How I Overcame Depression To Starting a Business

EPISODE SUMMARY:

 In this episode, we speak to Avi who studied maths at university but did not enjoy his analyst roles after graduating. He pursued his passion for fitness and became a personal trainer.  Unveils how he struggled with depression for years due to letting responsibilities pile up and disappointments. Moving to Cardiff helped him realize he needed to change. His parents initially disapproved of him not following a traditional career path but are now supportive since he is doing well.

KEY TAKEAWAYS:

1. Take responsibility and respond to issues instead of letting them pile up. Avi's depression was caused by letting responsibilities and disappointments accumulate over time.

2. Have a "why". Knowing your deeper purpose and motivation can help you overcome challenges and stay motivated. Avi's "why" is to help others who struggle with depression and to make his parents proud.

3. Focus on progress, not goals. Avi realized that as long as he keeps working towards his goals, he is making progress, so he should be happier with where he is now instead of obsessing over reaching a goal every day.

BEST MOMENTS:

"I understand like this, the signs that will tell me okay, maybe I'm a bit depressed right now. Yeah. So probably evaluate my life a little bit and see what needs to be tuned up a little bit. So I can stop feeling this way."

"The day the goal is to be happy."

"The results are the things that that motivate you to keep going. That's to say, that's, that's why you go to a coach, because you're a bit frustrated. They you want to get the results you want. Just have someone to keep you accountable and stay on track and tweak things when it needs to be tweaked. It's always helpful."

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Transcript

Ree  0:02  
Hey guys, and welcome to the entrepreneur heroes Show. Today we have got Mr. Avi

Unknown Speaker  0:08  
boozing now, Colin, how's it going?

Avi  0:11  
What's going on, man? I mean, you're taking up the whole screen of the Zoom guys, you know? Nothing wrong, your screen nothing wrong. He's just, he's a big unit mate. So what's happening?

Unknown Speaker  0:24  
And how much man just obviously had worked this morning, transplants, and here I

Ree  0:29  
am. Excellent man. So it's been a busy day for you. And it's kind of get even busier right now. So thank you very much for coming on the show today. As you guys can see on the title below, you know, it's how I became how I overcame depression, to starting the business. So we've got a man himself, you know, kind of delve into, you know, where you're at right now, this is the, like, where you were like, Let's talk about actually, you know, just talk about your interest. Because you've been on a funny journey. We had a quick brief before here. And yeah, just tell everyone like, who you are. What do you do now? And what kind of got you into it.

Unknown Speaker  1:14  
So my name is Avi producing, as you just heard. I am a personal trainer at the moment. And I also have a soon to be online coaching company, via I'm part of a team work with an it's three of us, and have his own personal trainer right now. And in the past, I was have a maths degree. So I've come out of uni, sort of wondering why I wanted to do in my life, I pursued the mastery route. So I was in a few analyst roles. And I sort of figured I didn't enjoy it. And an awful lot, let me try something completely different. And I went into personal training, which I really love, and enjoy. I've been doing that for about three years now. And reason why I went into personal training. Well, I've been in the gym since I was about 1617 and 29 are going to be 29. A much. So it's just pure enjoyment. I basically I have pursued my passion and fitness. As cliche as it sounds. And yeah, that's me.

Ree  2:19  
That's brilliant, man. Brilliant to hear because, like you said, you follow the dream and whatnot. Like, forget remove out of the way man like you studied maths people, like, you know, when you study maths people expect you to go be a flippin rocket science, or, you know, to pursue the route you done. So what, what made you go and pursue that route? Like, is it you know, I'm not ever gonna question that you tell me.

Unknown Speaker  2:46  
Yeah, well mainly pursue the maths route or the plus? No. So

Ree  2:49  
obviously, you've got maths, and then you send your first journey into the working world was the analyst roles. So yeah, why did you go from matched to there?

Unknown Speaker  3:00  
Okay, so good question. So, basically, one day I was just sat in an office, and I was just going on with the general things you do day to day answering emails, doing all the tasks, and then it got down to the day. And I was like, in the back of my mind, I've just been thinking about thinking about going to the gym all day. At the same time, I wasn't particularly happy with my life. During that day to day, sort of gang up going for the nine to five, I felt like I was a bit of a cog in the machine. And I've no problem with someone being a cog in the machine. But I just felt like that wasn't for me.

Ree  3:43  
To remind. So yeah, just to go back to cut you off. So when you're done your maths degree, so now you've finished uni, you graduated, everyone's telling, you know the word Joy, I start going claim it. And then how did you go from finishing uni to getting into the analyst? Profession? Oh, why? Really?

Unknown Speaker  4:04  
But back from Okay, so this is more of a, I guess, an expectation thing. Growing up, like my parents always pushed me into education. And it's, um, I wanted to go get like a part time, job time, some money to go to all my friends will give you money. Just focus on your studying, you don't need that much responsibility right now. And I guess I just always went down the academic route. Obviously, my parents are just trying to give me an easy life. They're looking out for me. I've no problem with that. And, you know, I sort of went down academic route and all I really knew was, I have to study I have to get a degree. I have to go and walk in an office after be like one of these, you know, city workers. You know, when people think of success, they think suits suitcase, or whatever, like that clock can sort of

Avi  4:50  
run off in just like this. I think of tracks into me. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  4:56  
Yeah, exactly. Like that's obviously changed over the years but At the time, I didn't know any better. So that's that's why for sort of first what you thought

Ree  5:04  
so you get this kind of drummed in from maybe your school life, your peers and family life is that okay? Like, have you got maths degree? Like you need to go into office, you need to do this job. That's the kind of measure of you and that pressure was on you. And I mean, did you feel if you didn't do that, you'd be a disappointment.

Unknown Speaker  5:25  
Exactly that man. So like, I always fought for art school, like, I don't actually enjoy what I'm doing how I'm gonna, like, I'm not sort of tooting my own horn or being big headed. But I was good at all the subjects I chose to do. Yeah, I was always quite academic. But I didn't enjoy it. And it was always Jordan's my head that I had to go and do this and do that. But then I never really got to think about why I actually wanted to do. And so sort of that, well. I went into the real world. And I realized, well, I don't want to do what I've been told to do my whole life, I'm going to do my own thing.

Ree  5:57  
How long did that? How long? Did you fester? With that inside you obviously you're unhappy, doing this role? Felt that you're just doing it to please everyone around you. And obviously, you've been unhappy? So how long were you unhappy for? And when did you when was that light bulb? That light bulb moment? Heavy? What the fuck? Are you doing?

Unknown Speaker  6:20  
The light bulb moment for me? I guess it was always that. But one actually realized that and for what am I doing? My life was when I moved to Cardiff, which was who? How long ago was this now? Maybe in 2000. And the first slide personal training 2019 to about 2017 2018. Yes, when I moved out, I moved to Cardiff, I sort of left to my own vices. And just I guess, through having more responsibility, through just being outside of my comfort zone and left to sort of fend for myself. I realized, okay, there is a lot more to life. And I'm selling myself short here. And that's just how I sort of went on that path. And that's how I ended up personal general, sort of from work while I was to now. Okay, have

Ree  7:12  
a nice, it's great, man. And I mean, I think I think just that that small journey, that's more epiphanies is great. And I hope that anyone watching listening now can maybe you've been in that boat, where you've studied something, and there's an expectation on your shoulders. Because if I look on my map, some scientific economic, accounting, whatever, you know, you think you are and you have to go and do that. Abby's said, he's broken the mold, and he had to leave, you have to leave your house, you have to leave home? And was it living after the first time when you went to hang out

Unknown Speaker  7:45  
for the first time now?

Ree  7:46  
What was the what was it like a home when you broke it to your parents? Because obviously, they've kind of wanted you to do this. Obviously, they want the best for you. And then, you know, get a massive grieving, go and do this job.

Unknown Speaker  8:01  
Yeah, I mean, I'm very lucky. And many ways that my parents are my parents, because my dad is a very, you know, my parents and my dad's more aggressive. He's a bit more loud, less. My mom's a bit more calm and peaceful. So when I broke the news to them, my dad desire Yeah, good. Go, go and pursue like your own life. Go do your thing. Yeah, my mom was leaving home. She was upset, because I'm the youngest. So she was like, very distraught by that. But eventually, I did it. And they were very supportive the whole week. So it wasn't a thing.

Ree  8:37  
It was brilliant man. And it's good that you said that you've had to, to make a change to, to kind of get unstuck. And even though that so that changed when you decided, right? I'm going to go home, you're going to do more analyst work in cardio, or do not have any any anything planned.

Unknown Speaker  8:56  
I continued with the analysts luck, I then I eventually in Cardiff, I realized, well, I don't actually enjoy this. So why am I still trying to do this, and I just got a fuss around January time in 2019. I decided to sort of pursued a personal training thing. I needed like an income in the meantime to pay my bills. So I also had a, an SI but I was a security guard. Okay, down on the weekends and a Monday to Friday, I worked during an admin role in an office. I was working two jobs, pay my bills, studying pt. And so I've eventually sort of made that jump. So you,

Ree  9:32  
you basically replicated the journey your parents done to when they come here do multiple jobs to kind of to break away except this time you haven't just stuck in the job because you've decided Alright, I'm going to be a business owner. I want to do this I want to serve people use my passion and basically turn to profit is this what I don't be for you oppression? Yeah, make it so. You know, we talk about the title of the podcast, right? Like how overcame depression. So when did you start to make? Maybe you didn't realize you were depressed? I don't know. What was that journey? Like when did it begin? When did you realize shit I am suffering and obviously you're a big guy like yeah, we go like you can't go and tell people you know like I'm sad or I'm not happy and people will be like what the fuck man? Okay you you bench five you flippin deadlift 500 kilos and you're moaning like I understand, man. So how when did you realize and how did you kind of get through it?

Unknown Speaker  10:35  
I mean, so here's the thing with depression, it wasn't something I could pinpoint a particular time and it wasn't like a particular moment where it just sort of ended. It's something that I feel like, it's everyone has a tendency to get depressed if we don't handle our responsibilities in life. And there's going to come a point where those responsibilities that you don't handle are going to pile up, and it's just going to blow up in your face. That's going to happen to everyone, no matter who you are. And I think for me, when that sort of started piling up was an education. So so my, obviously my mum and dad, they come from Mauritius, from like, compared to my upbringing, like they were they had nothing like a meat this week, like for dinner, that was a big thing to put up.

Avi  11:25  
Yeah, eight meters, eight meat dishes per day. Yeah, I

Unknown Speaker  11:29  
have about. Exactly. And unlike my, my, my dad's mum couldn't afford to put him through like his GCSE s. So like, all of that stuff, which which. And then, as I was growing up, I always took care of him for like, for advantage, took advantage of everything. So my parents would always try to push, like, I need to work hard, I need to be responsible, I need to be very, like, you know, independent, I was always used to being very comfortable, because they provided me a very comfortable life. So going through education, I would always take advantage, like, I'd always disregard the fact that I had to work for something because I was so used to getting things given to me. Yeah. And for my GCSE is like, I will just close through it. Because again, um, I don't know why but I am good at anything that I choose to do. I didn't put in a lot. And I was going through my GCSE with like, B's and C's, then it goes on to my levels on getting through on like CS and uni, that sort of turn into a car crash until final year when I managed to turn around. And I guess just the guilt of all of that letting my parents down over the years. And then something else that happened. I got into a relationship when I was in my second year of uni. And sort of going through that we was together for two years of it. And and sort of the breakup, that that that ruined me, I think that was probably like the plant lack and say, Okay, now I'm depressed. Because everything that I'd sort of not done in regards to academics, and, and everything that sort of happened in that relationship just blew up in my face. And I was like, Okay, I'm not in a good place right now. And then, on top of that, I went into the real world, the sort of nine to five job, and just all these things. In my head, it was just like, Yeah, I'm a good writer. I should probably try to figure my way out of this. But it sort of stuck around for a good few years. And so I moved to Cardiff and I was like, it's probably time to fight back and just stop living with these thoughts in my head. Yeah. And and since then, like, I'm not gonna say, everyday is perfect, and I'm fucking happy as hell. It's not like that. It's just no, I'm, I understand like this, the signs that will tell me okay, maybe I'm a bit depressed right now. Yeah. So probably evaluate my life a little bit and see what needs to be tuned up a little bit. So I can stop feeling this way.

Ree  14:02  
So it's been just just listening and absorbing what you're saying. It's been a pattern of you. Not taking responsibility, letting things slowly continue to pile up, pile up, you don't respond to it, you just let it go over your head, and then boom. So that same pattern that you were running was the same. Dumb if I'm wrong, because the same pattern you're running in that relationship? Yeah. And when it didn't happen, and you just let everything happen. You didn't take responsibility. That's when it blew up in your face.

Unknown Speaker  14:33  
Exactly. That Yeah, exactly.

Ree  14:35  
So that moment where you said, Fuck it, you left home was a massive, like, for me hearing that. It's like, it sounds like it's a massive breakaway for you because you're in that environment where every day you come home and you're like, fuck, like, I'm unhappy. You see your parents I'm going to disappoint them. So I think like you getting out of that was like a major thing like your route to kind of acceptance and recovery, like, it's

Unknown Speaker  15:06  
really massively, because that the reason why I chose Cardiff, I've got a friend out there. So when I was depressed, I sort of turn to a few people. And obviously, as you said, like, people were looking at me, but you can't be depressed, like Lucky. Man, only one friend, the one who lives in Cardiff, sort of took it in. And he was like, if you need to talk to us, come talk to me. Yeah. And like, I think I appreciate that a lot. And I still appreciate it to this day. So yeah, if he's watching shotty

Ree  15:40  
Good day, so. So you don't like hearing that senior people can see that your, your big unit? So forget the size of a man like I think the whole thing of being a man. Yeah. You know, it's been like that forever, like, be a man, you can't be emotional, you can't say certain stuff, you can't act like certain stuff and being like, you know, muscular, tough guys even worse, because you you, you have even less opportunity to, to do that. And, and, you know, there's some, some people ain't gonna, like I'm about to say, but some men right now, they're in relationships with women. And when these men open up to women, you women, then go and put it back on the mountain, or you know what, I want him to be emotional, then when he starts to open up, you pacify him and make him feel like shit. So, you know, what, if you don't allow him to open up, he ain't going to be able to get through it. And if you can't get through it, how are you going to have a better, you know, live relationships as a unit, you have to work together? So. So what was hard for you then? Like, why? How did you reach out to people and what was stopping you reaching out to people?

Unknown Speaker  16:54  
Um, pride, to be honest, I always cared too much about what people thought about me. And I guess that held me back in a sense. So like, I didn't want people to think I was weak or emotional, or this or that, but that's just me. And at the end of the day, like, I got over that by just learning what I wanted to do in life and learning who I was. I found my purpose. Exactly. When

Avi  17:24  
you say purpose was what helped you overcome an X? What was it except the depression or overcome it?

Unknown Speaker  17:32  
Except that I don't think it's something you can ever get over? It's something that's always gonna be there. Yeah. And you can ever use it as a superpower. Yeah. And learn to use it for your own development. Or you can turn it into something that's demonized. And you can, you know, let it keep you down and turn you into something that you don't want to be. So, you know, that's just the flat everyone has to sort of choose, what do they want to make of it? This is going to happen, something's gonna happen that might make you feel depressed. How do you overcome that? That's just part of the journey, I guess.

Ree  18:07  
So now, you mentioned that. So everyday now. Now now you've accepted it. You said right now I've been depressed. I've been happy. I've sorted out my life now. How do you deal with it now? Like, obviously, not every like so not every day, you're going to feel happy, super happy. Because that life don't exist. Shit happens. Life throws curveballs. So how do you like, you know, if you woke up today, you're feeling a bit, like, depressed or signs that you're not happy? Like, yeah, how to how do you fix that?

Unknown Speaker  18:37  
So that one goes a bit deep. So recently, I've been thinking about sort of my life goals and how I sort of want to progress. And then I sort of thought about, and I thought, well, I'm doing what I want to do. And if I keep working someday, I'm going to end up where I want to be. So why am I so concerned with reaching a goal every day, when I'm already sort of on the way to, to where I want to be? So like, the biggest thing for me was just to accept where I am and be happier. Well, I've got Yeah, because it could all be gone somewhere. And that's just life.

Ree  19:18  
Now the great thing, man, I mean, yeah, it's you know, you you're tuned into you now is that fuck everyone else. I mean, did you just want to offset so I was doing you in the fitness industry? And you know, your online coaching business. And you know, you know, who's who in your industry, you see who's doing what, so how is other people's success? Like, you know, maybe you're on social media in Uganda and you see their success. I mean, can that make you feel shit about yourself and your journey?

Unknown Speaker  19:51  
Um, when I when I was like, going through it, and I didn't really know what I wanted out of life. Yes, for sure. I used to scroll through have social media and honestly, and always be comparing myself. But nowadays, I don't really pay attention to anything online. I only pay attention to the people that actually like, in front of me that I know, clients, friends family, like only pay attention to that podcast. What was that podcast host? Exactly. So like anything that was anything that's on my social media I don't really pay attention to unless it's for like, if I need to come to like create content or something for Spartan omics, I just have a quick look of what's out there, what people are talking about. And I use that to mold my own sort of challenges and chatter.

Ree  20:43  
Last weekend, man so So you've done your your PT stuff, now you're on this journey, you you've overcome the, I think the acceptance of that depression, you've changed this pattern now. So you're no longer just letting shit pile up. You're taking responsible responsibility, no matter how hard how hard it is. Yeah. And now you've you've kind of gone in to the PT world. And you're, you're starting your business. Now, you started your business now. So what made you realize now you're in the, you know, you're doing what you want. Now you're turning your passion into profit, you're being a PT, you're helping serving people. So what made you think, Alright, you know, what I need to now do my own business?

Unknown Speaker  21:27  
Well, so the way the fitness industry is, this very, so there's very low barriers to entry, as a PT, anyone become a PT, and anyone can have a PT business. And, you know, you can PT for however long you want, when you go realize, like, clients, they want to train at half, six in the morning, they want to train at eight 9pm at night. And, you know, whilst I'm young and single, I have time for that. If I was to not have a family in a few years, I don't really have time for that. So I'd rather be sort of more selective when when life it sort of expects a bit. Yeah, I got, I got to think ahead in that respect. For eventually, when I do have a family. So I went into the sort of online world so I can, you know, manage my own hours a bit more, I can have something that I can just work on. And, again, I'm speaking years ahead, but when the kids are at school, we have just sold Walkman and stuff and I don't have to be in a gym, at the store, drop them off to school, yeah, on and so forth. So it's just more forward thinking. And at the same time with with online, you have the power to reach so many more people with a sort of message. Yeah, yes, that's why I've gone into online.

Ree  22:43  
Brilliant. So it's good because you, you know, that interest that you sent for ages now, it's, it's a real life business, which he said you work on your own terms, you know, people that are in a nine to five or you know, even other PTS, right? When I'm in the gym at six, you know, I see PTS with people and I'm sure like you said, I'm the same PTS are training people at night. So they're trading a lot of time for money. But then like, by doing it online, obviously, the world is shifted a whole lot of online now. So you need to do that. So I think it's great. I think it's a great business. And I think more people should be more aware of these kind of businesses and use it because, you know, I've had PTS, online coaching, nutrition and all that and it helps like you might not think is going to help but just having that accountability, someone checking, like what you've been eating, that's the difference. Because, you know, if I'm, you know, working three, four weeks with someone, if I decide that I'm going to stop and go one month by myself, I would hope these patterns are already in me. So I'm gonna you know what you're saying the yo yo life, this is like, a lead to a better life.

Unknown Speaker  23:57  
Yeah, that's the thing, like the results are the things that that motivate you to keep going. That's to say, that's, that's why you go to a coach, because you're a bit frustrated. They you want to get the results you want. Just have someone to keep you accountable and stay on track and tweak things when it needs to be tweaked. It's always helpful. Exciting. The day the goal is to be happy.

Avi  24:18  
Exactly. So what's your equation of happiness? You're the mathematician

Unknown Speaker  24:23  
equation for happiness. Okay, so plus, and plus, I'd work okay, but the plus side work equals happiness. Okay.

Avi  24:34  
All right. And it took you a long time to figure it out.

Unknown Speaker  24:38  
Yeah, 100% Especially the hard work but because I didn't. I didn't have that instilled in me as a kid. That was really easy for your maths degree. I ended up getting a two.

Ree  24:51  
Okay, so you can see 1000s of equations 1000s of hours studying maths, and probably took him about 25 years to figure out to do things. Yeah. You know, what is silly is or making sound obviously it's life experience, right? And sometimes, that's the thing because you have to go through the experiences to decide what is your common denominator? What is your content in life, right? Like, you know, my constant his life. He knows my family, my wife, my daughter, I know that they're there to support. And then other things that come and people come and go. The common denominator is if their negativity, I close them out. Yeah, exactly. By the way, my math teacher if you're watching this, you gave me a D. Yeah, Mr. Lucia, man, you gave me a different mask that used to put me on the spot in the class make me feel shit. So I have noted down that equation. Yeah. But no, it's great, man. So now now you're doing this business? How's your family about that? Because obviously, you've mentioned that their their dream is you to work to kind of, you know, follow the usual path, how they buy.

Unknown Speaker  26:02  
So obviously, like, when I first came into this, when I said, I want to do PT, my mom was like, Yeah, fair enough. Like, if it makes you happy, then go ahead. Probably since I was a bit down. On my sister, she was she was like, You should have been a PT from 18. Because she could tell I was obsessed with it. And my dad was a lie, you're gonna go work in a gym for like, you get like gonna become a personal trainer. And he didn't speak to me for a few weeks. And then, obviously, we started speaking again. And eventually I came into making some decent money as a PT, and he was a he actually done pretty well.

Ree  26:40  
I did offend him when he said that. I'm

Unknown Speaker  26:43  
pretty good. Because so when I was growing up, so a few times, I think my GCSE is, on my level was one of them. My dad goes to when I told him my results, he goes to me, you're a disappointment. At the time, obviously, like, just a number. I can look back at it and off. And on, obviously, with the whole uni thing. He said something a bit similar, but a bit more profound. And then yeah, and then obviously hearing him say that when like, he still says it to this day. Now you're doing well, actually feels pretty good.

Ree  27:21  
It's good, because it's like, you know, just these questions. I'm trying to understand I'm not no flippin. I don't know what people call it. But, you know, just understand now, because a lot of a lot of like, how we are, is because of certain things that happen to us mentally when we're young when we're growing up. And we're constantly trying to, to not be that what someone said, or constantly trying to prove. And obviously, you can tell your disappointment to everything you're doing. It's fighting not to be to disappoint your parents, your dad again,

Unknown Speaker  27:55  
it's funny, because So again, when I was like, in my downloads, everyone is telling me what to do in my life, and so on and so forth. My mom goes to me, someone says something you disagree with, it goes in one ear and out the other. You know, my dad goes to me if someone says something you disagree with if you prove them wrong. Two opposing views, then it was just like both, both of them like that they they resonated with me in a different way.

Avi  28:23  
But it's good, because what he told you was exactly what you've done to him when he

Unknown Speaker  28:30  
as he said that, I'm gonna prove you wrong.

Ree  28:34  
And I guess herein lies is great, man. Because yeah, yeah. So nice. Brilliant story, man. I think you're very inspirational. And we're talking about the business. So why don't you like you just give us a little bit of primer about your business, it's going to be in the description on the video and audio it is.

Unknown Speaker  28:53  
So I am part of team sport and omics. And we are free guys who have spent many, many years now, probably each of us about 12 years, or somewhere around now. And fitness, where we've read every online article, we've read all the men's health magazines, they still make those anymore. And we've watched every majority of YouTube fitness videos over the years between us. And we've also made many mistakes between us when it comes to training, especially with regards to just getting stronger, getting shredded, so on and so forth. And whilst balancing it with, you know, going to uni going into full time work. We've been there we've done that. And we sort of fought to come together to next button on next. So there's multiple elements to it. We've got the member site, which is where you can go to sort of learn about your nutrition, lifestyle, in graining habits and instilling routines that will ultimately lead you to success. We've also got the UK Learn how to program when you can learn how to how to lift. So we break down every sort of exercise down to sort of biomechanics and make it all very accessible to everyone. And then we've also got exercise library, which has a ton of videos on that, again, as we have a self assessment on every of our exercises, which teaches you how to lift according to your structure, for example, does this vary. Everyone thinks you should squash the grass? Well, no, that's going to be dictated by hip structure. Some hip structures are allowed to squat all the way down versus others, you're only going to get to about hip level. And for the person that only squats about hip level, in order to make up that the remainder of that distance, something else takes over, which is usually the lower back. And if you're loading the low back, well, you're no longer loading the muscles that you're intending to work. So the exercise library has a whole bunch of self assessments that looks at the squat, the deadlift, bench press, overhead press, any lift, you name it, we've got a self assessment for it. And there's also a home exercise section on exercise library. So that's sort of one side of things. And then we've got the online coaching side of things that's going to launch. In the next month or so. We're hoping for the first week of Feb, and second week of Feb. So online coaching, that's the calm. And with the online coaching, we're very tailored, very precise. So we'll look at your data week to week, we analyze how you move. So if you have any sort of technique issues to send over to us and give you that sort of WhatsApp feedback, if you want it straight away or over on our wiki, very personal, then very personal. Everything we do is very tailored to you how you're structured, how you sort of go about your day is what is your routine, like? We consider everything. And we give you a program. So you can sort of train and make progress without killing yourself and doing excellent,

Ree  31:57  
nice. Sounds really good. I think. Probably I think what I think a lot of people might be watching this. I think that that self assessment thing sounds really good. So I think let's, let's bring you back again, let's do like a video tutorial for like the people that are in offices, those kind of people. And probably will get some value of it. And it's good to hear because every time I hear a self assessment, I'm not sure I got paid another big tax bill. So it's a nice. I like no, I think it's really good. I think it's a hell of a lot of comprehensive stuff. So, you know, I think I'm going to give you gives you guys a shout as well. Because to get to get my accountability done, because it'd be great. And anyone that's listening to this, when you if you want to join up with these guys mentioned entrepreneur heroes, and you might get yourself a little discount,

Unknown Speaker  32:51  
we can, because there's something up, there is a two week free trial right now to the member site. If anyone wants to check it out. Just head over to our social media page, click the link in the bio and you'll find it. Excellent.

Ree  33:04  
Nice. This is good. I think just hearing is very interesting. It's like you mentioned people looking on you. You've done your research, data analysis. And there's a lot of stuff out there. Like, just ask the grace thing. Like I used to think that I used to think oh, yeah, I need to do that. I need to strengthen everything. And a few times I injured my lower back because of that. So clearly, my hip fracture is not right.

Unknown Speaker  33:27  
Yeah. And at the same time, I do work in a gym that specializes in low back sort of rehabilitation, performance RX and north northwest

Ree  33:39  
kids, it just keeps going man I

Unknown Speaker  33:42  
go by, so when it comes to sort of movement, I've sort of put enough enough hours in the gym floor and everything to sort of have a keen eye for what I'm talking about. And if

Ree  33:58  
anyone's worrying, like maybe maybe stand up, stand up, sit down. Yeah, so like, he's a big guy. He's got a lot of stuff. Okay, so another thing, right? I know, you know, you mentioned before from your social media, have a look at your powerlifting right. So what is your PBS for squat bench and deadlift?

Unknown Speaker  34:19  
So I'm not powerlifting at the moment, but when I was powerlifting 210 kilos on the squat. My bench wasn't great, but 140 kilos was my max and then deadlift 250 kilos.

Avi  34:32  
And that very light, your power to rate ratio is huge. On Yeah, so

Unknown Speaker  34:36  
I hit the 210 one I was at eight kilos. 250 was around the same weight. And the one for Al was around 100 kilos body weight. So yeah, a bit heavier for that one.

Ree  34:47  
Cool. So and so just the reason I'm saying that is because you've done stuff at a high level where you've put a lot of stress on your body. You're you're teaching and you're learning about injury prevention. So, you know, if anyone's just thinking, you know, like, he's just working, he's gonna He's trust me, he's, he's been through it. He's worked his way up. He's got the injuries, he's lifted a hell of a lot of weight. And he knows the now is probably not what you thought it was. It's down to different components of your body. So I think it's a very interesting take. And I think this is good. What's happening, like what you guys are doing in the industry? Because, you know, the first few pts and stuff I've used is just cookie cutter stuff, or they just give you the same crap. And then you have have one cool and nothing changes.

Unknown Speaker  35:41  
Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, that's, that's the sort of thing that we're against as well, because, well, I'm against personally, because I just hate that so many, you know, because there's so many people in industry. And you know, what, what separates a good quote from a bad coach, not much, the sort of everyday person can't tell, you can only see how well they market themselves, how good they look, so on and so forth. And, hey, if they look good on social media, then they're probably going to make good money. Yeah, obviously, than being a good coach. And they're going to have the same cookie cutter approach to everything. And they're gonna hurt a lot of people, which, you know, that's not cool.

Ree  36:18  
Because it's a similar pattern that you had, you're running that same pattern, and it blew up in your face. So these kinds of same patterns of doing the same shit, people aren't going to get the result and it'll blow up in their face.

Unknown Speaker  36:31  
Exactly. And there's no wonder, CFO

Ree  36:35  
and blame everyone else.

Unknown Speaker  36:36  
Yeah, really, you can just take responsibility for it and just go on with your life.

Ree  36:42  
So that was one more thing. And yeah. Actually, a couple more things. So what do you say to these influencers, these deadly celebrities that were super overweight, are now you know, have lost weight quite quickly. And now all of a sudden, our fitness guru selling programs?

Unknown Speaker  37:07  
Well, first of all, like well done for losing weight. But that doesn't make you a sort of expert in losing weight. Now, just because you've done something on yourself, it doesn't mean it's now a valid sort of thing that you've done, basically, for lack of better explanation. When we look at it, and think of it in terms of an experiment now on research, that experiment, and the same outcome only becomes more valid the amount of times you do. So if they can get someone else to lose weight, and sort of do it in a healthy, sustainable way. And then I can do that for the next person. And the next person, if they do that 1000 times, then that's 1000 times more valid than just doing it for yourself and showing your own pictures and now selling tea. I think that's more on the consumer to be a bit more aware than it is for that influencer, because they don't know any better than anyone else. That's just how I see it.

Ree  38:09  
You've got a lot of luck. You've got a lot of input. And experience yourself and your team. Right? There's three of you in this team. So I won't go one more thing then which I ox Amasian everyone, every entrepreneur on the entrepreneur heroes, what is your number one secret to success then?

Unknown Speaker  38:31  
Number one secret to success. Always have a why you need to know why you're doing something, not just from like a career perspective. But from like a, I guess, a moral or mental standpoint. For example, for me, my wife is going through depression, and nine inflaton go through that. I can go for anything. And my way is also knowing that my parents laid down everything before me for me to have an easy life. And I want to sort of use that as a platform to take the family to the next level. So yeah, that's that's my way. And I think everyone should have one. brilliant man.

Ree  39:14  
Really good to hear. And I'm hearing patterns of different secrets. So it's great to hear yours. So I just want to thank you. Thank you for your time sharing with us today. In your busy days. It's been great hearing your story and

Unknown Speaker  39:33  
thank you for having me on the podcast minus it's been a been an honor to actually be here and just do a podcast and talk I hate talking about myself. I hate talking. It's quite nice to to do this.

Ree  39:46  
We would think that from watching it. So now I think you know what you said today like just to reiterate is a serious issue for men. So for you to come out, be open. We appreciate it and we hope that any any man Listening watching to this, get some get over this. Any woman that's listening to this as well and you've got a man, a male figure in your life that you think maybe not all right? Maybe tell them to watch it and maybe try and get some lessons of how, you know, he has dealt with it because like you said like, he's a big guy. So if he can admit this stuff, transition and become better, so can you Yeah,

Unknown Speaker  40:27  
and at the same time though, that the other one and sort of speak to someone about depression. Obviously, you can reach out to the helplines, but you can also shoot me a DM on Instagram, head over to spot and see what I can do for you,

Ree  40:42  
man. I appreciate it, man. Thank you. Thank you very much. And we'll bring you back to do that video demo for everyone on this list. Cool. Yeah, thanks a lot and we'll catch you soon.

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