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Animated Adventures: Moana Meets Brother Bear
What happens when a planned TV series transforms into a blockbuster sequel? We chatted with Bianca, mother of a devoted young Moana fan, to uncover the excitement and challenges surrounding "Moana 2." This sequel, which rapidly transitioned into a high-grossing film, has stirred mixed feelings among fans who find it lacks the depth of its predecessor. Bianca shares her family's theater experience, highlighting her daughter’s enthusiasm and growing exhaustion with the franchise. We also look at this year's other animated hits like "Inside Out 2" and "The Wild Robot," painting a picture of the current animated landscape.
Embark on a journey across Oceania with Moana as she answers an ancestral call, all while navigating new familial dynamics. The absence of Lin-Manuel Miranda’s musical touch is felt, leaving the new soundtrack in the shadows of the original. We explore intriguing narrative choices, from Moana potentially playing a motherly role to her interactions with an adorable new sibling. Along the way, we fondly revisit the 2003 classic "Brother Bear," reflecting on its spiritual themes and underexplored place in Disney's legacy. The comparisons and contrasts between the two films offer a nostalgic yet critical lens on animated storytelling.
As we think about Moana’s future adventures, we ponder whether her story might evolve better as a TV series, allowing for deeper exploration of different cultures and islands. The conversation touches on character development, humor, and the potential of Moana's powers. Meanwhile, we can’t help but celebrate the comedic relief provided by characters like Pua and nod to the humor found in cultural references. Finally, get ready for our festive Christmas episode, brimming with surprises and holiday cheer, guaranteed to bring joy to our listeners. Merry Christmas to Glenn and to all our loyal followers!
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Speaker 1:Describe moana 2 in one word overhyped overhyped yes overhyped more than wicked I didn't see wicked so I can't say I I liked moana I think everyone's hating on it right now.
Speaker 2:It's getting a lot of hate. I didn't think it was good. I didn't think it was bad. I thought it was pretty good for an adult watching it.
Speaker 1:I was super nitpicky during the whole entire movie.
Speaker 1:During a kid's perspective it was pretty good I'm damn near 30 and I still loved it well, maybe that's an issue for another day, but uh, okay one of two was flawed, not near as good as the first one, but it was still pretty good it was noticeably rushed, like at one point my daughter was getting fussy watching it and her dad was like, oh, we only have like 14 minutes left and we were just starting the beginning of the climax. I was like how are we gonna do this in 14 minutes?
Speaker 2:yeah, the climax is usually at the end of the movie yeah, it was stupid, like why 14 minutes of it?
Speaker 1:though they could, that could have been the main point in the movie and I felt like that was just so rushed.
Speaker 2:It was like, oh, here's a quick solution well, I got all kinds of facts and why that is true, but uh, welcome back to this. It's taken by your host, rob Miranda. Joining me is the biggest Moana fan I know, or the mother of the biggest Moana fan I know, miss Bianca. Miranda Woo woo, bianca's my sister. She's been on many times before. Also the mother of my niece, who is a huge Moana fan, which is why I had you on for this podcast. Moana 2 is breaking all kinds of records and it's only been in the theaters for 5 days now. At the time of recording this. It's the highest grossing animated film so far. It broke that record, which I feel like is not impressive anymore, because almost every animated movie that comes out. It's like breaking that record.
Speaker 1:I feel like the last time I was on here for Inside Out 2, that was the same fact, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2:Mawana 2. I was the same fact, exactly exactly. Moana 2 I was excited for when it came out. I talked about this at the beginning of the year. It was originally going to be a tv show on disney plus, but last minute they decided to re-edit it into a movie form. Do you think that was the best solution? Do you think it would have been better as a tv show?
Speaker 1:I think the movie route was the best way for them because I think it'll be, like you know, more money for them by doing this big movie. But if you're going to do that, you need to pick and choose what is being kept and not because there's a lot of things I felt like could have been left out of this if you weren't going to do deep dive into one thing. It's noticeable, it was spread out.
Speaker 2:Everything was very surface level for me well, like I said, it was meant to be a show and I'm sure at some point in the show each cast member was going to have their own special moment in that television show. Uh, but this one like, it's just kind of like why I don't give a fuck about this old man in the here yeah, that was my biggest thing.
Speaker 1:I was like you could tell like, okay, they're supposed to play more significant role, they're supposed to mean a little bit more than what they are in this movie, or even such as like the quote-unquote bad guys or people along the way this journey. It was just kind of touch and go like it was nothing. I didn't get to know their background.
Speaker 2:They sang a song, maybe that was it how many times did you see, if you watched moana, the first one?
Speaker 1:oh god, how many times I probably said that I watched it, maybe like genuinely five times my daughter it's like eight times a day eight times a day.
Speaker 2:It's not even an exaggeration yeah I'm sure her first birthday was like, uh, months ago, but it was her theme, moana, and to the point where she's kind of over moana, but do you think she's gonna get back into it with moana?
Speaker 1:too yeah so streaming leading up to moana too, her dad was like adamant, we are going to see it the day it comes out. So every day he would have me put it on for her at least once, and then the soundtrack. Anytime we had a car ride we were listening to moana like kind of prepping her for it.
Speaker 2:So to the point where I asked selena, like how, what would you rate it?
Speaker 1:And she goes I give it three yeah, basically. Yeah, she's not verbal yet.
Speaker 2:Let's take a step back real quick. Talk about the year a little bit. This has been a big year for animated movies. I mean we just talked about Inside Out 2. The Wild Robot has been a big sleeper this year, not sleeper because it's been very popular.
Speaker 2:It's very it's in theaters. It should be streaming anytime soon, because it came out like a few months ago. Um, I've yet to see it, but there are other other men movies coming out that has been animated, that's been gone through. Uh, specifically streaming movies. You don't go to the theaters a whole lot, right? No, I actually do not enjoy the theaters you went to see, obviously inside out, because you were on in the podcast for inside out too. Yes, what have you been seeing between these two movies?
Speaker 1:um, I don't think anything. I think inside out too was the last movie I did go to and you went opening night to see moana too.
Speaker 2:How was that theater experience?
Speaker 1:it was pretty good. There is a movie theater like catered, more so so two kids in frankfurt that we were trying to go to it was completely packed until the later shows, but I work overnight so we couldn't do that, so we went to the one. Um then nicer theaters with the reclined seats and all that it was. It wasn't filled, but it was like you guys can get a few families in and two seats in between, stuff like that.
Speaker 2:It was a lot of family, though it wasn't just one-off people I went opening night with our mother and to the regular theater we go to every time and it was packed like this is the most packed like I've seen it in years, which is wild because I would have laughed I mean we see like death pool wolverine there.
Speaker 2:I don't think it was as packed as this movie. It's kind of wild. Obviously most of it was kids, but even like a session stand that line was like to the door. I was like fuck dude, I don't even want to get anything anymore and my thing it wasn't even like small kids in my theaters.
Speaker 2:I would say like it was pre-teens really in mine I think it was my daughter and like maybe one other three-year-old, that was it I mean, most of my theater was a bunch of kids which I was like, ah great, we hear you crying and all that. But to my surprise, most of it was pretty decent. It was pretty decent, I think my mom next to her, like a few seats down, it was like teenagers, young 20s maybe. She said they were doing a lot of talking. I was like oh geez. And then her mom, she was crying through half of the movie. I was like calm down, lady.
Speaker 1:I want to explain half of this movie to you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I heard she learned how to do a chi-hoo from this Chi-hoo. Yeah. What have you been watching? I know you're a big documentary person too. What's been new?
Speaker 1:Nothing I have been we pinched the Menendez story together. That was cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was actually interesting. I was. I was talking about that set um set photos of season three. No, for the guy who plays jackson on sons of anarchy. He's gonna be in season three star playing. I can't remember the guy's name, but he's a serial killer from like the 50s.
Speaker 2:I want to say like he's a serial killer that all of these movies are based on, like the chainsaw man and Texas Chainsaw Massacre, I'm sorry, and American Psycho. All of these movies are based off of this one guy, so I'm very excited to see that play out.
Speaker 1:I like him as an actor. He's very serious and intense and I like it because it feels genuine. It doesn't feel like he's playing a role.
Speaker 2:But his real-life voice does not match his body. Oh God, don't tell me that. He's a very high-pitched voice minus a thousand points.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah that's like that one scene from like grown-ups, where it's like the guy from sascha one or whatever yeah, that guy just died not too long ago.
Speaker 3:Oh, I can't remember his name, but he's a famous canadian actor. I think he's an actor, famous canadian something.
Speaker 1:a sports athlete maybe, but yeah, he just passed away earlier this year. Rip yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:What else has been going on? There's not too much news that's been going on. I mean, I've seen Fantastic Four just finish wrapping filming up with a mysterious actor who's going to be in there because he's seen photos of or videos of him like this person with a coat over his head and like being snuck onto a trailer, so no one spots seems like kidnapping actually we could have witnessed a crime. I don't know, but I also seen wednesday. Season two just finished wrapping not too long ago never got into it I tried watching it.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying it's bad, I'm not, just not a tv series person I am.
Speaker 1:I think maybe if I was like a little bit younger I would be more into it. Then don't let my kids scream in the background yeah, yeah, but christmas time's coming up.
Speaker 2:What have you been watching christmas movies?
Speaker 1:um, for those who can't see me, I'm fully grinched out. So, yes, I have been watching one christmas movie, and this was it grinch uh yeah, oh, I was like I thought you were referencing Moana.
Speaker 2:I was like Moana's not a Christmas movie, the Grinch movie. I haven't seen it yet this year, but I have done a podcast episode recording already on that.
Speaker 1:Oh, so you're a fraud, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I'm not the only fraud here because I heard you didn't even watch our second movie we're talking about today.
Speaker 1:Not recently, but I have. Yeah, the same movie we're talking about today.
Speaker 2:Not recently, but I have yeah, I'm saying we're gonna grinch, um. So, that being said, we're going to be talking about, obviously, moana 2. I'm gonna throw a throwback movie you picked, brother bear disney original, I haven't seen in many years. I remember he turns into a bear and that's pretty much all I remember, uh pretty funny it's funny and it's cute. I could see why it wasn't disney's like a big hit for disney it's because disney's racist and there was a bunch of native americans well, it's low-key about race I was like it was a nasty bears, like it's code for black people.
Speaker 2:It's. It will go into that, get into that. But there was a famous actor in there who I've recognized, but I wasn't sure if it was him that I looked it up like, oh sure, I'm surprised it was him. Um, but let's go to moana 2. Following the success in 2016, moana moana 2 is about. After receiving an unexpected call from her wayfounding ancestors, moana must journey to the far seas of Oceania into dangerous, long lost waters for an adventure unlike anything she's ever faced. This movie is definitely an adventure movie. It's adventurous, it's funny, it's charming. The music isn't quite there as a first one.
Speaker 1:I already knew when Miranda was not going to be on the soundtrack that I was like, oh, this is going to be trash compared to it.
Speaker 2:Which I'm surprised they didn't bring him back.
Speaker 1:Maybe they couldn't afford him or something.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm thinking, or maybe because it was going to be a TV show originally. They didn't even bother putting that much money into it. Exactly, I'm not saying the music was bad, it just wasn't as good.
Speaker 1:But really, if it was a TV show, you're maybe talking about one big song throughout each episode, so you wouldn't need Miranda for that but for a movie. I think he was really missing out.
Speaker 2:And I could definitely try mimicking his rapping in this movie, especially with the old man.
Speaker 1:I hated it. Oh, he pissed me off so bad.
Speaker 2:The old man and I can't remember her name the mechanic, yeah.
Speaker 1:She was very annoying.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think she was needed for the adventure, for sure, but her personality was just too much for me.
Speaker 2:Moni was pretty cool, like I mean, I would have to say about his character in a second, but adding him to this mix made sense. He's a big macho man and he's funny, but I don't think we've seen enough of him in this movie to be really, really invested his historical background.
Speaker 1:Like he's big history buff, he tells the stories and it does come into play and it does help. And I think in the tv show we would have got more in depth like, well, why do you like this? Like what? What brought you to this point?
Speaker 2:and I would have liked this character a whole lot more I want to talk about his in just a second, like his history background in the minute. But like, let's pick up. Like this is a few years after the first one, like the their people was there? People called again the more island people, islanders, I guess yeah, um they broke the barrier, like okay, like yeah, we're not afraid to go, but about, I mean, beyond the reef.
Speaker 2:Now they can go and explore, wasn't afraid to go beyond the reef, yeah so she's going out island to island trying to find other people, because they know like they can't live isolated forever yeah so she's going out, island, island. She's not really finding anything. She's finding hints of other civilizations out there, but she's not seeing anybody else. She comes back deliver this. It's been a few years and she has a little sister, who was my favorite part of the movie.
Speaker 1:She was very cute and adorable I could have went without her no way. Like she was a cute and adorable, yeah, but I don't think she really added anything. Do you think like?
Speaker 2:if it what there had been a serious talk about like. Should we make this her daughter, you know?
Speaker 1:And I think so too, because I was talking to my friend about Moana too, and on her feed, on her social medias, it painted a picture like Moana too was basically about like, oh, siblings that have a huge age gap Because, if I'm correct, moana, in the second movie she has to be in her 20s.
Speaker 2:I thought she was like 16.
Speaker 1:So I think she was 16 in the first movie, because that's what they were talking about her becoming the chief and all this stuff and coming of age around 15 if that's the case, then she's like 19, then because then she's like kids like this kid's less than like two years old and then my thing is it's like, um, I didn't get that vibe because the kid was like in and out, cute little parts of family was hinted at.
Speaker 1:But it was never a big role in the movie for me and so it was just like, yeah, I could have went without her the little kid, I mean the parents definitely showing favoritism yeah for sure. Uh, her mom was like, oh, marlena, you have to go. And then her dad's like, no. Her mom was like, yeah, she's going, I don't care, and it was like, oh, she might die though yeah, that's why they had another one scary ocean.
Speaker 2:This is like they confirmed. This is like over 2 000 years before, like this time, like our present time yeah they make a joke and there's like a boom reference too. And did you catch that?
Speaker 1:no, I have. No, I never even heard of that until you had a glenn on here yeah and then, a few weeks later, your other friend fernando. He made a reel or something and he referenced it.
Speaker 2:So I was like I have no idea what this is, the costco guys.
Speaker 1:They bring the boom I have no idea what that is. When he said it I was like, oh, is he trying to start something? And then I see fernando do it. I was like, oh, I guess it's catchy, god yeah he's a trendsetter.
Speaker 2:Um so going back to it, no, this is a couple years after the first moana. She's like no fear at all at this point. She's very adventurous. She's like she hasn't contacted or heard from Maui, played by the Rock in a long time. She is more independent. She's more leadership. She is supposed to be grooming to be like chief I guess you could call it. But she's not really more. She's a wayfinder, that's what they call her.
Speaker 2:She it, but she's not really more like she's a wayfinder that's what they call her. Yeah, she's more like leading a team, like setting sail and then they're so full-on embracing that because of one character I can't remember her name, but she's like she was specifically designing boats, which is very yeah, well, something comes on and you go, and so you go back and forth a little bit with maui's character and you find out he's trapped.
Speaker 2:And this is where you find out that there is another island out there who's like the center of all islands basically, and it's cursed by this god who you don't even see in this whole movie. I was kind of irritated about that.
Speaker 1:The last movie we got to see, the lava monster yeah, and even if, like, oh, like, it was a big storm, right. So I thought, I thought, oh, maybe it'll be like Te Fiti, like you know, we're going to see it in a storm form, not necessarily human form, and that never even happened, like you just got eyes, baby. That was it.
Speaker 2:Barely even that. But anyways, he cursed this island so no human can set foot on it, and because the island went missing, he sunk it. All the paths for everyone to find each other are just appeared and I was like I'm sure if you keep going in one direction you run into that's what I think I thought in my head.
Speaker 1:It was going to be like, oh, this big dramatic thing. All it did was glow the water together. I was like, okay, that was it and instantly when they got it up, there was like people within like there.
Speaker 2:Within two minutes I was hated, I was hated.
Speaker 1:If I was Wanda, I'd be like I just did all this work for you guys.
Speaker 2:And you guys just stood there and watched.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was like you guys couldn't help at all when we were crying.
Speaker 2:So they set sail on this huge adventure. She recruited new people, like this old farmer who was close to retirement, the person who's in charge of building and repairing the boat, which makes sense to have her on the crew yes, that was, and then the person who's like the big buff guy, who's a history nerd, makes sense to have him on for several reasons one, he's big and strong, um, and two, like he knows like history a little bit, so he could kind of guide you in some way yeah, I think he really.
Speaker 1:His key role was um so, with the other islands where he was able to look at him. Oh, that's this island.
Speaker 2:Here's what they're known for yeah, uh, the farmer pissed me off because like he was there for because we need other food besides just snacks didn't provide anything.
Speaker 1:No, in fact, he threw the fucking plants off the boat and my thing is you're on an island. How are you scared of water? That was like you grow up around it, right right.
Speaker 2:So then, um, they're said, sailing the part that pissed. Well, we're almost there about the big guy um they run into those evil coconuts again yeah, you see they're way bigger part in this movie than the last movie. I was kind of mad last movie. They just showed up for like two minutes and then you never see them again.
Speaker 1:But there is like a bigger part for them in this movie than the last movie.
Speaker 2:I was kind of mad last movie. They just showed up for like two minutes and then you never see them again. But there is like a bigger part for them in this movie and you get more sympathy for their characters, you find out why they're so mad at evil and they kind of team up a little bit. This is where I'm mad with the big guy. They start showing um, like their backstory through like imagery and it's like oh, this, this is this, he tells the whole fucking story.
Speaker 1:it's like there ain't no fucking way, you're gonna know this.
Speaker 2:This guy would kill at charades I forgot about the beginning, part two, when they find out about the island, the cursed island, moana has a vision. She gets struck by lightning and she has a vision from her ancestors that tells her what's going on. And then it's like what does that mean? And then they go to the guy. He's like, oh yeah, I remember learning about this.
Speaker 2:You never thought to bring this up. We've been searching for years for people and you knew the answer we couldn't find them for a reason and where is he learning this from, like they?
Speaker 1:all go to the same school, I'm assuming you guys didn't even show any interest in other people until like two years ago and, honestly, when I, after I watched this movie, I went back to watch the first one and I was trying to fight him as like a little boy because I was like he looks around a lot of his age, so I was trying to see if he was in the classroom or something I couldn't tell no, there's no way.
Speaker 2:They would have put that in there. Um, but there is little boy for the first one with the dancing guy.
Speaker 1:Oh, he like winks and kisses her and she does it back to her.
Speaker 2:I was like okay, chill pedophile, so that um, and the movie doesn't really get good until, at least, like, moana and maui get together again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the whole bread and butter, this whole movie and that absolutely I was so upset how they got together because it was so unnecessary for me, like that whole character that took maui and it was like that lady yeah, I'm like she was so irrelevant, like you say no, I couldn't even tell she was evil or not yeah, my thing too was like if you wrote it to do, I wouldn't like the ancestors to be involved in it more. Like they came to maui, like hey, you're gonna stay.
Speaker 2:Like cause some sort of distraction to keep him there until moana met up with him yeah that would have been a better plot point for me until, like, she's held and captured and then they finally come like all right, you can go.
Speaker 1:I was like that's it yeah, like she was like here's a portal I'm gonna save you half your travel time. I was like yeah okay, I thought it was a trap. But I guess I thought for sure it was a trap too, and you want to, even invited to come with her.
Speaker 2:It's not really for me. I was like what the fuck was the point of this?
Speaker 1:I was like, are you trapped there her song wasn't even that good yeah, it was, so we listened to it, uh, before we watched the movie it was on the soundtrack we were trying to like yo, let's see the vibes, and we both looked at each other like, oh, this is gonna be trash this is near the time, too, where the rock gets his own song again.
Speaker 2:Like you're welcome was way, way better, yes, but this one it was I tried finding I wanted to like it so much and it's not terrible, but I'm never gonna listen to it again it's not catchy.
Speaker 1:My thing. It's a kid's movie. You have to get catchy stuff in there yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then they finally come up with this plan. I mean, don't get me wrong, there's a lot of funny stuff that happens in this movie. Yeah, they definitely push the pig a lot more in this one.
Speaker 1:I'm a big fan of Pua Pua I thought it was Bawa. No.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's the bigger pig. Yeah, she has her own groupies too.
Speaker 1:Like Moana, who has people trusting, just like her.
Speaker 2:I was cracking up when the Rock made that reference and he was like oh, moana ends, moana bees, or something like that. And then the big guy, the Moni, he was a big Maui fan and he was fangirling over the whole time and he made fan art of them together and at the end, when they were posing for a handshake or something, yeah, I was cracking up when the cocoa or cocomelons, or what are they the coconuts yeah, the coconuts.
Speaker 1:Um, they were trying to show a picture. They're like what's this? And he was like that is fan fiction it was him beating the coconuts up on maui? Yeah?
Speaker 2:yeah, the whole movie was very funny. Then the any it mean the third act saved this whole movie for me. Yeah, it was intense, there was high stakes out there it was fast paced like. I don't think I checked my watch or phone for the time at all. I did a lot I didn't like especially the third act, once they started fighting and battling and what.
Speaker 2:There is a moment where you think there's a couple people who are gonna die in this movie I was like oh shit, this is gonna get real, I was rooting for the old man to drown I don't know. I hate how cute like oh I brave enough to go swim, like three feet I was like okay, like we could, you were irrelevant this whole trip literally, he didn't even translate anything or anybody at the end of the movie he's like oh, I speak coconut by the way out. I was like okay, no one cares um, and then you mean the grandmother comes back in this movie.
Speaker 1:Yes, most irrelevant.
Speaker 2:Big fan of her, I like it she was irrelevant, she was like all she did really is come back and like I'm gonna be here with you and you never see her again I was kind of hoping that her uh spirit, the stingray, would have showed up a little bit more. But we see the whale spirit.
Speaker 1:That was pretty yeah that was the old chief, that was.
Speaker 2:That was pretty old wayfinder, yeah and how the entire intertwined her like boat with his. That was yeah, that was a nice moment, I liked it and then there's a moment where you think spoiler, but we think, well, wada's gonna die. I did get teary-eyed, I'll admit it.
Speaker 1:My mom was bawling her eyes at this point I was laughing, not at that situation, but it was just like as soon as it happened, all the kids were and then even like we had a group of preteens. Oh my god, and it was just so dramatic and I was like clap, I was like holding in my laugh, and then this is when my daughter decides to clap, I'm like, oh great she's like oh, we're making noise. Yeah, that's basically it.
Speaker 2:So then, at least there's a question. I'm like she does become a Debbie, God right.
Speaker 1:Yes, absolutely, that's what I thought. Yeah, I was like you're beyond chief Like I wouldn't even go back to that place now, yeah right, and then, instead of her having the hook, that's when she has her oar. That's why it has that design.
Speaker 2:Because you see, maui loses tattoos too.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I thought he was going to just stay immortal.
Speaker 1:I mean not immortal Become mortal. I thought it was kind of like you want to replace him. There could only be one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know about only be one, but I feel like the Rock definitely pushed for it.
Speaker 1:He was like no, I'm gonna stay a demi god by the way buy my tequila, yeah, and his shampoo.
Speaker 2:Yeah, shampoos are the new things people are gonna get to. I think little wayne is a shampoo too I will immediately buy that, just for him packaging it all yeah, but I thought that maui was gonna become immortal and he was gonna live with their that village yeah I mean, at the same time I'm glad he didn't lose his powers, but like, why show it then?
Speaker 1:I would like to actually have a movie pre-Moana that focuses on Maui and about, like, how his mom disregarded him and threw him into the sea. Like well, who are his people? Where's his island?
Speaker 2:One thing I was going to. I mean his tattoos. Look, you could see more stories in his tattoos. But one thing I was glad they brought in in the last movie he talked about lifting islands off from the sea. I'm glad we got to visually see that in this movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was actually pretty cool.
Speaker 2:Because I was like what the fuck are you talking about? A prequel for him would be interesting. I don't think the Rock would ever do it. That one would be more like a TV show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I could see that, Because then I think you can go from how he went from island to island to island and then leading it off when he stole the heart. That's the Viti.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he gets his hook back at the end of this movie too Obviously has the power to change the animals.
Speaker 1:Yeah, moana gets her oar. Does she have powers? I was hoping she would do something with the powers. I was like, oh, maybe she's gonna turn into her like spirit animal, whatever that could be. And she never did nothing. She was like, okay, guys, I got this new cool tattoo and I thought she was gonna make a joke. When she was looking at it I thought she was gonna be like oh, is this permanent or something like, or my dad's gonna kill me but like it was this opportunity no, not would have been cool.
Speaker 2:They don't even reference it. When she goes back home it's like, hey, I'm glowing guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought it would have been more significant for it to happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the actress who sings it. She's very talented, I love her. She didn't have a song that.
Speaker 1:She did have a couple songs in this movie, but nothing like that really vocalized her in a whole bigger way and I feel like I was like kind of disappointed in like the song and I was like I don't know if it's the song itself that or it's just because she's older, now it's different.
Speaker 2:But I was like this ain't hidden at all, uh do you think this movie would have worked as a tv show?
Speaker 1:absolutely. I think they would have got each bad person, or a lot more stops along the way to fully understand and get more in depth to it, and I would have enjoyed it a lot more me, but as a kid probably not, because you're not gonna sit there and like, learn all this stuff one of the biggest ways you could tell the success of a tv, a kid's show or movie is that toy sales who do you?
Speaker 2:think is going to be selling the most toys? Is it the pig, the animals again, moawi the rock um or moan herself, these new characters? I think they're gonna try selling the bat lady, but no one gives a fuck about her I have been seeing a lot more of the pua in sales, a lot more like.
Speaker 1:for my, you know, because the government listens all of my um advertisement, it's Pua in there, every single one, and I was like he's like cute and all, but I'm like I'm buying Moana, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, at least the chicken like helps her find stuff Like this guy was an inconvenience the whole movie.
Speaker 1:He was like oh, I'm going to help save Maui in the water.
Speaker 2:I Maui in the water. I was like don't you not know how to swim? Wasn't that a big part of the first one? Yeah, and it's weird too, because the pig didn't grow at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm like, do you have pork too?
Speaker 2:They make jokes about eating pork too. I was like why, is this one sacred to you?
Speaker 1:It's the same way. Hey, he's not getting eaten, but they eat chickens.
Speaker 2:He's skinny.
Speaker 1:That's why I don't watch them I think it's just because he's slow you guess?
Speaker 2:uh, well, one of two. Would you go watch it again in theaters?
Speaker 1:absolutely not. Why not? Well, first of all, my daughter um, the first like 10-15 minutes of it loved it, clapping along to it, uh, shaking her hand. She was excited for it. After that it slowly went downhill. She tried putting herself to sleep because we went to that fancy theater, had the reclined seats. She was just trying to put herself to sleep and she was humming the whole time. It was awkward. And then the last 10 minutes of it she started to get antsy. So then we gave her towels to tear out the whole time. So I was like, yeah, I'm not dealing with this again would you go by yourself, though?
Speaker 2:no, I would go see it again.
Speaker 1:I'm not like I know all the princesses Moana Like, yeah, she's cool. They made a joke about that too, the princess yeah, I was like don't call me princess, Like some people think you are yeah.
Speaker 2:That was a pretty clever joke, I think Moana. The first one was great.
Speaker 1:I liked it and if it wasn't for my niece watching a million times.
Speaker 2:That's what made me really love it, yeah, so I think it's gonna take a couple watches for people to really appreciate, appreciate this movie, I'll definitely stream it at the house for her, just maybe see if she gets more into it at a more comfortable location.
Speaker 1:But as far as me sitting down watching it with her, probably not. If anything, I think I'll critique it even more than I did the first time do you think there'll be a third one and would you want a third one? I guess I would want the prequel. I don't think I need necessarily need a third one. I think the third one that can be more profitable as a tv show because then you can look into these different islands I can see there being a spin-off tv show, like I don't even know what different character yeah, because after this I don't think you necessarily need moana.
Speaker 1:I think she can pop in with her demigod powers here and there. I don't think there needs to be. You can move on with this without the main character.
Speaker 2:I feel like I mean, the first problem was like the resources dying and they found out why and they fixed that. Now they're like saying oh, if you don't find other civilizations like your people are gonna die out. She fixed that. It's like where else could he go from here? What are the problems they're gonna have?
Speaker 1:oh, that's just like throughout the years, as things are evolving um colonization you think they're gonna like fucking pocahontas right. That's why I think years to come. That's why I think it's more profitable as a tv show. You can. You don't have to go in debt. You can learn these different islands what are their stuff going on, you know I mean, fucking looks of it.
Speaker 1:They all look like the draft, grass skirts and everything too so well, it's different, I think, like um, so polynesian is really just the umbrella for it, but then you break it up up into different things like oh, samoans and all this stuff, and I think that you can learn the different parts of the umbrella. Really, it'll be more a cultural thing than anything, I would say.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wouldn't want to see that movie form though.
Speaker 1:I would like to see it in a TV show for sure. Movie no, I think it'll be too rushed. Yeah, what would you give moana 2?
Speaker 2:1 out of 10 a 4, a 4 I hate you. A strong 4. I hate you.
Speaker 1:I'll give it a 6, at least 6.5 my daughter gives it a salad 8 for the first 10, 50 minutes that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 2:What would you give moana one out of ten.
Speaker 1:I guess a nine. I really don't have too much complaints about it.
Speaker 2:Are you excited for the live action Moana?
Speaker 1:Not really.
Speaker 2:I mean either because I was like is it? Going to be the same exact story.
Speaker 1:I would assume it's a mixture between the one and two. You know, they kind of blend it all together in one big movie don't think it's gonna hit the same at all.
Speaker 2:No, I don't think either um I honestly feel like the rock is going to piss me off in this next movie maybe the rock is pretty well, he's just a rock, really, yeah, but the actress isn't that the same actress of voices that was playing her too?
Speaker 1:I believe so yes I, I think she.
Speaker 2:At one point I heard she was backing out, but I couldn't tell she's back in or not did you hear?
Speaker 1:uh, she did an interview and they were talking about, like her mom, like, oh, she met the rock the first time and he was super nice. And then her mom was like, oh, I can go rock climbing. And then she was like at that age, when I was young, I didn't understand it. She's like but I tell this story often and I get like more uncomfortable each time I tell it gross rock climbing jeez, that's funny um, I want to go back in time a little bit to the studio.
Speaker 2:Sorry, 2003. Brother bear, how old are you? 2003?
Speaker 1:I was for the majority of the year and then five, like the last two weeks I was six and I remember this movie coming out.
Speaker 2:It was like a pretty big deal. It was all over disney channel. Um, I remember seeing the premiere on disney channel and stuff like that. I don't know why I thought cuba gooding jr was in this movie.
Speaker 2:I don't know who that is guy who played radio oh, show me the money, um. But listening to it like that's not cuba gooding jr and I was like who the fuck is it? And I knew exactly who it was when I was watching it. And it's joaquin phoenix, the guy, the guy who just played the Joker in the last movie.
Speaker 1:You didn't see it. Oh, my goodness lady.
Speaker 2:He was Napoleon recently.
Speaker 1:Dynamite no, oh, then I don't know.
Speaker 2:He's one of the biggest actors in the world right now. But, for people that know it's an animated movie. It's about when a young Inuit hunter needlessly kills a bear.
Speaker 1:He is magically changed into a bear himself as punishment, with a talkative cub being the only guide to changing it back. What do you remember about this plot? I remember it was a big thing that he um, they all get like a special meaning with their name or like your spiritual guide, and people are getting these brave things such as like, oh, a bear like or something called masculine right or wise, and this guy gets like, oh, you're a lover you're a bear of love yeah, and like everyone's just like crapping on him.
Speaker 1:It's funny, he, yeah. And then, like his brother tragically dies and then he goes after the bear. Well, he ends up transforming into the bear and then the other brother tries to kill him so what it was like?
Speaker 2:yeah, you're right, he does get a bear and he didn't tease a lot. And then there's a bear that stole their food for the winter, whatever it is, because I don't remember what their nationality is- Native American. I thought it was like Alaskan for some reason, because they were all. But it's just wintertime, I guess.
Speaker 1:I think it's Native American because of the whole spiritual guide with it. I don't know if Alaskans are like that.
Speaker 2:The only reason I was like, am I a Native American? Because they grow their muscles just like I do, just at the tips of their lips. I was like, am I Native American?
Speaker 1:Well, if you want to do a deep dive in it, there's actually no such thing as Mexicans. No, I don't want to do a deep, that's not this podcast. It's guess for that.
Speaker 2:Anyways, I'm not that factual on it. Yeah, yeah, I could tell. That's why I want to go that hole. She's like I think we're aliens. That's where that term aliens come from.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, anyways but, um, a bear stares, steals our food and he, like, is getting tired of picked up. I would go save us and save our food. And he goes after them with the spear, winds up, trapping this bear on a cliff, an ice cliff, and then the ice breaks, killing the older brother going down with it and the bear going down with it, but the bear survives. You see the bear survive. You never see the older brother again. He's dead.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So then the kid wants to go for revenge, and he goes and he finds the bear. Long story short.
Speaker 2:He kills the bear, still unsatisfied not unsatisfied, but like he's. He's with the bear and at the time of killing, like they're at top of this rock, where they call it, the light touches the rock and this is like what spiritual, like kurt, no, no, curses him but like, puts him in the body of a bear and he's wicked. He falls down a cliff, he goes, like he's into a river, he goes miles away and he wakes up. And then the brother, the old, the young, the middle brother I think he's the middle brother.
Speaker 1:He wants revenge yeah which is very unlike him too, because he never blamed the bear for killing his, his older brother I think actually he blamed the younger brother because the whole reason that the bear took his food is because the younger brother was messing around or whatever, and then the older brother ended up sacrificing himself to save the two and in the meantime, waking up as a bear, he finds he can understand all the all of the other animals in the woods which I don't think that's how that works but a big um one of them, the mooses. I'm a big fan of those mooses yeah, toque in.
Speaker 2:uh, I can't be right. Anyways, yeah, they were like two stoners basically, in this movie?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was laughing my butt off.
Speaker 2:So he understands them, and he ends up running to this little bear too. His name is Koda, played by Jeremy Suarez. I'm sure he's like the perfect cast for this voice for this little kid in this movie. This movie flopped so hard that they probably knew it was going to flop. They tried getting Phil Collins to come in and do the music.
Speaker 1:I know who that is.
Speaker 2:Who did the music for Tarzan and all these other Disney movies. I think I want to say Lion King for a little bit too.
Speaker 1:That makes sense, seems up his alley.
Speaker 2:And his song was okay in this movie it was good. But I think the other movies, like Tarzan and stuff like that, I think the characters were singing the music too. No, they weren't, but I don't know. This music was all right. This movie was okay for the most part. Like I said, after a while it was very clear that they were talking about race.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was like they're monsters. Yeah, I was like they're monsters and like it's almost like if a white guy turned black and understood how they were for a day it's like these white guys are trying to kill us and these black guys are trying to kill us the whole time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, to the point where the little bear goes like he, the bear goes the big bear. I need to go to the mountain where the light touches the mountains and the little bear goes. I know where that's at. That's next to the salmon salmon brunch, or whatever the fuck they call it, yeah where they go like a bunch of bears go to eat, uh, fish, very obvious, that's quote for barbecue, you know the barbecue so they tag along, they go um on his journey to go find this place, and it's a cool little montage of them getting along, playing along together.
Speaker 2:And so the, the big brother, realized like you're full of shit, you don't know where the fuck you're going. Yeah, is it kind of so? Then he's like oh wait, I think I do remember now and this whole time they're like going, they're being hunted down by his older brother yeah pretty fun, even like to the point he sees something's wrong with them. I was like, why is he doing this? This isn't like him. And that guy, the brother, his spiritual animal, was like.
Speaker 2:I forgot what animal was, but he was like wisdom an owl an owl of wisdom and you could tell he's just lost in his ways. He was just mad at the world, and the younger brother saw this too, to the point where he almost kills him, but he tries saving the two well, pictures of an issue is like yeah, he watched his older brother die fall off the cliff and they suspect that the younger brother died as well.
Speaker 1:They never knew what happened to him, so they just assumed the bear got both of them I mean, say, the younger or the older brother did kill the bear.
Speaker 2:I mean the cycle still continues yeah it's just hate and that's the whole point of this journey is like the older brother was wise as fuck. He was a leader. He knew it wasn't his fault Like the bear's fault that he died. It was unfortunate and the fucked up part about this, Bianca, is the bear he killed was a little brother's mother.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I forgot about that. It was very emotional the first time you watched the movie.
Speaker 2:I forgot all about that. At least he had the balls to tell him I killed your mother.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't, I'd be like yeah I don't know what happened to her. I would actually blame it on someone that I didn't like. I'd be like, yeah, I seen him do it it was very big of him to do it.
Speaker 2:It was hard, especially for the younger brother to forgive. I don't know about forgiving him, but like sympathizing with him a little bit too and help saving his life towards the end. And then they get to the mountain. Yep. And he ends up learning his lesson. I think what the ultimate thing was. He was about to sacrifice himself to save the little bear from his brother, but his older brother comes from the heavens and saves him, and he turns him back to human.
Speaker 1:yeah, naked, by the way, I was like yeah, I was like, I changed I changed wearing clothes yeah so then he has to change it back and then he looks over the little brother.
Speaker 2:It's like I think I need to help him. I was like you're willing to go back to being a fucking bear?
Speaker 1:you're like can I just keep you as a dog or something?
Speaker 2:I was like the whole point is was for humans to learn, you know, to be more sympathy for these animals, and but no one learns this lesson. Like no one. He doesn't.
Speaker 1:He doesn't even tell his whole story to his brother yeah, and my thing too is how are we gonna keep track? Of you like, do we? Put a tag on you or what like you're not supposed to kill any bears but like, if you're killing me, well, like what if you're just getting mad at me one day? And then he's like oh, I'm a bear, I can easily kill you, and there's like no jury for that it doesn't mean that's too like these bears, like we're scared of this hunter.
Speaker 2:All they have is one staff. Yeah, I was like you just grab that and cut it in half, like now what?
Speaker 1:like you can't do shit typically, like there's more than one bear at a time. It's never like you see those one-off bears like come on, dude you know, like team up that's called gangs.
Speaker 2:That's another way he ends up going back to being a bear, I don't know. I was like can you the power to switch back and forth? Yeah, that would have been cool I was like because he couldn't understand the bear when he was a little like a when he was a human, then he ends up being a bear for the rest of his life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's kind of a shit deal, but I mean, I guess what a way to get out of more likely to survive the winters, I guess, but again you're a bear. I mean like, do you like start cooking this salmon? Or what is the brother the little?
Speaker 2:bear like instantly thinks of him as a brother figure, which is odd, because like wouldn't you think him as a father figure? I thought I don't think so.
Speaker 1:Just the way he interacts with him. It was never like disciplinary, like a father would be. It was more like a hey, let's goof around, joke around, but I'm also serious. At the end of the day, that's.
Speaker 2:That's a brother I guess what would you give this movie one out of ten it's all at eight eight. I would give it an eight. I like no one talks about this movie. We've been to Disneyland three or four times now. It's nowhere to be mentioned.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Brother Bear, it's a good fucking movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it is really.
Speaker 2:Do you think they would bring this one back in a different form?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Do you think they should?
Speaker 1:Not now, I would say, because it's kind of like there's nothing really going on right now. I think in the future, whether it's like you bring the historical events or you bring more characteristics to it, I think just now is not a good time for this. I mean, especially with all these hot movies coming out, like one or two frozen. It was kind of like we're focused on other things.
Speaker 2:A lot of Disney movies are connected to at one point or another. Yeah, I don't think like you'd see any references or in any other movie of reference, to this movie at all.
Speaker 1:really, either you know what I would think, or what it would be cool to see. The connection would be. You know brave how, like oh, her mom turns into a bear I think that would be like I don't know how you can connect it somehow, because you know how people do that on TikTok.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, this girl wears a red shoe. That red shoe is the same thing in this movie. It's like okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:And they're like who cares?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:We're never going to see these characters interact.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Unless they make a movie where they all fight each other or something.
Speaker 1:That would be pretty cool. That that would be pretty cool. That would be pretty cool, I think that I'll take.
Speaker 2:Put money on the bear.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, yeah, but I would watch. I think there is. Isn't there a brother?
Speaker 2:bear too.
Speaker 1:Yes, there is same characters no idea, I never watched it, me neither um maybe that's where, I think, cuba goody judy comes in play maybe yeah, but I remember this being a big deal what it came about.
Speaker 2:It was very cool. I don't know if we I really doubt we went to the theaters. There was four of us that were that age yeah probably not, but I remember at the pretty positive we had the vhs at this one I do remember that. Yes, yeah uh, other than that, there's maybe like three or four more episodes of this year that are coming out with exciting we have mufasa coming out, the live action, and that's another disney one um christmas episode.
Speaker 2:And there is another movie can't remember which one's coming out, but I think it's gonna be a recurring guest for that one. Nice, nice, what movies are you looking for to come out?
Speaker 1:there's a couple coming out on christmas day too there is one movie I've seen a preview to I forgot the name of it. I think she's like um her dad's, like a real big boxer person. Oh yeah, and he kind of takes that on. I would like to see that one.
Speaker 2:That's coming out on Christmas Day too. That looks I don't know if I'm gonna see. I'm not seeing that on Christmas Day, but I want to see it still too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like in the that would be a good experience for it yeah, I'm surprised that one actually didn't come out around thanksgiving time oh yeah any movies that are coming out next year that you're excited for frozen three frozen three is coming out next year.
Speaker 1:I forgot about that I can, I want to say toy story five oh, I'm not looking forward to it at all I think that's coming out. 2026 was five like three was good enough for me. Honestly, if we got one toy story, I would have been fully satisfied. Two awesome, great, three, okay, we need to pump the brakes now. Like that's too much that's just kind of stupid I mean, it was visually cool but like I didn't need that, I guess at all.
Speaker 2:What about the live actually lowered stitch?
Speaker 1:we've seen stitch already I'm over stitch. I don't know like well anyone's like big tg max home goods person. That guy is everywhere on everything it's. I'm just so overseeing him I mean he looks cool.
Speaker 2:I'm more interested to see what the other aliens look like. Yeah, like peak, peakly, whatever it is. The little girl plays Lilo. She looks very cute Like Lilo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like watching her little interview. She seems very adorable, yeah.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of Disney movies coming out next year. I mean, I'm more interested in Captain America 4, Fantastic 4. I can't remember what other Marvels.
Speaker 1:Who's your favorite? Fantastic four person oh, that's tough, probably richards I like the thing why, it's just cool I guess, he just seems ashy all the time and hard like how do you like? Shower remember, like um, when he gets out the shower in the one movie and he's all steamy, I was like what did you wash? Like you're hard all the time, like you're just, you're rocked. I totally remember a scene where he's all steamy. I was like what did you wash? Like you're hard all the time You're just you're rocked.
Speaker 2:I don't even remember a scene where he's getting out of the shower. I don't know what you're talking about You're watching the wrong movies.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure there was a scene where it was like it was in the shower or something.
Speaker 2:He came out with a towel around his waist. You movie that I watch all right. Well, thank you, tubby, for coming out back on this podcast no problem, and then thank you for my niece for letting you sneak away for an hour she got no choice, I just leave her yeah, thank you for listening. Uh, christmas episode is coming up pretty soon. I have that recorded. It is very good uh, with the big big gas time huge, huge. They bring the boom um, and merry christmas, glenn, have it.
Speaker 2:Thanks, guys stay tuned next week, we'll be saving you. Bye.
