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Bob Dylan and Loretta Lynn
The episode explores the stories of Bob Dylan and Loretta Lynn, diving into their impactful biopics and the intricacies of their musical journeys. Listeners gain insights into their relationships in the music industry, the transformation of folk music, and a broader perspective on the challenges faced by artists.
• Discussion of "A Complete Unknown" and Bob Dylan's life
• Analysis of character relationships, particularly with Joan Baez
• Exploration of cultural impact and musical transition
• Introduction to Loretta Lynn and "Coal Miner's Daughter"
• Examination of Lynn's personal life and career milestones
• Comparison of storytelling in the two films
• Thoughts on the future of music biopics
• Conclusion emphasizing the importance of authentic artist narratives
excuse me, is anybody sitting here? Sorry, this is taken. Sorry, this is like the first official review of 2025 too is it. It is the first official, even though it's a movie that came out 2024. Did you go see this on christmas day?
Speaker 3:no, no, no went. When did I go Last Sunday?
Speaker 1:Last Sunday.
Speaker 3:Okay, the New Year is messing me up because it felt like a Sunday too. So yeah, Sunday I saw it.
Speaker 1:I wanted to talk to you about that too, because I did go on a Sunday as well. For those listening, we're talking about A Complete Unknown. I went there at maybe like a one o'clock show. It was a double feature. I went to see Nosferatu and then right after it was a complete unknown. How was that? One. Nosferatu was fucking sick, was it Damn? I loved it. It's worth seeing, definitely especially people who are into Dracula and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Did you see Nicholas Holt's movie Renfield? No, I think that's what it's called. Uh-uh, but really. But this one's more uh. That one's a comedy movie. This one's like creepy as shit oh I want to see it I like creepy. It's fucking amazing. I loved it a lot. Nicholas holt is amazing in there. The whole cast is great in there. That one was like a 10 30 showing and it's like, okay, I'm gonna be the only one in there.
Speaker 1:That boo, that bitch was packed really so bizarre is at 12 40 and then after that was 1, 1, 30, I, I think for the complete unknown.
Speaker 3:You know I waited 20 minutes to get my popcorn. This is why I always go early on a weekend. Yeah, 20 minutes. And I looked over and I was, like they do mobile orders. I am so out of it with, like what they do now at movie theaters.
Speaker 1:So I have the AMC app. And like an hour before you go in there it'll remind you like, hey, do you want to do a mobile pickup? I never do it, just because, like Well, I'm still using my no one's checking that.
Speaker 3:I'm still using my gift card that you gave me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that.
Speaker 3:I won on this podcast, so I was using Fandango, yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3:So it does not alert you, but I do have the cinema app.
Speaker 1:I always Speaking of which, by the time this comes out, cinemark I think it's the 18th, if I'm not mistaken is doing its National Popcorn Day. 18th or 19th is National Popcorn Bucket Day. You can bring any kind of popcorn bucket in there and they'll fill it up for five bucks. That's Cinemark's.
Speaker 3:You still got to pay, though, come on, yeah, popcorn Day should be free.
Speaker 1:It's five bucks.
Speaker 3:I'll compare it to like 12 bucks. Yeah, I guess you're right, I always get a small so mine's only like six bucks um, but you get the. You get the fancy buckets almost every time you go. I feel like or like no, I'm selected with that, yeah, limited.
Speaker 1:Some of them are ugly as shit. Some of them are cool but you give them away. I got the wonka hat I know I have the sonic one right there by your feet that I'm going to give away pretty soon wait, did you see the red one popcorn bucket one I one?
Speaker 3:I don't think so. It was like the sleigh and I was looking at him like how the heck does popcorn go in this? It did not look like it should fit.
Speaker 1:Some of them are tricky. Yeah, like that Thor's hammer bucket up there. I don't know if you can see that one.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, so where does the popcorn go? The handle comes off.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you got to look up the red one.
Speaker 1:Some of them are like, if it's tricky, it's not even that cool then.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying. It's like not for popcorn, then Just put it as a figurine or something. Yeah, there's something I missed out.
Speaker 1:Like the Moana ones had pretty cool popcorn buckets this year, Gladiator or Mufasa was very cool. I don't know if you've seen that. I didn't see that one it. It lights up at the bottom. And when it lights up, you can see the Tree of Life or whatever it is and stuff like that in there.
Speaker 3:Oh, I would like that one then. Yeah, it's pretty sick.
Speaker 1:But thank you for everyone listening. It's Hannah Vicalia coming back on. Hey, the last time you came on was for Wonka.
Speaker 3:Yeah, wonka, that was 2023.
Speaker 1:You haven't been on the whole 2024. Wait, I did Barbie barbie, that was 2023. That was 2023. I wasn't on for 24, not that I can remember. But you know I'm excited you come on for this one because I'm going to be talking about complete unknown another timothy chamulay movie yeah have you seen wanka again since we talked about it?
Speaker 3:yeah, actually I watched it at home when it came out yeah yeah, I still like it it's good.
Speaker 1:A lot of people kind of shit on it. One of the biggest reasons because like why, why the fuck is Timothy Chamolet singing Well? He fucking has a movie where he's just singing it now.
Speaker 3:Exactly, he's actually pretty damn good at it.
Speaker 1:So Wonka was great. It's already greenlit for a sequel in the works. I know no details really come out. When it's going to come out, I'm excited for it. I'll have you back on for that one, but a complete unknown. It's a true story, a biopic about Bob Dylan and I want to get this is one of my pet peeves about it.
Speaker 1:It's not really a biopic about his life, it's about a specific time in his life from his transition from acoustic, acoustic to guitar, electric guitar and it changes, changes the style of his music in general yeah, and it helps influence a lot of people in the music industry. Yeah yeah, and then for our second movie of the podcast, I had you pick a throwback and you picked like the best throwback you could have picked with this one I love this movie as a kid, so much me and my mom watched it all the time.
Speaker 3:My grandma lived right down the road from where this is based in really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, uh, coleman, his daughter, her original home yeah it well, my grandma lived a lot.
Speaker 3:She's originally from alabama but then she moved to tennessee.
Speaker 1:But yeah, coal miner's daughter coal miner's daughter, the loretta lynn story. I love it, realize after watching this. Okay, I do know of her, but this one definitely taught me a lot more of her. It's another one. It's not really about her music career, more of a personal life, but we'll get into that towards the end. Yeah, but 2023, or 2024, did you go to a lot of movies there? Mm-mm, not really, not a whole lot.
Speaker 3:Every time you ask me that I really only go to the movies if my mom really wants to see something or if you ask me to be on the podcast.
Speaker 1:Or I just wait until it comes out. Yeah, on top of that, you're also married and have friends.
Speaker 3:So you're also married and have friends. So, like I, had all the time in the world to go to the movies, my friends still like to go to the movies but yeah, in the summer it's hard, we're always busy, we're traveling, and so what's some of the big trips you took in? 2024? Oh, let's see, hold on. I'm thinking what did I do? Oh, I went to arizona, where I'm from, actually to visit my family and do spring training there's actually oh, that's really sick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's actually a lot of cool theaters in arizona that I would love to go to.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, the harkins movie theaters are the best they have. Like it's like you're in a cafeteria at school but it's a popcorn line and candy line and then at the end you pay.
Speaker 3:It's like the perfect setup because you're in and out that is very cool in and out, but then, yeah, so after, so, after we did Arizona and spring training, because my brother and my husband are both Cubs fans, so of course we went there for that we flew with my brother back to where he lives in Austin, texas, and hung out there for a week, which four days after being with my brother, I'm like burnt out and over it. I mean I feel like a lot of people could relate to that. Definitely, especially, the holidays are just over, out and over it.
Speaker 1:yeah, I mean I feel like a lot of people could relate to that, definitely, especially. The holidays are just over. Yeah, um, one thing I I always want to do, but I can't justify doing, is go to the movie theaters on vacation no, I would for a harkins, though in arizona yeah, like for a cool movie theater experience, like that I would do it. But like just to watch any plain boring movie, I can't justify because, like I'm on vacation, I could do this at home anything else yeah yeah, me and fernando are going to orlando pretty soon and, um, we're gonna try to.
Speaker 1:I think I'm gonna try to hit up that. Um, universal boardwalk. I don't know if you've seen that. Do you have a movie theater in there?
Speaker 3:yeah, actually I did but they're like stupid expensive I really, I really wanted to go to disney this year Universal but me and my friend Teresa are going to convince our husbands to still do it in October.
Speaker 1:You two can just go.
Speaker 3:That's what I said. I'm like, screw that yeah. Her and I will just get a hotel, then We'll be bougie with it. That'd be sick. Don't got to pay for two extra people.
Speaker 1:That's what me and Fernando are doing. I want to go to Universal God damn it, I'm going to Universal towards November. Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited because they got the new Harry Potter land. I want to say they're building a Mario Kart land, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3:I heard that too.
Speaker 1:I heard that too, but I don't know if those rumors are just going to be starting in 2025.
Speaker 3:Do you have a wand already, like a Harry Potter?
Speaker 1:So I went once and I like the Harry Potter movies I'm not, some people are and I really did want to buy a wand, because they have a lot of cool things you could do with a wand there. Yeah, like make something move in the window I want one, I want to pick. But then I thought about I was like I would have been on the plane ride home holding this shit. I was like why the fuck did I get this?
Speaker 3:I I'm gonna put it up I love harry potter.
Speaker 1:I don't even care but then, like you go to the airport, this is the same exact fucking wands there for a, it doesn't matter yeah, it's all about doing the experience when you're there I looked it up on amazon.
Speaker 3:It's significantly cheaper on amazon too yeah, but I want to like have the experience of going there and it's the same thing looking around and having them. Why, yeah, pick you.
Speaker 1:And well, it's the same thing like star wars too, like I really would love to make my own like a lightsaber there. I don't, I'm not. I don't like star wars brothers really love Star Wars. It was like 300 bucks or more.
Speaker 3:Yeah, true, I do want to get my brother a souvenir Both my brothers a souvenir for Star Wars, though, and I do know you can just tell your brother to go with you. Dude, one has like four kids okay.
Speaker 1:That's like the perfect reason to go, then, well true. His kids are like almost my age too. And then the other brother lives in texas. He ain't gonna go to that. Texas is a plan place I'm planning on going to in september for, um, oh, why this? I'm not 100 sure because it's for a movie festival, for a fantastic austin I want to say, but I'm 100 sure okay, go look that up.
Speaker 3:Austin is awesome. That's where my brother lives that's pretty sick.
Speaker 1:I do want to go to texas, do, but I also don't want to go to texas like. I just want to go, like I would never live there, though if my brother's watching this.
Speaker 3:I'm not ever moving there. I don't know if I'm sure if I go there I would fall in love with it, but I wouldn't move to austin, just to austin, or you've been other places um san antonio.
Speaker 1:I've been to, I've been to hou family, so we would take a long road trip but I really want to go with someone, with someone who's from texas too, to show me around too. Yeah, I don't want to do touristy shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean my brothers live there now for seven years and he only knows like the austin area and I want more of you know, I want western texas, I don't want austin is kind of turning into like a la like, that kind of like like someone like oh, my dream wedding is like a tech, like a ranch wedding, and this is like open land and, like you know, nice setup and everything like that yeah, it costs a lot of money, though does it really remember my first wedding?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah, I've been married twice, whatever, but my first wedding was at a farm. It was kind of like a ranch, but here in indiana all open, but you don't think it'll be cheaper in texas, though fuck no, there's more land you still gotta pay for everything to get there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I guess, I knew the people. I didn't have to pay the people on the property. I had to pay for everything to get their food, tables, chairs, all that crap. It's a lot, that's true. Um, bob dylan, talk about bob dylan a little bit, I mean.
Speaker 1:It's a lot, that's true. Bob Dylan Talk about Bob Dylan a little bit. I mean, obviously he's a big star, big influence on music still to this day, and he's still alive, great hair. Great hair.
Speaker 3:Yeah, kind of reminds me of my husband's hair, even though he just chopped it all off.
Speaker 1:Oh really he did. Yeah, he did a sick mullet kind of thing, going too going to no, he just had long curly hair yeah, he always just pushed it back in the hat.
Speaker 3:I'm jealous of that well, now it's a fade, it's a little bit longer on top, maybe like an inch and a half.
Speaker 1:Then it's a fade why I shouldn't get fades.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, it looks great, but it just threw me off the first day.
Speaker 1:He didn't even tell me until I got home did you know about this movie before I asked you to come on?
Speaker 3:yeah yeah, oh yeah, my mom is a huge music fan. My parents grew up in the 60s and 70s, so they have been influenced by music.
Speaker 1:Did they ever go see Bob Dylan?
Speaker 3:Did they ever Not? My mom, I don't know about my dad Probably not. He was more into different kinds of music back then.
Speaker 1:What were the coolest people they've seen that you know of?
Speaker 3:My dad has seen the Beatles. Really. Yeah, my mom has seen everyone but George Harrison. Which fun fact that's mine and my mom's favorite Beatle is George Harrison. Well, I guess she loves Ringo Starr too.
Speaker 1:You know they're making another biopic George Harrison no, the whole Beatles. There's so many of those. They just. You know they're making another biopic George Harrison no, the whole Beatles. There's so many of those, they just casted them.
Speaker 3:Did you ever watch the one on Disney that they came out with?
Speaker 1:No, it wasn't on my list, but that's like a documentary right.
Speaker 3:It was their actual film too, oh really so it was the actual Beatles being filmed, yeah it was really good. My mom has an entire room just full of Beatles memorabilia and stuff. But I mean I've even seen Ringo Starr.
Speaker 1:That was one of my first concerts, I feel like Ringo Starr would be as exciting as it would be to see Ringo back. Then I was like, eh, you're cool.
Speaker 3:But oh, and I think my dad's best friend went to Woodstock, I'm pretty sure. So that's pretty cool. I mean to see Janis Joplin, jimi Hendrix, I mean, yeah, my dad saw the Grateful Dead with Jerry Garcia now, I mean, I've seen Dead and Company with John Mayer. I want to see Grateful Dead with Jerry Garcia.
Speaker 1:That's what I remember growing up listening but I do hear John Mayer is pretty sick with them oh, it's so good.
Speaker 3:I saw him in 2016 at Wrigley.
Speaker 1:Bob Dylan is one of those artists is like I know of him. I couldn't list a single song about him, but then after watching this movie, like oh, like he does sing that song. I forgot about it oh yeah, there's also a surprise cameo this movie like johnny. It's not surprised, but johnny cash's and this was pretty sick yeah, um joan joan, I didn't really realize she was gonna have a big part in this movie that she did well, it was the way that you know.
Speaker 3:Bob treated her just to kind of. To me it's kind of like the way he treated her was just to get up in the music industry and once he was popular he just like blocked her. Yeah, like was kind of just like a dick.
Speaker 1:I mean, he owns up to being a dick, but like yeah just kind of suck for her I even so I really don't know anything about his personal life or like how he is in real life. I've never seen any interviews with them, so this is like my very first introduction of them, as in most people too yeah, so before we get into them, unless you have older parents like me my mom knows, when I was watching loretta lynn, my mom like oh, I seen that movie when I was little.
Speaker 1:Oh, love your mom. Then this movie was written and directed by James Mangold. In 1961, an unknown 19-year-old, bob Dylan, arrives in New York City with his guitar and forges relationship with music icons on his meteorotic rise in a groundbreaking performance that reverberates worldwide. I hate when they fucking use these big-ass words.
Speaker 3:Try to say it five times fast.
Speaker 1:As I said, it's not really his whole life story. It's more specific time in his life, but it doesn't open up with him like 19-year-olds coming to New York City to look for his favorite folk singer at the time. I can't remember his name, do you? Oh crap, like 19-year-olds coming to New York City to look for his favorite folk singer at the time I can't remember his name, do you?
Speaker 3:Oh crap, crap, crap. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:It's okay.
Speaker 3:Did he have a stroke or something?
Speaker 1:He did have a stroke, and that's why he was in the hospital.
Speaker 3:Oh, what was his name?
Speaker 1:This movie takes, I'll say, within five years, like the whole movie is within five years, like the whole movie's within five years. Yeah. Okay, we're going to have a good conversation, because I did not like this movie.
Speaker 3:I liked it. I thought, he portrayed Bob Dylan very well.
Speaker 1:And maybe just because I don't know Bob Dylan, but he played this guy so fucking boring. I thought he was boring as shit the whole time and I get it.
Speaker 1:He's trying to nail, uh, nail his accent, his, uh, midwestern accent but it's his mannerisms too yeah, and one of the things like one I hate the way he sounded, but two like okay, like, listen to my podcast, like I do talk, like when you talk so fast, like it's like all mushed into one I do that 100 too, so I'll give him that. But like one scene he's like hey kid, what's your name? I was like what the fuck are we doing here?
Speaker 3:like what was that okay that was like maybe one line out of the whole movie that he may have fucked up a little bit no, the whole movie was like that, a whole.
Speaker 1:It was so monotone too, like you never saw any expression on this guy's face, that's how, or in his voice.
Speaker 3:I'm sure it is probably why I don't like bob dylan, then you know maybe I mean I like all kinds of music, like I used to go to festivals even for folk music, like I love banjos, harmonicas, all of that. I love every type of music.
Speaker 1:So I I enjoy listening to bob dylan and I did in high school folk music, folk music is cool, but I think I would only like it in live performances. Like I can't see me turning this on the radio or anything like that, just like bopping to it when you're cleaning the house, it's nice.
Speaker 3:I mean doing some yard work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess that's true I don't know you, just to be in the right mood. Well, I personally, I have to be in the right mood for folk music and, like I said, I only think I like it.
Speaker 3:Listen to listen to billy strings. I think you might like it I mean it's not folk. It's kind of like bluegrass, it's like a mix it's really good, and also post malone plays with him as well oh yeah, yeah, I've seen a clip of that.
Speaker 1:Then, billy, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did see that video so good a post malone.
Speaker 3:I'm obsessed with post malone, oh, and his country genre and his country music and so can john mayer, and I feel like bob dylan kind of showed that you can do different genres as well, that's like the premise I feel like of this movie and also like um, I feel like post malone's new country album.
Speaker 1:I can see somewhat of loretta lynn's have an influence on that too yeah for some of the songs so good, I love loretta anyways um, going back to about dylan, how do you feel about his accent, though? Like we'll go on like piece by piece in this whole thing it was pretty good.
Speaker 3:But yeah, you're right, there were a couple of lines in there. I was like like a cringe moment yeah of him like trying to do it, but for the most part I thought he did it very well for I mean timothy shamley.
Speaker 1:I've been watching a couple interviews with him about this movie and his dedication to portraying him. He's been working on this for two years plus and just learning about him and learning his mannerism. He's developed a personal connection and one of the things that stood out to me was like he was asked, like now that the movie's over, like how have you been dealing with the acceptance of, like letting that character go? And he's like it's heartbreaking for him, like he's I could tell in his voice and his uh answer like he doesn't. He doesn't want to sound cheesy, but like that meant the world to me and it was a great opportunity. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, and I could definitely tell his performance in this movie was researched and rehearsed and very thought out. Um, I'm not blaming timothy shemley at all for the reason I didn't like this movie. I mean, yeah, I just complain about his voice, but he does transform into somebody new. This is not the same guy from Dune.
Speaker 3:From Wonka From.
Speaker 1:Wonka. He does a great job in this movie.
Speaker 3:He really does.
Speaker 1:And his voice for music itself. We already talked about how people don't like him in Wonka for his singing. I liked it. I was listening to the soundtrack the other day. I won't. Yeah, no, he comes out with this one. I mean, I'm not saying it's bad, it's, it's not bad at all wait, have you listened to any bob dylan? Yeah, before this movie came out, I realized I had like two songs on my phone, my playlist already okay, so then did you listen to like bob dylan sing and then timothy sing the same song?
Speaker 1:the one I'm comparing it to is um, was it a girl in the country road?
Speaker 3:uh-huh, is that? Yeah, they don't sound anything like that. No, I don't think so I think he tried his best but also sound good with it, because bob dylan kind of like sings like his normal voice it's not even like real singing yes but I like that, I don't know. Janice joplin was the same way. She was just like graspy and like yeah.
Speaker 1:But also, like Timothee Chalamet isn't a singer, though, so I was like that's why I was like you did pretty good for it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Exactly? Did you download the soundtrack or go back and listen to any of the songs? Me neither.
Speaker 3:I did it for the Barbie movie and then I deleted it after like a week. Barbie movie it just wasn't my vibe, no, but my sister-in-law did a Barbie baby shower, so I had it on there for that and stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but It'd be pretty awkward if it was a boy, but yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, no, we knew it was a girl by then, which her name is Mila.
Speaker 1:Nice. If Timothee Chalamet did star in this movie, do you think it would have been widely received as it has been? I'm not saying widely received, no one's really talking about this movie, really.
Speaker 3:I know, and that's crazy to me.
Speaker 1:It kind of is. It came out on Christmas too.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know, maybe the only reason.
Speaker 3:I was excited to see this movie was because of timothy chamelé. Really yeah, mine was because I love any movie about musicians I love a good biopic. Don't get me wrong um, I think, no matter what, I think it might be up for like an award of some sort, not, I think it is a couple uh awards for austria, austria coming out pretty soon Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I think Wicked's going to take the place in everything this year.
Speaker 3:I didn't even see Wicked yet and I really wanted to. It's good, I'm just going to rent it on my TV, it should be coming out pretty soon. I feel like it is for rent, at least on TV, For like $20.
Speaker 1:Yeah, give it like another month and then it'll come out. But yeah, and then I'll come out. Um, but yeah, this one definitely won some awards.
Speaker 2:I also hated the title of this movie a complete unknown one.
Speaker 1:It is a lyric from one of his songs, but it makes it sound like he struggled to get his name out there, which this movie did not show at all, like to me not knowing who, he was kind of being like a little man whore to get out there I guess, but like I was not even a struggle in this movie for him, so I was like you couldn't whore to get out there, I guess, but like I was not even a struggle in this movie for him, so I was like you couldn't.
Speaker 1:I talked to a podcast host, kyle kai kai clifford, about this and he was like yeah, I wish I would have called it like um, something was a rolling stone. Like not papa was rolling stone, but like something was a rolling stone. That would have been more of a fucking good movie. Our title I should say um, they showcase relationships in this movie. I hated that, not that they showed it, but like they didn't emphasize in it because of me. I was like but that's how.
Speaker 3:What is the?
Speaker 1:attraction here like they're. Like he completely seemed like he was using her. I'm sure he was oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, like his first girlfriend, sylvia, or whatever, she's on the cover of his first album like I think that's why they showed her in there and she kind of stuck around, but then she left him because she saw who he really was. He was hooking up with joan. Just get his name out there yeah, you know like he's kind of a little bit of a man whore.
Speaker 1:They had to show that part you see in bohemian rhapsody, though right yeah, I liked how they portrayed his and um mary's relationship freddie mercury and mary's relationship that, like he's showing me the importance of her in his life and this one he makes it seem like she's important in life because he comes she does come back up towards the end of the movie and she leaves again, but I was like he's gay you think bob dylan's gay? No, freddie mercury, I'm talking about bob dylan now oh I'm sorry, I was like.
Speaker 1:Well, you said yeah, yeah, sorry wait what? Yeah, he's gay yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm talking about the importance of um sylvie in his life. He met her like a random, like showing, and then they started dating. They move in together like I don't think moving together.
Speaker 3:Okay, that's right well, and then, like he gets famous, so he pushes her away pretty much, and then he fights with joan or whatever, and then he's sad about something.
Speaker 1:He runs right back to sylvie and I'm glad that she finally just stopped seeing him yeah, and they make it seem like bob dylan got famous overnight in this movie too no, it took about a year right they didn't show that in this movie, so I'm saying they did the timeline up there right I want to see his first interaction. Yeah, they do show him getting bum-rushed by a bunch of fans, I guess.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because when he meets his idol in the hospital and plays for him and stuff, it flashes. I think like six months or something.
Speaker 1:It does, I know so like he was working with the other guy that plays the banjo Played by, so like he was working with the other guy that plays the banjo, edward Norton, I was surprised to see him in this movie.
Speaker 3:Yeah, pete Sager, yeah, yeah Sager. But I don't know. It shows that and then it jumps. So it shows that he was working with him doing all those little concerts in those halls, how he met Joan the one time.
Speaker 1:But even when he starts writing like Johnny Cash is like well, I guess I'm famous now. I was like okay, I guess I gotta believe you on that. I wish there were some more concerts or something like that, that he went to man Walk the Line.
Speaker 3:That movie is good too. It's about Johnny Cash so good, not this one.
Speaker 1:Many, many, portrayals of johnny cash. Yes, this one is very good. Let me see who plays them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, who does play? He's in something else that I've seen recently, but I do like if you ever listen to the bob dylan and johnny cash song, it's pretty good yeah, oh, that's on my playlist, though. Uh, old country road no no, what the fuck I was just listening to it, honestly david allen bash no, that's not him, sorry.
Speaker 1:Anyways, with um johnny cash it is. I'll just skip that. He's great in his movie, though, especially how he plays a drunk too in some of the scenes. I think that was hilarious, um, kind of made me want to go back and watch walk the line again, just because like I want to see, like I can't remember if there's any bob dylan references in there or not yeah, I don't remember either, but I like that I like the idea of celebrities like like in rocket man.
Speaker 1:I read originally um freddie mercury was gonna be a cameo in there, like them interacting with the same actor playing.
Speaker 3:I was like that would have been sick yeah, they didn't want to.
Speaker 1:I forgot why they didn't do it, but I was like I that was a missed opportunity. Yeah, same thing with this. Like you had johnny cash, like it would have been cool, like if it was the actor from walk the line.
Speaker 3:You know it came on at the same time that would have been sick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because that does happen more than often than not. Like celebrities do interact with each other. Uh, michael jackson has a biopic coming up pretty soon. I'm very excited for boys.
Speaker 3:The men has one coming out I want them to do one on, like janice chaplin after watching loretta lynn's now I was like I would like to see dolly parton oh yeah, yeah, hers would be crazy yeah oh, coat of many colors, or whatever that song is called. I love that song, sorry um love dolly.
Speaker 1:I've heard my notes. I learned almost nothing about this man's life. You don't know anything about this guy's past. He only that you know that he refuses to talk about it yeah, he has a lot of kids does he?
Speaker 3:yeah, he's still alive, he's like 80 something or whatever, and he has like 35 freaking albums and he's had two wives and a bunch of kids or something interesting, I would, and his hair still looks the same, just a little like wispier wispier like thinner, I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it still looks the freaking same I feel like this movie has zero character development too. Would. The guy you see at the end of the movie is the same exact guy you see in the beginning of the movie. Uh, really love the scenes with johnny cash. Al cooper makes the surprise cameo in this movie. I did not know that he crossed paths at all, but that's like how, I guess, al cooper started. Al cooper started um didn't even play the guitar like he wanted to, he played keys yeah which he killed it at that was.
Speaker 1:I was almost so pissed with that song when they were recording the studio and they started playing and it sounded awesome and they just cut it off like that. I was like what the fuck was that?
Speaker 3:yeah but it was a finale it was.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that going into though yeah and my biggest problem with this. I talk about bohemian rhapsody. Even ellen john movie ended with a not ended, but it was leading up to like a big performance. Same thing with um, bohemian rhapsody. It was uh, live aids. This one up like it's a folk state fair. I was like this is boring, like it's not even a big concert that's how bob dylan was started, though I know but yeah, yeah and it's a big deal.
Speaker 1:I'll get it widespread. We'll talk about that in a second. But like the whole thing is like, if you're that big of a star, I was like I want to give a shit what the state fair thinks of me, you know but that's how you got famous.
Speaker 3:Back then there wasn't like big music or halls and stuff like that. Well, there was, but like I don't know it wasn't as big as today with like Taylor Swift and Folk music is.
Speaker 1:I don't want to offend you, but I think it's dying, If not close to dead. No, it's not. Yeah, and that's the whole point of this movie. No, it's definitely not.
Speaker 2:It's not dying, yeah and that's the whole point of the end of this movie.
Speaker 3:It's not dying. I promise you it's gonna be around forever.
Speaker 1:There's weirdos like me out there and I like the progression with him and bob dylan and um seger's relationship in this movie. He does start out as like a friend, slash mentor a little bit. He in fact he was the one who brought him on stage for the first time, like an open mic, he introduced him. That's how we met joan and he killed, he captivated everyone right there and and um he captivated Joan.
Speaker 1:He got her interest, and then his manager. I can't remember his name, but he's a famous actor. He played in um fantastic beast.
Speaker 3:I know him from balls of fury Um he was the funniest part of this whole movie, he's always a funny character.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he goes up to someone like seven in the morning. I love that. When he goes with someone like you, like this kid like yeah, he's my client, it's like he never met this guy uh-huh, he just, you know, claimed him yeah yeah, so he gets performance, he gets a little album going, he writes music.
Speaker 1:I would like to see more of his writing process, like where his influences come from, because some girls ask him several times about this whole movie, like who he's thinking about, when he never says, but you always see him up in the middle of night writing. He's like what are you thinking of? Like what's going on? I want to get more inside his head about that low-key, schizophrenic. No, I'm just kidding. You know there's like so many movies about bob dylan and he was also an actor and movie writer too oh shit, I didn't know that yeah, I looked up like I was looking at bob dylan movies and I've seen he has some writing credits.
Speaker 1:He started I don't know if he started and he was in some movies okay, some movies loosely based about him. You know there's a lot of movies, but this is the only one I really heard of him and it's because of timothy chamelay probably.
Speaker 3:Then, yeah, to go back to that original question, probably wouldn't have done very well if it wasn't timothy I 100 believe that that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if it was.
Speaker 3:I now agree with you A lesser known actor.
Speaker 1:I talked about my last episode. Like this is a year. I personally felt that a lot of Hollywood was turning to this younger actor like Timothy Chamblee Wait.
Speaker 3:What was a big movie that came out in 2024? Like what were some of them that came out?
Speaker 1:2024. Dune Challengers Joker. 2.
Speaker 3:challengers uh joker 2 deadpool.
Speaker 1:Oh, I didn't see joker 2. Was it good? A lot of people didn't like it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, flopped pretty hard actually, I really like uh. Now what's his name? Joaquin phoenix. I think he is so creepy dude.
Speaker 1:I just did a 2024 recap last episode and um he was my most disappointed actor really well.
Speaker 3:I haven't seen the new joker or anything.
Speaker 1:I like joaquin phoenix a lot of things within the past two years, I felt like he flopped a lot oh, because he had like bo was afraid and napoleon sucked um, it sucks oh yeah, napoleon was rough to watch I watched that at home and I'm like I'm gonna fall.
Speaker 1:I had to turn it off I was like his past four or five movies have like just knocked in it. He's a good actor. I like him a lot. I love him, joker. I even talked about my last episode, like I reviewed brother bear not too long ago, and do you know? He's the voice of the? The brother bear in that movie like the main character.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I did not know that yeah, I was just watching I was like this guy sounds hella familiar. And then I looked it up and I was like dude, now I'm gonna watch that. It's good, I gotta hear it yeah, yeah, um, I'm looking at the notes for the next movie, so you go to the performance. I want to talk about his relationship with Seger a lot more Because, like I said, he was a mentor with him. He brought him on stage, he was great with him.
Speaker 3:He started to be an asshole to him, though.
Speaker 1:Well, this happens with a lot. Especially, he was young in this movie. He was like 18 when we started said I do like that at the very, very end of the movie. He was still so nice to him yeah, still cared yeah like, but I mean he felt bad for like leaving folk almost yeah, I mean, folk is important to this guy too, and it was important about dylan too.
Speaker 3:But seeker's wife was og and great movie or a great woman yeah great woman, she I aspire to be tillin, but it's only natural.
Speaker 1:Like music evolves and it's changing and your taste changes, everything like that, you especially if you're known for doing just folk music you're gonna want to branch out a little bit she helped seeger, see that she stopped him and said no, like this is actually good after he's about to go maniac with the fucking ass, literally but that's why I expired to be like this woman.
Speaker 3:She calmed him down like just by, like a look were you surprised that she was asian?
Speaker 1:no I thought it was like why john? Lennon and yoko and yeah, I thought of yoko the first time I saw her.
Speaker 3:I was like this bitch is gonna break out the band asians are hot man, they are hot, I don't know, you gotta be tall um anyways, go, like you see the progression.
Speaker 1:Like I said, this is about him transitioning from acoustic to electric guitar when she starts using it, and I liked how they showed what his influence was like. One of his influences, like um seager had a talk show, like a public radio show, and he had this soul singer on there.
Speaker 3:Drinking that schnapps, schnapps, peppermint schnapps.
Speaker 1:And that really showed like Bob Dylan's like oh, he was late, so they moved to this guy and the guy was like about to be shitty with Bob Dylan. He's like, hey, you trying to take my spot, like no, I'm just interested in what you're playing. And I like that scene a lot because it shows that he's willing to learn, yeah, and he's willing to change and he's admiring music.
Speaker 3:And he showed up. Seeger literally thought he bailed on him. Yeah, and he still ended up there.
Speaker 1:I like that too.
Speaker 3:Like I love that moment and how he just sat down. He was just like you know. He's like, oh, it's like touching your woman, touching your car, you know, yeah, like I love it.
Speaker 1:Just show how much they love music yeah, especially with the three of them just jamming right there too all three different kinds of music too. I kind of wanted to go on youtube to see if I can find that scene like actual.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, we should yeah we're done.
Speaker 1:We're gonna be here watching youtube um, but then from that you know, it seems I'm going back from his relationship with joan and how he gave her one of his first songs that he wrote. Do you think he sung that song first, how different his career would be, or do you think it would not been changed at all?
Speaker 3:no, because I think everybody knows that he wrote it, that it was his song.
Speaker 1:I think it would have changed joan's career like she probably would have gone out the window like years. She was already famous, though I know that, but like I love her voice I think she did that because she knows bob dylan was gonna outshine him one day outshine her yeah on her. Yeah, yeah, but their relationship was going back and forth was pretty cool, um, and then he gives that front I can't remember his name where he runs him in the elevator, oh, and they were in the irish bar yeah, dude, I love irish music that guy seemed like he was gonna be.
Speaker 1:I don't know who he was, I can't remember just a guitarist. Okay, I thought it was gonna be like he just randomly popped in like ran into him I like to see, I wish that relationship was a little bit more, because he became a close friend of his and stuff like that well wait, didn't he become part of his band? He, I don't know about the band, but like a roadie at least, or manager maybe. See, you don't even know about that. Like I wish it was a.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I wish they would have emphasized more on, like the characters that were in his band there at the end, like who they were. Like, yeah, al Cooper, we heard that, but like who were the other ones again, I don't remember.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they could have. I think he was selective too on who he picked. Yeah, so we're like why'd you pick these guys, um man. And then his scenes with him. First of all, writing letters to um johnny cash was very cool and he reads some of the letters and it was very touching and it was very cool. And then the fact that they actually showed him and they showed the real him too, not like trying to glamorize him, like now he's drunk and he hit a few cars with his car.
Speaker 1:It was that's a funny scene oh man um, and I kind of thought they were going to do a duet in this movie.
Speaker 3:That would have been sick that duet with them they should have probably 10 more minutes to the movie. No, it's two over two hours long. It was very long.
Speaker 1:It wasn't as long as wicked which you didn't even see whatever so, um, I think this movie was longer than um nosferatu, if I'm not mistaken, and that's saying a lot um. But, like I said, this whole movie leads up to a state fair where, like they're, the committee, the state fair committee I keep calling state, for it's not a state fair, it's a folk fair. The committee was like pressuring bob dylan to not sing his new album, not sing some of his newer music he's doing, instead of go back to the folk music. And and he even said in the beginning of the movie, or when he was talking to Sylvie in the beginning I was like Sylvie's trying to comfort him, saying everyone wants these old music, folk music, but at one point that music was new.
Speaker 3:You got to change it up. You got to keep learning.
Speaker 1:And it definitely sat with him a little bit too. You've got to keep learning. And it definitely sat with him a little bit too, because he was like fuck this, I want to play with what I want. And that line with Johnny Cash, like I want to hear it, that was pretty sick and the whole dilemma, even getting trash thrown at you and you're still going just shows your dedication. And he'll play three songs specifically. I think he went fourth right.
Speaker 3:And he came right back out and did the final finale.
Speaker 1:Uh, folk song for everybody too, to make him happy yeah, and then that point, like everyone's all cheering and stuff like that I was like fuck you guys. You just threw a fucking watermelon at me, literally a shoe. Yeah, can you be, how mad can you be, like I'm gonna throw my shoe at that guy right, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1:after that. Overall, I mean I did like it. I would never watch this movie again probably. I told my mom about it because she wanted to watch it. I was like you can wait till this is streaming. Yeah, timothy shamley does great and if he does win awards I'm happy for him. Um, but overall I felt like this movie was kind of like underwhelming. It was boring a little bit. I wish it were so more deeper and cut into his life. But I mean, all this does is spark an interest in me to go out and learn more about.
Speaker 3:Bob Dylan now.
Speaker 1:So I mean.
Speaker 3:YouTube baby that's what. I did like this whole week.
Speaker 1:But not the whole time I was going to be picturing like damn. I wish Timothee Chalamet did that.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What would you give this movie a 1 out of 10?
Speaker 3:1 out of 10, wow, we rated it the same.
Speaker 1:I still liked it it was shot beautifully too, like, yes, in the 60s, like the stud, like you see new york back in a little bit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like the film of it the hospitals.
Speaker 1:You've seen a little bit too. Yeah, uh, just his fashion choices too. Like he was definitely ahead of his time for fashion with those sunglasses and I loved it, and his flannels and the hat and that bike on the scarf. I like his style did you see the premiere? This movie um timothy chamlet dressed up as bob dylan in his 2002 premiere, or something like the blonde bangs. And I heard it's pretty funny.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you gotta see it, it's pretty funny. Wait, I gotta look it up right now, since you just said it.
Speaker 1:It'll take me two seconds. You said 2002? No, no, no, it was a complete unknown. Timothee Chalamet oh yeah, bob Dylan Dressed like Unknown.
Speaker 3:Timothee. All right, there we go, Wait he doesn't have blonde bangs in this. Let me see. Oh wait, is this it? Was he wearing the scarf.
Speaker 1:Ew, that's so ugly little beanie on.
Speaker 3:Oh my god, it's so ugly.
Speaker 1:Yeah with those pencil, why that's what bob dylan wore the same thing horrible choice yeah, he did it to be funny well yeah, oh no, oh bob, no, oh, no no no uh, but I want to talk about.
Speaker 1:We're going to transition now to from one musician to another one, who's the first woman in country music? Uh, loretta lynn, a coal miner's daughter. I never even heard of this movie and, honestly, like I, I've recognized loretta lynn now, like I know her now, but I was never knew anything about her. So this is my first really introduction. Number two, and coal miner's daughter, came on 1980, directed by michael aptin, written by thomas rickman, also based off her biography. Uh, coal miner's daughter. This fictionalized life of a singer, loretta lynn, a girl who rose from outside beginnings to become a country music star in 1960s and 70s who played loretta lynn uh, sissy space bag the original carrie I did not know that 1960s and 70s.
Speaker 3:Who played Lorena Lynn Sissy Spacek, the original Carrie? I did not know that yeah, okay, sorry.
Speaker 1:I've watched older movies growing up. It's okay no-transcript over 30 years now and I never heard of it, never seen it I can't believe that and I watched this trailer for it's like I'm not gonna like this, like it seems like better be boring and it does start off slow but it shows once they get into like the city. I got pretty excited, laura I listen loretta.
Speaker 3:Sorry loretta lynn.
Speaker 1:I listened to a lot of her music since I watched this movie like, uh, my lunch breaks. It's good, it's very good, it's very country. I loved it a lot. It's very old school country too, and this is like just reminds you like old dusty bar kind of oh my god.
Speaker 3:And the time frame too, oh my gosh. What a time to be alive.
Speaker 1:So, like the first, half of this movie, I was more fascinated about the cultural differences, like how times have changed, than the actual movie itself. Also, Tommy Lee Jones stars in this movie as her husband too. It makes me think how old is this fucking guy, Because he's a grown-ass man in this movie.
Speaker 3:In the military.
Speaker 1:So he has to be in his 20s and this Laura Linza starts off with her as a 14-year-old. He ends up quote falling in love with her as 14 year old.
Speaker 3:He ends up, quote falling in love with her and then marrying her at 14 years old. Because of the pie that she accidentally mixed, uh, salt and sugar with, made her pie with salt.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he still loved her anyways this movie is not, like I said, about her career her career's in this but it's more about her personal life behind it. I kind of want to read her book now, actually oh, you should loretta lynn is a fascinating story. Um, it's just how it's called.
Speaker 3:She's a coal miner's daughter living in like was it tennessee and on a hill in butcher holler. Thank you.
Speaker 1:I know that's her song, um yeah it's tennessee 14 year old. Like with other brother, siblings, 2 parents one's a coal miner. I can't imagine me growing up being a coal miner.
Speaker 3:You know you're going in there, going to die well, and you know, every oldest kid takes care of all the other kids and that's how my mom's family was too.
Speaker 1:The girls were the oldest and took care of all of her other siblings and you do see hints of her liking music, because she does sing to her siblings and stuff like that. They do a great job. I don't know it's the same actor who plays the 14-year-old versus the woman later. They do a great job of making her seem young, both her and Tommy Lee Jones, especially Tommy Lee Jones when he's in his 20s. He's fit, he's kind of muscular. Versus the end he has a little bit of gut on him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they did a really good job with that, yeah, and perfect casting all around her.
Speaker 1:Daddo is a sweet man. Honest man Really cared, but it's like like you said, it's 14-year-old, they start dating and the biggest attraction like I guess, this guy is the only guy in town with a car drives his bitch everywhere, yeah he drives it from his house to the bathroom probably that's how often he drove it.
Speaker 1:So then he would come pick her up and stuff like that. And one day he picked, he goes to the house and the family's having a great time like dancing and singing and living, and then this guy just walks in. I was like this fucking crazy right. And then he she was like lord, I think we should get married. He's like we gotta ask my parents or my dad. So he dad, so he goes ask the dad. He's like go ask her mom, goes, ask the mom, go ask the dad. I was like I ain't playing this shit. Then she goes like well, just wait till they're in bed. He walks in their bedroom while they're like it's like, getting ready, you can never hit her. And two, you can never take her away from us.
Speaker 3:Like mean, don't travel too far and he does both Within like three days. He does both, but they're still married today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was surprised when she was still living today. Not only is she still living today, she's still making music.
Speaker 3:Wait, is her husband still alive. I know they were just still married. I know some of her kids have died. I know they were just still married.
Speaker 1:I know some of her kids have died. I know she's alive still.
Speaker 3:Oh really, she's alive. Yeah, some of her kids have died. That sucks, I know.
Speaker 1:Was she like five by the time this movie started? I don't know if she had any more.
Speaker 3:Five or six, I think she had more.
Speaker 1:I think she had six, because the last two were twins.
Speaker 3:I think she had 11 total to know because I watched this movie so much as a kid and I used to go to her property in tennessee yeah once a year does she still live there, yep, and she does a dirt bike race every year called loretta's. It's a huge, like you know. Motocross racing. It's very tennessee thing oh my gosh, it's so much fun.
Speaker 1:I used to go every year I was gonna say, yeah, but she's still going with the music. She just came out with an album like two years ago and she was friends with patsy klein. Another country, oh, I'm sure at this point, she's probably like friends with everybody at this point in country well, yeah patsy klein is the one who died in this movie, though right yeah, and the plane crashed in tennessee.
Speaker 3:That right by where my like literally by her my grandma lived in, between loretta's property and where patsy klein died. We're gonna get to that because I want to talk about that too, but um, yeah, I was surprised alone she was still making music anyways.
Speaker 1:So they get married, the wedding, like he doesn't even have a ring for her, but they go like that. That night she's so nervous and scared like she wears like her clothes underneath her nightgown it's cold too, or something. It was freezing I was cold just watching them I know so then, um, of course he's gonna want to have sex that night and he kind of grapes her in this movie.
Speaker 1:A little bit yeah, a little bit different time just from that alone, like, okay, this relationship is not gonna work out, but he, she stuck with him the entire time he did like influence her, though, to do the music I was gonna ask you that in your opinion, do you think this is a good relationship or toxic?
Speaker 3:at first you know it definitely is toxic, but it's a different time. It's a different era. That's how it was.
Speaker 1:You know, I love her father, though yeah I love her father great man, what a what a great honor of like writing a song called a coal miner's daughter writing a book about the end of this movie coming like. What a great honor to her dad.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, she loved her dad, you can definitely tell. And when he passed away and stuff and it crushed her, I don't know. I just know he was very proud of her. But yeah, I think in the whole grand scheme of things that Loretta and her husband, that was a good couple.
Speaker 1:It was a good match. It ended up coming out. It got a little bit rocky there towards the end of this movie.
Speaker 3:Yeah, first five years of any marriage. You know it's going to be, you know it's hard. You're living with someone. You're 14.
Speaker 1:You're trying to make dinner for a husband and satisfy a husband because it's a different time and she kind of put her in a place like no, you're the bitch now. She's like you're staying home with the kids. Yeah, literally Now I'm famous yeah I hate, though I do hate that he would never allow her to wear makeup I thought that too, but then I was looking at some of these old pictures of her pedophile she doesn't want to look more mature jealous.
Speaker 1:That's what it was it definitely was but I mean, like I was looking at some of these pictures, like how did she get away with some of these pictures then, you know, because she's obviously wearing makeup. I thought it was funny, like her first photo shoot yeah, she started wearing makeup when she was an adult.
Speaker 3:She said, screw this. When she was on the tour bus, like I'm gonna do what I want because of patsy klein. Her best friend said no, you don't need no man, pretty much do what you want.
Speaker 1:I mean she didn't really start like taking scenes seriously until her dad passed away. Um, but I was cracking up with our first photo shoot. It was like in their kitchen he takes a couple photos, like all right, put that sheet back in the bedroom yeah, it's so funny.
Speaker 3:Put it back on the bed yeah, yeah but yeah. So it's crazy like she taught herself how to play a guitar uh-huh, like just sitting with her dryer with that b, and she doesn't even know how to read music. She just liked the sound of how she was playing.
Speaker 1:Kind of the same with bob dylan taught himself the same with uh, nick, cannon and drumline yeah, oh, yeah, okay so, um, I mean, they didn't know anything about the music industry.
Speaker 1:They didn't even know they had a hit. Yeah, they just went around walking around to like not walking, driving around to uh radio station and radio station to try to get them play this um record and it ends up becoming hit, and they didn't even know. But it was our number 17 already by the time they find out. And it's's from there. It's like a roller coaster, like how to keep a ball rolling On the radio.
Speaker 3:She wants to play at the Grand Ole Opry.
Speaker 1:You know who also? Oh, we'll go to that in a second. You know who also did that was Madonna. That's how she got big.
Speaker 3:Grand Ole Opry.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, Going around to all. She got started um, gotta put yourself out there. So she goes out and plays this music and she we skipped over. Like her first performance at this bar. He kind of like signed her up, which is kind of sweet in a way, but also I was like she's so nervous. Yes, she's so grateful.
Speaker 3:She did it afterwards too yeah um he pushed her because he knew she had something. Yeah yeah, and he could see it. I like that he could see it. Sometimes I know my husband pushes me and I get mad, but he sees something you know and then I end up doing it. I'm like you were right yeah, I mean it does seem toxic in the first it does.
Speaker 1:I mean it's hard to say this movie, I mean mean it's also based on this too. Who knows how much of this really happened, you know. But Tommy Lee Jones is great in this movie. She does become famous. She starts singing a little bit. One of her first big performances was at the Grand Ole Opry Big accomplishment. She wasn't even 100% sure what that was when going in there. I know of it. I don't know the history of it too.
Speaker 3:Country.
Speaker 1:I know it's country, but that's all I know.
Speaker 3:If you, were a country singer and you got on the Grand Ole Opry. Even now it's like a big achievement.
Speaker 1:I remember Post Malone. Again, I hate to bring him back and keep saying his name and Elking. Post Malone just did it, last year too, paul malone singing it, and this is big didn't you just go to nashville?
Speaker 3:uh, I went to nashville last year, yeah you should have seen the grand old operas right at the end.
Speaker 1:I did see it strip, yeah, but like I, I don't know anything about it there's a plaque, I think, outside of the theater, that you can uh read. That tells you a little bit of the history um I'm pretty sure it's outside of it but this one, it looks like a small, looks small in the Theater, honestly.
Speaker 3:So do they knock it down or do they rebuild it?
Speaker 1:Oh, I don't know. Is the original still there? Do you think it's?
Speaker 3:the original. It has to be right, because I think it's like a wood stage and there's like I mean, now it's concrete, it looks like Really.
Speaker 1:I don't know maybe they did I would imagine so, because that only looks like it holds. Like what? 2,500 people at the most.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they probably definitely remodeled it, but they had to keep something original. There's so much history in it.
Speaker 1:I'm going to deep dive in that history of that, because I'm excited to learn about that YouTube later, baby, when I'm gleaning.
Speaker 1:But on stage. There was like 50 to 60 people on there, like some of them were we doing here. But loretta lynn had her opportunity to go sing on there and she crushed it and I love her supportive husband. He went across the street at the local bar to go, like trying to turn on the radio and he ended up getting a bar fight because, like that's when he realized like oh, she's the breadwinner in this family, so then she gets more famous, she ends up getting knocked up again. She does play with the idea of not keeping it, but if it wasn't for her friend, I thought she told her friend about this. She was like oh, I'm so happy for you, I'm going to throw you a baby shower and it's going to be a big thing. Next thing, she, she wait, loretta wakes up and here's on the radio that she died in a car or plane crash. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I thought, she was like oh cool.
Speaker 3:No, definitely not, Definitely not.
Speaker 1:She ends up having twins.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So at this point I think she has six babies.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I want to say she ended up having 11 kids or something like that.
Speaker 1:It could have. She still goes on the road, she's still touring. She has a beautiful mansion. This place is a little big.
Speaker 3:I don't know if you've seen the stock barn at the back of it.
Speaker 1:I barn to the back of it. I've been there. Yeah, that's true, you can take tours of the mansion, the pink room and everything you can see. Oh, it's so cool and she still lives there and the dad seemed like a good dad. Honestly, yeah, taking care of the kids on the farm life?
Speaker 1:yeah, and she would just go on tours without him until he got better, for sure yeah, he did get better until, like um loretta started getting like ill a little bit and I thought they were leading on. Maybe this is still true. Like she was, she caught what her dad had, or because her dad died from the mines yeah, the lung and getting the headaches and everything like that too yeah, and in the beginning did show her working with her dad just like a little bit, so I was wondering if it was the same thing I don't know.
Speaker 3:I mean, she's still alive today, so yeah it's true.
Speaker 1:She started getting these headaches, so she asked her husband to come back on the road with her just to take care of her, and there was a point where she couldn't do it.
Speaker 3:She I'm sorry, migraines.
Speaker 1:I think it was just migraines or something, that's what she said, but her dad had migraines too and he had the bloody noses too yeah, and he did the coughing blood and stuff. She never had that I could never work the coal mines. Dude, you go in there knowing you're gonna fucking die same with the mills here and yeah, that's true near chicago?
Speaker 3:I would not know. And if jacob ever said, hey, I'm gonna go work at the mill, I'll be like no, you're not I mean, that's when people go work in the mill and stuff like that, and they still smoke too.
Speaker 1:It's like you just don't give a fuck about your lungs.
Speaker 3:Then well at that point it's like might as well, I'm already gonna die, yeah um, but she always kept her daughter, her dad's, with her too.
Speaker 1:I like that scene, like how she kind of knew before she knew. She saw a vision of him too, like running towards him with some news yeah um, and this movie has a lot of highlights.
Speaker 1:Like some of the performances are great, I want to learn more about her life. She does have influence today. She's also just known as being the first woman in country and, like I said, I listen to a handful of music. It still hits today. I like it a lot, uh, but it just reminds me like I'm just drinking a beer or a whiskey at a old dusty bar.
Speaker 3:I love it.
Speaker 1:I love that kind of vibe man having that chorus banquet if there could be a biopic about any it doesn't have to be country any singer that you would want to see that they haven't done yet.
Speaker 3:Janis Joplin.
Speaker 1:Janis Joplin 100%.
Speaker 3:I love Janis Joplin and her whole story is fantastic to me. Interesting how she came up, how she was bullied, how she loved soul and blues and jazz, like soul and blues and jazz, and she just took blues into a whole new direction as a woman, young, graspy, just there's so much soul in her music and her upbringing was definitely different. So I want to see a movie done about her. There's documentaries and stuff, but I want to see someone actually play her.
Speaker 1:I like a good documentary too, but I would rather watch a biopic yeah robbie, yeah, robbie, something that just came out, like today, I think better man better man.
Speaker 3:That's what the movie's called, yeah drama about robbie williams, british pop star singer.
Speaker 1:Yes, apparently he's fucking huge, but not over here because not a lot of people know.
Speaker 3:I was about to say I over here because not a lot of people know about him.
Speaker 1:I was about to say I'm like well really Not a lot of people know about him, but he's big over there.
Speaker 3:Oh, I did see this trailer when I was at the movies. Fucking weird man.
Speaker 1:It looks good. It looks interesting. I should say Fucking weird. It's no Rocket man. Rocket Man's probably my top ten movies of all time. Love elton, john, benny and the jets is probably my favorite. Benny, yeah, benny. I want to see dolly parnett to this now. I mean she's preparing for her death, like she already has a song that's not supposed to come out for another like 20 years. You know about that what is it?
Speaker 1:she wrote a song at least one song that I know of and it's not going to be released until like 20 years, like after she's died. She said she wants it to come out no shit so if she's already doing that, like I wonder if she's doing like biopics or documentaries and stuff like that probably oh yeah, so loretta lynn, I love this movie.
Speaker 1:I was excited, especially for an 80s movie too. The biggest difference you can tell about this one this is like when movies are still being filmed on film versus digital now, and it just has the old school grit and this makes it more realistic, especially the bar scenes like they look like real people in this movie oh yeah um, these actors themselves couldn't find a better way to play them.
Speaker 1:Was it really her singing? Or was it just cover-ups of loretta? Because she sounds so much like her. I don't know sissy's basic she, she sounds a much like her. I don't know, Sissy Spacek. She sounds a lot like her in this movie, so it makes me think was it just a voiceover?
Speaker 3:I feel like she did sing. Should we look it up, because now I need to know.
Speaker 1:Sure yeah, it was almost identical to her actual records coming out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she actually sang all of them.
Speaker 1:She's great, she's great it makes me wonder why didn't you go?
Speaker 3:into country music yourself, then, and Loretta Lynn actually helped her learn how to play the guitar.
Speaker 1:That's pretty sweet.
Speaker 3:So Loretta Lynn actually helped her do the styling in her music and her voice and helped her play the guitar. That's awesome. So, Loretta Lynn helped a lot in this movie. I do remember my mom telling me that.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, based off her book too.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, so I think a lot of it is true, at least what she remembers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Would you like to see this not remade, but like another movie about Loretta Lynn, Like another biopic Modern Times? Who do you think would play her? Ooh. Lainey Wilson.
Speaker 2:Who? Eh, that would be pretty cool. Yeah, that would be pretty cool, but she doesn't look like Loretta Lynn.
Speaker 3:She doesn't.
Speaker 1:Neither did this chick, though Maybe Miley Cyrus honestly, that would be ooh, that would be too good, miley Cyrus would be good as Loretta Lynn. I talked about this again I'm bringing up this guy's name. I talked to somebody about his album. Like it would have been fucking sick if this is miley cyrus's way back in the country his love feature song with him on this.
Speaker 3:Oh my god that would have been sick, or even billy ray cyrus. Honestly, I love miley cyrus, I do too.
Speaker 1:She's coming. She's cooking up something she's been posting on her instagram lately. Have you seen that? Yes, I have uh, so I'm expecting an album pretty soon I I like that.
Speaker 3:She's maturing too, and I love her voice. Now, after she had that surgery, her voice is like more mature.
Speaker 1:She becomes like a meme with that voice though.
Speaker 3:I know, but I kind of like it. It kind of reminds me again of like Janis Joplin becoming more graspy and like more soulful.
Speaker 1:I think that'd be the perfect opportunity to come back to country then.
Speaker 3:Yeah, her voice is perfect for country. Miley Cyrus would do a great job playing her.
Speaker 1:She could even look like her a little bit too with her hair and makeup. Oh, 100% yeah.
Speaker 3:She's already got the accent. She's from Tennessee too.
Speaker 1:What would you give a carpenter's daughter One?
Speaker 3:out of ten.
Speaker 1:Why did I say that I don't know.
Speaker 3:10 out of 10.
Speaker 1:I'd give it a good 9 out of 10.
Speaker 3:I had a good one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was like you said. I totally read it. I love this movie.
Speaker 3:As soon as you asked me which the other movie would be, I was like Loretta Lynn's Coal Miner's Daughter because I picked the Bob Dylan movie. I'm like I thought biopics were like 20 times newer. No, definitely not. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I kind of want to go back and rewatch some of old documented, old footage of her. I've been listening to her music a lot lately too. She's very sweet.
Speaker 3:So sweet. Love it Go if you ever go to the west side of Tennessee, like near Paris or Jackson, go to Loretta Lynn's place and do the tour of her home.
Speaker 1:Did you go see Elvis's place out there too?
Speaker 3:No, I didn't. I didn't see Elvis's no, because I don't know. Elvis was more towards Nashville, I think.
Speaker 1:Memphis right.
Speaker 3:Oh, was it Memphis I think that's where he's from right, that's where his mansion is.
Speaker 1:I would assume so Shit. I, I would assume so shit, I don't know, yeah, but uh, I don't know if my mom's bucket list our friend beth, who lives out there now. She told me about it too and it looks sounds really cool. Yeah, I think people are still living there too, if I'm not mistaken yeah, probably, and I think you do that. You can't go upstairs, yeah they don't allow you upstairs but could you do that, like people just go in their own living room all the time?
Speaker 3:no, yeah, exactly, that's weird. No, I don't even like my friends over that much. Did you go inside?
Speaker 1:her house, loretta's house? Yeah, or did you go outside?
Speaker 3:It's a tour. She does tours on certain days and stuff she does tours herself. No, no, no, no no, no, I did see her on the property once.
Speaker 1:I didn't hear her, but she was at afar dealing with one of her kid or something no, she was like walking with a horse and stepping.
Speaker 3:She was like you know 500 feet away.
Speaker 1:That wasn't her. Then she hired somebody no, it was definitely her. She wanted to give the people something to look forward to. So she hires a woman that does it all the time I'm gonna go with it.
Speaker 3:It was her.
Speaker 1:I was like 16 are there any movies coming out 2025?
Speaker 3:that's looking forward to what is coming out this year?
Speaker 1:give me some, uh, I don't know what you're looking forward to, but like, uh, there's captain america. Mickey 17 is what I'm looking forward to most, with robert pattinson.
Speaker 3:Um fantastic four, I think there was something I wanted to freaking see oh uh, we got movies like avatar believe is coming out this year Avatar 3. Yeah, I want to see that Me and Jacob really like Avatar.
Speaker 1:Zootopia 2. I think Toy Story 5 is coming out this year.
Speaker 3:No, over it Really, after freaking 1 and 2, just not making movies.
Speaker 1:Wicked Part 2, superman Frozen 4.
Speaker 3:Oh, I want to see Wicked Part 2. You didn't see the first one.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna watch the first one uh, there's another mission impossible movies coming out. Like I said, fantastic four, captain america, uh, thunderbolts, lilo and stitch live action I will see that one.
Speaker 3:I love lilo and stitch I'm just very excited for that one dude I think, you talked about this on a podcast, but lilo's uh voice is the girl from the ring. I did talk about that, I just watched a whole deep dive on that girl on youtube where is she now?
Speaker 1:do you think she'll make a camp?
Speaker 3:I would imagine she makes a cameo in this movie right, it would have been cool if it was her playing it playing the girl yeah she's a grown-ass woman now whatever what, what maybe her sister, that or aunt, aunt, sister, who older sister right?
Speaker 1:yeah, we've seen footage of as of right now, like maybe it changed by the time this comes out. But, like I was just stitch only, like we've seen, like uh, photo sets of the, the lilo and her sister, I'm curious as fuck to see the other aliens in this movie oh yeah like uh, peakly peaklo god, it's been so long since I've seen lilo and stitch.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna watch it now this week.
Speaker 1:I'm curious because they did stitch so good and I'm so, so curious, my dad had a teal big pickup truck when I was a kid yeah.
Speaker 3:I got to name it Because you know we name our vehicles Stitch.
Speaker 1:You named it Car.
Speaker 3:Stitch Same freaking color as Stitch.
Speaker 1:And I love that movie.
Speaker 3:Okay, what else is coming out?
Speaker 1:Have you seen the trailer for Novocaine?
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 1:That one looks kind of controversial. You've seen the Boys right? Yeah, that guy who plays the main character, the kid Jack Quaid.
Speaker 3:that's what it is oh, yeah, yeah, yeah he stars in this movie.
Speaker 1:It plays Nova King. He basically plays like a regular human being, but he has this condition, which is a real life condition where he can't feel pain so he's just going around kicking ass. He does like a kick ass in this movie, but, um, I was like, okay, that's a very cool, interesting movie, but I'm kind of concerned that people who really have this condition are going to try to do shit like this. You know. Right. He sticks his hand in a deep fryer. Oh. Mickey 17,. I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 3:Let's see what's Mickey 17 about.
Speaker 1:Mickey 17 is played by Robert Patterson. It's in the future. He's kind of depressed, so he signs up for the space program thing where he's an expendable. Now what that means you're going to be helping them figure out, like, uh, they're going to be using as a test dummy. Basically, yeah, if you die you die, and if you die they clone you and make another one and you just keep repeating it like over and over. So you're doing these all kind of missions and stuff like that. Well, one day he doesn't die and he comes back and he meets his clone already his clone he's the 17th mickey the eight, he meets the 18th, mickey, and it becomes this whole big deal.
Speaker 1:It looks interesting, mark ruffalo's in there oh, I like mark ruffalo, it's gonna be good snow white's coming out this year. Happy gilmore 2 is coming out this year oh, shut up, is adam sandler actually in? It. Yeah, you haven't seen the trailer no this is like a like a little teaser trailer. That's all, right now happy gilmore 2.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh, for sure, seeing that one. Yeah, accountant 2 was coming out this year with uh ben affleck no way, jacob's definitely gonna want to see that one mission impossible.
Speaker 1:The final reckoning karate kid yeah uh, ballerina, that's gonna be a big one. 28 years later, that's a big deal. Right now, f1, brad brad pitt, megan 2.0 is coming out. Jurassic world's rebirth is gonna be a big one. Superman's the biggest one, I would say. I know what you did last summer is gonna be remade. It's coming out next year same oh my god. Same cast.
Speaker 3:When did that come out? Like 2000s, 90s?
Speaker 1:I want to say the 98, if I'm not mistaken. I could be totally wrong about that. Freakier Friday, it's Freaky Friday 2.
Speaker 3:With Lindsay Lohan. Mm-hmm, no way.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'll see if I actually go or wait. I think the next big timothy chandler movie is going to be marty supreme about the ping pong player oh, yeah, yeah, god, I love ping pong and avatar is like the last big one nice so it's good to leave 2025.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's a few that I want to see, there's a lot of tv shows that I want to watch this year, so what's some tv shows that you have in mind so um house of the dragon wait or is that 2026 dude, I've been obsessed with the beast games lately shit, I've been watching the sopranos lately you're like the fifth person to tell me that it's going around.
Speaker 1:I'm almost done.
Speaker 3:I'm on season five. I got one more season. You've been watching the sopranos lately. You're like. The fifth person told me that it's going around.
Speaker 1:I'm almost done. I'm on season five. I got one more season. You've been watching squid game, season two no yeah I love that show I tried.
Speaker 3:I watched it while I was like redoing my kitchen last winter.
Speaker 1:So that's probably why you guys sit there and watch it yeah, I guess you're right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I always do that, though I just put my ipad up and I watch it while I'm like working on things well. Thank you, miss hannah, for spending your saturday with me talking about movies heck yeah, saturday morning, and now I'm near the mall, so I think I'm gonna go shopping there you go um next week.
Speaker 1:I want to say I have a recurring guest talking about the werewolves movie. It's coming up, werewolf, the werewolf, oh, who's coming on?
Speaker 3:greg rozinski wait, greg that came to my house for halloween no, that's glenn oh, glenn crap.
Speaker 1:Glenn was on a couple episodes ago yeah, I like glenn.
Speaker 3:Glenn, if you're watching, you're welcome over whenever that's kind of weird.
Speaker 1:You're married, but anyways, thank you for listening what you guys killed it at beer pong.
Speaker 3:He is welcome over. Yeah, thank you for everyone listening.
Speaker 1:uh, like I said, werewolf is next episode, if I'm not mistaken, 2025, starting off pretty good so far.
Speaker 3:Heck, yeah, thanks for having me, robert.
Speaker 1:Thank you for coming on. Thank you again for listening. Subscribe to the TikTok page, and if it's still here at this point, I think by the time this comes out, it might be gone. Uh-oh, but subscribe to the Instagram page though. Bye, stay tuned. Next week I'll be saving a seat.
