but the thing about jim woo is jim woo gets stronger as he fights yes so if he's not like if there's not like a huge power gap between you he's gonna come out on top because he's gonna learn as he's fighting.
Matt - Episode 111:
[16:42] He's solo leveling bro you just gotta watch it what one little scene about that part that i fucking loved is the people watching the S-Rank.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[16:50] Does he actually struggle then? If he's just gonna...
Nick - Episode 111:
[16:52] He has before.
Persia - Episode 111:
[16:53] He fights people sometimes he does fight people where it's above his thing. The whole point of the show is that the hunters in the show can't get stronger
Persia - Episode 111:
[17:05] and he's the only one that can. So he's the only one. But he died. He used to be the world's weakest hunter where a low little fucking scroll would could take him out and then he then he died and got resurrected and then he kind of got reborn when he did so now his power now he doesn't have a cap on his power but he uh but, he has to survive the fight to get stronger which he will happen like the fight the fight that he had before this one that nigga almost got whacked.
Nick - Episode 111:
[17:38] But that's he like in those instances he's going up against enemies that everyone else does not know about like these are special things.
Persia - Episode 111:
[17:46] That only he can do. Yeah. And he's like, so he's still like to a degree, he's still trying to hide.
Nick - Episode 111:
[17:53] His powers he did he said in this episode he's like about to do some shit.
Matt - Episode 111:
[17:56] He's like don't tell anybody y'all can't tell no one.
Nick - Episode 111:
[17:59] About this and he was about to rise he was about to raise the.
Matt - Episode 111:
[18:01] That would have been crazy that.
Persia - Episode 111:
[18:05] Would have been crazy here.
Nick - Episode 111:
[18:06] We go again.
Persia - Episode 111:
[18:06] But so he so he ends up fighting with this ant and then like the ant is like what the fuck like as he's fighting he's like what the fuck what's wrong with this human and then he's like and then he like goes into perfect cell mode basically and then they start fighting like what they're fighting like they kind of i like i like how they show people's reactions in there.
Matt - Episode 111:
[18:25] Like i was about to say dude fucking.
Persia - Episode 111:
[18:27] What's the guy's name though.
Matt - Episode 111:
[18:28] With the vegeta voice actor yeah red hair yeah he was like his.
Persia - Episode 111:
[18:32] Eyes were like trying to follow him like they were going crazy because like it just looked like flashes of light flying all over the.
Matt - Episode 111:
[18:37] Fucking there was one scene that his reaction before that because the entire time every single time somebody sees sungji mu doing some shit that nobody would be it's a normal anime reaction how is he doing that what what the hell the dude with the red head the entire show once he like saw that he was an s rank has been noticing it's been taking notes like he's so he's getting stronger he's.
Persia - Episode 111:
[18:58] The only one that noticed that he's getting stronger.
Matt - Episode 111:
[19:00] Yeah he's like taking that mental note like i think he's not only a reawakened person but he's getting stronger and as this fight's going on right when they right when he throws uh the ant throws the first punch he's like oh sungji woo's dead then sungji woo's fights back and then his reaction is oh my god he's actually strong and then the ant does another move because he may he poisons sungjin woo like he does this attack that poisons him and now he's like you can't move and sungjin woo's on the ground he's like now i'm gonna finish you off the redhead dude's like up all right now he's gonna now now he's gonna die and then right as he's coming in sungjin grabs his arm punches him so far that he goes flying the redhead dude he has his face where he just goes you know i don't I'm not surprised by anything anymore. He's just like, at this point, I'm not surprised. I don't know what's going on.
Persia - Episode 111:
[19:49] Mind you, this whole thing is being live cast.
Nick - Episode 111:
[19:52] So then Danny back at home is getting horny.
Persia - Episode 111:
[19:55] What the fuck? I love him.
Nick - Episode 111:
[19:57] The fucking chairman guy.
Persia - Episode 111:
[19:58] The chairman.
Matt - Episode 111:
[19:58] He was like, bro.
Nick - Episode 111:
[20:00] He broke his chair.
Matt - Episode 111:
[20:01] He got so hype.
Nick - Episode 111:
[20:03] He broke his chair watching.
Matt - Episode 111:
[20:03] Because everybody was dying. The feed went out. Because somebody went to the island to stream to everybody. And when that feed went out, everybody thought they were dying. and the chairman's sitting there like stressed and he's like I can't have this happen I wish I can be there blah blah blah and then when the broadcast came back on it was Sungjin Woo like Nick said he broke his chair and he's like he's there he's there I don't know how he's there but he's there.
Persia - Episode 111:
[20:24] It's that meme bro it's that meme of like Joe.
Nick - Episode 111:
[20:27] Rogan and them at a UFC fight and they're.
Persia - Episode 111:
[20:29] All like oh, so they so as they're fighting like when the ant goes into like perfect cell mode.
Matt - Episode 111:
[20:40] He fucking.
Persia - Episode 111:
[20:41] Like they're they're really starting to get it and then um, Jinwoo, like, generates his blades, and then he starts cutting, he cut this nigga's arms off, they regenerated, and then he, like, they really fight, and then he cuts his arms and his legs off. And then, um, the guy was like, this human, this human! And then the fucking ants were like, the ants was like, alright, alright. So then they start trying to fight, and then he was like, he sends his soldiers to go fight the ants. and then the the black ant the antrius gets up the antrius gets up he regenerates his legs he's like i gotta go i gotta flee so i can survive like he i was like no way this nigga tried to run away no way you scurried away that nigga i mean honestly i feel you no.
Wes - Episode 111:
[21:34] Yeah oh 100 percent you.
Persia - Episode 111:
[21:36] Get born.
Nick - Episode 111:
[21:36] The king act like it.
Persia - Episode 111:
[21:37] That's not true he.
Matt - Episode 111:
[21:38] Was a bitch he went out a bitch.
Persia - Episode 111:
[21:39] He i read a lot of bitches.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[21:41] Go out dead.
Persia - Episode 111:
[21:42] Jimu has like this ability to like like he can grab things like with his energy like basically telekinesis kind of yeah so he like pulls he pulls him back and then then he was like oh no fucking crawl away so then he he does them like a fucking uh like uh some sushi like my boy from fucking demon slayer slice this nigga up into little pieces and then he like died. But bro, that fight was crazy. I watched that shit three times.
Matt - Episode 111:
[22:12] I did re-watch it immediately.
Nick - Episode 111:
[22:14] I watched it again tonight.
Persia - Episode 111:
[22:15] I was like, god damn.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[22:17] What I've been seeing also, like the bridge clips I see online and like the way you guys hype it up, it's kind of one of those things that I want to get into. I just haven't. Because I remember hearing about it. I was like, okay.
Matt - Episode 111:
[22:26] I compared it earlier to Dragon Ball.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[22:29] It sounds weird. Dragon Ball coding.
Matt - Episode 111:
[22:30] The story's good. It's interesting. It's enough to keep you going. But you're just watching to see Sung Jin Woo kick some ass. And he kicks ass. And it delivers every fucking time.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[22:41] Are these fight scenes going three, four episodes?
Persia - Episode 111:
[22:45] No.
Nick - Episode 111:
[22:45] No.
Matt - Episode 111:
[22:46] Most of them, no.
Persia - Episode 111:
[22:48] Solo leveling has a fucking Dead Man Wonderland type of intro, too. like solo levelings i think it's the first in the second episode nigga oh yeah that's probably the longest like like sequence of events that's a good i think it's like the first two to three episodes where this one thing is happening but that's what sets the whole tone but nigga that shit is that shit is fucking uh dead man wonderland like it's like boy you do not even the way.
Nick - Episode 111:
[23:19] They fucking annihilated the s-rank hunters from japan there's a scene in dead man wonderland where they introduce these two dudes like majority episodes explaining their backstory how hardcore they are and then crow walks in kills them immediately and they never mention those.
Persia - Episode 111:
[23:34] Guys so it's basically it was it's bro it's it's fucking wild but i think that like so i ended up reading ahead because this was a of course you did this was an online thing like it's i can't think of what they call it.
Matt - Episode 111:
[23:48] Manwas.
Nick - Episode 111:
[23:49] Manwas.
Matt - Episode 111:
[23:50] Or Webtoon.
Nick - Episode 111:
[23:51] Yeah, Webtoon and Manwas.
Persia - Episode 111:
[23:51] That's what it is.
Nick - Episode 111:
[23:52] Yeah, it's a Korean manga.
Persia - Episode 111:
[23:53] Yeah, so...
Anthonio Episode 111:
[23:55] Oh, solo leveling.
Persia - Episode 111:
[23:56] Yeah, so it's already wrapped. It was wrapped up before they started the animation. Wait, the story's done? Yeah, it's done.
Nick - Episode 111:
[24:03] I got it in a comic book form. I got it in my room.
Persia - Episode 111:
[24:05] What, really? It's good as fuck. But where it goes, there is a reason for everything, which makes it dope seeing it. And I think... the only from what i've seen about it the only way that i could make sense of it is like it has a it has a attack on titan level twist like oh like like not not that's a big one not not and not necessarily a twist but like remember how like when we were watching it like even you would know this like when you're watching attack on titan and you like i know what's going on yeah And then, like, you get beyond your, like, don't know what the fuck is going on. Like, yeah, it's like, it's like what we think is sweet right now is, like, there's, like, it's like that fucking meme where, um... it was like they put itachi and sasuke on there and it's like the person has the gun to the back of the head but then there's someone behind.
Nick - Episode 111:
[25:05] Someone with a sniper it's basically it's like yeah he said i'm over there in the chair still yeah.
Persia - Episode 111:
[25:13] It's gonna be crazy seeing it's gonna be crazy seeing where that goes.
Nick - Episode 111:
[25:17] Because like.
Persia - Episode 111:
[25:18] Or how they animate it because his dad has a role his dad hinted at it low-key his dad said when they were asking him he was like he said this shit basically
Persia - Episode 111:
[25:27] he said this shit goes way deeper than magic beasts and hunters like there's like it goes way deeper.
Nick - Episode 111:
[25:34] My yeah the the one thing that i was thinking about after i finished the episode and um it's my gripe with most things when it comes to anime is like the power scaling now because like now these s-rank hunters mean nothing to me yes it's they're so their characters are so pointless to me now because it's like what do you contribute i think the like one of the best animes that did power scaling to an extent was naruto yeah i can see where everyone seemed at least a little bit on par with most people you had a couple who were like above but like this one, sungjin woo is so far beyond them towards like we don't need any of you yeah like y'all can retire get the fucking but it the thing is my my thought on the power scaling is these s ranks mean nothing to me now.
Persia - Episode 111:
[26:31] But the but the thing about that is like.
Nick - Episode 111:
[26:33] And then if but well even.
Persia - Episode 111:
[26:34] In naruto that existed because like they were they always made a point to show like like like kakashi i saw a meme earlier where they were saying kakashi was like kakashi's the only nigga in the whole show that didn't have to introduce himself ever. Everybody knew who he was.
Nick - Episode 111:
[26:48] That was a copy.
Persia - Episode 111:
[26:49] But Kakashi couldn't do shit with Itachi.
Nick - Episode 111:
[26:53] No, nobody could do shit with Itachi.
Persia - Episode 111:
[26:55] But that's the point. There's always somebody who's light years above everyone else.
Nick - Episode 111:
[26:59] Yeah, but what I'm saying is like, so say an enemy comes in and one of the S-ranked hunters is dealing damage and they're like, I can't do it. Sungjin Woo comes in, cleans it quickly.
Persia - Episode 111:
[27:12] I get what you mean. like they kind of like they kind of so like it it sets the tone because like like i get what you mean because like when you're talking when you think about like how it initially was you're like okay like they made you feel how strong an s rank was like like because you start off with e ranks and then you show the different levels of like what a person can contribute in this realm or whatever and then it's like okay an s rank is is peak an a rank could probably hold their own for a little bit but like you know okay i see what you're doing yeah and then when you introduce that like like s rank is a spectrum like fucking autism yeah like like you like bro yeah like now, if it's an otherworldly like you kind of just you're setting the tone so now you have to go above that like you just showed that some random fucking bug was stronger than all of the s ranks and he well maybe not maybe not because was.
Nick - Episode 111:
[28:16] He not because everybody was getting absolutely wrecked.
Persia - Episode 111:
[28:18] They hinted at that american guy and said that he was struck he was he could take out a whole army by himself so yeah did we they never showed him but like i mean they showed a picture he.
Nick - Episode 111:
[28:28] Looked the most.
Persia - Episode 111:
[28:28] American that's like yeah ridiculous looking fucking character bro like i feel man was bandit yeah yeah you're embarrassed he looked like bandit keith he looked like yeah he didn't wouldn't have killed himself but like been him so this guy they they so they kind of hinted that, one you got to take into consideration that uh there are a bunch of countries in the world and we're only talking about we've talked about three so far yeah and every country probably has an s rank but i will say like so dope that ant though like if if he could what he did to those s ranks like there's probably besides jin woo there probably isn't anyone else that could do anything with him what.
Matt - Episode 111:
[29:10] I will say is because i agree with that trope but and i've been saying this a lot especially with invincible i think with this that's the point is that they want sungjin woo to be on such another level. And for the plot reason, because after this episode, when they were talking about he's getting stronger as I'm fighting him, it reminded me of One Punch Man, where that's his entire thing.
Nick - Episode 111:
[29:35] I was going to use that as a thing too.
Matt - Episode 111:
[29:36] Okay.
Persia - Episode 111:
[29:38] But there's no way they can even approach it like One Punch Man, because Jinwoo actually is, he has to be the same.
Matt - Episode 111:
[29:44] And that's where I think they could use that as the plot, where in One Punch Man, nobody knows saitama's that strong nobody other than genos and some yeah only a few people but sonic.
Nick - Episode 111:
[29:56] Not so what's that what's the.
Matt - Episode 111:
[29:58] Other dude uh supersonic what's.
Nick - Episode 111:
[30:00] The dude who fights with supersonic he's a s-rank hero or a rank hero.
Matt - Episode 111:
[30:03] It's been so long with one punch man i.
Nick - Episode 111:
[30:06] Was gonna say they're dropping the manga every like.
Matt - Episode 111:
[30:08] Three or four months yeah but yes.
Nick - Episode 111:
[30:10] Some people know about his strength.
Matt - Episode 111:
[30:12] And so in that one it's like there's still a reason for the hero society there's still reason for this in solo leveling sungjin woo's entire thing was i don't want people to know i'm this strong i don't want to i don't want to be important at work you know like i even with this raid he was like nah i want to be with my fam i don't really care too much about that in this fight he got recorded so now everybody knows he's that strong so the plot point could be sungjin woo we need you solely to kill everything we don't even need hunters anymore we want you and sungjin Moon's going to be like, fuck all you guys. I don't want to do that.
Persia - Episode 111:
[30:47] Yeah, he's like... Well, I don't know if he would do that because he's very humble.
Nick - Episode 111:
[30:53] Yeah, he is.
Persia - Episode 111:
[30:53] But overall, though, he's... i i get what you're saying like because they're kind of making these other characters seem obsolete.
Nick - Episode 111:
[31:01] Because like now like where do you go from.
Persia - Episode 111:
[31:03] Seeing this nigga just do that.
Nick - Episode 111:
[31:04] Yeah exactly that's what i'm saying because like in naruto you still had favorite characters because like my example would be like guy takes on kisame that's a great fight but let's be honest with ourselves naruto probably would have struggled against kisame but naruto's still like the strongest yeah but like skill wise in like you know crossing pass wise he wouldn't even know where to go in that fight yeah while guy is more equipped for that like so it's just easier to put people against each other well in this one sungjin woo whoever you put against him he's they're done for like naruto jumped into the fight with gai sensei naruto wouldn't have been much of a help yeah it would have been like ah like watch out my man's is jinjiriki level power yeah calm down you we know you got that shit in you but sit over there right quick.
Persia - Episode 111:
[31:56] Yeah they're basically setting they're basically setting like uh the tone for like now we're we're probably gonna end up moving away from hunters because like now what can a hunter do like you're like because like at least even with Demon Slayer. Demon Slayer, I think, has pretty good, power scaling too um but like so the sound hashira that fight when he was fighting uh i can't remember the the dude's name but that the the lower whatever the fuck and um guitar yeah that shit was peak fucking cinema that neither one of them were the strongest like you know so like it's like how you it's how you team it up like even like i agree like it was it's the match ups but then at a certain point too it's like you could maybe animate because like when you're talking about like like naruto for example they did have multiple fights happening or even one piece one piece is like that yeah oh you'll have like the goats fighting versus and the lower like usap will be fighting somebody each did that all these do.
Nick - Episode 111:
[33:08] You not consider usap a goat.
Persia - Episode 111:
[33:09] All the all the lower people will be fighting at my man's.
Nick - Episode 111:
[33:13] Name isn't god.
Persia - Episode 111:
[33:14] Usap for a reason all the lower level people will be fighting at in all fairness if you have me.
Nick - Episode 111:
[33:19] There's no lower level straw.
Persia - Episode 111:
[33:20] Anyway they'll show all the people fighting at once whereas like like with this it's like you could probably animate it in a way where it would look exciting still but it's like you will know that like all right well this other dude if he came in this which is what they did in one punch man, they removed Saitama from the equation basically and it was still good but I.
Nick - Episode 111:
[33:43] Think we all understand that One Punch Man that is the whole.
Persia - Episode 111:
[33:46] Trope they're making fun.
Nick - Episode 111:
[33:47] Of that so it's easier to just kind of run with the punches with One Punch Man.
Persia - Episode 111:
[33:53] I will say and he's.
Nick - Episode 111:
[33:54] Also like as a main character.
Persia - Episode 111:
[33:56] He's so oblivious to everything going on he's such a fucking idiot but that's the whole thing that is the whole point of his character but aside from that I will say, though, there's something that I did read which tripped me out, and I can't wait to see how the fuck they're going to play this off because I can't, like, I can't make sense of it, and... we didn't when we when it happened we were like no it's his dad, do you want me to leave it or you want me to tell you.
Nick - Episode 111:
[34:29] Ask him as well uh we're also on live is.
Matt - Episode 111:
[34:34] It like a little bit after.
Persia - Episode 111:
[34:36] It's it's it's not like something his dad does it's something about his dad like.
Nick - Episode 111:
[34:40] Who his dad is oh leave it leave it leave it leave it leave it yeah leave he's.
Persia - Episode 111:
[34:46] Gay no oh.
Nick - Episode 111:
[34:48] Power but.
Persia - Episode 111:
[34:50] He's so you know what I'm talking about.
Nick - Episode 111:
[34:53] What we talked about what.
Persia - Episode 111:
[34:55] We talked about like who his dad is and like in relation to Jim Wu it's not what we it is what we said it wasn't oh okay like like which doesn't make sense because then how do people not know who he is.
Nick - Episode 111:
[35:09] Yeah that makes like which okay yeah so okay that is exactly what you're talking about yeah.
Persia - Episode 111:
[35:14] So which is.
Nick - Episode 111:
[35:15] That's weird that's.
Persia - Episode 111:
[35:16] Weird as fuck.
Nick - Episode 111:
[35:17] Yeah okay never mind so so.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[35:19] You have the whole thing you just haven't finished it.
Nick - Episode 111:
[35:21] No no no i um so what comic books do over here on free comic book day which is one of my favorite fucking things and they've been doing it for a long time is they will they will release a single issue of a manga so like i have issue one of solo leveling as a comic book.
Matt - Episode 111:
[35:37] That's cool as fuck.
Nick - Episode 111:
[35:38] They did it for one punch man as well really yeah that was rare yeah uh they just did one last year was, One Piece and it was the backstory of Ace and how he got his devil fruit and that one's fantastic I was about to say fire, pun intended and then this year is Kagura Bachi.
Matt - Episode 111:
[35:56] Nice That's sick as fuck.
Nick - Episode 111:
[35:59] They do it a lot.
Wes - Episode 111:
[36:00] There's a Pokemon one that you gave me last year.
Nick - Episode 111:
[36:02] They do a lot of Pokemon ones Dragon Ball Z has a whole run in comic books, and also Cowboy Bebop oh that's a four issue run okay for comics and uh yeah it's great but uh for free comic book day they usually do like the first issue of like a very popular manga yeah that's so cool or webtoon and i have the solo leveling one in my room right now that's cool and i have i don't have the one punch one one punch man one is expensive.
Persia - Episode 111:
[36:33] Damn well that makes sense well speaking of comics Invincible.
Matt - Episode 111:
[36:38] Comics, Invincible.
Nick - Episode 111:
[36:39] Invincible.
Matt - Episode 111:
[36:40] Didn't we already... I'm gonna take a backseat to this. Yeah, this is pretty much like, what are your thoughts?
Nick - Episode 111:
[36:45] This is gonna be Matt defending. This is gonna be Matt defending for a while.
Persia - Episode 111:
[36:49] I'll try to jump into it. We can go through it real quick. Overall, I liked it. So, me and you might argue about that, actually, because I don't mind the animation. I don't know what's wrong with the animation.
Nick - Episode 111:
[37:01] The animation... I'm consistent.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[37:03] The animation is...
Matt - Episode 111:
[37:10] It's inconsistent that's my main problem.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[37:12] It's not it's just for the studio the voice actors and everything the even the plot the i find the animation to be distracting nothing i can say there's been worse and there's worse animations out there yeah there's worse things out there but for the budget, the attention, for this grand deal.
Persia - Episode 111:
[37:38] The level of it. Yeah. But you also got to consider... The animation is distracting. If you're comparing the animation of this to anime animation, then that's a whole other world. I'm not going to talk about anime animation. I can't really think of a...
Anthonio Episode 111:
[37:51] I compare this to shows like Young Justice, Justice League, Avatar.
Wes - Episode 111:
[37:56] These are all American-based productions.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[37:58] Complicated stories, rich storylines.
Wes - Episode 111:
[38:01] And the animation, the animations aren't even the best in the best of the... Of the genre.
Persia - Episode 111:
[38:09] Of the genre, yeah.
Wes - Episode 111:
[38:10] But they are...
Anthonio Episode 111:
[38:13] And these are dated shows.
Wes - Episode 111:
[38:16] I would say Avatar.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[38:18] Like Aang Avatar animation is better than fucking Invincible.
Persia - Episode 111:
[38:23] I don't... For me, it doesn't... It didn't do that for me.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[38:28] Especially in the gore scenes.
Matt - Episode 111:
[38:31] Yeah. It can be distracting. I literally had this argument with my friend the other day.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[38:35] With Joe.
Matt - Episode 111:
[38:37] I was having this exact argument with my friend the other day, and he was somebody that didn't read the comics, and he was saying people are being two pussies about the animation. It's not bad whatsoever. And then he was comparing it to Ben 10 and saying, dude, people expect Ben 10. This is even better than that. No, it's not.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[38:55] Ben 10's animation is fucking good.
Matt - Episode 111:
[38:56] It was great.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[38:57] Very good.
Matt - Episode 111:
[38:57] I have two points to it. One, as somebody who read the comic, when it comes to the big scenes, Conquest putting his hand through Eve, Conquest and Mark going off the ground to fight, Conquest and Mark with the head bashing, not the end of the head bashing, but the beginning. These were all scenes actually when Mark was saying, I live to see the future, you don't live. Those panels were so detailed. And like, I was staring at those panels like, holy fuck, these are insane. And so I was telling my friend, if I didn't read Invincible, I probably wouldn't have too much of a gripe about the animation. But since I've read the story, I'm watching this to see a good interpretation of it animated. I don't give a shit about the story. I want to see this in a full-fledged good way.
Matt - Episode 111:
[39:49] Production and so when it comes to those scenes it was just a png or just a still shot that lasted only like five seconds it wasn't that detailed and then there was the scene where mark's rolling on the ground it's like the best most fluid animation i've ever seen in invincible it looks so good but for a part of mark just going oh like what and then it's the inconsistency because when i i re-watched or i'm re-watching season two and i re-watched the omni-man fight in season one it's consistent it's not the best animation but it's consistent and then season three it's like oh wow this looks really good and then there's parts where i'm like oh like dragon ball super yeah that's a real yeah that's a great yes great fucking comparison like you could see like good job nick yes and that that's my problem with the anime yeah it's not like it's not the worst It's not the worst.
Wes - Episode 111:
[40:45] But for the attention that it gets, for the budget, blah.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[40:51] Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Wes - Episode 111:
[40:51] That animation, they can do better.
Persia - Episode 111:
[40:54] They can do better on that animation, bro.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[40:56] For me, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but it's also for the...
Wes - Episode 111:
[41:02] What? So between season one and two, there was two years, three years?
Matt - Episode 111:
[41:08] I think so, yeah.
Wes - Episode 111:
[41:09] And then a back-to-back year between seasons two and three, like.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[41:15] Again, and coming from shows that used to be.
Wes - Episode 111:
[41:17] You know, week to week, consistent animation and whatever.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[41:22] I'm sorry, you can animate even, or whatever, whatever the issue is.
Wes - Episode 111:
[41:28] The animation can be better.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[41:31] The animation should be better.
Matt - Episode 111:
[41:33] They showed it already.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[41:34] Should be better. Yeah.
Wes - Episode 111:
[41:35] I'm not even, I didn't even like the animation in season one.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[41:40] But like, damn, it's not even season one.
Matt - Episode 111:
[41:43] I agree.
Persia - Episode 111:
[41:43] I 100 agree i would have to re-watch it but i would say overall like the when i when i watch something i compare it to other things in that category so like for something to distract me it has to like not match my expectations for that category which is like there's a spectrum to that but like so for example when i watched um the fuck is that show called uh castlevania and they put it that's why i texted in the group chat i was like like because they it's categorized as an anime and it doesn't look like an anime but it's like not it doesn't look like an anime it looks like an adult cartoon so castlevania.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[42:25] Is produced by madhouse and they have a very particular style.
Persia - Episode 111:
[42:30] But even like the frames per second and like everything like about even the way that the characters move like doesn't is not animated yeah so like that one was distracting for me until i was like okay let me just watch it let me just see what it is and i'll just like i still don't it doesn't watch like an anime to me this didn't do it i didn't notice the animation at all like every time.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[42:52] I watch i'm like yo this is not good like it's so distracting to me like i and i'm not uh an expert on the genre i don't like i normally don't, like my favorite cartoon is fucking steven universe the simplest fucking good one you know i'm saying the simplest fucking animation and drawing drawing and shit don't i'm not that particular on visual shit and for me to notice how not good this is like i watch chibi shit like i'm you know i'm i don't like too too much.
Persia - Episode 111:
[43:29] In tie it's.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[43:31] Detailed giggity uh so like i'm not i'm not I can't complain, but sometimes I'm watching it and it's a distraction, bro.
Matt - Episode 111:
[43:39] I think it's just...
Anthonio Episode 111:
[43:41] It's a distraction for me.
Matt - Episode 111:
[43:43] Basing it off, because I agree with Persia, where I can't help but to use examples from other kind of show medium that I use. But for this one, my example is the first two seasons where I'm like, dude, it was consistent.
Persia - Episode 111:
[43:59] Maybe it was look that could be part of it, too, because I haven't rewatched those like the last time I watched that was when we were in Miami.
Matt - Episode 111:
[44:05] And I just rewatched them recently. And I was I'm sitting there like, whoa, I was going to rewatch them, too.
Persia - Episode 111:
[44:11] So maybe that rewatch.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[44:12] Season one I just want to rewatch season one season two was so bad and season three is pissing me off.
Persia - Episode 111:
[44:16] So I'll.
Matt - Episode 111:
[44:17] Probably only rewatch and then now they're gonna come out yearly from now on.
Persia - Episode 111:
[44:21] They gotta they gotta if they gotta we'll see I got hope as much material to get through as they there's a lot they're only like 20% through the story you guys gotta work faster they also.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[44:31] It will benefit so much from a okay we're not doing 26 episodes can you give me 10 can you give me 12 to 13 I agree, they just be dumping shit and he just be.
Persia - Episode 111:
[44:46] That invincible.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[44:48] War should have been three episodes one episode I was very.
Persia - Episode 111:
[44:53] Disappointed, they didn't have Spawn they just dropped him in there randomly throughout the that could have been one scene in and of itself the way they used the time is interesting Wes did you want to say something, story wise I like the fucking story I really like that fucking one with Aaron Paul, but i like that nigga.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[45:17] Would just scream me the whole time, yeah it's.
Persia - Episode 111:
[45:22] So good yo it's.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[45:23] All your fault yo.
Persia - Episode 111:
[45:24] Because my girl was watching my girl was watching breaking bad war yeah so she's she had me watch you would hear that multiple shows with this nigga in it the only one that i watched with aaron paul in it was the one where he wasn't talking like that it was fucking black mirror but like but like his fucking voice is so he's so, listen bitch i swear to god but overall though that episode was dope as fuck because the perspective was dope yeah like the perspective of seeing what's happening from a third party like you see the chicago event from somebody on the ground at a distance so you see fucking like you see you see like you look up and nothing like just all of a sudden a fucking batman.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[46:19] V superman where it was told from bruce wayne when uh man is seal was told from bruce very much similar wolf that like you understand his point of view yeah.
Persia - Episode 111:
[46:28] Like with this shit like you just see like but i i like it like this guy is just like he has powers but he's a person like a regular person on the ground just seeing this shit happen like which is like a fascinating because you know i like i started like thinking deeply about that shit and i'm just like bro could you imagine just being a person and then you're just walking your fucking dog and then something just flies through a building next to you like what the boys i must say the boys The Boys.
Nick - Episode 111:
[46:56] First episode. The Boys.
Persia - Episode 111:
[46:57] Oh, yeah.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[46:58] First scene?
Persia - Episode 111:
[47:01] It was like that, but this was even better to me because it was on a grander scale. They could do things they couldn't do in The Boys.
Matt - Episode 111:
[47:10] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Persia - Episode 111:
[47:11] Nigga, he blew through a building and the whole top collapsed.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[47:16] Because you imagine.
Persia - Episode 111:
[47:16] And he was trying to hold it up. You can see from the ground, and then you just see Omni-Man just kind of just appear. and like from like the way that they did the director of that shit is like yeah the way that they did it is like this dude like looks up and he's fucking looking and then omni-man just fucking pops down on the ground and it's like what the fuck and then he just like they fly up and like it's just seeing shit like that was dope as fuck because like i haven't considered it the entire time i'm watching this but it's like you gotta think about that shit bro that would be fucking terrible he no what's that live wire.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[47:48] Dive wire whatever his name.
Persia - Episode 111:
[47:49] Is power oh power powerplex live.
Wes - Episode 111:
[47:53] Wire alive i'm sorry.
Persia - Episode 111:
[47:54] Not even that part not not not that part what not when he becomes powerplex but i just understand his perspective just like not even that not even that i'm just saying like not even like his emotional ties to the situation i'm just saying like the in general like imagine being a normal person okay in this realm not even with we're like you're just you can literally just be going about your day like bro in that last episode with fucking conquest these people are on the beach and they're just walking and only one girl noticed and they like she probably couldn't even see what was coming at her and all those everybody split in half like you just like literally can die we talk.
Wes - Episode 111:
[48:35] About how the human population they want to take over earth y'all show just killing the population for y'all yeah.
Persia - Episode 111:
[48:42] Like bro there's.
Wes - Episode 111:
[48:43] Gonna be nothing left.
Persia - Episode 111:
[48:44] Which is wild they sent.
Matt - Episode 111:
[48:47] Me here not to make you fall in line and have things they just made me here to conquest.
Persia - Episode 111:
[48:51] Yeah like which is here to fucking crazy but like so that perspective to me was insane that perspective was dope as fuck like just seeing things like that and i feel like anybody could fucking get powerplex's thing like yeah he did He literally did everything that he was supposed to do, which is also fucked up, which I feel like you would understand because it's like you do everything the right way and you still, like, he did everything up to the point of, like, before becoming Powerplex.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[49:17] Yes.
Persia - Episode 111:
[49:17] And the lady was like, There's nothing I can do for you.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[49:20] Yeah.
Persia - Episode 111:
[49:21] The rules don't apply to these people.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[49:22] Yeah.
Persia - Episode 111:
[49:23] Which is true.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[49:23] Yeah.
Persia - Episode 111:
[49:23] And then you also got to think about it. Like with Powerplex's whole thing, this nigga accidentally killed his family. Mark didn't intentionally kill anybody.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[49:36] Mark was literally getting abused by his father.
Persia - Episode 111:
[49:38] He was trying to save the people too, which is like he was doing like, like so you kind of just proved his point is just like the fact that powerful people are fighting invites casualties like you just it's bad oh my god which is like yeah like any war is like that all.
Nick - Episode 111:
[49:57] The time world war one had more casualties the way he's the way.
Persia - Episode 111:
[50:02] He is yeah yeah he's the way i feel like most most wars are like being murdered.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[50:06] On like like being used as a shield on the subway yeah.
Persia - Episode 111:
[50:11] Bro it's like.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[50:12] I was playing mortal kombat one the other day and that's a fatality of when he holds you and just makes you go through the fucking subway.
Persia - Episode 111:
[50:19] Bro that's fucking but i mean in reality like it's the only thing that's like spectacular about this shit is that it's super humans doing it because like like to nick's point this happens in real life like yeah casualties, happen in real it's just like you were just unfortunate enough to be in this place at the Yeah. Life is something. It does.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[50:41] You just have a person to us.
Wes - Episode 111:
[50:44] You can't even assign your blame.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[50:46] Again, you can't even assign your blame to Invincible. He was a victim.
Persia - Episode 111:
[50:50] He was a victim in that situation.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[50:51] He was a victim in that situation.
Wes - Episode 111:
[50:53] And to be mad at his daddy.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[50:54] He's actually trying to vindicate.
Persia - Episode 111:
[50:58] Yeah vindicate.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[50:59] Against the word or whatever he's trying to do better.
Persia - Episode 111:
[51:02] He's he is and then the thing about that too is like like my point with that was that like yeah like like to even what jalear was saying in the chat but it's like your anger is misplaced because like and then you just and then that the shit always trips me out when i like see examples of it but like yeah like you proved you proved that in your anger and in your hatred for this person you proved that what happened to your sister is inevitable because you did it and your whole point was to get revenge for someone else but like obviously they get taken over by this emotion or whatever the fuck but like, that is a reality you.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[51:45] Killed his baby mama and his baby and he still thought that was Invincible's.
Persia - Episode 111:
[51:50] Fault she was encouraging him to do it I'm sorry.
Wes - Episode 111:
[51:52] I don't know how you thought that was Invincible's fault.
Persia - Episode 111:
[51:54] Yo, also...
Wes - Episode 111:
[51:54] I don't know how you thought...
Persia - Episode 111:
[51:56] Yo, side note, did any of you guys see Breaking Bad?
Matt - Episode 111:
[51:59] Yes.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[51:59] Yes.
Persia - Episode 111:
[52:00] That girl looked like his girlfriend from...
Wes - Episode 111:
[52:02] I think it was all done intentionally.
Matt - Episode 111:
[52:04] No, no, people were saying that. She looks like that in the comics. Unless they were planning on him to play power.
Persia - Episode 111:
[52:11] But she did look like that. It was a weird irony that that happened. But the shit with... The thing about that, too, is like, you got to think, too, is like, what is the alternative? we talked about that shit with even uh like marvel comics any anything with a superhero where you're like uh the the white knight batman the white knight yeah anything like that like bro what is the alternative and not help you can't like they you can't help because like, these niggas are going to come to the planet anyway the the viltrumites were coming to the that was omni-man's fucking job that's what he was here for like if there was nobody to defend to earth like the whole planet would just be for you.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[52:50] Lucky Omni-Man had a change of heart like or it could have been worse you know I'm saying even beforehand you know before even Mark was born Omni-Man could have just came and conquered that shit but he didn't you are actually I guess in hindsight, they're kind of better off, considering what's happened but yeah like yeah it could it could be worse it could have been worse.
Persia - Episode 111:
[53:14] But I mean, they already showed, in a way, they already showed what happens when there's no hero that can stop the villain. Like, when they did that future thing where he went and had to kill Immortal, like, there was nobody on the planet to stop Immortal. Or the Invincible War.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[53:33] All the Invincibles in the Invincible War, they were either people who either killed Omni-Man or work with him.
Wes - Episode 111:
[53:41] Or work with Omni-Man.
Matt - Episode 111:
[53:42] See, that's another point with Mark.
Wes - Episode 111:
[53:44] Mark is the outlier.
Matt - Episode 111:
[53:46] That's another big point about Mark that it's a good thing to keep in mind. It is like an actual thing. Every single other universe of Mark is evil. Every single one. So that's why this Mark is so conflicting because he is the good one. He is good at the end of the day. Spoiler alert. He's a good guy. But he does have that. He has that.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[54:09] Like he could be one bad day that shit.
Matt - Episode 111:
[54:12] Exactly.
Persia - Episode 111:
[54:13] Yeah. He's a, he's a, he's a, seeing his journey is actually fucking annoying though.
Matt - Episode 111:
[54:20] He's such a bitch. Yeah, no, yeah.
Persia - Episode 111:
[54:21] He's such a fucking crybaby pussy bitch, bro. Pussy punk bitch. He just nonstop is just like, until that end part. But I think it was a regret. I think it's a problem that you told Oliver he was right. Don't tell Oliver he's right.
Wes - Episode 111:
[54:37] Also, I've been looking that up.
Persia - Episode 111:
[54:38] What the fuck is wrong with you?
Wes - Episode 111:
[54:39] I've been looking up Oliver's particular story lately, and I'm so happy.
Persia - Episode 111:
[54:42] Yeah.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[54:42] Because he gets his.
Matt - Episode 111:
[54:44] Oh, you looked it up?
Anthonio Episode 111:
[54:45] Yeah.
Wes - Episode 111:
[54:46] I was just.
Matt - Episode 111:
[54:46] Yeah, yeah. He gets humbled.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[54:48] He gets humbled. If there's one person I don't fuck with in Invincible, it's probably Oliver.
Wes - Episode 111:
[54:53] Of course.
Persia - Episode 111:
[54:54] I will say, though, I liked seeing...
Nick - Episode 111:
[54:55] Not Rex.
Persia - Episode 111:
[54:56] I did like seeing...
Anthonio Episode 111:
[54:57] Robot.
Nick - Episode 111:
[54:57] Robot.
Persia - Episode 111:
[54:58] I did like seeing Oliver, like, how he didn't end up killing those bullies. Or, like, he... Like, so he does have... He does have sense in him. He's just an annoying little fucking kid.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[55:09] So you find out later on, he just doesn't connect to humans like that. And especially with how humans treat each other.
Persia - Episode 111:
[55:18] Being DeAndreus' son.
Matt - Episode 111:
[55:20] Because he actually has no human.
Wes - Episode 111:
[55:22] He marries a fucking bug.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[55:22] Bro.
Matt - Episode 111:
[55:23] Yeah.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[55:23] Spoiler alerts for Invincibles.
Matt - Episode 111:
[55:25] Is it like Omni-Man? That race of people?
Persia - Episode 111:
[55:27] Oh, he goes back there?
Anthonio Episode 111:
[55:29] Well, not back.
Persia - Episode 111:
[55:30] Go back where he came, bro. Trump kicked him out.
Wes - Episode 111:
[55:33] He can't connect to humans.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[55:37] So that's why he's like, they kill each other, so let them fucking kill them. Whatever, let's kill them.
Persia - Episode 111:
[55:39] No, I mean, but...
Nick - Episode 111:
[55:44] Real silence right there, but what?
Wes - Episode 111:
[55:47] For a child.
Matt - Episode 111:
[55:48] He's an annoying child. He's the kind of child that pisses you off.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[55:50] And you can't fight. None of you niggas can fight.
Matt - Episode 111:
[55:54] Nope.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[55:54] How do you just can't?
Matt - Episode 111:
[55:56] Because they never went through their training montages.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[55:58] Man.
Matt - Episode 111:
[55:58] Someone fucking teaches people some taipan. For real.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[56:01] Some taipan fucking karate. Karate. Because these niggas, you know why fucking Conquest beat your ass on Oblivion?
Matt - Episode 111:
[56:11] He knows how to fight.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[56:12] He knows how to fight.
Persia - Episode 111:
[56:13] But you know what you gotta do you gotta like you gotta consider though when it comes to these characters specifically like oliver and fucking uh oliver gunhole what's you can't what's my boy's name why am i why i'm forgetting his name mark mark oh god so you gotta think like they fall on a weird place in the spectrum of like super beings because they're stronger than everyone on Earth, but they're nowhere near as strong as a Viltrumite. Viltrumites are the strongest.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[56:47] They're not even the strongest Viltrumites.
Persia - Episode 111:
[56:49] But no, that's what I'm saying. Because of the adrenaline. They're both mixed. They're both mixed, and they weren't raised by Viltrumites.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[57:00] I can't wait to have Thragg coming in.
Persia - Episode 111:
[57:03] There's no one on the planet that can train them. And there's Like, if they go against a Viltrumite, a Viltrumite would kill them.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[57:13] Well, if he will fucking kiss and make up with Cecil, I'm sorry, Cecil would be lovely to help y'all ass train.
Persia - Episode 111:
[57:19] He did help him train.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[57:20] Yeah. Well, continue.
Persia - Episode 111:
[57:21] He can't get him to the level of a Viltrumite. Yeah. He can't do that.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[57:27] Or maybe if he would have joined Alan and go help stop this shit from the first. That's what, this is my problem. Let's just jump into that. This is my problem with Mark.
Matt - Episode 111:
[57:36] Wow.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[57:40] Mark needs some humble pie mark apple I'm a pecan person myself, mark needs some humble pie like someone you were thinking your ass beat all the fucking time that conquest was you know what I'm saying you were thinking your ass beat all the time you kind of like balance out a little bit but you know the end of that he was just like we're going to protect our family we're going to kill them, I can't stand Mark but I think worst main character since Bella from Twilight bro, yeah I said it and we lie because everything is since Omni-Man, fifth omni man came and did his thing mark has been on a weird path and i get you trying to be not like your dad but like you're really not being your daddy because your daddy is kind of smart and you're doing everything in your power to like you're making the situation easier for the way.
Matt - Episode 111:
[58:50] Overthinking it he's over.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[58:51] Yeah like you should have went with alan go stop this shit the earth has protectors you know what I'm saying? Anissa and Conquest wouldn't have brought their asses to earth if you weren't on it, but your bitch ass was on it, so then how many people in Power Plus', stance how many people have died simply because Mark won't step his pussy up, you know what I'm saying?
Matt - Episode 111:
[59:15] To be fair his reason of not going with Alan was he, now it's definitely misguided but he had the ego that he's like I'm the only strongest person on this earth, so if those people came here, I would be the only one that could stop them. And if they came here, now they did come there for Mark, but if Mark wasn't there, then they'd just send any random Viltrum Mike grunt to kill everybody on there.
Persia - Episode 111:
[59:37] But yeah, I mean, with Anissa, that would have been the time to go handle it off planet.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[59:43] Yeah.
Persia - Episode 111:
[59:43] Because Anissa gave you time.
Matt - Episode 111:
[59:46] Yeah.
Persia - Episode 111:
[59:46] Yeah.
Nick - Episode 111:
[59:47] Ah, Anissa.
Persia - Episode 111:
[59:48] She was fine as hell. She gave you time.
Nick - Episode 111:
[59:52] Wait till next season.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[59:53] We're not glorifying Nessa.
Matt - Episode 111:
[59:55] No, it takes a while. It's going to be a while.
Nick - Episode 111:
[59:57] We're never going to glorify her.
Persia - Episode 111:
[59:58] She gave him time, so that would have been the time to do it. Because you know that they're not coming back for a while. So you can go to them.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:00:08] Then Mark had to deal with Engstrom.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:00:09] Leave me.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:00:09] He just keeps getting. Every time he's like, I got a plan, something comes up.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:00:14] Angstrom would have probably left. If Invincible was off-planet, Engstrom is only going for Mark. If Mark was off planet, Angstrom probably would have left Earth alone.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:00:25] I don't know, because he would have been like, let me fuck some shit up for him to come, too.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:00:28] True.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:00:29] Because his invincible war would have happened regardless.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:00:32] I don't think it's a simple...
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:00:34] Yeah, we're speaking of hyperbole.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:00:36] And the comic has already wrote whatever. They're not making it.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:00:40] I got it in the room.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:00:41] But it's just...
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:00:42] I don't like, though, that multiple people just are dead but didn't die. like or like like how the fuck is conquest still alive this nigga's face was really open way worse his face is open like bro I mean how.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:01:02] Many times look at immortal he's immortal.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:01:06] Well he's at least his isn't his name but like.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:01:11] You like there's a fight that happens later on where you're like ooh these motherfuckers are dead yeah.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:01:16] You're like no way.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:01:17] But they're not.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:01:18] Is it Viltrumites?
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:01:19] Yes.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:01:20] Oh my fucking god.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:01:21] It's like a, they're like unkillable.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:01:22] But I think also what they said though that they did make a good point about like what Omni-Man said which was, he said like, There's only 50 purebred Viltrumites in the universe.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:01:36] Viltrumite blood makes a big difference when you're purebred. Pure Viltrumite blood.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:01:40] Mark only has the boost because he, for some reason, Viltrumites don't have adrenaline glands.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:01:47] So when Mark gets angry.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:01:49] He gets that boost.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:01:50] That's why he overbred.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:01:50] From the human.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:01:51] Oh, you're fucking pissing me off! And then he'd be like, then he gets angry enough to fucking kill Cockwest.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:01:57] That's only because of adrenaline. For some reason, Viltrumites don't have adrenaline. That's weird.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:02:00] That is weird. They don't need it.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:02:01] I guess yeah they don't need it they are coke and human, steroids but yeah so cocaine and steroids yeah but like yeah mark if it I guess that's my I know I've been kind of ranting about this this the last couple months with invincible being out especially in the group chat but just like and I get this is like the the hero's journey for him this is his odyssey but bro it's just so it's it's so frustrating watching this character because you know all all superheroes go through this the black student spider-man bruce wayne yeah he you know when any other time you know i'm saying every day uh you know every motherfucker.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:02:43] Be fighting demons.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:02:44] Demons right you know sometimes superman even being his feelings about certain shit you know i'm saying so it's it's it's part of the hero's journey to have this dark spot and that it makes and they have that fine line between hero and villain i get it it's part of the hero's is part of comic books journey but for some reason.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:03:02] We're gonna be talking about another comic book after this.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:03:05] Okay i.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:03:06] Don't know if there is a hero yeah.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:03:07] Oh um the last lake yeah or the lake house thing but there's something about mark story and maybe it's the writer maybe whatever he was going through or whatever but it's it's really distasteful because it is jarring i think it's a distasteful it's jarring because the the right answer is.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:03:28] It kind of is shining me on it.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:03:31] That's just Robert Kirkman. You know what I'm saying?
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:03:32] He's like, no.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:03:34] Yeah.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:03:34] Like, okay, Cecil is like, I'm sorry, but I got to do what I got to do. Mark's like, fuck you.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:03:39] I'm never working with you again. You got to eat that shit, bro.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:03:44] Y'all got to come together.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:03:45] You know what I'm saying? He like drags it on too long.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:03:48] You drag it on too long.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:03:48] The world is fucking, you're in a post-apocalyptic world now.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:03:52] Yeah.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:03:52] They have it on the flip side where, because I say it all the time Mark is meant well at least how I take it is meant to be not a Marvel DC superhero he's not meant to make decisions that an actual hero would but I also thought about Immortal Immortal in the show is your cookie cutter hero yeah like we're the best we're always going to defend we're always going to do what's right we're supposed to be on the good side and every time gets his ass like destroyed every single time and it's like uh he's out of it and it's more to show we get married and in my eyes it's more to show not the heroes not the heroes and what they're going through what their thoughts are it's that the world that they're in because in all these superhero worlds like a batman or spider-man when shit's getting tough and they're like on their last leg and they're like you know what just perseverance and friendship will pull me through some shit through plot the power will make it like some shit with the plot will make it pull through while in invincible it's like even though on that determined fuck it's not gonna let it comes.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:05:00] Right in the middle.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:05:02] Right they're cleaning.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:05:03] It up that nigga's like.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:05:05] Stand for my arrival yo.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:05:08] Okay so real quick before we transition to the next thing i just wanted i just got to get this idea off because i thought about it if they were to make a live action they would need i feel like they would need to do something that makes the viltrumites look like something a little off about the village do you get what i'm saying mustaches no like not that's that more than the mustache.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:05:33] Like something that.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:05:36] Makes them look like human but not human because they have to be they have to look human enough for like them to be able to live on Earth, but they're aliens.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:05:46] What's happened?
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:05:48] Okay they're they're aliens so like they and and they can distinguish a human obviously from a viltrumite so like there's something there should be something a little off about them i think.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:05:59] They are making a live action they it's already can it's been confirmed for years they should hire what's the name.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:06:03] To play omni-man.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:06:05] You know how uh you know jk.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:06:07] Keep jk simmons i could.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:06:09] You know he's jack with a hairpiece i think he's a little too old though he.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:06:14] Might be a little too old have you.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:06:15] Seen him.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:06:16] Though he he's not oh he's jack He's not like chesticles or like superhero milk, but biceps. That nigga is armed out.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:06:23] No, I mean, Iron Man looked like he was like 50 something.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:06:26] Yeah, but JK, he looks older than that. Yeah, he looks really old.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:06:30] He's such a good actor.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:06:31] Regardless, though.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:06:31] Dude, get Superman. The old Superman. Like how in Twilight.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:06:36] Like in Twilight, they made them look superhuman.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:06:39] They looked a little weird.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:06:41] Not that part. But like, it was like the eyes for them.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:06:44] But yeah, like in our interview with the vampire, they all like all the vampires have very thick fingernails because or claws or they all have different glass eye colors or whatever so like while they can, something on earth just like they're something twinge like.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:07:02] Have no defects no wrinkles oh that could be yeah.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:07:05] Yeah but.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:07:06] Then how are you gonna know that they're how are you gonna know that they're 50 year old state troops.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:07:11] All white stand for my height even with the non-white ones they all have that fucking porn stash I don't understand it.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:07:21] But then Omni-Man grew a beard so they do that on purpose again they're all just state troopers.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:07:29] So what we don't realize what was the name of that movie with Jim Carrey we played the dude with schizophrenia me.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:07:37] Myself, and Irene so.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:07:38] What we don't realize is that uh, Viltrum was founded by a state trooper who was sent off planet in the early 1900s.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:07:52] With some crack and steroids.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:07:53] With some crack and steroids. And all that they did, all they did, he just started procreating with whatever was there. So they just all grow mustaches. And also, he lost his Oakleys on the way there.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:08:07] His poor mom, Mark's mom also.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:08:09] She be going through it.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:08:10] Bro. She be going through it.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:08:11] And even like, Mark even.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:08:14] Like Mark even be a better son.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:08:16] It's nice for her though because there's literally nothing you can do in this situation.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:08:21] You can't help her.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:08:21] You can't say that. Yeah. All she can do is give guidance.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:08:26] It's so like she's doing her best and that's probably the only character I kind of feel bad for in this entire show is as a person who's close to his mom like sometimes.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:08:38] Just listen to her.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:08:39] Just listen to your mama. Sometimes I know you get grown and you want to feel your oats and like yeah sometimes our mamas be on some bullshit and be like you know too mothering too what da da da but like, in some instances you need to listen to your mama when you get grown and I think Oliver and Mark need to listen to her more they.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:09:00] Need to listen to somebody.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:09:02] This is a situation no daddy in the home literally low.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:09:07] Key bro cause when you think about it literally like bro even fucking the greatest anything have coaches.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:09:14] That they listen to. They have no mentor.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:09:17] Your coach can't do even... They can't do a molecule of what he is doing.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:09:22] And while I don't want Omni-Man to come back or whatever, because it's going to take a lot from the story. When Omni-Man comes back, it's going to be this big grandiose shit. But I think they need a fucking mentor to...
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:09:34] It couldn't be Omni-Man.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:09:36] It couldn't be, yeah.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:09:37] It has to be somebody level-headed. Even Cecil would be better than Omni-Man.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:09:41] Eve kind of keeps him on track.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:09:42] What?
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:09:43] But Eve's giving up the pussy. So, like...
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:09:47] Giving up that Adam, Eve. She's splitting the Adam on that thing. Oh, my God. She's giving him that atomic bomb, you feel?
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:10:00] There was no need to sexualize her. like the first episode was the first part when she went all pink phoenix I get it and then the second scene when she was naked the first time I'm like okay I get it she reconstructed how.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:10:14] Do you do it because girls are usually naked when they give up that Adam Eve.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:10:20] When they make that nuke why are you talking please stop, you're still going no thank you stop it, ew anyway so but anyway we gotta fucking move on the second time i was like okay guys nice you think it's crippled yeah speaking of coochie this.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:10:43] Is that's not even how you transition speaking of coochie go ahead go ahead nice.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:10:48] House on the lake.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:10:51] That shit.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:10:52] Is fucking crazy gas.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:10:54] Yes there is that bro it's hype as fuck sorry antonio.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:10:57] Spoilers is going to be a lot.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:10:58] I've actually spoiled myself. I googled in Wikipedia.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:11:01] Oh, okay.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:11:04] I know enough. I've still got to read it.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:11:06] But I have a lot of thoughts and feelings. Before we get to you.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:11:11] Pause. How is the live going?
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:11:14] Well, We got one.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:11:17] Person right now. Okay.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:11:19] What up?
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:11:20] Hey, person.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:11:21] It's my dad. Just kidding. My dad's asleep. No, no. Okay. So I got a lot of thoughts and feelings that I have had inside of me.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:11:29] We're talking about finishing the first one.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:11:30] So we're talking about Nice House on the Lake and Nice House by the Sea right now because pretty much everyone's caught up. Issue six is out right now for Nice House by the Sea. um and um in the issue six we see nora teaming up with max do.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:11:48] A quick recap.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:11:48] On uh so two.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:11:50] Episodes ago on.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:11:51] We don't know we don't know if she's teaming up it she and max invited nora to team up right.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:11:57] Exactly yeah and she agreed at the end and um but we don't know what her play is and she's a very confusing character because she's all she is is a ball of anger throughout this entire, throughout this entire Nora.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:12:11] All of anger. Which one's Nora?
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:12:12] Nora's the transgender character.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:12:15] What was her status?
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:12:16] She was the writer. She was the writer.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:12:19] Okay.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:12:20] She didn't wrote shit. The whole thing.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:12:21] Yeah, but Matt pointed that out. Oliver pointed that out. Oliver was like, Reggie has a reason to be here. You don't. You have no reason. That's going to be kind of going into my whole thing here because when we start off with Nice House in the Lake, every issue starts off in the present time. where everything's on fire clearly they're at war with somebody they're all injured this that and the other and we're kind of leading up to that now with nice house by the sea and in nice house by the lake or nice house on the lake walter's character is kind of not great like you understand him to a point because he picked the 10 people he loved the most to save and like anyone would do that, but they didn't get to bring their loved ones. So you have to realize they're the most important people to you, but you're not the most important person to them. And they have to live.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:13:15] He can't stand that.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:13:16] He cannot stand that. But the problem is, like, Walter and Max are aliens, and they were given human emotion, and they both did what they did with that.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:13:26] This both sounds like Eternals also.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:13:27] But Walter.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:13:28] Yeah.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:13:29] But Walter can't really. In my opinion, Walter sucks at controlling human emotions. Oh, 100%. Terrible.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:13:35] He's just falling into it.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:13:36] Max doesn't entertain it.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:13:37] Max is like, Max is the one in the sea.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:13:40] Right?
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:13:40] Max is handling it like a person with autism would handle it.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:13:45] Yeah. Max is handling it exactly how she was supposed to handle it.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:13:48] Okay.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:13:48] But I think that's where Walter wins, in my opinion.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:13:53] Yeah.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:13:53] Because as I'm reading it, and as we read-
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:13:56] It's a competition? Or it's just- It's not. Oh.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:13:58] No, it is. It's a competition, but where it goes, it's like, nobody said that.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:14:04] Well, yeah. So it is a competition. but look it is it is technically competition because the alien picks their 10 people who they think are the greatest in that field and then those people have to create a life in this kind of hexagon area and then after a couple hundred years or so they say the leader of the aliens come by and they see who has done the best job wow and then that group of humans get to live forever.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:14:32] And real quick Walt and Max did talk about that when they were with Nora.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:14:37] Because Max.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:14:38] Was like I don't see it in Nora like what are you talking about.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:14:41] And Walter.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:14:41] Was like you have to experience it I'm telling you you get to know her and you
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:14:46] are going to understand why I think she is one of the people.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:14:49] That exactly wired so like Max picked everybody based off of literal results results yeah but all of them are people shitty yes they're exactly that's my point because when no matter what happened with nice house by the lake or nice house on the lake, When they all found out about like terrible news or something like that, they were unfair to each other, but they weren't like diabolical.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:15:13] They're flawed.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:15:14] They're going based off emotions.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:15:15] Right. They're flawed.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:15:16] Like what humans are.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:15:17] They're flawed.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:15:17] Exactly.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:15:18] But it seems like.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:15:19] But they're more open to understanding.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:15:20] When we're on C, they were.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:15:24] They're malicious.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:15:25] Yeah.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:15:25] Because they tortured all of them.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:15:27] This sounds terrible.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:15:28] They removed his arms and legs and like his mouth. And like they tortured this man. Fucked up. Which none of them needed to do that.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:15:35] No.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:15:35] But they instantly like like like that's why i was that's the point that i was making earlier they instantly and the second they found out that there were other people they were like we gotta kill them yeah well they gotta die yep that was their first well we we're supposed to be the only people so they gotta die and then they're like thinking about how they're gonna hide it from max max already knows right like like and.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:15:59] Then the other people uh by the lake yeah they were like maybe we could all come together they're like wouldn't it be.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:16:05] Nice to talk to other people yeah right.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:16:07] And it was like heartwarming i was like oh no.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:16:09] So so what oh no what i'm getting from it yeah which is bad news which is like what i'm getting from it though is that like, maybe they didn't what they meant by exceptional wasn't like what like an exceptional what the exceptional human being like you know like an exceptional person not an exceptional like artist yes or an exceptional whatever the fuck because to be to be fair like when you think about it all of the people that they've all of these people that your skill has no value if there's no people around yeah like if you're an actor but there's no one to watch you act then who gives a fuck or like you're like like when you if.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:16:53] You compare what you can do right now is compare each person from each group.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:17:00] With their counterpart yeah because.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:17:01] Like the actor is the comedian yes now how are those two people personality wise.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:17:07] The comedian is like funny and he's like joking with the group like he tries to make the people in the group laugh like the the, For the actor, for Oliver or whatever, it's like the ego of knowing what you've accomplished. He doesn't do anything for the group. None of them do anything for the group. Exactly. They are all just existing in one place.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:17:30] They do.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:17:31] Versus in the other house, the lake house, they are interacting.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:17:36] It's a more of a community.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:17:38] There's a familial bond.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:17:39] That's why I think Walter made the right choice on his journey through this while Max made the calculated choice.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:17:48] But you also got to think like, I mean, we won't see it till we get down the line, but like, what is the goal? What would be the purpose of just having 10 strangers living alone?
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:17:58] Max makes an interesting point that I've been thinking about where she was saying, Walter, look at the people that you've selected. or she was talking to Nora or Walter but saying the people you selected they are familiar with each other, they know each other so they have emotions, but them being all stuck on here, their immediate thing is for survival and figure out what's going on and they're regressing they're starting to go crazy, they're starting to get cooked up in this place, while the other people since they don't know each other, Max said that they're challenging each other every day so they're learning, so they're progressing they're actually going up So it's another way of looking at... Is the leaders looking at what kind of humans can progress society or is it what kind of humans, at least from Maxson and Walter's perspective, or what kind of humans would give you the most like life, like actually give you life because the house, they're all living together in one house. There's a connection. There's emotions. There's familiarity. The other side, they're all, they all have their own house.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:19:04] They're all separated.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:19:05] Yeah. they don't give a shit about being together and when they do interact with each other like max said they challenge each other they're more like so why do you think that and why are you going about it like that and i trust your skills so i know you could do this i don't know you personally though i don't know your emotions and even when they were torturing the oliver guy some of them were like this is kind of fucked up but i get it and i and i trust you because you're good at this kind of thing so go on while on the other if it was by the lake when there was a dog they were all conflicting like how is this gonna like affect us is this even real like they think more differently when.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:19:38] Ryan accidentally got naya killed.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:19:40] Yeah yeah that's a big one i'm sure that if that happened with the people by the sea they'll probably be like all right kill this person that they killed that person read both of them too.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:19:49] Wes have you read both of them too.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:19:51] Just okay yeah yeah get in here.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:19:57] They killed the most useful person the.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:19:59] Doctor oh yeah the.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:20:00] Doctor and the most level-headed but To be fair.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:20:02] They don't need a doctor. So they don't, there's no reason that they would need a doctor.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:20:07] But then that goes back to what makes the person exceptional.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:20:10] Right. Because she was, in all fairness, she was the most level-headed of them all.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:20:15] Yeah. And I mean, they technically did need a doctor when fucking Ryan took away their ability to fucking be invincible.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:20:24] But that was temporary. And the way that that happened was like, the way that that happened, she wouldn't... It happened in the way that it happened, but like she wouldn't have known that that was going to happen anyway.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:20:39] No. And yeah, but that's the whole point of that situation is human emotion takes over when that does happen. And all fairness, actually, Wes might not be wrong because in that moment she was useless because everybody's immortal. But now we have two hexagons going at it with each other and they can all both the controls are for anyone to take.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:20:58] Yep.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:20:59] And they can turn off each other's immortality.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:21:01] They can't reach each other's controls. Like in the, in the, in the sea by the, the sea house, the guy has a, has the controls in the lake house. There was a portal to get to the control.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:21:15] I'm sure they can get correct me.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:21:16] If I'm wrong. I think in issue six or five of by the sea, um, the people, the Max's people did say, or it was either reg where they did say they had control of like, either they were theorizing it, but they mentioned doing, using their control. controls on the other people and i don't know if that was a confirmed i'd have to remember i.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:21:38] Don't think reg was talking about how to use the statues to get back to the like to open the door yeah no it was like.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:21:46] It was nice house by the sea people who are like we can they use the storm.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:21:50] That was oh yeah he was saying use.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:21:53] A storm to make their place the storm and then it did happen okay.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:21:56] Yeah they were saying use the storm yeah they were like, that's what they were they were talking about but they were saying both of them said that they said the storm is the key to opening the door and so but like they can't control the other ones that they they pointed that out max gave them the max gave hector the controls like she but i'm saying like if hector.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:22:20] Like if you somehow take out hector or you know somehow you know sideline him sidewind him and you get the controls you now control everyone in that area.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:22:33] You would think but they might not let that happen so like max might not.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:22:37] Let that but what i'm saying is it is a possibility in realms.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:22:41] So then.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:22:42] Losing naya their doctor when they have the ability to lose their immortality if these super smart fucks get in there like oh here's their control room fuck this shit up.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:22:51] I mean even still just kill them from the control even if even still if you're talking about someone being a doctor they have to rely on the people that put them in the situation for her to be able to be a doctor like she would have to request the tools that she would need to remember the final.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:23:08] Two panels of issue six where max is like our you were gonna have to fuck up your people like that's what max told norah was like if we want to solve this then we're i can't remember her words but she was like yeah we're gonna have to mess up every make everything crumble that you guys were building but.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:23:22] Why though why is it a competition why are they making it.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:23:25] They have bosses and like so for so from what we've already seen max is probably in the wrong for what she's doing walter was definitely wrong for what he's doing like they never there was no point where they said that's not part of the experiment like as far as we know the experiment was to for to see these let's get people together and see yeah if we can get them what max said was that like Eventually He, like there's multiple groups and then eventually they're going to pick who's the best and kill all the rest if what max said was that now that's going to be sped up because now they know about you so like now that they're now they're going to come like whatever but walter also hinted before that like uh if anything erroneous happens then our our masters will come and then they will fucking wrap this shit up okay like so we don't even know if what max is saying is even in bounds like there was no indication that this was what was supposed to happen like as far as we know they opened that door by accident yeah it was it was like
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:24:36] it was an accident from them turning the storm up so much on the other side this.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:24:41] Would be so good as a live action it.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:24:43] Really really would It's so easy to do it.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:24:46] I haven't even read it. This is just what y'all told me and what I read going through the synopsis the last couple days.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:24:54] Man, this would be such a fucking show.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:24:57] What's wrong, baby?
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:24:57] Even on that level...
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:25:00] What's wrong?
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:25:02] I heard it was at 100%.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:25:05] Dying what the fuck yeah.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:25:06] One of those batteries is i think uh fucked.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:25:09] But even even like to that point too though like as i was watching this i'm like i was like there's no way that there's only two groups oh yeah not two no like yeah like i think that they surveyed the entire world and they picked 10 people from wisconsin and those are the best like the entire no there's no one from tokyo no one from shanghai no one from brazil like like no africans at all that's why this.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:25:39] Thing could go on for a very long time.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:25:40] Yeah this is a story that.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:25:42] Feels like it's just starting.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:25:43] But i feel like so that's that's another aspect when you're thinking about like what exceptional means like it's not exceptional for you to immediately go to we have to kill this other thing that's the weakest level of human interaction like the lowest level of human Yeah.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:26:01] That survival of the feminist mentality has been proven.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:26:04] Not even just that, but like, like this, like you easily feel threatened.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:26:10] And all the back to go to your bestial instincts and like kill.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:26:14] Yeah, because like what the guy said, I don't remember, I think he's a philosopher or something. Like the guy, the old guy with the white hair, he was like, they must, if they're there, if they're also here, then that means there are equals or are betters. yeah that was their first thing didn't.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:26:33] Even think they're like worst.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:26:34] Instant interaction which is just trash you you also got to consider too though though like maybe there's a reason that max isn't, intervening like maybe there's a reason she didn't tell them that like she knows what's happening and didn't stop it at all you know so i.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:26:50] Think she's just interested in see how it plays out though.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:26:52] Maybe so because i like.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:26:54] We don't know what the repercussions are for the aliens whose group doesn't win. You know what I'm saying? Maybe they're just like.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:26:59] Ah, you said they die.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:27:01] Oh, the aliens die too?
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:27:02] Walter said they're going to kill. I don't know. Maybe it's just the circumstances of him picking wrong. But he said that they're going to kill him and the group.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:27:15] Because I also think, I don't think Walter was supposed to be involved. He was actively involved in all the decisions they were making. That's not part of it. He's not allowed to be involved in that. I think that's part of the problem too with him.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:27:29] Yeah, I get what you're saying.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:27:30] Because these humans are supposed to do it on their own.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:27:32] Oh yeah, that's a good point.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:27:33] And Walter's like, yeah guys, let's think of a plan. Maybe we put a fucking satellite on the house. Let's see. I'll be a dog for a bit. You know, wolf, wolf. While Max, I think Max does it the right way where Max comes by once a night. They have a meeting. She leaves. I don't even know. Does she attend those meetings?
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:27:53] Where the fuck does she go?
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:27:53] Yeah, she's like the main spokesperson because that's the meetings where they're like, can I get this? Can I do this?
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:27:59] Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're right. So, yeah. I don't think that... I don't think Nora's going to help Max.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:28:08] I don't think so. I don't think so, but that was very interesting. Max tried to bait Nora as well.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:28:13] By turning her into a biological woman.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:28:16] Oh, shit!
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:28:17] Because they can do that.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:28:19] They can change their bodies.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:28:20] And then, like Max said, You can have the body you always wanted that you deserve if you come with me.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:28:27] Yeah, she said forward, you can be the woman you've always wanted to be.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:28:30] Yeah. But the thing is, I think it was issue six, you see the hold Max has on Nora. Because, mind you, they met when they were kids. And yet, Nora would message, Max once every couple of years just... an update on life and just every time was like still into you still haven't gotten over you still haven't forgotten and like you think max doesn't know that you think that's not sitting in max's head yeah.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:29:01] I don't know if we said it max and nora used to be together.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:29:04] Yes i.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:29:05] Didn't know max knew.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:29:06] Max and walter because they came together so.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:29:10] Yeah nora is on walter's.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:29:12] Yes hexagon.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:29:13] So how How do they know Max?
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:29:17] Max was friends. Max and Walter did this together in a sense. They started out in the same town together.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:29:23] Okay.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:29:23] So they were all friends together. Nora, Reggie, Oliver, Max, and Walter were all kind of a little group in a sense. Walter dated Oliver. Max dated Nora when she was Norm.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:29:38] And um um actually the fred group was sam reg walter and nora okay yes and then max started to date nora and brought oliver around yes and walter was getting like this is some high school shit yeah.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:29:59] It was like so walter walter started to like oliver and max and nora started dating max and nora started dating because walter like revealed himself to to to norm at the time and norm kept freaking out every time he did that because he kept like doing it and then making him forget but so you know when you forget max was like fuck are you talking about like max max's whole point was like we are only 16 how the fuck do you know this is this person is exceptional like she's thinking of exceptional in terms of like results okay and he's saying like the what makes someone exceptional is like who they are as a person and so he's saying like this one is special like this one is blah blah blah and then uh he said something to max where basically max was just like oh fuck it like i'm let's have some fun so then like max started dating uh nor like whatever and then norm what in norm is norm is norah pre-transit yeah yeah okay so then yeah so which.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:31:00] Max knew something about that in a sense.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:31:02] She she she said at the end like when they were talking that she didn't think that nor norah had it in her to to make a change but she said like she said the ability the ability to the ability to change is like a human's greatest adaptation Their greatest attribute is that a person can change. And that's what she was impressed by, but she didn't think that Nora could do it. And then, so now she's impressed by Nora because she made the transition.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:31:36] And then the complete other opposite- perspective is with walter and oliver because um walter and oliver they never actually dated but they had a thing like it was like everybody said it like you guys had a thing but they never made it official i can't remember there was reasons for it but oliver was very knowledgeable about what walt was doing and not even like getting his memory erased like oliver knew the plans not to an extent of like everybody's gonna die but like that walt was planning something no.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:32:06] He knew everybody's gonna die too.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:32:07] Oh you're right yeah like meeting.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:32:10] Somebody at the bar he's like yeah you're gonna die go see your brother.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:32:13] And so um waltz um pretty much was saying we need exceptional humans and oliver liked waltz so much that he himself was like all right i have to reach that standards that waltz is giving me because i'm not there yet waltz was like yeah you're there but oliver to himself was like i'm not there so he left walter ghosted him did his own thing to become a really big great actor and then ends up being a part of max's group instead of walt's group and that's the plot point where i.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:32:41] Think that that's what i think in the end that's what it's going to end up being about i think it's going to be about like who you are as a person and not like these end results because oliver said group oliver said in an email like he was gonna send to max but he didn't send it i guess it was a draft but it was like like i don't think i'm like i would rather just die with everyone else like i don't think that i'm worthy of what you're saying and i know there are some other actors that would take take this opportunity at any second but like he doesn't feel good about himself and.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:33:11] He's the only one in max's group that's a first draft pick.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:33:14] Yeah because.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:33:15] When you're reading the first issue it says that through their like little bio it'll say first draft.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:33:20] Yeah yeah and.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:33:22] He's the only one who has a first draft.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:33:24] Yeah so well it's only because that.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:33:27] Walter loves him no this is Max's choice oh that was.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:33:31] Oliver and.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:33:33] Max doesn't give a fuck about anybody so.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:33:35] Like it's.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:33:36] Clearly it's bait it's purely all.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:33:38] Married you know talking about this right now um I want to hear what your whole thoughts and feelings where you were saying I kind of feel like Max maybe had a thing for Walt and is now like has Oliver as like a like a way to be like I don't think that at all.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:33:52] No, I don't think that. I think Max is just like, Max has human emotions like Walter does, but I think Max also understands that this is something that is not going to last. There is an end game to this. There's no point being attached.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:34:09] More calculated.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:34:10] Exactly.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:34:12] They have a job to do.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:34:13] Like her group, where Walter, his group represents him. This is more as though, the group they picked is more so who represents them as a whole where walter cares about these people so deeply that he wants to
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:34:29] protect them at all costs.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:34:30] But also he can't be there to do it you got to take into account too that like like the only i don't think that i don't think that max has a thing for anybody it's like i don't think walter walter feels these things because he leaned into the human emotions she leaned away from them like so she's like very calculated and like cold and shit like that and that was the whole point about like even with walter feeling like how he feels and like feeling all those deep emotions he's still what he is and he knew that, oliver they they pointed out that oliver had a had a hold on walter because oliver knew everything so he was watching.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:35:11] How walter was putting this all together so like he it said that oliver looked at walter how walter looked at everyone else yeah so like exactly so that's why he had that control over him but then with max max doesn't seem like she gives a fuck about anything and max probably is like we don't like as if if they had to get human emotions they probably don't have emotions so it's like what they do is probably out of like utility like a viltrumite yeah like yeah so that i mean every everything anytime that they introduce aliens into a story generally what they're talking about what the point that they make is that humans have emotions and like that allows you to form the human experience yeah the human experience is like different than what they can experience so like viltrumites don't give a fuck about anything that's why omni-man was so weird like that's why they were like was this worth it like they're clearly they're capable of it but it's like blocked off it's not how they're raised yeah it's not how they were it's not what they were race to do yeah so i think that at the end of the day like all of these people like you just showed like all of these people from the the the sea house are bad people like they're good they're good at what they do but they're bad people yeah and then like versus like this other one they're probably okay at what they do they're like they're good at what they do they get by like they're but they're good overall like they're good people maybe not even good-natured people but like They're good at the human experience.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:36:37] They care. They care a lot.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:36:38] My question is, I guess... what is the point so what why is the alien race making them.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:36:47] Have this we don't know okay what is the point that's still part of the doing this that's still part of the mystery yeah.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:36:54] We don't know because also like like obviously there has to be more samples than just the one that we're aware of like because you're telling you're literally that group is from one city in one.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:37:05] But walter said that country yeah said that he's like you're not the only ones.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:37:09] Yeah he which is like.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:37:10] Like so just but that leaves us up to like did max not tell no.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:37:16] She didn't like there's because they thought they were the only ones.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:37:18] Exactly yeah so but walter told his group and like the final issue of nice house on the lake he's like you have to succeed there are others and if they see that you're not fit they will get rid of you.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:37:32] But the problem with that is they he never articulated what the fuck that meant like what the fuck do you how do you succeed at something and don't know what you're supposed to be doing like.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:37:42] I but i maybe part of the problem though but because if you know it's too hard now but.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:37:48] Actually maybe like based off that this is just this idea just.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:37:55] Come to me.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:37:55] Survival is the the thing like how long can you last with 10 other people and not kill each other.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:38:03] I was about to say yeah the progression like do you create a happy society within that hexagon that seems like i would like to be here yeah you know what i'm saying while in in walter's case if they that was his whole thing in my opinion in nice house on the lake was he was trying to get them to that point to create a society where they were happy and thriving but unfortunately because they are so attached to their human emotions knowing everyone else on the outside is dead like they they feel that exactly yeah that's why he was trying so hard to get them back to where he knew they could be yeah and while max's group they were so detached from human civilization as you can tell because they don't give a shit about anyone who's dead yeah them building a society is not even in their mind in their mind is just going day by day doing things that they love and enjoy each.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:38:58] Person is an individual.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:38:59] Like they have.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:39:00] No point in connecting with each.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:39:02] Exactly while they like in at the lake they're like you guys want to have a movie night like let's do a karaoke night let's like maybe we should add this to the island let's add this that would be sweet they're you know what actually.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:39:15] Actually that's a good point because when you look at it.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:39:21] Thank you their.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:39:22] Connections like comparing the two their connections are very like, So I would say, like, when you're talking about an animal in general, like, your animal instincts are the lowest level. The thing that makes humans different from other animals is the step up, the emotions, the interconnected. But, like, when you think, so, like, so far with the lake house, they're all friends. They like each other. They talk. They enjoy things together.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:39:53] And they're not even, like, the best of friends.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:39:55] They're not even the best of friends. They're acquaintances. but like they enjoy things together whereas like so far from what we've seen in the sea house all that we've seen is sex violence and like.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:40:07] Arguing and.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:40:07] Like fighting like well ego sex violence and ego like literally like when oliver's introduced the first interaction he has with this dude is i think that we should have sex.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:40:18] Like eventually.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:40:20] I'm going to have sex with a man so why don't i try that now like like so like it's it's.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:40:26] Very one girl edited her body she yeah she changed her body to be like.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:40:30] A teenager she's like a 60 year old woman.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:40:31] Like so.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:40:32] It's so like it's very surface level things like the most basic of instinctual things.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:40:39] And like when you like when you guys brought up the fact that like their instinct was to kill everyone on the other island and that's the lowest level of thought but the other man but the other island was like we can probably build and grow together that was more of a progressive thought yeah it's like if there's other people they can also contribute and we can do even more while the people who are the progress like the the smartest were like we got to get rid of them we got to eliminate them we're the only ones that can live we're the only ones that can survive where it wasn't more of a like we can overcome
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:41:13] this obstacle it was more so we need to be the best in this obstacle so that we make it out.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:41:19] Right You know what's a really interesting thing that I just thought of is... Now, I know they're starting to prepare about what to do, about how Max's people are now starting to think how to kill Walt's people. Walt started off his people with an armory.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:41:37] He did. He did.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:41:38] Nobody even thought about it. Nobody even wanted it. He just started them off with it.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:41:41] Oh, yeah, that's true. And they used it to try and open up a house. Or shoot each other.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:41:46] I was about to say, they had fun shooting each other.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:41:48] They had so much fun shooting each other.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:41:51] Until they did. Until they did.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:41:52] Until they did. You are right about that one.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:41:54] And they haven't even brought up the armor yet, but I'm sure they probably didn't.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:41:56] No, but again, because they're going into this in a perspective that's different where they don't think they're going to need it. Yep. You know, they're being more optimistic and more growing.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:42:06] But somehow, some way, they're getting into that post-apocalyptic present.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:42:10] Because I don't think there's any convincing of the other side.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:42:13] Yeah.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:42:13] But what's also fascinating, which we can leave off on this unless anyone has anything else to say about it, But what's also fascinating is that that would mean that these people killed all the exceptional people.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:42:27] We don't know that yet because they're damaged. It looks like they're still trying to collect themselves in these flashbacks.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:42:35] I kind of think that other than Oliver. Oliver showed he was still in the prison.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:42:39] And he was perfectly fine.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:42:41] Yes.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:42:41] Yeah. But they think the lake house people think that it's their job to go save Oliver.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:42:48] Right.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:42:48] But did you also notice the lake house people are bandaged up, so they lose their ability to heal.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:42:54] But yeah, so yeah, but...
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:42:57] We need Nia.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:42:58] It's them.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:43:00] Need Nia.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:43:01] You can kind of use deductive reasoning to like, if they're like that, but they're still alive, then either... But, like, they're like that, but they're still alive. And it's, like, the post-apocalyptic, like, world thing. Like, everything's on fire. Everything's, like, whatever. Something happened.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:43:20] I was about to say, they're making it very obvious to keep that omitted to keep us thinking.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:43:24] Something happened.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:43:27] Oh, yeah.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:43:27] And the only thing that it could have happened against is the other people.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:43:33] Because another thing, like, a theory that I kind of have for that is the present is that all the hexagons, all that thing. the aliens leaders whatever or even just max and walter got rid of all the hexes and they're actually in the real world now like the burnt down just destroyed world yeah they're surviving that because i was about to say do you guys think that before what before if they have a little war or multiple wars before whatever happens to leave it up to the present do you think on the outside it actually is destroyed like maybe it's just they're feeding these memories okay i.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:44:06] Think it is real um.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:44:08] It's real.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:44:08] I think it is.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:44:10] Ha.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:44:12] What?
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:44:12] I can't help it.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:44:13] Well, from what I remember from Nice House on the Lake, the world wasn't blown up yet. In my mind, to me, it felt like they had stopped time. It was like probably. And they're right before it's about to happen, and they're in this hexagon. The real world time isn't moving forward. It's stopped. Because you can see like Twitter and all those things. They stopped at a certain point in time and they didn't go any longer.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:44:43] But that was because everyone died.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:44:46] But they weren't dead yet because Walt said they aren't actually dead. They have to think that they're dead.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:44:54] Yeah. Okay.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:44:55] Because if they know that.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:44:56] I thought someone asked him if that was real and he said yes.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:45:02] When I got through it all yesterday The, The actual apocalypse hadn't happened yet. He told them that it did so that they would start moving forward. If they thought their loved ones were already gone, then they would be able to move forward.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:45:26] I think Wes is correct because Reggie did say when they first met Reggie, Reggie was like, there's still a chance. We can still save everybody.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:45:34] He did say that.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:45:34] We just have to get out of here.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:45:35] Yeah, that's really true.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:45:36] So, yeah, I think Wes is right about that.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:45:39] Yeah, because I do remember him saying that.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:45:41] Because Walter can manipulate anything in that hexagon.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:45:44] No, I'm wondering if they have future. Like, maybe they're showing them the future.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:45:49] I don't think they have future in that. Okay.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:45:51] No, I'm just talking about the artist. He has the power.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:45:54] Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:45:54] He has the power of illusion.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:45:56] Yep, yep, yep. Okay.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:45:57] He's able to control everything.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:45:58] Well, not even of illusion. It's just to change reality that they're in.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:46:04] Scarlet Witch.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:46:06] In a way. Like, because, I mean, if you've seen, like, all the objects they get, they're just created by birds yeah which was weird adam.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:46:15] Eve she can't control time yet.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:46:18] Yeah it's an interesting.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:46:19] Situation it is he controls like the controls control the weather so before they knew about the controls he was just changing the weather daily to make it seem like yeah they're actual days i.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:46:31] Think the controls are for them i.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:46:33] Think he doesn't need them no yeah but i was saying like before they knew because the weather was changing and stuff like that that he was just going in there and changing the weather yeah and it's progressing like it's actual days but i don't think there's any actual time going by yet.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:46:47] Okay i see you.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:46:49] I see you wait um naya it was either naya or somebody that was looking at the stars said that when she was looking at the stars they weren't moving yeah yeah that's another one they're.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:46:59] Not on earth, They showed that at the end of Nice House.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:47:04] No, so I was thinking that. I don't know if that is an actual, like, they took them to another reality or if that was just more, like, symbolizing civilization.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:47:15] My theory is they're in the realm. Yeah.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:47:18] I agree with Wes.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:47:20] They were able to put together a reality for humans to understand the realm.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:47:25] It's an actual hex, like a whole board, like a ton or something.
Wes - Episode 111:
[1:47:29] Like a biodome type of thing.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:47:32] Yeah.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:47:32] Because they do have, there's a limit. There's a wall. It's not just endless.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:47:36] Exactly.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:47:37] Yeah. So they, I think I forgot about that because that happened right before he erased their memory and then removed Nora from the group.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:47:45] Yep.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:47:45] And then added his self in.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:47:47] Yeah. So it's.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:47:48] Yeah. That was fucking trippy, dude. Oh, that was so good. I love that part.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:47:51] So I don't, I don't, this is going to be fun to see where this shit goes.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:47:54] Very good.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:47:54] Like I said, I think we got six issues left for this one.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:47:57] Please go read it.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:47:57] I don't know if we're going to be getting another story after that. I don't know how this is going to end.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:48:02] Yeah.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:48:03] Live action movie.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:48:04] All right. Let's wrap it.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:48:05] No, live action show. We need a show.
Persia - Episode 111:
[1:48:06] Live action show.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:48:07] Yeah, show it. HBO, please. HBO, please.
Matt - Episode 111:
[1:48:10] Ooh, HBO.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:48:11] One last thing.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:48:12] There's a new show that's on Netflix right now called The Residents, and it's a murder mystery.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:48:16] Is it The Residents or Adolescents?
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:48:18] Residents. Okay. Residents, and it's a murder mystery.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:48:22] Oh, what did you say?
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:48:23] Netflix.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:48:24] He did say Netflix.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:48:25] Yeah. and it's about a murder mystery it's a Shonda Rhymes production Uzo Adubo's in it and it's like Knives Out watch it, it's fucking hilarious, it's fucking hilarious and my queen is in it and she's swearing a lot.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:48:41] I don't remember being in there.
Anthonio Episode 111:
[1:48:43] But alright.
Nick - Episode 111:
[1:48:43] Cool I said I don't remember being in there you're my queen? alright, Nick see you space cowboys later I'm white, don't do that.
