6 Figure AI Scientist Who Failed 42 Times

In this episode of the Entrepreneur Heroes podcast, we delve into the fascinating world of Mark Kashif, a six-figure AI data scientist from Canada. Despite numerous setbacks, Mark's story is one of resilience and relentless pursuit of passion. He shares insights from his journey of failing 42 times in side hustles before finding his stride in the AI industry.

Key Takeaways:

1. Embracing Failure as a Stepping Stone: Mark's numerous ventures, including a handyman business and a Shopify store, taught him valuable lessons. His persistence and willingness to learn from failures eventually led him to success in AI.
2. Finding Passion in Technical Skills: Despite starting with a disinterest in math and a love for history and art, Mark developed a passion for AI and data science. His journey illustrates the importance of evolving interests and continuous learning.
3. The Entrepreneurial Mindset: Mark emphasizes the need for a strong 'why' behind entrepreneurial endeavors. He advocates for building something meaningful and preparing for future industry shifts, especially in fields like AI.

Notable Quotes:

1. "I've always wanted to be an actual entrepreneur, not a wannabe entrepreneur." - Mark Kashif
2. "It's not about the money, it's more so about the passion." - Mark Kashif
3. "Have action be the best way to learn. Don't just watch courses and read things and think that's your way of learning." - Mark Kashif

Conclusion:
Mark Kashif's journey is a testament to the power of resilience, continuous learning, and the pursuit of passion. His story offers valuable lessons for aspiring entrepreneurs and professionals in any field. His insights into AI and entrepreneurship are particularly relevant in today's rapidly evolving technological landscape.

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Transcript

Ree  0:00  
Hey guys and welcome to the entrepreneur heroes podcast. We have got the main man, Mr. Mark Kashif here all the way from Canada. And we're going to talk about how a successful six figure, AI data scientist has failed 42 times with the side hustles Hey, Mike, what's going on, brother?

Unknown Speaker  0:24  
I'm doing well, man. How are you? Thank you for that introduction.

Ree  0:28  
I'm good, man. I'm good. I mean, today, we just had fire alarm after fire alarm. But hey, you're used to fires?

Speaker 1  0:34  
Yeah, every day is fire. 24/7 365. So I got you. Alright.

Ree  0:39  
So let's get right into it. Six Figure, career man and AI data scientist now? Are you Doc, Doc, come back in the future. You

Speaker 1  0:51  
know, man, I started off, almost failing high school math, because I had no idea what I would use it for. I was obsessed with history and art, I was actually a very creative kid. And that kind of got pushed out of me by immigrant parents. So I've had to learn how to be technical, and eventually actually learn to love math. And then I got frustrated not being stuck where I used to work, which is in the finance domain. That's what I did my undergrad in. So I stuck myself in a coffee shop for two years. And every day I would go for 30 minutes of learning Python for a bunch of books. And then I was adamant in probably 2015 2016 to get into the AI industry. So are very early on, I knew what I wanted.

Ree  1:39  
What AI.

Speaker 1  1:41  
So the story behind this was I was studying for my third year corporate finance exam. In school, I was pretty good just because of my ego, not because I actually cared for the content. I was studying at that same cafe. And I remember looking at my textbook and saying, one day, someone's going to automate this tea table I'm looking at right now for assets and liabilities, there's no way I'm gonna be doing this in 10 years, there's no way someone is gonna look at this in 10 years and do it the same way. There has to be a better way. And then I was Googling around, I found a couple books about AI. And then I picked up a book called Thinking Machines. And then from that end, I kept buying more books, I kept looking into what might happen in the future. And then from 2016 to 2018, things started heating up, but obviously not the level that it is today. But that's kind of what step sent me started.

Ree  2:33  
Yeah. So if you didn't compound that time, over those years, you wouldn't be doing what you're doing.

Speaker 1  2:43  
No, because it's not that AI is difficult for a mathematical standpoint. Now it can be, but it's more. So it's one of those things that if you genuinely don't have the passion for it, then you won't spend the countless hours, whether it be looking up how to fix an error. Or looking at why this framework is better than the other framework, or all the math behind why your face it works on an iPhone, all of those things are micro learnings that you accumulate, and you stack over time. So if you don't have that internal drive for it, it's really hard to push past those valleys of despair in learning it.

Ree  3:19  
So basically, everyone is just telling us, he's a geek, and he doesn't want the world to know he's trying to butter it up. What do you send you in a coffee shop? Awful, you're doing some overtime? Because I used to push trolleys in my supermarket.

Speaker 1  3:33  
No, no. So I was working, internships and jobs. And after hours, I'd always kind of go to the coffee shop right away. So eventually, what I did is to break into the data industry. In analytics, specifically, I took a sales job in a startup. And I couldn't speak on the phone. I was not that articulate. But I took the sales job with the sole intention of harassing the hiring manager for the data team for six months. So I did my time. I did my begging. And I got my first gig in analytics, where I worked specifically in people analytics. And then from then I started working there for five years, I had a lot of cool clients like Mercedes Benz Fitbit, I started really getting into the whole domain. And then from there, I kind of made that leap to AI.

Ree  4:23  
That's awesome, man. And you touched on the passion. And I think that I can resonate with that because there was certain subjects I had, which I wasn't passionate about. I didn't care about history. For example, I'm like, I don't believe any of this shit were being taught. I don't believe this. I hadn't been and when you question it, a read. You got detention tonight. So for me, like the passion was in trying to find out but so that I totally resonate with that. So ultimately, so you're you're Egyptian

Speaker 1  5:00  
So I'm ethically Gyptian. But born and raised in Canada,

Ree  5:03  
also you the Middle Eastern, it's similar similar culture like Asian Indian Pakistani background, I'm sure a lot of the cultures have similarities. And you raise a traditional family go to university, you get a job. So you've done that you've done the people pleasing. You've done the family pleasing. Yes. What, what did people say now, when you've started to do things a bit different, like, you know, for example, start that first side hustle.

Speaker 1  5:33  
Yeah, so I was always known, and I still am known as the rebel who refuses to be quote, unquote, grateful. Now, I am grateful for where I am career wise, and all the hard work where it's culminated. But it's not that I'm not grateful. I've always just wanted more. And I've always wanted to be our actual entrepreneur, not a wannabe entrepreneur, but someone that actually builds something, blood, sweat, and tears, and has something to truly hang their hat on. That's always been my aspiration. So throughout every failure, which was not in the AI domain, 90% of my side hustles were not in AI. And it took finally starting something in my own passion for people now starting to recognise Oh, wow, this is the furthest you've ever gone before. And it just happens to be because those interests skills are now intersecting to something, and it's hot at the moment. So it's kind of that perfect storm.

Ree  6:24  
It'd be a good recipe. So, so give me some examples of some of the stuff you've done.

Speaker 1  6:29  
The ESV or specifically, yeah, so I Okay, gotcha. So side hustles wise, my side hustle right before this one last year, one of my biggest failures was starting a handyman business. Now, for context for context, if you give me a drawer with amazing instructions, I most likely won't be able to build it. Or it'll take me five to six hours. However, I was getting my house renovated. And I had quite a few immigrant labourers who were just saying, hey, like, Do you have any idea how we how we could get a job here for our visas? And I'm like, what if I set up a corporation, made a handyman company hired you guys as contractors, and he ran it that way, as a genius idea in my head at the time, but I know nothing about the industry, no idea how to quote was completely at their disposal on what things are worth how things along with things take. And I would go knock door knocking to sell people installing smart cameras, thermostats, everything that I didn't know anything about. And I would try to like BS my authority on the matter. So four or five months down the line, I had no passion to put ads for it, because I don't really care for it. I just saw an opportunity to make money. And I think prior to that, I used to have a Shopify store, we had a clothing brand, I started with someone else. And we sold some shirts over a few months. And I spent hours learning Shopify, but I didn't actually care for it. And prior to that, I kind of was in the flipping game. So there's like Amazon return warehouses, where everything that you return on Amazon is all box together, and you can go buy it at the specialty stores. And then you can start like cleaning it up and flipping it, that and then a million versions of these side hustles that I've done in the past, that always almost failed, because I never had that stamina to keep going.

Ree  8:28  
Yeah. So. So the secret to that consistency of failure was having that, that that passion, right? Because you already know it. And it's one of those things that if you don't have a passion when you're working, so for example, most people in their jobs, they're going to do the job, they're going to cook watch, and they just can't wait to the weekend wait to their paycheck, and they don't care about anything else. And this is why a lot of people sadly hate their jobs, and they hate their boss, they hate their life. And they tried to go through this side hustle, look, I'm the same I've been the same, you know, I was in a corporate job. I've done loads of loads of side hustles and for me, I'm people say I'm an entrepreneur and right now I'm a serial failure. Exactly. If you wouldn't give me a title Give me that. But I don't know if I've got a 43 So I think you actually beat me on that

Unknown Speaker  9:18  
a better failure than you man. I'm so sorry.

Ree  9:22  
It makes me think so you've got a good job. You're working in AI, you're earning good money. So what is the mindset behind wanting to make more money because, you know, I'm not going to disclose what you make, but you make enough money that you're comfortable. So what's the end you work in AI so it's something that's passionate. So what would lead someone that's working in a job which they already have, they care about they've spent years compounding a skill set to be good at it. And they're earning really good money to, to keep doing side hustles keep wanting more.

Speaker 1  10:02  
Tele amazing question, amazing question. So there's kind of twofold. One is, it's not about the money, it's more so about the passion. The reason why I've had this longevity is my stamina of my Y is very strong. If my wife was just making money, then I would have just probably stuck to one of those four other 42 side hustles and just pushed it until I made money. Because eventually, if you learn something, enough, and you work hard enough, you will make money out of it. So if that handyman business, I took a truly seriously, I'm sure I figured it out. Yeah, there are some ideas in my head that I truly desert, like think deserve to exist in this world, which is why I really want to be one of those pioneers and trailblazers to bring them to this world. So that's one part of my why as to why keep going, despite all the failures. And despite all the evidence that tells me, you're not meant to be an entrepreneur, or you're not a good entrepreneur. So that's step one. Step two, there's something different about actually building something that's eating, breathing, living, and you built it with your own two hands. And it's also trying to protect you against the future. So I want to just dive in on that specific point. I know that in four to five years from now, everything we're talking about in AI is going to be vastly different day and night, I would say 40 to 60% of jobs, we know as today will be either augmented or deprecated. Well, so 60, that would be my prediction, the as we know them today. So with that in mind, being an entrepreneur, especially in the AI space, allows me to always have that step ahead and always see what's happening in next two to three years, because it's my job to do so. Because I do consulting for my clients through prompt advisors on what's coming down the pipeline, how can you plan for it? And what can you do about it right now. So those are two main reasons and the drivers that kind of pushed me through those really hard parts of the journey.

Ree  12:03  
That's awesome. That's awesome. I think it's a great mindset to have for anyone listening out there because you might be doing a job and think some people have this five year 10 year plan are going to get retirement like you might not reach retirement because your job is finished. So what can you do about that, and if anyone is on the fence, like look, you're speaking to two people that are in have been in the corporate world, they've been okay, salary wise, they didn't need to do something different. But that need has come from the stem of thinking about the future, and knowing you can solve a problem. And when you know that all it takes is drive passion. Look, it might take 40 to 43 times. But it's you're still doing in your learning. And I'm sure you've developed a hell of a lot more about yourself your skill set, in that that you can apply it to the business you're in now.

Speaker 1  12:56  
Yes, exactly. So I always get this analogy. And I think till the day I die, and hopefully I'll die a good entrepreneur, that this will always be my analogy. If you've ever watched the movie Slumdog Millionaire, it's basically someone that was able to answer every question in that game show because of micro experiences that he had in the past. And I truly see a successful entrepreneur, and a successful endeavour in entrepreneurship, as some form of a microcosm of that. Because throughout all those failures that are completely unrelated to what I do now, I learned how to speak to people, I learned how to sell, I know which buttons to push for the highest likelihood of a positive outcome, even though it has nothing to do with what I do today, on the day to day. So when you stack those failures, and you actually try different things, you will learn small things from Oh, this is why this airs popping up. I remember when I built the Shopify store for my clothing brand, and I saw something like it, and you'll just happen viscerally. So that's where that learning experience comes in really handy. When you finally find that perfect marriage of that interest, the skill set and your passion.

Ree  14:08  
That's awesome. Because in what I teach people, I teach about skill stacking. So wherever you're, you're working, or you're in business, you still have to up your skills. And the two skills you need regardless, is being able to speak to people and being able to sell, because if you can't do that, whether you don't have your business, you still need to sell yourself to people to decide things in your job, for example, for decisions to be made, for example, telling your wife you should be going to this country on holiday rather than this country. Right now. Have you got kids, you know, selling is part of life and whatever we do, it's just I think, maybe we've all had a bad experience sleazy car salesman, which brings me on to a topic. You've recently come back from Dubai. How was the trip?

Unknown Speaker  14:58  
Do we get want to get into the nitty gritty here.

Ree  15:01  
Oh, I didn't see you partying in the fire Palm Jumeirah?

Speaker 1  15:07  
Sure, I'll fill the audience. And so pretty much four months ago, my car got stolen in Montreal city in Canada. It's a port city. So within 24 hours that was out of the country. It was a beloved Jeep Wrangler. That was my wife's. And then, three weeks ago, now four weeks almost, we got a ding from an air tag, that was beeping outside of a used car dealership, near the Dubai area. So out of pure rage, I hopped on a plane, and I chase down my car, I met the adversaries that stole my car. And I tried to pull everything off to bring it home. But a lot of logistics popped up that made it not feasible slash not safe to fully follow through. But I've logged the whole experience. And now working with a documentary producer, to actually try to bring it to you to

Ree  16:01  
you know, let's give a shout out to Liam and the accelerator, actually, because we're, you know, we're speaking because of that, you know, it's a community We both met in and you've you've you're actually on these podcasts, as well. So, you know, I think the communities that people build is good, because it's allowed people like us to meet as well. Yep. And, and obviously, you met with him, and you know, he's doing great, great things in the space. Unfortunately, you didn't get to bring your car back. However, you're back, you're back in one piece is an experience. And, you know, it's, it's something that we have to pick our battles.

Speaker 1  16:37  
Absolutely, yeah. So I think the most important thing, and I'm going to, again, apply it from a obscure scenario to entrepreneurship, is I went on a trip to get my car. I didn't get my car. But I got a conversation in a dinner with one of the major trailblazers in the triple A space right now. So there's also a lemons to lemonade opportunity in everything that you do. It's more so can you have that longevity, that stamina, and dig deep enough to look for that one small opportunity in a scenario that looks like it's a complete failure?

Ree  17:11  
You know, 100%. And this is like one of the most crucial things and things you'll see with entrepreneurs is that some people will look at the bad and everything, and they see the bad and it affects their mindset, they behave everything. But when you look for the good and stuff, you have the ability to find solutions. And that's what entrepreneurs are, we're we're failures. And we've we build solutions. And obviously, a lot of us have got a lot of egos that we need to prove to the world by having great businesses. But if we can't have an ego, by having a great business by solving problems, then you know what, I'd rather have an ego in that than being an idiot with an ego. You know, maybe an idiot with a load of Lamborghinis or something.

Speaker 1  17:55  
It depends on you want to make it right. So for me, the Lamborghini is a nice side quest. But the main thing is I want to build something that has its own feet, it can stand on its own two feet. And something I can look back on and be like, yeah, that company that you saw right there, I built that. And I was a part of the instrumental pain and blood and sweat and tears that went to actually culminating that end product.

Ree  18:18  
Awesome. So now we're on to the company. So we see that pa prompt advisors, tell us, tell us about your company? What do you do? And why? In fact, why did you start it?

Speaker 1  18:31  
Sure. So I started prompt advisors. Four days after chat, GBT came out. And one of the main reasons why is during my master's, which I specialised in AI four years ago, one of the most fascinating topics to me was natural language processing, which is the pure Foundation and the crux of what GPT. And all this new technology we're seeing in LMS is, so I started that, and I'm like, I'm going to be a prompt engineer, because no one knows how to talk to the API properly. And I understand the bedrock of why it works the way it does, and why does it work the way it should? So it started off as a prompt engineering agency. So I would advise clients on how do you prompt better, and then it kind of just stuck prompt advisors. And pretty much anything you do, whether it be building a chatbot, or building a web application, there's always a section, we're gonna have to do some prompting. So I found it a very ubiquitous skill set to have across the whole AI sphere right now. So that's kind of how I was born. I started off just as prompt engineering. And then I moved on to eventually building chatbots moved on to building web applications. And now I'm doing a bit of everything, so anywhere from building large language models from scratch, to fine tuning them to building chat bots, to offering custom web solutions. And then the final thing is consulting and teaching. So right now I'm also working with companies. We organise a two three day course. And I teach their whole team how to upskill using AI, whatever the domain it is. So that's, I'm trying to be very general, because of my background that allows me to do so.

Ree  20:08  
No, and that's brilliant. And the fact that you started doing one thing in what was it? 10 momstown sentence has been out to the world.

Speaker 1  20:17  
Yeah, almost a year at November 30. Last year. Yeah.

Ree  20:22  
So you can see people listening, watching now that you've had to pivot your business multiple times. Now, it doesn't mean when you're in business, that you've had an idea, and boom, you're going to do it. No, you need to react. If you don't react, you have to respond to the market, need to respond to requirements. And the only way you're gonna have these requirements, is by being somewhere that you can make offers. Now, you know, your people are online, they have their social media, they have different platforms, there's, you know, there's there's Upwork, there's Fiverr, there's loads of marketplaces where you can be to have these conversations, and the only way you're going to do it is to be there. So now you, you've closed quite a lot of deals. You're a fully flown entrepreneur, who's on their third, if that. Side, hustle, you're enjoying it, you're closing deals, and you're building great applications. So tell me a little bit more about some of the builds that you've done. And how was that process?

Speaker 1  21:29  
Sure. So yeah, overall, the biggest builds we've done is more so in the law domain, the real estate domain customer service. So customer service, chat bots, but more than just answering questions like any other chatbot can do. It's more so a chat bot that's actually functional in the sense that when you start an order or refund, it can actually help you execute it. So more, the more show less informational, more executional.

Ree  21:57  
Can we just do an example then to say everyone can listen? Okay, so you, you're going to be the Chatbot pre prompt advisors, and I'm going to be the customer. Okay, so I've come into your Shopify store. And about, okay, I log on the store, hey, I'm looking for a T shirt. You reply with a chapel?

Speaker 1  22:19  
Great, what kind of T shirt are you thinking about getting today. And then we can offer some options, for example, low cut, whatever. polos, or whatever some other type of shirt.

Ree  22:31  
So basically, whatever is in your catalogue, your Shopify store, you can see that Mark is talking about this bot, that's going to have options that allows you to make decisions quicker, okay, click, I want a blue t shirt.

Speaker 1  22:47  
Great. So we have these three options in blue T shirts, and you can see a preview of the image that you can click on. And you can go to that product page. And we can just have like a small recommendation system that looks for keyword blue, other keyword t shirt, look for what's in the database, here's everything that's blue, here's everything of that blue subset. That's a t shirt. Let's serve them, three of them.

Ree  23:09  
Awesome. So you can see my that decision process has been up, because the first thing people do when they come on websites is they're looking for ways to come off it because even two copies too long. It's too salesy. The images don't resonate, the branding, don't good. But when you we've got bought a conversational bot, that can converse, your conversion can increase. And this is where the market needs to understand. So here's the use case, or I'm looking for a blue t shirt, because I'm going on on a date with this hot chick that I just matched on Tinder.

Unknown Speaker  23:46  
So you're entering into the chat bot?

Ree  23:48  
What's your book going to do? Well, so there you go, you know, like it's early. But if you think of the use case, right is an extreme one. Now, it might get an error, it might refer you to something else. But but the point is, never have you been able to interact with an online store like that. And, and that's the beauty is is when it's trained on data, understand the product. That's, that's the game changer, because there's not enough product specialists out there. And if they are, guess what you need to book a call, you need to go for a contact form. And you need to wait for a response. And sometimes because these businesses on the front end looked great, but their back end is terrible. So it could be a one man band that's running it as doing customer service. They're fulfilling orders, they're doing their counting. And before you know it, they've lost that need. So absolutely. The the the requirements, the benefits straightaway for any any business so like if you're getting traffic, you need a bot you need train bots.

Speaker 1  24:55  
Absolutely. Now I had a chance to think of your example I couldn't respond. Is if it knows that the average person that looks good in an outfit has a well fitting outfit right away be like, oh, yeah, it's really important for you to look good on your date. Could you get some your sizing details? Like what size are your medium or large? How big is your like your arm length? How big is your kind of torso area, let's find your perfect fitting shirt. Because then you can do some progress with that it can go into database, look for all the sizings that match yours, and recommend something that will be kind of like a white glove and fit perfectly for you.

Ree  25:28  
Oh, wow. So so how, without giving all the secrets, in fact, we can give the secrets away. Because it's, it's, it's such a vast technology that not everyone's gonna have to implement anyway. So in terms of building that kind of knowledge and database into a system of functioning website, what kind of challenges do go through to be able to do that,

Speaker 1  25:51  
or the number one name of the game, especially if we're talking chat bots, is the quality of the data and the prevalence of that data. So let's go back to my example I just gave, if you have t shirts, and you don't have sizing, kind of normalised in a database, meaning like it's just readily available by SKU of your T shirt, that's gonna be hard for us to do anything with right? It doesn't exist or it doesn't exist in the right place. Everything is detail oriented. So if you have a really clean database, let's say in your Shopify site, it's very clear that every listing you have, has sizing details. Every listing has this type of name, with this kind of style. With this template of a description. The more things that are standardised, the more that we can standardise the retrieval or searching for those kinds of listings to integrate into the Chatbot.

Ree  26:43  
Okay, so for people that may be a little bit lost, it's literally that your website is the clearer it is, the more idiot proof it is, the better these bots can be. Because there's no point having a t shirt with no size, no colours, no variance, because that's what's going to allow the bot to do his work. And you know what for anyone may be in, in the bot space or SMMA space, this is a good thing for you because it allows you to optimise the website and, and consult. So again, just like Mark talked about being a product specialist. These bots are product specialists, you yourself as a business owner, need to be passionate about what what you're doing, because it allows conversations like this, to say, okay, you know what, before we even do the bot, we need to fix your website, because your website sucks, I'm not going to sell you a bot, that is going to be the best sport in the world. But guess what, it doesn't have the best data to give the best response back to a prospect on your website. So when you become the product owner, you know what's happening in the industry, you can really suit solution eyes. And if you don't know what to do, find someone that knows how to do it. Team up joint venture, collaborate, because it's good to collaborate with the right people, you know, we've, I've met Mark, we're in the same community, we're collaborating, and and it's about how you can collaborate with people and have a bigger solution for other people because there's enough food on the table for everyone. It's not all about trying to outsmart people trying to out price people. Because I tell you, you do not want to have a pricing war with anyone because it's the fastest way to the bottom. Like, for my business. And I'm sure for Mark business, we charge premium, because there's a reason we charge premium and we don't want to attract the clients that want to spend, you know, very low and want the world because in my business consulting, mentoring, sometimes people want everything for nothing, and they're the worst clients. So you're trying to get rich before you get rich. Exactly, exactly. So I think we're gonna have to wrap up the show and I'm sure we can bring Mark back maybe in a few months because the way AI is advancing. It's, it's crazy. It's really, really crazy. And if you don't understand the space, just try to use it. There's a lot of good tools out there. Look, start with charging PT is free. There's enough stuff in there for you to learn the basics. And if you can learn the basics and think you know what, how can it help me in my job, you are going to be actually a more valuable employee. So just think about giving value and you know what, on my podcast, everyone you guys know I don't script anything. But uh, one thing scripted is coming up now. So Mark, as now an entrepreneur, what would you say is the number one secret to your success so far?

Speaker 1  29:46  
Daqing failures, the sooner you stop having analysis paralysis about doing the thing, and you do the thing today and you realise you're not good at it or there's a better way to do it and Few months, the sooner time flies to your advantage, because we all say time flies, right. But when you're doing something that sucks, or you're bad at it, time feels like it's so slow. But right now we're having a conversation. And I can't believe it's been almost a year since I started doing this consultancy. And it's flown by by quick because of stack, so many learnings, failures, and it's flown by so let time be your friend, and have action be the best way to learn. Don't just watch courses and read things and think that's your way of learning. Just do the thing, fail at it multiple times and optimise for failure. Don't expect success expect a productive failure. That'd be kind of my two cents. They're

Ree  30:43  
amazing man I'm gonna says great words, because anyone listening out there, you're listening to two, we've probably got about six figures of say failures between us. Speaking to the best people in the house, the best time to house, thank you for your time, and everyone wants to want to see market give us what your business can do for you. All the links are going to be below. And also at the time of the recording, there's probably going to be some new channels that are coming out. So they will also be below and obviously we can come back we can talk about that journey that you're doing. Because you know I love the journey so far. And I can't wait to see where you're going to be in six months and 12 months, man. So look. Thank you very much for your time, man.

Speaker 1  31:22  
Absolutely. My pleasure. Thanks for having me. Appreciate you. Cool

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