My kids would say that's all we ever eat was buckwheat and almond milk and all of this . And there were some others in London as well . There were people who were as my kids would say were weird . They were raw foodists , they were foragers as well , and they would this person in particular and she would eat daffodils and some other stuff as well , and they would this person in particular , and she would eat daffodils and some other stuff as well , and so but , we had yeah , well , crazy to them anyway but , maybe a little bit over the top for me also , but I hung out with them .
Speaker 1They were my new friends . The raw food group and I had raw food meetups at my house as well in London .
Speaker 2You're listening to the I Am Healing Strong podcast , a part of the Healing Strong organization , the number one network of holistic cancer support groups in the world . Each week we bring you stories of hope , real stories that will encourage you as you navigate your way on your own journey to health . Now here's your host stage four cancer thriver , jim Mann .
Speaker 3Today I get to speak to somebody with an accent , and that's always a plus for me . I just love the accents , even though I'm sure I have an accent to her . But that's okay , she has a lovely accent . We're talking to Catherine Scott . How are you doing , Catherine ?
Speaker 1Oh , I'm totally fine , Jim .
Speaker 3That's good . Do I have an accent to you ?
Speaker 1Of course you do , yes .
Speaker 3Yes .
Speaker 1My daughter came from England to here . First she went from England to Ireland that's where we were there for three years and then to here in America . Well , straight away she got an American accent .
Speaker 3Oh , no , I'm sorry .
Speaker 1Yeah , totally yes . And my two boys , they are still . One's got an English accent , the other's got an Irish accent . We're just a mixed breed .
Speaker 3Yeah , whenever I talk to somebody with an Irish accent or any kind of British accent or an Australian , and when I ask them I say now you all sound cool to those of us born in America , but do we sound kind of ridiculous to you ? And they always politely smile at me and they never really answer .
Speaker 1No , you sound great .
Speaker 3American accent is lovely really okay , good , hey , there you go . You're my favorite person with an accent . Now were you born in ireland ?
Speaker 1yes , I was in in the country , um , even away from a village , um , at the foot of a mountain , oh , facing the highest mountains in Ireland the McAuliffe , cuddy , reeks and behind the back of us was another mountain with an Irish name .
Speaker 3Sounds terrible .
Speaker 1And then the Atlantic Ocean . Right in the front as well , you have the Atlantic Ocean and the mountains , the highest mountains in Ireland .
Speaker 3Wow , how long did you live there ? How ?
Speaker 1long did you live there ? How long did I live there ? Until I was 17 or 18 . And then I moved to the city , to Dublin City where I worked and lived for nine years . I lived in Dublin for nine years .
Speaker 3What did you do there ?
Speaker 1I worked at . What did I do ? I did bookkeeping . Bookkeeping was my last job . That . I had there , but it wasn't computerized at that stage . So I was doing by hand bookkeeping .
Speaker 3Yes , and then you moved to London from there , right ?
Speaker 1Then I moved to London . Yes , I just wanted to get out of Dublin . I guess I had a little bit of adventure in me to move on and do something different .
Speaker 3Right and I love .
Speaker 1London and I work there as well in various different jobs . I think the last job I had was working for a county council in administration .
Speaker 3Oh , okay , yeah , that sounds like fun .
Speaker 1It wasn't my favorite job Okay .
Speaker 3So how long did you live in London ?
16 years . I'm 16 years in London , 16 years here in America as well .
Speaker 3So why did you move to from London ? You went to America , right ?
Speaker 1Yeah , my son , my oldest son moved to America and got married in America , and I think I've always wanted to move to America . But when I lived in London , actually , I moved back to Ireland for a short time after living 16 years there and moved back Mainly for the kids finding a good school for my two kids at the time , okay , and when we were there they actually did not like the schools .
Speaker 3Really and .
Speaker 1I didn't blame them because they were still the same old schools that I went to , where it was all academic work and the homework the size of the homework . When you got home you were still doing schoolwork at home as well .
Speaker 3Yes .
Speaker 1And it just wasn't fun . And my son the second son I had that was there . He got a little bit depressed with all that homework . He's more a sports guy . Yeah , we'll do a little bit of academic , but he just loves sport . So he moved to America as well because his dad was living here .
Speaker 3Okay .
Speaker 1And which is why we ended up in Utah .
Speaker 3Okay , all right , and you have like eight kids , right ?
Speaker 1Well , I no , I have three of my own , but the man I married had five .
Speaker 3Ah , yeah , that makes eight Wow . That makes eight Wow .
Speaker 1That makes eight . Yes , that's the thing that did me in Having eight kids in London . That was London .
Speaker 3Okay .
Speaker 1Kind of a small house in London .
Speaker 3Man , I've got four and that's a lot .
Speaker 1I know , I know , I know Even two . I'm looking after two grandkids here and they are a handful Four years and two years . Yeah , they're just it's difficult . It's great for learning patience , for sure .
Speaker 3Yes , that's a great lesson right there , if you can learn it yes , yes . Now tell me about now where were you when you got your diagnosis ? Where were you living then ?
Speaker 1I was in London and I was about three years , married at the time to this man with the five kids three or four years , and I was diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma . I had no clue what a Hodgkin's lymphoma was at all , but I sure found out fast enough what were your symptoms .
Speaker 1I was getting very tired . My two little ones were young and I was pushing them in a stroller . But I found it difficult to push that stroller and I thought I'm getting really tired . Iroller and I thought I'm getting really tired . I was quite young , I'm getting really tired and this caused me concern . And then there was some lumps on the side of my neck here and I thought I better get them checked up .
Speaker 3Right Were they sore .
Speaker 1They weren't sore , nothing . I wasn't feeling any other than being tired and having these lumps on my neck . I didn't feel another thing . I wasn't sick . I only got sick when they gave me chemotherapy .
Speaker 3Oh , yeah , okay . So you just went to a regular doctor to find out what's going on .
Speaker 1I went to a regular doctor . Yes , yes , I did , and he told me so . Then , right after that , I did not want to go for chemotherapy . So , I looked around for alternative treatments and I heard about the macrobiotic diet you're familiar with that one yes , yes yeah , where you're eating rice and sushi .
Speaker 1Well , not sushi , but seaweed and I forget now , but I soon got sick of that . I couldn't touch another rice or I forget what else they had . And then , um , there were some missionaries in Ireland . There was one missionary from Germany and he said his dad treats cancer patients .
Speaker 3Okay .
Speaker 1So I made trips to Germany to get treatment from this doctor in Germany , and I stayed there for a week or two weeks at a time . I honestly didn't know what he was doing . I guess I was gripped with fear so I had no idea . It was like he would take my blood and put it into something like a microwave . But it wasn't a microwave and it changed the chemistry of the blood .
Speaker 1And then he'd reinserted back into my arm again , but that's about as much as I know about it . It still didn't get me out from the grip of fear that I felt , and so I made a few trips there and my cancer wasn't getting any better . I call it cancer , but I know that they give names for different ailments , but I know it wasn't . I have no fear of what they call cancer to now . So I had a blessing from somebody from our church , lds , and he said tough treatment is needed . So I took that to be okay , I gotta have this chemotherapy thing and I didn't really like the thought of doing it . I had an aunt that died with from cancer , but she didn't die from the cancer , she died from the treatment . Right , that's the way I look at it , and so anyway I went for this chemotherapy . So I had nine months of treatment of this chemical onslaught I would call it , and honestly it nearly killed me because I just felt like death's door , so I just chose the end of that treatment .
Speaker 1I have friends who gave me a book . It was the Grape Diet . Okay , are you familiar with the Grape Diet ? South African lady .
Speaker 3Yeah , I talked to somebody a couple years ago on this podcast that did the Grape Diet . It's the first time I had heard about it .
Speaker 1Uh-huh .
Speaker 3I like grapes though .
Speaker 1I like grapes too . So I thought , okay , this lady cured herself with grapes and after that treatment I took to eating grapes . I eat grapes for five weeks constantly . I ordered two cases of grapes from London I think it was Smithfield Market or somewhere I can't remember but they were organic grapes and there were the green ones and the red ones , two varieties , and that's all I eat for five weeks because I was so fearful that the cancer would come back and so I was scared to eat anything else , I was scared to do anything . So I was in this grip of fear , you know , constant .
Speaker 1And anyway , another friend of mine recommended another book which was called the Wheatgrass Book , Familiar with that one .
Speaker 3Oh yeah .
Speaker 1Yeah , by Anne Wigmore , and when I read that one I thought that was the key to me actually thinking , gee , if I stick to this diet I will not fear getting sick again . That was the thing that took me out of the grip of fear . That book , the wheatgrass book . Just one ounce of that juice , it said in the book , was equivalent to two pounds of raw green vegetables .
Speaker 3Wow .
Speaker 1So I would drink two ounces of that every morning . I started to grow it myself in my home .
Speaker 1It was a stack of shelves in the kitchen and I got some trays I found it easy enough to grow . I'm not sure where I even got the seeds , the wheat grain seeds I think they were red winter hard grain . But anyway , I found the information , I got it and I started to grow it in my kitchen and I juiced that every morning . The taste wasn't great , but just the very smell of it . You know , I had to hold my nose just to drink it .
Speaker 1That was awful , but for my peace of mind and for my health and everything , I just religiously juice that every morning . I juice two ounces of it , which was equivalent to four pounds of green vegetables .
Speaker 3Why do you think that diet triggered you to not be fearful anymore ? What about that ?
Speaker 1I guess the very fact that wheat was mentioned and there was wheat in our I was a Latter-day Saint a Mormon and we have a book called the Doctrine and Covenants and there was a section in there , section 89 , and it said wheat for man , you know , corn for the ox and the animal . And I thought , okay , that's , if it says wheat , that must be really good .
Speaker 3Okay .
Speaker 1And so maybe that was the impetus for me to use the wheatgrass .
Speaker 3It just made sense to you .
Speaker 1Yes , it made sense , but also more than that , it was about raw living foods as well , and I thought that makes great sense . They're alive , they're living . It doesn't take much energy to digest a living food , and your body then can heal itself with the energy that it has to heal itself .
Speaker 3Yes .
Speaker 1And so that rang true to me , and that is why I stuck to growing the wheatgrass , maybe for 10 years I don't grow it now , but I grew it for I don't know until I came here to America , I think 16 years ago . I was growing it since 1996 until 2007 . And even when I came here , that was the first thing I looked for who is growing wheatgrass here , who is selling it , and I so happened to find a company right near me that was actually selling wheatgrass seeds . I can't remember where I grew it , but I found other things like alfalfa seeds and other sprouting seeds the company sold as well
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Speaker 3What did you eat beside that ? I mean after drinking that in the morning .
Speaker 1I tried to eat more raw . I was very big into raw . I was living in London . I found other people that were on a raw food diet . I listened to . People would come guests would come from america , like david wolf um are you familiar with david wolf ?
Speaker 1yes no , okay , david wolf came over . I went to hear him , paul nissen , um , and and some others as well . In fact , my first book I ever heard about raw food was called Raw Energy , but there wasn't too many raw recipes at the time , but that has flourished since then . There's an immense amount of raw recipe books now , so most of my diet was like I might grow buckwheat sprouts and have a buckwheat breakfast in the morning . I mean , my kids would say that's all we ever eat was buckwheat and almond milk and all of this . And there were some others . In London as well , there were people who were , as my kids would say , were weird .
Speaker 1You know , they were raw foodists , they were foragers as well , and they would this person in particular and she would eat daffodils and some other stuff as well . Crazy people . But we had yeah , well , crazy to them anyway , but maybe a little bit over the top for me also , but I hung out with them . They were my new friends , the raw food group and I had raw food meetups at my house as well in London .
Speaker 3Wow , yeah , I was going to ask you how your family responded to your new diet . Were they supportive , did they also do the same thing , or just kind of like watch you from a distance ?
Speaker 1Yeah , well , they actually were quite supportive really . They never made any comments . They never say , oh , you should have meat or you should have anything . They just trusted me , that what I was doing . They had a sense of , well , she knows what she's doing . They knew a little bit maybe of healthy eating themselves .
Speaker 3Right .
Speaker 1That they were always very supportive , and even to this very day . If we have get-togethers , they will always have a vegan alternative choice there as well .
Speaker 3Wow , okay .
Speaker 1And I have taught them as well , All of my sisters in Ireland . They would all have blenders and food processors and juicers . My son would have juicers and that would be from giving them information .
Speaker 3Right .
Speaker 1So they were supportive , very supportive . I didn't have any trouble with anybody , even when I went out to restaurants or anything . The only problem I would have would be from myself . I would be tempted by the food that was presented in front of me . That would be my only problem . I'd say in that respect yeah .
Speaker 3Yeah , that never really stops . I mean , it lessens a little , it never stops , yeah it never stops .
Speaker 1Honestly , now let lessens a little . It never stops .
Speaker 3Yeah , Never stops honestly yeah , now let me make sure I got the timeline right , like your cancer left after the chemo . I mean , did the chemo take care of that ? As far as the active cancer .
Speaker 1Yeah , I mean , that's what they would say , that the chemotherapy . Even to this day a family might say say well , didn't the chemotherapy kill you ? I would . It kind of annoys me , because that's the thing that nearly killed me yeah you know , then I had to to build my body back up again because of their destructive methods of healing which is it's usually the story that you know .
Speaker 3people think , well , the chemo took care of it and then they just go back to how they were eating or whatever before , and so obviously the cancer comes back with a revenge type of thing . But it sounds like you just changed everything or just ramped it up .
Speaker 1Yes , I did , I changed everything . Yes , and it excites me as well , you know to have this knowledge . It excites me as well , you know to have this knowledge . It's a knowledge of freedom as well , because most people are afraid of getting this cancer thing , and I'm just so glad that I know about not just about cancer but all other ailments as well that I'm now more knowledgeable about that than I was way back then . And so that's a blessing from God . I think it's a total blessing .
Speaker 3Yeah , and you were under a lot of stress in your younger years , right With eight kids . I imagine .
Speaker 1Yes , I think it was more the stress of the kids , Because when you have eight kids there's always a fight breaking out . Yes , I don't know , and so I'm there trying to put out the fights and I'm kind of a person . I think that likes a little bit of control , you know . I want to control things and that builds up a stress in the body as well . Yeah , so , anyway , I moved back to Ireland . Oh , my marriage ended .
Speaker 3Okay .
Speaker 1Yeah , my marriage ended around that time . I guess he didn't want to have any sick person around , I don't know . Anyway , I can't speak for him really , but it did end and I was left with the two kids . My oldest son had gone to America .
Speaker 3Okay .
Speaker 1We moved back to Ireland and in Ireland I started to grow the wheatgrass and I actually grew it . There was two organic markets in Ireland where I was living and I had a little stand there and I was selling the wheatgrass trays like full wheatgrass trays , and I was selling some juicers and sprouters and everything . I was in my element then . It was just so enjoyable to do that . People would come from all around because word got out there's a healer in town , you know , and so they would be buying these wheatgrass trays from me , wheatgrass like six or seven inches height in the grass , and they would grow that . And I was even in the grass and they would grow that . And I was even in the newspaper .
Speaker 1I saw myself one morning in a Sunday newspaper a picture of myself with a tray and it says don't stay off the grass .
Speaker 3Clever .
Speaker 1Yeah , it was a clever pun there . Clever , yeah , clever pun there . Yeah so anyway , I continued to grow the grass until I moved to America here and I continued to sell that grass in Ireland and just people got to know me .
Speaker 1I was in a few different newspapers there and then moving to America was a big change and the first thing when I came here and I went into the stores here , that was the first thing I thought . Nobody eats healthy here . They look awful , the colorful cans and just everything was psychedelic packaging . You know where there's the worst food , there's also the best , yeah .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 1You know where there's the worst of people , there's always the best as well .
Speaker 3America allows a lot of additives to their food that other countries have banned . Yeah , I don't know why , but you know , I don't call that freedom .
Speaker 1No , but it's like America started with the cupcakes and the McDonald's and all of that . Now that is in Ireland . Now , it wasn't actually back there . Oh , I'm sorry , but it's in Ireland and I went back maybe three or four years ago and I saw the cupcakes there . They never had cupcakes before . Not to say that they don't have bad food over there too . They do . They have their own sweet cakes , but cupcakes , you knew , the Americans have have got in there , you know , with their with their food .
Speaker 3We do what we can but america .
Speaker 1The best comes from america too . Like that first book that I ever read it was raw energy . There were two american ladies and david wolf is american , paulissen is American . I don't know if you know Paul Nissen . Anyway , he was another raw food guy , and there were some Russian ladies as well , actually , that were a great influence to me as well , and Dr Robert Morse , who's American as well , and he was great a naturopath .
Speaker 3Now here we are . What has it been ? 30 , 31 years or actually , I'm sorry , 29 years since your diagnosis , right ?
Speaker 1Yes , yeah .
Speaker 3And so how is your health now Perfect ?
Speaker 1I can't say it is perfect . I don't know , how do you get perfect as you get older ? I don't know . But I have energy . I'm still excited about life . I'm doing things . I'm getting out . I'm bike riding Not every day because the weather is too hot . I go to the gym and take care of two grandkids as well . That's not an easy task to do . So , yeah , my health is is fine , and I'm so thankful for that knowledge that I received back then , I still .
Speaker 1I I grow um alfalfa sprouts and I grow and I eat mostly raw , because I teach a class once a month anyway . So I have to come up with good raw recipes , appetizing , appealing recipes , to entice others to come in to eat more raw . And it's not just a carrot and a piece of celery , if you're thinking of raw food . There are lovely recipes and the recipe books have blossomed into thousands now .
Speaker 1There's no end to the amount of recipe books Online . There are so many people online that are raw foodists as well , so not like when I started out .
Yes , did you cross paths with Healing Strong , or did you find out about Healing Strong ? Or did you find out about Healing Strong , or do you even know about Healing Strong ?
Speaker 1No , I do . I was at the Health Expo or something that they had in Salt Lake .
Speaker 3Yeah , it's called Be Healthy . Utah Conference .
Speaker 1Oh Be Healthy Utah . And I met Colette Moser there .
Speaker 3Yeah , okay .
Speaker 1Do you know her ?
Speaker 3Yes , I know , colette , she's the person that's over this area here .
Speaker 1I think , yeah , okay , said you're already doing something like that , because in my home I teach a raffle class um once a month , and she said that's just like what we do . Uh , yeah , I thought that I could do that yeah , now that be healthy .
Speaker 3Utah conference that was just last year yeah , um , it was this year , wasn't ? It this year , just several months ago . Yeah , I remember , I remember I didn't go , obviously , but I remember hearing about that . I thought , man , I'd like to go there just because it's Utah .
Speaker 1I like Utah , yeah yeah , Utah is very clean , I think anyway .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 1It's pretty clean .
Speaker 3It's a beautiful state , yeah . So what did you think of the conference ? What did you take away from that ?
Speaker 1My takeaway , I guess , from that was Colette was one of the best . I can't remember anything else because I know most things . I've been around a long time . I'm familiar with just everything that's out there Not everything , but a lot of alternative treatments and stuff that's out there but I just like to go and socialize and meet up with people .
Speaker 3Yeah , you were networking with like-minded people basically .
Speaker 1Yes , yes , yeah .
Speaker 3That's always good , because sometimes people look at you strangely like , wow , what's wrong with you ?
Speaker 1Yeah , well , my passion is to help people if they're ill , to help people to change their diet and just to be around if they need me . I don't try to push it on them or anything . A friend of mine , a lady , called me the other day from England to know if I could help her friend . Just tell her what I did , and it's something like that that I really like to do for people .
Speaker 3Yeah , yeah , and of course , everybody's different . Everybody's body might need something else , but it's pretty much . The basics are the same .
Speaker 1Yes .
Speaker 3And another question I'd like to end with , because we're about to run out of time here . But if someone's listening and they just got that diagnosis , you know what that fear is like when you're thinking oh my gosh , I've got tagged with cancer , my life is about to be over . So what would you tell somebody to encourage them that maybe just got their diagnosis ?
Speaker 1It would be hard for me to tell them not to fear , because I don't think… .
Speaker 3It's natural , yeah .
Speaker 1Yes , that that would help them . I guess my one thing would be to change their diet and I would recommend some videos to go to as well , or to recommend some people online that have healed themselves from the very illnesses that they have . And now I see that cancer . This cancer is a blocked lymphatic system , a blocked drainage system , more than anything . So , no matter what ailment a person has got , it's the blocked . We call it the drainage system of the body . The blood is the feeding system to the cells . It's like blocked . We call it the drainage system of the body . The blood is the feeding system to the cells .
Speaker 3It's like a kitchen Right .
Speaker 1And then the bathroom of the kitchen of the house is the drainage . So every body or every animal , or even your car , has got a feeding system the petrol , the gas , and then there's the exhaust , um , the , the exhaust the drainage , and your body has a drainage system as well , and when that gets blocked up , like if your sewer system in your house gets blocked up , it causes problems all over yeah , toxic yeah , so with your drain , your your body's lymphatic drainage system .
Speaker 1If that gets blocked , you could get acne tumors , whatever , and doctors never mention that . And so if a person knows that information , they have nothing to fear Nothing . And it was Dr Robert Morse that gave me that information , you know , and , and it was dr robert morse that gave me that information , and that wasn't too long ago maybe six or seven years ago yeah , that I got .
Speaker 1That was the final information that I actually needed yeah so I I would say that to this person you know , to look into um the the body's lymphatic system , and and help with and go on fruits to cleanse that out . Fruit and green leafy vegetables maybe , or herbs , that would be my suggestion to them .
Speaker 3Yeah , the body's an amazing machine , isn't it ?
Speaker 1It's amazing , it's a healing . It heals itself . You feed it right and it will heal itself .
Speaker 3Yeah Well , Catherine , thank you so much . I've enjoyed listening to your accent and to your wisdom itself . Yeah Well , Catherine , thank you so much . I've enjoyed listening to your accent and to your wisdom and your knowledge and your story . It was amazing .
Speaker 1Thanks , Jim .
Speaker 3Yeah , I'm glad you are living healthy .
Speaker 1Well , I'm doing my best . It's not easy in a world like this , is it ?
Speaker 3No , it's not .
Speaker 1It smells all around . You know that's right Everywhere .
Speaker 3Yeah , all right . Well , hopefully we'll cross paths sometime .
Speaker 1Hopefully . Yes , you can come to the next Utah health fair or whatever . Okay yeah .
Speaker 3It's called . Where do I have it ? Oh Be Healthy Utah .
Speaker 1Conference . Oh Be Healthy , utah . Yeah .
Speaker 3Yeah , I'll probably see you there . Yeah , you've been listening . Probably see you there , yeah .
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