{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":4.0,"endTime":5.82,"body":"Welcome to Dula Tips and Tits,"},{"startTime":6.2,"endTime":9.08,"body":"the podcast where we cut through the noise and get real"},{"startTime":9.08,"endTime":11.88,"body":"about what it takes to build a sustainable doula business."},{"startTime":12.56,"endTime":13.58,"body":"I'm Kaylee Harrod."},{"startTime":13.9,"endTime":18.4,"body":"I've been a doula informally for 14 years and full time for"},{"startTime":18.4,"endTime":18.8,"body":"seven."},{"startTime":19.38,"endTime":21.14,"body":"Around here, we don't sugarcoat stuff."},{"startTime":21.54,"endTime":23.64,"body":"We talk autonomy, owning your worth,"},{"startTime":23.84,"endTime":25.54,"body":"creating a business that works for you."},{"startTime":26.1,"endTime":27.7,"body":"No fluff, no burnout,"},{"startTime":27.8,"endTime":31.38,"body":"just the honest truth on how to be your own best boss."},{"startTime":32.08,"endTime":33.48,"body":"Let's get into 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