Up until surgery , I always said I thrived with cancer , I'm living with cancer . And now I like to say I've thrived through cancer and I'm living cancer free . Yeah , but my mindset is I am living an anti-cancer lifestyle .
Speaker 2Yes .
Speaker 1I'm never going to go back to the standard American diet .
Speaker 2Right , yes .
Speaker 1I mean like never say never in the words of Justin Bieber never say never . But I mean that is one thing that is definitely a absolute boundary in my life .
Speaker 3You're listening to the I am healing strong podcast , a part of the healing strong organization , the number one network of holistic cancer support groups in the world . Each week we bring you stories of hope , real stories that will encourage you as you navigate your way on your own journey to health . Now here's your host stage four cancer thriver , jim Mann .
Speaker 2Talking to Jenny Bradley and full disclosure . We just had a conversation before we got into this about the music industry . My little tail was wagging because I just I love the music industry and I kind of miss it now that I'm not in radio anymore , but I do come to Nashville a lot .
Speaker 1Yes , I'm going to keep my eyes open for you , yeah for sure .
Speaker 2Oh yeah yeah , the place will be buzzing when I come to town . Oh , he's back , jim's back . Yeah , well , tell us . I know you were diagnosed , but tell us , before all this , we just want to know a little bit more about you , what your background is . Were you eating healthy ? Were you an exercise nut ? Just give us a little background leading up to that .
Speaker 1Well , I would like to say I wish that I was a health , not an exercise , not before . No , I used to . Well , I say , you know , and this is true , that I lived off of Pop-Tarts and Cherry Coke during grad school .
Speaker 2Yes , I love Pop-Tarts .
Speaker 1Yes , not anymore , not anymore . But no , I have a background in theology and ministry and education , and so I was in ministry to students for basically almost 20 years and taught at the college level as well . And then , well , you know , we like to say BC and AD , right Like before cancer and after diagnosis . So before cancer life was different in the sense that I didn't know better , I didn't know better , and we were a happy , blissful couple . I was diagnosed in my 30s , so we were married for about three not quite three full years before I was diagnosed , and so now the majority of our marriage has been under the guise of knowing what it's like to live with cancer . But anyhow , we were , you know , just living the blissful life and enjoying life , being able to serve others and live in what our gifts and talents were .
Speaker 1And then AD after diagnosis , that kind of stuff slowed down , obviously , for me , because my main focus became what do I need to do on this healing journey ?
Speaker 1To put this you know to take , as our friend , your friend Chris Work would say , massive action .
Speaker 1Right , what do we need to do to take massive action ?
Speaker 1And so I thank goodness I had a very generous , kind leader at the church that I worked for at the time that I was diagnosed , that he said we are here to support you . If we really believe what the Bible says , we're going to support you , and so we want you to stay on staff , but we understand if you need to take time to go do your various therapies . So it made it so that I could still be with the students and that was , you know , really a big part of my like soul health right . So being able to be with the students and still have my creative outlets and the things that gave me life , and then doing so much of the at-home healing therapies and then going to a clinic for the IV vitamin C and just the various other therapies integrative , holistic therapies that I did that were at a clinic for the first couple of years during my story , and then , in about month 20 , after I was diagnosed , I had cryoablation , which I don't know if you know about cryoablation .
Speaker 2Not much .
Speaker 1It is where they freeze the tumor , so it's in my case it was liquid nitrogen . So they go in with a probe and they do a freeze cycle and a thaw , freeze , thaw , freeze , thaw , freeze , thaw , several minutes at a time , and it's the trauma to the cancer cells during those cycles that impacts the cells , and so that was kind of a stop gap measure for me . Um , and then my story goes on . I don't want to , I'll let you . I don't want , I don't want to share too much right at first .
Speaker 2Okay , Now was all that in Kansas .
Speaker 1I went across the country to California for cryoablation . Okay , so I'm very much a . We do what we have to do to get things done Right . And so there's no cryoablation offered in Kansas that's where I lived at the time and really cryoablation isn't offered in the majority of the United States and it is offered for certain types of cancer , but breast cancer , which is the type that I have , it is not fully approved for breast cancer . It is approved for , like cysts , but not tumors . So also in most cases at this point , cryoablation is self-pay . Nice , so again , it was very much a and and you can get a super bill and try to get it reimbursed by insurance . And some people are , um , have that blessing , that was not my case , but um , so , yeah , yeah , cryoablation . I always tell any women that I'm connecting with about breast cancer to look into it . It may or may not be a fit for your case , but in my case it was one of the major steps I took to be a stopgap .
Speaker 2Okay , let me back up a little here , just because I'm nosy . Yep , and I could do that because I'm the host , right ? That's right , that's right how did you and your husband mike meet ?
Speaker 1well , you will also appreciate this . We met backstage at christian conferences .
Speaker 1so he is an audio engineer and he would be on the production team that would get contracted to work alongside the team that I would get asked to come work and be like an artist liaison backstage in green room type of stuff . So I did that a few times a year . I would get asked to come out to some of the bigger events where they needed more help and so that , since I worked at a church full-time and in ministry full-time in those years , that was like my way of serving .
Speaker 1It was getting outside of what my day-to-day job was , and I went and served at Christian conferences at the time , so that's how we met .
Speaker 2Wow , again , I'm going to be even noosier . Which conference was this ?
Speaker 1Oh , there was lots of them there . Which conference was this ? Oh , there was lots of them . There was DCLA , which is Youth for Christ . Back in the day and there was Dare to Share .
Speaker 1And that's also a youth conference , and I mean all kinds of different ones , the National Hispanic Christian League . Oh yeah , on and on . We could go . I could list several . All right , that they did , yeah , yeah , but the ones that we really , oh well , youth specialties , the national youth workers convention . That's the one where he ended up coming over to me before the end of loadout and said can I , can I get your number ? That type I mean there's a bigger story , but that's the very short story is Is that how he sounded ? Well , he is . I do really like his voice . It's much deeper than what I can do . But , yeah , now he very much asked for my number during loadout of a National Youth Workers Conference . Oh , excellent , yeah , if you need to cut out this , that's fine .
Speaker 2Oh , no , I , excellent . Yeah , if you need to cut out this , that's fine . No , no , I'm going to lead with this Way to go . Mike , that's funny , it's being an audio guy . His name is Mike .
Speaker 1That's true .
Speaker 2I'm sure no one's ever said anything like that . Yeah , Okay , so like you get married the next week , right ?
Speaker 1We got married about two years later .
Speaker 2Okay , all right , the next week right we got married about two years later .
Speaker 1Okay , all right . Yeah , he was uh very called me the next day and we've been in contact ever since and right away , right away , he was very specific in his like pursuit of me . There was no question , right that he said I'm , I would like to come visit you and if , when I come visit you , I'm either going to leave as your boyfriend or I'm going to leave and we'll be friends that just like happen to see each other at conferences yeah , and he left as my boyfriend , you know , and then you know now we've been married for 10 years wow , yeah , he's always on the road right so .
Speaker 2So that's probably why he was looking for a wife to settle down with . Yes , that was a good story . Okay , we're moving on now . So , yeah , and you were saying just a couple years into , it is when you got your diagnosis right .
Speaker 1Yes . So I was actually misdiagnosed for two years and the doctor said you're too young for cancer Quote I'm not worried at all that this is cancer . And she thought it was just a fatty lipoma . And then that second year she said I'm going to go ahead and send you to a specialist just because they cut these out all the time , and you'll have a better aesthetic outcome . She said I could cut this out for you , but I'm going to go ahead and send you to a specialist just because I do it every day .
So then when I went to the specialist several months later because I wasn't seen as an emergent case , that doctor took one look at like before she even palpated me . She looked at me because my skin's always been involved with my tumor and she took one look and said I'm so sorry , I'm so sorry , I think this is cancer . And she took one look and said I'm so sorry , I'm so sorry , I think this is cancer . And she brought in an ultrasound and ultrasound in me and she said this does not look like a fatty lipoma , this very much looks like the signatures of a cancerous tumor . And then she said I would like to do a biopsy and it was in December and I said back to her you know , we're really close to the end of the deductible year and we have not met our deductible . Could we just start and could we do that in January ? And we all kind of talked about it in the room . My husband just happened to be with me because we thought that we were scheduling just a quick excision procedure . So he happened to be with me . We did not go in there at all thinking cancer was on the table , right , um , and in that case I honestly for me I think that was a blessing because I there was nothing about me that was riled up , right , um , we were just like doing the business . So , yeah , and we talked about it in the moment and she very much said now you've had this bump for a while , right , and you know , we , we talked through the timeline and she said it's not gonna like , there's nothing that's going to change about it in a few weeks . So , yes , if you want to come back in January , I'll do your biopsy then . And then , as we continue to talk , my husband , mike , and I just kind of went well , we're actually here now , let's just go ahead and take care of it . Like , let's just go ahead and do it and then we'll know what we need to do to move forward .
Speaker 1So we literally walked across the hall and she did the biopsy and then that was on a Tuesday . And then on that Thursday I got a call from her office that it was definitely a carcinoma but they needed to send it out for further pathology . And that was over Christmas weekend and so we told my family during our Christmas celebration , if you will I mean like we all open presents first but you know I wanted to tell people face to face . I did , but you know I wanted to tell people face to face . And then I did not have any of the pathology reports back until like more than it was basically more than a week lot of research right away , without anyone's opinions involved . At that point and in my mind and this is again where I go , thank you , lord , that you deposited this idea back , however many years ago .
Speaker 1At that point I was like I think that there is something about IV , vitamin C and cancer , I think that there is something about IV vitamin C and cancer and so I Googled it and there was a place called Reardon Clinic that was 10 minutes away from me and Reardon Clinic and , as they say , like the leaders in IV vitamin C research for cancer , and so , anyway , I was able to actually start getting into them before I ever had my first conventional oncology appointment , just because of how the timeline happened , from my pathology results and all that right so , um , it was a , and I learned about chris work right away .
Speaker 1I learned about um . I ordered the night of my biopsy . I ordered anti-cancer book David Servin Schreiber's book . I ordered radical remission that night and as soon as those came I started reading them , not even fully knowing what my pathology was , but knowing that there was something more out there for me and that , you know , I kind of have always taken the path of opening up my hands and going all right , Lord , like , what do you need me to be aware of for such a time as this ?
Speaker 2Yeah , Wow . So how did it hit you when you heard the diagnosis first that you had cancer ? You're like yeah , whatever .
Speaker 1I don't know that I was whatever , but I will say I wasn't . I have never , even after being diagnosed , I don't live in the fear of cancer and I think a lot of that is and again , I could talk to you about this Like we can share a similar language on this podcast . I think so much of it is having a greater like eternal perspective , and that doesn't mean that life isn't hard and it doesn't mean that there's not like . I mean like . Obviously you know cancer is a real struggle , isn't hard and it doesn't mean that there's not like .
Speaker 4I mean like obviously you know , cancer is a real struggle .
But I think , just from the moment that she , that that specialist , uttered I'm sorry , I think this could be cancer . I kind of go into two . My brain goes into two paths and one of those paths is the business mode of like , okay , what do we need to do to take care of the next step ? Like , what is the very next thing we need to do ? Okay , got it , okay , go , you know . And then the other path in my brain is okay and we have an eternal perspective that I have a Holy Spirit within me that is no child , and that I am guided by , you know , this higher power that can help me navigate things .
Speaker 1And whether that means that I make it beyond that first month of the diagnosis or not , I just had that type of perspective . And again , just to restate , like that doesn't mean that things aren't hard and that doesn't mean that there weren't some teary moments and hard conversations . And I also bought books on death and dying and I also , like , watched and listened to things about hospice . And , by the way , my mom died , um , when I was in my 20s and I walked through that process with her . Not , she didn't die from cancer . So I think there was a part of me as a young adult that was already like oh , this is what it's like to have somebody in my immediate family walk through the dying process Right . And so even in that sense it wasn't a completely foreign idea to me . If that makes sense , I'm saying yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , it does . Yeah , foreign idea to me . If that makes sense , I'm saying yeah , yeah , it does . Yeah , I mean I was . I was similar to that after the first shock because you know , of course I ate garbage too , but I also ate good stuff . I just ate a lot , so I ate good , and then I added a lot of supplemented with sugar , so it was , which is very that's what I would say .
Speaker 1I I overdosed on sugar .
Speaker 2Yes , yes , and so yeah , but after I got the first shock of that and the fact that it was stage four and they thought I'd live a month or two , that was a little bit too short . But after that initial week of craziness then yeah , I was there too , because I mean , it makes you face the fact that death is going to come eventually . Anyway .
Speaker 1Yes .
Speaker 2And of course , we're sure where we're going . After that I was like , yeah , I'm fine with it . It kind of made me it's like the rest of my I'm in my 60s now . I know it's hard to believe . You think I'm 30 . But I'm in my 30s for the second time .
Speaker 1There and I'm in my 30s for the second time .
Speaker 2There you go , there you go . And I always thought , man , how do you feel when you get older ? I mean , knowing that the end is coming soon , do you start freaking out ? And then , of course , I watched my parents . They went into their 90s and it never bothered them at all . They're like , hurry up , let's go . But I'm like , hey , I'm ready . I mean , I still have four kids and a wife and I don't necessarily want to leave them , but hey , they're going to catch up with me up there .
Speaker 1Sorry , yeah , I think that's the other aspect of it overall is like I had a will to live , I had a greater hope . I didn't have a reason to dig in and feel unhopeful .
Speaker 2Yeah , tell us exactly , okay , closely , like your protocol . How did , how did you change your life from that point on to the clinic ?
Speaker 1Of course , I was already gluten-free and vegetarian . I was not vegan , but I was vegetarian at the time and I was doing that for my gut health and for my thyroid health and but that didn't mean that didn't mean that I was really fully aware and understanding of ingredients . Right , so there is gluten-free bread , but that doesn't mean it's any better for you . Yeah , it just doesn't have the gluten , um , you know , as an example anyway . So after I was diagnosed , I learned a lot about nutrition . I have read over . When I say this stuff , I don't mean it to sound pompous , I don't mean it that way . I'm just sharing about , like , the path that I took and the personality that I am is that I'm a reader and I want to learn , like I'm a lifelong learner and there's a big , big , big part of me is like , if I can understand it , then that helps me with my why , that helps me with my what , like on those days that I'm so tired of making another smoothie or you know , like , whatever the thing is , I understand the greater why of why it makes a difference that I am more motivated to do it . So I've read over like 50 to 60 books on cancer and health and nutrition and whatnot and in those things , and then watching documentaries and the HEAL documentary was a big early on help in radical remission was kind of interspersed with that . You know , knowing it's like what you do with this podcast , right , it's like knowing other people's stories and the other people could thrive through this . That's what spurred me on through all these years really .
So I learned about what kinds of different things could help support my body . I learned about what kinds of different things could help support my body and I got you know in that into Reardon Clinic within basically two weeks of my diagnosis and was able to start on a protocol with them right away . So I did IVC , vitamin C three times a week for a long time and I guess I should back up a little bit Conventional oncology . In my particular case , with my particular pathology , chemo was not recommended , radiation was not recommended and literally the surgeon told me I will not operate on you for a minimum of six months . So I had this big on-ramp to do all kinds of stuff they could do the hormone receptor blockers , and at the time again , it was one of those things where I , you know , raised my palms up , as I like to say , and said Okay , lord , if this is something that is needed in my case at this time , let me see what I need to see about it . Good or bad , right .
Speaker 1And I along the way have said to the conventional oncology like there we my husband and I think of conventional oncology and integrative naturopathic oncology as a checks and balances . So we don't want one without the other necessarily . And with conventional oncology I have just said you know , could you please note in my patient record that you can prescribe that to me , but you're not going to submit it yet , like you're not going to electronically submit it to a pharmacy yet . I would like to go away and look on it a little bit more and have 24 hours to 48 hours to think about it . And it's not a no forever , it's a not yet . And so that's kind of in all of my conventional oncology appointments . We always kind of circle back around to those similar conversations . So there hasn't been a lot in conventional oncology that they can offer me in my case until surgery .
Speaker 1So I did a whole lot of things . I in my lifetime of cancer world I have done IV vitamin C , iv ozone , iv mistletoe mistletoe shots , hellebora shots . I have done coffee enemas , of course , all the nutrition like anti-cancer nutrition , and that to me that means gluten free , plant focused , very plant centered . And so this is my seventh or eighth year I'm not great at math , but somewhere in my seventh or eighth year of after diagnosis and so my diet ebbs and flows with what my like what's going on that quarter is . I have quarterly lab work done and so I just kind of go okay , what well , I should say not just me with my naturopathic oncologist , we kind of make a plan of like what is going on this quarter and what are things you're leading into that we need to support your body around . So I had cryoablation around month 20 , as I mentioned before , and then in spring of 2024 . So literally this just happened .
Speaker 1Basically , I have had major surgery , so I had a single mastectomy and then deep flap reconstruction and breast cancer reconstruction is typically not a one and done type of thing , and so I'm in my series . I like to say now I'm kind of in my messy middle of what all these surgeries are and how things are so like right now for my nutrition . My protocol is centered more around supporting my body recovering from surgery and preparing for my next surgery . So I need a lot more protein than I may have a year ago type of deal . So we just , like it ebbs and flows with what is important to my particular body in my particular case at the time , and how do we need to customize it for that end ? Yeah , and I'm trying to think like there's just so many other things . I mean infrared saunas , you know doing things to help my lymphatic system , yeah , all kinds of all kinds of things that I know I'm missing . Yes , yes .
Speaker 1So I have a little mini trampoline and I have a vibration plate also and you know , like dry brushing , any of those things , it just depends , right , Like I take the dry brush with me on trips and I'm not going to take a mini trampoline on a trip , but you know , it's just a matter of like getting on your toes , like bouncing up and down on your toes , even in a hotel room , or even , you know , at a gas station stop or whatever . So I think that's one thing is like there's always ways that we can support our body . Even if we're not at a clinic and even if we're not at our very own home , there's always something we can do to help ourselves .
Speaker 2Okay . So how do you right now you feel like you are obviously . I mean you say it's a process , obviously , but I mean you feel like you're in the clear , so to speak , or I like how you asked that question .
Speaker 1So one of the regular lab work that we do is the circulating tumor cell type of blood work and that has been showing that I don't have any circulating tumor cells . Yes , and they got clear margins in surgery and the surgeons like to say your kids are free . And the surgeons like to say your kids are free .
Speaker 1Nobody wants to do a scan right now , while I'm in the middle , like I literally have another surgery coming up before the end of this year . So everybody is kind of suggesting let's not do another scan until after that surgery because I'm in the middle of , like , heightened inflammation right now from surgery , world right . I'm in the middle of like heightened inflammation right now from surgery , world Right . So , uh , in my particular case they're not so worried that I need a cancer type of scan right now in the middle of my surgeries , but I will have one at the basically like towards the beginning of next year . But again , like , I've never lived in fear and I have other things , other like the other blood work , the other , my tumor to me was always palpable and visual and that doesn't mean that cancer can't be other places . I'm very aware of that but I have always in my case had a variety of means and checking it other than just scans right so I'm up until surgery .
Speaker 1I always said I thrived with cancer , I'm living with cancer , and now I like to say I've thrived through cancer and I'm living cancer free . Yeah , but my mindset is I am living an anti-cancer lifestyle .
Speaker 2Yes .
Speaker 1I'm never going to go back to the standard American diet .
Speaker 2Right , yes .
Speaker 1I mean like never say never in the words of Justin Bieber never say never . But I mean that is one thing that is definitely a absolute boundary in my life .
Speaker 2Yeah , has any of this changed Mike and the way he eats or does anything , or ?
Speaker 1Yes , great question . So he grew up in Colorado and was already juicing and stuff before I met him .
Speaker 2Okay .
Speaker 1So he was a big fan and a big helper in me , you know , juicing a lot and all that type of stuff and prepping vegetables and whatnot and prepping vegetables and whatnot . So kind of the same deal , like he's ebb and flow , like he'll help me make meals and he'll eat whatever I eat at home type of deal . Now when we go out to eat somewhere we're going to choose our own entrees and his is going to look different than mine . But we are both obviously much more aware of how nutrition impacts our bodies and how nutrition impacts how we feel . But we are two separate individuals that lead individual lives and for him , as somebody that goes on the road , he has a little bit less . There's oftentimes where he has less control of what is being served to him .
Speaker 1Oh , yeah , so he just tries to make wise choices in those moments . There's often times where he has less control of what is being served to him .
Speaker 2Oh yeah , so he just tries to make wise choices in those moments . Yeah , I've seen those meals backstage . That's right , they're very tasty but sometimes not that healthy . But it depends on the artist .
Speaker 1Sometimes they insist on doing something super healthy and we appreciate those artists .
Speaker 2Yeah , we do . Now did you hear about Healing Strong through Chris Wark you ?
Speaker 1know . I mean I would probably say there was some correlation in the beginning years of when I found out that . That's where I originally heard about it . But also I've been around Annie Appleseed , her complementary and alternative therapies for cancer conference , and there's been lovely , lovely people . It's such a lovely community there and there's been lovely , lovely people from healing strong that I've met through um the annie appleseed conference and um I've been aware of you , know your podcast and been aware of the different offerings that Healing Strong has had over the years . So probably originally the Chris Work days .
Speaker 2What you're saying is this podcast has changed your life .
Speaker 1Changed my life . Changing my life right now .
Speaker 2Yes , thanks for playing along .
Speaker 1Well , I am serious , though . I think there is . You know , as people who are in the healing strong world will know , there is a difference in a spiritually minded support group , yeah than other types of support groups , and this definitely fills a special need yeah , that's true , very true , very well put .
Speaker 2uh , where do you see things going from here ? Just kind of continue with , obviously , your routine of eating properly , vegetarian and checking the blood , doing all that stuff , I mean
yeah .
Speaker 1So even in the midst of like the quarterly blood work as a part of that , I come back to Kansas . I no longer live in Kansas , I live in Nashville , but I come back to Kansas to Reardon Clinic because that has been my healing home and my family is here , etc . And so I come here and I do again customized specific to where I am in my case at the time , some specific rounds of therapies here . So , like this week that I'm here at the time , some specific rounds of therapies here . So , like this week that I'm here , I'm doing several days in a row of I'll have IVC one day I'll have basically it's like a , it's MAH , it's a blood ozone , so they'll run ozone through my blood and put my blood back in me and more IVC , et cetera . So I'm doing a cycle of that here . This summer when I came , it was to do a cycle round of mistletoe therapy because I had come out of my surgery and so we were trying to support my immune system coming out of surgery . So we did a mistletoe not shots but IVs round then . And so I am pretty particular about coming back here to my , if you will , my healing home base and keeping up with some therapies .
Speaker 1But also , as probably many of your listeners will understand , I am years and years into this journey . I have not had metastasis yet , praise the Lord . And I don't want to say yet I don't mean like I'm expecting to have it , I don't mean it that way I haven't had metastasis , but I have lived with cancer for years and years and years , and so I've lived this . I've had over 400 IVs and all of these whatever things that I do right , um , and all of these whatever things that I do right . And so there comes a point where we understand that resources are limited and we understand that time and energy are limited and we understand that , like , my whole entire life doesn't need to be cancer or cancer focused , or cancer life , um , so , um . So I'm , I'm at a season , if you will , that I am .
Speaker 1My priorities are , yes , nutrition , anti-cancer nutrition and making sure I am checking in with what my healing home base is and the therapies that can support my body as much as possible . But that you know it used to be weekly in my intensive days and it's not weekly anymore , it's sometimes it's monthly . Right now , sometimes it's quarterly . And then , yeah , checking in with what are those core , basic things that we can do in our homes that help us support our bodies . And minds , you know , I mean , I think our mind and spirit are just as much a part of this . And minds , you know , I mean , I think our mind and spirit are just as much a part of this .
Speaker 1And so , like having an anti-cancer mindset and a hope filled , my mindset has always been God designed our bodies to heal yeah and so that's the mindset that I live in , even in my , like , hard surgery recovery days , because , man , these surgeries are so hard , you know , and I kind of I always kind of go , um well , okay . So I don't know that listeners are going to be able to see this , but I have marks on my um , on the top of my hand , where they drew my blood for my surgeries , and I go . That's just a reminder to me that my hand is healing over and that body was designed to heal , like even in any little things or like a bug bite . Oh , my bug bites are healing because my body is designed to heal , and if my body can do those little things , it can do the big things too . I just need to help give it those healthy inputs , you know .
Speaker 2That's a good point , because some people don't believe that our bodies can heal from cancer . But when you cut yourself , it doesn't stay cut for the rest of your life . I mean it heals without you really doing anything other than keeping it clean . So , yeah , it's pretty simple when you think about it . God knew what he was doing when he made it .
Speaker 1God knew what he was doing . Imagine that , yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , who knew that ?
Speaker 1Yeah , and can we also just say that God is the only one that knows our end date ?
Speaker 2Yes .
Speaker 1There's no doctor that knows our end date . There's no surgeon that knows our end date . There's no family member that knows our end date . There's no surgeon that knows our end date . There's no family member that knows our end date . You know , God is the only only one , and so I'm going to live every day to my fullest at this point .
Speaker 2Yes , you know , that's true . You know we could just be totally healed of cancer and go out and have a tree fall on us . It's totally up to Him , yep , or where we walk also . Well , Jenny , thank you so much for doing this , and I felt like I've met a new Nashville friend .
Speaker 3Next , time I'm in .
Speaker 2Nashville and you and Mike can get together and we'll get some coffee somewhere .
Speaker 1Thank you . I would love that I know the spots that have unsweetened like nut milks . So I'll let you know those ?
Speaker 2Yeah , I need that . I need that kind of thing .
Speaker 1And the ones that have , you know , the healthy organic matcha .
Speaker 2Ah , okay .
Speaker 1I do want to mention that , as a part of what cancer instigated in me , as a part of my learning was , I ended up doing a culinary nutrition program and I ended up also doing a cancer coaching program because I have felt like , if I am going to go through this , I want to use it for other people's benefits .
Speaker 1And so that's why I started my shrink the mutant website and that's why I started sharing . My instagram is shrink the mutant and that's why I started sharing on there years ago . Um is so that other people could see what these various holistic therapies are and that cancer is a word , not a sentence , and that you can thrive through cancer . So that's the mutant shrink the mutant Yep . So it's um . If I'm going to have cancer , I'm going to use it for good .
Speaker 2Excellent . Is that shrink the mutantcom or ?
Speaker 1it is shrink the mutantcom and shrink the mutant on Instagram . Yeah , and I named it shrink the mutant because cancer is our own mutated cells and I needed to work on shrinking the tumor .
Speaker 2Plus it's funny .
Speaker 1And it's funny All right ?
Speaker 2Well , thank you so much . I won't take up any more of your time because I know you're a busy woman .
Speaker 1I'm about to , I'm going to . After we get off this call , I'm actually going to the clinic to get my next therapy . No joke . Well , there you go .
Speaker 2Yep , all right . Well , you have , and I'll see you next time I'm in Nashville .
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