126: Common Sense Medicine: Energy, Mitochondria, and Healing | Al Sanchez

In this episode, Jim sits down with Al Sanchez, an engineer-turned-health advocate who represents Poly MVA, a nutraceutical designed to support cellular energy production. Al shares how losing his mother and sister to illness set him and his father on a lifelong journey exploring alternative and integrative health therapies.

Al breaks down complex concepts like mitochondria and metabolism in plain language, explaining why cellular energy is at the root of everything from immune function to brain clarity. He makes the case for what he calls "common sense medicine", addressing the basics like hydration, nutrition, sleep, stress reduction, and movement before reaching for pharmaceuticals.

The conversation covers the role of Poly MVA in supporting mitochondrial function, how stress silently undermines our health, why animals offer powerful proof of supplement efficacy (no placebo effect!), and how lifestyle choices can actually change the expression of our genes. Al also warns listeners to steer clear of internet "miracle cures" and stick to therapies with a proven track record.

A practical, energizing conversation full of relatable analogies, from cars to plants to kindergartners, that makes the science of healing genuinely accessible.

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Al: They have a headache. It's probably 'cause you're dehydrated. Take a big glass of water, go rest for 20 or 30 minutes, let your buck, eight out of 10 times for me, my headache goes away. My stress, yeah, I'm stressed. I got a, a lot of tension. It was a rough day. Tell you what, get a little bit of a massage.

Put some heat pack on it. Go lay on the couch. Listen to some nice music in the sun, in the park barefooted. Wow. What do you know? My headache went away. See what I mean? Yeah. But that, that, that takes 30 to 40 minutes of being active and we don't wanna do that. We wanna go, Hey, gimme two Tylenol or some Advil or whatever.

And let me just keep going 'cause I got a project I gotta do. 

Speaker 3: You are listening to the I Am Healing Strong Podcast, a part of the Healing Strong Organization, the number one network of holistic cancer support groups in the world. Each week, we bring you stories of hope, real stories that will encourage you as you navigate your way on your own journey to help.

Now, here's your host, stage four Cancer Thriver Jim Mann. 

Jim: I am talking to Al Sanchez, who is going to explain a lot of stuff to me because I've heard him talk. It makes sense when he talks. And, but I am, I'm just, this isn't an area that I am just not familiar with. So Al is, you have a little challenge here, but that's okay.

I'm sure you're up 

Al: quick. I like a good challenge, Jim, so bring it on. 

Jim: Yeah. You were telling me earlier how you got into what you do anyway. So tell me again, like your father was into it first, right? 

Al: My mother passed away July 20th, 1972. I'm three years old, youngest of four. My dad realizes that, at the time he thought they told him everything he, that was available to try, but he learned later on that there was other things.

Wow. Fast forward to my next sister getting ill in the hospital and they can't figure it out. And my dad's a little panicky. He just lost his wife. How's he gonna lose a daughter? He reads down in the hospital library about. The importance of vitamin B two. He goes to the pharmacy, gets them B two, gives it to my sister, and she recovers in let by that next morning, doctor comes in and says I guess whatever we did must have worked.

And my dad goes, no, it was the her B two deficiency that caused this. And I read it in 1-year-old library look. And the doctor didn't believe him and he left the hospital. Fast forward another decade. My dad was a school principal, PhD educator, a gentleman who had aids had known my dad for a long time, entrusted his whole family's, whatever happened to him.

My dad would be the executor, et cetera, et cetera. So my dad gets exposed to all these therapies that come out about for AIDS patients. This is where we get Myers cocktails. This is where we get high dose vitamin C. This is where all this stuff actually started. Jim was back in the eighties because if you remember that time, it was very polarizing and they left them with no other choices and no other alternatives.

So I. Then that kicks off naturally into cancer therapies, which then gravitates to the nineties. My dad realizes that the world is using all kinds of different things that wasn't even being mentioned in the us and he starts this journey that led him to what I now represent. And Paul, MVA and Dr.Garnett, and that's the short version. 

Jim: Wow. Okay. 

Al: Yeah. Oh, and my sister passed away, so that's what brought me involved with it to help my dad, right? Because I was too young to experience my mother's death. But when Tina passed away, that, that really hit me hard and okay, I got, lemme go help dad and see what he's doing.

And then down that rabbit hole, I went and haven't come back since. 

Jim: Yeah. So Poly MVA has been around for a while, but I'm just hearing about it, which, you know. That's not unusual, but can you explain to, pretend I'm in, in kindergarten. 

Al: Okay. 

Jim: Explain it to me. 

Al: Okay. If we're in kindergarten then, in kindergarten you have lots of energy.

Right? 

Jim: Yes, I remember that. 

Al: All right. And you can run around all day long. You can bounce up and down on the asphalt, run up and down the jungle, gyms up and down the slides, and keep on going. And then you're just looking for your next meal to get recharged, your next nap, to take a breath, to take a rest to get recovered, and then you get back up and you do it again.

But think about that energy, right? Yeah. And then compare someone. In kindergarten versus someone who's of age well above into their sixties or seventies. Is that the same amount of energy? Do they recover as well? No, and it directly comes down to metabolism. So when you really dive into energy and metabolism this is why our dietary is so important.

This is why sleep is so important. This is why stress is so not important, because it impacts our health in ways that ultimately come down to our metabolism with these little things called mitochondria that our little engines inside of our cells and the better we can keep that, wow, imagine how healthy then we become in relation to it.

It's really that simple. 

Jim: You said you were an engineer. Your background is an engineering 

Al: Right. 

Jim: A problem solver. That's what an engineer is. Right? 

Were you working as an engineer when you left to help your dad or 

Al: that was I was, that, that was my back and I was just gonna help him out. It was just to help him.

My, my dad was the guy, he was the researcher. He went into all the cancer therapies, he knew all the doctors. He pretty much went back to school to educate on the medical side to explain what was going on in these cancer patients. As I'm sure you've heard in lots of different discussions and podcasts that you may have.

Spin all with different people, it can be pretty sciencey and and that's important to a certain level. But for example you know your car that, that's probably sitting in your driveway or your garage. Do you know how it works? Do you know how all the electrical systems are put together? No I need a, if you don't, if you no longer have a key, you have a key fob that has a battery in it, you have to replace.

Jim: Right. 

Al: You know where the gas tank is, you got some maintenance like oil changes and rotates and tires and brakes. But you probably couldn't understand it. Explain it. You just know it all works together and you're glad  that it does when you gotta go from point A to point B. Right?

And you know that if you, the better you maintain that car. Then the better that car is gonna maintain you. If you were able to wash it every week, keep it in the garage, wash off all the road dust and debris, and keep that thing clean and you hold onto that thing for 50 or 60 years.

Wow. What happened to the value of that car if you were to hold onto an original car almost of any form. Now its value goes from right, whatever you bought it at to then practically nothing to then ramped up to some, oh my God, you got an original 1972 Ford Pinto, let alone if you got a original 1965 Fastback GT two 50.

You see what I'm saying? 

Jim: Oh yeah. 

Al: And so that's the value of maintaining your car. Imagine what the value of maintaining our body is. It doesn't mean that we're not gonna get wear and tear and some breakdown, but the better we can maintain it, the better we change our oil, the better the cleaner, the gas we run the then guess what, it lasts  us much longer time.

Jim: Let's use me as an example, of course. 'cause I know myself. 

Al: Okay. 

Jim: But I've always had a very high metabolism, I've always been skinny. I have a lot of energy. 

Al: Good. 

Jim: I think that's really what helped me heal from my cancer. I'm sure that had a big part in it also. 

Al: Yeah. 

Jim: Now that I'm in my sixties.

I've re, I've noticed that just in the last year or two, I'm like running outta steam and most people say you're just getting older and it does, you know that's gonna happen a little as you get older. Of course, you don't necessarily, everyone can run a marathon in their nineties, but like my dad, he lived in 96.

We brought 'em into our home because my mom was. Experiencing dementia. So we brought him up in Florida and I would come home from work, I'd come home at noon 'cause it was on the morning show. And my 94-year-old dad at that time, he had already raked my yard and had f like five big black those big trash bags full of leaves.

And he is waiting for me to take him, somewhere and dump 'em. Dad, you're  94. Where are you getting his energy? He's always been slow motion. One energy, but still, 

Al: but he's consistent. 

Jim: Yeah. I have there's no stress in his life. I probably gave him some, but other than that, I've always been like that.

Only I've been more hyper. I'm more like a chihuahua. But it is gonna worry me. And I don't want to think it's just age, but by the afternoon, I'm like, I don't feel like doing anything and I don't wanna sit down and watch TV 'cause I just feel like a loser does something like this. Poly NBA, would that make a difference in my life?

Al: Oh, definitely. Especially at your stage of where you're at because. That's where our mitochondria, that's where our energy production, that's where all the little processes that go into 

Giving us the energy come from. And it's not just energy as in, we think of our muscles.

Jim: Right.

Al: Think of, how clearheaded is your dad and your mom, even though they were older, he was 

Jim: pretty clear. Yeah. 

Al: Okay. So to think even clearly requires. Processing in our brain. So it's not just, this is an energy like, okay, we can lift 300 pounds. Those are a lot of other physiological factors that, that are gonna change as we age.

Jim: Right. 

Al: What's more important is that he's consistent, right? You said he wasn't a fast mover, but guess what? He was. Consistent. Life is not a sprint, it is a marathon. 

Jim: Yeah. 

Al: So the better we can average that out through the course of any one given day, let alone over the course of our lifetime, that's what it's gonna come down to.

And you said something key that you're like he didn't have a lot of stress. Yeah, it's why stress is called the silent killer. Truly imagine feeling at peace and your day is just gonna be nice and easy. You're not having to worry about running here, picking up that, getting, taking care of this, you being, into your sixties and me being into my fifties now, believe me, I was high strung.

I always going, never stop. The second I got up in the morning, I was up. I didn't go. The second I went to bed, I was down. It was, what's the old saying? The fools still not who they toil for. I think. Is that the right way I said it? I don't know. But the message being is what are we doing?

What we're doing for, what are we putting ourselves through? We thought we, we have a family, we got this, we got responsibilities. We gotta take care of this. We got this bill to pay. We got this. And that in itself is. It's stressful, and that actually breaks down our brain, our nervous system. It affects our sleep, it affects our dietary patterns, it affects our lifestyle.

That's why stress is the silent killer, and it's often discussed because of that. And so we're really learning here in the 21st century how important this is. And it's actually all relatively new. We've known about having a good diet for a long time, but what does that really mean? What does that really look like?

We're not talking the marketing stuff that we hear on TV and this ad for that diet or this weight loss. It's common sense, understanding, eating for and resting and for you and your lifestyle. For me and my lifestyle. You might be  a redwood tree and I might be a, an orange citrus tree.

Okay. We still need. Sunlight water and good soil. But my environment would be ideal in Florida or California, your environment's gonna be up in the higher elevation. That's where you're gonna thrive and that's where I'm gonna thrive. But we're still gonna need a recipe of the same ingredients. So we're really understanding that perspective on the types of individuals, and I think this is where understanding our genes is far more important than saying, oh, do you have a predisposition for cancer or heart disease, or this.

Maybe not, but guess what? If you do these other things, the expression of those dreams change, and that's directly related to our environment, our stress, our sleep, all that fun stuff. 

Jim: Thanks for making me a redwood. That's a cool tree. 

Al: No problem. 

Jim: Not a weeping willow or something like that.

Now, Dr. Was it, Dr. Garnet is the one who came up with the poly MVA. 

Al: Yep. Yep.  He created it. He discovered it. He created it and put it all together. That's right. 

Jim: Wow. I did notice that every picture of a doctor who did something, they're always at their little microscope. Oh, is that what they do? Hey, I want your picture.

So they go over to a, 

Al: he honestly was on that thing every time I ever saw him in the lab. That's he was at, it truly was. He was, it was either that or he was your, his back was to you on the whiteboard because he was. Putting his thoughts and trying to put it all together what he was trying to do. I, 

Jim: I talk about this a lot, just about every podcast.

'cause there's so many things that are coming about now, used to be just chemo and then whatever some hippie tells you to do, which, you didn't listen to them. I'm not gonna hug the tree or whatever. But now you know, it's turning out that they were a lot smarter than we realize. Now that all that kind started making sense.

'cause we know our bodies were created to heal themselves, which some people are like, eh, it doesn't make sense, but when you cut yourself, it heals  automatically, right? As long as you keep it clean. But there's so much stuff coming at us, how do you know what to do, what path to take is, it's almost like a tidal wave.

And once you get a diagnosis and you're looking at all these alternative protocols and whatever, how do you decipher. What to do. The poly MBA, how do you know you need that or what else you need? It's overwhelming and it makes people are like deer in headlights sometimes.

Al: Sure. I try and simplify that as best I can and I call it, common sense. 

Jim: Oh, 

Al: okay. And I like to refer to it as Common sense medicine. You don't have to be a PhD MD to figure it out, to be totally honest I use the analogy of plants if something was wrong with one of our plants, would we initially rush to giving it some type of medication or antifungal or, some microbe.

That might be needed, but we're initially gonna be like, okay, maybe we, maybe the soil isn't have enough nutrients in it, right? Maybe we're under watering it or overwatering it.  Maybe the plant's being stressed out. Maybe it's not getting enough sunshine. Maybe there's some pollution or chemicals around it that are affecting it because I put in some new air fresher that I'm using.

I don't know, right? Let's start with the simple stuff. Your car's not working right? Okay. Might just be a low battery or dead battery. Maybe you got some bad gas. Maybe you need to change your air filter. Maybe it is your computer that's wrong in your car, but let's start.

Don't go straight for the heavy stuff. Use the common sense with what we know. 

Jim: Don't take the transmission apart. 

Al: Yeah.

Jim: Yeah. 

Al: Okay. 

Jim: That's a good idea. 

Al: Yeah. So there, there's diagnostic steps when we do those other things. Why don't we bring that common sense, simple diagnostics to the human body when it's not doing well, I think it would serve us a lot better by looking towards our nutrients, our stress, the amount of water we're drinking, right?

The chemicals in our environment. And when you take on, let's say those top five, imagine the shift that, that, that creates  and I've seen it. I'm guessing you probably have seen it as well. That's powerful. Let's start there, and then let's work towards a drug or a procedure or something that might be more beneficial because we just took, maybe we wouldn't need as much of that drug because we just took care of 60% of it.

So now all we have to do is be on something for a little bit. Okay. I think that's a better way to approach it than it is to just say you go to a doctor, what do they do? They write you a prescription. 

Jim: Yeah. 

Al: Here's a great example, and I think it'll hopefully explain this to the reasons of why I'll never forget when I was out at the park on a Mother's Day in California.

I always wear sandals in the park on the grass. I go, barefooted, I must have stepped on a b. And got a be thing and didn't really notice it till later. And then all of a sudden my foot starts swelling and I'm watching it, I happen to be going to a city where the doctor was the next day, and Hey, I made an appointment.

Go check it out. And they're like, yeah, looks like a be thing. He you don't seem to be allergic, so you know, no big deal. I'm about to walk out the door. And he  handed me a prescription and I said, what's this? He goes, it's an antibiotic. And I went. Why would you prescribe me an antibiotic? Just in case?

In case, what am I exhibiting? Anything that looks like to be it's infected. Is my temperature rising? Did you draw some blood and look at my blood count? No. And so I got into it with him for a little bit and to make a point to him, I tore it up and threw it in the trash. And he goes, he goes, by law, I have to do that.

I looked at him, I went, excuse me. He's if on the by chance something did happen. And I didn't prescribe you something, you could come back on me. He says, this is my get outta jail free card. And I shook my head and I went, oh, mg, I get it right. He's only protecting himself and he didn't think he was doing anything bad by just giving me a prescription.

But that's the way our system is set up. That's not a good way to have a, a healthcare system in my opinion. But it taught me a  lot about standard of care, what they're required to do, litigation, all the fun stuff of what we have here in a capitalistic society. Right? 

Jim: Yeah. Yeah. It's so sad.

It people have to just think about what happens if I get sued, how can I cover myself? 'cause everyone likes to sue these days and 

Al: right. 

Jim: It's crazy, but what can you do? 

Al: This is where, like I said, how do we approach it with a little bit of common sense? 

Jim: Yeah. 

Al: And we have to adjust that for each situation.

And in my case, guess what? It was a bee sting. I monitored it, I made sure I iced it, I kept looking at it. I just didn't ignore it and pretend like it wasn't there. I was actively participating in my health and taking responsibility for me. I wasn't gonna own it to give it to somebody else, but I wasn't gonna blindly just take an antibiotic, be and kill all the good, healthy gut in my bacteria because I was taught that Yeah.

By my dad. And so you see how it changes from a generation to generation, and my three sons are. They're feisty as heck. They won't take a pharmaceutical, no, they're gonna go to, naturals and supplements and, oh, they have a headache. It's probably 'cause you're dehydrated. Take a big glass of water, go rest for 20 or 30 minutes, let your, eight out of 10 times for me, my headache goes away.

My stress. Yeah. I'm stressed. I got a, a lot of tension. It was a rough day. Tell you what, get a little bit of a massage, put some heat packed on it. Go lay on the couch, listen to some nice music in the sun in the park, barefooted. Wow. What do you know? My headache went away. See what I mean? Yeah. But that, that, that takes 30 to 40 minutes of being active and we don't wanna do that.

We wanna go, Hey, gimme two Tylenol or some Advil or whatever and let me just keep going 'cause I got a project I gotta do. Okay.

Jim: Yeah. My youngest daughter is down in Florida studying to be a nurse. Okay. And she tells me all the time, and she's an introvert, so she's not gonna be, real outspoken.

But the professor is like talking about these different things, these natural things, how she's, they don't really work. And, my, my daughter will raise her hand  my, my dad did that and he's cancer free, and she's and she can't really say anything about that. Good for him, kind of thing.

Al: Yeah. 

Jim: But yeah, she does, she hears what I talk about and about the gut health and all that kinda stuff, and 

It does go through generations and so they'll, my kids will think differently and 

Al: well and it can be both, right? I'm not saying it's one or the other. But again going back to that plant analogy.

Let's say there is a bug on the plant. It's some little bug infestation. Okay? Are you gonna stop watering it? Are you gonna stop exposing it to the sun? Are you gonna stop giving it's good nutrition? If anything, you're probably gonna make sure it has more of that, 

Jim: right? 

Al: And then you might spot treat, right?

You're not just gonna use a weed killer across the darn thing. Maybe you're just gonna have to spot treat that one location so it doesn't spread or cut the one leaf off so it can gen. Okay, great. But you don't just poison the whole plant. You don't poison the soil,

Jim: no, you shouldn't. Anyway, 

Al: right.

Jim: Go back to the poly MVA. Okay. 'Cause that really interests me as I read that, but I saw the, like the charts the low and the high and the medium. Okay. I forgot what they were. Can you explain that? Is it like if you really if your energy is really low or whatever, do you start with the high or how does that work?

Al: So what it is depending on what, where you're at and what you need for to restore, right? I use the three Rs, right? Is it like to restore, to revitalize? To rejuvenate, right? 

Jim: Okay. 

Al: All our cells are not at the same level in our body right now. Some are stable and doing what they need to do.

Others are just beginning and some are dying off, right? And then everything in between, all those stages, 

Jim: okay? 

Al: Those require different levels of energy to be happening. At the same time, the better we can stabilize that energy, and this is where poly comes in, or restore that, to repair that, to help that cell.

Okay, might we need to use a lot or might we need to use a little, if it's 120 degrees outside, you're probably gonna be drinking a lot more water today than if it was 45 degrees. 

Jim: Right? 

Al: Just saying, because the environment's gonna, you're gonna lose a lot more water in 120 heat than you will in 45.

So you need to replenish that accordingly. When it comes to metabolism, when it comes to the little mitochondria, the little engines that create that, so that. Your liver can do what your liver has to do. Look at what your heart ha your heart is. Our hearts are beating right nonstop. As long as we're alive, 

Jim: right?

Al: There's no coincidence that guess what? Our heart tissues. Have the highest concentration of mitochondria per cell than any other tissue in the body. Common sense, right? 

Jim: Yeah. 

Al: So I'm sure you've known some people that have had heart issues, right? Whether it's able to get oxygen to it, get enough blood to the system, right?

These are the basics of life, and the better we can support and target that, then guess what? We've restored our heart. Our ejection fraction comes up. We're able to now breathe. We can  now go up and down a flight of stairs again. Why? It all starts here, right? So the poly isn't, has the ability to support those cells.

So it's not targeting a disease, it's not targeting, it's targeting the way our cells work, and it's just the way they work. I, I didn't make it up. 

Jim: Yeah. 

Al: I just I just know what they need and all these little factors that play a role into it. 

You recharge that, guess what? You're you said you, earlier you had some immunotherapy.

Okay. It always makes me think what, because when I think of an immunotherapy, I'm thinking something that's gonna target our immune system. What's gonna uplift our immune system? 

Jim: To 

Al: better support your body to go after, take care of, delete out, get rid of in your liver, pump it around with your blood.

Turn on the lymphocytes, turn on the NK killer cells. That doesn't happen by magic Jim. That happens by biochemical reactions that need lots of energy to drive them. Okay. 

Jim: Yeah. It just takes a  little understanding of what's happening. So you can use some common sense, like for instance, for someone to have the poly MBA, yet they're not.

Eating anything nutritious or exercising or sitting on the couch, that's not gonna do it. You gotta make sure you're putting in the nutrition, the basics, actually getting out, moving, being outside. 

Al: It's interesting that you mentioned that because it made me think of a speaker I just heard a week and a half ago, and he talked about the longevity.

He was looking at those that lived the longest. 

And those that were the healthiest, comparing their activity levels, their diet, their lifestyles, and putting that whole thing together. A great program about that is called the Blue Zones. Have you ever heard that? 

Okay. Look at the difference in it and then look, but more importantly, look at the common denominators in that and it's community.

It's. Not the same foods, right? Different foods, 

Jim: right? 

Al: Generally simple foods, non-processed, non-fat food, right? It's an activity level that keeps you involved in your community. Could be gardening. You do not have to be a gym jockey. You don't have to be pumping iron every day. You do not have to be running and hustling and climbing hills and doing CrossFit.

No. Yes, that engages our muscles, but so does gardening. So does walking back and forth and up and down the stairs and going to the store and taking a walk around the park and chasing the dog. Our bodies were not built for that. When you think about it, we can force them into it, but for any of us that have ever seen bodybuilders or people, it takes a lot of energy and too much resource to actually maintain huge muscle masses.

Yeah, not, we're not designed for that. We're not also designed to sit and just hibernate out and hang out, but we simply need that constant movement because muscle movement's actually easy. Move around. You pick up this you get up, you sit down, you, but what that actually does is it moves our lymphatic system and this is something that, take a whole different discussion to get into, but that's what that engages.

The fact that I'm moving my arm up and down. That's great from a physical perspective, but more importantly it's exercising my lymph nodes. It's rot. When you look at where your lymph nodes are at and what they do and how they're the filter of the body, that's a whole other conversation on the detoxification of the body.

Guess what? That requires energy too. You see where I'm going? Yeah. Common sense. Stick with it. You keep moving. The nutritional diet, the good mental the meditation, the prayer, the loving family really. How much easier it is to grow. I we think about growing a plant. Is a plant gonna grow better in that environment or is it gonna grow better in a stressed out environment?

Or sometimes it might get water, sometimes it might not get water. Sometimes it gets in the sun, right? 

Jim: Yes, Steve, now I gotta go water my plants. Thanks a 

lot. 

Al: Okay, no problem. 

Jim: So when did you cross paths with healing Strong? 

Al: Oh my goodness. 2018 at Cancer Control there in Los Angeles. 

Jim: Okay. 2018, they also did a convention in Atlanta.

That's how I came across them. 

Al: Okay. 

Jim: So crazy. 

Al: They're an amazing group of individuals. A lot of women that are just women are so much stronger warriors than enough men. You look at a good man and I guarantee behind him, you'll find a better woman. 

Jim: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. In my group that I lead, Healy Strong is it's all women.

I'm the only guy. 

Al: Okay. 

Jim: And they all have breast cancer and 

Al: yeah, 

Jim: of course I had the melanoma. 

Al: Right. 

Jim: But yeah. And they're incredible. And I wish one of 'em would step up to be the leader. I'm, every year, I've been doing this for six years, every year. I don't really want to be the leader.

Right? Anybody wanna step forward? But they don't, I think they enjoy seeing me squirm. Basically, I watched your video that you spoke to the leaders, that there's a a special page on your website for Healing Strong. 

Al: There is I don't have it off the top of my head. 

Jim: I might. Would it be poly store slash healing dash strong dash one?

Does that sound right? Sounds about 

Al: Right. 

Jim: But yeah, we'll definitely have that in the show notes. But yeah that's incredible. And then check out these different types of there's Poly four pets also. 

Al: The wonderful thing with pets for all of us that, that love our pets is there's no placebo effect with pets.

So you asked earlier about, how do we differentiate, what's working, what's not? When you see it work in the animals, then you know for sure it's gonna work in the humans because one, the physiology is really close and two animals have no placebo effect, sadly. Good thing at a certain level.

But 

Jim: yeah, 

Al: There's a up to 30% margin in any clinical trial, Jim. Is all about placebo, just the power of our mind. 

Jim: Right? 

Al: Which is amazing, which speaks to why stress and being in a good mindset and having good relationships is so important because it plays a powerful role, when we feel safe and secure and loved and in a safe place.

That level of stress does what just comes right on down. 

Jim: Yeah. 

Al: And then with that, our body now doesn't have to allocate any of those resources to take care of that. Then it can help focus on healing, and then we bring in our diet, then we bring in these protocols, then we bring in the supplementations.

Supplements are different than drugs. They're not drugs. They are nutritional supplements. Poly MVAI call a nutraceutical because it was actually designed to do something specific, whereas vitamin C is just vitamin C, but vitamin C used as a specific tool can be very powerful for the same reasons we take it for having a cold.

Imagine the advanced support that vitamin C can do for. Advanced immune situations for cancer patients. That's what I'm talking about. So you touched on your daughter gets, raises her hand and says, oh yeah, my, my dad did this, and the doctor dismisses it and they're like go look at the studies on coq 10.

Go look at the studies on fish oils. Go look at the studies on vitamin C. They're out there. 

Jim: Right. 

Al: But there's no incentive, there's no prescription that the doctor can write. It's not even within their purview, Jim. They cannot write you a prescription unless you have a disease. If you have scurvy, they can write you a  prescription for VI, for vitamin C.

Other than that, they can't tell you to go take vitamin C. 

Jim: Yeah, it's crazy. 

Al: Yeah, it really is. So we have to then have these discussions and this is where I appreciate what Healing Strong has done and what you do. We're getting this message out because we're all our own little scientists. Look what you've learned in coming together.

Look what you're doing in supporting Healing Strong. Look at you and I now having this conversation, right? That maybe just one person, if just one person hears this and does something different and changes it and says, you know what? Yeah, okay. I think I can do this. There's others out there. Maybe they sign up, maybe they call you.

Maybe they call me. It doesn't matter for me anyways. 

Jim: Right. 

Al: That they have the hope and the belief that guess what? This changes things. It really does. There are plenty of people that both you and I know now who have done differently, both standalone, integrative, and guess what? They're thriving. You're a great example of that.

And yeah. God bless you for what you're doing to share that message, because that gives people hope. Yeah. And when you have hope, wow. Now I feel empowered to go do something now. You know what? Let me have a conversation with Al. Let me have a conversation with Joe and everybody and let me see what resonates and fits well for me, where I'm at in my life.

That's a great positive step in the right direction regardless of what pro products you use. 

Jim: Yeah. 

Al: And when you use the products that are tried and true, as you touched on earlier, how would I know, go to the ones that have been around, go to the ones that have the research, go to the ones that they've done animal work on, go.

Still get caught up in the internet. And what's the new fastest It looks the nicest. Nah, there's a lot of that in our day and age. 

Jim: Yeah. 

Al: Stay away from the fly by nights and look for the stuff that has worked. Tried and true over at least five years of application. 

Jim: Yeah. On, on, I noticed on Instagram especially there's, they keep finding the hidden secret to cure cancer.

It's amazing 

Al: When you hear that. Run. 

Jim: Yeah. 

Al: Go the other direction. When they say, yeah, I'm sure you see it when you click on it, you start reading an article, it sounds pretty good. And then they go, oh, but you have to sign up here and you gotta do this. And then all of a sudden you get thrown into, oh yeah, pay us a monthly fee and we'll give you the secret to longevity and no disease.

And you're like, nah, it that. That's baloney, right? That I click done. Yep. 

Jim: Yes. 

Al: Unsubscribe. 

Jim: So you enjoy doing this more than engineering, huh? 

Al: I do because it, it lets me do it in a different way. 

Jim: Yeah. 

Al: The engineering of the human body is amazing. If you wanna go down a rabbit hole, go down mitochondria and metabolism and type that in for anything, Jim.

So a good thing that I always recommend now people to understand and say whatever your situation is, then go put in mitochondria in your situation. Watch what comes up. Watch all the cool things that you're gonna be like, oh, I've heard of that. Oh yeah. Okay. Now you'll know what? While this fit together in this in a simple  puzzle, and it'll make making decisions about why you want to get a good night's rest, why you want to drink.

Lots of water, why you want to use this supplement or that supplement and the common sense that we just have been talking about it'll bubble to the surface. Like 

Jim: Yeah, 

Al: like concrete, right? You keep patting that concrete and all that cream is gonna rise on up and it'll harden.

It'll be what you need. 

Jim: All I appreciate the time and I am smarter now. In fact, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go to my neighbor right now and talk about mitochondria. That's what he says. He's an engineer. He'll probably love it. 

Al: You never know, right? When you, if you give him the picture and the structure and what mitochondria do, he'll be like, oh yeah.

That's my kind of, that's my kind of animal. And pretty fascinating because, and they really are, think about the fact that give some numbers. Put in perspective. So again, if the mitochondria are the engines of our cells 

The average cell has 2000 mitochondria [00:33:00] per cell. 

Jim: Wow. 

Al: Your heart cell has 35 to 5,000 mitochondria per cell. Our neurons, not just one neuron, but our neural pathways that come together with groups of axions and neurons. 

A hundred thousand to millions of mitochondria in that grouping, because again, our heart and our nervous system never turns off. It switches states, but it never turns off.

So for that nerve cell to send a signal, it has to generate an electrical impulse. Where does it come from? Or mitochondria? It has to generate the energy so that it can snap it this way and then snap it back that way and snap it. Now you got 30 trillion human cells in the body on average of 2000 mitochondria.

That's 64 Quadro mitochondria pumping up and down our bodies that exist just in us. Phenomenal stuff. So 

Jim: no wonder I'm tired. 

Al: Yeah, exactly. See what I'm saying? Now, and no wonder you're tired. And also then no wonder when you do wake up and you're feeling so good, you're like, I'm on fire. What does that mean?

That means all switches are go, you're ready to rumble And that's the difference. Going back to that. What would you say when you were, you're in kindergarten. Okay. 

Speaker 3: Yeah. 

Al: We just took you from kindergarten to, to present day, Jim, and now you understand why, and this is the importance of, the protocols you put together so you can keep that going.

Jim: Wow. I feel like a grownup now. 

Al: I'll send you a certificate of graduation. 

Jim: Alright. I appreciate it. Al thank you very much. Like I said, we, we will post in the show notes your website and especially the one for Healing Strong. So thank you so much for what you do and for the information that you poured into this little kindergartner.

Al: Ah, you're more than welcome. It's my pleasure, Jim. Thanks for taking and making the time. 

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