Welcome to the Mormon to medium podcast, where we'll talk about spirituality, the paranormal religion, and my journey going from Mormon to medium. I'm Nanette Wride. Thanks for listening. Now let's go have some fun.
Brad:Hello and welcome. This is the Mormon to Medium podcast, where we talk about the journey from being Mormon to being a medium. It's really kind of a strange dynamic, don't you think, Nann? Can those two things really exist in the same realm?
Nannette:They can definitely exist, but at some point I think you have to make a choice, right?
Brad:Right, you can't be a Mormon and a medium, because they don't really care for that.
Nannette:Uh, no. They don't go together very well. But I mean, I
Brad:They are not like peanut butter
Nannette:I guess they could as long as you don't go to any of the leaders and ask them for help. Peanut butter and chocolate?
Brad:Yeah, they're not like peanut butter and chocolate, because peanut butter and chocolate always go together.
Nannette:I have you like Reese's peanut butter cups. I was thinking of peanut butter and jam.
Brad:Well, PB and J is kind of blase, peanut butter and chocolate though, damn.
Nannette:you remember those commercials?
Brad:course I do. That's why I said that.
Nannette:Oh my gosh. Those were good commercials.
Brad:Thanks for catching on though.
Nannette:Drinking my coffee. Zip it.
Brad:I appreciate you following. It's all good.
Nannette:baby. You know, we also shed light in dark places, so we talk about things that people don't like to talk about.
Brad:No, that's true. I like to talk about it.
Nannette:I think we should talk about lots of things and have good conversations about things that are hard to talk
Brad:Well, that's really the key, I think, is a lot of people just go, well, this is how I feel. And that's that. And they're not open to conversation. And I think in order to be a successful adult, you have to be able to have conversations with people who have differing opinions and it. It's okay if someone has a different opinion, let's talk about them. Why do you feel this way? Why do I feel this way? And you work through it and you come to an understanding and agreement with each other. You don't have to completely believe what the other person believes in order to be friends. Or even in order to be friendly, right?
Nannette:It's so true, but do you think that people are afraid to talk about things because they're afraid of, other people telling them that they're wrong or trying to introduce a different point of view and then them feeling stupid rather than just being open and curious. I mean, I know that. Even when I'm not right and we're talking about something, it's interesting to get to know someone's different perspective and different point of view.
Brad:that ever happen? Are you ever not right? Because I've, I've learned in our relationship, you're right. Probably 99 percent of the time, and I'm right 1 percent of the time.
Nannette:whatever that is a false statement.
Brad:Hey, I'm just trying to keep the peace here,
Nannette:You just want to get laid.
Brad:get married. Ha ha ha! Does that help? Because if that helps, I'm going to say things like that much more often. Ha
Nannette:Do not lie to me. Speak sweet nothings in my ear, but do not lie to me.
Brad:me. Ha ha ha! But,
Nannette:But you know, I think as I get older, I think it's more interesting to talk to people and kind of be silent on my side and listen to their side rather than needing to be right all
Brad:right all the time.
Nannette:Oh
Brad:fuck
Nannette:Yeah. You know that, you know that getting lucky that you wanted like 30 seconds ago. Yeah. You ain't getting that.
Brad:lucky didn't happen like 30 seconds ago. Especially like if someone
Nannette:do love to talk, but I also like to
Brad:how they feel about
Nannette:for people to listen to other people though, too, and not always have to be right or have to chime in. Especially like if someone is telling how they feel about something, they're talking about how they feel and you should listen with your heart and not have to tell, you know, your story about the same thing because it kind of cancels out them.
Brad:Because it kind of cancels out them.
Nannette:Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. come
Brad:come to me and say, Brad, this or this, or this happened, or I'm feeling this or this or this, I automatically jumped to, Oh my God, well, let's do a, B and C, and then we're going to get the results that
Nannette:don't tell
Brad:And you're like, God damn it. Just listen to me. Don't tell me how to fix it. I think over the years I've learned to promise things like, don't try to fix me.
Nannette:You're like, got it. I understand the parameters now.
Brad:And that's the key, right? Is first I'll go, okay, what is expected of me? Because you really have a hard time in a conversation. Where there is an expectation, but you don't understand what that expectation is. And I think maybe that's the difference between somebody going,
Nannette:to
Brad:Help me versus just listen to me. You know, there's an expectation versus just a conversation, right? Because two people can just have a conversation or a group of people can have a conversation and there's no expectation. Or there shouldn't be.
Nannette:Well, but most people, so for example, let's take people that, um, are leaving a high demand religion, right? They need to be able to talk to their family members who they love and let them know where they're at and have the family member hear them with their heart and then not. Impose their own story or their own emotions on the person. Just accept them for where they are at because they're still the person that you loved before. They're just going down a different path. And so to be curious and not impose your own belief systems on that person is really, truly love.
Brad:Do you know what? That's a really good point because it is hard for a lot of people who are. In a high demand religion to talk to their, their friends or loved ones who have left because I think it almost feels like, oh, you're attacking my religion because you don't believe in it anymore.
Nannette:Well, and you're attacking the person because their religion becomes the person, especially if you're a Mormon. Um, the religion becomes who you
Brad:know what I mean? I see
Nannette:The Mormons,
Brad:lot with my clients
Nannette:you know what I mean? I see that a lot with my clients and what they do is they withdraw. And then they're afraid to talk to their own spouse or they're afraid to talk to their parents or their kids. And it's like, nothing that you're doing is wrong. Why not have a love filled
Brad:conversation
Nannette:conversation about it and let them know, I need you to hear me with your heart and just don't say anything. Don't mean that this means you're wrong. It just means I need you to hear me and I need you to accept where I'm at right
Brad:where I'm at right
Nannette:The end. That's all. Like it's so simple,
Brad:you imagine how difficult it would be? If you're in a relationship where one partner was very in and one partner was out, I mean, and I know I joke a lot that we're in a mixed faith
Nannette:you do,
Brad:but, but the reality of it is, is I don't go to church and I haven't for years, but I think that would be so difficult if one of us was very believing and very in, and the other was not.
Nannette:it would literally put your relationship to a test, you know, but usually it creates chasms, but there's a lot of really good counseling so that you can work on your marriage and work on that subject and still stay together. If that's something that you want to do,
Brad:stay together, if that's something that you want to do. I think, much like when
Nannette:I think. Much like when we were dating, I was still very in, and you still weren't going to church, but you still came with me, even though,
Brad:came with me. Even
Nannette:even though you moaned during the whole sacrament meeting and everything, and made me laugh.
Brad:made me
Nannette:Yeah, like, he's
Brad:still talking about church? I need a disclaimer on this. Oh my hell. I need to tone the sexual undertone of this
Nannette:Oh my gosh. We have a great, we need, we need a disclaimer on this one. There's an undertone, a sexual undertone to this podcast today,
Brad:you are offended by sexual innuendo, please do not listen to this podcast. But you
Nannette:you know, you didn't say
Brad:anything. You
Nannette:going to church. You didn't, you didn't try to force your belief systems down my throat, which I absolutely left. Brad.
Brad:left. Oh shit. I'm so sorry. I, it's like everything you say is so dirty this morning.
Nannette:it the cheesecake we ate?
Brad:What? It must have been that creamy goodness. Oh shit. Cheesecake
Nannette:going to have cheesecake and coffee every morning. Oh my gosh.
Brad:And by the way, you just skipped right over the moaning. Nobody understands what even that was about.
Nannette:So in the word that I was in, um, the tempo and everything, um,
Brad:What's a, what's a, wait, you've got to explain what a ward is.
Nannette:it's, it's a section of people that go to the same church at the same time.
Brad:it's like a local
Nannette:It's a couple of hundred people that go to, you know, one ward at the same time. And then your neighbor that could be across the street could be in a different ward and you just don't talk because you're not in the same
Brad:ward. Yeah, I can't talk to them. They're not in my ward. I can't talk to them
Nannette:That's how it works. But the, but the music. Um, the tempo and everything would be the same. And so Brad would be like, uh, uh,
Brad:it sounded like this graveyard moaning. Like,
Nannette:we
Brad:But every church song, every hymn sounds like a moan. It's just horrible.
Nannette:would sit in the back, of course, because Brad is very disruptive. He turns into 14. Every time we would go, but I just, I just super appreciated that you would let me work it out. And that's how a marriage would need to be is just let the spouse work out what their journey is because it's their individual journey, right?
Brad:Well, it's true, but what happens when that spouse starts going, well, our kids are going to do this. Our kids are going to do that. How do you, how do you work through that type of situation? I
Nannette:that there needs to be an understanding between the spouses, how you're going to approach the kids and the kids need to be able to choose. And you know what? Truth is truth. Whether you believe it or not.
Brad:They should just choose the right.
Nannette:They should choose what feels right in their heart. The
Brad:Oh, not choose the right, choose what's
Nannette:What, well, what is the right? If you're in the church, you feel like everything in the church is right, but when you get out and you learn other things, you're like, holy shit, okay, game change.
Brad:Look, when you're eight, you want to choose what's going to get you a big ass party.
Nannette:And the poster with the candy
Brad:And the candy bar poster. So, you're probably going to go, I want to be baptized, mommy.
Nannette:exactly. Cause you want the
Brad:Yeah, because you're,
Nannette:You're not dumb. Hello.
Brad:I want to, I'm going to get a cool party. Do you understand what it means to be baptized? Uh huh. They're going to put me in the
Nannette:it's the same thing with people that are in the church. I want the celestial kingdom. Hello. I have the checklist right
Brad:Yeah. But an eight year old doesn't know dick about dick. I mean, literally they know nothing and they're going, guess what? Now you're a member of our church and you just made these, these sacred covenants with the Lord and an eight year old going, I don't know what a covenant
Nannette:That really bothers you, huh?
Brad:It really bothers me that that is a child who has no idea what they're getting into or what covenants they're making or promises they're, they're getting into
Nannette:Which, you know, a mixed faith marriage would like
Brad:that light
Nannette:bring that light into it, you know, cause you would have, for example, a mom that would be like, well, this is what you're really getting into. This is what it's really about. And then you've got the dad being like, yeah, but this and this and this and this and this and the party. And then the mom's like, yeah, but this is, this is what's going to happen.
Brad:a lifetime commitment, and do you understand these
Nannette:but then you get both sides and then as a kid you can choose, right? But I know a lot of families don't do that. I know it's, it's a super stressful thing and we can only guess, but
Brad:Yeah.
Nannette:in a perfect world, you know, people should just be like, Hey, you're on a different path. I'm on a different path. I mean, you and I don't see things. The same all the time. And sometimes we agree to disagree, but we still love each other the same. And that's okay.
Brad:Well, and, and I think it goes back to what you said earlier is there are some fantastic family counselors who can help with those types of things. And so that's probably the best place to look.
Nannette:You can listen
Brad:I mean, you can listen to, you can listen to us all you want and we'll give you all kinds of advice. It might not be great. Um, but a family counselor will really understand your personal situation and be able to give you a lot better help than we can.
Nannette:Well, and we have a really great counselor too, that's been on the podcast and has been our counselor too, as I go through my faith crisis in the beginning of our marriage. So
Brad:so. Yep. Exactly.
Nannette:he's been awesome, but yeah, I don't even know how we got down there. How do we go down that
Brad:Yeah, that was, that was a different path than we expected to take. But, uh,
Nannette:Most definitely. So how about manifesting, babe?
Brad:yeah. How about manifesting? So, you'll probably remember Nan's story about after Cory was killed and she just hounded the lord and was like, I just need to see him. I just need to see him. Let me see him now. Let me see him now. Let me see him now. Let me see him now. Can I see him now?
Nannette:see
Brad:him
Nannette:now? Can I see him
Brad:That's what Nan does with vacations. And how'd that work out?
Nannette:Um, it worked out really wonderful. So when you manifest something, um, what I do is I picture myself there and I use all of my senses. You know, what does it feel like? What does it smell like? You know, what does it sound like? Like all the things as if I'm there. And then I walk around expecting it to happen in any day. And our awesome friends, um, texted us and said, Hey. Um, it's our friend's birthday and Russ
Brad:It's going to be Russ's birthday, everybody.
Nannette:and do you guys want to go on an Eastern Caribbean cruise? And I was like, score because everybody knows that if Russ is involved, I will always say yes. He can get me to do shit. I would never do. Cause I, he's just one of those cool
Brad:hey, you want to go camping? And Nan's like, I hate to camp Brad, but I love to go with Russ. Okay, yeah, we'll go camp. And she had a great time. I had a great
Nannette:I had a great time and I do. I love Russ. He's, he's one of those people that. Yeah, Russ and Russ and
Brad:He's got a very pure heart and loving soul.
Nannette:Yeah. He has that twinkle in his eye. He's just fun. He's good people and Sandy is just awesome.
Brad:Is he a, is he a, is he good people or is he a good person? Because if he's people, he might have that
Nannette:I don't know. I
Brad:disorder and we might have to get him some help.
Nannette:I think he's part Native American. The way that he can find shit in the middle of the desert is unreal. Unreal. He has like this,
Brad:Is any
Nannette:this innate ability to do magical things. Like he's amazing. Anyway, we are going on a seven day cruise and we're going in May. So I'm super, super, super excited.
Brad:spend
Nannette:Brad, Brad was like, seriously, cause I've been on Instagram. If you go, like, I've been leaving like all of these hints.
Brad:Subtle hints. I need a vacation manifest and it's Nan's, you know, picture Nan sitting in the ocean or, you know, baby turtles swimming into the ocean after they've been hatched
Nannette:after
Brad:for the last few weeks.
Nannette:hatched or everything for the last few weeks.
Brad:cheese o, peas o, let's just go somewhere.
Nannette:go somewhere. Time.
Brad:time. I've
Nannette:have always wanted to see the world in different places, see cultures, see people,
Brad:show you
Nannette:different food, you know, I I'm hungry for that. So I can't sit still anymore than like five or six months and then I got to go again. So.
Brad:And it's kind of weird because I tend to be a homebody.
Nannette:Yeah, that's because you travel for your job and you're gone every other week. So just don't even talk to me about that.
Brad:that could be true, but I do. I love being home. I love having little projects at home to work
Nannette:No, you have big projects.
Brad:being able to do things like that. And yeah, I, I like being home.
Nannette:So what we're saying is Nan needs a posse of ladies to go on vacations with because Brad wants to stay home.
Brad:Do you know what? It'd probably be really good for you to go on a ladies trip. I
Nannette:Oh, do you hear that snap? Okay, there it is. There it is. There it is.
Brad:think it would be very healthy for you. I think that that's something that you don't really do a lot. And so I think that it would be good. Don't give me that look. It's not, you don't do a lot of things with like lady friends.
Nannette:I don't, because I, you're my best friend, and I like to do everything with you.
Brad:Oh, thank you.
Nannette:I'll go on vacation. You just watch. I'll go on vacation, and I'll want to show you everything. And you'll be like, I'm busy with this project.
Brad:You'd be like, why aren't you answering the phone?
Nannette:be
Brad:I'll be like, I'm, I'm building a deck or whatever the hell's going on.
Nannette:yeah, I think,
Brad:Okay. That's fair. That's fair. Do you know what? And here's the thing. I love to travel with you. So, and I would feel bad if I missed out on something. Maybe you don't need a bunch of lady friends to go on
Nannette:maybe you don't need a bunch of lady friends to
Brad:there was no digging. We were just, we were having a discussion. We're just having a conversation.
Nannette:conversation. The thing is, is our dating life, we would go on vacation, like I'm talking a beautiful scuba diving vacation, probably on the average of every three to four months. And it was magical. Like our dates were fricking awesome. And so when he asked me to marry him, I'm like, uh, this part can't change.
Brad:I understand
Nannette:I, and I understand life happens and jobs
Brad:understand, and I've given
Nannette:I know, I understand. And I've given some grace, but you know what? It's time. I'm manifesting this bitch and it's going to happen like constantly. So as soon as we go on this trip, I'm going to be manifesting the next
Brad:the next one. And she's not kidding.
Nannette:She's not kidding.
Brad:kidding. So if you want to get on the calendar of Nanette, you're going to want to get on there quick because you never know when she's going to be bebopping around somewhere else.
Nannette:Or if you want to learn how to manifest holler,
Brad:Right? She can teach you.
Nannette:I'm really good at it.
Brad:damn good at it.
Nannette:So a lot of people have been asking, um, if spirit guides are real, what do you think, Brad?
Brad:I think that they're very real. I, I absolutely believe that. And look, it really kind of ties back to the whole LDS religion, right? Because they have the Holy Ghost, which is essentially a spirit guide.
Nannette:It's true. It's
Brad:I mean, they, they say, well, we just have the Holy Ghost, but the Holy Ghost could really be a plethora of ghosts. Do you have a plethora?
Nannette:plethora that's, that's designed to be right with you and know you personally. That wouldn't make sense, right? Holy shit. No,
Brad:or guides,
Nannette:Guides. So, so you think that you could have more than one spirit guide? Is that what you're saying?
Brad:I think so. Probably not more than one wife. That's where spirit guides and, uh, and Mormons differ.
Nannette:Oh my gosh. My brain just, just did a party. Can you imagine being a polygamist? Like in Brigham Young's time and you were just like one of those wives that hated all the 28 million kids and the six other wives and you're like, we're going to hate this life, but this is how we have to live and Oh, like whatever. And then that you think that's what your heaven's going to be like, that would be awful.
Brad:ha ha ha ha! I have to spend eternity with these assholes? Ha ha ha ha
Nannette:is too busy. When am I going to have peace? Do I get to rest? Cause I never rest.
Brad:I'm gonna go milk the cows, be back in a fortnight!
Nannette:in a fortnight. Do you have alcohol in your coffee?
Brad:No, but I should.
Nannette:You should.
Brad:No, I've got to work today. That's not, not going to happen. Me too.
Nannette:Me too.
Brad:awesome. I know,
Nannette:Got a full day of clients.
Brad:best clients,
Nannette:I know I have the best clients. I'm telling
Brad:you really do. You're lucky to be able to have the associations that you do through your clients. Yeah, I
Nannette:themselves, it is just a beautiful thing to get to witness and like a sacred space to stand in, to watch people shift and grow. And it's like they come into their own and stand in their own truth and light. And you're just like, yes, I get to be their cheerleader and be like, ah, you're so awesome.
Brad:cheerful light, you're just like,
Nannette:are you Rorying me?
Brad:hear them cheerily, I'm like, ah, here's the mom! Oh, I'm growing!
Nannette:You're almost as smooth as the five year old.
Brad:Yeah, I, do you know what? And one day I will be at Rory's level. Can you imagine where he's at now, man, that kid's a player.
Nannette:He's so cute.
Brad:And if you want to know more about Rory, you should listen to episode number whatever it was. I don't know. What episode?
Nannette:I don't know. I think it's, I think it's probably two or three. It's about our dating. So it's probably episode two, two or three right in
Brad:I don't know. Anyway, it's back, back, back at the beginning.
Nannette:you'll learn what a Rory finger is.
Brad:Yeah, it's not what you
Nannette:It's so cute. We Rory finger brat all the time.
Brad:Ultimately, what you need to know is Nan is a bad influence on children, and she teaches them things they ought not know. Yes, Rory, that's your biggest finger. Go show it to your mom.
Nannette:Jesus.
Brad:Oh, Jesus.
Nannette:my abs hurt from Pilates and Neck are making them burn.
Brad:When you say Pilates, it just makes me think of on Silicon Valley, when they're at the, when they're at the, uh, the funeral for the one guy and, and, uh, his. Competitor friend is like, we saw each other at the restaurant and I talked about my marathons and he told me about Pilates.
Nannette:It was, and it was hilarious.
Brad:Oh no, it was. And it was hilarious in that show. If you haven't seen Silicon Valley, please go watch it. It is absolutely hilarious.
Nannette:Yeah, it is really funny, but it would be more funny if you went to my Pilates class with me.
Brad:I, yeah, Pilates is too hard. I'll just go lift weights.
Nannette:All right It would be really entertaining for me though. If you came to Pilates once I
Brad:I would go to Pilates with you. If you went to yoga with me.
Nannette:Oh shit
Brad:Uh huh. Oh, wow. Wait a
Nannette:Yeah, so when we were dating we went to yoga and Brad is super limber like he can pretty much do the splits and um
Brad:the splits. And, um I also have better
Nannette:you, I was getting to that.
Brad:that. He likes
Nannette:He likes to tease me because I literally can fall off of flip flops. So like, and I'm talking, just standing there, not even walking.
Brad:walking. And and you're the one asking me if I have alcohol in my drink.
Nannette:you
Brad:I don't know what happened. I was just standing here. And you don't really sound like that, but that's, you
Nannette:know. Thanks. Thanks for the clarification there.
Brad:Oh shit. But
Nannette:Anyways, we went to this class and Brad's sitting there doing like his warrior pose and he's like doing so good and I, I'm trying to hold it and I like him and like shaking and toppling and like my balance sucked at that point. My balance is better now, but it was really ugly and he was so pretty. And so I got sick of looking at him. So I pushed him over.
Brad:He goes, that's how people get
Nannette:Right. No expectation.
Brad:just love, abundance, light.
Nannette:So I love abundance and like love, abundance and gratitude. It's all the same
Brad:Oh, Jesus. See, I always get that wrong. And sometimes I'm like, is it love, abundance, and crystals? What is this hooey wooey hippy dippy bullshit?
Nannette:know exactly what it is'cause you're as hippie dippy as they come.
Brad:Yeah, but I can
Nannette:you fake
Brad:I can pretend that
Nannette:you're, you're a faker.
Brad:Do you want to know something about me faking? Okay,
Nannette:This will be good.
Brad:so when I got married as a teenager and my ex's family hated me, like, he's such a horrible person and you'll never be happy because you'll never be able to go to the temple with him and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I dug my heels in and I'm like, fuck you guys. I'll show you. And a year later, we went through the temple by God,
Nannette:and
Brad:and I look back at that a lot of times and I'm like, did I go through because I believe that? Or did I go through because I wanted to say, fuck you guys. See, I did take her.
Nannette:Oh yeah, it's because you wanted to say fuck you. I
Brad:And, and I think a lot of it was that because her mom hated me. Hated me. Her sister was awful. Well, a couple of them were. A couple of them got better, The other one is less, less than kind, but, um, anyway, I, I sometimes look back and go, did I really buy into that or was it literally just to, to give a Rory finger and, uh, yeah. And then, then when the kids get older and then you start taking the kids to church and stuff and you're like, well, I guess we're in now. And then I look back and I'm like, damn, I raised my kids in that. And it's interesting because I watched them grow and change and make their own decisions in life now, and they're so far ahead of where I was, and I love that for them.
Nannette:them.
Brad:Anyway, that was, I don't know if that is a relevant story. I don't even know if it'll make it through the, uh, the editing
Nannette:Yes, it should. Absolutely should. I think it is relevant.
Brad:Now Nan, the real question is. Have you ever faked it?
Nannette:I fixed lots of things.
Brad:Oh!
Nannette:I'm an old lady. What do you think? But
Brad:Oh!
Nannette:think
Brad:that did not go the way I expected, did it?
Nannette:imposter syndrome most of my life. I, I faked being a really good flautist. I faked being Oh my gosh. Oh, you're making me cry.
Brad:Hey, you were the flattest, not me.
Nannette:I can still play my B flat scales.
Brad:But just since you got your implants out. Oh!
Nannette:Ba dum bum.
Brad:I cracked myself up. Oh, shit.
Nannette:But honey The most important thing is that I've never, ever faked it with you.
Brad:Okay. Thank you. That's really all I needed
Nannette:I need. I know. Okay, on to bigger and better things. Damn, now I feel
Brad:Now I feel attacked again.
Nannette:thing after another. Well, you're definitely going on vacation every
Brad:I don't know what I'm going to do with this relationship.
Nannette:to draw a turn.
Brad:One thing after another, darling. Oh boy. On that note, I think we ought to draw a tarot card. We haven't done that for a long time. Do a reading for us, darling. By the way, that's a really cool cigar box.
Nannette:So my hot boyfriend, you can sometimes call him my hot husband, but he's my boyfriend too. Cause I kind of treat him like he's a piece of meat.
Brad:he's a piece of meat. He, um, went on a work
Nannette:He, um, went on a work trip and he brought me back these really cool cigar boxes. So my tarot cards, um, fit in. The cigar box, like two, two decks of them and I kind of rotate them out with some of my other ones, but I love it. I love it. I love it. It has a picture of some stars and a moth and really cool
Brad:a moon and,
Nannette:in a moon. So what are we drawing the card for? I need to know.
Brad:Well, I think you need to draw a card for our listeners for this coming week
Nannette:For the listeners for the coming week. Huh. Well, there's your card.
Brad:So the card is the emperor and it is a man sitting on a throne. He's wearing a bright red jacket. He's got a scepter and a crown. Uh, he also has a white luxurious beard. He's he's very handsome then. Um, so, so what does that card mean for our listeners for this week?
Nannette:It just represents stability and power. it can represent a person, but, um, it's conviction and, um, yeah,
Brad:Con vic tion. Okay, I
Nannette:you thinking about the cheesecake again?
Brad:think so. Like a delicious confection, please. So, didn't have the power, but
Nannette:you can have a powerful week. We only drew one card though.
Brad:draw another? Well, usually you draw
Nannette:usually you draw a couple, especially with the normal tarot deck. And that's what this one is. Pull
Brad:it out, baby.
Nannette:pro. Oh,
Brad:Alright, and the next one is the Tower. Now this
Nannette:and burn. A destruction.
Brad:yeah, so it's got a big tall tower on top of a mountain that the lightning is striking and the top of it is falling off and it looks like people are jumping out of the windows, um, mayhem and chaos. What does that, what does the Tower card mean, Nan? You
Nannette:It's a two major AANAs. I think we're all Toast No, I don't, I don't think we're all toast. I think things are gonna get better. Um, so the tower, um. obviously is, is the ripping down of stuff. It can be misery or distress or ruin. Um, it can also be deception. So we've got a lot of that going on in the world today,
Brad:right? You know, I've always, I've always thought of the tower as an opportunity card and here's why. I think when things come tumbling down and feels like there is an end, there's always a new beginning and something to learn and something to build from and, and I think these two cards really go well together because you have this tower and you have something coming down and falling apart. But you have a way to rebuild and regain your power.
Nannette:I think definitely, things are changing and, if you protect yourself and, standing your own truth and light.
Brad:comes from love. As
Nannette:Um, everything comes from love and, um, as you, as you begin to heal, um, you'll be in charge of your own power. So I think that that's really important. I, and you know, some people mix up the tower with the death card and the death card is the end of something,
Brad:is the
Nannette:is the destruction of something, but then a rebuild of something. So I think it's interesting that they are together.
Brad:it's interesting that they are together. I'd not be afraid of the stuff that
Nannette:Yeah. Don't be afraid of this stuff that you're seeing on the news. Hopefully you're not watching it.
Brad:not watching it. It
Nannette:it could be about anything, but I think that things that are happening in the world can be a little unnerving. I think a lot of people are afraid. I'm starting to see people walk around with masks on again and I'm sorry, I'm a respiratory therapist. Breathing's important. But when you have an elderly lady with double masks on, it tells me she's got a lot of fear and that's
Brad:of fear,
Nannette:because she's not realizing that breathing's important, you know,
Brad:you know, in CPR and first aid classes, the first thing they tell you to check is the airway.
Nannette:exactly. I mean,
Brad:And
Nannette:you're rebreathing, um, your CO2 and you're rebreathing the bacteria that you're breathing out. I mean, like it, it's not good. It's not good. So it just hurts my heart to see people in such fear because there's no need for it. As long as we are. We're in tune and we are one with ourselves and we're whole and centered. There isn't anything to fear because our team will let us know when we need to move or what we need to do and give us the heads
Brad:love that. Nan. And thank you everyone for listening. We are so humbled that you take time out of your day to listen to our podcast. It really makes our hearts happy. So thank you so much. And if there's anything that you would like to hear from us, please hit us up. Let us know. Uh, you can follow us on all the socials, at Mormon to medium podcast. And, we'll see you.
Nannette:on the other side of the veil.