127: Woke Up Again Today: Cancer, Perspective, and Joining Jesus in the Present | Tim Timmons

Christian artist and songwriter Tim Timmons was given five years to live over two decades ago. Today, he's still waking up and marking each morning with an X on his wrist to prove it. In this conversation with host Jim Mann, Tim shares how a diagnosis of incurable cancer didn't become his story, but rather the soil in which a richer, more present faith grew. From the unexpected origins of the hit song "Even If," to his philosophy of breathing prayers and joining Jesus in the everyday, Tim offers a perspective that is equal parts honest and life-giving. Whether you're in the middle of a health crisis, a valley of your own, or just going through the motions, this episode is a reminder that today, just today, is the gift.

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Tim: I would not be the person I am. You would not be the person that you are today. You would not see the color that you see today. Whoever's listening, you would not be seeing the things that you're seeing today. I'm in, in no way am I saying cancer is great and what a great gift and this is a perfect thing.

Let's celebrate this. No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that God is at work in these things and there's just a different awareness in life that we can have if we choose to and if we don't some days. Okay, no shame in that. Just embrace it, cry. Be mad. God's big enough to handle our stuff. 

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Each week, we bring you stories of hope, real stories that will encourage you as you navigate your way on your own journey. To help. Now, here's your host, stage four Cancer Thriver Jim Mann. 

Jim: A little over four years ago, I sat down with Christian artist Tim Timmons in a studio in Nashville to talk about his journey with cancer.

In light of the movie, "I Can Only Imagine Two", which is currently in theaters. As I record this, we thought it would be a great idea to play this episode again now that his story has entered into our hearts. You just have to add four years to the dates as we talk. Sorry about the math, but. Here's my conversation with Tim Timmons.

Jim: Give us a little background. You're obviously in music. Yep. You've been in it for 

Tim: a year. Yeah, I've been it for a few years. Yeah. I came to this late, so I was a worship leader out in California. At a church out there called Mariners Church and for about 15 years, and it was such a great season of my life and we left there for a few different reasons.

And as we did, I think I met God. How's that for a pastor 

Jim: After church or during 

Tim: Yeah. Retirement. Exactly. I just, I had just been working for God for so many years and I was exhausted, 

Jim: so I was doing it on your own basically. 

Tim: Yeah. Not, not trying to, not doing anything. Yeah. Layman that way.

I just think I'm, I was, I just worked for him. It was like, okay, God, I'll do this, I'll do this. I'll try to evangelize, I'll try to write songs for you. And I was just done. So I quit working for God about 10 years ago and 10 or 11 years ago, and I just said, I'm just gonna walk with you. Let's just, whatever, if you're doing something cool and I get to join in, I'm in.

And at that point, I just started writing some different songs and I did a Kickstarter and then all the labels in Nashville started calling and saying, Hey Tim, you wanna be on a label? I'm like, I'm an old man. Why are you calling me? So that was really the start of my, music career. Was 10 or 11 years ago 

Jim: Now.

You grew up in, in California? 

Tim: Yep. Yep. My whole life was in Southern Orange County. Yep. 

Jim: And you got a big family, small family. 

Tim: I've got three si. I've got two sisters, and then I've got four kids and a wife, and we're married 24 years. 

Jim: Oh, wow. 

Tim: Yeah. 

Jim: You are old. 

Tim: Yes. I'm totally old. Yeah. 

Jim: Yet I soar above you, so 

Tim: I 

Jim: don't, yeah, 

Tim: I'm 32, so it's a good age.

It's a good ripe age. 

Jim: That's right. Of course, right now you do mostly songwriting and touring with your own music. Yes. And you just came up with a new album? 

Tim: I did. I did. It's called here. 

Jim: Yep. It's a live album, right? 

Tim: So it, there's, it's a studio record and then I did a live record on top of that.

Just it's I, these songs that I write, they're more prayers. So through my journey with cancer or my journey with so many of just the hard things in life. I found that I, we have so many songs that we sing on Sunday morning, if you will, or wherever the church gathers, but I wanted to write these.

I don't, I just don't call 'em songs. I call 'em prayers. So it's a prayer that I have to pray all week long. So that's really what this was for. So it, it felt more appropriate for me to sing these and pray these with a group of people. 

Jim: So 

Tim: that was the live record. It's really, it's a great record 

Jim: and it just came out not too long ago.

Tim: Yeah. 

Jim: I have listened to the whole thing. It's wonderful. 

Tim: Nice. 

Jim: Yes. Thank you. Not too bad. Thank you. I'm a little upset I wasn't on the album. 

Tim: Thank you. Yeah, totally. We called, it's in the mail, I think. The, 

Jim: oh, 

Tim: Yeah. The invitation's in the mail. It's a got, 

Jim: okay. COVID, 

Because we're actually sitting in Tim's studio right now.

Yep. 

Jim: And I was here. I brought my bass and everything. 

Tim: Yes. I thought it was a little weird when he brought his bass. I'm like, man, aren't we doing an interview? Yeah. 

Jim: Yeah. You just knew I was a little different. Yeah. So you just, that's good. So who are some of the I know your name is on a lot of songs that we listen to on the radio.

Yeah. What are some recent ones? I'm just nosy. 

Tim: Yeah, I think that one of my favorite songs, prayers I've ever written I wrote about six years ago and my label didn't want it. They said, it's not that good. And I'm like, guys, it's really good. Like it's, it, this is a really powerful prayer for me.

Like I, I think it hits me and it'll hit other people. And so it, we didn't use it. I just had this sense that it was for one of my best friends and he happens to be a singer that has also had a movie made after his life. That I can only imagine. Little thing, movie. 

Jim: I think I've heard of that. Yes.

Tim: Whatever on that, and Bart's one of my best friends, but I'm not gonna go to Bart and go, Hey man, I got a song that I think you should do. It's just, I don't wanna mix. That kind of business. And friendship. It's we're friends. I don't care about what he can do for me. So he was in this room and we he just, he was started crying and he was talking about his son with diabetes and just going through some hard stuff.

And he said the chorus of this song verbatim. It was crazy. And I remember just going, Hey, at the end I said, man, if this is just for us in this moment, can I just play this song, just this chorus? 'cause I think, I don't know, you just said it so you know, whatever. So I ended up playing the song and. We ended up rewriting the song, and it's called, even If So, it's a song that 

Jim: nice song 

Tim: is just, yeah, it's a beautiful prayer.

And so every night he says, this is for anyone who's had a bad day or having a bad day, and it really is. It's, even if God doesn't heal me, my hope is him alone, God alone. And it's less about the, even if part, actually it's more about the hope. And I think even in my life, I've always thought that hope was what God can do for me.

I hope he'll heal me. I hope he'll do this. He'll get me this job, he'll do this, X, Y, Z. But biblical hope is more about just God is hope in the middle of it all. So that's what that song is. That's probably the most well known one that I've written 

Jim: now. Lots of people. I love that song, by the way.

Thank 

Tim: you. 

Jim: Lots of people are not really privy to the fact that you have been battling cancer for a while. 'cause that's not your story, as I've heard you say. 

Tim: Yeah. 

Jim: It's just part of your life. 

Tim: Yeah. 

Jim: But when did that start? 

Tim: Yeah, thank you. And I say I appreciate you saying that. So people always ask me to tell my story and I say, I, you probably mean cancer, but that's not my story.

Like whoever's listening to this right now, if cancer is part of your journey, that's just not who you are. That's not your story. My story. For me, the way that I see it, is seeing God at work in the midst of my stuff, in the midst of this journey. So yeah, I was given five years to live 21 years ago.

So it's it's an incurable, I totally did. I'm, I've lived way past that. And yeah it, there are tumors still in my liver today that they say are wearing out my heart. But I keep waking up. Just every day I write this little X on my wrist 'cause I got up again today. So it's one of those things, the gift is perspective.

I wrote a blog called The Gift of Perspective or the Gift of Cancer. I said, and which just sounds like a terrible, asinine thing to say. Yeah. But. It really is perspective. We woke up again today. You've had your own journey, right? A few journeys in this. 

And whoever's listening, whether you are in the midst of a journey with cancer or divorce or just kids are going haywire or whatever it is, losing a job.

There's a gift of perspective there. Jesus I think was so wise when he said, so just don't worry about tomorrow. Don't give your attention solely to tomorrow. Just deal with the things that are in front of you today. So I'm just trying to give my attention to Jesus in the midst of today. 

Jim: So when, and I know what you totally mean, that cancer is not who you are.

Yeah. 'cause I even forget. I had cancer. Sometimes I'm like, oh yeah, some people ask me about it. They always, and they always do it in a whisper. How you feeling? It's what? I'm, 

Tim: I'm here. I'm feeling fine. 

Jim: Yeah. But when you first got diagnosed, it was like your life right then, wasn't it?

Yes. When you get smacked in the face oh, it's like you're just showing the back door of your life oh, is this it? 

Tim: Totally. 

Jim: Is that how you felt or, 

Tim: yeah I was 20. 22 or 23, something more somewhere in there. And. Yeah, that was such a crazy season. I love when people call me and say, or see me at a show and say, man, I was just diagnosed.

I don't love that part. Yeah. But I love being able to talk to them and talk to them through some of that stuff, because there's so much to learn about what you feel like you have to manage everybody else's expectations and their emotions, and there's just so much there. That I think the experience that I've had or you've had, we get to then walk with other people in the midst of that.

Jim: Oh, totally. I remember when I got my diagnosis, of course they didn't tell me at the time, but I had a month to live. 

Tim: Yeah. 

Jim: According to them. And Google said I wouldn't be here that time next year. I'm thinking about all these videos I gotta make for my kids. I got four kids also.

Totally. I'm like, ah, none of 'em are married. I gotta, talk about their wedding or graduation, whatever it is. 

Tim: Right. 

Jim: I said now I hate videos, I gotta comb my hair and everything. But then that did consume my thoughts. Yeah. Obviously. Yeah. And there was fear and I just lost it once. I cried like a little baby Oh yeah.

In my Jeep with tinted windows. Thank God. 

Tim: Yeah. Good for you. Well done. 

Jim: And then after that. It was like no big deal. 

Tim: Huh. 

Jim: And when I was in radio so I got a lot of feedback. Half a million listeners were like calling, not all of 'em obviously, right? Yeah. There were some who didn't. So I'm a little concerned about that.

Yeah. But lots of people called and I thought, man, this, it totally changed my perspective. 

Tim: Yeah. 

Jim: And God was like telling me. You are important, not more important than others. Or less important than others. Yeah. I have a purpose for you and apparently he's not done. 

Tim: Yeah. '

Jim: cause it's been five years.

My, 

Tim: yeah. We got up again today. 

Jim: Yeah. I gotta start putting that X on my wrist I think. 

Tim: Yeah. I use Sharpie. Oh. And so I had a doctor, I said, Hey man just shoot straight with me. Am I gonna get some other kind of cancer from doing this Sharpie cancer? And he literally, he said it was, he was so quick, he said have you ever heard of Sharpie itis?

And at first I'm like, oh no. Oh just, he totally got me if that does it, it the perspective, I'll take whatever that gives me. The perspective is such a gift. 

Jim: Yeah. Now when that happened, did your perspective change? I've used this illustration before where life before cancer was like in black and white compared to how it is.

After cancer. 'cause everybody, you know could die today. 

But when you are told you have cancer, you realize the reality of it. 

Tim: Yeah. 

Jim: And so everything becomes more vivid. 

Tim: Totally. 

Jim: And you do things more intentionally. Has that changed your life since 

Tim: your diagnosis? Oh, completely. I, this is such a crazy thing to say as well, but I wouldn't trade my experience with this for anything in the world.

Jim: Yeah. 

Tim: I just wouldn't, I would not be the man that I am today. Not that I'm. This awesome thing, but I think I've got a joy today that I don't know if I would've had without calamity and sorrow. I was teaching for my community and there were a bunch of families all in there and I don't, you guys just love me through this next phrase, but I just got fascinated about manure and I started thinking about manure and I just looked it up.

'cause I was thinking. Gosh, manure happens in life, it just does. Yeah. And I looked up manure. And manure. The definition says it is the agent that softens hardened soil. And I was talking about the four soils of the heart that Jesus talks about. And I was thinking, huh, if manure, the stuff of life, right?

The stuff that hits the fan, if you will, in life, the manure happens. If that actually, when that happens, it can either be this thing that just smells terrible or it can be the thing that also fertilizes the ground of our heart. The soil of our heart, that actually beautiful things grow out of it. That's where beautiful things grow is where manure is laid, right?

And so it, I was like, oh gosh, that's powerful. And that's really John 15, as he's talking about the vine and the branches. A lot is. Just out of these hard things, beautiful things can grow. So I've stopped I'm not inviting or asking God to give me calamity or sad things in my life, but I'm trying to welcome them in a different way.

Saying, okay, Jesus, there's more to be seen here. So what can I, what do I get to learn in this? Even if it's hard and I need to cry? And all those things, manure happens, but it grows beautiful things. 

Jim: I've never really, 

Tim: I know. It's so ridiculous focus. I've actually I'm writing a book I'm in the middle of writing a book called, sorry, not sorry.

And I'm I using that example. Yeah. But yeah. 

Jim: And mushrooms grow out of manure and they're very cancer fighting. Come on. Piece of 

Tim: food 

Jim: there. 

Tim: It is just really interesting when you start to think through how things grow. 

Jim: Yeah. 

Tim: And I would not be the person I am. You would not be the person that you are today.

You would not see the color that you see today. Whoever's listening, you would not be seeing the things that you're seeing today. I'm in, in no way am I saying cancer is great and what a great gift and this is a perfect thing. Let's celebrate this. No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that God is at work in these things and there's just a different awareness in life that we can have if we choose to and if we don't, some days, okay, no shame in that.

Just embrace it, cry, be mad. God's big enough to handle our stuff. 

Jim: Yeah. Obviously we don't wish cancer on anybody. No. But you're gonna go through a valley of some kind. 

Tim: Yeah. If, 

Jim: if you haven't already. If you're not in one right now. 

Tim: Yeah.

Jim: And it seems like you're in valley, after valley sometimes.

Like in the past six years I've not seen a mountaintop 

Tim: Yeah. 

Jim: For a while. But you do. After a while anyway, you feel the roots, how far down they've gone and how the next valley doesn't shake you as much. And sometimes I even forget I'm in the valley because I'm like, oh, that's right. My life is not real fun right now.

But. I got the joy of the Lord in me. 

Tim: Yeah. 

Jim: And it gives you, 

Tim: again, a different perspective. Yeah. My newest single, actually it's called, this is the Day. And in the bridge I, when I sing this live, I stop the bridge in this part and just try to let the lyrics just sit how deep this is, that I sing for joy in the valley where it grows.

If you just stop and think, oh gosh, I sing for joy in the valley where it grows. That's really where things are growing, is in those places. And again, this is not saying, man let's have more calamity. Wait a week, it's coming.

Jim: Yeah. 

Tim: But it's how we handle those moments and what we're looking at, where our attention is in those moments that really seems to matter.

Jim: If you don't have valleys in your life, that means you have died and gone to heaven. Yes, 

Tim: yes. 

Jim: There's no valleys there. Yeah. But until then, yeah. That's how, unfortunately, and that's the way God designed it. That we do grow in the valleys. He doesn't bring the valleys. Yeah. But he allows them to happen to somebody who is listening right now and they just got that diagnosis and they're in that stage where you know, life is at a standstill and they think it's over.

And you look back and you think what have I done with my life? I've wasted so many moments. And 

Tim: what would you say to them that will help them get a perspective on that? Gosh, the same thing I say to myself every morning when I write this X on my wrist. You woke up today. This is a new day. This is the day God that you've made.

Back to that song that I wrote, my, my singles, this is the day, and it's actually out of Psalm one 18. And the beginning and the end of Psalm one 18 are just a mess. It sounds like this happy go lucky song that we should really be excited to go sing with kids. And this is the day that you have made, but it was in a terrible time of calamity, sorrow, war.

All the things, and I guess it just, the gift is the past. Is the past. We, there are consequences and all those things that, that I deal with my own decisions or whatever that I've done or not done, but I woke up today. Jesus, what do you have for me today? So my life is, since I stopped working for Jesus, my aim is just to join him in whatever he's doing.

So he's making things new. He's bringing things that I've blown and maybe making beautiful things out of them. So for me, it'd be, let's just celebrate joining Jesus today. 

Jim: Yeah. 

Tim: And 

Jim: it wasn't like that 

Tim: before cancer was 

Jim: it? 

Tim: I think that would be the good Christian thing to say before that. Yeah. But then it was like, oh, and not an urgency as in, oh, I gotta do this, I gotta do this.

That kind of urgency, 

Jim: right. 

Tim: Of just saying, oh, okay. I woke up today. This is gonna be the gift that I'm gonna celebrate. And if I get up again tomorrow, let's celebrate again. I, people always have me send their friends a, an encouragement or a video encouragement, right? That are going, that just found out about cancer or something.

And I wish I had great things to say that were really gonna help 'em. And I'm always feel like maybe I should have something better. But really what I end up saying every time is for me, it's just celebrating today. 

We woke up today and if I get to join Jesus and what he's doing, and I have just a different set of eyes today, oh my gosh.

It just makes, if this is my last day, it makes it beautiful. 

Jim: And that's a, that's the mindset everyone should have with or without cancer, because That's true. You don't know if you're gonna last this day. Yeah. 

Tim: Yeah. Think of all the times that I've almost, you've almost gotten a car crash and you just, you all of a sudden stop and you go, oh my gosh.

I almost just died. And you just think of all the things you're thankful for in that moment, and then about five minutes later somebody calls and you're already thinking about something else. I think with this cancer stuff, it's this daily reminder for me, and it's part of my ex too, is on my wrist. It's just this daily reminder of, okay, you got today.

Today is the gift. Let's just join Jesus in this day. 

Jim: Yeah, one thing I think is very important, and it's something I am naturally. That way. My personality, I would like to think it's because I'm just that close to Jesus. 

Tim: Yeah. 

Jim: But I'm a happy go lucky kind of guy. Yeah. Anyway. And I see the glass half full.

Yeah. All the time. I think everything's gonna be fine. The grown ups are gonna take care of it. 

Tim: Right. 

Jim: I've always thought that it's really embarrassing, but I think you're kind also an up kind of guy or is 

Tim: Yeah. 

Jim: Or is that true? 

Tim: Yeah, that's true. Okay. I would say it's totally true. I think there's been a real, hopefully a deepening of that. 

That is less just pie in the sky, but I think this has helped even that Yeah. That I can go to deeper places than I would've been able to before. 

Jim: You just don't take life as seriously as far as problems and stuff are concerned? 

Tim: Oh gosh. I still do. There are different ones.

I think cancer I've done a lot of work with resigning and leaving the outcome off to God and saying, okay, I, I can't do much here. I eat healthy, I work out I pray and I see a doctor. I, yeah, we're just like, okay, let's, this is all I can hold. So I'm gonna leave the outcomes up to.

God and life, but there are other little things that happen in life as a dad being a dad to little kids and husband and my career that I sometimes start taking them too serious. Like I start putting my attention on those things when everybody else around me would say, isn't cancer the thing you should really be most scared about?

And. It just shifts in where I put my attention. And so one of the practices that we do with my thing that I'm most into, it's called 10,000 minutes, is that we put Jesus principles into practice every week. And one of the practices that we do all the time is. During my day, the thing that I do have is I have breathing.

I get to breathe every day, so I'm real thankful for that. 

Jim: You're good at that. 

Tim: Thank you. I'm pretty good at it. And so in my breathing and whoever's listening, you can breathe too. And what I do is I just breathe in Jesus and I breathe out. You have my attention. Breathe in Jesus. You have my attention. And that just is refocusing and reshaping my heart.

I actually think prayer is just focusing and refocusing and I. It's like aligning and realigning my heart to the heart of God all day long. That's what I really see prayer as. I pray to Jesus and whoever's listening may pray in some other way, but there's just, there's actual physiological stuff that happens as we breathe and control our breathing.

That's just beautiful. I think it's God designed. 

Jim: Yeah. When I, 

Tim: when I referred to having a, an upbeat, 

Jim: happy-go-lucky kind of personality that translates into our lives as in, not concentrating on the problems not getting all down because your body reacts to what you tell it. I know that sounds weird to some people, but it's just your attitude where you think, oh when you're diagnosed with, you have a month to live or six months.

You start thinking about that and your body starts saying, oh, I got six months. Gotta start shutting down. But yep. When you think, that's not who I am. God is in control of this. I'm gonna live each day. 

Tim: Yeah. 

Jim: When I wake up. 

Tim: Yeah. 

Jim: If I wake up in heaven, that's even better. 

Tim: Yeah. 

Jim: But your attitude has a whole lot to do with it.

And I never thought about that because I am just a simple tenant as I always say. Yeah. Which has helped me. But I had somebody, the radio call in and he said, I, I used to be really down on myself 'cause I had six months to live and I was just giving up. And then I heard Jim, I don't like to speak of myself in third person.

Yeah. But he was telling somebody else, here. He just jokes about his cancer and he acts like nothing's wrong. He goes, so it encouraged me to be positive and I've blown past that six months and I'm doing better and yeah, tumors are shrinking. I'm like, not that's, hey, don't worry about it.

Just be happy and right. Cancer will go away it's about not focusing on your problems no matter what they are. Whether it's cancer or, are you having marriage issues? Yeah. Or whatever, just focus on God. And it seems like everything was just come into place when you put him first.

Tim: Yeah. Yeah. I heard, I totally agree that there's, there are powerful things that happen in our minds. It, the mind is an actual gift from God. It sounds like, people would think this is some new age thing, but it's actually a gift from God. Our minds 

Jim: just design, 

Tim: right.

We're designed to work with our bodies. I know a lot of people who aren't here anymore that were really. Positive and believed and all those things too. So it's not this like cure all, but it definitely makes, there's something there that, that Western medicine does not understand yet. And I don't know what that is yet, but there's something there.

There's so much there actually. But, 

Jim: yeah. Tim, in closing, what do you see coming down the road? I know you live each day at a time, but five years down the road, if God allows you to wake up every morning. 

Tim: Yeah. 

Jim: On this side of heaven. 

Tim: Yeah. 

Jim: Where do you see things going with your ministry or with your life?

Tim: Oh gosh. So five years down the road. I think the thing I love, I'm doing a podcast every week with a few great artists and with artists and speakers and authors and so we're, that's been one of my favorite things we're doing recently besides music that I'm doing is, it's called 10,000 minutes.com and the podcast is called The 10,000 Minute Experiment.

So that's been really fun too. To learn through. We're just learning through how do we practice joining Jesus as a collective group. 

Jim: Yeah. 

Tim: Musically, I'm just gonna keep writing prayers 'cause that's what I love to do and I, there are prayers that I need, so if you guys wanna check out some of that music, just go to Tim Timmons anywhere and you'll hear the prayers that I get to write and hopefully you can pray 'em with me.

And I just, yeah I keep trying to learn how to be a dad that. I know my kids are gonna be in therapy at some point. That's just how it works. But I'm trying to minimize 

Jim: because you're their dad 

Tim: be of course. As great of a dad as anybody could be. It's like they're still gonna have things that they just are going, ah, I was hurt by this.

So I just, I wanna, I want to keep being a better dad and a better husband in the next five years. And if I can nail that as good as I can, then I'm doing pretty well. 

Jim: Obviously you don't wanna go before your time and you got young kids Yes. And a wife. And obviously you don't want to leave all that.

You wanna see that? 

Tim: Yeah. 

Jim: Pan out. But since the cancer thing, do you like see death as something not to fear at all? Something that you almost look forward to besides the fact of leaving? 

Tim: I surely don't look forward to it. 

Jim: Right. 

Tim: And maybe I should in some like holy way. I just don't, I think I'm, yeah.

I want be there for my kids. If you wanna get me crying, we can start talking about my kids and seeing them as we Are you nervous? No, you just, you get it. It's that, ah, I wanna watch them. Like you said, I wanna watch them get married. I wanna see them, all that stuff. And I just found that I was future tripping so much.

In my heart. 

I was literally going places that God is not, and I wanna stay in the present. Moment with in the presence of God. And so it was just became this thing of I, okay, I can future trip and that's fine. If I need to go there and I need to cry a bit, that's fine. No shame attached to that, but I don't wanna live in those places, right?

And so I've tried to live going, this is my hope for my work and for my ministry and for my life. And leaving the outcome up to him has been such a gift. So that just, that's why I joined him today. 

Jim: I like where you are. 

Tim: Yeah. 

Jim: You've grown up so much. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. Alright, so people want to find out more about 

Tim: you, just go to your website.

They can go to tim timmons music.com, or 10,000 minutes.com. 

Jim: Alright. 

Tim: Thank you, Tim, for joining. Yeah, and thanks for opening up your studio. 

Jim: You're 

Tim: welcome. All right. Let's play some base.

Jim: Obviously he would answer that question about five years down the road differently since four years later. There's a movie about him in theaters that just goes to show you only God knows what the future holds, so relax and give the controls to him. I know he's just waiting for Brad Pitt's schedule to open up to play me and my movie.

So I'm patiently waiting. 

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