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Let’s be real—making and maintaining friendships as a pastor’s wife can be one of the hardest parts of ministry life. Loneliness is real, and finding your people isn’t always as easy as it sounds, especially when you’re living in a small town, raising little ones, or trying to navigate the unique role of being the pastor’s wife.

In this episode of The Pastor Wife Life Podcast, I’m joined by Bre Dickson, who’s back to share her journey of learning how to build authentic friendships in the middle of ministry. We talk about expectations, awkward beginnings, the loneliness that sometimes lingers, and the beauty of finding community in surprising places—like with someone decades older than you, or at the gym with toddlers underfoot.

Whether you’re in a season of rich relationships or struggling to connect, Bre’s insight will encourage you to give yourself grace, shift your perspective, and keep looking for the friendships God is preparing just for you.

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Today, I’m thrilled to welcome back a dear friend and longtime voice on the podcast—Leighann McCoy. Leighann is an experienced pastor’s wife, a gifted author, and someone who brings both deep wisdom and refreshing honesty to every conversation. In this episode, she shares about her journey of faith, family, and over 35 years of ministry alongside her husband, Tom, at their Tennessee church before stepping into retirement.

But this conversation goes deeper than ministry milestones. Leighann opens up about her family’s story—including the prodigal paths her three children have taken—and how she’s walked through that pain with grace, hope, and unshakable faith. She also introduces her new course, “Perfecting the Art of Parenting Your Prodigal,” created especially for parents in ministry who need encouragement, tools, and a reminder that they’re not alone.

Whether you’re parenting a prodigal, loving someone through a tough season, or simply seeking hope in the hard places, this episode will speak to your heart.

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In this episode of The Pastor Wife Life Podcast, Jacque chats with Kristen Cave, a youth pastor’s wife whose story is a beautiful picture of how God prepares and positions us for ministry. Kristen shares how she had always prayed for a ministry partner—and how God answered that prayer in His perfect timing when she met Kevin. Just six weeks after their wedding, they moved to Northern Kentucky and jumped right into youth ministry together. Kristen talks about the early days of ministry life, serving as a team, and trusting God through seasons of change.

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Devotions on Diabetes: A 30-Day Journey to Anchor Your Soul

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The Feelings Wheel

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In this episode of The Pastor Wife Life Podcast, Jacque chats with Kristen Cave, a youth pastor’s wife whose story is a beautiful picture of how God prepares and positions us for ministry. Kristen shares how she had always prayed for a ministry partner—and how God answered that prayer in His perfect timing when she met Kevin. Just six weeks after their wedding, they moved to Northern Kentucky and jumped right into youth ministry together. Kristen talks about the early days of ministry life, serving as a team, and trusting God through seasons of change.

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In this episode of The Pastor Wife Life, Jacque chats with Amber Hays, a Mississippi pastor’s wife with a heart for gospel conversations and a bold story of obedience. Amber and her husband, Gabby, are part of Renovate Church in Cleveland, Mississippi—a college town where God is moving in powerful ways.

Amber shares what it’s like to plant a church from the ground up, how her own life is being shaped through simple, Spirit-led gospel conversations, and how those moments are transforming their town, one student at a time. From the challenges of small-town life to the incredible joy of seeing God work through ordinary people, Amber’s story will both encourage and inspire you.

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In this episode, Jacque welcomes back Malana Bracht, pastor’s wife and co-author of Holy Spirit, Have Your Way. Malana shares her powerful testimony and the incredible journey she and her husband, Travis, have walked in ministry. From unexpected moves to miraculous provision, Malana's story is a testament to God's faithfulness and the beauty of stepping into His calling.

Key Highlights:

• Malana reflects on her first podcast appearance and updates listeners on life since then, including pastoring a church in Oklahoma City.
• The unique challenges of being a pastor’s wife and embracing God’s call despite personal fears and uncertainties.
• The power of healing from past wounds and how it prepares you for effective ministry.
• Malana’s thoughts on revival, stewarding God’s work, and staying strong during transitional seasons.
• Encouragement for listeners to step boldly into their callings and trust God’s timing.

Resources Mentioned:

• Episode 67: Malana’s First Appearance on The Pastor Wife Life Podcast (linked in the show notes).
• Holy Spirit, Have Your Way by Travis and Malana Bracht (available on Amazon).

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• Facebook: Malana Smith Bracht
• Instagram: @malanabracht
• Author Page: Author Malana Bracht
• Church Website: Arise Church OKC

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Are you ready to embrace your calling and step into what God has for you? Malana encourages you to seek healing, trust God’s process, and be prepared for the harvest in this season of revival.

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Ministry life is full of both joys and challenges, and sometimes those challenges come from unexpected places. In this episode, Sarah Hutchinson shares how her faith has carried her through not only the day-to-day demands of being a pastor’s wife but also through one of the most difficult seasons of her life—when her daughter experienced a serious accident.

Her story is one of perseverance, trust in God, and learning to find balance in the midst of it all.

Walking Through the Storm

Sarah’s life was turned upside down when her daughter was involved in a life-altering accident. As she recounted the story, you could hear both the pain and the gratitude in her voice.

“It was one of the hardest things I’ve ever faced,” Sarah shared. “But it was also when I felt God’s presence the most.”

The accident forced her family to slow down, reassess their priorities, and lean on their faith like never before. It wasn’t easy, but it became a pivotal moment in Sarah’s ministry and personal life.

Finding Balance Amid the Unexpected

Through the challenges that came with her daughter’s recovery, Sarah learned to balance her roles as a mother, a wife, and a pastor’s wife.

“There were days I felt like I was failing at everything,” she admitted. “But God kept reminding me that I didn’t have to do it all on my own. He was with me every step of the way.”

Her story highlights the importance of grace—not just grace from God, but grace for ourselves. Sarah spoke candidly about letting go of the pressure to meet everyone’s expectations and instead focusing on what truly mattered.

Lessons from the Journey

Sarah shared several valuable lessons she learned during this season:

• Trust God’s timing. “Sometimes, things don’t happen the way we planned, but that doesn’t mean God isn’t in control.”
• Lean on your community. During her daughter’s recovery, Sarah experienced an outpouring of love and support from her church family and friends.

Encouragement for Pastor’s Wives

Sarah’s journey is a reminder that life in ministry is not always predictable, but God is always faithful. She had this encouragement for fellow pastor’s wives:

“Don’t be afraid to let people see your struggles. It’s in those moments of vulnerability that God’s strength shines through.”

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LINKS WE MENTIONED
Jennie Allen on Candace Cameron Bure's podcast 
Get Out of Your Head By Jennie Allen

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In this episode, Katie Fordham shares her journey as a pastor's wife navigating ministry challenges and a life-changing Parkinson's diagnosis. Katie opens up about her upbringing, her call to ministry, and the unexpected trials that shaped her faith and reliance on God's provision.

She offers wisdom and encouragement for pastors' wives facing church hurt or chronic illness, and emphasizes the importance of forgiveness, gratitude, and community. Katie's story is a powerful testimony of God's unwavering faithfulness in the midst of life's trials.

In This Episode

1. Overcoming Church Hurt:
Katie recounts her experience with church conflict that led to her husband resigning, leaving them without income, insurance, or a home. She describes the deep hurt she felt and the journey toward forgiveness, saying, “Until I could forgive, God wasn’t going to be able to put us in ministry anywhere.”

Her advice to pastors' wives facing similar hurt:

• Seek Help: Turn to your state convention or denominational resources for support.
• Rely on Community: Find a church home that will love you well and help you heal.
• Guard Your Heart: Avoid bitterness, as it can hinder your spiritual growth and ministry.
• Pray Together: Maintain unity with your spouse and seek God’s direction as a team.

2. Living with Parkinson’s Disease:
Katie shares her journey of being diagnosed with young-onset Parkinson’s at the age of 36, a diagnosis that affects less than 1% of the population in her demographic. She speaks candidly about the physical and emotional toll of the disease and how God has provided every step of the way.

“If I can name it, I can fight it.” Katie reflects on how naming the diagnosis gave her clarity but also a new level of trust in God’s plan.

Advice for Ministering to Those with Parkinson’s or Chronic Illness:

• Respect Boundaries: Understand physical and emotional limits, like avoiding physical touch during tremors.
• Provide Practical Help: Meals, transportation, and simply being present can be powerful.
• Offer Encouragement: Remind them of hope and gratitude, which can lift their spirits.
• Be Patient: Chronic illness can bring fatigue and mood changes; compassion is key.

Her reminder: “When we find gratitude, we find our purpose. Be thankful in all things.”

3. Encouragement for Pastors’ Wives:

• Trust God’s Plan: Even in uncertainty, God is faithful and provides abundantly.
• Seek Restoration: Whether through forgiveness or sabbaticals, prioritize spiritual and emotional health.
• Be an Advocate: Stand up for your family’s needs and fight for rest when it’s necessary.
• Pray Continuously: Cover your spouse and family in prayer as you navigate ministry challenges.

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This is a replay of an episode from 2022, but it's so good I wanted to share it again to inspire you to get ready to celebrate the season!

This week on the podcast we're getting really practical! Stevie Ciske is a master planner of all things (my description, not hers!) and she is sharing how she makes Christmas memories with her family throughout the month of December. The key is PLANNING!

Not only does she share some great ideas, she's given us a few resources (see the links below) to help us do the same in our families. Whether you 're starting simple or ready to jump all in, this episode will help you prepare to make Christmas memories without stressing out!

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Stevie's Advent Planner

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In this episode, Erica opens up about the incredible journey that led her and her husband to ministry, their transition into church leadership, and how they balance it all while raising four young children. From meeting online to serving the Lord in their community, Erica’s story is full of faith, fun, and an inspiring example of what it means to fully commit to God's plan.

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In this episode, I sat down with Robin Schmidt, an ambassador for PIR Ministries, to discuss the vital work they do in supporting pastors who have experienced forced exits from their congregations. Robin shares the history and mission of PIR (Pastor in Residence), a ministry founded to provide a safe haven and restorative process for wounded pastors and their families. Learn how PIR helps restore hope, trust, and a sense of calling to those who have dedicated their lives to ministry.

Introduction to PIR Ministries: Robin introduces PIR Ministries and its mission to support pastors who have been forcibly exited from their congregations due to conflict, burnout, or moral failures.

Refuge Churches: Discover the concept of Refuge Churches—grace-filled churches that offer a safe and supportive environment for exited pastors and their families to heal and restore their sense of calling.

The Ministry of Presence: Robin emphasizes the importance of simply being present with those who are hurting, drawing parallels to the Jewish custom of sitting shiva.

The Healing Process: Understand the structured support system provided by PIR, including support teams, affirmations, and the Pro-D assessment, which helps pastors and their spouses understand their strengths and areas for growth.

Links We Mentioned

PIR Ministries Website: pirministries.org

[book] Pastors at Risk - Dr. Charles A. Wickman 

[book] The Weary Leader’s Guide to Burnout - Sean Nemecek

[download] Relief from the Pressure to Produce - Roy Yanke

[download] When Christians Clash - Dan Borg

[podcast] Hope Renewed 

If you or someone you know is a pastor who has been forcibly exited from their congregation, reach out to PIR Ministries for support and resources to help you heal and restore your sense of calling.

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On this episode of the Pastor Wife Life podcast, I’m chatting with Brandice Lardner of Grace-Filled Plate of Grace-Filled Plate.

At Grace Filled Plate, Brandice guides Christian women to overcome the diet mindset and discover food freedom through a relationship with Christ. Despite knowing our needs are met in Jesus, many of us get swept up in worldly thinking and past struggles. We try to fix our food issues with tools that aren't from the Lord. While God may use various tools, it's ultimately about putting Him first.

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[book] Grace-Filled Plates: Ditch Diets and Find Food Freedom Through God’s Grace - a 30-day devotion

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Today on the podcast, we’re diving into the topic of trials and finding joy with my friend, Barb Raveling. Joy is one of my favorite topics, especially as someone who has battled depression for years. When God delivered me from that, joy became incredibly precious to me because I had gone so long without it.

The enemy often tries to steal our joy. While this is true for any believer, it sometimes feels particularly intense in the pastor's wife life. We face unique challenges as we love on God's people and our families, and the enemy's attacks can be relentless.

Joy is not merely an abstract concept but a tangible experience that comes from walking closely with God through every trial. It’s a testimony to His faithfulness and a light to those around us. As we navigate our own journeys, let us embrace each trial as an opportunity to grow in faith and joy, knowing that God is with us every step of the way.

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Phillipians Bible Study

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Carrie Blackley is a Tennessee pastor’s wife who has experienced the mercy, grace, and love of God. Her story of coming out of addiction and into a life surrendered to Jesus to being the pastor’s wife is an amazing testimony of the power of God. You will love her genuine heart and be encouraged by her faith!

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In today's episode, Michele Cole shares her story of becoming the pastor's wife, facing infertility, and the diagnoses of autism and ADHD for her boys.

Michele emphasizes the role of faith in the midst of difficult journeys and the importance of finding spiritual and relational support. She also gives great insight into way the church can be more inclusive and understanding, ensuring that all families feel welcomed and supported. 

If you are a pastors' wife and mom to kids with special needs, you will be so encouraged by this episode! And if you’re a pastor’s wife who wants to deepen her understanding of how to minister to moms of special needs kids, you’re going to get a lot out of this episode. 

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Kristen Smith has been married to her husband Heath, pastor of Alpha Baptist Church in Morristown, TN, for six years. They are parents to two boys, ages 4 and 2. You're going to love Kristen and her enthusiasm and joy for the pastor wife life.

On this episode we talked about so many things and I struggled with giving this episode a title because it was all so good!  So get ready to hear about starting a book club in your church, transitioning from one church to another, her dad's part in Kristen becoming the pastor's wife, and so much more! (Maybe I should've called this episode: When Dad is the Matchmaker.)

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Alpha Baptist Church in Morristown TN

LINKS WE MENTIONED:
Avid Readers of Christian Fiction (Facebook group)
Someone Like You - Karen Kingsbury (book)
The Unlikely Yarn of the Dragon Lady - Sharon Mondragon (book)

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Transitioning out of one ministry and into the next is one of the most challenging aspects of the pastor wife life and it’s one that 99.99% will probably experience at least once. In today’s episode, Julie Lynn Ashley shares the lessons she learned when she and her husband were faced with an unexpected transition.

From the initial shock of realizing change was happening to the eventual acceptance and navigation of the transition, it’s clear that Julie Lynn relied heavily on her faith and sought guidance from God throughout the journey. She also talks about the value of having a “Jill” in your life.

Her reflections on the mistakes made and lessons learned offer valuable insights for others facing similar transitions in their lives. It’s beautiful to see how God works to redeem difficult situations and lead us to unexpected blessings.

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PIR Ministries

Alongside: Empowering Ministry Wives

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Lisa Dingle is not just a pastor’s wife and mom, she is also the program supervisor for a social services program with a master’s degree in psychology. In today’s episode, Lisa shares her story of finding herself and her then-fiance (and spoiler alert: now husband) in a toxic relationship with a narcissistic pastor. Although it nearly destroyed Lisa and John’s relationship, twenty years later she is thankful for all that she learned about who God is through that season and how it propelled her into the mental health field where she is serving and helping others today. Lisa talks about recognizing the signs of toxicity and how to find healing as well as recommending resources to learn more.

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Lisa’s church - Millville Assembly

LINKS WE MENTIONED

Therapy & Theology on YouTube (Lysa Terkeurst podcast)

Therapy & Theology Podcast

Boundaries by Henry Cloud (book)

Good Boundaries and Goodbyes: Loving Others Without Losing the Best of Who You Are (book)

It’s Not Supposed to Be This Way: Finding Unexpected Strength When Disappointments Leave you Shattered by Lysa Terkeurst (book)

Forgiving What You Can't Forget: Discover How to Move On, Make Peace with Painful Memories, and Create a Life That’s Beautiful Again - by Lysa Terkeurst (book)

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You may remember today’s guest from episode 96. Heather Creekmore is a pastor’s wife, author, podcaster, online course creator and coach focused on improving body image from a biblical perspective.

In today’s episode, we chat about the cultural pressure on women’s body and how we can find a balanced and biblical approach to body image, food, and exercise. We talked the importance of addressing struggles with body image in our churches and how we can engage in open and honest conversations rooted in biblical truth.

I know for me, I’m on camera all the time in videos, photos, and I’m on stage every week at church. It’s easy to be self-conscious and focused on how I look. Maybe I’m the only one, but if that sounds like you too, you’re going to love my conversation with Heather.

CONNECT WITH HEATHER
Heather's website - Improve Body Image
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Heather's YouTube channel
Heather on Pinterest

HEATHER'S BOOKS
The 40-Day Body Image Workbook
The Burden of Better: How a Comparison Free Life Leads to Joy, Peace, and Rest
Compared to Who: A Proven Path to Improve Your Body Image
(releasing April 2, 2024!) Aging Gratefully: a 30-day Devotional for Women

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Angelene Garlinghouse is a missionary's daughter, a lead pastor's wife, mom to 6 kids, a teacher, and a published author. In this conversation, she shares the importance of understanding and embracing the truth in God's word and rejecting the lies of the enemy and how that helped her to walk in wholeness and healing in her own life.

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Angelene's book - Becoming Who God Created You To Be

LINKS WE MENTIONED
Lord, I Want to Know You - Kay Arthur
The Voice of the Martyrs

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As pastors' wives, we are often called on to offer comfort to those grieving the loss of a loved one. But what do we do when WE are the ones grieving? In this episode, I'm chatting with Kerstin Turner about unexpectedly losing her mom and how she walked through this season as a pastor's wife and as a mom.

LINKS WE MENTIONED:
Griefshare - Grief & Loss Support Groups
Adam Young's podcast - The Place We Find Ourselves
The PWL | Episode 110 - Ministering Out of Personal Tragedy with Karen Altizer
The PWL | Episode 135 - Lessons from a Grief Coach with Julie Lynn Ashley
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Carrie Turansky is a pastor's wife of 45 years and also an award-winning novelist. In this episode we chat about ways to help our marriages thrive in the midst of ministry.

LINKS WE MENTIONED
YNAB
Avid Readers of Christian Fiction Facebook group 
Carrie's books - The Legacy of Longdale Manor is her latest one

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Are you still finding your footing in 2024? Don't worry, it's not too late to set the tone for an amazing year ahead!

In this episode I’m sharing the questions I asked myself on New Year's Eve to prepare for the year ahead and I’m inviting you to reflect on the highlights of 2023, acknowledge areas that didn't go as planned, and uncover surprising moments that shaped the past year.

Discover how this simple yet powerful reflection exercise can help you gain clarity in various areas of your life – from relationships and family to personal growth and aspirations to church life.

But most importantly, we’re inviting God into all of it. Allowing Him to help us process last year and step into a new year with purpose, joy, and freedom.

• What were the highlights of 2023?
• What didn’t go as you would have liked?
• What surprised you (good and bad!)?
• What are your hopes for 2024

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Carrie Turansky’s website

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In this episode, I'm chatting with Ciera Sanders, a young lead pastor's wife in Williston, South Carolina. You will love her heart for God, family, ministry, and her community!

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@ThatSandersGirl
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Bre Dickson is a new-ish pastor's wife and in this episode, she's sharing what her transition from the big city to a smaller town has been like. I loved chatting with her about her pastor wife life and hearing what she's learned. You're going to love her!

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LINKS WE MENTIONED
Thrive Ministry Wives Certificate Program

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