Episode 139: 2027 In O-Town / Top Five Prospects the Jags Should Target in Round Two

In this episode of Touchdown Jaguars!, we break down the big news shaking up the franchise— the Jacksonville Jaguars will be heading to Orlando for the 2027 season as stadium renovations get underway. With NFL owners unanimously approving the move, we dive into what this temporary relocation means for the team, the fans, and the future of Jaguars football.

We also shift our focus to the NFL Draft, highlighting five intriguing Round 2 prospects who could make an impact in Jacksonville. From standout talents like Florida defensive tackle Caleb Banks to playmaker Texas Tech linebacker Jacob Rodriguez, we explore how these potential picks could fit into the Jaguars’ roster and elevate the team moving forward.

Don’t miss this in-depth discussion packed with analysis, insight, and everything Jaguars fans need to know. Be sure to subscribe and stay tuned for more updates as the offseason unfolds!

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James Johnson and Phil Barrera bring you the best and most up to date Jacksonville Jaguars news. "Touchdown Jaguars!" is a tribute to the prospective ownership group "Touchdown Jacksonville!" In 1991, the NFL announced plans to add two expansion teams and "Touchdown Jacksonville!" announced its bid for a team, and Jacksonville was ultimately chosen as one of five finalists. In November 1993, the NFL owners voted 26–2 in favor of awarding the 30th franchise to Jacksonville. James and Phil have been fans of the franchise ever since and have had the honor (and sometimes dishonor) of covering the team professionally since 2017. The rest as they say, is history.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:59

Welcome to the Touchdown Jaguars Podcast. Here are your hosts, James Johnson and Phil Smith. Hey everyone, welcome back to the Touchdown Jaguars podcast. I'm your co-host, Phil Barrera, and with me here is your other co-host, James Johnson and Jay. The calendar is about to turn uh into the month of April, and that means the NFL draft is right around the corner. We've been out for a little bit. It has been a little bit of a hiatus, longer than we probably wanted, but we are still here and we are back and we are better than ever. So, Jay, it is good to see you. There is a little bit of breaking news that we're going to talk about here today. So it's timely and topical that we got back together here this evening. But, you know, even though the Jaguars don't have a first round pick this year, it doesn't mean that there isn't a plethora of things to discuss, and we will start right there in round two here today. So how are you doing? And uh yeah, good to be back. Uh good, good to be back here and then and ready to get back to work.

SPEAKER_00 2:05

Yeah, man, those are the perfect words to put um put out there. Is glad to get back to work. Um, because yeah, man, we just been really busy, and um I apologies to all our listeners, but we just been really busy and life be life in, right? As they say. Um, and um, yeah, I recently got into the streaming channel thing, so that kind of is drawn a lot or or brought in a lot of my attention. Um, but make no mistake about it, we did not forget about one of our first loves here, uh, which is podcasting about the Jacksonville Jaguars. And uh make no mistake about it, the content will be strong as ever. And uh, yeah, we'll work on getting some consistency going in these coming weeks, maybe getting on guests and stuff like that with draft season coming up and some content as well, like some written content too. So uh yeah, man, I'm glad to be back, man. Glad because I haven't talked about the draft in a while, aside from in our um group chat, you know. Like I haven't been on the radio and talked about um the draft in years, and you know, it's been you know since really late or uh early last year since we talked about the draft because hey, we were winning this season, so we didn't really talk about that during the regular season. Normally we were talking about the draft in like October or something like that, and what we should do. But um, this gave us a lot of time away from uh bringing up the draft, and of course, like it, you know, part of it is we don't have a first-round pick, as you mentioned, too. Which doesn't mean we can't be effective, right? That doesn't mean we can't make it count. That doesn't mean that we can't get closer to a Super Bowl. Um, but yeah, man, glad to be back, man. Um, and yeah, ready to get into this breaking news that you mentioned as well as the draft.

SPEAKER_01 3:56

Yeah, you know, we we discussed, we like threw around the idea of doing maybe a little bit of an off-season recap, but we know that a whole lot hasn't been going on. And you know, unlike our national pundits that people pay attention to who can't seem to wrap their minds around the lack of maneuverability that the Jacksonville Jack Wars have. Why haven't they done more? Why are they staying complacent? They're gonna take a step back again. Uh, it just takes a quick Google search or a Twitter search to see what's going on. But you guys all know what's going on in terms of the team and the lack of moves. Exactly. We're paying for the sins of the past, and we are uh now going, you know, we we have to just kind of wait things out. So um, yeah, again, just takes a really quick search as to it, and maybe just doing your jobs and you kind of figure out what is happening here. But instead, we're going to talk about some players we'd like to see the Jaguars or that Jay would like to see the Jaguars target in the second round, as well as we mentioned, there is some breaking news to discuss here today. Of course, we know the renovations are going on downtown with the stadium, and it was kind of up in the air as to where the Jaguars would be playing their home games in 2027. Well, we have to wonder no more. Um, this article dropped a little bit earlier today. We're recording on March 31st. Uh, this is from DRock, uh, the Jaguars proposal to play their home games in the 2027 season in Orlando, Florida, during the final year of the Everbank renovation was unanimously approved by the NFL's owners Tuesday at the league's annual meeting. The Jaguars will play the season at the 65,000 seat Camping World Stadium, which has played host to six Pro Bowls uh since 2017, but will remain at their team facility in Jacksonville during the week and travel approximately 150 miles south for those games. James Gladstone quote said, quote, I look at as an exciting opportunity. You have a chance to breach a region of the state that we otherwise wouldn't have the luxury of doing. And any challenge just brings with it further chances for growth, and obviously it's still far away. Uh, so we've got the 2026 season to really focus our attention on it, but looking forward to that moment once it comes. Of course, Jay, the other cities that were being thrown around, um, Gainesville, probably on a very le a much lesser extent, uh um Daytona. Um, that never really seemed to be a realistic possibility. So it did seem like it was going to be Camping World Stadium all along. So two-hour trip from here to Orlando, uh, obviously a little bit longer for you, but you know, right down 95 and then you know onto I-4. So not really too difficult of a drive. I know we've talked about in the past, one of the things that maybe we were reluctant about Gainesville is because of being a college city, it being a little bit more cramped in that kind of environment, a little bit more intimate of an environment. You know, Orlando is no stranger to having thousands of people come in and out of their downtown area and just their city in general. So I think uh as far as the uh just general layout of the city is probably a better fit too. So um, yeah, this is news again, like you said, I think we were expecting. But do you have any thoughts on uh Jacksonville playing their games uh uh in Orlando for the next few years? I just know that the the Orlando sports market is gonna use this as saying, hey, see, we could have a we could have a pro team, like come on, just chill out, Disney World. Okay, you guys, you guys got the magic and you got Orlando City, you know, you're you're good.

SPEAKER_00 7:34

Yeah, it sure as heck won't be another football team because that'll be four football teams in Florida. So, um, and obviously, as as we mentioned, the Jaguars aren't moving because that's the reason they're going to Orlando temporarily, is because they're getting a long-term fix in terms of a stadium. Um, but in terms of um my thoughts, I mean, let's face it, it's like the world's worst kept secret, as many people have said, right? You see Orlando putting what they're gonna put into Camp and World Stadium, I think it's like 300 million or 400 million, of course. Like that always sounded like them prepping the stadium to the standards of the NFL owners, right? So it was kind of like a writing on the wall type of thing. And don't get me wrong, Gainesville, they're putting renovations into their stadium too. Um, but again, like you have to think about just the makeup of the city of Gainesville and like the um the logistics of like the highway and and and things like that, um, and how easy it would be to get in and out of Gainesville. That, you know, that sounds like it would be a massive headache, you know. Um and um all of that being said, man, I I'm I'm excited for it, man. I I am eager um to, even though we probably already got a lot of those fans within our fan base, um, you know, maybe grab a little bit more from that market, you know. I've always floated the idea in the past of um just kind of trying to plant a seed in Orlando in regards to because I I think there it's more Tampa Bay fans there than Jaguar fans. But in the past, I've always planted, you know, this we had this conversation, ooh, like when we first met, Phil. So this is a decade ago. But maybe like having training camp at like Disney at the sports complex, right? Just to kind of like plant a seed there, kind of get a little bit more of that market to gravitate towards uh the Jacksonville Jaguars. Um, but no, this this is uh a perfect way to kind of do that as well, albeit we're doing it because we, you know, we're renovating our stadium. But um, I'm just kind of excited to see the aftermath of it, you know, and how it helps the Jaguars fan base. Does the Jaguars fan base kind of increase a little bit more? Um, because and this is the good thing about it. Um, at that time, you know, and you can't account for injuries or anything like that, but we should be still a pretty good team, pretty decent team, you would think, right? Like we got a lot of young players um that James Gladstone has drafted that'll still be around. Trevor Lawrence is, you know, we we know he'll be around for the long term too. At least he should be. Um, so you know, we should be able to put a decent product out there on the field as well, man. So um I'm excited about it. Um, even more so excited for the stadium to be built and for them to come back home. Uh, but yeah, shout outs to Orlando, man, for um, you know, hosting us for the one year. Um it is a little bit odd in terms of how the NFL have done things in the past. Like our situation is a little different because normally when you do this kind of thing, you know, the team is moving down the street, right? Like when the Vikings were having their stadium done, right? The Vikings, when I think I I looked up the logistics of it, like in mileage, they went to the University of Minnesota, which is like four miles away from where the old Vikings stadium was. So we haven't seen this done, like going to a whole nother city and crossing like more counties, uh, so to speak, but still I think it'll work out well. Um, I think like just looking at all of the excitement, like at um Orlando had like an announcement there where you know they brought in Trevor Lawrence and he said a few things on like Zoom or something, and um they brought in a few other Jaguars stars, Josh Hines, Allen, so on and so forth. They really seem excited for this um opportunity to see the Jacksonville Jaguars. And hey man, who knows, man? Maybe we uh will tap into that market and kind of weed some of those Tampa Bay fans out, you know, who knows?

SPEAKER_01 11:41

Yeah, listen, you know, whether people, you know, everybody has their own opinions about us playing, of course, over in London, and we have strong opinions about that as well, but can't deny that it has opened up the team to a fan base that otherwise never would have even considered Jacksonville. You know what I mean? Like if you go out there and you talk to those fans who have just chosen a team just because uh, you know, more uh there are a ton of Jaguar fans that I'm sure that those people would not have selected uh or have not been fans of the team if not for their extended presence. You know, we got that DM a couple years ago uh from a fan uh over in the UK talking about you know how much the Jaguars do in terms of community outreach and stuff like that, uh, even in the UK. So um it's a chance and opportunity for sure to, like you said, maybe do some events out there, do, you know, do a like a little ramp up process. I know a level a lot of people are having uh a little bit of a little fear that that's the year that we go to the Super Bowl, which of course that's how it would happen if it is going uh, you know, with the Jaguars playing uh down the street. But um, yeah, you know, there are definitely worse places to play. Like I said, I would have preferred Orlando over the Gainesville option for sure. Although my number one choice was Daytona, just because it was uh again a little bit closer, but uh that just was not um an option. And uh of course UNF, you know, still for some reason didn't get the football team rolling. So we could we out of town it is. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

Yeah, one thing I I always wonder why uh Tallahassee wasn't considered because it's right there on 10, you know, like you just go west on 10 and um you're there. Um and it's it's not terribly far from Jacksonville, but the the other thing that came to mind too, man, is and I don't know if they planned the draft this far out yet, but what if the NFL let the state of Florida like double dip and hosting the draft, right? Like let the Jaguars in Orlando. Yeah, like yeah, let us host it while we're in Orlando, and then being that we're putting all this money into Jacksonville, let us host it the next year in Jacksonville. And um, you know, I think that would be a good idea. I wonder if Shot Khan would like spend that by Goodell or something, or if the league would even like it, because of course the like they might have some like reservations about it because uh Orlando is not a true NFL city, right? Like it's not a team that that truly lives there. Um, but I mean that like that would be good exposure for the NFL too, because like let's face it, like a lot of people that live in Orlando aren't like from there, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 14:08

Um so Well, not to burst your bubble, Jay, but unfortunately the 2027 draft will already be in Washington, D.C.

SPEAKER_00 14:16

Yeah, and that's that's what I was saying. It it I think it you know it could be already decided in in Washington, DC, you said? Yep. Okay. Yeah, but it won't be done by then. Ooh, that I don't know about that, man. I mean, no disrespect to Washington, D.C., but like when you want to do it when the new stadium's there, like when it makes sense. But I'm sure they have the infrastructure. Like they have, I'm pretty sure they got like a big convention center or something like that. Yeah, it's gonna be at the National Mall. So Oh, okay, okay. That's a dope concept, actually. Like, I think that could that could work out. Yeah, but yeah, man. Um man, I can't wait, man, to um, like I said, you know, to see how this one year in Orlando goes, and even more so I can't wait until the new stadium's built. Um, you know, it's kind of been hard to see the progress of the stadium because they're not like putting a lot out of it. So every now and then you'll see something on Facebook or like somebody who's passing by. Um, the progress that I have seen, it it's it's looking like it's gonna come along fine, man. And I I just hope that the stadium comes along like the Bill Stadium is. You know how we had our reservations about like how that deal worked out and like they kind of got fleeced. But looking at how the stadium looks, it looks great, actually, the Bill Stadium. So, you know, that's a good thing because you always have this little thing in the back of your mind, like, yeah, we're building it, but is it gonna look exactly like the renderings, right? And is it gonna be in impressive, unimpressive? Um, but the Bills Stadium to their credit, you know, yeah, they're getting fleeced tax-wise, but it looks very good. And I hope the Jacksonville Jaguars get a similar result.

SPEAKER_01 15:57

Yeah, it does. And you know, you as somebody I I drove downtown a lot this past weekend, and you know, it's not really totally visible in terms of what the those up or you know, what the progress looks like because a lot of it's internal, so you can't really see too much from the outside. All I can really think of, man, is just when I'm driving over the bridge, like whether it be the Heart Bridge or the Matthews, I'm like, man, in two years, this view is gonna look totally different. And that's just something that's really two and a half, three years, and that's just really exciting uh for the city, for the team, of course, for the fans, and uh, you know, yeah, just excited to see that progress as it continues. But um, yeah, that was the news that came up today.

SPEAKER_00 16:39

By the way, what's that? You can already see it because the um they built the the tower. That's true. Yeah, I drove by that too.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

Yeah, you know, they're still working on the hotel, of course, but yeah, you know, it already looks different. And man, just uh what a what even more progress could it have been if you know just Lot J just had gone according to plan, you know what I mean? So yeah, um, but you know, but uh yeah, it is still exciting. So at least now we know and the waiting game is over in terms of where they are going to be playing. But um, yeah, that news came out today. Um, and now we will uh go ahead and then transition over into some draft. Of course, the Jaguars do not own a their first round pick here this season. It was traded away in the Travis Hunter trade, um, but they do are but they are currently set to uh pick at pick 56 in the second round. And um, Jay, you know, as we've kind of been ramping up to getting back to recording, uh I obviously have not really had a lot of time to look into draft stuff, just been busy with uh with Wait for it and the uh voice acting, and then we had a two big conventions in March as well. So uh really have been relying on you guys in the group in the group chat, you know, as far as what has been going on draft-wise. So you put together a list of five players you would like to see the Jaguars target in round two. Now, are these in order of what you'd like to see most to uh from from highest to lowest in terms of what you'd like to see? Like it's it from five to one in order, or is it just you just pick five players?

SPEAKER_00 18:06

Yeah, it's um in order of my most desired players. And um, one thing I mentioned to you, and I'll mention it to everybody listening as well, is um like this list um isn't necessarily um I guess the way I would put it is it was plenty of players that I would love to have that are not on this list, right? That I wanted to put on this list. But the problem with the Jacksonville Jaguars that I mentioned with you is they don't have a lot of holes, right? In terms of starters. Like, I mean, I don't want to say I don't have a lot of holes, but starting wise, we pretty much know who the starters are. They need a few starters here and there. And a lot of the players that I really like, you know, like uh AJ Halsey, the the safety from LSU, who what I would love, just don't make sense, right? For a second overall pick. When we just drafted Caleb Ransall and we have Antonio Johnson, by the way, the top safety on PFF, by the way. We've never been able to say that, right? The best safety in the world, man. Um, but yeah, we we got guys like that that just wouldn't make sense in regards to drafting Halsey that high, right? Um, and then you have guys like um that I really like Keith Abney from uh the cornerback from Arizona State. Right. But you know, we just and shout outs to Buster for getting his big contract too, man. We just re-signed Buster and we already know that Travis Hunter is gonna be a starter at cornerback. And you know, just looking at it on paper and what we know about those two players, that's a good one-two punch, right? So drafting a Keith Abney there is like, are you getting the best out of that pick, right? Because at that point, you know, you're talking about a guy who's in a rotation or maybe having to play nickel if Keith if he can even do that. But all of that said, um, again, there were a lot of players that like you know you would love to have that I didn't put on this list, but you know, a lot of this list is kind of based on the is how I would best put it. So yeah, I'll say that. Um so yeah, you you want to go ahead and just start uh with number five here, um, and then we'll work our way up to one.

SPEAKER_01 20:18

Yeah, let's do it. Uh you're it looks like you're dipping into obviously your favorite university. Why don't you go ahead and talk about number five?

SPEAKER_00 20:26

Yeah, on our um on our little check sheet here, I got the University of Lores. I mean, it it is what it is, man. Y'all know how I feel about UF, but um, I will say this this young man is a very good player, Caleb Banks. Um, and the reason I didn't put him higher, a lot of it is um the injury uh history, right? He's got the broken foot. And the reason Caleb Banks would even fall to Jacksonville, first and foremost, is because of the injury, right? He, you know, they're saying he if you had to like, and none of us are doctors, but um I I think it's his fourth metatarsal on his foot that he injured that's gonna require surgery. So that'll take until about June for him to be back from. So he'll he'll probably be back for like mandatory mini camp or something like that, you know. But again, you know, everybody bodies like kind of healed differently. So we can't say for sure, but he would definitely probably be back for training camp. Um, but all of that said, um, Caleb Banks and the injury, and he didn't play a lot at UF because of the injury as well. Like that's so this injury history is kind of you know sketchy and it it makes you not want to go there. But when you see him and when the the few times that he has taken the field over the last year or so, it's been impressive. And what I mean by that, so he went to the senior bowl, right, Phil. And the kid looked unblockable. Right. Like, and that's when you started to see like, oh, that's why they uh say this kid could go for first overall, despite not playing a majority. Of the season last year at UF. And like he's going against some of the best in the SEC, he's going against some of the best around the country at the senior bowl. But he flat out looked unblockable, man. And you know, it's one of those situations like Miles Jack where not only does it fit a need right with the Jaguars needing an interior defensive tackle who can push the pocket and penetrate the pocket. But it's also a situation in a sense like the Miles Jack situation where if he falls to you in the second round, you just kind of have to roll the dice and grab him. You know what I'm saying? Because of what he could be. And that's kind of what the Jaguars, well, they I think the Jaguars are like traded up for Miles Jack, if I'm not mistaken. But, you know, our memory's a little foggy on that because we've been through a lot since then. But um all of that said, um, yeah, like he's just so talented in that regard and just look no further than like if you ever get a chance, Phil, just look at his senior bowl highlights and just how difficult it was to block him. Um you just kind of have to roll the dice because of what how the Jags have struggled in getting a push in the interior part of their defense. And he's exactly the guy that could provide that, you know, because otherwise, you know, if you remove the injuries from his history, the dude's probably going top 15, 20, you know, somewhere like that, give or take, if you remove the injuries from his history. Um, but again, you know, he's gonna have surgery, he's not gonna be available immediately. And then before that, he didn't play a lot of games at UF because of injury, so he might slide to us. I'm still doubtful, and that's why I put him at five, that he reach us in the second round. But if he does, then you know, you just gotta take that gamble if you're James Gladstone.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

Yeah, to kind of touch on what you were saying, uh, just you know, confirming, yeah, that was the fourth metatarsal in his foot, uh, suffered the injury a day prior to his combine workout. Fracture was discovered during a um uh team 30 visit um earlier in the month of March. Um, expected to make a full return to full football participation uh in June. 9.84. Uh do people say Raz score or is it RAS? What do people say in the draft world? RAS. Okay, I wasn't sure who who knows, but um uh yeah, uh a lot of uh you know, definitely a guy, like you said, that would uh drop to us because of that injury. Um looking here at some of the uh the positives here, of course, massive frame, burst off the snap, active hands, athleticism, and size allows him to line up all along the line. 20% win rate on true pass sets in 2024, can run through double teams where rare movement skills for his size. Um, but yeah, that injury. Uh the the I believe in the Matt Miller seven-round mock that he put out. Uh oh no, this is just a a three-round mock from uh from bold city from Big Cat Country. Um, and they have him going 28 to Houston. So yeah, we'll see. And and like you said, people can be totally completely thrown off and scared off by that injury. And so um, you know, it would be very interesting to see a guy of that caliber drop down to 56, but uh definitely something to keep an eye on. Um, but let's move on to number four here, Jay, where you uh move on to uh the opposite side of the ball with this selection.

SPEAKER_00 25:34

Yeah, I went with um Emmanuel Pregnon from Oregon, um, the only offensive player on this list, so I'll spoil that part of it. Um, and yeah, he's he's just a guy when you look at what the Jaguars have been saying, right, from the facility, Gladstone and Liam Cohen. It doesn't sound like, and this is why he's not higher on my list. It doesn't sound like the Jaguars think they need to take a starter on the offensive line. I would beg to differ on that, right? But that's why they get paid, and I don't, but um, I would beg to differ. Um, well, and look, this is not me saying our offensive line was bad last year. They they drastically improved from where they were, right? And you know, we we always had that conversation of like we need to protect our quarterback. You know, that was the conversation going into last season, and um, they did that a lot better, right? So, you know, I would rank them about a top 15 to 16 offensive line, right? Somewhere in their give or take. Whereas, you know, before that, we felt like they were in the back of the league somewhere, you know, like 28th, 30th, somewhere around there, give or take. Not the worst, but close to the worst. Um, but still, there is room to improve on this offensive line. That being said, even with Liam Cohen implementing his system, even with them playing better, even with them protecting Trevor Lawrence better, uh, even with Gladstone putting his imprint on this, because, and we don't talk about this a lot, right? Um, because we love James Gladstone and what he's done and the culture change that we've endured, and we love what Liam has done. We don't talk about this a lot, but let's face it, man, Patrick McCari was a bus of a free agency pickup, right? So while they would, and that's why I said they are saying that they, you know, and the things they're saying indicate that they don't feel like they need a starter on the offensive line necessarily. Um, but I could beg to differ. And Patrick Macari, you know, yeah, we're on the hook for a lot of money with him. Um, but in certain pregnant into this offense, man, when I looked at him, man, he's just a straight up role grader, man. Like you can tell, because of course, like their coach, um Dan Lennon, I think it is, uh, formerly of Georgia, he came from Georgia, so he got that Kirby Smart in him, right? You can feel the UGA in this kid, right? Like, you can feel like he's coach, even though he went to Oregon, he's coach like a UGA kid. Like, really want to block you past the whistle, put you in the dirt. He you can tell this is a kid that would not play about you putting your hands on Trevor Lawrence. And we talked about that before in the past, right, Phil. That's what we want. Like, we want somebody, like, if you put your hands on Trevor Lawrence, we want an offensive lineman who will snap on you. Um, this is a guy like very good at um advancing blocks, right? Um getting on the second level, making another block after making a block on the first level as well. Um, he's a guy that was a people mover. He moved, you know, defensive tackles with ease in in all of the games that I watched as well. Um, I liked his hand placement as well. Um, his hand placement seemed to be on point with all of the defensive tackles that were real like technical, savvy, right? He always seemed to find the right hand placement for the most part on them as well. Um, again, though, he's another guy that'll feel that you know, kind of in the same lens of um Caleb Banks, you have to wonder if he'll be there. Because the Jaguars don't pick in the top of the second round, they pick more so in the back of the first of the second round. So you have to wonder if he'll be there. That's why I didn't put him higher on this list. Um, but just the physical ability and the physical acumen that he has. Um while if you're Liam and James Gladstone, you might not feel like you need an offensive lineman. When you see this kid fall to you, again, you have to have that conversation like you would with Banks. Okay, he's not supposed to be here. We probably should take this young man. And it's not like taking him is a situation that we wouldn't get better from, right? You can instantly play uh replace McCari. You know, we'll deal with the dead cap, which you know, the guys from um the um I'm blanking on their um name, but they they the Rams podcast. One thing they told us is the Rams don't care about eating dead cap and you know all of that good stuff. So maybe James Gladstone will have a little bit of that in him if Pregnon fell to them. And um, yeah, this is a guy that I know that you know if we landed him, you know, our our running backs and Trevor Lawrence would be doing backflips about this edition.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

Yeah, another guy. And then you know what's funny is in this uh Big Cat Country mock draft, they have Cleveland taking him at 24 with our pick. Uh that would have been our first round pick here. Um, yeah, looking into the NFL.com breakdown of him, ultra durable and experience. Pregnant has the prototypical frame of a downhill blocker. He'll get beat to first contact, but usually reclaims the rep using well-placed hands, a broad base, and an uh upper body power to displace and finish with authority. Range and foot quickness are average as a move blocker and lead to block leakage against slants. In Pass Pro, he leverages his length well and is quick to detect twists and blitz development. Um, and then you know, you obviously talk about the over 3,200 career snaps with him as well. Only five pressures allowed in 2025. Uh yeah, definitely another guy that you would uh certainly, like you said, be I think be doing backflips if he did find his way uh into the uh somewhere into the second round. Seems like people have him kind of tiered in like the second tier of uh of interior offensive linemen here within this draft, uh, maybe even borderline first tier as well. But yeah, certainly like you said, Jay, there's you definitely don't take we we've talked about this on this podcast for years, you know, you definitely don't say no to more offensive line depth.

SPEAKER_00 31:34

Absolutely. No, and you know, a lot of his snaps are at left guard. Um, so you know, McCari plays right guard. So what you could probably do, and we talked about this in the past, you can you could probably take CVL and move CVL to right guard uh because he's the most versatile lineman in the league, you could argue. You know, um, but um you could put him at right guard and let um Pregnan play left guard if it's that big of a deal. But um a lot of times these guards can play both. I mean, I you know I don't think it'll be an issue for him. But if it is, you know, you could just you can move CVL over there and he could play left guard. But yeah, man, I would absolutely love it to have him. I mean, and another thing though, like that that has been mentioned, right? Liam mentioned this um at the I think he at the owner's meeting to one of the Jacksonville reporters, um, it might have been um Ryan O'Halloran. He mentioned like one of the things he wants to see get better is the run game. Well, you know, this kid falls to you. If that is your true mindset, you kind of you would have a hard time passing on him if you're Liam, you know. And then, you know, what comes into play is kind of the thing we mentioned, or you've mentioned a lot, is what happens when you know there's not a um conclusive route to go from Gladstone, Liam, and Tony Boselli. You know, like what if they are not all on the same page of who to take with that pick, right? Like he could pregnant may could, you know, cause a little bit of a conversation there, you know. But then again, I don't know. Like, you would have to think Liam would love it. You would think definitely Tony Boselli would love it as a former offensive lineman. He's gonna tell you to take an old lineman every time, basically. So, um, and then you know, like then again, um Gladstone might be down for it too, because you know, intangibly rich, so on and so forth. So I don't know, man. Like, I I would love that pick, although, like, the you know, we feel like what we need the most is to get a defensive player with this pick. But if this is the offensive player, I don't think any of us could be mad with this at all.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

No, definitely not. I would be very excited again to see somebody of his caliber falling to uh the portion of the second round uh that we will be selecting in. Um but yeah, Jay, uh let's move on to the top three here. Uh that as far as who you'd like to see the Jaguars target uh there in the second round with their first pick. Um and this one, uh again, back on the defensive side of the ball. So Pregnant was the only offensive player. Uh so who do you got here in the uh number three spot? And I I do believe he does have a I believe the J is silent, if uh if you're wondering as far as how to pronounce this player's name, I had to look it up myself. So it rhymes with Bacchus, if that helps.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

Uh yeah, it's Gabe Atkis, um, who um is um a guy went to University of Illinois, man, and he's just man, like he's 270 pounds to just get the F out of my way. You know what I'm saying? Like, um, in a in a sense, you see like some Trayvon Walker in him, probably not as athletic because Trayvon Walker like ran like a four-five with ease. You know what I'm saying? And we've seen like Trayvon Walker like chase quarterbacks down for 40 yards, non-stop, full speed. I forgot what game that was, but he he hauled the quarterback down like 40 yards, bro. It was crazy. Um, but yeah, no, Gabe Atkins, man, like I said, man, uh 270 pounds to get the F out of my way. And um also, you know, one one conversation we always have had on this podcast, at least as of recently, is you know, after Josh Hines Allen, after Trayvon Walker, you know, who's the next best pass rusher on this team? Like it's a big drop-off, right? And that's a problem. That's a problem for a team that wants to be in the Super Bowl, right? Um, you're gonna need a guy behind your two starters that could generate some pass rush for you. And Atkins can do that, man. He's versatile, uh, could put his hand in the dirt if you need it. He's done both. Um, he, you know, he can rush from two-point stance as well. So there is that as well. Um, and he's just a guy like Todd Mache put it best, man. Um, aside from like the violence and like um the the just the force that he plays with, man. Um when you look at him on film and the size and the weight six, four, two seventy, a lot of these guys are the guys that are successful in the NFL. Like you can pretty much say, like, he's got the size, he's got the motor with it, he's got the physical skills with it. He might not end up being like this elite player, but you're definitely gonna get a player that you look back at and say, that was not a bus, and this is a key contributor for our team. Um, I think Atkins could be that for us, man. And yeah, I just I just love the kind of the brute force and and the violence he played with, man. And he, you know, he could do a little bit of everything too, in a sense, not just of like being able to stand up and put his hand in the dirt too, but like, you know, he showed to me a variety of pass rush moves too, which you wouldn't expect for kind of a bigger pass rusher. You know, it was times where I saw him dipping under people, right? It was times where I saw him like flat out just using brute force to roll over a tackle. And I was kind of shocked by that. I was like, okay, like I see the versatility in his alignment and what he can do, but also the versatility in his skill set. Um, so I would be very happy for At because some people think he would be available there for us. Um, then there's some who think he'll go in the top of the first uh second round, excuse me. Um, but regardless, um, this is one of those moves where despite the Jaguars not getting a starter, you still feel like they'll get closer to winning the Super Bowl by acquiring him because they just need that guy behind Trayvon Walker and Josh Hines Allen because basically, again, and um, of course, we got um uh Dennis, Dennis, uh, I'm blanking on his name. Uh, but Dennis, the um the linebacker, uh, he's a pretty good pass rusher too. But in regards to on that defensive line, Atkas would be a big time addition um that I would really, really feel very good about despite the Jad or as not getting a like a starter out of the pick.

SPEAKER_01 38:07

Yeah, just a um, you know, a ton of experience in this guy, former team captain, uh, like you said, a lot of uh a lot of physicality on his tape as well. And um, you know, I think a a pick that is in terms of the just national audience would just come and go. But I think among it amongst uh you know, getting a little bit closer to the draft, hearing that name, I think would excite a lot of Jaguar fans that are in the know. And I think seeing how he plays as well would have people very, very excited, especially again having him just just adding him to the collection as far as next to uh you know Trayvon Walker and Josh Hines Allen and those guys has a I don't have his RAS score here in front of me. Looks like it did not come up, but um for in terms of the NFL uh.com draft profile, NFL comparison, Matthew Judon, uh well built with tremendous play strength and has the ability to play as hand down, as a hand down end or a stand-up edge. More rugged and and then more rugged than explosive and twitchy. He can hold his ground against power, but needs to do a better job at playing with discipline to set and contain his edge. Uh his pass rush plan lacks creativity, but features a good deal of force and leg drive to bully his way into the pocket once he opens up the tackle's edge. Um I think on this uh Big Cat Country mock draft. They he goes to boy 64 to Seattle, which would be a just a disaster for the league if uh if that were to happen. So um, yeah, definitely a guy that that really seems to uh like I think just one of those guys like you would just really love to see uh as part of your uh your as part of your franchise there. So um yeah, I like that pick a lot as well, Jay. Um but yeah, let's get into the top two. Uh this is next one is probably a name that people, myself included, have been hearing quite a bit. So who do you have listed at number two?

SPEAKER_00 40:03

Yeah, man, um very popular name amongst the Jazz fans these days, but Jacob Rodriguez, big surprise, right? Um from Texas Tech. Um and when you watch that Texas Tech defense in general, man, just just not just him, man, like just some ballers on that team. Hunter, right? Who we yeah, I probably should have put Hunter on this list because we need a defensive tackle. But um, you know, I he didn't make the list for the simple fact of like he may do a little bit too much of what Hamilton does, um, but he does have a pass rush ability, more of a pass rush ability than Hamilton does. But um also, too, I don't think Hunter would fall to us at this point. But back to Rodriguez, man. Um, yeah, man, he's just a guy like you know, he um at the senior bowl, you couldn't help but see the highlights of him, man. He's rarely, and um, I saw this in the scouting report too, and I couldn't really put it into words of how to put it, and they they summed it up perfectly. Actually, it's in the scouting report that I got linked here. Um, he's never flat footed, in other words, in coverage, right? Feel what that means is like his feet is always going and he's already he's always anticipating the route kind of already before the route is ran. And that gives him a good start on cutting the route off or taking the right angle and defending the route. So that was one thing that I I couldn't help but notice from him, man. It's like not only what he offers um in terms of the tackling ability, but just the coverage ability. Um, he has like it was an unseen amount of force fumbles. I have to pull it up here real quick that I was seeing. Yeah, 13 career force fumbles. You gotta think 10 over the last two seasons. Yeah, man. You you gotta think Coach Camp would love that because Coach Camp is always talking about turnovers, right, and attacking the ball and this, that, and the other. So he would definitely be a guy that Campanilly would like, of course. You know, uh, we did lose Devin Lloyd, you know. That's that's a big reason why we're seeing these linebackers mocked to us, like him, Jake Goldday from Cincinnati is another one you'll see quite often mocked to us as well, who's pretty like relentless downhill as well. But um, yeah, man, like this is like a guy that I can see Coach Camp, you know, because we do feel like Coach Camp probably's gonna get a job one day. Before he leaves, I can see him banging the table for this guy. Like, hey, get me this kid. I want the forced fumble ability. Um, that's kind of what like Devin Lloyd brought, not necessarily, well, yeah, forced fumbles too, but turnovers is what Devin Lloyd bought to the the offense or the defense, should I say? Rodriguez could bring that too, man. And um, yeah, man, he's just a guy that's just always all over the place, man. Like his size might concern a few people. That's probably why he would be available for us, you know. Like, he doesn't look um, even when I look at him on film, he doesn't look like what his measurables say, but you know, all of that aside, that's never scared this Jacksonville Jaguars current group, right? If you look at the um James Gladstone and the Rams' history, right? A lot of the Rams' history is they are the team, and they're not the only one, but they're known for this more than other teams. They're not scared to take the guy that don't fit measurables-wise, right? They're the total opposite of Trent Balkey. Aaron Donald, right, Phil? Aaron Donald was a guy people were saying, Oh, he's too short, right? Um, he he he doesn't have the size you would want. And look, he's a hall of famer, and he probably is the best, you know, defensive player to ever play for the Rams, arguably. Um, I think didn't Jack Jack Youngblood played for them? I think so. So he's in the Hall of Fame too, but that's before our time. So all of that said, um, yeah, like you can argue he's the best defensive player to ever play for him. And even like your guy, Braden Fisk, remember? That was the big thing with Braden Fisk. Arms too short, right? He won't be able to tack these linemen in the The NFL like uh he should be with those short arms. You know, Trent Balkey short certainly wouldn't touch him, right? But the Rams took him and look, he's balling out for the Rams, right? Good player for them. So I think we'll see that a little bit with Gladstone, like where he's not afraid to take the guy who everybody might have measurable questions about. And um, yeah, that being said, man, I would love to have Rodriguez on this team, man.

SPEAKER_01 44:23

Yeah, a guy that's definitely uh gonna garner um a lot of interest in terms of where he will end up going. Uh 9.60 RAS score. Um, and then again, another guy who was a you know team captain, um, a lot of physicality, uh high football IQ, was originally a quarterback at Virginia, which is crazy before he transferred out to Texas Tech. Um, I don't think that he put up any significant uh numbers or even I don't even know if he got any snaps in at QB over at Virginia. But still, I mean, and that that just shows the level of IQ if he was recruited to come in as a quarterback. It looks like they also used him as kind of just a general player to kind of float around as well. Uh, 50-year senior did have a foot injury that limited him, limited his games in 2023. So another thing to keep an eye on, again, along with that size. But yeah, Jay, this is you know, you asked me before we got started kind of what you know uh what I've been seeing or looking into in terms of who's been um associated with the Jaguars. And even though, like I said, I haven't had a whole lot of time to do so, this is the name that I see the most. I believe this is the player that um the uh that Jaguars wire has also mocked to us as well. And um, this is what oh no, this is the uh the Matt Miller uh mock draft. He he mocked Jacob Rodriguez to Jacksonville. Said Jacksonville needs a playmaking middle linebacker, and that's what Rodriguez does. He had four interceptions in 2025 and finished his college career with 13 forced fumbles. He's a heady downhill player who kept uh who captained the Texas Tech defense and is ready to be a green dot linebacker in the NFL. So yeah, Jay. A guy that uh another guy I think that would um not only be a really popular pick, but I could see people wearing a lot of Jacob Rodriguez jerseys in the stands as well. One of those guys I think that could become very popular very fast.

SPEAKER_00 46:19

And say it with me, Phil. Um, James Gladstone, favorite word, intangibly rich. That that's that's basically all you said in that summation. There you intangibly rich. That's that's Jacob Rodriguez. That's him. Um, so yeah, no, yeah, and I didn't even think about that. Yeah, he would be very popular. Um, and he that'll be a um good like investment, too, because you know he'd be here for five years at least, you know. Like we got this thing in Jacksonville where we buy somebody's jersey and they're gone, right? So I'm dealing with a little bit of that right now. Yeah, my ETN jersey hanging up in the in the room, man. But yeah, man, I would I would love to have him, man.

SPEAKER_01 47:01

Yeah, at least it's not an Andre Sisko jersey I have hanging in my face. Oh man. So Lord. Yeah, so well, uh you know, some people might be surprised, Jay, that Jacob Rodriguez is at number one. So who do you have at number one as far as players you'd like to see the Jaguars target in the second round?

SPEAKER_00 47:18

Yeah, I have somebody I I think would definitely be there. Um, but at the same time, like this is a guy, and you he's arguably the most popular mocked player to the Jacksonville Jaguars within our own fan base. Um, like a lot of pundits outside of Jacksonville don't necessarily mock some do, but they don't necessarily mock him to us. But a lot just about every Jaguars mock draft you pull up from a Jaguars fan is gonna have this name on it. And it's somebody I mentioned back in January before a lot of people were even on to him. Like I remember sending you guys stuff in the thread. I was like, this is him, we need him. And this is a guy who it almost feels like I've never felt this sense of urgency in terms of saying we gotta get that player, but this feels like a guy that we have to get because of how the offseason went, right, Phil. Um, because we weren't able to like have that maneuverability that you mentioned that we had and addressed something that we all knew going into free agency we needed to get, and that was a pass rush and defensive tackle. And we weren't able to get it. You know, we were talking about um Franklin Myers from the Broncos, who he broke the bank in terms of free agency. He made something crazy off of three years. I forgot what it was, but we certainly weren't gonna pay him that. You know what I'm saying? So it wasn't happening, bro. It just wasn't happening. Um, but Grayson Halton uh from the University of Oklahoma, you know, he was there under Brent Venables for for many, many years. Some people say he's undersized too, but guess who that won't scare away? James Gladstone. Right? He's not afraid of taking those players. But um he's a guy that when I looked at Halton, man, because I looked at a bunch of defensive tackles, and I think the problem with this defensive tackle class feel is it's got good depth, right? But too many of the defensive tackles feel more like Devon Hamilton, right? So that being said, like I started to try and find a defensive tackle that can help penetrate the pocket a little bit quick between the B gap or whatever gap, right? That can split the guard and the tackle. And Grayson Halton was the one that stood out to me the most in doing that, right? Just the quickness, um, the relentless motor, right? He's just his motor is non-stop, man. He'll chase you all the way, like any quarterback coming through Jacksonville and playing against us on that field, he'll chase them all the way to Orlando if he had to. He's just that type of a guy. Um, but yeah, you can tell, like he's very well coached by Brent Venables, quick. He gives you that speed off the ball that we don't quite have yet, right? In terms of what we need in terms of breaking and penetrating the pocket. And um, yeah, he's just a guy, man, like that, you know, all of the times I saw him in the backfield, man, I was like, this is a guy that I can see James Gladstone jumping on, and not only that, I can also see Coach Camp jumping on as well. Um, the only thing with Halton is this if you don't take him with that second round pick, he's he's garnered enough steam to the point where he won't be available in the third round. So you're kind of stuck in a rock in the hard place because you might have to overdraft him if you're the Jacksonville Jaguars. And when considering how dire their need is at defensive tackle, like that need for a three uh technique type of defensive tackle, I don't care. If you overdraft him, you overdraft him because I I have a hard time looking at all these mocks and looking at the and this is something we ran into in the issue in free agency field. When looking at how dry the market was for three technique defensive tackles in terms of free agency, it's kind of becoming clear that the league kind of has a three-technique defensive tackle issue where it's not a lot of them, right? And if you got one, you got goal. And that's why I'm okay with taking Grayson Halton with our second round pick. I'm cool with it. Um, now again, it might be a little bit, a little bit of an overdraft, not that much, but a little bit of an overdraft. Like you might be taking him five picks from where he would have originally been taken. Um, but he had a great senior bowl, um, looked unblockable too, kind of like Caleb Banks. He was like Caleb Banks, like him and Caleb Banks was just like killing it. It was some other defensive tackles killing it too. But they were two guys where like you could just tell, like, the quickness was getting the best of those offensive linemen. They just didn't know what to do with the quickness and they couldn't beat him to the point. Um, so that being said, man, like this is, I mean, he's my favorite player in the draft. And it is a lot of it is because we need a three-technique defensive tackle type badly. But also, too, I just love the way he plays, man. And he's been against that SEC competition, right? He's also proven himself against competition um just internationally or around the whole United States in terms of what he did at the senior bowl. So he's not just a guy that killed it against SEC competition, he's also killed it against some of the best in the United States. So I would love to have him, man. Um, I would be okay with taking him with our um second overall pick. But I mean, if we trade down a little bit and still get him and acquire another third-round pick, that could be an option too. Um, but yeah, man, I would be ecstatic about this. And I think like he's a guy that, you know, he would start immediately and also he would give the Jacksonville Jaguars defense that final like edge and piece that they need to get over the hump and be a Super Bowl team. I would love our chances to win a Super Bowl with Grayson Halton on this defense.

SPEAKER_01 53:07

Yeah, uh, like you said, a guy you've been talking about for for a few months now here, um, 8.34 RAS score. And he actually does show up, uh Jay, in Matt Miller's mock draft to Jacksonville, but not until pick 164, round five. So um, do you see him uh falling that far down as far as being available all the way in round five?

SPEAKER_00 53:34

Oh no, no, he made too much money for himself in the senior bowl.

SPEAKER_01 53:38

Like he before this mock went out yesterday, too, for Matt Miller. So it's interesting that he has him so far down.

SPEAKER_00 53:44

But no, I respect Matt Miller. Um, and um, I missed actually I missed their conference call today with ESP and respect the heck out of Matt Miller, but it's not happening. He made too much money for himself at the senior bowl. And like I said, the the NFL has a three-technique defensive tackle shortage. You know what I'm saying? Like that kid is not falling to the fifth round. Um look, for example, right, the team that lost John Franklin Myers, you got to worry about the Broncos. You got to worry about them taking him, right? When they're like a pick or two behind us in the second round, they might take him. Um, it's some other teams that I've seen. The Chicago Bears, they might take him. You know, they they could use a guy like that. It's uh it's a few other teams that are kind of escaping me right now. But um, like you'll be playing a very dangerous game if you expect that kid to fall to the fifth round. If he falls to us in the third, now that's that's phenomenal as it is. But the fifth man, you gotta still. And and I I do get it, like a lot of people do think he's undersized, so like that that might play into it. But again, with the lead shortage at what he does, uh he's going at at best. Uh we can get him, you know, if our luck is uh perfect, we can get him in the third round, but they may have to take him in the second if they do it.

SPEAKER_01 55:03

And listen, remember they have some maneuverability, right? They got some some extra late round picks. So if they do feel the need to go up and get him, you know, double dip in the second round, go up in the third round, they have the ability to do that. Um, and obviously they are not afraid to um spend capital in order to when they've identified somebody that they like. So yeah, that'd be very interesting to see uh what happens with him. Like you said, I think he'll he'll definitely be on a lot of teams' radars once that second third round uh comes about. But um, yeah, guys, those those uh are the five prospects that Jay has um circled uh to give you a recap. Number five, Caleb Banks from Florida, um, number four, um offensive lineman Emmanuel Pregnon from Oregon. Um, Edge Rusher from Illinois, Gabe uh Jackis. Um, sorry, Aka Akis. Yeah, go Akis. Uh, and then number two, Jacob Rodriguez linebacker, Texas Tech, and then number one, Grayson Halton from Oklahoma. So um, yeah, Jay, it's a good start. Um, like I said, with no first round pick, they're gonna be some names that aren't necessarily again being discussed as far as the uh you know in the national media, but these are five guys that would would uh exponentially raise, I think, the uh the floor and the ceiling for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Anything else you want to mention uh here as we get to the end of this episode?

SPEAKER_00 56:26

No, that's it. I mean, I had a few honorable mention guys, um, Jake Galladay, um Jake Golday, excuse me, who I already mentioned when I was talking about Rodriguez, another linebacker that kind of fits that intangibly rich mole plays downhill um with his hair on fire. Um, so there's another guy, and I think um in Demetrius' draft with Florida Times Union, that's who he had us taken. So he gives honorable mention. Um also Kristen Miller, uh UGA guy. Um, so crazy. I put a gator on here before I put a UGA guy on here. That's that's nuts. But anyway, um, yeah, Kristen Miller is another one who I almost put at that five spot. Um, I think with Miller, though, I think the thing is you're banking on a lot of potential, right? Like, we don't know what his potential is as a pass rusher. We know what he could do as a run stopper. Like, Kirby got him wired different in terms of stopping the run. But, you know, you you're kind of guessing if you take him and you need a pass rush because you kind of it's the unknown. Like, what are we gonna get out of this kid as a pass rusher? He does have the ability um to be a good pass rusher, but um, I just left him off for that reason. Um, I almost put him on at five, but yeah, those are the honorable mention, guys. But nothing else really, man. I'm just glad to be talking about the draft again, glad to be back recording again because it had been a while and you do get that itch. Um, the talk that Jacksonville Jabuars, and yeah, man, can't wait to get back at it and maybe get some guests in here in the future.

SPEAKER_01 58:00

Yeah, like you said, we're only a few weeks away from the draft. Um, we obviously plenty to discuss here um as we get closer and closer to that date. I wonder how they're going to do the draft party this year. Don't they usually shut it because they're oh yeah, because obviously we don't have a first-round pick, so I wonder if they're still going to have people out somewhere. Remember, last year it was at uh what Lemon Bar. I wasn't gonna entertain that whatsoever, but you know, you know, maybe they'll do it somewhere else in town uh this year. Uh obviously the see the stadium's not gonna be available for quite some time, but it'll be interesting to see what they do since you know we don't pick till day two. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 58:41

Yeah, like uh, you know, like you you gotta think of a place with the um space and the infrastructure to do it. Um I'm not sure what they will do. I mean, I think they still should do something because you know, we can still get a very good player in the second round, man. And um, you know, the community uh too much of being away from the Jacksonville Jaguars is a bad thing for the community, right? We start getting that itch, man. Um, so I mean, uh a little small draft party, even if it's for a second round pick, would do the community a lot of justice, man. Like a lot of people would attend, I think. Um, but yeah, I think of course, like they'll start informing us of like what the plans could be around that time. But um, yeah, man, you gotta find a unique place to do it. I don't know like what they got in mind.

SPEAKER_01 59:30

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if uh once those emails start going out if they have anything planned. But um, yeah, folks, uh again, it was uh fun to be back here uh and um back in the studio and doing these episodes as we uh have just uh you know a different level of anticipation and um excitement for the team uh than we've had, even in the past years, even in the 2017 year, even after the playoff run with Doug Peterson, you know, even though that was all that was all crazy as well, um, because of who is in charge, uh there is a tangible difference as to what is going on here this season. And, you know, wouldn't in a year we wouldn't typically be excited about us of having only, you know, start not starting the draft until the second round. Uh this is a year where you're you're very, very excited to bring in a new guy that can very much um, like I said, increase and and heighten your ceiling and your your floor and your ceiling uh when it comes to your your off your roster. So uh Jay, anything else you want to mention to our audience before we wrap up this episode, episode 139, and get back to it.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:31

Nah, that's all I got, man. It was great getting back in the booth, of course. You know where to follow us at sportsgrind underscore done at feel the Filipino on Twitter. Um, and you know where to um find a podcast in terms of on Apple Music, Apple Podcasts, should I say, excuse me, Spotify, you name it, we'll have it all linked in the description.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:52

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