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The Bikeriders
What if the roar of a motorcycle engine could teach you about life, passion, and resilience? Join us for an exhilarating ride through the world of motorcycle culture as we chat with my dad, Bob Miranda, a true motorcycle enthusiast. From his first brush with bikes thanks to grandpa, to his undying love for Harley Davidson, Bob shares his most thrilling adventures on two wheels, complete with some hair-raising road stories. We also draw fascinating parallels between his passion and the gripping narratives found in "The Bike Riders" and "Sons of Anarchy."
Ever wonder how a 30-year-old photography book morphs into a blockbuster biker gang movie? We'll break down the transformation, discussing everything from historical inaccuracies and discarded storylines to the cinematic style reminiscent of "Goodfellas." Tune in for our candid critiques of accents and performances, especially Tom Hardy's role. We'll also touch on Austin Butler's meteoric rise to A-list status. Plus, we dive into the real-life inspirations for the fictional Vandals gang and the delicate art of balancing compelling storytelling with respect for real outlaw biker clubs.
In our final segment, we peel back the layers of biker gang dynamics, exploring the intricate relationships and power struggles that define them. From Benny's love story to Johnny's tragic downfall, we examine the moral complexities and risks of biker life. Alongside this cinematic journey, we reminisce about iconic TV shows like "Sons of Anarchy," comparing their depth and portrayal of biker culture. Whether you're a motorcycle aficionado or just fascinated by the outlaw lifestyle, this episode promises a gripping exploration of the evolution of motorcycle culture on and off the screen.
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excuse me, is anybody sitting here? Sorry, this is taken, sorry welcome to this.
Speaker 2:He's taken where I'm. Your host, rob miranda, got the 124th episode. I believe it is now. Um, probably this is my top five favorite movies of the year. I think maybe even higher. I would even say top three of my favorite movies of the year, where today we're going to be talking about the bike riders, and today I couldn't have a better guest than my old man, 1800, bob miranda thank you for having me back I had you on because you this, you can relate to this movie.
Speaker 2:not only is it taking place in chicago, and then reference gary in this area, area which is not too far from here but you yourself are also part of a biker gang, so you kind of can relate to the culture.
Speaker 1:Biker club.
Speaker 2:Biker club Biker enthusiast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I want to hear your insights about this because I know, on top of that, you're also a huge fan of Sons of Anarchy, which we might touch on a little bit towards the end, and I remember growing up, bikes were always around because of you. Like, you had your own couple of bikes, and I remember one year for your birthday we went to Milwaukee for like a bike I don't even know what you call it.
Speaker 1:It was the anniversary, I think the 100th anniversary. We were there, so it was a big old fest 100th anniversary of what?
Speaker 2:The company being established, yeah, in Milwaukee. It got established in Milwaukee.
Speaker 1:That's the home plant. That's where it started. Remember we saw that little hut. Yeah, remember the museum we went to.
Speaker 2:I didn't know that was where it started, oh we actually saw the house.
Speaker 1:It was like a little garage, it was like a shed. I said that's where it all started at. Two guys started from there and they built it up to what it is today how did you get in the motorcycles?
Speaker 1:our grandpa had one my, my dad had a motorcycle, so I was always interested in it and just like in this movie where the kids are outside and you see a bunch of bikers roll by, that was actually me I seen and I'm like, I like that, you know. And eventually, when I grew up, I didn't do it to my until I was in my 30s, but until I found people who really, how do I say? Uh, wanted, I wanted to do what they were doing.
Speaker 1:They were traveling state to state, riding and all that I that's what I wanted to do and I finally got hooked up with some people and we did it you know now how far are finally got hooked up with some people and we did it.
Speaker 2:How far are you into motorcycles? Some people can look at a motorcycle and talk about what kind it is and what makes it awesome.
Speaker 1:I can tell what it is because there's different types Panhead, Shovelhead, Evolutions.
Speaker 2:Because you're strictly Harley Davidson I know.
Speaker 1:the only other one I know is Indians. My first bike I had was a Honda. It was a Nighthawk 750. That was the first bike I ever had, didn't know how to ride, did not know how to ride. I went to the dealership looking around with my mouth open and the lady's like it's only $100 down and I'm like I can do that right now. She goes, you want to ride it home? I'm like this might sound stupid, but I don't know how to ride. She goes.
Speaker 1:We get that a lot and they put it on a trailer. They dropped it off in my driveway and when I woke my dad up, dad, you got to show me how to ride. He gave me a five-minute lecture as he's putting his jacket and shoes on. Then he drove it to the schoolyard, shoes on it. Then he drove it to the schoolyard. He probably loved it more than you did. He drove it to the schoolyard, he rode it around, he told me what to do and that was the first and one only time I ever hit a wheelie on there. I gave it too much gas, my legs went flying up and I came down and after that I got it.
Speaker 2:I was on there I remember, because I think you you had two bikes for like a short minute and I remember one day you sold the first one and then I remember driving. I was like that's my bike, right over there Someone else? Is riding it so the guy must have sold it too. I remember there is a story out there where you got in an accident.
Speaker 1:I actually been in three accidents but luckily I walked away from it. Worst I had was a couple stitches in the head.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, away from it. Worst I had was a couple stitches in the head. Yeah, well, that one. I remember you telling me that was pretty gruesome.
Speaker 1:Well, actually it was in the wintertime too. What saved me was I was all leather. This was like in November, december. I'm on my motorcycle. Why, I have no clue, but then I thought it was cool. So, all in leather, I had the chaps on the heavy leather coat, leather mask and a leather skull cap and uh, took a corner and the ice got underneath me and I went, slid out from under me. I got banged up and woke up in the hospital that's not the one.
Speaker 2:I'm talking that story, but that's not the one I'm talking about did you like get hit by a car? Oh, yeah that's the first one I ever thought of.
Speaker 1:Well, that one was just. I just had road rash on there. I was going straight and the car would turn right into me going into a rally hamburger joint.
Speaker 2:Kind of like in this movie, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Yeah how that guy was backing out. Yeah, he turned into me, caught my back tire and I spun around and I went flying in the air, but I just had road rash on that yeah, but that guy like legit thought he killed you. Yeah, he was panicking he was actually out on the curb, you know, sitting down the curb crying, and when I walked over and says hey, I'm okay, he looked at me and he really he really, really freaked out after that, yeah I said it's okay, my bike was totaled after that, but that sucks now the bike I grew up with you that I.
Speaker 2:I grew up with you having was a Harley Davidson Fat Boy.
Speaker 1:It was the 40th anniversary edition.
Speaker 2:I think.
Speaker 1:No, it was a Fat Boy, but it was the 95th anniversary.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember that thing. I thought the bike was so cool and then he sold it because my sister, your daughter, had a Kinsenieta. And then after that, I became the favorite.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I became the favorite.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that was. I know that was hard for you to go. You went years without a bike again and you bought one like maybe three or four years ago.
Speaker 1:It was longer than that, though I got a bigger one now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, those weren't big ones like for people just to paint an image Like it's still on two wheels but it's one ultra classic, so it's a big one that one's definitely meant for traveling. Traveling yeah, I'm not a big fan of those. I think they look their first one looks so much cooler I'm not into cool, no more.
Speaker 1:I'm into comfortable right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, yeah, I know this guy might work who he's a client and then he comes. You know he's gonna be there like four minutes before he's actually there, because he's he spends at least over a grand a year on upgrading his music. He's a radio. Yeah, I was like, come on, dude, it's an expensive toy.
Speaker 1:They actually have sound competitions for that yeah so people, they, yeah, they put speakers wherever they could put them and the amplifiers and yeah, they, yeah, they overkill on it.
Speaker 2:I never got the bug for that. I know you always thought me or one of my brothers would get into that. At least I admire them so much I really do, and I think about it all the time Like, A, I got nowhere to keep it here and two, I just don't want to spend actual money on it.
Speaker 1:For Harleys's. It's an expensive toy. You could buy it brand new, but you're still going to change it and add stuff to it to make it your own yeah because if you go to harley's store, you know, buy that bike. Well, you're going to run across someone who has the exact exact same bike and you don't want that yeah, you want your own.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're talking about this movie too. Like one of the mechanics is like exactly as you said, I got the same exact one. It's like no, you don't buddy. I got a different exhaust or whatever it is.
Speaker 1:Then, as you get older, it turns out to be an extension of yourself, your personality and all that starts to the big theme about this movie we're going to talk about.
Speaker 2:It's not just about motorcycles itself. It's sharing the love for motorcycles, like you know, being a part of something bigger, like a bonding thing between these friends and um, that's exactly what this movie is going to be about.
Speaker 2:Today. We're, like I mentioned, we're going to be talking about bike riders. It just came out. This movie is actually supposed to come out in 2023 but, due to the actor strike and everything like that, it got pushed back to this year. Uh, and I'm glad because I think it was going to be like a november-ish, um release date. I think they couldn't come out with a better time in the summertime, because everyone's out on bikes right now you know I had the pleasure of seeing this movie twice.
Speaker 2:I might go see it again third time. You saw it, so it only came out exactly. I went to go see it thursday and I think I'll go see friday night again oh, you got the early edition yeah, thursday I went like around five o'clock right after work, um, and it wasn't a lot of people. There was maybe like four or five other people in the whole theater. But, like I said, that was like the early, early showing. Friday night I went with a couple friends.
Speaker 2:That theater was packed and half the reason it was packed is because there was an actual biker gang there and it's like the whole outside of the whole theater, like they have the whole sidewalk covered in their motorcycles and everything they took out two or three rows and then at first I was like I wasn't like scared, but like it was intimidating, because like I was like, oh god, they're gonna be talking and be rowdy the whole movie, which they kind of were, but not in an annoying way, but like it was a kind of funny way to see what they were laughing at, because like you can tell what they related to and stuff like that you can see what they didn't like about this movie too.
Speaker 2:Um, and one of the things is, um, the very first line of this movie that these two guys in a bar go out to butler's character character, say, boy, you can't wear the fucking colors in here, and that was all they needed to set them off, was like I wish a motherfucker would say that to me and stuff like that. Um, I could just say that the gang it was I don't even know his club it was, um, it wasn't a only few.
Speaker 2:Oh, chosen few, chosen few, sorry, Chosen few and they were, like I said, I didn't think they were annoying at all. I think they made the experience a little bit funnier. They didn't like the ending, which I want to talk about, the ending Towards the second half of this part, but for the most part they seemed like they enjoyed it. I would say Everyone had a good time. Even the people who weren't with them, who were just regularly watching the movie. They seemed to enjoy it. I really love this movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when I went, it was because I used to go to the show with you quite a bit and I rarely, because we rarely seen a movie where there was a lot of people in there.
Speaker 2:Besides like a superhero movie or something like that.
Speaker 1:Right, right. And when I I went, it was a 7 o'clock show and there was about 30, 35 people in there, and a lot of them didn't look like biker people either. I thought that was kind of strange, but it was kind of good too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's something that fascinates people. Even shows like Sons of Anarchy, the Mayans, stuff like that it does have a following. Like I said, a lot of people don't even ride bikes like that stuff, um. So this movie, let me read them. It's written and directed by jeff nichols and this movie is about, after a chance sorry, after a chance encounter headstrong kathy is drawn to benny, a member of the midwestern motorcycle club, the vandals as trans. As the club transforms into a dangerous underworld of violence, benny must choose between kathy and his loyalty to the club. Now, this is very, very loose a true story because it's based on a book, um, that came out probably 30 years ago now, early 2000s, I think it was um. It's based off of that book and I know you mentioned like how much of it was true. I tried looking up how much of it was true.
Speaker 1:It's it's not very true at all it's like they say loosely based on actually yeah, so the book itself.
Speaker 2:It's a photography book that has, like you know, recordings with it. Not, they said, about 70 of the dialogue was from that book. Now, what about the actual plot? Very, very little to nothing was from that book. Like have you read early drafts of this movie? Like there was a possible consideration between, like a love triangle between, johnny and Benny and that girl, his wife. I don't think I would have liked that, kathy, I don't think I would have liked that story. To me, the story was so perfect.
Speaker 1:Right. I don't think that would have worked out.
Speaker 2:That would have been A. There was a big age difference.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you ain't supposed to do that in a brotherhood like that, yeah, you're messing around with someone else's girl, so I don't think that would have worked.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so this movie is starring. It has huge names in this movie. First of all, you didn't know too much about this movie before you went to go see it. Right, you were expecting something a little bit different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when I was going off of basically what I saw in the previews, I thought it was going to show him how he started the club, not where it was already established, and them having flashbacks To me it reminded me of Goodfellas.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's probably what it was going for.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know that type, Especially with the girl narrating it all the time.
Speaker 2:it sounded just like the girl from Goodfellas. Yeah, I want to talk about her for a quick second. Her voice I mean I've watched interviews with her that's obviously not her real voice. I can tell she probably tried preparing for this role. And they said Chicago. So I want to try to come up with a Chicago accent. To me it felt more like Minnesotanesota, like borderline canadian accent.
Speaker 1:I thought it was new jersey or something I, it was not chicago and at all.
Speaker 2:And same thing with uh, johnny's accent like um played by um tom hardy, tom hardy. I didn't care for his voice at all. I was like this is a big, tough guy and he has like such a less intimidating voice yeah which you know. When it comes down, he was a truck driver in real life. Like these guys are just regular people too, like you, don't like. Benny is an exception with his deep voice.
Speaker 1:He was an actual, an outlaw biker and yeah yeah, um, as mentioned, starring tom hardy playing johnny.
Speaker 2:Who's this older gentleman? Who's the one who started the club? And it started out so innocent like he just watching tv and banana, like not bonanza, but like I forgot what movie show he was watching.
Speaker 1:It was an old one, an old one.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It sounded, I could see it, I could picture it, but I can't think of the name It'll come to me, but he was watching it.
Speaker 2:He's like man, those guys seem so cool, so he's like you know what? Let me get it started out innocent, like, as like a motorcycle racing club where they just go to the dirt track and start racing around and then he goes one day like you know, like why don't we start a riding club? Like because all they do is just talk about sitting around and talk about bikes.
Speaker 2:He's like that's exactly what we do. So, sure enough, he took half the guys who started the riding club and he joined them and that's how the Vandals started. Now the Vandals, as you told me before, is a real club and it's still active to this day.
Speaker 1:No Vandals was made up. No, no, no. Yeah, but it's based off of Based off of Goop called the Outlaws, yeah who's a big rival for Hell's? Angels, hell's Angels, yeah, and they're worldwide.
Speaker 2:And part of the reason why because the director who started writing this like 2010 or something like that part of the reason why he wanted took so long. He wanted to get a story just perfect and not use so much of a real story because he doesn't want to offend anybody who's still in the active gang um, the biggest I. I know the trailer. I thought this movie was a little bit more of an avenging story because Austin Butler was only in there for like two minutes, not even a full two minutes out of all the trailers that came out. So I thought maybe something must have happened to him and their game is going to be like an avenging story. And turns out, I found out, because 98, 90% of this movie someone's smoking on screen and because of that they can't show that in trailers At least, not too much of it in trailers.
Speaker 1:Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because that scene where they burn down the bar, he's lighting up the cigarettes like burn it down. In the trailers, if you go back and watch it, he's not smoking a cigarette in that scene and Austin Butler almost had a cigarette every single scene he was in. Like I think it was Very, very different time between gangs like biker clubs from now and then, and I'll talk more about that towards the end. So anyways, austin Butler was my biggest concern about this movie. He's the guy who played Elvis recently, like two years ago. He's been in a handful of roles. He's becoming a very A-list actor. He is an A-list actor now.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you've ever seen him or noticed him in anything else. Part of the reason a lot of people like to hate on him because before Elvis he had a normal higher voice, pitch voice and then when he was training to get the Elvis voice, he just always had it. He just stuck with it and people were thinking he's fully fake and phony. I was like, hey, if I had the option to have that cool-ass voice, I would do that all the time too, talking all the time and, too, it's probably just his normal voice now he can go back if he wants to, but why would you want to go back right, right. Um, because of that, like I, I didn't really have too much faith in this movie. I thought he's gonna be like too superficial, like overplaying it, doing it too much. I thought he was probably my favorite part about this movie, benny yeah, he was the main character on it.
Speaker 1:He was cool as hell coolest ones he was cool, he was badass like you said, he was an outlaw he was just somebody who didn't really care um, I like how I don't know I could say it, but how he chased away the boyfriend and didn't even have to say one word. Yeah, that.
Speaker 2:That's where it really got the gang, like they were laughing like hell yeah someone said like that's so chicago. That's what he said. Oh man, that was so funny, um, like going back into it, like there's a handful of famous people in this movie. The biggest surprise for me who I didn't know was going to be in it was michael shannon which one was he? He was that older one who was like really upset, he couldn't get into the war like the crazy one.
Speaker 2:Okay, he's a real famous actor uh, I was surprised to see him in this movie. Uh, mike fast, who was in this movie? He was the interviewer. He was just in the famous movie challenges that was came out a couple months ago. Um, trying to see who else in here, but everyone I felt was perfect, casted perfectly, and they all had cool nicknames in this movie yeah, cockroach, corky, and it's kind of funny every character they had, you know the drunk, the wild one, the complainer.
Speaker 1:I could relate that to my group to oh, that's so, and so that's so and so that's all so and so exo. It's like it was crazy. It was funny you're.
Speaker 2:I imagine when I introduced you you're called you 1800. That was your biker name yeah 1800.
Speaker 1:Tell people why it's typically because my favorite drink is tequila 1800.
Speaker 2:Something said that's, that's yeah part of the wildest nickname in this movie was cockroach. Yeah, because he liked eating bugs, it's like, and he wore it with a badge of honor I like eating bugs. He didn't see nothing wrong with it that he had his wife in the background, was looking at the sky and walked away on him. I was like I hope they don't show him eating bugs in this movie. What are some cool nicknames on your old crew?
Speaker 1:they had quite a dude. I was on juju grease, pretty much someone.
Speaker 2:That sums up your personality or what you're into at the time, you know, yeah I remember because I used to come around oh, it used to be, they used to call me 900 because of you. Right, but going into the actual storyline, I felt like the pacing was so great. They didn't have any music like actual songs in there, but just instrumental like badass music in this. I thought it made it so much cooler. The fact that I was based in Chicago and they name dropped Gary in Indiana a couple times was very cool for us Midwesterners, because in Chicago we've probably driven past the suburb a hundred times that they were in.
Speaker 2:And they mentioned Milwaukee, which is, you know, like two-hour drives from us. They mentioned Columbus, I think, and you know just stuff around here. It was pretty cool, Like someone was from Fort Wayne, I think, they said something like that. So it was pretty cool, like just to give us a little shout out like history and then those they still have chapters out there in those exact same places, yeah even out here in indiana.
Speaker 1:They got, uh, they got outlaws in indiana here so yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 2:Um, now this whole movie is being told in the perspective of kathy. She is being interviewed by one of the spikers who rode with the gang. But he told everybody that he wants to start interviewing people because one day he wants to write a book about them maybe and he's very cool and not so lots of. And I thought it was so smart for her because she wasn't really in the gang, she was just with Benny Benny's lady. So, versus this story being told by somebody in the gang, of course you're going to be telling them like hero stories and stuff like that making it look so much cooler, kathy.
Speaker 2:She was like these guys follow these made-up rules and shit like that. These guys are idiots. She told it how it was and it was such a smart idea and I love the idea of it because I've seen many movies like this told by this perspective of an interview it just makes it smoother.
Speaker 2:Like, why are you telling this? And then the fact that the kid writing it he was a part of the game. He was wearing the colors too. I don't know if you noticed. I thought that was pretty cool and I was kind of surprised they let him do that too I didn't catch that part then yeah, he was wearing the colors. He was someone. I don't know if it's like honorary thing or what?
Speaker 2:yeah, but then he went away for a little bit and then he comes back because he wants to finish the book and find out what happened to everybody yeah, because a lot has happened when he left.
Speaker 2:So the movie starts off like I said. It's very innocent, like maybe 30 or 40 guys um, just chilling in the club, and it opens up with kathy going in their biker bar. She was so perky and innocent, like fresh out of college probably, and all these guys wearing just their vests and like grabbing on her and stuff like that she had white pants on when she walked out.
Speaker 1:She had handprints on her.
Speaker 2:But what stopped her was one look at Benny at the pool table, and man, he looked cool as hell too, leaning over the pool table. Yeah, she was hooked. She sat back down real quick.
Speaker 2:She goes like I'm going to get out of here. And then Benny's like all right, and he walks outside. Or she walks outside first and he doesn't even look at her, slowly, walks over to his bike, lights a cigarette, starts it up. All the guys come up, come on, get her on her bike with them and this is probably one of my top three favorite scenes in the whole movie. She gets on the bike with them and she goes like that's when I saw them, like really who they were.
Speaker 1:They were on the highway at nighttime, just riding like it was.
Speaker 2:It was something establishing a bond and they all rolled up on them. Yeah, you could see what the attraction was with these guys and why they do this. Because, like it, like you don't have to say anything, like you know, like we're going faster, we're going slower, we're just cruising. Just cruising, like it was so cool, like establishing stop Early on in the movie, one of the top three favorite parts of the whole movie After that he drops her off at four in the morning, something like that, and who's sitting on the?
Speaker 2:doorstep is her old man her.
Speaker 1:I think husband, at the time Her boyfriend.
Speaker 2:Her boyfriend Her boyfriend was sitting there Doesn't say anything to the boyfriend. Instead he drives off and then he thinks he's taking off and he comes back around on the other side. He just sits there all night. He gets off, he just plants himself sitting on the bike Just staring at the house smoking a cigarette, stays there all night until the next night. And then her husband her boyfriend comes home from work. He's like fuck this I'm leaving.
Speaker 2:That guy's sitting out there as soon as, as soon as he drove away, benny gets off, he stretches like open, knocks on the door. He's like you want to come to a meeting and she goes five weeks later we were married. It happens quick and you know people wonder what's the attraction. They're like. You know, that's such an opposite world for me when she even says later in the movie, like I think I could change him. You know, like that's such an opposite world for me.
Speaker 1:And she even says later in the movie, like I think I could change him. You know, like that kind of feeling, People like that. They don't want that bad boy image and they want to feel safe and if you can make them feel safe, they enjoy it, they love it.
Speaker 2:And speaking of that like it's not until she wasn't able to feel safe.
Speaker 2:What makes her, but anyway she ends up with them and then, you know, she comes part of the crew a little bit. She knows everyone's wise and stuff like that. She, she is a part of them, kind of without being a part of them. Johnny, someone challenges because he's a leader, he's a president. So if someone wants to change some rules around it, like he said, you can always challenge me. And when he means challenge me, like you know, in a fight with fists or knives, someone challenges him. Johnny kicks his fucking ass. And then what the challenge is about? The guy wanted to start a new chapter of Milwaukee.
Speaker 1:And Johnny kicks his ass. He's like no, we're not doing that.
Speaker 2:And then, once he beats him up, he's like he breaks his finger and then he goes like all right, yeah, your boys can have their chapter.
Speaker 2:He's like why'd you beat him up if you're going to let him do it? Because if anyone's going to have that idea, it's going to be me. He's just I think Kathy even says it like all that power goes to your head, you just don't know how to handle it. That's the stage of him still gaining power and I don't know about. I can see his hesitation for wanting to start a new chapter because like a like you can't, you don't even. He's at the. He says towards the end like I don't even know half of these guys.
Speaker 1:Which you can't control, which you don't know Exactly.
Speaker 2:And he's getting older towards the end, and then, um, but like you know, who's to say, they're not going to change their. Supposedly, all was supposed to report to Johnny, but that's like two states away, right, you? Guys had different chapters right in yours.
Speaker 1:Actually they got 37 chapters now. Wow, they go from east to west. You don't keep up with them do you? Still A few of them I hang around with. Still, I call them or stuff like that, but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Those are good times. A lot of people think they're're so scary stuff like that. I remember they used to come around and they're nicest guys in the world.
Speaker 1:They were very funny and personable one thing about the movie that I noticed they always seem so dirty yeah, like their clothes shirts and the guy just got out the hospital and he's in the hotel healing and he's filthy. I'm like I didn't. I get it. They're trying to promote the biker lifestyle, but I mean, our guys were never. You see, some of the guys I ain't go out there dressed to the tee riding, yeah, but that's the only thing I didn't like about it. One of the cool things like man.
Speaker 2:I imagine like the the budget for a hair gel in this movie because everyone had gel in their hair.
Speaker 2:Greasers, yeah yeah, they look cool though, don't get me wrong. But that did something question like no one has a fucking washing machine, all right, and I was wondering, like how they got money too, like everyone like putts in for the dudes, because I guess the everyone does have a real job. They just don't show that part. And um, someone tried comparing this movie. I actually compared this movie to sons of anarchy, like, but sons of anarchy because it was a show. It had a lot more time to get into details, so this more is like a cliff notes version of sons of anarchy for me. I told them like just like a quick overview without getting too much into it.
Speaker 1:Well, before the. Well, what we saw was like pretty much the beforehand after at the end, when the other guy took over, how they became a true outlaw club.
Speaker 2:That's the sons of anarchy yeah, because they're eating guns and drugs and all that yeah, like I said, like this is like early late 50s, early late early 70s. Maybe there was always like a mutual code like you know like when, like when to not go too far, or stuff like that. Nowadays people just kill you for looking at you wrong. Yeah. So anyways, going back to it, benny's such a badass. He gets arrested because he was running stoplights, he was causing accidents, and what gets him? He gets away, but what gets him? He runs out of gas.
Speaker 1:He would have totally got away. He had to wait a while for them to catch up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, he was such a badass in this movie. What did you think of their bikes in this movie? Beautiful, yeah, because I'm thinking like bikes, like you have to put your arms up to think, like to rev and everything.
Speaker 1:No, like they're like scooters almost they had to kick, kickstart them if you notice that that's how old the bikes were. They had to. Actually that's pretty good. Every time they kickstart it on one try, that's pretty good. It usually takes about 15 to 20 times before it starts up.
Speaker 2:I thought that was so cool. The bikes were amazing, old style classics. Tom Hardy you couldn't find anybody to play him better than Tom Hardy. He has that body structure where it's not like super muscular but like a realistic guy like you know from the block. You know someone and someone mentioned they wish they had charlie from sons of anarchy play his character and I kind of disagree with that. Like one, like a, everyone's gonna associate with him right, he would have took away but two like he looks too similar to Benny.
Speaker 2:You know his blonde hair Actually.
Speaker 1:I thought Benny looked like an early version of.
Speaker 2:Jax.
Speaker 1:No, it wasn't.
Speaker 2:From Sons of Armour.
Speaker 1:No, it was another Kilmer, val Kilmer. Oh yeah, that's what I thought. You know a young version of him. Yeah, I thought it was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I could kind of see that, not just say that. But yeah, I'm glad Charlie didn't get in Cassidy.
Speaker 1:I think they did good with their choices.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, tom Hardy is such a badass actor.
Speaker 1:And his character just sits back, watches, don't have to say too much. Yeah, you know, that's what the leader is. You don't have to.
Speaker 2:One of my favorite tests. He puts up for the new kid to get up there.
Speaker 1:I knew it. As soon as he did it, I knew what it was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, these new kids want to come join the gang and they come up to the bar and Johnny goes like all right, you can join, and there's like seven of them back there, but only you. You got to leave fucking friends behind. What the hell are you doing? Get the fuck out of here. And that becomes the villain origin story. What starts is the kid didn't like that, so he pulls a knife on Johnny, johnny kicks his ass and that's what starts the villain origin story for that guy, basically Because it Later I didn't like this. Johnny told him no, the president of the club tells him no, but the kid sneaks in in a different chapter and joins. In that way. I was like that was kind of stupid.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, that's possible though.
Speaker 2:It is possible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and go to another chapter. But then when they find out, I mean there might be repercussions or something, there has to be some rules set by that. No, but have to be some real set by that, you know. But no, but they weren't structured like that at that time.
Speaker 2:They weren't structured like yeah, I don't want to get too much into plot details. I love this movie so much I want everyone to see it. But some questions I have for you about that specific movie is like when you're ready to get out, is it that big of a hard time to get out?
Speaker 1:yeah, like you got out pretty okay I got out but they gave me the club. My club was going into. It was split.
Speaker 2:They're going to two different directions is it like how this movie like the older guys versus the newer guys, or?
Speaker 1:actually, yeah, I could see that. Yeah, because the younger kids wanted to do it one way and, uh, the older guys who've been there for like, like now, they were set in their ways. So it was a lot of people were actually dropping out and joining another club, or they gave me the option of just walk away as long as I turned in all my stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when you turn in all your stuff, you mean your colors, my colors patches. Patches your jacket and everything Any memorabilia.
Speaker 1:If I would have had tattoos of anything on, I would that I would have to get that covered up you didn't though, right I didn't have no tattoos. I mean like yeah, no, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2:So, considering you got out lucky yeah like because, like this movie, if, if, they, if, because the cockroach wants to get out the gang because, like a is getting too dangerous and two, like he wants to like start his own career. Like he wants to be a motorcycle cop he nothing against cops, but he was like I don't see anything better than just getting paid a cent on harley davidson all day, which in theory sounds cool, all right. Well, because it's a cop. That's what makes it pisses some people off. If he would have got out in the beginning of this movie, I don't think it would have been as big of a deal. But because, like I said, these newer guys are coming in, they're more dangerous. I'm more like I think people just want to be part of a gang so they can act however they want, knowing they have backup, which is sadly what a lot of gangs are today. Versus, like you said before, like you have like some kind of honor code, like hey like no killings or anything like that.
Speaker 1:There's a they're a one percent club. One percent club you don't obey by no one's rules but your own.
Speaker 2:So yeah, you make it up as you go and that's why I was a little bit like intimidated when that gang came in and talked here's like 30 or 30 about 25 to 30 of them there and then use some old ass security guard sending this to the doors this guy ain't gonna do nothing but they couldn't just let him walk away, you know, because if someone might have, they might have did worse.
Speaker 1:But since he, he did what he did, you know, he shot him yeah, you could say, hey, I took care of it. You know I'm gonna worry about. Yeah, let's talk about that real quick.
Speaker 2:Um. So he goes to johnny cockroach goes to johnny's like I'm sorry, but I gotta turn on my colors. He's doing the right thing. He's turning his colors like he said to do. Um, but I'm scared. These new guys, once they hear I want out and you know, god forbid they hear he's gonna be a cop, they're gonna kill him, which they would. So johnny goes all right, don't, don't worry, I'll take care of this. Not knowing else's audience member. We think he's gonna go there kill him right he goes there.
Speaker 2:I think he just gets a little flesh wound if anything copped him in the knee. Well, he looked like it was in his knee. I thought it was like in his thigh or something like that yeah, could have been that serious.
Speaker 1:He's driving a bike yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then, um, it's so wild, like how we as an audience member well, for me specifically at least, you know from the first time we see cockroach, he's on that day like you call me cockroach because he bugs and he's like and then he becomes like the super quirky guy, like throughout the whole movie and then, like when you see him become a cop at the end, it's like oh, good for him.
Speaker 2:You know he did it, you know it's why this movie did that for us. Um, so he takes care of that awesome butler. Like I said, it's back and forth. He's a badass, he, he man. That scene where he gets jumped and we see him break his ankle, the whole theater's like, ooh, because he felt it and seen it. Was there a theater like that too? Yeah, breaking your ankle. And he was more upset about almost losing his foot because he can't ride.
Speaker 2:He won't be able to ride, not because he's going to lose his foot. It's because he can't ride his bike. He probably would have figured out a way still Actually.
Speaker 1:yeah, I seen there was a guy in the club, he had one arm, one arm. One arm, and he was driving his motorcycle.
Speaker 2:He was making love circles the whole time. No, he actually put the clutch and brake on one hand, one side, and he was controlling them with both and he would do burnouts and you know yeah he, he was badass yeah, because I noticed, like I remember, when you were in the bike, a lot like when you drive past another bike, you always just stick your arm out like say what's up to the other guy like that guy can't do that oh well, they go no hands.
Speaker 1:A lot of them do no hands now the stuff they do in these motorcycles I seen a guy you know a lot of people ride no hands. Now they're laying down on their bikes. I've seen party tricks like that, yeah.
Speaker 2:What about that one documentary we saw, the guy who made Indians? His party trick was he would stand on the bike. He would legit stand straight up on the bike Indian Larry.
Speaker 1:And then one day he lost control, fell and broke his neck, broke his neck, died, fell and broke his neck and broke his, died during the middle of documentary. Yeah, he's a legend. He was out from new york and, uh, he made his own bikes and he was. He was a biker through and through, he was.
Speaker 2:He's still a legend yeah, you never got into like trying to make bikes or I know I wish I'm not mechanically inclined like that, but those, those guys who mechanics on bikes.
Speaker 2:They're doing that for a reason they love that stuff, they live and breathe bikes and they can tell you anything you need to know about a bike. And you see a couple characters like that in here too. Um, I wanted to give one specific um cal, the guy who was, who didn't turn in his colors. He was a real character and he was one of the close. The real guy was real close friends with the guy who wrote the book, so a lot of the book was told from his perspective too. Um, so, going towards, let's talk about his character a little bit.
Speaker 2:He joins the second time watching this movie. I've picked up a lot more stuff than the first time. Like I kind of realized he was from california before they said he was like he talks about california, like just small conversation like in the background that I didn't catch before. So like okay, I guess I can see he was california. And then they had this big picnic and then someone rolls in from california. I was like hey, bud, like I thought I could just come, you know, hang out with you guys a little bit.
Speaker 1:What was his name?
Speaker 2:funny, funny sunny, funny sunny funny sunny who plays, but you know the guy from um played by norman reedus. Perfect casting for that guy. But anyways, he comes, contributes to the picnic. He's joining some money, which I thought that was very gracious of him. A lot of people come freeloading and shit and he's like, hey, what are you doing up here? I was like I came to fuck him up.
Speaker 1:He points to Cal he never turned in his colors. I'm like oh shit, that's a big no-no others.
Speaker 2:I'm like, oh shit, that's a big no. No, yeah, here we go. And he's like, yeah, yeah, but he's like, are you gonna do it? He's like, nah, I like you guys. But uh, funny sonny, I can't remember I don't know they did ever said what club he was from.
Speaker 2:They sit on this jacket something devils cali, job devils, maybe something, I don't know. Sorry about that, but uh, it's. He was a character. I love calvin as much. And then you have characters like um, uh, what's his name? Wahoo and uh corky, who were just two goons.
Speaker 2:They reminded me a lot of characters from freaking greece, almost like yeah, they didn't really add too much to the story, but they're like just a part of the gang making jokes, um. And then you have characters like uh zipko, like played by michael shannon, who was just like some batshit crazy guy like who, and all these people had nowhere to go. But they ended up finding each other and making this, finding a love for bikes, right. And then you have johnny's right hand man, uh brucey, yeah, who seemed like a square to me, you know the beginning and then, but he had, he had a johnny's back throughout the whole movie. And then it's another character you didn't really find yourself caring about too much until he, until something happens to him, and then he's like, oh shit, that did how you part, and what hit even harder was the funeral scene.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Where they tried giving flowers. The family didn't, even though it wasn't the biker gang club's fault. The mother is still grieving and they wanted somebody to blame. And Johnny was the one to blame. And that happens and I would love so much. She did get upset and spit in his face, but Johnny held it together because he knows, like I said, she just wants somebody to blame and it's tough when you lose somebody, especially with a biker.
Speaker 1:They said they didn't want him there he was. They didn't want to accept the flowers. We're going to take them ourselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, did you stick around for like the real pictures at the end?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it looks like it's well. I've been a few biker funerals and, oh my God, it's sad but it is beautiful. Yeah, you get bikers, not just your club but other your chapters. They come from all over. Then you get these other bike clubs who come to show respect and when they go from the church to a funeral, that procession is bikes for miles. It's beautiful.
Speaker 2:I like what you said like from other clubs, clubs too because a lot of people think like they're just clubs are just hating every other club. It's not really the case.
Speaker 1:For most times there's some mutual respect there right, there is, until all it takes is one smart-ass person stupid instance, then it'll spark off a nationwide beef well and then, um, how about the ladies in this club, like the wives and stuff like that?
Speaker 2:what the chick with the beehive and everything? Those are pretty funny.
Speaker 1:You have to have some kind of special lady to be in this world, yeah like some badass chick well, they didn't do it, but like the, there are girls who they wear colors too. Yeah, they're considered property of, or old ladies and stuff like that. Or now they even have a sister club.
Speaker 2:I don't think I've ever seen one of those.
Speaker 1:There's a certain bike club and then the girls it's all women club, but they're affiliated with them.
Speaker 2:They're under them.
Speaker 1:So they will be protected if needed, you know.
Speaker 2:I would like to see that. I don't think I've ever seen a club full of just women, that'd be pretty sick.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of them in Chicago. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. There's nothing sexier than a woman. Some of the clubs like they even give back to the community, like I know Howl's Agent was famous for doing, like the toy drive and stuff like that. And I remember reading this story on Facebook one time, like this kid lost his dad and he was so nervous about going to the first day of school, so the whole club wrote him to school. You know small stuff like that.
Speaker 1:They do feel that like do you feel they do?
Speaker 2:like after they look after their own, I should say too they do a lot for, like bullying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, someone's getting bullied at school and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah because everyone's a hard ass actually that's a club that I might be interested in joining. It's called baka bikers against child abuse. Oh yeah, and they do situation like that, if you know, if they have to go to court, if a kid has to testify abusive, abusive parent or something you know, an intimidation thing. They go there and support the kid.
Speaker 2:Speaking of intimidation, this is my second favorite scene in the movie, when something happens to Benny at a bar. Johnny goes where was that taking place? And the whole club comes just sitting. He opens the door. They're all just sitting there all intimidated. That was badass. That's when I got my goosebumps going. I was like, oh shit, intimidated that was. That was badass.
Speaker 1:That's like my got my goosebumps going like oh shit, that was cool that was real cool and he goes burn it down and then I thought they were going to go in there and drink. You know, they told that the guy to leave. I thought there was gonna take over the bar take over the bar.
Speaker 2:That's what I had thought then, uh, I wish it were just because they got the names from the guy. I wish they were just showing the scene with them going to their house or something doing something. But then they burn it down and then, um, brucey's like we gotta get out of here and johnny looks around like no we don't. We see the cops and firemen just sitting there waiting for them like so they get permission to go fix this thing that's when, like I think, all the power got to his head and, like he, he made a turn.
Speaker 2:So I fucking run this town which he did, you know. And then there's a one point where he starts, he crosses the line where he shoots his friend Cockroach, and that's when Benny gets upset and like this isn't what we do, this is what we started, we just wanted the right bikes. And he takes off, takes off from everybody, he leaves his lady and everything. I think he says he drills here to Indiana. Yeah, I couldn't imagine. And then the power gets more and more to but he was still wearing his colors though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was still wearing his colors.
Speaker 2:The power, gets more to Johnny's head and the part that I liked kind of respected, like Johnny always respected, that he left, like he didn't send people to go looking for him, like how Sonny Funny did you know he made the. He respected Johnny loves Sonny's Not Sonny Benny so much and like he even said partly because he kind of wanted to be him like not just care about anything, like not have ties or anything like that no worries.
Speaker 2:He thought he was so cool, like he just thought of him like as a brother, almost brother or son, almost kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Johnny did have a family and I wanted to bring him up too, because he has two daughters and a wife, very seem, loving, normal family. He's a truck driver, for god's sake, like it was a normal life outside of that. And then, you know, this power gets to johnny's head and he gets challenged by that new kid that we mentioned before and I liked how they show the past of that kid too, like how he was from an abused family and he stills up to his old man. And then his mom like gets upset, like after like he just saved her life probably, she throws a plate at him and that was like a lot of emotions there, without even saying too much, that was a good scene. But then he grows up with a lot of anger and he gets angry with Johnny for not letting him in. And then he gets in the club in Milwaukee, like we said, comes in and he wants to challenge them and instead of being an old man, like you know, because he knows he's getting older Johnny goes like alright, let's, let's do this.
Speaker 1:He accepted it.
Speaker 2:Tomorrow night. He said knives. So he goes there, kid. Long story short. Kid pulls a gun on him out of nowhere and Johnny dies right then and there and everyone most of the gang is there just watching, just sitting from their cars. And this is the part where the whole theater, like the gang, hated the ending. It's like man, we would have pulled up on that kid so fast and shit like that. But the more thing you got to think of this is like 50 years ago.
Speaker 1:They weren't structured though.
Speaker 2:They weren't like that. Not everyone had a gun like that, maybe a 3-4, and your whole gang maybe had a gun, but it wasn't like that. On top of that, it was just way cut off guard. They didn't expect nobody to do like that, and the part that pissed me off was two of the guys still riding with them, you know yeah, I saw that and you could tell at the end of the when they showed them and they're looking, they didn't like it no, they were kind of nervous.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they didn't like want to be there, but they had no choice. It seemed like yeah I would have left. I mean, I mean they probably give you a hard time about it. That would have changed my eyes too.
Speaker 2:Yeah he even he even said, like someone mentioned, like they think that was the end of the golden era of motorcycles.
Speaker 1:They just were a bunch of group of guys who wanted to drink and raise hell, yeah, you know. Then they took it to another level, another outlaw level.
Speaker 2:Because, like you said, they bring in guns and killings, drugs, prostitution, you know all kinds of stuff. Right, it just made a club look bad, Like is it a bad name? Now, I'm sure there are clubs out there that that's all they do. They don't want no trouble or anything like that. They're respectable.
Speaker 1:They're respectable. There's what did you say. There's motorcycle clubs there. You got to have MC motorcycle club. A lot of them are one percenter. Then you could just be a motor club, motorcycle social club. Those are just groups of guys who just get together and have fun chill on the parking lot for rides.
Speaker 2:We love the actual ride, you know so now they got christian groups, you know there is actual structures to these clubs like there's a president, there's treasuries, there's um right hand second in command stuff.
Speaker 1:A president, there's treasuries, there's right-hand second-in-command and stuff like that, sergeant-at-arms, and you got soldiers and road captains, to the point where, even when you drive it off, there's a specific order you drive in Right. President, vice president, sergeant-at-arms is up in front, the treasurer's up in front, the road captain's up in front and everyone else just falls in line. Either they go by seniority or wherever you really want.
Speaker 2:I think that's very badass. When it comes down to it, people just want to be part of something bigger and you just find each other.
Speaker 1:It's fun when you're on the road and you start to grow, like we would have a trip going down to St Louis, well, detroit would start. Detroit chapter would start way before us. So they start coming and they'll call us when they're closer. Chicago's coming. So when we start riding we're on the 65, chicago will catch up or, you know, we'll wait for Detroit to come. Then we'll jump on Detroit and Chicago comes up behind us. And before you know it, you got like 80 guys on yeah, and I've seen like maybe riding two side by side, you know three part and three.
Speaker 1:You know, six feet in front of you I've been seeing.
Speaker 2:Um, I've seen maybe like a handful, less than a handful of times in my theater, like a big one driving by and stuff like that. But that's different now, like you have cell phones, like hey, I'm almost here, but here, like then, like they didn't have that, they just had to like look at a map and like try to line up with each other.
Speaker 1:Well, you do it so many times Like we're leaving Detroit. We should be over here approximately yeah, so this time. So that's why they go on the side of the road on 65 and just park on the side. You could hear them coming, so you start up.
Speaker 2:You're ready to go? Really, really emphasizing this movie was like, uh, the bike, just the noise, like it's like a rolling thunder coming your way, like it's like a calling call, like um calling card, I should say.
Speaker 1:And then, um, it could be like troubles coming, or just like, hey, my boys are coming, like something, something good, like when they went to that car show and they heard all these bikes, everyone just stopped the looks, yeah, yeah um, and at the end you know benny's looking up like he's in florida now, like in his better life.
Speaker 2:He hears bikes in the background and it kind of fades out and he looks at his lady, smiles, knowing he's made the right choice. Um, going back before, like johnny got killed, though like there is a moment where you watch him, like cut put on his jacket, says goodbye to his wife and like I really like that moment because a like she probably didn't know he was going there or two, she just assumed he was coming back. But like I really liked how they show that because like it shows really he had a choice and he kind of thinks about it there. I think he thinks of it. It's like I can not go right now and stay home with my lady, watch TV, have a great night or two. More than likely he wasn't coming back.
Speaker 1:It's a younger guy, right. But he loved the gang so much he loved the guy so much and she said he never got back on the bike, so he misses it, I miss it.
Speaker 2:Everyone misses it. So if that's something you've been doing, the only time I think you would not miss it is if you got in a horrible accident that made you not. Can't get on it, Right.
Speaker 1:I miss the all the bullshit, yeah, and the nonsense they went along with it. I'm getting old now I can't be getting in trouble, so, yeah, I can't do the time.
Speaker 2:So I'm not doing the crime.
Speaker 1:Put it that way, yeah, yeah this movie is.
Speaker 2:I love this movie so much I said I've seen it twice. I'm planning to go see it a third time. I don't know what it is. Well, the directing style I love so much too. Like how was like a, like a, almost like a filter put on over it to make it look more old school classic. Yeah, uh, the scenery. I thought everyone's costuming was very cool, with exception of them just being dirty. But I think the way they may look everything like the parks they have picnics at it was just so real you know, like that happens.
Speaker 1:You go to go to this place on a weekend. Every chapter has their or something, a jamboree or something, and you go like we'll go to Vegas, vegas will host their party, or Pittsburgh, we'll go to Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh holds a party for the weekend.
Speaker 2:And this director, Jeff Nichols. He's been around for a while.
Speaker 2:He's done a lot of things, but he was offered to direct A Quiet place day one the one's coming out next week but he turned it down so he can work on this one oh yeah, this was filmed in 2022, but basically because the strikes and everything happened last year, it got pushed back a little bit and to um, well, actually what got pushed back is, um, they couldn't find a studio to back them up, like for, for distribution and stuff like that. It started off with this one excuse me, I can't remember which one it was but then Disney almost picked it up, but then Disney was almost not going to yeah they must have not liked it because they decided they're not going to release it until they finally had sold it to several other different companies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, disney like I think a couple episodes ago I did Blood and Blood Out. That's a Disney movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was just telling you, I saw the Omen, the Omen's on Disney, that's just on the streaming system because they partnered up with Hulu.
Speaker 2:It wasn't made by Disney oh okay, I'm glad this movie came out. I would have been so upset if they announced it and seen the trailer and they couldn't release it.
Speaker 1:Real quick Going back. Marlon Brando, that was the actor that he was watching on TV playing the biker?
Speaker 2:I've been thinking about this all the time. I knew who it was.
Speaker 1:I can't think of the name of the motorcycle show.
Speaker 2:Did you watch that show?
Speaker 1:No, that was before my time.
Speaker 2:Something that Grandpa watched.
Speaker 1:Actually I remember Elvis doing a thing where he was on a motorcycle.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That was Presley. Yeah, he was one of his shows, michael.
Speaker 2:Shannon, that guy, the one who told you, like the older crazy one, he played in Elvis' version before too. Oh, and something small, I can't remember. I think it was Elvis and what's the president's on around that time. Um, it was some kind of short movie like that, but yeah, he plays all of us too. Um, what would you give this movie?
Speaker 1:one out of ten I'd say a good nine I'll give it 9.5 yeah, I didn't like they're dirty, they're that's the only reason they're trained bikers.
Speaker 2:I love the music, the setting, the costumes, the dialogue, the pacing of this movie I related a lot to it.
Speaker 1:They're actually the things they did.
Speaker 2:They actually do happen, yeah, and you've been watching Sons of Anarchy a lot too. Do you think this movie does a better representation of the Sons of Anarchy?
Speaker 1:Well, like I said, this one's not quite, but it's a different time, though. Different time Afterwards, when a young kid takes over. Yeah, then I could see comparing the guns that young kid.
Speaker 2:He looked cool, though I'll give him that he did look pretty badass I know he was gonna.
Speaker 1:I thought he was gonna be in a that um there was. He was gonna be like take over. He did take over but not that way.
Speaker 2:He didn't see that work his way up the.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I thought he's gonna be like prospect and work his way up in the club and end up taking over that way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because Benny didn't want the club.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought Benny was going to take him under his wing to groom him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that guy took it.
Speaker 1:He didn't give it, he took it, and that wouldn't have happened that way, though.
Speaker 2:Sons of Anarchy, though there's, like, I think, nine seasons or something like that 13, I think, nine seasons or something like that.
Speaker 1:13 seasons, 13 seasons? No, no, no. Seven seasons, seven seasons.
Speaker 2:It has a spinoff from the Mayans, it was like a different rivaling gang and I remember years you told me about there was going to be a spinoff, like a prequel, with the main character's father and his gang.
Speaker 1:Well, actually now they're showing it where it's Jax's sons, oh really, or older.
Speaker 2:I don't like that.
Speaker 1:I wish I would have done that before To have his father doing it His time when he got rid of him.
Speaker 2:That show took the world, america, by storm. I felt like that was such a popular story. That's around the same time as Walking Dead. There was a handful of shows. That's when television was better shaped now.
Speaker 1:You made sure you were home to watch it because we didn't record it we. You made sure you were home to watch it, because we didn't record it, we couldn't record it. Those are one of those shows.
Speaker 2:Like you know, everyone at work is going to be talking about it the next day. It's a great show.
Speaker 1:It's just you guys hated me now because I watch it so much. It's like not again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's a good show. The Mayans, you still kept up with that. Yeah, I watched it. Is that good as a show?
Speaker 1:Actually, I prefer the Sons of Anarchy better than the Mayans, and now they might get a spinoff.
Speaker 2:You can go forever with that kind of stuff. Yeah, different stories. Yeah, yeah, you said they went to the movies. Did you see any trailers of the movies you want to come out or see coming soon?
Speaker 1:Well, of course, deadpool, is it Deadpool?
Speaker 2:Yeah, deadpool, deadpool, and well, of course, deadpool, deadpool, wolverine yeah.
Speaker 1:Quiet Place is coming out next week the previews I saw online I didn't care for, but when I seen it on the screen I was like oh, okay, I think I would like to check this out there are some movies that you just have to go see on screen there's a lot of scary movies. Well, that too. But I mean, like Top Gun Maverick, I'm never going to feel the same way as I did when I seen it on screen.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of scary movies. Well, that too. But I mean, like Top Gun Maverick, I'm never going to feel the same way as I did when I seen it on the big screen versus watching it at home. There's not really a whole lot of great movies coming out this month.
Speaker 1:Beetlejuice.
Speaker 2:But Beetlejuice comes out later in October, I think it's Thanksgiving, something like that, maybe September, I can't remember. I'd like to see that one too. I never seen the original.
Speaker 1:Did you ever find out if that one was the second part, the scary one? You got me tongue-tied. Now the Exorcist.
Speaker 2:Yeah, with Kurt Russell.
Speaker 1:Russell Crowe. He came out with a movie last year.
Speaker 2:The Pope's Exorc is that what I couldn't remember, that one I was supposed to okay pope's exorcist and now he just came out with a movie that came out the same day as this movie, called the exorcist. I I've seen that. I haven't seen any trailers for anything like that. I have zero idea if it's connected to that other one, because, like, it's kind of weird to play two separate exorcists, you know.
Speaker 1:I don't want to say if it's the same character.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. I don't know if it's.
Speaker 1:It looks good, anyways, it looks good.
Speaker 2:Still I haven't watched the trailer for that. I've been slagging on the movies actually going Because I haven't seen Bad Boys.
Speaker 1:And I really don't plan on seeing Bad Boys.
Speaker 2:See, you're slag it. I'm excited for it. Right now I'm binging the Quiet Place Part 1 and Part 2. Getting ready for this third one.
Speaker 1:I thought the third one. I thought it was Part 1.
Speaker 2:It's a prequel, yeah, but still I wanted to get into the world.
Speaker 1:Okay, now I know what I'm doing later tonight. Then yeah, because that one comes out this time I like doing that final thing, where there's more than one or a few of them, or you gotta, I try to watch them in order too yeah, if possible, this is something you might get into.
Speaker 2:They announced I talked about this in the podcast before they're doing another scary movie like the spoof the actual scary movie. Scary movie, yes, but it hasn't been officially announced that the Wayne Brothers or the original cast is coming back. There's like 10.
Speaker 2:I think something. I think this is like five or six, I think this is gonna be six or seven. Goofier than shit. The first two are amazing because it has the Wayne Brothers attached to it right and essentially the left. They haven't been the same, and then I probably don't want to see it, even if if the original cast isn't gonna be involved.
Speaker 1:You can wait till it starts. Streaming like Anna.
Speaker 2:Faris or, yeah, the Wayne brothers. I'm waiting for them to come out with something great again. Actually, I think Marlon Wayne's coming out with a show, like a football show or a movie coming out. I know he's filming right now.
Speaker 1:I know he's got a stand up thing out right now.
Speaker 2:Those guys are just like just pump, pump.
Speaker 1:Great content out there there's a thing, they did a thing on them, how they had they live in color yeah not in living color the. Wayne's Brothers how they started out in living color one of the brothers created the living color yeah, and once that took, they gave them creative reign and once they, you know, they started trying to tame them and wouldn't let them do certain things, that's when the ratings and everything went down. Yeah, it's the same thing with the story it's the same thing with scary movies.
Speaker 2:Once they like stopped letting them have great radio control, that's when the scary movies went downhill a little bit um. Then they just like started doing their own stuff. I guess when we like, fuck it, we're gonna come all white chicks and we're gonna come out with um. You know this and that I don't think they had a flop. Really. Yeah, yeah, I love them. I'm a diet fan. They're funny, they, they're real funny. Yeah, I would go see those things.
Speaker 1:There's a bunch of them, even though the girls they're real talented.
Speaker 2:I would say, like I think they said, like half of them are in the industry but the other half, like they're still doing great stuff. But it's just wild that all of them have this. They're all the same funny, like they all have the creative minds off, so kudos to them. I would hope to see they come out with something soon and then I think, I think we covered this one really well.
Speaker 2:This um the bike riders next. I'm definitely gonna go check it out. I thought I'm looking for a new poster for this wall for the studio.
Speaker 1:Oh that'll be, and I'm thinking about putting the bike riders up there that'd be a cool one. Yeah, yeah, put it next to your helmet my motorcycle helmet. I had to tell him I had a customized helmet for you with your name and everything, yeah, and like a year later.
Speaker 2:My head got so fat it doesn't fit anymore. People don't realize like how big I am. I was the same, maybe a little bit smaller, when I was like 16. I was still running in the back of your bike with you Going to soccer practice? Yeah, but thanks, pops, for coming out and helping me out this podcast. I I'm glad you came on this because, like I said, you were part of the club and I know you. You, you haven't been going to the movies a lot.
Speaker 2:This is your first time in a while wow I think it was a good choice for you to go. Yeah, um, next week I'm having a recurring guest. Come on for a quiet place, day one. I'm excited to watch that one in theaters when does?
Speaker 1:does that come out Thursday? Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this week, wow, and big stuff coming later this summer. You know July is coming with a lot more greater movies, so I'm excited to get into that because we have Maxine. Another horror movie, twisters is finally coming out.
Speaker 1:Oh, I've seen a preview to that one. That one looks crazy, crazy. It was like the other ones, but now, since they have the technology to make everything look more realistic? I'm yeah sure it'd be a lot better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, um. So thank you for everyone listening um subscribe to the instagram page and the youtube channel and tiktok and stay tuned. Next week we'll be saving you. See Bye Outro Music.
