0102 How I Healed Depression & Anxiety Using Mind-Body Healing

In this episode, Alisha shares her journey through depression, anxiety, and suicidal thoughts, and how years of searching for answers left her feeling hopeless and exhausted.

At her lowest point, when she finally stopped searching for external solutions, something unexpected happened — everything began to shift.

After attending a talk that deeply resonated with her, Alisha was introduced to the world of mind-body healing and subconscious work. What followed was a powerful transformation that changed not only her mental health, but her relationships, purpose, and life direction.

Today, she is a mind-body mentor, helping others uncover and release subconscious blocks, emotional pain, and limiting beliefs.

✨ In this episode, you’ll learn:

•  The connection between mental health and the subconscious mind
•  Why traditional approaches didn’t work for her 
•  How mind-body healing can help with depression and anxiety
•  Practical steps to start your own healing journey 
•  How to release emotional blocks and find inner peace 

If you’ve ever felt stuck, overwhelmed, or like nothing is working — this conversation may give you a new perspective on healing.

💬 Comment below: What has helped you most in your healing journey?
 🔔 Subscribe for more real stories and powerful mental health conversations.

Transcript

Emotional Roots Behind Illness

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Every physical symptom or illness, it has an emotional underlying root cause. My dad was bipolar, so he would have a lot of like episodes, and so the cops would come to our house a lot. I would just stay really small, and I was this really quiet, obedient, shy kid.

SPEAKER_00 0:20

How to heal from depression.

SPEAKER_02 0:21

I was still having suicidal thoughts. People could dictate my mood, and that was what I was the most afraid of, because that's what triggered my depression.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

So you mentioned that you are sort of able to go like tap into source for your clients and sort of tell them things about their past and their lives.

SPEAKER_02 0:37

The main reason you're not healing is because you are resisting what you're feeling. I healed from depression probably like five years ago. All you need to do is just get out of resistance, and your body already knows how to process emotions.

SPEAKER_00 0:49

Alicia, welcome to Multispector. I'm so excited to have you on air with us today.

SPEAKER_02 0:53

Thanks for having me.

Childhood Fear And Staying Small

SPEAKER_00 0:55

I love interviewing people sometimes with the expert sort of background. You know, typically we do have people who share their personal stories and their journeys, but it's I feel like it's really important also to offer sort of insight, expert insight into how people can heal from their own traumas and their own like experiences as well. So this is gonna be one of those, I think, really insightful, and I can't wait to hear about some of the great tools that you'll be able to offer to our listeners today. But if you could just sort of begin from the very, very beginning, like talk to me about your childhood. Like, who is Alicia?

SPEAKER_02 1:27

I don't know. I feel like a lot of people must have had it harder than me, but it definitely felt like I never felt peace, like I was always afraid of something. Like my dad was bipolar, so he would have a lot of like episodes, and so the cops would come to our house a lot. Like it was always a different person that would call the cops, like at some point we all felt unsafe. Um, not like he ever did anything like super harmful or anything, like he never like hurt hurt any of us or anything, but he would just throw things and get really angry when he'd have his episodes. And I don't know if you've ever dealt with someone bipolar, but they just do things that make you feel like really scared and like really unsafe. Um, and then my mom was like really suppressing everything that she was feeling, like she was dealing with a lot, but she just like acted like she was fine when like there's no way someone going through all of that would be fine, you know? And then my sister had like narcissistic qualities, so I quickly learned like she doesn't like when I get attention. So I would just stay really small, and I was this really quiet, obedient, shy kid growing up. I was just like, keep the peace, it was so important to me to keep the peace.

SPEAKER_00 2:35

I feel like this is very common among like Asian Indian families where we're being we're often, and I say we because I'm Indian myself, but we're being told to keep the problems within and within the family, within the four walls, and like deal with the problems just kind of quietly, and we have to stay together regardless. Like your your personal mental health comes second to the family in a sense, and you know, you could be having mental breakdowns, but we just have to stay together. Staying together holds precedence over kind of everything else. Is that something you can relate to in a sense?

SPEAKER_02 3:06

Yeah, it was like you can't bring shame on the family, so you can't talk about this outside the family, but it's like I don't feel safe talking to any of you, and so I actually don't remember ever talking to anyone ever about what I was going through growing up. Like I would deal with this, these super scary things, like cops would be at my house one day, and then the next day I'd go to school, like everything was fine, and I'm pretty sure I didn't even tell my friends or anyone, and so I just kind of learned to process things on my own within. I think that's why I'm such a self-reflector. Like, I took this communication test recently that said my go-to form of communication is called imagination, which pretty much means you just self-reflect so much to the point where you don't even feel the need to communicate with someone in order to like understand or process anything. Like you just within yourself learn, okay, this is what I need, this is what the learning experience was, this was what the other person was feeling, and this is what they needed from me. And you just like do it all within without ever having to talk to another person.

SPEAKER_00 4:05

Would you say that that's like healthy, or was that healthy for you looking back on it, or like now, even?

SPEAKER_02 4:10

Um, I think I think knowing how to process your own emotions is amazing because like sometimes other people just don't know what you need, and it takes a while for them to learn what you need, and maybe not everyone is willing to learn that. Um, but I do feel like when you have a partner, that that's where it would be important and actually feel kind of nice to let someone hold space for you because you can actually process your emotions faster when someone is holding space for you than when you're just doing it for yourself.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

What did it do for your sort of concept of like friendships growing up? See, in a sense, you would say, I've got a bunch of these people that I call my best friends, but in actuality, they they they don't know anything about my life. So, how do how do you define friendship and best friendships?

SPEAKER_02 4:55

Yeah, you know, it's weird, like I've had so many best friends in my life, but like I don't think that I was just throwing the word around. It's like they were we were so close, and I think you're the only person that's ever asked me this. Like, how did I have those super close connections if I wasn't telling them what I was going through? And so they must have been surface level growing up, but like as a kid, I I think I was fine with that. I didn't really have values then. I didn't, I wasn't as deep as I am now. We're like, that's just not possible now. Like, I need I need some more depth now. I can't have surface level relationships now.

SPEAKER_00 5:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:28

Uh yeah, so it's it's so different now.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

And what would you say in terms of like the vulnerability aspect? You know, are you able to sort of be vulnerable with your friends and with your partners, um, with your family even today, or is that something you're still kind of working through?

SPEAKER_02 5:44

The expression piece is something I'm working through. And like you're asking me at the perfect time because I I went through something with my best friend recently that was so triggering that really had me feel like what is so scary about expressing myself? Like, why do I tend to want to avoid conflict to the point where like I'm okay to lose the relationship rather than have the conversation? Like, that's how scary it is to me to express myself. And I realize like it's I'm I was so afraid of the person getting defensive, essentially, like I'm not being received. Like I finally get the courage to express how I'm feeling, and then it's not received, it's somehow shut down or not validated, or like they don't say something kind or loving or compassionate, like, or that the fear is that they will trigger me and disrupt my peace. But then I started to realize like it's not actually possible for someone to disrupt my peace because it's unconditional. And so going through this experience with my best friend recently, it just reminded me of that. Like, I always talk about how peace is unconditional, but I just proved it to myself even more fully because I was like, even though this is triggering, like talking to you about this, now that I actually have my mind-body tools and I sit and process that like that anxious feeling about having the conversation, I'm only upset for like an hour or less. And so it doesn't ruin my day, it doesn't ruin my week the way that it used to before I had these tools. Like, oh my god, I would people could dictate my mood, and that was what I was the most afraid of because that's what triggered my depression, actually, was dating someone who was just constantly triggering my mood because he had anxiety, and so then I I essentially learned don't express yourself because if you make him anxious, he will leave you. And so all of that fear was coming up recently when I was dealing with this issue with my best friend. So I feel like I went through like a boot camp this past month on like processing this fear of expressing myself and getting ready for like a partner and like a really close connection.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

Yeah. What I'm hearing from this is like it's really interesting because like you were operating from a baseline of fear from from that inner child crying for um that love and support that maybe you felt lacked growing up. In a sense, not that you lacked the love and support from your parents, it was just that the turbulent environment at home made you feel like you had to make yourself small. You know, you were not feeling that from your sister, your mom was so wrapped up in all of the things that were going on. And so you were not given that consistent love and safety uh space, and then fast forward later you move into this relationship, and you're operating from that place, hence why you go into this state of depression and fear. Um, but what I'm also hearing is that this growth process for you is now that you're operating from that baseline of hey, like there's peace, there's always gonna be peace. That's one of the things that no one's gonna really ever be able to shake, that foundation, and so everything kind of just piles up from that baseline, and so it just sort of makes it so much more rewarding in a sense.

SPEAKER_02 8:39

100%, yeah. And like I've been feeling this way for a while. Like, I I healed from depression probably like five years ago, so I have been feeling this unconditional peace this entire time, but also I wasn't in a serious relationship for that entire time. So I feel like, yeah, I've healed so much, but there was still this peace I needed to heal because when I had depression, I think there there was like two kind of root causes, and I really only focused on healing the one now that I look back on it. So the root causes were that I was suppressing my emotions because I didn't want this person to leave me, but then I also wasn't expressing it either, so I was like not asking for what I needed and I was acting like I was fine, and so I never ever suppressed my emotions anymore because I realize it creates illness and it's just like a value of mine now, like and it sucks. And you're like, if you're so sensitive, you can't suppress your emotions, like it hurts. So I never suppress my emotions anymore. But I have I do this thing where I'm like, okay, well, if I've already processed it, why do I need to talk to you about it? And then I don't express it. And so that was what was coming up this month. That I think my body is trying to get me ready for a partner because like you will need to express it when you when you have a partner, like maybe with everyone else, you don't feel like you need to talk about it. Well, with a partner, it's different.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

Why so? Why is it that you feel like you do need to express it with a partner and if you can process it on your own?

SPEAKER_02 10:45

Okay, the reason I think that is because a lot of the reasons that you even want a partner in the first place is because you want someone who's there for you when you're going through something, right? Like that's that's the that's such a big part of it. So then why would I just go through it all on my own? I actually want to express myself to him so that I have someone who will learn what I need when I'm upset, and maybe it actually will I'll process things faster with his help, I'll grow faster, and vice versa, and I'll feel more connected. And I do feel like to have an intimate connection that these things they can't just be like not talked about. I feel like when you talk about them, it actually deepens your intimacy.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

Can you walk me through what were the kind of uh revelations for you and how did you heal from this depression?

SPEAKER_02 11:30

So the revelations it I didn't I didn't see it until way later. Like it took five years, four to five years for me to heal from depression, and I did not see the correlation for the first like four years that it was because of the relationship I was in and because he had anxiety that that was the reason that was the trigger, essentially, right? Like I didn't I didn't realize, oh, I I started having depression the moment I started dating him, and why is that? And only now looking back, I realized it was because I I just learned like really quickly, if I make him anxious, he will leave me, and he did prove that to me. Like the rare few times that I was ever upset and showed it, he broke up with me, and then he would leave and come back and leave and come back, and so that's you know, essentially what triggered it. And so eventually I learned that the root cause for me, and honestly for anyone that has depression, is just a suppression of emotions. And I know a lot of people will say, well, no, it's like a chemical imbalance, or it can be because of your circumstances or things like that. But I'm like a chicken before the egg kind of person, like that your consciousness is creating your entire reality. So what is it about your inner state, your thoughts and emotions that are causing this? And then maybe, yeah, that then leads to you having a chemical imbalance and then attracting things in your life that match your inner state. So they're therefore you think it's your circumstances that are making you depressed.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

But in a sense, you're what you're saying is like the physiology aspect comes after the psychological aspect.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

Yes, exactly. That's what my body medicine is essentially saying that every physical symptom or illness is it has an emotional underlying root cause. And yeah, when I had depression, I quickly learned that nothing external could make me feel better. Because I tried. I think that's almost the first thing that everyone tries is I'm going to just change my outer circumstances so that I feel better. So like let's move somewhere, or let's stay really busy, let's let's get a new hobby, let's try to get a new relationship, let's travel more, all this kind of stuff. And then I realized like even when you do all those things, you don't feel better because it actually has nothing to do with your outer circumstances.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

So it was like that initial realization for you that no matter what it is that you change on the outside, the internal chaos still lies within, and it was kind of always ready to bubble and boil and and kind of pop when you whenever something triggered it, basically. How did that kind of realization come to you? I know you mentioned that you know you'd broken up and maybe for a while you'd realized that you were feeling a little bit better, but then you kind of went back into it, or was it a bunch of other things too?

SPEAKER_02 14:08

Okay, so like I had depression for the two years that we were in the relationship, but then I still had depression after the relationship was over. So that was already evidence that he wasn't the problem. Like he was the trigger to show me what was going on inside of me, but like he he wasn't the reason I had depression. I still had it when he wasn't there anymore. So that was one thing. And then also, like at that time period of my life, I was working as an engineer, like, had a really great job, had more money than I could ever need. I had I was living in this beautiful home, I had so much freedom, I had close friends, like on the I had a loving boyfriend for part of that time period. So like it was just very clear that like even when it looks like you have it all, it's not enough. Um, but the real turning point for me was actually there's this spa I wanted to go to forever for like the longest time, and then I finally went to it, and then when I was there and I was like sitting in the hot tub, and like you can see the mountains and the snow, and it was like such a beautiful moment, I was still having suicidal thoughts, and so it made me think like, if this moment isn't worth living for, what is like what if I finally am doing something that I've always wanted to do and it didn't bring me any joy at all, like I don't know what will. And that was the turning point for me. And weirdly enough, one of my friends had the exact same experience. Like, she wanted to go to this exact same spa, and then she went there, and she was also having suicidal thoughts when she was there and like thinking the same thing as me. Like, wow, I've always wanted to go here. No, it's like a beautiful place. I've been there a million times after now that I feel from depression, and like, oh my god, it's so beautiful, and I have the best time. And then I tried the conventional route for a while, like, went to the doctor, they put me on antidepressants, and they had me seeing a psychologist and a psychiatrist and doing cognitive behavioral therapy, but I still was not feeling any better, and they made me feel like something was wrong with me. They're like, Well, this is what we do with people like you, and like this is all we know how to do, and so just keep trying and just keep changing the medication, increase the dosage, and and like it's like they weren't hearing me, and so I was like, Hey, well, I have to look elsewhere because this is not working, and so then I started trying unconventional things, like I was so desperate to heal that I was like, I'll try anything. So that's when I started being more open to trying other things. Like, I started with acupuncture, and then I tried hypnosis, and then I was trying EFT and EMDR, and I was even willing to try like cryotherapy, like when you're in a liquid nitrogen tank, because that was supposed to like boost your mood and stuff. Like, I was like, I'll try anything, but I still wasn't feeling better, and so then I actually went through I went through a period of contemplating suicide, but then also quickly realized that that wasn't something I was gonna go through with. So then after that, I was like, okay, I actually think I've tried everything because I was spending so much money every month trying everything I could find, googling how to heal from depression, click every single link, going to the second and third pages, trying everything. And so I really thought that I tried everything and there was nothing else I could do, and I knew I wasn't gonna take my life. So then I would I went back to distracting and I just like took a job where you work 12 to 16 hour days because I was like, I don't know what else to do, and I just hope that maybe one day something will change and I just need to like hold like hold on for longer kind of thing. Um but then what happened when I took that job, I stopped trying all healing modalities. So I went from this desperate, like try a million things, I'm so desperate to heal, to nothing at all. No more healing, no more practitioners, no more nothing. And there was something about when I did that that there was this softening, like I released this desperate frantic energy, and I was no longer sending this message to my body like something's wrong with you. I need to fix you, I need to like reject you and reject these emotions. So there was this tiny little opening. Like I obviously hadn't healed yet, I was still distracting, but there was this little opening that for some reason now synchronicities started opening up for me, and then that's when I found my mentor who shares a lot about mind body medicine, and when I heard her speak, I was like, I'm working with you. And then I did her DIY course and I healed from depression just by doing her DIY course, and then from there, obviously I've I've healed so many other things, mental and physical illness, and now I teach mind body medicine, and I would have never thought like that's where I would be, and I would go from engineering to this, but it just like synchronistically happened for me. I think the second that I I maxed out on everything else. Because I don't think that most people are willing to look within and take full responsibility for the fact that they on some level created their illness until they've maxed out on everything else.

SPEAKER_00 18:50

I think that's really interesting. You know, this kind of does seem to be quite a running theme for a lot of people in their lives, is like that moment that they just kind of put their hands up and say, you know what, I'm just gonna let it let the universe sort of unfold it for me. I'm just not, I'm just tired of and this can be for people looking for relationships. I've had so many friends of mine who were like, you know, I just went on so many dating apps and went on so many dates and met so many men and just exhausted myself to the point where I almost started like hating the idea of dating, just kind of doing it for the sake of doing it. And I just kind of like decided that I was gonna just stop dating, and then I went out and this perfect man just like walked into my life. And I guess synchronicities works work in just wondrous ways that the universe is kind of just like has a way of giving you a little bit of like ray of a ray of sunshine in the moments where it just gets too hard to be human.

SPEAKER_02 19:38

Yeah, when you surrender, I notice that that's when you see it, and when you don't trust and you're controlling, then you don't see any opportunities.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

For you, it was almost like giving up from all of the exhaust like from exhausting yourself, you know, trying these different healing modalities. Um how what would you recommend though to someone else who's just right now, probably desperately looking? You know, probably someone right now will be typing how to heal from depression, I am depressed, and then come across this video, right? Um, what what can you say to them right now that are just currently in that state of mind?

SPEAKER_02 20:14

The main reason you're not healing is because you are resisting what you're feeling. So maybe self-reflect on what you're doing that is resisting. So even though you think you're trying to heal by maybe searching and working with a practitioner or something, or like whatever you think you're doing that's helping you, ask yourself like where is it coming from? Is it truly to nurture yourself and have compassion for yourself, or is it to reject this part of you? Because your body can tell the difference between unconditional love and conditional love. So if you're only doing something and there's conditions on it, like, okay, I'm giving myself presence and I'm trying breath work and I'm trying meditation because I heard that it works, but if I don't see results right away, I'm gonna stop giving myself presence and attention. Like that's not going to heal you because your illness is here to actually completely change your operating system. The way you think, the way you carry yourself, what you believe, because there's something about it that wasn't serving you. And so you're not meant to just go back to the way you're currently living your life and just like take a pill, have a few sessions, and then you're done. Like you'll know when you've healed because you don't think the same anymore, you don't abandon yourself anymore, like it's feel so unconditional, like it's not based on something outside of you. Um, so I would say to that person, be more willing to feel what you're feeling with compassion. Just try to think, how can I have compassion for the part of me that's feeling like so hopeless that like you want to end your life and you think there's like just nothing that's gonna work, and you just can't live another day like this if you just have compassion for that part of you. Because I bet you you probably haven't tried that yet.

Mind Body Tools For Healing

SPEAKER_00 21:55

Yeah, I love that. Okay, talk to us now about mind-body healing because this is like I I know that we're leading into it, but I want to know like dark exactly what is it and how does it work.

SPEAKER_02 22:04

Yeah, it's essentially saying that your mind and body are connected, so your thoughts are affecting your health.

SPEAKER_00 22:11

Right.

SPEAKER_02 22:11

So it's not just your thoughts, it's your state of consciousness. I don't know if you've ever heard of Dr. David Hawkins or Red Power versus Force, but if you haven't, you could just Google the human scale of consciousness and you'll see this scale of emotions that they essentially measured how how much power you can access depending on what emotion you're feeling. That's essentially what it's saying. So as you move up on the scale, you access more power. And well, the first time I ever looked at that, I saw where willingness. And acceptance were, and it was like really, really high. Like it was above shame, fear, apathy, guilt, anger, all these things. So I was like, oh, I wonder if I could just be more willing to feel what I'm feeling. And that would kind of be like a quantum jump, or just accept it more. And so that's what I started with. Like that was kind of my goal. But then I realized if you actually just jump straight to love, which is like really high on the scale, which is apparently your natural state, love, joy, peace, you jump straight to giving yourself love and compassion, that's the real quantum jump. And that's what really dissolves the other emotions. And then you naturally move up on that scale into your natural state, which is love, joy, and peace. So mind-body medicine essentially means the current problem that's showing up in your life, if it's an illness or someone treating you poorly, a lack of money, lack of purpose, like whatever it is, you are a match for it. Your state of consciousness is a match for it. So your consciousness is creating your entire reality, and that's why it's just like a mirror. And so with Mind Body Medicine, my only goal is to get you even 2% into a higher consciousness where you're no longer an energetic match for these problems. And then what happens is either the problems just go away, or now the solution comes in that's a match. So that's when, like, if there is something that would physically support you, now it comes in and it's like so light and so resonant and such an obvious choice that like there's no way you'd be able to say no to it. It's it's a hell yes. So that's essentially how I help people heal. It's just we're increasing your consciousness, and how we increase your consciousness is by dissolving the dense emotions and limiting beliefs that you're carrying.

SPEAKER_00 24:25

And how is that done? Is it through therapy or is it some kind of like Reiki style thing? Or you know, is there you know, what is the actual act of doing that? Like how do you what do the sessions look like, for example?

SPEAKER_02 24:34

Yeah, so we use different mind body tools. So like they're super simple. Like, okay, my go-to mind body tool, I call it the ABC tool. It's awareness, breath, conscious choice. So the first step, awareness, is you need to bring more awareness to what you're feeling and experiencing rather than less. Because essentially, your body already knows how to process emotions. You just need to stop resisting and you need to soften your body more and allow your body to work as it's designed. You need to get into your parasympathetic nervous system state, essentially, like the rest and digest state where your body already knows how to heal itself. We just need to get you out of fight or flight, I guess is a simple way to put it. So, really simple tools to do that. So, awareness and then breath, right? Because we don't want you breathing into your chest because that activates fight or flight. We want you breathing in your belly, and then conscious choice. Conscious choice is kind of like an affirmation, or just like having higher picture awareness, or just like choosing something lighter, like I choose to be easier on myself, or I choose to relax my body, or I choose to feel peace now. But honestly, part C is the least important part of the equation because, like I said earlier, your natural state is love, joy, and peace. So as long as you are welcoming your the emotions you're currently feeling, they will dissolve, and then underneath it, you're actually just going to naturally feel peace when you're feeling less fear. You're gonna feel more love when you dissolve shame, you're gonna feel more joy when when you dissolve all these other emotions like hopelessness and stuff. So that's my go-to mind body tool. And then I also use theta healing, which is kind of like hypnosis, but essentially with like no guesswork, where you're get getting into a theta brainwave state, and we get we ask for like what's the bottom belief, we pull the bottom belief and then we replace it with a new program. So essentially reprogramming your subconscious mind, and yeah, but in a different way. Like I've tried so many different modalities, like I tried hypnosis and it it just really frustrated me to be honest. Um, but theta healing doesn't because the client doesn't have to hold the theta brainwave state or need to know how to do that, and the client doesn't need to like remember what happened in their childhood or their past life or whatever, it's uh it's the practitioner that's doing all that, that's holding you in the theta brainwave state and getting the information. So I really only like working with intuitive practitioners now because I'm really tired of the guesswork. I think that was something that I really hated about what I was trying before is that when I would work with practitioners, they would try to get me to remember what happened in my childhood and I couldn't remember. And so then I remember like reaching out to my nanny to ask, because I was like, I really don't remember, so let's see if she remembers. And then she didn't respond back to me. So I feel like that was the universe's way of being like, you don't have you don't have to know, you don't have to remember because you're carrying the emotion in the now. So as long as you don't resist it in the now, you can heal it in the now without ever knowing where it came from or remembering where it came from.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

That's really interesting. Because that that was gonna be my next question to you about like, you know, the importance of of really getting to the absolute root of the problem, which is, you know, where your childhood has, you know, your childhood and where you initially learned those feelings or you you associated certain things and these concepts, for example, like individuals that may have constant fear of abandonment, maybe because they were abandoned in their childhood. And so understanding that point in which they went through that abandonment moment that kind of sinked so deep into their soul that they have chosen to their to base their entire lives off, um, is a lot of I think for like EMDR and stuff, they really focus on going back to that point and then rewiring that story, that narrative, in order to be able to move on. So there is no aspect of tapping into your childhood in this modality.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

No, there is, there is. Um, okay, so there's let's do it two ways. Okay, so mind body medicine and theta healing are the two modalities that I combine. And mind body medicine is essentially saying that when you dissolve the emotions, the thoughts go along with it. The beliefs go along with it. So if all you do is welcome like the shame or the fear or whatever, then the limiting beliefs that are going along with it, like I'm gonna be abandoned if I don't do this, this, and that, that's making you feel the fear or making you feel the shame. They the thoughts just go away on their own without you ever knowing what they were.

SPEAKER_01 28:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:59

And then with theta healing, it's the opposite, but essentially it's doing the same thing. We're asking, you can call it creator consciousness, universal source consciousness, whatever, wherever you believe everything's created from, creation energy, we're asking where did this start? And then the creator tells you, okay, what happened in your childhood, or actually, this is just from your ancestral line, this isn't even your belief, it's your caring your mom's belief, or this is actually a past life thing, and this is what happened, and the creator tells you exactly what it is. So you don't even have to guess. And the creator will even tell you, this is the exact belief you need to pull, and this is the exact belief you need to replace it with, and there's no guesswork. So, yes, there is a component to getting to the root and then um downloading the learnings from that moment and teaching you that it's over and complete and that you can move forward. Um, but it's just doing it in a way that has no guesswork.

SPEAKER_00 30:30

Interesting. It kind of sounds like Akashic Records in a sense.

SPEAKER_02 30:34

It's very similar, similar, yeah. Yeah, very similar.

SPEAKER_00 30:36

Um so this creator, that voice of the creator, is that something that is the client has to find within themselves, or is it like you as a practitioner can also communicate with their creator?

SPEAKER_02 30:47

So the practitioner connects with what we call the seventh plane of existence, which you can just call that like wherever you believe everything's created from. Okay, so that's where we go to and we do like a meditation to get there, but only the uh the practitioner has to do it, the client doesn't have to do it, but then the practitioner will ask you for permission. Like, do I can I connect with you in the seventh plane? And then if the client gives you permission, you are connected in the seventh plane, and then they immediately are in a theta brainwave state. And then the client doesn't have to do anything from there. The client doesn't need to be intuitive, the client doesn't need to be able to hear information, the client doesn't even need to stay in a meditative state and keep their eyes closed. They could actually keep their eyes open the entire time, write notes, like they're just in a theta brainwave state because the practitioner is in a theta brainwave state and you have given them permission to connect with you in the seventh plane. I know this sounds so woo-woo and weird and like doesn't make any sense. Um, but it is literally the most powerful form of healing that I have found, and so like I can't deny it. I can't deny that, like, okay, for example, like I had eye floaters in the left side of both of my eyes where I couldn't see, and then my eye doctors were telling me like you're gonna have to live with this for the rest of your life, and then I had one theta healing session, and then I could see again, and then it's never come back. Or, like, like this happens to me all the time. Sometimes I only need five minutes of theta healing, and then I heal something and it never comes back. And so I just can't deny how powerful it is. I just might word it differently to people that think it's woo-woo. Like, I'll just be like, oh, it's like hypnosis, you know? Yeah, and we don't have to, they don't have to know that we're connecting with God or the creator, you don't have to be spiritual, you don't have to be religious. If you understand that when you're in a slow brainwave state, that it's that's where you reprogram your mind, maybe that's all that's the only way that I will word it to you, and that's what we're doing, right? And you're just working with someone intuitive enough to know these things without having to ask you what happened in your childhood, etc. Like they're just intuitive enough to know. And if if someone doesn't believe in intuition, then yeah, they'll never be open to a modality like this, and they're really gonna miss out.

SPEAKER_00 32:49

Yeah, yeah. So you mentioned that you are sort of like able to go like tap into source for your clients and sort of tell them things about their past and their lives, which kind of gives a good indication for for them to really see the power of this.

SPEAKER_02 33:02

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, me myself, I've taken like seven theta healing courses, which is still a lot, but there's people that have taken all of them that are like way better than me. So I bring those practitioners into my community because mind body medicine is really my strong suit. And so there's like monthly sessions that they have with the Theta Healer, and they can also have private sessions with them. Um obviously I could do it as well, but like I know where my strong suits are, and mind body medicine is just something that is like so effortless for me. Like I can just like, okay, so if I felt someone's energy one time, then the second I meet someone else, if I feel that you have the same energy, now I know so much about you. Now I know what limiting beliefs you have, I can predict what illness you have. Like it's it's kind of weird, and it just like gets stronger and stronger every day. But that's how my intuition shows up for me. It's like I need to have felt the energy at least once, and then I will know it immediately when I when I meet someone else. So either that happens by like, let's say I have one client and they they have a certain particular illness, and you know, now I know what the root cause of their illness is. So then the next time I have a client that says they have the same illness, I already know what the root cause is. But I'll always like double check with them. I'm like, does this resonate with you? Right? Do you also have this particular fear? Are you indecisive? Like with teeth, for example, um, it means you're indecisive. So I had a client that had so much fear of going to the dentist and like a lot of issues with her teeth. And so then when I got another client with the same thing, I was like, Do you think you're indecisive? And they're like, Oh my god, yes, right. So it just like validates and gets me to strengthen my intuition the more examples I get, and then I start to realize that my gut is never wrong, that the energy never lies. Right. And that's the way that my intuition shows up and the way that I work with people.

SPEAKER_00 34:48

So almost in a sense that you're trying to say is like energies almost have a physical like appearance. It it there is a physicality to it, you can see it on a person.

SPEAKER_02 34:58

Yeah. That's so interesting. Yeah, do you watch Love is Blind? Yeah, I do.

SPEAKER_00 35:02

Yes, I do.

SPEAKER_02 35:02

Okay, so I just filmed a video about this about Alex. So he mentioned that he had four knee surgeries, and as soon as he said it, my first thought was, Oh, he must have a huge ego. Because the my the root cause of knee pain in mind body medicine is stubborn ego and pride. So my first thought was like, I would never date this guy. If I was Ashley, I would leave the pods right away. And then as you continue to watch the season, you see that he does have a huge ego, and he even admits that like he like jumped from one girl to the next out like it was a pride thing, like just to prove I could get another girl easily and all this kind of stuff. And so it's stuff like that that like my intuition just gets stronger and stronger and stronger because I also did date an athlete who was a soccer player that had severe knee pain, so I'd felt the energy once, so I felt it immediately in this guy. And oh my god, I get I get stuff like this all the time. Like, I dated this one guy who told me this story about how his girlfriend cheated on him, but it was like in a very particular way. The story was so detailed. She like texted him one night on the weekend and was like, What are you doing this weekend? Not me. And then she sent like a picture of her and a different guy, pretty much saying, like, he's doing me you're not. Like it was so weird. When he told me that story, now I knew the energy of him, what he did to allow the behavior of that the energy she was in, and the energy of the entire story. Like it was just like now I knew the energy of that story, and then fast forward way later, I met this other guy, and within half hour, I felt the same energy. So then I asked him, I was like, How do women treat you? And he was like, Oh, women treat me fine. And I was like, There's no way, like, my gut is telling me this is the same energy. And then later he opened up to me and told me the exact same story. Like, I wonder if they dated the same girl because he he told me the exact same story where his girlfriend cheated on him, did the same thing, sent sent the picture of this other guy. Like it was so weird.

SPEAKER_00 36:55

Um and how did it manifest physically on him?

SPEAKER_02 36:58

Uh, as you mean as an illness? Yeah. So, okay, so it doesn't always show up as an illness. So I actually find that it shows up in your relationships first, and then if you suppress it in your relationships, then it turns into an illness. So so far, I mean, okay, the way it was kind of showing up actually was like skin issues, which definitely can lead to like self-worth when it starts to show up in your skin. So, yeah, I guess that was one way it was already starting to physically manifest. And nosebleeds, if you have really slow self-worth, you get a lot of nosebleeds, so that they would get them as well.

Pure Awareness Through Sensations

SPEAKER_00 37:26

So a lot of healers and stuff, they they ask you to like tap into your senses when you feel a certain, you know, you've been triggered, you're feeling angry instead of just trying to, instead of spiraling into what happened that made you angry, um, to stop and to sort of like look within, look at the sensations in your body and release those sensations. So, for example, if I was to say, like, okay, I can feel like this flipping in the my solar plexus, you know, I can feel this discomfort there, I can feel my heart palpitations, I can feel my palm sweating. Um, and that leads to, I mean, that that is an indication of like the anger that I'm feeling towards the situation. And um is that would you would you say like that sort of aligns with what?

SPEAKER_02 38:07

Yeah, that's exactly what it is. So if you're triggered, you will feel it somewhere in the body. Otherwise, you're not triggered. There's some sort of discomfort in the body. So I ask my clients to bring awareness, first of all, to where you feel it, and then there's lots of things we can do to get you to be more aware of it, like questions you can ask, like how does it feel on a scale of one to ten? Um, does it have a size, right? Is it taking up your entire stomach, or does it feel like little pebbles in your stomach, or does it feel like butterflies in your stomach? Does it have a texture? Uh, does it have a temperature? And to be honest, the answer to the question doesn't matter. It's just that when you're tuning in to really try to answer the question, to try to see, like, okay, where is it? Like, how big is it? Like, what does it feel like? That was like, I don't know, 30 seconds right there that you didn't distract from the pain, avoid it, suppress it, resist it.

SPEAKER_00 38:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:57

And like I said earlier, all you need to do is just get out of resistance, and your body already knows how to process emotions. So, yes, that is a big part of it.

SPEAKER_00 39:04

Have you heard of Vipassana? Yeah. Yeah. So I just recently came from a Vipassana meditation retreat, and so I feel like that's very much very aligned with what you're saying here. I I feel like a lot of like different modalities ultimately come to some there's there's some kind of cross connection between all of them. And uh it was it was 10 days of simply just sitting and feeling the sensations in your body. No talking, no phones, no distractions. And I think that's uh absolutely imperative for a person who's kind of blocked that uh ability to sense their body, you know, in these kind of moments. I will say that for me, when I would get triggered, I'd feel sadness or anger. I never paid attention to how it looked and felt on my body. And so my my typical method of like dealing with it was just, you know, fester in that anger and just get more and more angry or more and more sad, or just try to process it by repeating the story over and over again. I would repeat it with my therapist and repeat it with my friends, like, you know, this is what happened and this is what happened, but there was no actual processing happening, and so I would go into this fight and flight mode. Yes, um, but this meditation really forced you to stop putting and and I remember this. My therapist once even said to me, she said, Hey, where do you feel it on your body? And I was like, I don't know, I'm just I can't tell you because I think it spent so many years just blocking that aspect, like that's not important right now. What's important is like what just happened. Um, and so then I would like sometimes to just give her an answer. I'd be like, I don't know, maybe my palms are sweating, but like not actually truly really just paying attention to what actually is happening in my body. So that vipassana meditation was really great because I think it it really unlocked the physical sensations. It's now to the point where when I do feel triggered by something, like it's so physical that I have to like verbalize that. I'm not saying that I've achieved like being able to work through it because I still do sort of like spiral in the in the in the in the emotion. Um, but I'm able to sort of verbalize that, like, oh, I'm my whole body is shaking right now. I'm feeling cold, like my body temperature has just dropped completely, and I'm and I and I can feel the the sweatings, and and I kind of told my therapist that that vipassana meditation really helped unlock that. And so now every time I'm telling you about what's happened or happening in my life, I need you to just stop me and remind me so I can just get back in tune with with that. But then there is the other aspect of releasing it, which is kind of what I wanted to talk to you a little bit about as well, because we can feel that sensation in our body. How do we then release it?

SPEAKER_02 41:24

So, yeah, because like a lot of people feel the need to like say the story or the details or talk about the thing that happened that triggered them, but it actually doesn't help you heal and it actually doesn't matter. And there the evidence of that is kind of what you just said. When you feel the need to vent about it, and if you feel the need to talk to everyone about it, then that just proves that it doesn't work. Otherwise, the first time that you vented about it to one friend, you would never feel the need to talk about it again if it actually was healing and actually processed something. So I know we so badly want to talk about the details in the story and what happened, but it doesn't help. And so I've I'm reading this book for the second time. It's my favorite book. It's called The Awakened Woman's Guide to Everlasting Love, and it talks about relationships and conscious relationships in a way that I've never really heard before because it really focuses on energy and polarity, presence, devotion. Um, but it talks about how when you're triggered in the moment, that you're meant to express it right there in the moment, this authentic expression from the heart, not your thoughts, not from the mind, not what, not your perspective. So you you have to practice saying I feel and then the emotion, but it's just the emotion, so it's usually like one or two words. It's not I feel like. You don't say anything after that, right? So let's say you feel disappointed about something. It's not I feel disappointed because you did this, this, and that. You really do not need to say the thing after it because it doesn't matter. The reason this thing showed up in your life was to get you to feel this emotion. So the thing actually doesn't matter, and the second the emotion is processed, the the problem is actually resolved. It won't, it won't happen again because it's only happening as a mirror to show you what you're carrying. So that's why you don't have to talk about the thing. Um, but when you're saying, okay, I'm bringing awareness to it, but I'm what what about the actual processing or the release? Um, so the awareness is the medicine because your body um already knows how to transmute energy. You have three functions of your energy body. You have you're a transmitter, meaning you're constantly giving off a vibration. You are a receptor, so you can feel people's energy. Like it's like when you can tell someone's upset even though they're not saying anything, and then you're a transmuter, which just means you naturally dissolve energy or emotions. Your body knows what to do. So when you bring awareness to it and breathing, that actually is processing it. There's no thing that you technically have to do after that. Like there's always additional things you could do to like anchor in more peace or love or joy, but like I find that as long as you get out of resistance, awareness is the medicine, and that's actually enough. Like that is the release. And then you won't find that you need to keep talking about it.

SPEAKER_00 44:03

So you mean like awareness without excuses, awareness without justification, awareness without the story. It's just pure awareness and its absolute essence.

SPEAKER_02 44:12

Yeah, so the exact word is pure awareness. That's the word that um what's his name? Frank Kinslow uses in his work. He talks about that pure awareness means you're noticing it with no judgment, you're not trying to analyze it, you're not trying to fix it. It's almost like with curiosity. Curiosity and compassion, I'm noticing what I feel. And the reason that works is because it's like you're then the observer witnessing it. You're not in it, you're not the one wallowing in it. You're the observer witnessing it, and you're accessing something higher than like that inner child that is expressing the hurt.

SPEAKER_00 44:48

Yeah. I am feeling like so many sensations right now as you're talking about this. This is exactly what they talked about at this meditation is like to simply just be aware of the state of your body in the meditations. Because we were meditating for 10 hours a day. You can imagine like the pain that arises in your body as you're sitting in one spot for so many hours. Like it could be in your legs, you know, that numbness. I felt like pinching in my nerves, and I was like, I just I can't sit through this. But then the the teacher, the assistant teacher, would say to me, The reason why you're you're saying that you can't sit and you feel like you need to move is because. You're not accepting it and you're not observing it truly as an outsider. She was saying that, you know, like a doctor, if you have a pain in your body, you go to the doctor, the doctor will simply observe it objectively with no personal feeling to it because they're not feeling the pain themselves. So they're able to then treat it with whatever is needed for you. But when you are in the pain, you are already seeing it with these like tinted glasses, right? You're you're wanting that pain to go away. You're acting with aversion, but the moment that you move, it's because you've given, you've you're trying to control that situation. And I was like, I understand that, but how am I supposed to sit through it? I feel like my nerve is gonna. And she said, you just observe it. And at some point, if it if it starts feeling torturous and you simply cannot sit through it anymore, move. But don't judge yourself for it. Just move. It's okay. It's gonna, it's gonna happen. And if you continue to do this practice of just simply observing it over and over, and if it's too much, you move. And then you will notice that your ability to observe the pain will extend longer and longer and longer to a point where next thing you'll realize, maybe it might take a a week, it might take two months, it might take a year or five years. But never ever judge yourself for not being able to sit through it. Sooner or later, you will be able to sit through an hour so gracefully and so painlessly, because you will have simply observed the pain that exists and recognized that that's gonna change. Like everything else, that changes in the concept of impermanence. And that was very telling of something that I um struggle with in my life is this lack of acceptance of things around me. You know, I watched the news about this Israel and Iran war, and I take it so personally, I feel so angry about it, just like upset that I can't do anything about it. Um, and so that's just what it is. It's letting go of that control, and it kind of goes back to it cycles back to the beginning of our conversation where you know you you let go of that feeling of needing to control and change the situation, and sort of it flew more naturally for you, flowed rather.

Takeaways And How To Start

SPEAKER_02 47:11

Yeah, yeah. You hit on like some really important things. Um, first of all, the acceptance piece, because remember I talked about that earlier, where acceptance is on the human scale of consciousness, which is why it is just so powerful, it's a huge jump. Um, but again, if you can accept it, but then also you're observing it with compassion, now you're jumping to love. So, even more powerful. What you said about anger, so underneath anger is always powerlessness. So that's why you're getting so triggered and angry by seeing what you're seeing. So I find that when I feel anger and I soften, then I realize, oh, it's because I truly feel powerless, like there's nothing I can do. And then I it's easier to process that emotion than anger because it you're softer, you're less in your your your head. And then also, um, my mentor always used to say to me, like, if you treat your patient like you have five minutes, it'll take all day. If you treat your patient like you have all day, it'll take five minutes. So that's that's how I go about when I'm triggered by something. It's not like, oh, can you just get over this already? And like, because then it's gonna take way longer. Versus if I'm like, I'm gonna give you my unconditional presence for as long as it takes, no matter how long you're carrying this, no matter how much love you need from me, and then I find that it just processes so quickly.

SPEAKER_00 48:20

Some key tools that listeners can take away today, right after this call, if they end this episode, what are some things that you would recommend that they start from today before even they even potentially reach out to you for sessions?

SPEAKER_02 48:33

Yeah, that awareness is the medicine. So if you can just try to be more aware of what you're feeling and experiencing, even though I know it hurts and it's uncomfortable, and you'd probably rather do anything to avoid this feeling, that is how you heal it though. Like your body knows how to process it, I swear, and there is no threat and feeling what you're already feeling. Like it's already there and it's already in your body, and bringing it to the surface doesn't make it actually like worse or wallow or anything. Like it's actually when you bring your awareness to it, it's it dissolves. Um, but do it with compassion and curiosity, and you'll see that you just feel way lighter, and the breath as well, obviously. Like every time you feel a lot of discomfort, like just bring in more breath and that just start there. Like every time you're triggered, notice where you feel it in your body, and if you could even sit with it for 30 seconds or be slightly more willing to feel it rather than distract in your own way. Notice when you get into your mind, when you want to talk about the story, about what happened. That's a form of distraction and jumping out of the body. And just notice it, don't judge yourself. Notice with pure awareness, okay, I'm doing this thing that I use as a form of distraction, and I love and accept myself, anyways. And I'm gonna just set the intention to try to be more aware because I know that awareness is the medicine, and I just need to like get out of resistance, and my body knows what to do.

SPEAKER_00 49:51

That's really powerful. I feel like that was so insightful and like definitely motivated me to start to sort of like just take a different angle at the way that I deal with my own issues as well. So I really do appreciate you sort of being on air today and sharing such valuable tools with our listeners. Um and I'll definitely put in some links and connect uh so that our listeners can reach out to you if they do want to seek out some sessions and you know just some further advice, really. So, yeah, thanks, Alicia, so much for today. Really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 50:20

Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_00 50:22

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