Lisa: I run, you know, six days a week. I lift weights. Um, I do HIT workouts. I do all kinds of workouts. I eat really healthy, so I was positive there was nothing wrong with me, so I wasn't even worried about the biopsy because in my head, people that have cancer are sick and I wasn't sick. Right. So I couldn't have a cancer diagnosis.

So I wasn't even worried. Yeah. So when the call came in and she said that I had cancer, I, I was like, wait, wait, what? 

Announcer: You're listening to the I Am Healing Strong Podcast, a part of the Healing Strong Organization, the number one network of holistic cancer support groups in the world. Each week, we bring you stories of hope, real stories that will encourage you as you navigate your way on your own journey to help.

Now, here's your host, Stage four Cancer Thriver, Jim Mann. 

Jim: Lisa Beck, all the way in a little town called Dallas, Texas. I've heard of it before. I drove through it, took me forever to get through there, but, uh, how you doing this morning? 

Lisa: Doing great. How are you doing, Jim? 

Jim: Great. I said this morning, but when we're recording this, it's late afternoon, isn't it?

Lisa: It is. 

Jim: Okay. Well, hopefully people are listening in the morning, so it'll make sense. We've tried doing this a couple times, but it just kinda, our schedules didn't quite gel up, but that means it's gonna be a really good story. 

Lisa: I think so. 

Jim: That's what I'm thinking. Did you grow up in Texas? 

Lisa: No, I grew up in Pennsylvania.

Jim: Oh, no way. I grew up in Maryland. We're like neighbors. 

Lisa: Oh, wow. Okay. 

Jim: Yeah. I was probably out of there before you were born, but as we saw the point. 

Lisa: I just turned 55 on April 9th, so. 

Jim: No way. You're a kid. 

Lisa: Thank you. 

Jim: I turned 55 at one time too. Just kept on going from there, but that's all right. That's all right.

What took you to Texas? 

Lisa: My job. Yeah. I moved here for work in 2007. 

Jim: Uh, you're like a construction worker? 

Lisa: No. Back then I was an EDI programmer, but now I'm a director of operations for a large insurance company. 

Jim: Oh, that sounds important. It sounds like something I would mess up. 

Lisa: I feel like I'm gonna mess up, but so far so good.

Jim: Oh, yeah. That's good. So do you have like a big family, a little family? You there by yourself? What's your, what's your background? 

Lisa: I have two sons and a husband. 

Jim: Oh. 

Lisa: I'm going on my 30-year wedding anniversary in October of this year, and I have a 26-year-old son and a 23-year-old son. We. 

Jim: He does too, huh?

That's weird how that matches up. Let's go. Do you like it there in Dallas? 

Lisa: It's okay. I, we took a, we took a 10-year detour in Florida, and I really liked it there. But we're kind of stuck here. Um, my younger son has some disabilities, and he has some services here in the state of Texas. My job allows me to work anywhere in the country that I want, but because of his services and we own our home, we're stuck here for a little bit.

Jim: Stuck here. Yeah. I know that feeling. We're, we live here because my wife's business, uh, she has an afterschool care of a, like 150 kids. And so we gotta be nearby. But I can do what I'm doing anywhere also, but ... So everything was great. You were living a good life all the way up until like, uh, what, three years ago, right?

Lisa: Yeah, it'll be three years ago on April 17th that I'm cancer free for three years. So it would actually be three years and a month ago that I got the diagnosis. I believe I got the diagnosis on a beautiful, sunny day. I believe it was like March 13th, 2023. I know that because that morning, I walk a couple miles every morning with my husband and the dogs, and that morning I posted a picture of the sunrise, and as soon as I got home from that walk, I got a call from the gynecologist with bad news.

So I remember the day like it was yesterday. So that's how long ago it was. 

Jim: Yeah, I remember mine too, because ... Well, first of all, it's kind of, uh, shocking, but, you know, I was at Disney World when I got my call. But man, you're ruined that one. 

Lisa: Yeah. Yeah. And the, and the funny thing is, like, I mean, it's always gonna be a shock, but, like, I had a biopsy, so most normal people would be a little worried, but I wasn't worried at all because, like, I feel so great.

You know, I, I, you know, my life before the diagnosis, I run, you know, six days a week. I lift weights. Um, I do hit workouts. I do all kinds of workouts. I eat really healthy, so I was positive there was nothing wrong with me, so I wasn't even worried about the biopsy because in my head, people that have cancer are sick, and I wasn't sick.

Right. So I couldn't have a cancer diagnosis. So I wasn't even worried. Yeah. So when the call came in and she said that I had cancer, I, I was like, wait, wait, what? Um, and then I proceeded to, like, literally, I ran around the house screaming. Like, that's what I did because- You 

Jim: weren't too happy about it, were you?

Lisa: No, no. I was, uh, completely devastated and shocked- Yeah. ... at the same time. Uh, um, it, I went through a lot of emotions. It was the hardest time of my life. It was horrible. Yeah. 

Jim: So did you, like ... I know I thought, oh my gosh, because they told me a month or two to live and I thought, wow, this is it. This is how I'm looking at the back door of my life right now.

This is how it's gonna end right before Christmas. Is that, like, the feeling you had, like, oh my goodness, I've been tagged? 

Lisa: I was really in shock and I was still a bit in denial. Um, there's a lot to tell. Uh, obviously, you know, a lot of symptoms preceded that diagnosis. Mm-hmm. I was really angry because, like, why did it take the gynecologist two years to do this exact biopsy?

Like, I was having, um ... I had gynecological cancer for those that don't know. Um, it was endometrial cancer, so it's inside the uterus. I was not in menopause at the time. I wasn't even close. Um, the doctor said I still had, like, many years, like, six or seven. I was, I think, 50 ... I'm 55 now. I think I was 51 at the time, and, um, I was still having, you know, somewhat normal menstrual cycles.

I mean, they were never normal. Since I was a child, or a young girl, I've always had problems with my menstrual cycle. I've always had cramping and pain and clots, and I was adopted also. Uh, okay. I bring that up because I just feel like I didn't have proper medical attention. Okay. My parents that adopted me had three other girls that were teenagers, and I remember just being, like, lying on the floor at high school in pain because of my menstrual cycle and just being told to tough it out, you know?

Born in the 70s, we're from a different era, we tough things out. Yeah. And so I never really ... You know, I had two kids, never really thought too much about this continual pain until, like, I was having periods, like, every three weeks, and I was so tired of all this blood, and I kept going to the doctor, and they're like, "Well, look at your age.

I think it's perimenopause, so we're gonna give you these pellets. We're gonna inject these pellets into your hip, and that'll fix your hormones." But that actually would feed a gynecological cancer, but they just kept telling me everything was normal and they did Pap smears. They were normal. They did a colposcopy, which is a biopsy of the cervix, and that was normal.

And so I just, you know, figured everything's normal. It's just part of being a woman. And then finally, like, two years into all this, these symptoms, she finally does what's called an endometrial biopsy, which is a biopsy of the uterus. She did it right there in her office the week before I got that diagnosis on the Monday, the Wednesday prior, she did this biopsy in her office.

She had me count backwards from 30. It wasn't ter- terribly painful and I didn't really give it a second thought. I just figured, well, they'll just, you know, tell me to take some medicine and that'll stop the symptoms or whatever. I wasn't even worried about it. Right. So then, you know, I got that call and she told me that.

And right away, uh, oncologists from all over Texas were calling me because I didn't jump on surgery right away and they were like, "Are you gonna get this cancer removed? Like, what are you gonna do? " And, um, so one of the first things I found was Nathan Crane, conquering Cancer the Missing Link, Nathan Crane.

Yes. And I listened to all these cancer patients talk about how they survived cancer and they didn't listen to the doctors. I'm not advocating, not listening to your doctors, but I think you have to go with God and your intuition, which is what I did. And I didn't jump right away on surgery. If you're a woman, they wanna, like, basically neuter you and take absolutely everything they can possibly take.

Uh, and I fought that pretty hard, but they did, um, end up taking more organs that I would've liked. Like, my ovaries were completely fine. They could've left those. My cervix was completely fine. They could've left that, but they take everything. They do what's called a radical hysterectomy. In any case, I put that off as long as I could.

Like, and literally, I was on the phone, like, with actual surgical oncologists wanting to take my organs. And I was like, "Hold up." So I got several opinions. The first place I went was Texas Oncology, and I was treated like a number. Like, it was so bad. And they were like, "Well, we're gonna schedule you for a radical hysterectomy next week, and we're gonna take all of these organs, including we're gonna take part of your stomach, we're gonna take the top part of your vagina."

And I was like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa. We're, we're not doing any of that. " So that's when I decided to wait a little bit and I ended up going to MD Anderson and the lady there said she'd leave my ovaries because she's like, "Well, there's nothing wrong with your ovaries. We'll leave them." And, uh, you know, she explained the procedure, so I agreed to have that procedure.

And then the day of surgery, after I'm all prepped and everything, she says, "Well, we're gonna take your ovaries." And I was like, "Whoa, you said I could keep them." Wow. And, um, anyhow, they took them and they took everything and, you know, with cancer, you don't know what stage it is until you have surgery. Right.

So, and, and in fact, you don't really know much about it until you have surgery. I knew that the histology they took was a grade one, which is the easiest cancer to have, but- 

Announcer: mm-hmm. ... 

Lisa: a biopsy is just a tiny, tiny, like a, a thousandths of a piece of the picture. So once they take that full organ, wherever it is, then they get a full picture.

A biopsy is a very small minuscule piece of the puzzle. So then normally the, the grade of the cancer will change. And so the grade did change, but where they misdiagnosed me, they told me I had this serous cancer, S-E-R-O-U-S, and, uh, it's funny where these names come from because hysterectomy, hysterical woman and serus means serious.

I don't know where these names come from, but it's kind of ironic. So they said, you know, you need to go have, uh, radiation and chemotherapy. And I was like, "Well, what if I just wanna have, like, there's this thing called brachiotherapy, which is a very small amount of radiation in a targeted area." And they said, "No, you can't do that.

You have to have 20 rounds of chemotherapy first." No, I'm sorry, six rounds of chemotherapy, and then you can do that. And I said, "Well, I don't wanna do that. " And they said, "Well, then we're not gonna do anything." So I ended up going to New York City, Memorial Sloan Kettering for a second opinion. 

Announcer: Uh-huh. 

Lisa: And they redid the pathology, but they also said, "Go get your chemotherapy and your radiation because this is an extremely aggressive histology.

In fact, today, they changed those NCCN guidelines that if you have this histology, it's an automatic stage three cancer, even though it hasn't left the point of origin because of the type of cancer." So, uh, it was very serious. And I ended up going to Tijuana and I had, um, low dose DMSO chemotherapy and I had dendritic cell therapy and macrophage therapy.

And then while I was in Tijuana, this doctor from Memorial Sloan Kettering called and said they had the biopsy results, you know, the, the redo of the pathology, and she said, "Well, we overturn one third of all diagnosis and you don't have SIRS, you have endometrioid, but it's a grade three, so it's an easy mistake to make, so that changes your treatment plan."

Jim: Wow. 

Lisa: Yeah. So then I sent their redo of the pathology back to MD Anderson. MD Anderson redid their pathology and concurred. So the final surgical recommendation ended up being can't come to a consensus. I mean, did I have some serous? I, I don't think I know, but I ended up having the genetic testing and I found out that I have the BRCA1 mutation.

So then they're bothering me to remove my breasts. 

Jim: Man, they wanna take you apart. 

Lisa: And I'm getting calls all the time to remove my breasts, which I'm not gonna do. They're healthy. So I do get MRIs every six months because I have that gene mutation. Yeah, so that's the beginning of my story. 

Jim: All these doctors that call you to do things, do they kn- know you or they just see you on a list or how's that happen?

Lisa: I think the doctors on the BRCA1 just see me on a list. And back when I was diagnosed with cancer, I don't know how they got my information. It was kind of a really stressful time. And I wasn't really asking, "Where did you get my number?" I, and maybe because I had gone to Texas Oncology and I declined surgery.

Right. So different practices were calling me. 

Jim: That's crazy. I mean, it's like we just did like a HELOC at our, at, for our house, you know, to do something and, and I'd get at least 15 texts every day from people saying, "Hey, we're, we, we've got your money here. Like, no, you don't. I already got it from somebody else."

But it's like, you get on a list and they just bombard you. And I did, I didn't know they did that in the medical world too. 

Lisa: Yeah, they do. 

Jim: Yeah, it's crazy. Well, obviously you didn't follow everything they said. Well, what made you have the mindset of, you know, you wanna do things naturally? Where'd you pick that up from?

Just for your lifestyle before or ... 

Lisa: So my lifestyle before was pretty holistic, like I told you. Uh-huh. I was, I had made some mistakes before that I- Right. ... I learned after. Like I learned about the importance of your water, you know, how important it is to have a clean, you know, water and now we have, you know, a, a, a filter under the sink and we also have the Kangan water system.

So I'm drinking, you know, the hy- not hydrogen, but, um, it's more alkaline. So I'm drinking alkaline water and mineralized water, so I get my minerals. So water was something I was doing wrong. I was drinking bottled water. Right. I didn't understand microplastics and how they cause cancer. Yeah. Of course, I was taking, um, artificial estrogen and I was also taking unopposed estrogen for like two months, which absolutely will cause uterine cancer.

Um, but the progesterone didn't come in the mail yet and they said, "Well, don't worry about it, just start it. " So I did. So that prob- definitely contributed and I wasn't super careful about my meats. Like I did go completely vegan for two and a half years, um, in the last six months, you know, I have added back in, um, pasture raised eggs and, um, you know, pasture chicken.

Right. Um, and I, I never really gave up wild caught fish, but I still don't eat red meat. And if I'm going to eat something other than tofu out at a restaurant, I won't eat that unless it's like an HG supply and I know the source of the meat or like a James Provisions around here. There's particular restaurants that tell you the source of the meat.

Jim: Right. 

Lisa: So generally, if I go out to eat, I'll have a bean dish or a wild caught fish dish or something with tofu. 

Jim: All right. Now, obviously you, you started doing your own research, you know, once you got your diagnosis and all the doctors coming at you like that, which always is so overwhelming because you wanna believe them.

They have, they have lab coats for crying out loud and a lot of education, but, you know, and we're not putting doctors down, but they all, they are taught a certain way, most of them. I mean, they're taught with pharmaceuticals and putting medications, especially chemo. Most of them don't really ... I mean, they're smart people, but they don't, they don't get taught nutrition and medical school.

They don't, they don't look at the big picture necessarily. I had an oncologist who did look at that big picture. I was very fortunate with that. I mean, he made sure I ate right and exercise about mindset and all that. I'm like, wow, I didn't realize, you know, all the others were, were not all, but most of them were not that way.

But he's, he was very good about it. So where, where did you go from there? You came across Chris work. Everyone comes across 

Lisa: Chris work. Yeah. So I first came across ... I found Chris through Nathan Crane. So the first thing I found, I actually found Nathan Crane days after the diagnosis. Oh. I was just ... I, I, I had become skeptical on doctors years ago, um, but what made me really skeptical was this whole perimenopause journey where they were like, you know, "We don't believe in giving women estrogen.

And to me, that didn't make sense because women are gonna s- you know, stop producing estrogen, so why would you not supplement that? " So that was one thing that had really made me skeptical about doctors. And I don't know, I just went with my intuition. I found Nathan Crane and Nathan Crane had interviewed Chris work.

Right. And, um, I wish that I had listened to Chris work before I had surgery. I would've had a different surgery. I would've done things differently, but I found square one and Chris work after surgery. And actually, after I got back from Tijuana, and I learned much more, you know, about holistic medicine in Tijuana, and actually, I don't even know how this happened, but I was involved in politics, and one of the people that I was involved with introduced me to this woman named Sue, and she had me go to this, uh, vitamin store called Nature's Family Medicine in Cleburne, Texas.

And I even got more and more involved in the supplements and things like turmeric and, um, graviola and B17 and mistletoe and, um, you know, all of the supplements that anyone who is practicing holistic medicine during or after a cancer diagnosis should be taken, I started taking all those supplements.

And I found out about them through Nathan Crane and the, uh, nutrition center. And then in this whole process, I found Chris Wark and, and Healing Strong. And I went to the Healing Strong Convention in January of 24, and then I decided to start a group because there wasn't one near me. 

Jim: Okay. Yeah, I was there.

Lisa: Okay. I was there too. 

Jim: Wow, yeah. It was, I'm sure we met and talked- I 

Lisa: think we did. Actually, looking at you, you look a little familiar and I remember there was all different kinds of vendors there and I have their s- their sweatshirt and their T-shirt, the purple one with the logos. 

Jim: Yeah. Well, most people get me confused with Brad Pitt, so don't, don't worry about 

Lisa: that.

I believe it. Yeah. I totally believe that. I can see the resemblance. 

Jim: Yes. If you squint real hard, that was a good time out there in Houston. You said that's when you started your group right after that? 

Lisa: Yeah, right after that. Yeah. I started my group in, I wanna say March of 2024, and we've been going strong since.

Jim: And that's in the Dallas area, right? 

Lisa: Yeah, it's actually in Keller, Texas. Didn't wanna correct you. Correct. I live more in Fort Worth than Dallas. Dallas ... My son lives in Dallas. It's about an hour away. I like Dallas. It's a, it's a nice city. 

Jim: That's what I was thinking about your son. Yeah. 

Lisa: Yeah, there's good vegan food in Dallas.

Jim: Oh, perfect. Yeah, I mean, Dallas and Fort Worth is, you know, we, most of us think, "Oh, that's in the same little neighborhood," but that's huge. 

Lisa: Yeah. 

Jim: Huge real estate right there. 

Lisa: Yes. Yeah. Texas is huge and there's a good hour between Dallas and Fort Worth. 

Jim: You can't walk it then, 

Lisa: huh? 

Jim: No. And you meet in person, right?

Lisa: We do. Yeah, we meet, uh, we just changed it to the last Thursday of the month. We remem- we were meeting the first Monday of the month, um, but I just changed it to accommodate my pickleball, uh, league schedule. Which I'm new to pickleball. I only started in January of this year. 

Jim: Yeah. I hear it's addictive. 

Lisa: It is very addictive because now I play pickleball every single day.

Jim: Well it's good for you though. It's good for you. 

Lisa: Yeah. It kinda makes me a little bit sad because in this whole cancer journey and through the people I've met, one of the women that I met when I thought I had Cirrus, which I didn't have- mm-hmm. ... was in the Sirius Facebook group and she happened to live in Boyd, Texas, which is 30 minutes from me, and we became friends, and she played pickleball every day.

In fact, she played pickleball, like, uh, two weeks before she passed away. 

Jim: Wow. Like I said, it's healthy for you unless you get stressed out. Some people get this angry playing stuff like that, but yeah, as long as you're not stressed, it's very healthy, good exercise. And that's something I've not done because I know I would be addicted.

Lisa: Well, it's a good social outlet too, because I work from home. Yeah. So other than the Healing Strong group, uh, I wouldn't really have much social interaction. Um, I have a son with special needs and a very intense job that between those two, I really don't leave the house that much. Mm-hmm. But pickleball gets me out of the house every day and talking to people.

Jim: Yes. Now, I, I had started a group for the same reason. There weren't, wasn't any in Greenville area, which shocked me because Greenville's a pretty healthy place. And we have our own cancer survivors park. You know, so it's 11 million dollar park for people who have survived cancer. I thought this is perfect.

So we meet there. 

Lisa: Oh, that's nice. 

Jim: It's so out of my wheelhouse leading a group, and I thought, "Well, somebody's gonna step up and take leadership." Uh, six years later, finally, our next meeting, we got two ladies that are going to co-lead, so thank God, uh, he took a while to answer my prayer but it's me and all ladies.

Am I the only guy with cancer in Greenville, but, you know, guys, guys don't like to talk about it, you know, we're too talking. 

Lisa: No, they don't. My, my groups, uh, I have a few men here and there, but they don't stay. Uh, they'll come a few meetings and it's, it's some women that come consistently. 

Jim: Yes. It's all women with breast cancer and then me.

And so it's a little awkward, but- 

Lisa: Yeah, so for me, it's a woman with bone cancer- Wow. ... and, um, thyroid cancer, so ... 

Jim: I'm sure it's pretty much like my group and every group. When they get together, they just love sharing each other's journey and encouraging each other. And it's like, you know, thinking, "Man, this is a room full of people that are battling cancer," and they're like, acting like they're in Disney World, you know?

Lisa: Yeah. The, I love Healing Strong because nobody's sad. It's all upbeat. It's all hopeful because, you know, the body responds when you take care of it. 

Jim: Yes. 

Lisa: And you give it what it needs and you don't feed, you don't give it things that feed cancer. You know, we can't eat a bunch of sugar. We can't, uh, we can't, uh, skimp on sleep.

We can't allow stress to rule our minds. You know, we, we gotta just chill out and, uh, not take things so seriously and do things that are fun. And I think supplements are important too though. And of course, food is critical. 

Jim: Right. And the thing that, that shocked me the most is that your mindset is so important.

Lots of people, they get a diagnosis, and it's always six months. Doctors, they just pick out six months. 

Lisa: Oh yeah, what is it with 

Jim: six months? I don't know. They just, they get taught that in one month. They 

Lisa: told me that 

Jim: too. Really? And so your mind, if you have the mindset, you think, "Oh, the doctor knows, so I got six months and your body, the body hears that.

I mean, your mindset is telling your body, which I thought that's kind of crazy to hear stuff like that. I think the doctors actually told me that, because of your attitude, that, you know, that goes a long way and you're healing. If you sit around like EOR, you're just gonna go downhill most likely but- Yeah, sure.

respecting the worst, but, you know, I'm more like Tiger, so which it definitely worked in my favor and it's been 10 years now I'm cancer free. I like that better than- Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. You're catching up to me eventually. 

Lisa: Uh, going on three years on the 17th. 

Jim: Yeah. I was, uh, 50, yeah, 58 when I got my diagnosis, so it's not fun to hear it, but life is so much better since then.

Uh, everybody that I've talked to that's had cancer and come out the other end say the same thing, you know, it's like going from black and white to color because you appreciate everything so much more, uh, you appreciate your relationships and I'm sure that's what you've found also. 

Lisa: Oh, 100%. Yeah. I just really, um, reprioritize.

Jim: Mm-hmm. 

Lisa: And, you know, I promised myself when I was going through cancer that if I got out the other end, I would never be upset about anything stupid. I haven't really been able to keep that promise because I'm human, but I try and, you know, give myself a, a reset every chance I think, you know? Yes. I mean, I think once you're a survivor, it's kind of always lingering in your mind.

You try not to focus on it, but it's, it's there. It does make you appreciate the present moment more. And I think you're more discerning with how you spend your time. 

Jim: Definitely, definitely. Yeah. And I'd hardly ever get headaches, but every time I do, I thought, "Oh my gosh, there's a brain tumor." But- 

Lisa: Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it's hard not to, you know, before cancer, ev- I, I mean, you know, coming from my generation and yours too, probably, every little ache and pain you just kind of ignore because- 

Jim: Yeah. ... 

Lisa: we grew up in the time when, uh, you'll be okay, right? 

Jim: Exactly. We 

Lisa: can have seat belts. 

Jim: Be good old days. 

Lisa: Yeah. 

Jim: What's a helmet for crying out loud?

Lisa: That's right. That's right. Sat in the back of, um, what was that, that station wagon with no seat belts and being thrown around on the way to camp? 

Jim: Yes. That was great. We still made it. 

Lisa: We made it, yes. And so that contributed to a little bit of a dismissive mindset when it comes to signals, the body sense.

Jim: That's true. Now, there's lots of people that are listening right now that just got their diagnosis and they're, you know, they're overwhelmed. They don't, they wanna believe the doctors if there's something's telling them that there's more to it than this. What would you say to them to encourage them and, uh, give them hope?

Lisa: I would say to pray and to believe that, you know, you did contribute to it in some way, not intentionally, but, you know, something you were eating, something you weren't taking, a supplement, a deficiency. Anytime your body has to focus on some other ailment, for me, I used to have lupus, um, that was, that's an autoimmune thing.

Um, your body can't fight cancer. So every, everyone's body is killing cancer every single day. Um, cancer is chronically fermenting cells, cells that kind of choose to continue to, you know, replicate themselves. Uh, and the secret is to get them to stop doing that. And, you know, you have to believe that you can stop your cells from com- from replicating and you, you know, there's, uh, the whole thing about, um, the veins, the blood vessels that grow that, uh, you know, there's a, there's a blood test called VEGF, VEGF, vascular endothelial growth factor, which is a great blood test because that's another, you know, there's all these markers and we didn't have time to get into this, but I get all these blood markers done every four months- mm-hmm.

to see, is my body going to a place where it could potentially be, you know, producing, um, a, a tumor. So there's angiogenesis, you know, where you're creating the blood vessels and if you're ... I don't wanna get too technical, but these, the, the point is there is hope because there is control. Like your body created this because it was deficient or it had too much of something.

So if you can figure that out, like starving cancer is another great resource. Um, Radical Remission is a great resource. Like I told you Nathan Crane, Conquering Cancer, The Missing Link, Ty Bollinger's series on the Truth About Cancer- mm-hmm. ... and, and all the hundreds of thousands of people that cured cancer naturally.

I would refer you to them people. And I would not ... You know, the doctors get paid to tell you you're gonna die. I mean, basically they do. They wanna scare you into chemotherapy and radiation because that's what they know how to do. Right. That's all they know how to do, and that's the only thing that insurance is gonna pay for.

So I think that I would encourage people with a new diagnosis to think outside the box and to believe that the body is a miraculous and wonderful thing made of God, and it has the capacity to heal itself given the right environment to heal. 

Jim: Beautiful. And join a Healing Strong Group. 

Lisa: Yes. Join a Healing Strong Group.

And if you're in Texas, look me up, Lisa Beck. I host Healing Strong here in Keller, the last Thursday of the month at a place called Groutagi Bistro. 

Jim: Wow. Okay. Yeah, you can't miss that. Yeah, Lisa, thank you so much for ... We finally made this happen and, uh, your story is great because it's got a happy ending.

We like that. It was good to meet you maybe for the second time if I, if I met you at the convention, there's so many people there, but everyone was happy and, uh, was, I felt like it was that Disney world without paying the high price. 

Lisa: Yeah, you just can't get sucked into the doom and gloom and you can't believe a death sentence.

Don't let anybody give you an expiration date, I would say that. 

Jim: Yes. Good advice from a group of leader there in Texas. Well, thank you so much, and I know you have another appointment you gotta get to, so ... 

Lisa: Nice to meet you, Jim, and thank you very much. 

Jim: All right. Thank you. 

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