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Captivating Narratives and Bold Moves in Modern Horror
What happens when post-Halloween horror meets the world of film critique? Join us as I and our charismatic co-host Mr. Greg embark on a thrilling exploration of recent and upcoming horror films. We kick off with "Heretic," where initial skepticism turns into curiosity thanks to rave reviews and Hugh Grant’s standout performance. You’ll hear our insights on the delightful "The Wild Robot," an animated gem that's melting hearts, and the enchanting romance of "We Live in Time," starring the ever-charming Andrew Garfield and Florence Pugh.
Our discussion takes an exciting turn as we delve into upcoming horror features like "The Wolf Man" and "Werewolves," each promising unique twists that keep us on the edge of our seats. Nostalgia takes the spotlight with the "Final Destination" series and potential revivals like the "Scary Movie" franchise, sparking a debate on Anna Faris’s comedic genius and her potential return. With humor and enthusiasm, we ponder the blend of horror and comedy in the current cinematic landscape, celebrating films that dared to redefine genres.
As the episode unfolds, we navigate the intersection of religious themes and science fiction, offering a critical lens on modern horror cinema's daring narratives. We dissect films like "Immaculate" and examine Sydney Sweeney's rising influence, while questioning the effectiveness of merging religious and scientific plots. Our candid discussions on cinematic trends highlight both triumphs and missteps, leaving you pondering the future of film as it dances between innovation and tradition. Don't miss this captivating episode that promises both laughter and contemplation as we navigate the ever-changing world of horror cinema.
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Speaker 2:sorry, this is taken sorry, just because halloween is over does not mean we're out of the spooky season yet. Uh, we're going over to spooky movies. So help me, I got my friend. Get friend and co-host of the awkward bartenders podcast, mr greg hey how you doing doing awesome, greg. I'm a little bit shooken up from these movies. Really one movie kind of. There might be footage on a ring camera of me running into my house after coming home watching more of them but yeah, uh.
Speaker 2:Well, you've been like greg we. You haven't been out in the minute, no, but you've been going on to the movies a lot, yes yes, so I seen this one that we're talking about currently heretic um.
Speaker 1:Past that, I saw the substance, which was a fantastic movie. Uh, good, little horror flick with demi moore. Uh, crazy special effects and body horror in that one. Yeah, um, and I think I saw the best animated movie of the year, the Wild Robot. I loved the Wild Robot. It might be the best DreamWorks film.
Speaker 2:That's been on my list for hot minutes. At this point I'm probably just waiting for it to stream, but I heard nothing but good things about that movie.
Speaker 1:It's fantastic, it is so good and it's got enough of that DreamWorks kind of dark, surprising humor in it and it's great, it's great.
Speaker 2:I loved every second of it um, but we're gonna be talking about horror movies. Well, we almost picked a different movie. We almost did. Uh, we live in time. Have you seen that yet or no? I have not. So it is a pretty good movie. It's a very romantic movie like it's not even a romantic comedy it's just a romance movie that I mean. All you had to tell me was andrew garfield and florence p were starring in it, and I'm seeing it that's why.
Speaker 1:That's why I kind of thought about that too. But, um, I was, uh, date night with me and the girlfriend and she wanted to go see heretic and I was genuinely a little bit surprised by that. Um, do you think you made the right choice? Yes and no. Like I've thought about this movie a little bit more since, and it I kind of want to revisit it, but my first impression was a little bit lukewarm. Did you know a lot about before watching it?
Speaker 2:no, I kind of went in a little bit blind I think if you were to learn about a little bit more, I think you might have been more excited, because it got great reviews. Yeah, it's trending pretty hard.
Speaker 1:I knew, I knew it was great reviews, I knew it had hugh grant and I like it. When these, like respected actors, decide to do genre roles like that top, that's an 824 movie too, which is something I didn't realize.
Speaker 1:So I think if I had my expectations set when I walked in, I was saying for something a little bit more fast paced and a little bit more like I I mean actiony, but for like I think about it now and it's something I do want to revisit so I mean, I've seen the trailers multiple times in theaters and I knew exactly what it was.
Speaker 2:So I mean, because of that, I think I was just like my standards were met of this movie yeah yeah, you mentioned hugh grant's in there. I don't know he grants okay, I don't know. I hear from stories on the willie wonka like he was kind of a dick yeah, I've heard that too.
Speaker 1:Um, isn't he the bad guy in one of the paddington movies? I've never seen any of them. I'm pretty sure he is but, I mean like he.
Speaker 2:He's kind of like a sleazeball, from what I understand too yeah, so I mean that's kind of going through my mind a lot watching this movie.
Speaker 1:But like with that said though too, like he is pretty, he's really good in this.
Speaker 2:He's a great actor. I'm not doubting that his skills, but he is very good in this kind of movie.
Speaker 1:This is a movie where you're spending time with a total. Of those people are phenomenal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I loved the lead females in this too.
Speaker 2:Yep, we're going to be diving deeper into that whole movie in a little bit, but we also have a second movie we're going to be talking about. That's the second half of this podcast and that's going to be Immaculance with Sidney Sweeney. It came out this year.
Speaker 1:I did want to see it, but this is also coming out at the same time as the first omen?
Speaker 2:was this like dumped in february or january?
Speaker 1:I want to say april, really, yeah, okay, I was wondering about that, but it's on hulu right now and I thought this was a perfect chance.
Speaker 2:I'll go ahead and watch that. For the first time, it's on hulu right now. Um, starting sydney swing. She's been pretty hot this year so far.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and horror movies, kind of less than anything I've seen. Madame Webb, she was in like December.
Speaker 2:I think she was like Anyone but you. She also makes news right now. She's hosted SNL not too long ago. She was pretty funny and she is coming out with a boxing movie. Did you see that?
Speaker 1:I did, I did yeah.
Speaker 2:She's transforming her body right now it looks pretty cool, yeah, so I think she's definitely rising as an actress. I'm not a big fan of her. Like I don't think she's. I mean that great, I think.
Speaker 1:I think she's trying to lean into the, the tits being a part of her personality, that sounds really rude and crass I don't mean to say it like that.
Speaker 2:When she first started euphoria, I would 100 agree with that but I know she's been trying to work on that, like getting away from that I think she does.
Speaker 1:I don't think she's a bad actress, because I think she does have some comedic chops, like I do think she can be kind of funny as well.
Speaker 2:Okay, she is good looking, you know, I'll give her comedy. I'll give her comedy. She's pretty good at that. But like drama, like this is gonna be a horror movie we're talking about.
Speaker 1:Like I did not buy it at once if I was reading something about how euphoria is going to still be filming in like three or four yeah that's right, I have you watched it I started to.
Speaker 1:I never really finished it I'm not, you know, maybe it's my age showing, but I'm at the point where, like a show like that where it's just a bunch of high schoolers fucking and shit like that's, isn't that a little weird? I mean, it's the same thing with shameless. That's true too. That's partly why I'm not a big fan of shameless, because a lot of that's just shock for the sake of shock. Yeah, and I think that you know they saw Sydney Sweeney and her being genuinely kind of gorgeous, right, you know like, and they leaned into her being able to do kind of like the melodrama and everything. I watched maybe a couple of episodes, but I did see a couple of super cuts of her, in particular in like youtube videos on euphoria and she's got just doing research. Well, that's funny, um, but no, she's got that manic kind of energy where she can, like she looks and she can play like a crazy jilted girlfriend pretty well I would think.
Speaker 2:I was going to say that's probably why she's doing all these roles. She doesn't want to get typecasted as a jealous girlfriend.
Speaker 1:Well, what was the thing that came out recently that she only did Madame Web so they could fund the one that she did with Glenn Powell?
Speaker 2:I heard they only did Madame Web because they thought they were going to join Marvel.
Speaker 1:No, I think she agreed to star in Madam Web if Sony agreed to do the movie, or at least like Greenlight anything. You know which one I'm talking about yeah With John Powell yeah. Which was a good idea, because it was just savvy business on her part, because that movie did do pretty well right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, very well, I think it was in theaters. It came out around Christmas time, but it also came back to theaters around Valentine's Day. Yeah, I think she has her own studio, like movie funding, whatever you want to call it but she started that up this year, I believe. I think this biopic of her, this boxing movie, is going to be one of the first ones she's going be doing.
Speaker 1:I forgot, madame, what came out this year. There's a movie called voyeur on amazon prime. I want to see with her in it oh yeah it's got her and justice smith. No, the kid from detective pikachu yeah justice smith. Okay, yeah, and they get like a high-rise apartment that they could like spy on a couple across the way and you know?
Speaker 1:no, it's. It's kind of like a sexy thriller because you know their first time they notice it. They watch the couple across the street fuck and then, like one of the couples I think, kills the other one. So it's kind of like rear window and that kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I gotta check that out. Um, we're coming towards the very end of the year, greg. How do you feel about horror movies in general?
Speaker 1:for this whole year it was a big year, I think so I think so you know, like, even like I'm not talking to just like movies and box office in general, but a lot of the streaming stuff.
Speaker 1:Like I recently redownloaded shutter and they have been putting out a lot of good stuff, like a lot of like vhs the newest one that they did it's become kind of like a halloween tradition for them to put it out every year, and this newest one is probably one of the best that they've done so far. Um, there's really interesting stuff like, uh, the creep tapes have you ever heard of that? No, so it is a found footage movie and it is a guy who hires another guy to come record him for the day. Under the guise of leaving a message to his son, because he's dying from leukemia and everything and he wants to leave a heartfelt message subtly ramps up into a series of microaggressions and very socially awkward and dangerous kind of games. But it's just two actors really creepy, really scary. They just recently redid a TV show based on it, now for Shudder. But I think Korra in general had a really great year.
Speaker 2:I saw.
Speaker 1:Abigail came out too in theaters this year Did year I saw, Abigail came out too in theaters this year. Did you ever see that yet? Oh, the vampire one, yeah, no but I heard good things about it. I enjoyed that one.
Speaker 2:That one was a lot of fun. That's like the Daughter of Dracula or something like that. Right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But that one was a really good movie too.
Speaker 2:Horror as a whole very good this year yeah, and it's still coming too, because we got like, uh, the wolf man and werewolves coming out, those two, I'm excited for um the.
Speaker 1:Uh, the trailer for the wolf man looks pretty cool. I'm not gonna lie, I like the idea. That's where he gets infected by a wolf man I mean it feels like it's going to be like kujo, but with a wolf you know, because it seems like it's going to take place throughout the course of a single night. Uh, I'm pretty keen on that, and that werewolf movie with frank grillo looks absolutely bonkers in every good way, isn't that werewolves?
Speaker 1:that, yeah, yeah, yeah, that one's like the purge mixed with werewolves yeah, and it looks it's such a stoned idea that somebody probably had at like 3 am.
Speaker 2:Yeah, another upcoming one is Y2K.
Speaker 1:I'm about that one too, are you? I'm not going to lie. It looks like R-rated small soldiers.
Speaker 2:I'm not looking forward to that one at all.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:No, that looks like it's going to flop for me.
Speaker 1:Really I like that kind of shit though.
Speaker 2:I'm aboard. That, oh, I can appreciate what it's doing. Uh, there's another coming. Oh, actually the movie horror movie news um the actor who just played candy or the original candy man just passed away yeah, were you sad about that?
Speaker 1:I was wondering if he died in like a. You ever seen the final destination movies? Yeah, so it was like a Rube Goldberg kind of like Final Destination death, where he was like traveling behind somebody on the highway with a bunch of logs.
Speaker 2:Oh geez, that's everyone's fear. Did you know they're making another?
Speaker 1:one of that. Yeah, I mean, it's a good concept. It is amazing to me that I mean that scriptwriter that wrote Final Destination 2 came up with one of the most singly iconic set pieces in horror movie history that has haunted an entire generation to this day.
Speaker 2:I 100% agree with that.
Speaker 1:That and the LASIK eye surgery one it's incredible to me that this franchise that doesn't really get talked about a lot anymore because it's it's. It's incredible to me that that like this, a franchise that doesn't really get talked about a lot anymore because it's gotten really, really goofy and really dumb in the past, but in the beginning those are quality movies.
Speaker 1:I mean that one is so I mean, if you, after you watch it the first couple times, going back, it's almost comedic, I think, because it's a lot of like, oh it's gonna happen, oh it didn't well they lean into that more, like in number four, I think in the first, because it goes up to the first three, because the number three has, uh, mary elizabeth winstead in it and that's the one with the roller coaster set piece. Uh, I think after that or around that is where they kind of lean into the almost like weird jokiness of it. But they play the first two pretty straight where it is kind of like a genuine horror movie um, not really horror movies, but news.
Speaker 2:But did you hear scary movies coming back?
Speaker 1:so they, I don't, I'm a we just talked about. We just talked about those comedies not getting made anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm about it, don't get me wrong, but I want to see I mean, the Wayans brothers are involved, right?
Speaker 2:They're completely involved, and also Regina George just signed back on.
Speaker 1:Nice, I mean, if they bring back a lot of that legacy cast.
Speaker 2:What's her name though?
Speaker 1:I won't be excited until I hear anna ferris is yeah, yes, if she is involved. I am into it, like I mean I. You would think that's a great paycheck for her right you would think, because she hasn't done though.
Speaker 2:She was on a series mom for a while. I think she's like one or two other things that I've seen yeah, I mean no, she.
Speaker 1:Did you ever see keanu the cat movie? Yeah, no, she's in that. She's got a cameo in that and she's fucking unhinged in that, but it's great she has. One of her first movies was a stoner movie called smiley face. Have you ever seen that?
Speaker 1:no it's it's really indie and it's on streaming. It's got her. I think she eats a bunch of fucking brownies and just she's got like an audition that day, but she keeps messing up where she's going and like she's just completely stoned out of her mind. And it's got like Danny Masterson in it before he got jailed for like rape and Scientology.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, it's. It's a wild little movie, but it's, it's pretty funny.
Speaker 2:What year was?
Speaker 1:you say that was it's, it is probably early. I want to say around scary movie. It's got to be around her beginning beginning interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's probably worth a watch. She's so funny. I trust her in anything, oh yeah it's.
Speaker 1:It's a weird movie, but it's pretty funny.
Speaker 2:If you're in the right mindset, that might be a plan for tonight yeah, but going back to the wayne brothers, like I'm so excited, but do you think they can pull it off into today's kind of I society?
Speaker 1:I I think they get a free pass, I think they get carte blanche, or I mean, you are legacy.
Speaker 2:I mean that's legacy comedy right there, but it's been probably close to 20 years since they were in a, like a scary movie. Yeah, they did try to make it their own movie, like the haunted house movies or whatever it was, like you know I'm talking about, like the spoof of the paranormal movies. Yeah, those kind of didn't do too well. No, but I mean this is gonna make millions just for the fact alone they're attached to it yeah, and I think like I've gone back and watched the first two once or twice recently and the gay jokes are funny to this day.
Speaker 1:They don't even seem that offensive. You go back and you watch some of that humor and it's not.
Speaker 2:I mean, the joke is that they are offensive. That's why it's funny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's also it feels a lot more innocent too, because there's a lot of slapstick that's involved too. It's not just being offensive for the sake of being offensive, but like do you remember that one screaming shot that um anna ferris has? Where the camera goes in on her and it hits her in the head. You know like that's a funny gag. That's stuff that you would see in the old, like naked gun days yeah, yeah, I think they are trying to make another naked gun movie if I've heard liam neeson I think I'm kind of
Speaker 2:on board with that I think that'd be pretty sick, liam neeson's pretty funny.
Speaker 1:He could be pretty funny when he wants to be I think he could pull it off, yeah, yeah um, there was one other scary movie we wanted to talk about.
Speaker 2:Oh, hard eyes. Did you see the trailer for that? It looks kind of lame as fuck. It's like like almost a purge mask, but all it is is hard eyes and them killing people. I've seen a trailer for this movie we're going to be talking about. Oh, it's a Valentine's Day one. Yes, that to me looks stupid as fuck, just because whatever happened was fucking storytelling. This movie just looks like it wants to be gory.
Speaker 1:Just to be gory, I think it's, if it's if it's, you know, if it's a throwback to the slasher films of the heyday, like if it knows what it is yeah, you know if it's not like, don't try and force. Feed me a message down my throat if you're just going to do like a jason style slasher I guess.
Speaker 2:I guess you're right about that. But the last horror movie I haven't talked about yet is Nosferatu.
Speaker 1:That was fucking great. It looks interesting yeah.
Speaker 2:I feel like, at this point, anything Willem Dafoe is in is going to be nominated.
Speaker 1:It's going to be Best Picture. Yeah, best Picture nominee for sure. Especially if it's coming out on Christmas and they're going to pat themselves on the back for nominating it it and be like, oh look, we paid attention to horror you know like yeah, it's obnoxious, but strange darling, did you see that?
Speaker 2:no, I just looked that out today. I just seen something about it today solid flick, solid flick. Yeah, real good flick uh, but we got werewolves coming back to the theaters yeah dracula coming back to the theaters. I think frankenstein's supposed to be coming back pretty soon well, they're gonna be there.
Speaker 1:I think they're kind of amping up for the.
Speaker 2:Monster Universe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, epic Universe. Well, the theme park in Orlando that will be opening up next year, from what I understand. So they are going to be doing a full-on land for those kind of style monsters. So I kind of wonder how much of this is just big suits being like hey, we got, we got wolfman and frankenstein gonna be in the universal parks.
Speaker 2:Let's start making, you know, movies based on this but the universal halloween thing is so overcrowded as it is now.
Speaker 1:But this is a singular land in a park. Yeah, so it's like you know, when you walk around islands of adventure, where they have them in distinct kind of separations yeah. So that will be a land. I think pretty much right next door to it is going to be the Super Mario World.
Speaker 2:I did hear that, and I think they're also doing a third Harry Potter World too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and how to Train your Dragon World.
Speaker 2:It looks pretty cool.
Speaker 1:It's going to be hard for me not to try and move mountains to go out there opening oh man man opening weekend I know, I know, but that mario world looks that nintendo world is going to probably make me cry like a child when I'm in there for the first time and what if you meet mario there?
Speaker 2:I want to that'd be pretty cool. Um, let's go back to this movie. Um heretic heretic heretic. I've been saying that wrong the entire time that I guess heretic funny heretic. Uh, first reaction went to the theater. How busy was the theater? It wasn't bad actually.
Speaker 1:Like there was a good amount of people but, um, like it was a little bit more busier than I thought. I think there were people there that had the wrong impression of the movie too in my eyes, Because, like you go to a movie theater for a haunted house or a horror flick, Like I still remember seeing the first Paranormal Activity opening night Packed fucking theater One of the best theater experiences.
Speaker 2:I ever had. I kind of wish I could go back in time, you know like I remember seeing signs in a packed theater.
Speaker 1:That's a movie you want to see in a packed theater because that energy and everything, like you know, when they're watching that alien walk across that street and they're like vamonos children, you know, you know the scene. Yeah, I remember the theater just fucking screaming for that.
Speaker 1:But that one is meant to scare you, so this one is meant to be a little bit more slow burn. So when you got a bunch of like punk kids or you know I don't want to say punk kids, but like you could tell they were definitely guys that probably thought they were in a little bit of a different movie too.
Speaker 2:Maybe, but this movie is more meant to make you think, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's not like, really like a jump scare. I mean, there are a couple jump scares in there, but it's it's.
Speaker 1:It's a. It's a heavy movie. Yes, it is a heavy movie and I think if you don't realize it's under the a24 umbrella when you walk in. It's a difficult movie to parse and like through. I get a better understanding of it having watched YouTube videos now on it and I have watched a couple of them, so I kind of get it more.
Speaker 2:I'm probably going to do that tonight. Now, that sounds fun, but it's more like a movie to keep you guessing throughout the whole movie, which I loved.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because you think you had to figure it out. And then a left turn comes. Yeah, but before we keep going, this movie was actually directed by scott back. Do you know that? It's written and directed by scott back and brian woods? But it's about two young religious women are drawn into a game of cat and mouse in the house of a strange man, starring people like hugh grant, sophia thratcher, sophia thatcher and, uh, chloe east.
Speaker 1:You know who also made a cameo in this movie who I? I got.
Speaker 2:Hugh Grant, sophia Thatcher and Chloe East you know who also made a cameo in this movie.
Speaker 1:Who.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you noticed.
Speaker 1:Topher Grace, topher Grace. So Chloe East? Does she play Princess Daisy in Super Mario Brothers? No, she looks like Princess Daisy Real, like a spitting image of that actress.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, what's her name? I know who you're talking about. Um, I know exactly who you're talking about.
Speaker 1:yes, I thought a couple times it got me to like, to the point where I'm like it took me out of the movie. Um, but you know what I said earlier about these. It's a movie based on three central performances and all three of them have to be gangbusters and all three of them are so do before you get too deep in the movie.
Speaker 2:Do you think religious groups or even just religious people get offensed by movies like horror movies?
Speaker 1:I mean, I think that I don't necessarily think they could with this, because his argument isn't necessarily wrong. No, you could see the argument that he makes, and he makes it pretty well, he does but an exaggerated like why did you do all this?
Speaker 2:you know, yeah yeah, I mean it's because we don't learn anything really about him other than you know the fact that he studies and was a theologist, right, yeah, um but I mean, do you think, like I mean a lot of times Catholic or religious people like this, who are super religious, like these two girls in this movie, aren't even allowed to see movies like this. Anyway, yeah, but like I can, I was wondering like, do you think?
Speaker 1:there's movies out there are based on real events, like like the conjuring and stuff like that. Well, a lot of this, like the satanic panic and that kind of stuff, is pretty much over nowadays. I think that a lot more people kind of have an understanding of what satanism is as a whole, versus what you know the 80s or 90s led us to believe. You know it's uh, I think people are a little bit more accepting and I think, honestly too, there's a probably a good amount of religious people that don't feel comfortable voicing those opinions out of fear of being, like ostracized yeah, I mean, like the two main girls, I could talk about how great they were portraying religious girls, Both actual Mormons, if I'm not mistaken right.
Speaker 1:I'm almost positive that they both came from the church.
Speaker 2:I can tell you that.
Speaker 1:I'm 95% positive. I've read that which makes all of that even. It makes them even more perfectly cast for that fucking part.
Speaker 2:I mean, I haven't worked with Mormons, but like baptists I worked with a couple times and like they all like, like I, kind of like innocent the same way yeah like. Uh, the role. You can't be in a like along with another man unless there's a woman in presence. I used to work with one and one of the like.
Speaker 2:I live right by the college, like the hiles anderson yeah super religious church or yeah, group and she was waiting for a long time for a ride. Like I offered a ride home, like no, I can't, because it can't be alone with a man yeah it's like oh, okay, like sit your ass there then. So then I mean, they do have strict rules and I feel like they do showcase this in the world, but it opens up with them just having a casual conversation about magnum condoms, you know like see, and that's another thing too, that kind of I don't want to say, made me mad.
Speaker 1:But you said you set the tone of the movie pretty from that first scene, right, you would think?
Speaker 2:I, I liked it as that first scene because like, okay, they're, it's modernism, like they're not strictly only thinking about god the entire time.
Speaker 1:No, they are in a real life world. You understand where they're coming from too. Like especially um sophie thatcher's, is it who? Yeah, sophie thatcher's character barnes, sister barnes, she's immediately talking about pornography you know like she is clearly expressing the fact that, like she has, you know, watched it before but she thought. She's not like, she's not admitting it. She's like oh no, heaven's heaven to betsy I've never you know.
Speaker 1:But she's talking about it in such detail where you see that these cracks in what these people are believing are forming already, which I think's interesting yeah, and then you see her like be envious of little girls across the street almost and then they come.
Speaker 2:Hey, let's take a picture first of all, like she was all forward, posing and everything yeah and then they pants her yeah yeah, I mean like these.
Speaker 1:These I don't want to judge, but these people do face a lot of ridicule for their beliefs and you know it is, it is very, you know it's a sign of strength and I give them credit for just walking around towns like that, being like, hey, let's want to talk about god.
Speaker 2:I feel like that's like kind of an old school thing too. I feel like I haven't, I mean that is like that's mormonism.
Speaker 1:For you, though, that's.
Speaker 2:That's heavy on the door-to-door that's probably more like east coast, I mean west coast thing. Anyway too, yeah uh mormonism.
Speaker 1:I think it's interesting that they chose mormonism for this, because it is very difficult to look at Mormonism, at least in my eyes, as anything but a cult.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I was going to dive deep into that later too, but yeah, Because, I mean, mr Reed does make a very good, I mean he makes an extremely good point when he talks about the polygamy aspect, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:You know he talks about the polygamy aspect, you know. So before we get into that, like before you get to mr reed, they finally they're going door to door trying to spread the word of god and stuff like that. They got like a list of, they got to follow and I don't know why the church was set up on the day like they're gonna have fucking hurricane katrina going outside, like what the fuck it was. It was so beautiful in the morning. When they're walking and then they go to this one house, immediately it starts downpouring. I was like what the fuck is this like? And then it turns into snow. I was like what time of year is this?
Speaker 2:So then, um, they go to this house, mr reed's house, which is played by hugh grant instantly. Like you hear rumbling around inside like he's he's fussing things. He goes oh, you want to come inside? Like my wife's making a pie this is part of this is in the trailer and they discover like the pie is actually like arcade, all scented, some weird question. The first thing he says when they walk in their house is like oh, the walls and roof is made out of metal. Is that okay with you?
Speaker 2:like what kind of who the fuck says that.
Speaker 1:And they just I thought that too and they just completely were like yeah yeah, yeah, yeah that doesn't sound weird at all.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, so they go in there. He's talking to them and he's so smooth with his talking. They start to question something, but then he'll immediately change the subject to something else, like oh, what's your favorite fast food restaurant?
Speaker 1:So did you pick up on the fact that he is the one who actually called for them to come?
Speaker 2:What do you mean?
Speaker 1:So he actually they knew they were supposed it wasn't just a random occurrence, so like he actually inquired about joining the church. So yeah, all of that shit from the get-go was prepped and ready I mean he's probably done it to several different girls, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I mean, he had a whole game plan for this, like how he's gonna kidnap them, everything like that. They're talking about the church he's. He's able like oh, like, I'm actually part of the same mormon church, like, or something like that and then he was like do you know?
Speaker 2:like he brought his own mormon book out and stuff like that. And then he asked some more personal questions. I was like do you, how do you feel about like multiple husbands, or something like that. And then he goes off in this big rant almost the way I thought it was gonna go.
Speaker 2:He was angry at the fact that that people aren't following the religion how it's first started you know, yeah, he talks about like they've been amended and bent a little bit to fit more with society's rules and we don't really need that stuff anymore, and I thought he was pissed off about that really and he kind of was a little bit, but that wasn't the whole big end game and she they were both super uncomfortable, like it ended up becoming a battle of wits.
Speaker 1:One of them. The one of them gets aware of it and realizes that there's something very wrong here. Pretty quick, um. The other one, um, sophie thatcher. She's. I liked her a lot in this. She's adorable and like really bubbly and like really sells the fact that she is naive and like oh no like you know really like talking to him and everything um, they're clearly gonna get killed.
Speaker 2:And she goes like thank you for inviting us over to your lovely love.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's yeah, it's a funny a little. There's a little bit of humor in here too, like it. There's enough to keep your attention throughout, but he is like it's a lot of that.
Speaker 1:It kind of reminds me of you saw the see no evil, right yeah, where it is just a series of microaggressions, where you know yeah it ramps up the social uncomfortableness of it and it's done in a way where the antagonist is almost like hey, yeah, I'm daring you to try to leave, and he leans in. One thing I really appreciated about this this camera work. They love the fucking faces. So like they are centered on hugh grant's face the end for a good chunk of this, not just his face, but his eyes specifically, yeah, and he is like able to shift his face to in such ways where, like it is, it's pretty impressive to see him go from like happy to sad or angry real quickly, like change the complete level of friendliness to complete menace yeah, he was.
Speaker 2:He was so fucking good yeah he's good.
Speaker 1:I want to see him do this shit more often yeah, I think you'd probably be back in a wonka.
Speaker 2:They're working on wonka too right now. Nice, um, so anyways, like they finally discover, not discover, but like, all right, we gotta get the fuck out of here yeah, but then they find out like the door won't open because he rigged it that way. He's like, oh, it's actually set on the timer, it won't open until tomorrow, still not thinking that's a red flag. What the fuck is wrong with these girls?
Speaker 1:no one of them does. One of them does, but they are just trying to find the way to get out, and then he goes like the way out.
Speaker 2:The house is through the back of my house, through one of these doors. You gotta pick which one. I was like what the fuck? Before all that, he does bring out a great metaphor for religion with monopoly games yes yes, like oh, judaism, christianity and, uh, is it hindu hinduism?
Speaker 1:well, it just boils down to all the mainstream ones just being iterations of each other and that's what his whole point was like. Like you said earlier, like it's it's essentially the same game, but with different boards different boards. Yes, yeah, and it makes sense in a lot of ways, because he does connect the dots in a lot of ways, um, and he even likens it to stuff like the star wars movies and stuff like that too. This movie did make me laugh a couple times out loud.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Like there's a couple of bits where Hugh Grant really leans into it and you could tell he's enjoying it. But like there's a lot of good analogies that he makes where he like likens what the one that was like Christianity to capitalism, the capitalist version of Monopoly, made me laugh out loud.
Speaker 2:Like there's a you know he makes. There's a Bob Ross Monopoly.
Speaker 1:And he's challenging these girls on every single thing.
Speaker 2:I think he even says Mormon is the most ridiculous out of all of them.
Speaker 1:Oh, he likens it to the Bob Ross one.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1:But yeah, he's challenging these girls on every single bit of it and I think one of them starts to realize that our way of surviving this is to challenge him back mentally, but I mean the fact of challenging someone's religion.
Speaker 2:I mean if the other person is willing to go, like, argue with that, that's fine, but like this guy's doing it in his own home where they feel unsafe, he's doing it all the wrong ways if that's what he wants to accomplish Because he's practicing his true religion wrong ways that, that's what he wants to accomplish because he's practicing his true religion, the one true religion that he knows.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought it was gonna be satanism, honestly uh, I know, I knew it wasn't gonna be, because that's not the tenets of yeah, do you know what satanism is not really? Satanism is actually fascinating because it is very much a self-empowerment thing, like Like I have the Satanist Bible by Anton LaVey what? The fuck Craig, no, I do. It's somewhere like I could almost point it out. It's right here somewhere, but it's a Satanist Bible and it's all very like self-affirming ways of realizing that you are the one in power.
Speaker 2:You know, like you are, your like you are your own, like a self-help kind of book it.
Speaker 1:It fucking reads like it in a lot of ways. Um, it is a lot of being told that you are god. You are the one that's in control it is really interesting.
Speaker 2:But yeah, knowledge is explaining like that. Yeah, he was definitely not doing that in this movie. Um, so there is a choice. So he says you can go out through one of these doors. One is labeled belief, the other one was labeled disbelief. I was like, whichever door you think is right, it probably will lead you to the back of my house and get out the fuck out of here this is where it starts to lose me really this is where it did um, I mean, I knew they're gonna lead you to the same place it was.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, I knew it, I knew it too. But as a whole, this is where it's like 45 minutes in, 50 minutes in, and there's been nothing that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:There's a whole another, because I was watching my phone too, like there's a whole other hour left, like what this is. Most of what we've seen is already in the trailer, like yeah, so it's.
Speaker 1:It is a slow burn movie yeah.
Speaker 2:So then um, they get down there and they find out there's another woman down there who's like scary, like it's probably the scariest thing about the whole movie. She almost reminded me of um from barbarian yeah, the little mom thing, yeah and he go.
Speaker 2:He's speaking through a microphone saying like, oh, this, I'm gonna make you see the work of god. Like I'll show you that this shit's real. He's like I'm gonna, this woman's gonna kill herself, but don't worry, she's gonna come back to life in two minutes. Sure enough, she eats like a poison blueberry pie which is like a stupid, like joke on the nose. So then, uh she, she kills herself. And then they get distracted for a minute and then next story is shit, she comes back to life. It's like I told you that shit was real. I told you that shit was real. So, like you know what you guys can see, god too, I'll kill you and I'll bring you back.
Speaker 2:And he's like ah, fuck that. And during this time too, their pastor or someone from the church is coming to look for them, played by tover grace I didn't know it was him at first, because he does a pretty good job with a wig and everything like that he's going door to door trying to find these girls and as soon as I don't know, you do a little thing where you think he's going to come back and find them. No, he's like I forgot to give you this pamphlet. He's like okay, thanks. And he takes off those last big star.
Speaker 1:That kind of role. That is his fucking cameo. What's he doing anyway, you know.
Speaker 2:I guess I like Topher Grace. So he goes back to them and the girls are like, freaking out, long story short. He kills one of them. The uh, mr reach kills one of the girls. It's like, don't worry, she's gonna come back to life. And this is where I was laughing out loud. She's like, oh, never mind, she's not coming back to life.
Speaker 2:She's like, uh, come on, wake up yeah, yeah the other one's traumatized and you know what she's not alive and he's like he cuts her arm open, digs in there and pulls out a little rod. He's like you know what she's not alive and he's like he cuts her arm open, digs in there and pulls out a little rod. It's like you know what she's actually an npc. That's why she's not coming back, see I I.
Speaker 1:I saw him notice that it like scar so I'm thinking it is a yeah, a scar of some sort from a surgical procedure. I kind of got the impression that it might have been something that was placed in there after like a suicide attempt, maybe.
Speaker 2:Is that what that is? I don't know. I don't know what that was. See, like I said, this is where the movie starts to lose me a bit. He also said the flame reacted different to them too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he starts going on about like saying stuff about this being a simulation and everything.
Speaker 2:Seeing that there are NPCs out there and only a handful of us are real, and then we're gonna really.
Speaker 1:Once we die, we wake, waking up in our true selves, in a different realm, or whatever but it turns out he's just bullshitting this and pulling this out of his ass the entire time, right?
Speaker 2:but that's the way. I didn't like it. At the end I was like what the fuck was the point of this whole thing? Then, if you didn't believe any of this, no, he does.
Speaker 1:He was bullshitting the simulation part because I'm saying yeah one of when I guess, I guess the prophet lady? Doesn't the prophet lady say something to one of the girls about it being all fake?
Speaker 2:yeah, and that's what tips them off yeah, and then how she calls him out on that and it's all just as a big root.
Speaker 1:It's like it's it. It's a thick movie to discuss, because the entire thing ends up being just a complete sham. He's he swapped out the prophet lady you know um, he replaced her with a one that is alive. When they get distracted, the one that's alive mentions how it's not real and it's not planned like she's. She says that to the girls to help them out and as a result, I think sophie thatcher's character is able to kind of start to piece it together I didn't buy one for a sec.
Speaker 2:One second she was piecing together. I was like the fact that she was listed, everything that legit happened was kind of like amazing to me. I was like how the fuck?
Speaker 1:I was a little bit surprised by that too. Like there's no reference of like uh photographic memory of stuff like that I did, like sophie. That's a good actress I was on board with it, though, like I wanted to see that girl survive.
Speaker 2:So we've only seen that character like being super gullible throughout this entire movie yeah, that's kind of like why I didn't believe it. Uh, she did have that moment where she's like you kind of challenge him. I was like, okay, what the fuck is he gonna do?
Speaker 1:but then, um, I was like not confused, but like I forgot I was gonna go with this because she ends up getting away at one point, or sophie thatcher ends up running and she comes across a giant room full of women that are locked up in cages, and he starts spewing something about the one true legend being that of control yeah, I wish there was like a moment when that actress did go off the script.
Speaker 2:I wish the camera would have showed his face like just drop or something for like a quick second.
Speaker 1:You can't have that, though. You got to make sure that the audience thinks he's in control still too.
Speaker 2:I guess Plus it's not real.
Speaker 1:It could have been referenced to a lot of things. Yeah, there's a couple of leaps in logic and stuff like that, or at least big leaps for me too when it comes to this movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, very big leaps.
Speaker 1:I want to see it again. This is a thick movie that needs to probably be seen like twice.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean mean you mentioned that you watch youtube videos that break it down a lot better than we can and I would love to go dive deeper into that. Some of it is interesting, and it does they. You know they done their research into the like religious aspects of the movie pretty hard, so they're not like spouting bullshit when they talk, but it's just in terms of understanding the themes and everything like yeah, this is a thick a24 movie very thick yeah, the fact that that other sister comes back to life at the very fucking end and then just to die again well, you never.
Speaker 1:You didn't know that she was dead though the first time. See, that's ambiguous too, which is something that's kind of interesting to me. Like was she brought back to? Life, or I thought that those were gonna go with it yeah, so, and the sister, the one that was killed, ends up past paxton yeah, ends up springing back to life and ends up killing mr reed after he ends up stabbing the other one, right is.
Speaker 2:She got sad and stuff, but he was about to stab her in the neck too to kill her yeah, yeah, she's gonna let it happen like that fucking dumbass.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they were going to like bleed out and everything. And this is after he gives his whole speech about how religion is just a tool to control people. Yeah, from the top down, you know like they're all iterations of the same story. It's all just the people in power using it to control and tell people what to do this movie is really a big shot at all religions.
Speaker 2:I feel like, I feel like I mean it can't.
Speaker 1:I mean look at what's going on now you know I mean a religion. It has still been used as a tool to control people, like we still have decisions being made in government today that is based on religious beliefs on how to control people I mean, they even say like, they like yeah, prayer doesn't work like yeah, she does have, but we still do it because it's comforting, yeah it's.
Speaker 2:It's a nice gesture so I mean, besides the storyline, this movie, this movie was shot beautifully like the dark scenes and everything like it is a pretty movie. It is so good, cinematography wise and, uh, the chemistry between all the characters was so fucking great yeah, yeah the between the girls. They were best friends. Like I could tell they weren't really friends and they were just kind of paired up together.
Speaker 2:But then um hugh grant's characters is so menacing oh, yeah, so brilliantly play like he does seem charming at first, and then you realize what the fuck is really going on in his head. I thought that was funny, that we're having him wear dad sneakers all the whole time.
Speaker 1:And like his uh, there's bits where, like, even his physicality seems to change a bit. Like you catch him in the shadow one bit and he looks like he is a hulking kind of figure which is a cool shot.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Not a bad movie, I wouldn't say overall, I feel like this movie taking place like 90% in this person's house, like it's a very closed setting, yeah, and they're having a fucking tunnel system underneath the house. I was like, is this guy P Diddy? What the fuck is going on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a slow burn flick. It's pretty like if I had my expectations a little bit more measured when I walked in, I might have enjoyed it more.
Speaker 1:Oh, I had my expectations a little bit more measured when I walked in. I might have enjoyed it more. Oh, I, I felt this met my expectations completely. Yeah, good, I want to. I want to re-watch it kind of get a little bit more into the idea of the theming and everything of it, because I think I would appreciate that. But I'm not a religious guy overall, so some of this stuff doesn't necessarily hit as hard with me as it would how do you even build like that secret basement and everything like that?
Speaker 1:that's by yourself too it's doable, like, depending on the house being there so long yeah I guess, yeah, how about like that?
Speaker 2:in substance, she built that secret room by herself I mean, yeah, it's doable, no, it's not in a fucking apartment building.
Speaker 1:You cannot build a secret room in there I mean, she was held on like a high-rise top floor apartment but she would assume that the floor just her, but she obviously was sharing with other people. I mean, it was in the back in the bathroom-wise too. Where's that extra?
Speaker 2:space going to come from. Why wasn't it being utilized before?
Speaker 1:Why are we yelling about this?
Speaker 2:It's not even the right movie.
Speaker 1:No, what would you give?
Speaker 2:this movie a 1 out of 10, though.
Speaker 1:I'm going to say 5.5 really but no, because the the actors and everything.
Speaker 2:So I'm gonna say six I give it a good seven yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 1:It will probably bump up on a rewatch, but would you go? To the theaters and rewatch it.
Speaker 2:No I mean, there's so many out, so many movies out there that I haven't seen yet. Like I just don't see myself making time for that. No, um, let's go to the immaculate. Though you, you haven't. This is your first time watching it, correct? Yes, do you remember when it came out? Like I remember hearing things about it, but it also came out the same time as the first omen, which that movie was just okay. Um, this came like around the monkey man too, so it just got like filtered down yeah, um, you said it was dumped in april.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, we talked about it being because, you know, january, february, those first couple of months are dumpy ground for stuff like that, and I could kind of see this movie being a movie that the studio probably didn't have a lot of faith in no, it's president goes straight to streaming.
Speaker 2:Honestly yeah, same here um, but you know who was supposed to be in january is mickey 17 oh, yeah, yeah they moved it to april so that's at least a better kind of sign.
Speaker 2:I would think that the more kind of I think the studio's gonna believe in it more, a little bit more it looks good to me. I like it yeah, but immaculate the a-list. There is obviously sydney sweeney in this movie. Watching this I kept getting confused. If it was the tree like some stuff was from the trailer was from um the first omen, because it came like at the same time yeah and a lot of similarities between, like, creepy shit going on in the church, like people killing themselves and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Um, I'm glad I watched the first omen over this one too, in the theaters yeah, it kind of sucked. This was directed by michael mohan and written by andrew label. Cecilia, a woman of devote, devout faith, is warmly welcome to the picture-perfect italian countryside where she is offered to a new life at an illusion, sorry, illustrious covenant, convent, convent, convent, jeez louise. But it becomes clear to cecilia that her new home harbors dark and horrifying secrets. Pretty much every other fucking non-horror movie yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1:Uh, this one's pretty not really a lot of surprising stuff in here. This is kind of cookie cutter. This is more like religious horror meets science fiction I thought that too, which was the, the swing in act three was kind of a little interesting that killed it, for me, this whole movie yeah, that killed.
Speaker 2:That, though we'll talk about in a second. But, like this movie opens up with cindy sweeney's character moving to italy to join this church doesn't even speak italian or anything like that it's like that's first red flag. Um, and actually the movie opens up with the old her, the previous character, for her, like trying to escape yeah basically, and then she's getting dragged away by nuns that you can't see their face.
Speaker 2:Um, miss sinny sweeney comes into town, kind of taking that place without realizing it. Everyone's kind of like weird around her, assuming like they know what's gonna happen to her long story short. She's trying to fit in. She meets somebody that like kind of a friend era. This movie's super forgettable. I seen this four nights ago and I can't remember everything it is like it is kind of like popcorn-y and forgettable.
Speaker 1:There's not a lot to it that you haven't seen in a lot of other movies.
Speaker 2:No, I mean granted, we'll talk about it in the last second. There is a scene where she is given a tour of the whole church and they're like, look, we got the stake that actually penetrated Jesus Christ here. I was like, oh, that's kind of cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then let's just go to the end. Let's talk about the ending, because the third act, because this is the only thing that happens. It's a short movie.
Speaker 1:It's only like an hour 30 minutes. It's a full, it's a quick 90. It's, you know, you're in and out and for what it's worth. You know it's Sydney Sweeney, who is not a bad actress.
Speaker 2:She's not really given a lot given via the script though either. Like her characterization is pretty thin, so one of the part where they get the is the high priest or something like that. One of the priests comes to her and is like did you have sex with somebody? And she's no. What the fuck you talking about? Yeah he's like well, you're pregnant, and I don't know how she didn't question that. They knew that before she knew that.
Speaker 1:Well, because they did something to her.
Speaker 2:I mean, obviously I knew that, but she didn't question like, how did you guys know I was pregnant if I didn't even know I was pregnant, you know?
Speaker 1:if you're a virgin, being told that you're pregnant in a church in italy that you just joined, I would think that, holy shit, I'm the virgin mary I'm I.
Speaker 2:That would be my first thought yeah, that was my first thought because, like when she goes, like through her pregnancy, I was like, why are they not telling the whole world about this?
Speaker 1:you know, I would have had a book deal like a reality tv show by this time because it's not about that stuff, you're not about that, yeah, she talks about the vows that she takes where she's like I don't want for nothing, I don't, I don't need material possessions, I'm foregoing all of that but like, wouldn't you be, like spreading the word of churches, to bought that to everybody? I mean he as a singular nun in a convent? No, you would think that maybe the priest might be interested in it.
Speaker 2:But then again that goes into the tricky territory of you know wanting things, or at least you know wanting to make monetary gain off of a miracle do you think if somebody came out like today, real life, saying like this chick got pregnant, nobody had sex with her, how many people do you think are really gonna believe her?
Speaker 1:I mean, it only worked it. Historically, it's only worked once, exactly so so she's pregnant now.
Speaker 2:She's going through her pregnancy. She's going like difficult time. She's getting hate from a lot of other sisters in there. One specifically tried to drown her, which is like the only jump scare I thought really jumped at yeah um, saying it should have been me. It should have been me and what the fuck's going on? Her friend tried saying something to the priest. Like this is fucking bullshit. Like we keep calling her mary and she's like yeah and um.
Speaker 2:She was taken away, she was punished and sunni sunni's character walks in on them or cutting off her tongue. I didn't.
Speaker 1:I was shocked that they showed that nice, it was cool like there's one or two bits of fun body horror where it's like that and the burning like yeah um what's it called um branding?
Speaker 2:how fucking sick is that like they get put burn crosses on your feet holy shit. So, anyways, she catches that, she realizes something's going wrong and then, um, long story short, we'll cut toward the end. She found she is told that it wasn't a miracle, as they say it was. They impregnated her with dna, that they scraped of off that crucifix, that which is that's a big leap.
Speaker 1:That was a giant leap because, like you mean, how did this little church in italy get a hold of shit?
Speaker 2:like that right, or even think of something like that?
Speaker 1:well, I mean I mean, you could go and argue that it was jurassic park, you know well. You could go and argue then that maybe they don't know, maybe it wasn't, maybe it's just some fucking cross and god knows what the fuck they put in her.
Speaker 2:That's probably just a bunch of chemicals I mean, that's what they kind of lean into like at the end, like this might be the devil actually yeah, where it's just like there might be something that was my impression of it where it was a sense of like.
Speaker 1:I never thought that they looked at what was growing in sydney, sweeney as a, but more so as like the destroyer.
Speaker 2:Something like that, because she found a secret message from the last person.
Speaker 1:I don't even know if the fucking movie knows right, because, like you say, she finds a message from one of the people that was in her position prior that mentions a specific verse or says something along the mentions a specific verse or says something along the lines of you know, evil will take the guise of light often, or something you know evil pretending to be angels, uh, but then yeah the movie doesn't even seem to know what they want the inside of sydney sweeney to be I don't know, and then, like sydney sweeney, finds the shit out and she starts like attacking them, killing them.
Speaker 2:This is one scene where she takes a crucifix like a cross I liked it, whacks the shit out of a nun, yeah, but she, like it, takes her three tries to knock her out and, like the nun, just looks so I almost felt bad for the nun.
Speaker 1:She looks so old and scared I mean she, they mean they're all complicit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's like the way it was done, like she had to take three giant hits to kill a nun.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then she kills a priest in a gruesome way too, and then at the end, she gives fucking birth to a baby. Yeah, she gives birth to something, to something, and then she fucking crushes it with a rock.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ugh, because it it doesn't cry when it comes out, it like makes a weird.
Speaker 2:You don't see it either I think you see like a silhouette of it in the background I don't even think, you see that I see like an arm floating around.
Speaker 1:Maybe that's what I'm thinking of you, uh, see, uh, it's a close-up shot of sydney sweeney giving birth, like on her face so yeah yeah, I can't imagine seeing that in the fucking theater, but um, it is. It's a weird gurgly birth thing which is gross, and you don't see what it looks like, but you see the look of horror on her face yeah, and she goes to grab like the nearest biggest rock she can find yeah and smash it that's how the movie ends.
Speaker 1:See like she has shown vials and samples and jars of previous attempts to give birth to something. So it does. It is like you say it is a science fiction movie under the guise of a religious horror movie. I feel like at least.
Speaker 2:A thousand percent agree with that. And the failed experience experiences. Experiments are just like sacks of skin and just weird shit yeah it's like is this is, is this what's inside of me? So you know, those are your failed attempts. Like how the fuck do you know this is not a failed attempt?
Speaker 1:then you know because it does make me wonder how much of that actual cross I mean there there's these red-faced people too that are in this convent. There's a lot in this movie that I'm not sure the movie even fucking knows what it wants to do. Right, because it wants to do the religious horror thing and have that kind of striking imagery of you know people with red faces and you know black hoods chasing you down church hallways. But as soon as we get the scientific aspect into this movie, all of that imagery has gone away.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And religious horror is pretty effective sometimes in my eyes, as opposed to going strictly to body horror. What's climbing or what's inside of me, kind of shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so if they would have kept up that aspect a little bit more Like see that baby crawling up on the wall or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:If they would have kept that aspect a little bit more on the religious horror side and stayed away from the first Omen. Like she gives birth to the first element's a good movie or no? Are we talking about the one?
Speaker 2:that's this year, okay, yeah I, we almost did the omen the original one for this yeah the original omen's amazing um, besides the storyline of this movie, how did you feel like this one was shot? I'm not not impressed at all right like the fucking like the whole campus, or whatever you want to call it like it looked exactly the same as several other movies. You know?
Speaker 1:yeah, it's a uh yeah it, like you say, it stinks of like a streamer that they want to toss out there yeah, that they were just like oh, that sydney sweeney is so hot right now they just relied on that heavily.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she was okay in this movie, but the chemistry there was really no chemistry between any character specifically. Yeah, and I don't know, this movie just was very mid. I'm gonna forget about this by next week yeah, probably um what would you give this one out of ten, though?
Speaker 1:like four four.
Speaker 2:I was gonna say four or two yeah nothing really to it no, no, um, but there's a lot of movies coming out pretty soon too yeah a lot of like big blockbusters. I'll look up some. We got moana coming out soon.
Speaker 1:Moana's not bad, wicked gladiator I do want to see wicked nosferatu nosferatu sounds good um, red one's gonna be next week.
Speaker 2:A lot of big movies coming out. My question for you is Wicked and Gladiator 2 comes out the same?
Speaker 1:day You're going to go see it, me too.
Speaker 2:I think the Wicked is going to make the podcast before.
Speaker 1:Gladiator 2 is the stupidest idea for a movie I've ever heard, wasn't it Best Picture winning? You take a genuinely good historical epic either way and then you turn it into what it looks like a bro-y kind of historical hoorah fest. And we already had that with 300.
Speaker 2:Stay in your lane, gladiator, your lane. Glad they come with 300 again too, like a prequel to that like 3 299 no, there, I think there are people to that too that joke was funny. I'm proud of that so it's the end of the year, greg. I don't think I'm thinking the last time. Next time I have you coming on is like january for the werewolf movies yeah but where are some of the movies that came out this year that stood out to you a lot?
Speaker 1:strange darling, very, very good. Is that the one with nicholas cage? No, that is the one with, um, I did see long legs. Long legs was good, um, long legs, uh, strange darling wild robot. I did see that coralline, uh, in 3d.
Speaker 2:Again, that was a good out of all the movies that came out this year. You liked a movie that came out 10 years ago Because Coraline's a fantastic fucking movie.
Speaker 1:I can't think of many other ones I've actually went out to see in theaters.
Speaker 2:I'm drawing a blank on some of them, I think a big one that stood out to me this year. I saw Strays.
Speaker 1:I like Strays a lot Is that the one with Will Ferrell?
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is dogs, is that?
Speaker 1:this year. Yeah, it's a lot of low-hanging fruit jokes, but I laughed.
Speaker 2:That's a good one, stoned One that stood out to me when I think about the years. This whole year is probably Challengers.
Speaker 1:That's Zendaya in the Twink movie. Yeah.
Speaker 2:We talked about. We Live like we live in time. Yeah, it's shot. Similarly like how you're balancing back and forth between the timeline of the story I would never go see here my mom wants to go see that. We're probably gonna see that today.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, I'm so sorry yeah, it looks boring as fuck it does look boring as fuck yeah just a robert zemeckis love fest let me see what else is on theaters right now, because there's a lot right now for the fall time. I gotta catch up. Conclave that's another religious movie I want to see. Onora, I think that's like a plant, like I mean what I mean by that like people are hyping it up way more than what it's probably gonna be. Yeah, uh, absolute. It's a liam nissel movie, a real pain.
Speaker 1:The jesse eisenberg movie that one looks good it looks okay to me.
Speaker 2:The best christmas pageant ever and that's pretty elevation came out today too. That's the one we almost did for today, but you didn't want to do that one nope, because that one looked like shit.
Speaker 1:It looks exactly like um, it's another. Fucking see. That's the thing. No, none of these studios are giving a shit anymore. They're relying on these cheap studio streamers to churn out content that looks like shit yeah, and then they'll toss it up in theaters for a couple of weeks, because theaters are dying to get new shit in there anyway.
Speaker 2:Would you consider Anthony Immaculate A-list actor no?
Speaker 1:I'd say B-list. Like this new Captain America's a bomb, I'll be surprised.
Speaker 2:The new trailer came out the other day and a lot more footage of it Like this seems like a desperate attempt to make me more excited about it.
Speaker 1:Like they gotta put a, I wanna nail it in this coffin, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but thank you, greg, for coming on the podcast Again, if you want to like, we do have another podcast together called the Awkward Bartender's Guide. Yep, it comes out every Thursday. Greg said we'll see you soon next year on this podcast for the new Werewolves movies. Hell yeah, I can't wait for those. But thank you for everyone listening. Stay tuned. Next week we'll be seeing you, see you.
