Ep.82: The Nights Of Horror

Anthony from The Nights of Horror is a haunt YouTuber, vlogger, and Host of his podcast "The Mindless Horror Podcast" including his new channel "Project Z" which you can find on YouTube and other platforms. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

No. Um so you went to that uh that event though in EMC?

SPEAKER_03 0:06

Yeah, they uh they had an event at so when I I got one year I I got invited out for um their press night at Halloween Horror Nights for Knights of Horror and This was last year? No, this was when what was the I think it was 2023 when they did The Last of Us at Halloween Horror Nights and it was based around the game. Oh okay, that was 2023, yeah. Yeah, and it was also uh it was kind of it's funny because I bring that up because it's like anybody that knows Universal um Horror Knights specifically, they always have problems locking down Warner Brothers properties and being that The Last of Us was an HBO show, um their workaround with that was okay, we can't get the show, but we can get the rights to the game because that's owned by Sony. And so Sony gave them the rights to the game, and they were able to capitalize on the success of the show and the popularity of the show with bringing the game to Halloween Horror Nights. That's got nothing to do with story, though. That's just a little fight.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

That's just a lot of the PR investment and all that stuff. It's all that. I mean, you gotta go you gotta do that for all like horror night, I mean, for anything for horror genres like that. Like they put the, you know, I think they've been doing the same thing with like putting their their PRs trying to put in Halloween in a maze for Halloween Horror Nights.

SPEAKER_03 1:15

Yeah, no, I I was just so like laughing when they announced it because I was like, I knew I like I've been, you know, I've been covering, I've been going to the event for so long that I could just kind of know when an IP gets pulled out or something, or Warner Brothers. And it's usually a Warner Brothers IP all the time, um, like 90% of the time it's always Warner Brothers, but um it was just funny to me that that was their workaround. Like they couldn't get the show, so they went with the game just to capitalize on the popularity, which I'm not even mad because the the the maze was great, but the story was that when I was at the cinema, because they do the press event, like the red carpet event at the s at the in front of the AMC, and then they have like a little party or a little like a little kind of cocktail hour for you. Yeah, yeah. And then um I saw Troy Baker and Neil Druckmann. Now, Troy Baker and Neil Druckmann Neil Druckmann is the creator of The Last of Us, both the show and the game. Uh, and he was the former president or is the president of Naughty Dog Um Games. And Troy Baker is the voice of Joel. Like, if anyone's played the game, he's the voice. He's a well-known person.

SPEAKER_01 2:11

I've seen it before. He was also, wasn't he a guest star in the show? The show.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

Yeah, he actually, I think Joel kills him. Yes in the show.

SPEAKER_01 2:18

Yeah, he was like the villain, right?

SPEAKER_03 2:20

He was like one of the bad guys. Yeah, it's crazy. Which I thought was cool. Like, and they both had a they uh the both the main actors from the game had a cameo in the show, which I thought was awesome. Yeah, yeah, I saw that. That's that's especially um to pay homage to them. Well, especially Ashley Johnson's um uh her cameo in the show, you know, it was like her giving birth to Ellie. Almost like that's kind of like the ultimate passing of the torch, right there.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

It's like if you really are into the game itself and then you kind of see that it's like passing the torch.

SPEAKER_03 2:47

Passing the torch. That's so cool. She's giving birth to Ellie. Ellie's giving birth to Ellie. It's like that's so cool. Like awesome. Yeah, but like, so I saw them, and it was just a fanboy moment for me because I I played those games long before the show came out, because they came out long before the show came out. Massive fan of the story, massive fan of everything, and then watching the show, it was just like a carbon copy of the game in live action. They did such a great job with it. And um, you know, I saw Troy and I was like, hey Troy, I just want to let you know, dude, you were a big part of my childhood, you were a big part of my adulthood of video games and voice acting, and then I just want to say thank you for all your work. You're a freaking badass man. And then I looked at Neil and Neil was like and I looked at Neil and I was like, and I want to thank you for everything you've done. I'm like, you have literally have brought into life some of the greatest video games that I have ever played and immersed me in some of the greatest stories that I've ever been a part of. That uh I can never thank you guys enough for that. And Neil or uh Troy looked at me and was like, hey man, thank you, I appreciate that. And you know what? Like, if that was the one interaction I ever have with that man ever in life, like that's good enough for me.

SPEAKER_01 3:49

Yeah, yeah, that's gotta be awesome to see someone like that you've been like a fan of for I mean how long is that game bear around for years, right?

SPEAKER_03 3:58

Oh dude, I think it came out in 2000 oh it was pre-pandemic, I know. Pre-pandemic. I think like 1718 it came out.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

1718, yeah. Yeah. I remember that.

SPEAKER_03 4:09

Ooh, it was on the PS3 because I was yeah, I was fresh off, I was like five years in haunt yeah, dude, I was sold PlayStation 3, and then the PS4 just dropped, and then they remastered it again for the PS4, and then most recently, and then they dropped two, which came out with the PS4 as well, and then they remastered one into for the PS5.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

I think people were talking about it so much because how the storyline was so compelling. It's so like there was a climax into that whole story about you know those the the the child and well I was saying the teenager and then Joel himself, and then their relationship is like it shows a lot with like in you know in The Last of Us in the series because like that first season was just phenomenal. I I was just it was carbon copy, bro. Yeah, carbon copy. And then like, yeah, and you like you s like you said, you saw like the there was a bunch of uh like especially on Instagram, there was like a bunch of like side by side scenes that were playing actually like the game and the move in the show. So like it showed yeah, that's what I loved about it too. It's like they showed side by sides of that, and I was like, oh fuck, that's like that's tot like I love those kind of moments where like they they play like it's like anime shows or like based off anime shows and they play like actual live action and they kind of compare it to the two. You know they do that sometimes with uh Disney movies, but it's kind of hard too these days because it's honestly.

SPEAKER_03 5:39

Uh I know they're doing the Moana one. I didn't realize it's already been 10 years since Moana came out. Um and I was the first one to talk shit about like they're already making a Moana movie, it hasn't even been that long. Like the animation movie just came out, we're already making a live action. Yeah, but I just I get the rock's point of view. Like he wants to do it while he's still can how he still looks the way he looks, so he can really pull off Maui and all that.

SPEAKER_01 6:00

But he still can. I mean, he's fit as fuck.

SPEAKER_03 6:03

But he lost he lost, he toned down a chip.

SPEAKER_01 6:05

He toned well he for after Smash Machine. That's good movie by the way. That was fucking great. Oh my god, god, that was so good.

SPEAKER_03 6:14

I'm gonna be honest with you. Is he nominated tonight?

SPEAKER_01 6:16

So he's not nominated, but like I got he got stubbed for sure. So the the movies I built I watched all the movies last night. Um not all of them, but like there was uh there was one marathon. Yeah, for best picture, there was a marathon for last week, and then this weekend was the rest of the five. So there was like because there's ten total. Oh, I I watched the last five of them, and I got to watch, and then it was awesome because I haven't seen mo I haven't seen most of them. I saw like about half.

SPEAKER_03 6:44

What movies did you get to watch yesterday?

SPEAKER_01 6:46

So yesterday I got to watch, if I can remember correctly, Sentimental Value, um F1.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

I haven't seen that one yet.

SPEAKER_01 6:54

F1, uh what was the other one? Uh Mario Supreme.

SPEAKER_02 7:00

I haven't seen that one either.

SPEAKER_01 7:01

Sinners and Bogonia. You know, I had a I want to tell you about that movie, but hold on. I love it. I I I fucking loved it too. But there was so there was though like, and then the rest of them were like Hamnet, um fuck. I can't remember. Train Dreams. But you got the good batch. I got the good batch on the side, because like I watched the half of it uh last week, and then Adam Jahan, Eric, was uh messaged me. He goes, like, hey buddy, do you want to see Excision tonight at the Kia Forum? I was like, hell fucking yeah, let's go. I was like really debating him, like, fuck, do I want to watch like because I saw three last week, I saw three out of the five, and I was like, I don't know, because I saw Train Drains, Frankenstein, and um there was one other movie I can't remember, but I haven't seen Hamnet. And um I was like, I I've I've seen all these, and I just I just was like, yeah, you know what? I'll waste$42. It's not bad. I think bad at all, actually. Yeah, and it was worth seeing it was worth doing, so now because everything's recliners, like right, and then plus the only movie I really got to see in that whole category I really wanted to see was Um A Seeker Agent, which was okay. Um it was a foreign film. It was um uh the guy that played it was Wag Morna. Okay. He was in the booth Civil War. Gotcha. Civil War. He was like one movie. Yeah, yeah, it was I that was a good movie too. But Bagonia was fucking great.

SPEAKER_03 8:27

It's funny. I listened to this podcast, I'm gonna give them a shout out because they're my boys. Uh Pick Your Brain podcast. They're a haunt podcast, and they they just talk whore and haunt. Um TLE V, Entertainment Connection, and the haunt line. Um and they did a they did they talked about begonia and the the main host, Tim from TLEV, Mr. E. Um, he talked about how he hated that movie and how it was uh it was just not good, not worth watching. I have not been able to come onto a podcast so far yet and respond to that, so I I feel like I need to right now. Tim, you do not know any sense of good movies. You do not one bit. That movie from start to finish had me thinking extensively if this guy was crazy or not. And by the end of the movie, he wasn't fucking crazy. Yeah. And and not only that, dude. In a sense, he was. It just but like it literally, like, you know how many movies have done a scenario like this where like a a big bad person is taking over a huge corporation that takes over the entire world. That every the comparison that I can put this to is Resident Evil. As out there as it sounds, yeah, the umbrella corporation does the same exact thing. They want to come in, take over all the pharmaceutical world, everything, and then just make everything an apocalypse. That's exactly what Bogonia was doing. I thought it was cool. I'm gonna spoil it. I don't care. Yeah, yeah. People, if you haven't seen it yet, skip ahead. I say watch it still.

SPEAKER_01 9:52

Or watch it, but it's such a good movie. The production to everything, the acting, it was just I think it's one of Jesse Plemen's best movies. Yeah, best shows.

SPEAKER_03 10:02

I think with Emma Stone.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

Her Emma Stone, because she just plays like this very she plays like she's like scared. Scared, but also she's very like you know, um reverse to like reserve, you know, reserve. Like I she's very reserved, and she's like playing this woman that's like reverse psychology because she's you know dealt with fucking creatures. Yeah, she she does like a biochemical um stuff with with um with patients, and then he he was like the pay, he was one that his his mom was one of the patients that like died, was well, I mean, isn't to a coma, but like they he said that they had a cure, and that's why he like went after her and then supposedly that he said there was she was an alien, which was fucking crazy. Because it's funny how like they have did you read the the synopsis?

SPEAKER_03 10:53

No, I actually um I went into this movie blind. I think I saw uh I think the most I saw of this movie was like a trailer. Yeah, and then the trailer had me convinced because it was the whole like okay, that is this now I have to watch this movie to know if this guy's crazy or not.

SPEAKER_00 11:09

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 11:09

Like, did he kidnap this guy or is he just one of those really crazy out there conspiracy theorists?

SPEAKER_01 11:14

Like he was yeah, because he it was a mixture of both, to be honest. Yeah, because he said it was a conspiracy theorist, but they didn't even mention that he was like a beekeeper.

SPEAKER_03 11:21

Yeah, like which was fucking crazy. If you think about it, that that's pretty on par. Yeah, like that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 11:26

Well, you a conspiracy theorist would do an odd job like We fucking beat the chef of freaking Steve Havros with the the the sheriff dude. Oh, I know, dude. Yeah, he beat the chev.

SPEAKER_03 11:35

I just at one point that movie just takes a very serious unexpected turn.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

That's what I like though. That's why it takes an uns unexpected turn where I'm like, oh, okay, so both people are fucking crazy at the end. Where like you look at those two and you're like, okay, this is I really felt bad for his brother in that movie. I felt bad. Was it his brother or his cousin?

SPEAKER_03 11:56

Or his cousin, yeah, because he was like, I think he was supposed to be autistic in that movie. He was, yes. And um he just really couldn't like really think or live for himself, but like his brother or his cousin kept brainwashing him, so it's just like his cousin was teaching him all the wrongs when he should have been known all the rights, but like his cousin was right about the alien, obviously.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

But that was so funny when he he she was telling um Jesse Putman's character was telling Jesse Pubman's character, he goes, she goes, like, you live in an echo chamber, and then Ted goes, Echo?

SPEAKER_03 12:28

I love the scene too. It's like when they when they go to the office at the end, yeah, and like he goes into the fucking closet, and you don't think anything's gonna fucking happen. You just think a bunch of people are probably gonna come in and arrest him. Motherfucker blows up. I was like, oh my god. Oh I thought the I thought the thing is. And there's people in that office like witnessing that. Like, right. Like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

And it the sad the the sad part was with the with the cousin, the autistic cousin, was like he he took like a a deep breath and he goes, All right, I'm time it's my time to go. Yeah, and then she goes, Thank God. I was like, Holy shit, that's where I went. That's what I'm saying though. Like, but like I knew it from the start when he took a bit deep breath and he looked there and he goes, I'm it's my time to go.

SPEAKER_03 13:19

I was like, That's why I like fuck no. I knew it because like throughout the entire film, you could see the pressure building up with him. And by that point, he was just done. He was just like, I can't take this no more. Right, like, and that was his way out, and I was like, Fuck, dude.

SPEAKER_01 13:33

Like, it's it's scary of a it's weird, but like kind of scary in a way, because like that's that's real life. Yeah, that's like real life stuff. I mean, minus the ending, but like that's real life stuff that can happen. Like, I mean, you you take over hostage of some CEO or try kill them because they're you think they're someone else, or they're they fucked up your whole, you know, your your insurance. I mean, look at the the CEO guy guy that Luigi Managoni. Oh, yeah. Kill them, kill kill the CEO and or I mean, but like that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 14:04

Like that's a whole different like it's like art imitating reality or art, you know. It's like it's it's it's crazy to see it's crazy. And I say the same thing about civil war. I mean, that is like the same thing. It's like when I watched that, I was like, holy shit, but like it's it's weird to see, like you see a lot of that today, and especially like I'll I'll do another good one um in the horror genre, uh, Late Night with the Devil. Oh that was so good on exposing Bohemian Grove and like what Bohemian Grove is and that conspiracy behind that, but like like to see them actually dig deep into those, like they really hit the jugular on that. Like they expose the shit out of Bohemian Grove and that thing. Like they talk about going to the it's an all men's club, and they talk about the owl, which is like the sacrificing. They talk about pretty much him sacrificing his wife so he can become a huge late-night talk show host. Yeah, um, that movie from start to finish was just incredible. I love the way it was shot, everything. Yeah, yeah. And that actor, too. I I can never pronounce his name, but he's a good actor. Um, the main guy. That I think really set the course for him going forward, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 15:09

Um no, I I don't know who he is, but I met him before.

SPEAKER_03 15:13

I met him He's at Midsummer every year. Yeah, he's at Middle.

SPEAKER_01 15:16

But I met him at I met him at uh at Knotts. He was he was there when I was at Carnival one night, and I made some stupid joke because he played Polka Dot Man, and then I went up to him and he was I was like, hey, how's it going? And he goes, like, good, good, how are you? He's a super nice guy.

SPEAKER_03 15:34

Yeah, he looks like a nice guy.

SPEAKER_01 15:35

Yeah, very genuine guy. And I was like, Oh, you know, I just said something stupid. I was like, Oh, you know, just you know, poke dye myself out of here, something like that. I was I don't remember why I said something about polka docs.

SPEAKER_03 15:47

I would have looked him. This is my response. And he was like, This would have been my thing, dude. I would have gone even deep cutter. I would have went, I would have looked him dead in the eye and saw him shocked and would have went, Boba Yago! Because I remember that scene in Ant-Man and the Wasp, bro, and when when Ghost just pops out of nowhere and he screams that dude, the first time I saw that, I was in tears, bro.

SPEAKER_00 16:10

Oh, so funny.

SPEAKER_03 16:11

Me and my me and my coworker constantly quote that to this day. Like when we see something scary.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

Uh David, I can't pronounce it.

SPEAKER_03 16:17

His last name is always Dash Masia. I can't he's got a podcast. Have you ever seen his podcast? No, what he uh it's kind of like a talk show slice podcast, but he gets like celebrities and they lay and they lay in caskets and they do a podcast. That's the theme of it. I mean, it's so cool. Like literally, they got cameras from above and they're laying in caskets together, and they're he's interviewing the other person in the casket.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_03 16:40

They're both laying down side by side in caskets. It's it's a great concept for that.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

That's so funny. Yeah, he's he he was crazy in uh prisoners. Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:50

That was that the one with um with Hugh Jackman and Jake Jillenhall. Yes, and that was one of Hugh Jackman's like best actors.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

She probably the fucking crazy ass woman.

SPEAKER_03 17:01

In my opinion, that was one of Hugh Jackman's best of all time. Yes. Like, because I watched a behind the scenes thing where like he's talking to um because I think Wchamcallit's in there too, isn't he? Um uh Riddler. Paul Dano. Paul Dano, yes, yes, he's the bad guy, isn't he? He's the one they frame or something, like he's involved with it because like the scene that I saw was him and Jake Dylan Hall. Yes, yes, they're in a bathroom and he has them and he's like, Where's my like he's getting into it, but they show the behind-the-scenes footage of that, and he really started crying on set, like he really got into that role so much that he started crying, and I was just like, dude, that guy's a great actor, bro. Like, he really is. Like, I I don't I really cannot see anyone else playing Wolverine.

SPEAKER_01 17:42

It gave me chills when he was when when Paul Dano was looking through the people, and you could see his eyes like right through the people. I got fucking.

SPEAKER_03 17:51

You know, Paul Dano is a good actor of different talents too. He can go a wide variety of things, he can be a very creepy actor, he can be a very just in amazing actor. Like and the reason here's a perfect example. You look at like Prisoners and Batman, you know, he was a his Riddler is oh my god, he redefined, he redefined that character 100%. My favorite, my favorite probably version of that character so far.

SPEAKER_01 18:13

That was probably one of my favorites too. He did that one, and one of my favorite ones where There Will Be Blood was one of my favorite ones. Yeah, I think that one too. Well, like he played really good because like he played like I thought he played like this sociopath of a freaking uh of a pastor, but like he just shifted off to this like very like vo like vulnerable, like sensitive bull boy.

SPEAKER_03 18:38

You know what movie he was really good in was uh that one where he was uh where he plays the stock market. GameStop GameStop and how everyone invested and got like fucking a ton of money when GameStop was at its lowest. And that happened just recently. Like that was a real life thing.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

I watched it too. That was a really good one.

SPEAKER_03 18:56

Yeah, that was that was I was hooked on that. I actually, after I was done watching that movie, I went and researched the real story because I was just so fascinated.

SPEAKER_01 19:02

Yeah, I kind of followed it a little bit too. That was a fascinating story. I don't remember it much, but it was a fascinating story.

SPEAKER_03 19:07

I just like the the whole like they try to come after him because like he was making all this money on the stock market, but nothing he was doing was illegal. Yeah, he literally figured out a legal loophole to make money and cash out without fucking breaking the law, and they just couldn't figure that out. Then they still brought him to court, he still did trial and everything. They could just not they could not figure that out how he was making all that money.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

Yeah, yeah. I don't understand. Like, he I he was just a genius in the stock market. And plus, like it just Paul Daniels freaking. He's a great actor, bro. I don't know why Quinn's all over his ass.

SPEAKER_03 19:41

Yeah, uh do you watch the fade wasn't he in the Fablemans?

SPEAKER_01 19:44

He was, yeah, he was a father. He was a father. Do you know what that story was about?

SPEAKER_03 19:48

Steven Spielberg.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

Yeah, I haven't seen it yet.

SPEAKER_03 19:51

He directed it, right?

SPEAKER_01 19:52

Yeah, he directed it.

SPEAKER_03 19:52

It's it's supposed to be his biopic.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

Yes, basically his biopic. And then his he played he I gotta watch that. And Paul Dana plays his father. Yeah, I gotta watch it. I was like, whoa, I watched it for a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 20:03

It like it like shows pretty much how Steven Spielberg got for his love for movies and stuff, huh?

SPEAKER_01 20:07

Yeah, pretty much. But like he uses a different alias. Oh, basically, yeah, he uses a different alias and different time.

SPEAKER_03 20:13

But he already came out like when they were marketing that movie, he was like, Yeah, this is about me. Yeah, are you ever watched the his new one? Disclosure. Oh, a disclosure day? Hell yeah. He's going back to his roots for aliens, bro. Dude, it's if you see close encounters of the third kind, ET, even Super 8, bro. You think that one's gonna stand out though?

SPEAKER_01 20:30

Like you think that's gonna be like the new It's already it's already there's people talking about it. Right, right, right. It's already standing out. Do you think that's gonna be like the new close encounter though? Or do you think close encounters like the one that will be the top, like always to the top?

SPEAKER_03 20:42

Outside of the alien franchise, like like Alien, Alien Romulus, you know, that the the sci-fi franchise. That's side that's sci-fi. Outside of that, there has not been a very well-told good alien movie in a long time. Um, and I think if anyone's to do it, it's Steven Spielberg. Um, Steven Spielberg, when he makes movies, he doesn't make shit movies. Everyone knows that. Um, if he actually directs a film with his name attached it, like that says directed by, now you see a lot of movies that say produce uh produced by. He does do a lot of producing. That's easier to do that than I think he was doing that for a while because you want it to be. No, he still does. Like Ablin Entertainment, um, that's his company, right? And you see that with ET coming on the screen. Um, that company is actually located on the back lot of Universal Studios. When you take the studio tour and you look at it, when you go to the bungalow section before you see the giant Ted standing on the studio tour, if you look down the damn, I I I point out every fucking time because I want to go there so bad. But um when you look down, uh there's like a hill that goes down, it's like a driveway, like a pathway, and you look at the sign that says Ablin Entertainment, and you see the big you see uh Elliot and ET on the on the bicycle on the moon. That's so cool. And I always tell the damn, I always tell my mom, because me and her always go to Universal Studios. I always look at them like I want a studio tour turn down that. Way. Can you turn down that way or does that make sense? No, it's I I think he just rents or owns space within. And I think they gave him a building on the lot, which is I mean you should. It's separate basically it's it's its own thing, if it makes sense. It's just located on Universal's lot. Yeah. It's his own production company, it's got nothing to do with Universal, but it's on their lot. And the only reason he put it on their lot is because, like, if you know anything about Steven Spielberg, and you learn a lot about this on the studio tour, he used to come to Universal Studios like all the time when he was a teenager. Right, right. Because back then used to jump over the gates and just no, back then you could just come in. Yeah, right. Back then it was an open lot policy.

SPEAKER_01 22:35

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_03 22:36

So anyone can just come in and watch filming because back then there wasn't as many, like they didn't do audio. Like he was in that kind of era of filmmaking, you know? And so like he would just watch and he would bounce around sets all day, and he would come so much that like there would be times where like they would the guests would have to leave, but he would just go hide in the bathroom and sneak around and walk on set, act like he was supposed to be there. He got to he went there so much that it became a point that the security guard just knew him and just started letting him in. Wow. He just thought he worked there. I was like, dude, if I could do that today, bro, honestly, like all you gotta do is just stand there and act like you need act like hold something, act like you're supposed to be there.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

Yeah. It's like acting like a kid that stands in a basketball court and ask like until you they ask you to play. Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_03 23:25

Until they ask you to hang some lights and then you gotta go. I gotta go to the bathroom.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

I gotta I gotta I gotta go to the bathroom. I gotta go to the bathroom, dude.

SPEAKER_03 23:32

Uh no, you know what was funny is uh another story that I heard about that that similar scenario of like kind of like being confident and just acting like you're supposed to be there. This guy one time he bought the cheapest ticket to WrestleMania. The absolute cheapest that you can find. It was WrestleMania 39 when they were here in Hollywood. And uh he bought the absolute cheapest ticket. He went to the event, but he dressed up to the event. He was wearing a nice suit and everything. Well, if anybody knows wrestling, WWE, whatever, on big events like that, they always will um special hold tickets for celebrities, special guests, big companies, whatnot, and they'll just reserve seats for them. He said he walked all the way down in his suit, walked past all the security guards, walked past everybody, and just took a seat at one of the reserve seats in the front row, and he said no one showed up the entire night for the seat to bother him because he looked like he belonged there. And I'm like, dude, I so badly want to just shave everything off of WrestleMania, and I will wear a fucking suit to WrestleMania if I have to, just to get fucking a front row seat. That is the most genius thing I have ever heard in my life, dude. Like you never got caught. Talk about he never got caught. And he stayed the entire show. Who's gonna tell him anything? He looks like he's supposed to be there. He just talked about it on a podcast or something. I think I think he talked about it on a story or something. I I remember watching like a TikTok on it or something, but like 99% of people that are there are dressed in fucking wrestling clothes or fucking just cat. You're not gonna expect a casual fan to dress in a suit. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. Unless like there was a character back in the day that dressed in suits and like you're cosplaying as a character and people knew that. If you're just wearing a standard suit, no one's gonna know that you who who you are or if you work there or not. Yeah, you don't do that out of the venue staff aren't gonna question it because they think they're gonna be part of WWE. WWE's not gonna question it because they think they're part of venue staff.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

Yeah, that's the same thing when you go to a music festival. It's like when you wear a suit and you're like, what the fuck? Look at this dude. Yeah, I mean you look like you go anywhere, you're just wearing a suit and you're just like, oh, this guy's casual. I mean, you can't do that for UFC. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 25:37

No, I I think there's certain places you can get away with it, and there's certain places you can't. Like there's like, for example, a concert or UFC, I feel like they have way more um people checking badges or credentials. Whereas like certain places, like for him, he just went and sat front row. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like he didn't go beyond that, he didn't go backstage or anything, he just went to sit front row. Me and Adam Granted, he did pay for a ticket.

SPEAKER_01 25:58

Right, right, right. So me and Adam went when we went to go watch the excision. We were in the back, like kind of in the nosebleeds, but not really, like a few rows um behind it. And then we looked like all the way down in the other section. He was looking around, and I was looking around, and I'm like, Oh, I know what he's gonna do. He wants to go up there, and I'm like, Do we can't? He was like, What if we just like try?

SPEAKER_02 26:22

It's like I know that Merrick at his age is still wanted to do this stuff.

SPEAKER_01 26:26

I was like, why don't we just try and do it? I'm like, no, dude, don't why? Why do you want to do something like that? Just leave it alone. Just we're gonna we're we're fine right here. We gotta give you, we're fine. And then we we actually end up doing that. But like, I'm like, there's no way for us to get down to the other section. There's like security people that are checking tickets every single row.

SPEAKER_03 26:45

I've I've seen it happen, believe it or not, at a few shows. Uh, when I went to go see Metallica at the Rose Bowl, there was a section at the Rose Bowl, like, if you if you go all the way down in the seats area, like to the very bottom road, like towards the field, you can actually, it's low enough. And they I think they added seats for the show uh prior to that too, like little metal pop-up seats. And then uh I think I watched some guy hop the barricade, and this was as the fucking they were letting all the people in for general mission in the pit to go in. He literally hopped the barricade security solace and tried running after him. He was so fast though that he hopped a barricade and hopped the fucking railing, went into the general mission pit and just ran in the crowd and then just started walking. Within, I'm not even lying, I was following him. The minute he went into that crowd and just started blending in and walking, I lost him. I was like, So if I lost him and I was up, I was in like nosebleed and I could see everything. If I lost him just and I could see everything, they definitely can't find him.

SPEAKER_01 27:37

Yeah, they do the same thing when uh at the EDM Miguel Festival. So we went to um Oh yeah, you're big on those. Yeah, mute. I am uh I went to it's at it was at the Queen Mary. Uh we went to day trip, and so it's all house music. So like you we went there's a corner where there's a barricade fence and there's uh porta pies. So I went to the bathroom, and then I was waiting for my group, and then all of a sudden you see like the cage rallying, and you see people climbing like it was like fucking World War Z. I was like, I'm crazy, bro. Like and yeah, mind you, I'm on stuff, and I'm like, whoa! It's insane. People are crazy when that comes in. Yeah, I'm telling you, half of those people got out and half of those people got caught. Like, it's great. I'm like, you do anything.

SPEAKER_03 28:26

I'm like, guys, just buy a fucking ticket. Okay, like I can kind of understand that. I still think it's dumb, but I can kind of understand that for like a band. Right. Like a live band for a DJ.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

Well they these are these are people that was I'm telling you, they're well known DJs get that, but I think it's the same commitment as seeing a rock, uh, like a live band, like a live band. I'm about to stir a lot of feathers right now. Yeah, I I know, I know, I know you, I know you dude. I know you're a big fan of the rock drama. No, and it's worried about that. I respect that. Like, I think I think I see it.

SPEAKER_03 28:59

I just I I think I like you see it differently and I see it differently. Where it's like it's like for me, it's like, okay, the way I look at it, and honestly, like I don't judge anyone or I don't disrespect anyone that that sees it different, that loves it. If this is your community, this is what you love, fucking keep doing it. Keep don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise. That's the one thing I've always learned. Don't let anyone let you fucking dictate what you like to love. Yeah, love what you do, love what you love. No matter, no matter what people's opinions are about it, especially mine, don't let me stop you from loving what you love. Because genuinely, I see those the same people that I'm thinking about who love all this. Live, let live. You, yeah, exactly. You, everybody, I see you guys on Instagram, I see you guys posting, you guys are having fun, you guys are having a good time. Absolutely. That's why these events are fucking that's why they sell tickets to these events. They want you guys to have a good time. Like, that's it. However, for me, like, I just I listen to EDM, I'm not huge on it. I guess I you know, you you get involved with it because of haunt. A lot of shows and stuff involve EDM because it's just what's in and it's what hypes a lot of audiences. Mostly for uh Dark Harbor does. Dark Harbor for yeah, but like uh you see, like, even in like sometimes um like even at for example uh Carnival Duke Grotesque, they do music, but then they'll do sometimes they'll do EDM musics for their dance sequences. Right. Um, so like I I'm above it. Um but to me, like, for me, like the end all be all when it comes to EDM is Daft Punk.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

Yeah, Daft Punk is yeah, I I I agree with you a hundred percent with that, where I have friends that are big in the EDM world that are if they can say anyone that's the best e dm artist is daft punk. Like they're on top of their my I would say daft punk is on there, but like my number one is TSTO. TSTO is TSO. TSU is like the grandfather of all like trance and all that, but like he's awesome. Like he made audio joe for strings. He made that that like you know a guy I like?

SPEAKER_03 30:52

There's a guy on TikTok that's on the street and he goes and he's funny. He does lyrics, but he does beats off the thing. And one you probably know it once I start singing the song, but one of the songs was Your Life for Work, who gives a fuck? It's your life, bitch. Uh no. I mean he's so funny. So he he's actually touring now, and he might be at these festivals one day. Um but he was at Coachella and he uh he was just dude, he started doing TikTok. He had like a little he did a little setup on I think he was from New York, so he'd set up on the street, just do his stuff, and he would just literally improv lyrics. One of my other favorite songs is he did a fucking uh beat and his beats are fucking fire, bro, and his songs are hilarious. He did another one, it's called it's called Nighttime, and he goes, Night time, bitch, time for night time shit. Night time bitch, time for night time shit. And that's just the whole song, and I'm just like, dude, this guy's hilarious. But like, see, like I like stupid shit like that, you know. But I but like on the serious side of EDM things, and when you talk about people who've changed the game, it's Daft Punk, it's end all be all because not only did not only did Daft Punk set the tone in the 80s for EDM, but they were doing stuff before they even had all this technology and stuff, and they were doing stuff way ahead of its time, right? And they they weren't afraid to push the boundaries. They were one of I think one of the first EDM artists to collab and make uh anime mainstream because they did they did a whole album for an anime movie.

SPEAKER_01 32:10

I think that one too, and I think Porter Robson just kind of did the step up of that as well. Like Porter Robson made more like a visual um piece of anime and all that stuff, and then there was others.

SPEAKER_03 32:22

So, yeah, there's you know, there's Daft Punk, that that they're always there, you know what I mean? Like they're the godfathers, in my opinion, and then they've done everything, but uh they've done everything, like they've scored fucking movies, they've scored Tron Legacy. Yes, and that's in my opinion, one of the best scores ever made.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

Right, I get that too. No, I uh that's one of my favorite uh pieces too from them, and then you know they random access memories, bro. Listen to that album, that's completely different. Uh, one more time is like another one that was probably the best one. They see he there was a there's a great video of Tom uh Thomas, the one of the members of Daft Punk. He does a backback with uh Fred again, and he's at this like tented area where it's crowd, I think it's gotta be like 10, 20,000 people. And um, and he he and then the quote the caption says 25 years later, and this music still feels and he plays one more time.

SPEAKER_03 33:18

I'm like, I'll let you in on like three things that I love. Number one, the information facts that I love about Daft Punk. Number one, uh, a lot of people, the name should give it away, but a lot of people don't know this. Prior to Daft Punk, they actually were a real punk band. And that's where a lot of the instrumental uh music influences come from. Like is if you look at a song like Robot Rock, you know, the guitar and the and the drums, but it's mixed with a beat. You know what I mean? And then if you look at a song like Get Lucky, you know, the fucking guitar and the and the drums and the instruments and the piano and stuff, like they were very um experimental when it came with music, and they weren't afraid to push those boundaries and and create new things, which I loved about it. Right. Number two, um Alive 2007, their live show that they did, is the greatest EDM show that has ever been produced. No one can ever top it. It's just the only thing that I think can top it today is Daft Punk performing live in the sphere. Oh that's the only thing I believe that can top that show because of the sphere's visuals. They're and and the visuals with Daft Punk and the Sphere would be un I would say- They have they haven't done it. No, they haven't. Have they done it? No, okay, and that's what I'm gonna get's my third point. I was I'm not gonna say who, I'm not gonna say uh who it is just to protect their identity. I'm not gonna say what he doesn't even work for that them anymore, but um, I had a buddy that used to work for the sphere, and my buddy uh worked a lot of events. Sometimes people would rent it out for private events, they rented it out for a private event one night. Mind you, at this point, this was probably like two years ago, Daft Punk's already retired at this point, right? They already made a statement, they made a whole video during COVID that they were done. Right. Dude, tell me why Daft Punk was performing at this private event. And it was closed to the public, it was a private party, and that's who they hired for their entertainment.

SPEAKER_01 35:04

Helmets and all?

SPEAKER_03 35:05

Helmets and all, bro. Like, you you know you gotta have money if you can pull those motherfuckers out of retirement. Like the money had been good for them to come out.

SPEAKER_01 35:14

Well, that was that was the same uh argument when they were playing, I think, uh uh Coachella or EDC. They were like giving them money, and like I think they threw in so much money at them, they were like, We will have you play for this. They did the same thing for Swedish House Mafia, and Swedish House Mafia hasn't been a good one. Well, they did Coachella fucking brought no doubt back.

SPEAKER_03 35:36

Yeah, I never thought I would see them. I'm still waiting for them to go on Twitter.

SPEAKER_01 35:39

Baby ballot, grama freaking Tupac, dude.

SPEAKER_03 35:42

Like, come on like Coachella has has literally they dude, the Misfits fucking headline tonight. I was so shocked about that last year. I was like, the Misfits? I was like, really?

SPEAKER_01 35:50

Yeah, that's a different gen, that's a different genre that I just kind of um not the Misfits, but like the the Coachella music festival.

SPEAKER_03 35:58

I've always looked at it as like a pop festival.

SPEAKER_01 36:00

It is, and it's unfortunate.

SPEAKER_03 36:02

I feel like now I I and I feel like maybe more I maybe I just looked at it wrong because prior, like big headliners were always pop stars, but like it when you really look at the lineups, it looks like it kind of caters to everybody. It does. There's something for everyone there. Like if you love rock punk, there's something there for you. If you love EDM, there's that. But if you love rap, pop, there's that too.

SPEAKER_01 36:20

And then plus they cater a lot more to people that are uh social media influencers, and then they are they're there for their clicks. And I I I don't I I find that a little bit offensive because like people are there to experience music and not to get clicks, yeah. And that's the same thing with EDC. It's like EDC like used to be a big old electric daisy music festival, like for just EDM artists, and now you're putting in all these people that are social media influencers that are just coming in to grab clicks.

SPEAKER_03 36:52

It's like something with it's the same thing with my my line of work with Knights of Horror. It's like, you know, and I uh I you know I've I've grown to actually be friends with a lot of these people, um, right, but you're starting to see a shift in the in the world and PR as a whole, um, not with just hot, not with just concerts, but just PR as a whole. Social media is it. They you're getting more clicks and more viewerships over social media than you are in YouTube nowadays and you are in standard TV. Like you are just it's easier for someone to open up Instagram and just look at a quick video, real quick, reviewing so and so's product, you know what I mean? And just like it's a quick 30 second. Not to mention, dude, people's attention spans are just not there no more.

SPEAKER_01 37:31

Yeah, I agree. They're they're the attention span of people, they would rather listen to a clip of of a show than versus like listening to the whole podcast itself. Like they if they then that kind of you know it strikes them in some ways where they do listen to the clip and then that will, you know, and you know, shift over to them listening to the whole podcast. Yeah, and it's just like that's that's or or the vlog itself, because that that's that's what you gotta do in some days to do that. And I'm I'm you know, me, I'm myself, I'm I'm doing my best to work on that, you know, path.

SPEAKER_03 38:06

Yeah, dude. No, I I'm on the same boat with you. I'm I'm slowly, it's it's a very hard uh transition for me, but I'm slowly trying to transition to more social media content and everything. And if you've been paying attention to us on social media this year so far, we've been kind of having that.

SPEAKER_01 38:20

You've been shifting a lot. It's great.

SPEAKER_03 38:22

We have. Um, I I came in with the full-fledged plan for 2026, dude.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

Um so you just are making content, uh content. I'm like, I'm thinking like that's someone that loves to work, one, and then also like to make content.

SPEAKER_04 38:36

No, I don't. No, like no, like work, like I don't work, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:40

I can't. No, I get what you're saying. I get that like I'm I love someone that makes like wants to make content because like they want to put more, you know, stuff, creative uh creativity out there.

SPEAKER_03 38:51

Thank I appreciate that, man. And uh no, thank you, man. I really do. And honestly, like it, you know what it was for me too was like it was two things. Um for those who don't know me, the last half of my year last year was very uh dark and depressing for me. I went through a breakup um and that entire summer I was kind of coping with it. It was a little bit hard a haunt season because I was doing more things alone than I wasn't used to doing that, so it was kind of hard to adjust to that a little bit. But uh I I was having fun still. And uh it was it was a bit of a dark time for me, um, all the way until uh New Year's Eve when the finale of Stranger Things came out, and I sat in my office and I was watching it. Um I I really I I know there's a lot of mixed reactions with the finale. I know some people liked it, some people didn't like it. I am on the boat of I I actually enjoyed it. Um I did too. I I didn't I didn't I cried I did too, and and I cried a lot. Oh, I did too, a hundred percent. If if you didn't cry, because that is a 10-year journey we went on, five seasons, ten years, and we watched those kids grow up. We did like now those kids are fucking adults now and they're doing different things now. Now we're gonna see what they do. We're gonna see if they were gonna be stereotyped casts as Stranger Things this entire life, or they're gonna be able to branch out and make a career out of themselves. And I and I think all those kids are gonna be able to branch out and make a career out of themselves because they're all talented, and you're starting to see it little by little. Finn Wolfhart's been doing a lot of things, um, Millie Bobby Brown. Anyway, um, I watched the finale, and in the finale, there's that scene uh at the very end where Hopper's talking to Mike on the bench.

SPEAKER_01 40:24

Yeah, that was and fuck. I talked about this last time, but yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 40:29

Dude, I I remember sitting there for the first time just listening to that thing, already just kind of crying. I was a fucking mess. And um just remember hearing him say those words. It was I I don't remember the quote completely, but it was on the lines of like, you know, you can you can sit here and you can think about this and you can live that's how you can live your life, or you can move on. Yeah, it's gonna hurt, yeah, it's gonna suck, and just know that like doesn't mean you have to like it, doesn't mean you have to love it, yeah, love it.

SPEAKER_01 40:55

But like but you you do you make the best goddamn life you ever had.

SPEAKER_03 41:00

Yeah, and the minute I heard that, dude, like I don't know what it was, dude. Like it right then and there, I snapped out of whatever I was going through for like the last six months. And it just like it was such an eye-opener. Like, I was in fucking tears, I was watching that, and it was just such an eye-opener that like when I heard that quote, it just fucking motivated me, like to want to do more writing, to want to do more producing, to want to do more content creation. I've told people I've been open about this. I have not really covered haunt this much this year, and that's on purpose because I feel like as a person who does cover haunts and stuff, um I started realizing that that was obviously the most popular content, and that was the one I was getting the most views on. However, you can only do so much in the offseason, you can only do so much speculating, you can only do so much construction updates, you can only do so much guessing as to what's gonna come to the event. Not to mention, with the the way the the road is today, the way the the landscape of social media content creation is today, everyone is putting their two cents in about Halloween Horror Nights. So it's like anything I can speculate, you've probably already heard from seven other people.

SPEAKER_00 42:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:11

So I this year I took a different turn. I was like, you know what, I'm gonna start focusing on the horror aspect of Nights of Horror, where it's not just haunt, you know, I want to start diving into the realm of horror. And I was also very pissed off at the fact that AI was fucking taking a lot of creativity out of things, so that also motivated me, and it still motivates me to write. So I I've been writing like crazy, and um I actually also um I've been working together with a voiceover actress who you've been hearing in a lot of our um more scripted videos. Um, and a lot of people think she's AI. Her name's Brooke. I actually um I went to high school with her and I knew her, and she's a real person. Um, so she's not AI. I I despise AI everything. Um, but I've been working with her, she's been making the videos sound great when it comes to um narrations, and then of course we still do the podcast weekly, so we're recording that weekly, and that's where you still get me. Every now and then I still come out and do another update video, or I do um like a uh like dark masquerade. That video did really well for us, and we did that video. That was a lot of fun. So, you know, I'm having fun, dude. Like I really am. I'm starting to make more content that I want to make, not what like I don't want to sound like that guy, but like I don't want to I I I'm not making content where I feel like I'm forced to be making this content.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

You feel have an obligation to make it have to, yeah. So like now I'm making content that I want to make to please to get pleased by the crowd.

SPEAKER_03 43:42

Yeah, and like honestly, like I'm very excited for some projects that I have coming up.

SPEAKER_01 43:45

Um we just do you see like I don't uh you don't have to name names, but like do you see that in now in this vlog community where people are from the haunt realm are doing these kind of things?

SPEAKER_03 43:58

I you know, listen, like I don't I don't talk ever, I never talked negatively about one specific person. Um what I was nice to admit.

SPEAKER_01 44:06

Oh no.

SPEAKER_03 44:06

No, like I I I genuinely, and everybody who does this uh line of work, content creation, um, this hobby, right? It it's it, you know, the minute you stop having fun with it, that's when it really starts becoming more of a job than it does a hobby. And I was starting to get to a point where I was starting to get I was starting to feel like I was doing this more as a job than a hobby. And like that's where I lost the creativity aspect aspect of things. So I ended up going down to um I ended up, you know, I just took a like I just kind of focused on myself, you know, and just started doing it. But yeah, to answer your question, I feel like there are people out there um that will cater to or say the right things so they can keep their status, if that makes sense. Um but are they well known? Some might be. Some, some, yeah, mostly. Mostly some of them are.

SPEAKER_01 45:03

Um hard to say when you don't want to name names.

SPEAKER_03 45:05

Yeah, no, it's it's just yeah, they're they're pretty well known.

SPEAKER_01 45:08

Yeah, because like I get it. Within the theme park comedians. Right, right. And I get that though, because like that feels like now, like it you can say the same thing with like the people at haunt, the talent that work there, you know, they don't work there just because of the fun, they work there because of just a job. And then they feel like they have this obligation to come back because they have to, because their friends are doing it, or their you know, their fans want them to do it. Right. Or I should say quote unquote fans, but like, you know, like but like and it's not to like talk bad about it, but like I feel like people some people go there to there's a thing where they there's a time where I always talk about where you know there's a time to quit. There's time to have an end game with like your career with that, because you know, haunt lives forever, but your life isn't. Yeah, and that's that's something that I don't think a lot of people resonate with a lot because they think like, oh well, I'm gonna be here forever. I'm like, but how long is forever though? No, you can't take that way.

SPEAKER_03 46:07

Yeah, like are you gonna do it to you? Honestly, bro, um, and you know this, I've I've had my fair share. I almost I was almost canceled at one point in my life, you know, through YouTube, and uh, you know, you live and you learn. Um, but um, you know, like it, I you know, I hear the same mentality with professional wrestling. You know, it's like you can't just get comfortable because if you get comfortable and you just collect a paycheck, then eventually they could just let you go. You gotta keep fighting for what you want, you gotta keep pretending like tomorrow's the last day because you don't tomorrow may be the last day. Tomorrow I could literally just uh tomorrow could be it for me. Yeah, you know, like tomorrow something can come up in my life where I'm just like I have no time to do knights of whore no more. Like I gotta hang it up. Right. Um, so I I I I do like an example for whore nights too. Like there, I I always hear one of the biggest things too, and this just goes for media across the board. Um I always hear people will make a big deal on social media if they are not uh invited out for a media event. Number one, these companies don't owe you anything. They uh they invite the people who they feel are gonna cover the event the best, who are gonna get the most eyes to the event, and who's gonna get the most uh word of mouth out to the event and for people to purchase tickets. Completely understand that. In this line of work, you can't take anything personally. You have to be professional about everything. Everything is business uh when it comes to PR and media, so you can't take anything personally. I've been declined so many times to media events, but I don't go on social media and brag about it. I don't go and spill my business about it. I I just I continue to work harder because okay, you didn't invite me this year. Obviously, I don't I'm still lacking stuff. Let me continue to work. Yeah. You know, I've been fortunate enough to be invited to some pretty big media events. I've been fortunate enough to be invited to even the smallest of media events, and I treat everyone like it's the same level of quality, the same level of respect, the same level of um covering it like I'm part of uh a media team. Right. Because I I mean I do consider myself media when when we cover stuff because I I the the biggest thing about Knights of Horror for us is I've always been and from day one, I've always told the audience, I'm going to be real with you, I'm going to be honest with you, because I don't want to just spew out bullshit just to get things or to go places or anything. And necessarily I'm not trying to just talk shit about haunts or anything. I'm trying to give constructive criticism of what I saw and what I noticed. Now, am I an expert in the haunt world? Absolutely not. I don't work in the thing year round, I don't build the events, I don't sit in the creative meetings, I don't fucking do makeup, I don't scare. Like, so I I can only give you as much of an opinion as I see with my own two eyes. Right. So if if I feel if I walk through, and this happens at Horror Nights all the time. I've talked to people about this. For example, one year they brought Texas Chainsaw Massacre a few years ago. I walked through it twice. I got two very bad walkthroughs both times. Other people walked through it, they said it was the best maze of the event. I disagree. I'm gonna be 100% real every time, even if I'm media, because I want my audience to get a genuine feeling and reaction of is this worth my money? Because let's be honest, California is not cheap. So you gotta be, especially during haunt season, some people have to be very selective as to where they want to go, what they want to do, and where they want to spend their money at. I know uh my buddy Logan when he when he was having uh when he just had his kid, he only had money to go to one haunt this year. And so he was very much relying on my opinion just to know what he can spend his money on. He didn't know whether he wanted to go to Hornites or he didn't know he whether he wanted to go to Knotts. So then I I flat out told him, I'm like, well, listen, like I think it was like two years ago. I told him I'm like, I didn't I wasn't digging Horror Knights that year. Um it was a decent year, but I think you'll get your better money's worth at Knots this that year if you're only doing one.

SPEAKER_01 49:46

So Yeah, it comes out you uh what what it c when it comes out of you though, I think it's it's huge because you've been around the game for quite long enough to like know the ins and outs if yeah for nine years, and you know the ins and outs of who is in the the community, who's in, you know, who's not, and then you you know people that are are doing all this, so you kinda like get the inside of it, and then from like so coming out of your opinion, it's like it feels like more of like informative answer. Like, I I understand what you're getting because like you are educating yourself from these other talents and in these other big you know management that work in the area. I mean, I mean you got to know John Birdie and you got to know Rick West, like you that's a huge thing, and you got to know like um some of the managers that work at you know at Knotts and you got to talk to them and like you got to interview some of them, maybe, but like you got to like know the whole you have this all this information and you can just like spill it out there towards the I mean I would just say like say it towards on your platform and then I think coming out of you it shows a lot more like there's a lot more rational, you know, information that you see on your end. And I mean uh but at the end of the day, I mean people can pick whatever they want, or I mean whichever theme park they want to go to. Oh yeah, and then whatever horror movie they want to pick or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 51:12

And I'll be the and I'll be the first to say it. I'm not the only content creator out there that has information that there's other content creators like exploring attractions.

SPEAKER_01 51:20

Exploring attractions.

SPEAKER_03 51:21

He's my go-to. Scott's my boy, he's my go-to guy every time to watch anything theme parks. He is, I know him personally, he is a very honest person. He can go out and he can give me uh a legit review on a theme park or an attraction or food or whatever it may be. And I know that if it comes from his mouth, that I can trust it because he has not let me down so far. Yeah, you know, there may be times where me and him have differences of opinions, and that's everybody.

SPEAKER_01 51:46

Everyone's not gonna have the same mindset, but overall, dude, like I think I saw that guy before I seen him before Scary Farm. You see him all the time, yeah. Yeah, I think I get one time I saw him and his eyes like glared at right at me. I was like, what? Because I was uh I mean, I was in carnivals, I'm gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_03 52:02

Kim and Savannah are are amazing people, um, they do great work and uh they're great. Hauntline's great, TLEV media are my boys. Um, I've known them for years, I've known them since they blew up to what they are today, and I'm so happy. Rob's my boy, bro. I just hung out with Rob yesterday. Yeah, um, no, yeah, Rob's my boy. I you know, I was just telling that uh to my uh my new girlfriend. We were talking about she I just introduced her to Rob recently, and uh I was explaining how we met Rob and how Rob got more involved in the community, and I told her straight up, I was like, you know, um when I was going through the cancel stuff, um Rob was one person that would constantly message me, check up on me, and all that, and we would message back and forth quite frequently when I took that time off for a little bit. And then uh before we came back, I really loved Rob's opinions, I loved the way he talked, I loved the way he uh he spoke about things, and so I asked him straight up if he would want to join Knights of Horror, record a couple videos with us during COVID, and he did. And from there, like I got to I started introducing him to more people in the community, more content creators, people. And honestly, the rest is all him. Like, I just I just set the introductions, the rest is all him, dude. He's so talented at what he does, he doesn't give himself enough credit for it. Yeah, and yeah, he feels like he's like the underrated yeah, dude. He's so talented, and it's just like he does great photography, and he's collab now. His collaboration record is a lot bigger than mine. Now I can tell you that right now.

SPEAKER_01 53:27

He likes it makes a lot more content, plus with like the the films he sees, and he kind of critiques. He's a big movie guy too. Yeah, he talks so much about it, and he he has like so much information. I'm I'm glad you guys kind of like that. Those people, you you are out there and giving, you know, there's so much more I can name content.

SPEAKER_03 53:47

If I could I could sit here all day and just name all these content creators, but like there is so much out there that I watch that I have a that I talk to all the time that are doing incredible work that come up and tell me the exact same thing as like, dude, I watch you all the time, you're grinding, you're doing I'm like Is it overwhelming to see people that um or is it kind of res I mean, do you guys kind of give the same respect?

SPEAKER_01 54:07

I I mean I don't know much of like who in that kind of uh realm of the vlog community with you guys, like is it it's overwhelming in some ways because like someone's making better content and you that kind of makes you step up or does it make you competition or you complain?

SPEAKER_03 54:22

I'll be the first to say it, I'll be completely honest with you. In the beginning it was for me because like you do look at that in the back then pre-COVID days, the biggest thing that you would see, and the biggest thing that I would see a lot was the race to see who can get the fucking announcement out first. When Hornights would drop an announcement back in, like if you look back in like 2019, if Hornets, when Horights would drop their announcements, there was a bunch of us content creators, a good like handful of us, maybe a little bit more. We would all it would literally, no one will admit it. I'll be the fucking first to admit it. I don't care what you say, it was always a race to see who can get their fucking video out first because they know whoever got the video out first, that's where the majority of the clicks were gonna go because everybody wanted to talk about Horror Nights, everybody wanted to hear their opinions about Horror Knights, and everybody wanted to hear all the information about what was coming to the event for Horror Nights. It's kind of the same thing now, it's just a lot harder to do because now there's TikTok and you can just literally record off your phone and upload it. I'm I like to do better quality. I like to up, I like to film on my camera, edit it, upload it, so it takes a little bit longer. Um, but yeah, there there was a time for me in a moment where uh there there were certain creators that I would see and I was just like, fuck man, they got that video up. Shit, dude. Like I'm over here at work trying to fucking make a living and I can't fucking go home until 2.30 to record the damn video. It's 10 o'clock and they already have it up.

SPEAKER_01 55:39

By the time I go record mine, it's do you get the same um I don't feel like that no more? Like, yeah, yeah. Do you get the same respect for the people that are doing these well-rounded like of vlogs? Like, I'm not talking about like just horror theme, they're doing like um like theme park stuff, other theme parks from other places, and they're doing like other vlogs, and like do you kind of give them the same respect when they kind of they pop out like these announcements? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 56:06

Um, absolutely, because a lot of the same people that do theme park coverage year-round, they still stay in the haunt community year-round too. So when I see those same creators not just coming for haunt, they're going to other events outside of haunt in the year-round. That shows me that they really like the horror and haunt world. You know what I mean? And there are a few creators that I can see on TikTok. I don't know by name specifically, but like you on your 4U when you're scrolling through like haunt season, you can tell there are those that are just there mainly because it's just like, well, uh, you just hear because the event's popular now. Right. You just hear because you you saw a clip last year that went viral and you're thinking you can recreate the same thing. That's what's becoming very toxic in the new age of social media and the new age of just everything is everyone and you can and you can very much speak on this. Um everyone wants to come up with with their phones to scare actors and just put it in their face and try to do a viral clip because like if you've done one viral clip, now they want you to just repeat it over and over again, and they want you to film it like it's not gonna be seen, like it already hasn't been seen by millions of people, and you're just gonna do it again, and no one's gonna fucking watch it.

SPEAKER_01 57:18

Yeah, you know how many people that want me to do the Barbara woman uh character at Carnival.

SPEAKER_03 57:24

Like I'm like, bro. At least when I ask you to do stuff, it's not for the camera, it's just for my own amusement.

SPEAKER_01 57:30

I do it for you because you're my friend. I'm like, I do it for you. I'm like, because you're the guy. I'm like, hey, I'll do it for you.

SPEAKER_03 57:35

Like one of the best things that ever popped me was the year the Dahmer show came out. And then we happened to walk by a kid who was blonde-haired and wearing the Dahmer glasses, and you called the kid Dahmer. I was like, shut up, dude. Dude, that was the funniest thing ever, bro. And like I didn't even record that. Like, I didn't need to record that because it was just literally for me.

SPEAKER_01 57:53

Yeah, the same exact clothes and air.

SPEAKER_03 57:55

That's what I'm trying to get at though, is like you don't have to record everything. Yeah, you do. Some things are just meant for your enjoyment and just for you to just share word of mouth. Right. You know what I mean? Because it's even funnier because then it gets to the then it gets to people in the sense of, man, I wish I could have been there to see that. You know what I mean? Like so, like, I I just in this new age, like I'm I'm very fed up with people doing that. I think it's very disrespectful because not only is it disrespectful and it's it's rude and all that, but it puts a bad name on us. The people who are actually like, and you know how I am, I've been like this for years. I'm the type of guy that stands off to the side. I don't get in the middle, I don't bother you, I don't pull you aside, I don't try to get you for clips. If I see you passing by, I'll get a clip of you. I'm not gonna stop you. You're in the zone, you're working, I'm not gonna bother you.

SPEAKER_01 58:40

Has that happened before where you just like step had like a piece, you know, when you started this channel, then like you stepped into something that kind of act, and then you kind of like see it, and you're like, fuck everybody.

SPEAKER_03 58:52

Um so I've been fortunate enough to do a couple guest spots here and there, and I've we've recorded them for the channel, uh, home haunts, independent haunts, been a lot of fun. Um, I fortunately I have never had that happen, but I have had uh at Drek Society's haunt one year, um, I had a kid try to fight me, and the kid was probably like 13, 12, and I was like twice his size, and he was trying to square up with me, and I was just laughing. I was in a mask, but I was just laughing hysterically under the mask. And uh shout out my scene partner. Um, she was uh in the room with me. She we were working the scene together, and towards the end of the night, we just started doing stupid shit. Um because the the the theme of the our room was it was supposed to be specific, shitty, made-up B horror movies. It was supposed to be like a uh you were going through like all these different movies, but they were all made-up B horror films. So mine was like Dino T-Rexes from the year 3000, and it was a post-apocalyptic thing where all these dinosaur mutated people became were taken over and they were fighting the the human race for you know what I mean. So it was just like the dumbest concept, but like it was so fun, bro. Like they did such a good, but that's what you like about those cheesy concepts. They work for haunt, you know what I mean? Like they do. And so I remember we were doing the scare, and my scare I had a platform I can scare on, but then eventually, like the platform I just felt like it was just like too unsturdy at points. So I just got down and would just scare on the floor. And I had the the my scene partner, she was in this in the room with me, and she was on the other platform and she would like shoot at me and we'd pretend having a war and stuff. But like in the end of the night, this kid just got ballsy and he just tried to fucking swing at me. And I was just like, I just backed up and I was like, dude, you swing at me, it's probably not even gonna fucking hurt me. Yeah, honestly. Um, but yeah, dude, I've had my fair share. I I've seen the abuse firsthand. Um I I think the best scaring experience that I've had, all my scaring experiences have been bad. Let me let me start with that. I've I don't think I've had one bad scare. Everyone that's let me scare with them has welcomed me with open arms. Um you've done a couple, yeah. I've seen one you do. I've done total. I think I've done so I've done, I think of total of four, but I think I've only recorded three. Um the last one that I did at Eulogy last year was my favorite. Hands down. Because um they just opened, they're in Anaheim, for those who don't know at the garden walk right across the street from Disneyland. Uh they got a year-round haunt, and they let me come out uh and record and review it, and then I hit him up. The guy Chewy who owns it asked if I can come scare for a night. Yeah, Chewie. Chewy's the man. Chewy's great, dude. I just saw him yesterday too.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:25

He was at the Chapman Sports Park for the uh he did the he did the what was the the one before Sweet Love.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:32

Um oh the Christmas one.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:33

Christmas Christmas I saw that me and uh Doug went um I didn't get to do that one. Me and Doug Robertson before we did the podcast, we went over there and we like we went there and we heard he saw me and he was like, dude, man, I should give you a free ticket. It's like no, I got you.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:48

I want to I am I pay all respect for him. Honestly, dude, like I I would do the same thing. He invites me out all the time, but honestly, as good as that. Um sorry, these headphones are my hair is my hair's a mess. My hat, everything. Um but as far as that goes, like he is he's been a real one. I've I've got to I got to go to the last year of his home haunt when it was Santa Anahaunt. Yes, yeah. And um I ended up uh for there, I ended up um that's how I met him for the first time through my buddy uh Scary Cat Vasquez, who I who you'll probably see coming soon uh at Midsummer Scream. We always do some shit with him. So fun. Um another good content creator, but anyway, uh he introduced me to him, and ever since then I I have not missed any of their Midsummer Scream uh mazes. Um I got to go to their last home haunt, and then when Eulogy was in another location at the Garden Walk, more near the House of Blues, I went to that one, and now I'm at I've been going to these ones. The only one I've missed is the Krampus or the Christmas one they did. It wasn't Krampus, it was Christmas. Yeah, um, that's the only one I missed, but um yeah, it I love what he's doing. Um, the year-round haunt concept is cool. Uh, it was one of the most coolest places to scare at. Um I came in, I volunteered. Uh yeah, it's all volunteer base. Um, and the cool part about it was that night that I came, he hooked it up with some Taco Bell for everybody. So like he bought a bunch of tacos and I was just fucking nomined on some taco bells.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:14

That's the guy that's like chewy's the one that worked really hard and it got and got criticized for a lot of his stuff that same like, dude, you can't make that shit. Like he's like, dude, watch me.

unknown 1:03:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:26

He saw he saw Universal and was like, watch me. Um because Universal's doing the horror unleashed out in Vegas now year-round. So like now we have something, you know, to to counter that too.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:38

You know, it's like we have a California version of that now, you know. So it's like what is what is your thought on about that one? Um, I wanted to ask you the Vegas one because it it's it seems like it was a very hyped um you know event that was gonna happen year-round. You know, there's it's a horror maze and um it's biuniversal. Yeah, so you're gonna see a lot more IPs around there are in there, but like it turned out to be something of a sort of a mixed review, but leaning more towards like the bad.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:10

I have not been able to go out and see it yet. I um gonna try to get out there soon. I know for sure I'm gonna do a trip to Vegas in June because uh I'm going to Utah first for Sammy's wedding. Okay. Um actually. Congratulations for I know I'm uh he he turned his life around so much. Oh, dude, I'm so happy for Sammy. Um, and you know, a few weeks, about a month or ago, we had breakfast and I met his fiance finally. Uh, she's such a nice, nice woman, and um you could tell they're very happy together, but it was I didn't know that breakfast was to really ask me to be one of his groomsmen. So I was planning on going to the wedding regardless. Like I was I was gonna go. Like that was a no-brainer. That's my best friend. He's getting married, obviously. But then he asked me to be a part of the wedding, so I was just like, oh fuck, well, now I'm really going for sure. So I already got my hotels, but but we're gonna come on the way back because you you cut through Vegas, we're gonna go to Vegas on the way home, and we're staying the night uh Sunday night into Monday. Um, and I'm hoping Horun Leash will be open because I know there's rumor that they're gonna shut down in April to revamp things because they're gonna start rotating things out. Yeah. So it's good that they're keeping things for at least a year.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:21

Are they upping the timeline or are they kind of just kind of mixing everything around? What's what's the prediction of that?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:27

What do you mean by that?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:28

Like, so like are they are they gonna like are they uh well right now? What is it? It's like it's all the universal monsters.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:34

So right now it's uh the four that they have that you can experience is the Universal Monsters, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, right, um, the Exorcist Believer, and Scarecrow, which is an original. Um So I've heard the order is Scarecrow, Monsters, Exorcist, Texas from Okay, so they're not in the same timeline, but like you know, they're they're are they just kind of make

SPEAKER_01 1:06:00

They're just adding more news new stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:02

They're like, no, they're just so what they're gonna do is completely I I I don't know exactly how they're gonna work if they're gonna take take all the houses out and change them out because the the idea was to rotate the lineup. So like they're gonna have this these here, and then after a year they're gonna have something else come in, whatever Universal gets. Um the rumor is April, they're supposed to shut down and start doing that, I think, for haunt season to get it open for Halloween season for a new slate of things. Um, and if that's the case, I'm gonna be a little bummed out because that means I didn't get to experience year one, but it's okay. Um as long as I get to see it. But I think overall, I think it's a great concept. I really do. Um, I think that to put something Halloween and horror is starting to bleed year-round now. There it's the one holiday that you truly can celebrate year round because of horror, the horror genre. Um, I like the concept of bringing the icon of Jack the Clown and Chance over from Orlando. They're my two favorite icons of all time from Halloween Horror Nights. So to have them be like the the hosts of the party is really fucking cool. Um, that aspect of things I like. Uh I've heard the black phone like picture meet and greets and stuff is really cool, and that character walks around the grabber, and that's pretty cool. Um, I think there's a meet and greet with Megan too. Yeah, that's another one of their big characters. Um, but overall, I I've heard that it's it's pretty good. I don't know how they're doing financially. Yeah, you're right. I have heard mixed reviews. Like some people said it's alright, some people say it's good, some people say it's bad. Well, what makes it so bad that they're they're not understanding, like they're not seeing. From what I so the things that I've heard, I'm gonna talk to SoCal Tall guy pretty soon too. He's out there right now. I think he's gonna be coming home pretty soon. Okay, he he just went, so I want to get his consensus on it. But from everyone else I've talked to, Hauntline, Entertainment Connection, um, it's just it's unit's not I it's like you said, I think it was overhyped and it's just not yeah, completely delivering. I'm not saying it's not delivering because I think it did deliver in some aspects, but it didn't completely deliver to what they thought it was. Um but like from what I've been hearing, just like a lot of people, I guess, had a problem with the Texas Chainsaw Massacre maze, which kind of shocks me in that aspect of things because um for everything, every clip that I've seen, it looks very, very accurate, like scene for scene, shot for shot of the film, even to the point where they completed a stunt that I didn't think was possible. Um, but if you've ever seen Texas Chainsaw Massacre at the at the climax of the film when he's chasing the girl out on the road, she breaks a window out of the house and runs out. She like jumps out of a fucking window and breaks it and everything and lands on the lawn. Yeah, they recreated that scare. Oh like they have a scene where Leatherface jumps out and the fucking actress sees him and she fucking falls back into a curtain that looks like the window, but it's a room, but then they play a glass shattering effect like she fell out the window. Oh but like I so I've seen that. Um people told me Monsters is really fucking good. They told me Scarecrow was probably the best one. Um, but that Texas and Exorcist were a little underwhelming. Um Yeah, that that that Exorcist Believer one was kind of I didn't like the movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:06

I didn't like the movie either.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:08

I like I've I've gone on record and say this though. The year it came to Halloween Hornets out here, uh I I've gone on record and saying that the maze was way better than the movie. And that's sad. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:17

Like Well the first one, the first Exorcist movie was on the at that Maze the when they made the maze over at uh Yeah, 2016 that they first brought that.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:26

Great. And then the first year they brought it was great. And then when they brought it back, I think in 21 or 22, they put it in a soundstage, and it was the exact same thing. I knew it was going to be. It still scared me. Um, but I did, I think I liked it and got scared more in the first year when I went through it. Because that that's one movie that's always scared the shit out of me. What do you think of this new one that's coming out? Mike Flanagan's doing it, so I think fucking crazy. And it's got a stat cast. Like Scarlet Johansson, Lawrence Fishburne. Uh, you think it's gonna be the same. It's gonna be the same story. It's supposed to be the same story.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:57

Same story, okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:58

Yeah, or the same, it's supposed to be the same universe, at least, same timeline. Um, because this was this was originally slated to be a trilogy that Blumhouse wanted to do. They wanted to go obviously start with the Exorcist one, the original, and then Exorcist Believer is the sequel to that. Now I'm hoping with three, I mean, for spoilers who didn't see Believer, at the end of at the end of Believer, the mom from the first movie is heavily involved in this movie. Yes. And then uh at the very end, you know, the mom goes blind from the from the from the uh when they were doing the exorcism. And uh Linda Blair made a fucking cameo at the very end. She is Reagan.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:32

Yes, she's Reagan.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:34

She's the original, she's originally.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:35

You know, and like she got possessed. But I think she was the one, but did she-I heard some okay, so she's gonna be like at the very end. She came at the very end, but I heard that she wasn't didn't want any involvement with that.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:48

I thought so too, and then they got her in a cameo at the very end. Well, like I was shocked. I was because I said the I yelled it in the theater. I'm like, you said you weren't gonna do this one. Yeah, but I guess because it was a cameo and it didn't really have like her scene specifically didn't have anything to do with the possession scenes. It was at the end of the film when like her mom's bed rest from like she just gotten like I think surgery or checked out, she's got like um, you know, um like gauze over her eyes to protect them. And she goes and visits her mom at the end, and she just goes and sits by her side. Um, and that's that's the most to the extent of that went. Is like so, like, I don't know if you pick up from that. Do you include her in the third film? It seems like Mike Flanagan has an idea of where he wants to go. Mike Flanagan has not disappointed me one bit yet at all. So he made what? He made He made Haunting in the Hill House, he made Haunting in a Blind Manor, he made Midnight Mass, he made the the how the The Fall of the House of Ash, um, which is one of my all-time favorite shows. Um he made The Midnight Club, he made Doctor Sleep, he made Hush, he made um what else? I think that's he made something else, but he is just one of those directors. I don't know, am I messing with the audio? I'm sorry. No, you're fine. Um he he is one of those directors that is helping keep the horror genre alive. And and he's getting it to a point where uh where I think um who was the director that that wanted it Wes Craven. Oh Wes Craven Wes Craven in an interview said that um a lot of people just don't understand the horror genre, that's why they just think it's just whore, blood, and guts. But like if you watch some of the stories that Wes Craven, for example, has made, it's more than that. Like there's a story to be told. There's like basically his saying was it's wrong that the Academy keeps horror out of the awards because they deserve just as much of awards as any other movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:36

Yeah, yeah. I'm kind of excited to see it because where it's gonna be held into, and I'm hoping that it doesn't stay as this like overly I mean hopefully hype movie, and then it just turns down.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:49

Well, how many horror movies are nominated?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:50

Sinners and Frankenstein are Sinners and Frankenstein, but like I do you count Frankenstein as a horror film? Because I I had a hard time uh seeing it as a horror film. I saw it more of like a like a sci-fi like kind of creatures.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:11

It's a creature feature film, yeah. It's like a creature horror film, if you more because the original, I I've read I've I haven't read it. I listened to the audiobook, the original Frankenstein by Mary Shelley. And honestly, Del Toro's depiction of it has been the most spot-on balls accurate of the because he's a huge fan of that book. So like he wanted to do a huge love letter to that book, so that's why his movie is the most accurate. Um don't get me wrong, Boris Carloff obviously is my guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I am a massive Frankenstein fan. Like, I he is my favorite monster. Um, he is the most misunderstood monster, he is the most like he just didn't ask to be made, and then when he got made, people just didn't accept him. Yeah, you know what I mean. Set as the most original, greatest. And he drops the hardest line in all the fucking movies, We Belong Dead, you know. Like that's such a great line. It's it's clearly stuck with them this long, you know. So I was honestly like, I was excited that Guilmon Ottero was gonna do this movie. I was just a little kind of because to me, this movie is the end all be all when it comes to Frankenstein. I love this movie so much. Um, but he did an incredible job. He did, and Oscar Isaac did a great job as Dr. Frankenstein. Mia Goth was great as the bride.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:27

Yeah. It was um it was interesting to watch. I thought it was it was a little bit uh more. He should win at least makeup, in my opinion. I think he should, but I I didn't see much. I I mean I guess I could see as like a best picture movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:42

Um it's just because the Academy recognizes him as one of those kind of like artesian act uh filmmakers.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:48

Well, one of them was shouldn't have been his uh F1. F1 was not F1 was like uh it was hard to like like understand. It was good, it was like a good so the thing is like it's a good movie, it's a good Pac one flick movie. Like I love I love those kind of movies where it's just like it's such has a such a good adrenaline, um, like about a piece about like you know, racing, winning, you know, you know, doing you know, some guy, old man that was there, hasn't been in years, uh uh decades, and he just comes back and tries to be the best of all, you know, it's like reputation, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:24

Isn't he training this kid too at the same time? Because he's supposed to be the next generation, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:29

Right, and he then that kid becomes cocky, arrogant because he's like the older one. So it he he just it's um it's kind of cool to watch. Like that that kind of storyline is awesome to see. I I just didn't see it as like a as like a best picture. I don't think so. Maybe best on I mean I'm glad it's on best ensemble, best box office, wherever the uh category was, but I it and it and it's made by a Joseph Krasinski film. Joseph Krasinski made Ford and Ferrari and V Ferrari show guys. Yeah, Ford Ferrari. But he's a car guy, it seems like, yeah, and he that movie was like that's understandable. Like I felt like that time that period piece like of history was accurate, and it's it's still like that's I just throw in real quick since we're on Ford v.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:18

Ferrari. Yeah, Matt Damon is just such a great actor. Oh, he's so great. I just watched um The Rip. The Rip. This great right a few weeks ago. And like tell me why I was the only one that did not think that Matt Damon was the bad guy. I actually thought it was Ben Afflecked. Because Ben Affleck was playing the I'm playing it cool, but I can be playing it cool to the very end. Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:39

And then it just twists around.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:41

I'm like, yeah, Jordan and Glenn.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:43

Yeah, it was it was a cool movie, but like a great movie, yeah. But like that that that's what I'm saying. Like the that Ford and Ferriari movie was um was was great to be part of like the job the category.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:55

But see that it was a period piece, it's accurate, and then Ford Fiora uh like that's also a story to be told too, because like that was an important part of history with the car making design of like Ford coming to fucking um Shelby and telling him we want to beat fucking Ferrari in this race and we need your help to build the actual fastest racing car against Ferrari.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:15

Yes, and I see then you look at F1, I think that's based off true for true events.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:20

Like that's based so what's the what's is it like the start? Is it about the start of F1 or is it just about the start of that's what I thought. It's like that's because that's what I was thinking it was about. So it's about a guy who just maybe who was old and then he made a return.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:34

He may return.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:35

Was it like a it was for it was hard for him to return?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:38

Yes, because he had like he got a bad accident, bad accident, and he um so like he's dealing with that that trauma, and then plus he meets this arrogant, cocky, like new generation guy that's really good, and then he's then when he when the old guy, which is Brad Pitt, like you rate a outrates him, then he be then the new kid becomes like more meaner, more project becomes meaner, but like and then at the end, and then like plus he he I do like that scene at the end though where he goes, where you going?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:06

He goes, Nah, you guys don't need me no more. You guys go have fun. He goes, Nah, like have fun with us. He goes, Nah, I'm good. He's like, I'm where I need to be. I'm just like that's cool though. Fuck, I can relate to that though. It's like when you just step away, it's like I'm not mad, I'm not good. Like, I'm in a good place, like I'm good. Go have it. He just takes off.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:20

He just takes off and he does like other shit. Riding off into the sunset. And he's like, and then he he talks about like how the you know he wants to join into these other race teams or these other race competitions, and then they're like, Are you talking about money? He goes, It's not about the money.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:33

He just likes doing it. He loves doing it. But I think another reason why that that movie got nominated the way it did, it's probably for the same reason why Top Gun Maverick got nominated the way it did. Because they they well, no, it's just the fact that they actually raced with the cars, they didn't do CGI, like same thing with Top Gun Mavericks. I think that's why Top Gun Maverick is the best film of the 2020s.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:52

Well, this well, yes, I agree. So far. So far, yes. That's until the Odyssey comes out. Um, which is another one I'm glad that's coming out. But like that, that you look at that piece, um, it it's great that the sound, the sound of that, the sound editing of that's great. And then plus, like, you look all the film, all the cinema target and everything, and the the production, it is a Jerry Brockheimer production. Well, not as mentioned, dude, like and they have Han Zimmer making music. Yeah, Han Zimmer's great for F1. Yeah. And then when they're all winning, and then it sounds like the Dune music in the background, like it's cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:30

Nah, dude, but like I with a movie like um uh what was it we were just talking about?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:34

Um for uh for the other one? Yeah. I forgot too. I just had a freaking massive brain for it.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:42

Um no, uh, we're talking about um Top Gun Maverick. Oh, Top Gun Maverick. Um for like a movie like that, like I would you know, you gotta you have your director that's directing it, but then you have if you if you watch the behind the scenes, Tom Cruise directed just as much of that movie as the director did. You want to hear a wild conspiracy that's going on with this movie? What? There's okay, it's controversial. This is the next way to freaking get people into the Navy so they can get people more people. No. So well that's how I heard that what happened with the first Top Gun. Like, so many people watched this movie and like wanted to join the Navy after. Right. And and I ain't gonna lie, I had the same mindset when I saw that join the Navy. They're like, You're too tall to fly a plane. I'm like, I'm not joining the Navy.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:21

And that was the same people that want to become blue people in Avatar, you know, they wanted to become like I want to go to Pandora. Come on. There's a p there's a whole statistics of that, but like there there is a whole wild conspiracy about you know this Iran war that's going on, or this like war that was like with um Hamas and everything. Yeah. The there there is the move they were already planning this years before you know before well. The mission is to strike at Iran.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:55

Was it were they in Iran?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:56

They're in Iran.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:57

I I remember it was a a nuclear facility that they had to take out because it but they didn't want it to go live.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:03

Yes, and then that's why they had to strike at Iran. And then they and if you look at the the side-by-side piece, they were looking at you know the real airstrikers that were doing that. So them watching this movie would give the audience comfort that the Iran war was gonna happen was gonna be okay to be.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:21

No, this watching this movie was the White House going, hey, I got an idea.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:26

Yeah, it's not a good idea, not a good idea, but it's uh it's it's so crazy. Yeah, but like war that's crazy though. But like war movies like that are like just you have to make it to a fucking point and like stay accurate. I mean, I wish that I wish Zero Dark 30, but I I I think Zero Zero Dark 30 is like one of my favorite war movies. Um, I just think that because it's just so scary to watch and so accurate, so dark.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:53

I remember I saw an interview with Matt Dane. I was thinking about this when you're talking about war movies. And he was like, uh one of the actors, like, dude, have you seen fucking have you seen Save a Private Ryan? It's such a good movie. He goes, Dog, I am Private Ryan. Tom Hanks' character comes to save me.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:09

Yeah, yeah, he saves me. And then he uh, you know that that a funny fact about that, I I heard Matt Damon in an interview like way long time ago, I think it was inside the actor studio, when he was talking about that movie, he was saying he met him when he did a movie way before that where he was way too skinny. Like he just like he was like a kid, he was like a teen very young, but like Steven Spielberg saw him, you know, for the auditions for uh Pirate Ryan, and he looks at him and he goes, I and I I might be some wrong at this, so just uh bear with me. But like he he goes up to him and goes, Hey, uh, I really wanted to not like cast you in this as Private Ryan, but you were too skinny. It was like I didn't want that that's why I didn't want you in at the first place. But his acting chops, bro. But his acting chops were like fucking just there. That's what it is, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:02

It was great. It was a great movie. Dude, I uh dude, I've I've become lately I've become more of a Matt Damon fan. Just like his acting, his acting can go a wide variety of things. One of my favorite movies that he's in, it's a Kevin Smith movie, it's called Dogma. Yes, and he played they play an he plays a he plays Angel an angel with um with Ben Affleck, and they're they're angels trying to get back into heaven. They were they were banished from heaven because they pretty much disobeyed God. Don't get me wrong, it ain't a religious movie at any point. It's a fucking Kevin Smith movie. If you know Kevin Smith's humor, it's a Kevin Smith movie at the end of the day. Actually, when this movie came out, the Catholic Church was very much protesting this film because it was about the Catholic Church. Um, but there's a scene in there specifically that like what really made me like him and really appreciate him as an actor. And I I always have, I've always had liked him and stuff, but there's this one scene after they get thrown off the train, they um they go into this parking lot, and him and Ben Affleck are having this back and forth of like talking about like Ben Affleck finally realizes like why like what he's here for, like he realizes why like what his purpose is as an angel. Like he wakes up essentially and starts to like like become like the angel who he used to be. And he starts spewing all this stuff, like very similar to like how in in like if you know anything about religion, like in the Bible, how Lucifer spilled a lot of things to the God, you know, and Ben and Matt Damon just looks at him like scared and kind of shocked and goes, Oh my god, dude. He goes, I've heard this before. He goes, You sound just like him, and he goes and then Ben Affle looks at him and goes, Don't you fucking say it? And he goes, You sound just like the morning star. And they just have this like intense back and forth, bro. And like it's just it's a pivotal part of the movie because like this whole movie leading up to that scene is like funny, and like there's some like kind of there's a couple disturbing like death scenes in there, but like it ain't nothing like gruesome, but like it's funny, and then there's and then there's just the this this scene that's just like a serious scene, there's no comedy in it, it's just them in a fucking empty parking lot going back and forth, and it's just so good. And then like I watch the rip and I'm just like this guy, you watch Oppenheimer, you watch all these movies that he's in, he's great. One of my all-time favorite movies that he's in. Um fuck, why is it why I'm drawing a blank of it? Uh Goodwill Hunting? Yes, Goodwill Hunting.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:13

He was so good in that.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:14

That's where I saw him as like one of the best fucking serious actors of all time. Like, I was just like, holy shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:21

Both of them as like Ben and him were like as Boston citizens, just were just Robin Williams, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:29

Oh my god. Like, that was the one movie where he wasn't funny. He was so like he was a serious actor in that film, and that just shows you the range of acting that this guy can do when 90% of the time he's funny, but that that was that 10% in goodwill hunting that he literally like yeah, when he when he has all those one-on-ones with Matt Damon, they they start getting deeper and deeper into each other's lives, and eventually when he hits the nerve of talking about his wife who passed away, and you just see Robin Williams just like hysterically kind of laugh at it because he's just like, Oh, you want to go there? It's like, all right, we'll go there. Like, let me tell you the real story behind things of why I am the way I am. And it's just like, holy shit, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:04

Like, it's I miss that.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:06

That's another actor I miss every single day. Me too.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:08

Robin Williams was such a such a good actor. I I feel like he if he got in a couple more roles, I think he would have been a a frickin' legend at that. I think he would have been a very good one.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:19

Yeah, I think if he would have been alive today, he would have been, I think he would have shifted more towards serious. I think he would have done some comedy here and there, but I think he mostly would have done more serious pieces.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:27

Yeah, that was the scene with when he talks about his wife, where he talks about like him, he's like he he talks with Matt Damon in that that pawn area where he talks about like you don't know about real loss because it only occurs when you love you more than you love yourself.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:42

And I was like, fuck. He hits him so hard with so deep. He just hit him so hard with knowledge, and Matt Damon just sits there like dumbfounded, like, oh fuck, like what did I open?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:50

That that really hit me when I was going through a lot with my my parents' death. I was like, I listened to a lot. And that was my mom was a big fan of uh Robert Williams. I mean, the best the best um uh the stand-up special you did was live at the live at Broadway in New York was in 2002 when he talks about the aftermath about like 9-11 and talks shit about George Bush and Bill Clinton. Yeah, and then he talks about like the whole Jerusalem and like goes into religion. It's such a fucking great hour. I fuck, I laugh so hard at that.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:21

It's probably one of my best ones. He yeah, he was so good, man. And like I always I always think of like what if he was still alive today? Like what I think about that a lot of actors, but he was he was good. One of my favorite things that he did was um the show back in the day, Whose Line Is It Anyway? Yeah, and he was a guest star on it, and he was so but like that's the thing, bro. Like he was so funny and he looked so happy all the time, you would never it's a terrifying thing. You just but like he was so funny and so happy all the time, you would never guess he was depressed. He had that wild blonde hair too, right? For a little bit. Yeah, for a little bit. Like, and then when like the way he died, bro, I was just like, I I would never think that in a million years. That guy seemed like the Happiest person on the planet.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:01

Well, it's those people that you kind of have to like watch out for check, watch out for and just like take care of because there's a man, there's a lot of people like that. I've seen, I mean, I've witnessed to and at haunt. Man, it's scary as fuck. It's scary as fuck. I mean, I've I I I've had personal uh problems like that with myself, you know, in like my life. And you know, you just gotta look at those people and tell them like it's okay. You gotta tell them like you got you you can do this and you have so much to give and that there's there's more to you. I mean it's not like the whole bullshit where you know the grass is green on the other side. Yeah, it's cheesy, but like there's more there's there's so much out there for you at that age, and and you have so much people that love you, you don't think you don't think so. I think people I think people like that, especially in like where we are in this community, like people have attempt like that. I I've I that's where I felt that's why I it hurt me so much when Gabriel passed. Well, he was a saber tooth. I mean he we call him saber tooth, but he was a dentist back in the day. He gave me my haunt name, um, Hostel.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:12

That guy passed.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:13

It was or the one I hear about I never got to meet, uh Lee. Lee. Lee. Uh he was on Ghost Town. He was in Decay too.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:24

Oh, um um Nelson Lee. Yeah. Yeah, Nelson, yeah. That was a he had a very sickness too. And uh that that I met that guy before too. He shook my hand and said, like, just said great.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:35

Same thing with um I hear a lot of great things about uh squeaks.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:39

Squeaks, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:40

Like he didn't he didn't die of depression. He I think he had some health issues, yeah, some health issues. But that was that was unfortunate.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:45

I met him a few times too.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:46

I never got to meet him, and like everyone that I've talked to said nothing but great things about him. Great. Um, I've I've met his wife that she I know I know Marnie. Marnie so she does stuff at harbor, and so I've seen I see her all the time, and you know, so it's it it was it was tough to see that.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:03

That was very sad to see. I mean, the the one the one that hit me I I felt really bad for I never met him, but was Adam the woe. Dude, that one hit me hard.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:13

Yeah, I I I watched him religiously as a kid, teenager, even into my adult years, bro. Like he was I could confidently say he was a pretty big influence on me right on things.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:23

He was big on um Rick's side, Rick's.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:25

Yeah, Rick was good friends with him, but like he I I was fortunate enough to get to talk to him, like, and I'm not talking just like a few seconds, like I had I remember one event specifically in 2019, I had a full-blown conversation with him, and he was the coolest guy. I throughout the year, even before I started Nights of Horror, like when I was a fan, dude, like I remember the first time I ever ran into him was at Disneyland out of all places, and I was like, I knew I one day would eventually run into him at Disneyland, like I knew I would. And then over the years, like I I regret this now, but like over the years, I would see him constantly at places, you know, and it's just like now I'm I'm not gonna be able to. I wish I would have talked to him more. I I I would say what's up every now and then just to say hi. Um, but like I I and this is just a me thing. I get very social anxiety, believe it or not. I get very social anxiety when it comes to meeting new people or meeting quote unquote bigger names, if because I consider him a bigger name. He was almost at a million subs with that, and on his main channel, he was over a million subs, but on his vlogging channel, he think he reached like somewhere like 750,000 people, you know, and so I I was always nervous, and not to mention, like he would always hang out with like a crew of other well-known content creators, so it's an intimidating thing to step up to just go say hi to one person when there's a flu of people you already know on the YouTube on YouTube as well. Um but he was he was a nice guy, he was awesome, he was cool, and uh I loved his content and he was real. And what I loved about him, um you never saw him with a media badge really to go places, he just did whatever he what he wanted to do. And I think he just walked around. I've seen him walk around a ton of times. He just won at midsummer. He was what we consider like a roamer in the world. Like he just he was always driving, going cross-country towards I know at like the end of his his life, like he actually got around and went overseas and did some overseas trips. So like that was really cool to see him travel the world even more. He went everywhere in the United States he can possibly go. Now it was time for him to explore outside of the United States, and he was he was that was the next kind of start of his journey now. It looks like it he had done two overseas trips of like different places and and everything. But dude, I'm I mean it even to find out how he uh he passed away, I think at a heart attack in his house by himself. Yeah, he lives in Florida, right? Yeah, he lived in uh Celebration, Florida, which is uh if anybody knows that and he talked about it extensively, that's why I know about it. This the town of Celebration used to be owned by Disney, right? So it was like him, it was always a dream of his to live in a town owned by Disney.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:58

Yeah, I I was trying to find out what was going on with that because I I I mean it's none of my business either, but I was just like I was like, God, dude. Like that like happened. Like, how do you happen?

SPEAKER_03 1:33:07

Just think about it now, bro. You go to a lot of the same thing as I do, you're not gonna see him anymore. That's what's the hard that's what's gonna be the hardest part about this year. I'm not gonna lie to you.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:16

And I know that I'm nobody, I know he's got friends that are a lot closer that are going through a lot of, you know, are very depressed about this, and I rightfully so. You know, it's it's it's a very sad and unexpected situation, but like, you know, it it's it it's hit me a couple times because there were moments where I was bored at night and I would throw on an Adam the Wu vlog that came out today, and I was just like, Yeah, I get to watch something brand new. Dude, I watched his last vlog, and then little did I know I was gonna that would be the last time I ever hear Adam the Wu say his catchphrases. Just the things that you know from the style of vlogs that he'd make, just the little things that you would you're not gonna be able to hear those no more, you're not gonna be able to see them no more. Like it's gonna be very hard during midsummer screen during haunt season to show up and see all of his friends and not see him. Yeah, honestly, it really is. I think it is and it's gonna hit me even harder probably then. It's hit it hit me hard when it initially happened, and it hit me it's hit me a couple times thinking about it because I'm just like fuck Adam's not here.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:10

I'm sure Rick Russ is gonna do like a uh local uh I don't know if he'll do any he'll probably I hope so.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:18

Maybe he'll do a little tribute. I haven't heard anything. Obviously, there's still news coming out, it's still still early. Um, but I do know that he came out um because he lives, he resides in Vegas now. Um so he came out last weekend, not this past weekend, but like last weekend, they had a whole memorial show for him in Santa Ana, I think. Um, and he came out, went to the show, the memorial show, and it looked like a really good show. Even fucking Biff showed up from Back to the Future because him and Biff were like they became good friends. Because Adam the Woo was a massive Back to the Future fan. So uh one of the one of his prize possessions that he had was he had uh a Back to the Future movie poster, the original poster of Marty checking his watch and everything, and he had every cast member from Back to the Future sign it. Every single cast member. Wow. And he was one of the last cast members that he needed a signature from. For years he wasn't doing conventions or appearances, and more recently he did, and because of Adam, he was able to break out of his shell more and he did more appearances. He started vlogging because of Adam. He showed up at his fucking at his memorial and he did like a whole song for him and everything. Like I was like, dude, this is Biff from Back to the Future. Wow, one of the greatest villains in movie history.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:28

Yeah, that was at the Garden Amp, I think. Garden Amp, yeah, Garden Amp. Yeah, oh I know uh I know uh Tyler um and his wife. Um they always hang out in Ghost Town, they always no, they hang out around. I'm sorry, and Carnival Carnival. Yeah, I see them all the time.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:43

I met I They were big friends of Adam the Wu too.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:46

Yeah, they're big fans of Adam the Wu. And then there are um the other guy that's pretty popular with the Justin Scard. Justin Scard. Yeah, I met that guy. They were best friends, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:53

I I know all yeah, because of Adam, I know all these guys.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:56

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:57

If it weren't for Adam, I would not know any of these people. Eventually, I probably would, curiosity would, the algorithms would shift and they would suggest these people, but it's because of Adam that I learned about them very early on. I learned about Justin first, I learned about um Fresh Baked, I learned about all these people, like uh Carpet Bagger, all these people, and now because of them, like it just gives me more people to watch. Right. And a lot of them do a lot of the same content, but then like you'll have carpetbagger on one side of the world, and then you at the time you had Adam the Wu at like another side of the world, and they were producing two different videos, but it was different points of view, and it made me kind of that honestly. I'll I'll be completely honest with you. It's because of videos like that, specifically Adam, that made me want to travel more. Yeah, like I want to go explore the world now because like I see Adam's doing it and he's having fun doing it, but you know, it's like uh where am I what am I doing? You know, it's like I want to go visit places, I want to go see the world, like motivates you. It does, it does. So yeah, it's some of the hard one on me.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:55

Yeah, it was a hard, yeah, hard one. Like when I met those guys, like I didn't even think of realizing, like, oh, these are big like content creators, and I'm like in our at least in our community. I'm missing being Justin Scard and I'm like, this is a normal dude. But when I meet frickin' Paul for shit every time, I'm freaking nervous. Paul for shit was uh Paul for Shit was like an old he's spawned. He was in fucking ghost town, he was a regulator. Like that guy I met, I I mean that guy I looked up to.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:23

That's what I'm saying. Like, there's there's and there's that's why I like these communities like that. Like in the scare actor community, and I can't speak for this because I don't scare in the monster scare actor community. I see a lot of people that look up to older monsters that are the reason why, like, for example, my buddy Matt, he loves he talks about older monsters all the time. That that was the biggest influence for him when he went to haunt back the day. Those are the people he saw scare, and those are the people that he tried to he wanted to be like, and and it shows in today's characters that he's done in Ghost Town that he there is people that have come up to him and told them that he is scaring like old school ghost town. Yeah, and that's what he was trying to go for. And even I see that because I've watched clips of old school ghost town, you know. I I really didn't get to witness old school ghost town too much with my own eyes, but who's Matt, by the way? Barrera. Oh, Barrera, yes, yes. I'm sorry, yes. Go ahead. Um, I know Barrera. But so yeah, he like he's he's been one example. He does scare like old school haunt. He does, he has the same style of it's crazy. I was like, and he's he's prided himself and worked very hard to try to bring that feel back, and he's trying to do it across the the board with everybody, you know, he's trying to motivate everyone to start doing that again. And and I agree with him wholeheartedly. Like there's been a shift within Ghost Town lately where it not as scary as it used to be.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:36

And it's not I don't think it's really Yeah, I have a few things that like I would say about that, but like I think that's just personally for me, like what I think.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:44

Because like I mean, it it is I will say too, they also lost a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:49

Yes, they lost it it is a cutback, and I think it was the form of scaring that didn't that they didn't seem to catch. Like I know it will you could say the same argument for like me and Aaron and Vi were talking about this, like about um about going 20s used to be a very good uh you know, scare zone. Shout out Aaron, I haven't talked to him in a while and I miss that guy. It's great, he's a great dude. Um and he he they talk about how like back in the day were like Jenny Mickelson, Rick Creeper, all these other dudes, Ika was in part of that. Then like and um all these other dudes, like uh Andrew was one of the um was the preacher with Jen. And was like that was a action that was a whole pack house like good monsters. That was like they fucking tear that place apart so well. So what did you guys all get tired of Ghost Town and went to Carnival? They all fucking got tired and went to Carnival. All of it. Well, they all agreed, they all agreed to. They were like, let's go to Carnival, let's go over there and just like I mean, eventually they had to. I mean, that was the same thing. No, but like and plus they had a good they had a good uh cast lead, and then so like that's but that's just gory. But like I'm talking about like Ghost Town, like they have a lot of good talent. They do, they have a lot of good talent. We will not deny that.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:13

And I this is gonna sound controversial, and I'm almost I'll be honest with you too. Even the people I don't talk to anymore, yes, I still think are good talent. Yes, honestly, I agree too. Because like we may not see eye to eye on things, we may not talk, we may not get along, but I'm still gonna appreciate you for all the work you're doing out here. And I it may not be what I want to see all the time, but you are making the efforts to to to really get out there and prove yourself, and I and I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:36

Yes, and I I think what what what were they so leaning towards on was lore, like lore character, and I I got I I have to say, to be honest with you though, 2019's kind of to blame for that.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:49

2019's a solid year, great, but 2019 was the year that really stepped up. They were trying to really remember that year? They were trying to make everything in the park tie in together.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:57

Yeah, they're tying into the universe, and I think everyone had that motivation to go like, oh well, we can independently ourselves write lore, you know, con either lore stories for ourselves and then bring it to Ghost Town, and then not only that, focus on there's a for for me as like a talent, I I've only been here for like 13 years now. Almost it's only 13 years. Lucky 13. Lucky 13. And I I've seen that there is a balance between lore and scaring. Like there, there's a there's gotta be a fine well balance between those two. Merrick. And I think Merrick is the best one you want to fucking talk.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:35

That's the best example.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:36

You want to talk about lore and fucking scaring good at the same time, Merrick. Not only because he's my best friend and I'm more likely to be part of his wedding if I can, but like he's he's gonna be, but like that's the guy that knows how to do lore and write a fucking piece off of someone, yeah, uh, off a storyline that was a personal story of his and fucking scare the sh out of him.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:57

I'm gonna go I'll go on and say it right now. I don't give a fuck what people say. I don't care if you don't like the way he scares, I don't care if whatever you say. It's effective, it works, and it shows every single scene.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:06

Well, that's why he's the most dominant one in the whole fucking cast. Yeah. And he's the best one out of that. But the problem is, is that like this what I've been seeing is and sure there's an argument to this, but like I've seen a lot more uh lore going on versus scaring. Yeah. Like I didn't, I didn't really with the whole the whole ladies at Ghost Town that were bantering at the at the hotel. I didn't like that. I'm sorry. I you can fucking criticize me however you want. I know Maddie, I know Ashley, I know everyone that does all that shit. I I think that is too much like bantering going on and less of scary that takes away from all that. Yes, you can do that once in a while when you can when you have the free time for like maybe for a little bit, but also you should go back to what the K key factor, what Scary Farm is, is scary, and they have that they have that so uh diamond like crushed so well, but like they lost it because a lot of these people are so into this lore of um uh effect, like lore side of like they want to make their character better by doing writing more stories and showing more of like their then they show like theatrical stuff and and freaking came out alley. And I'm like, I don't I I don't see that, I don't like I don't like that. But like also I get that you're trying to present a character you're trying to present audiences to see what the characters are, but do you think how many percentage of these people are gonna understand? I think less. There's gonna be less people of that. There's gonna be less of those. Like, I only see I think 15-20% of those people are gonna understand, and then the rest of the people are gonna just say, Well, that's just a werewolf.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:55

I feel like there's also like a handful of people out there that want to try so hard to become an icon or try so hard to like include themselves in the main storyline, and it's just like dude, but it's a lot. I like I and it's not just one zone, it's like there's multiple zones that do it. Like, yeah, and and it's like, listen, I get it. I'm a big story guy too. I love a good story, I love good lore. I love to I love to read, I love to learn about stuff, and when you know things and when you learn about things, it it helps make some experiences a lot better. Yeah, but I'm gonna be honest with you. About 90% of your guests that are walking through on a given night are not gonna just stand in the zone and listen to you chat and ramble about things for a few minutes. You know, like they're literally walking through your zone just to get to the next experience. That's literally your your job is to keep them scared and on edge until they get to that next experience.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:46

And I and I see I see that as well. It's like I I think a lot of these people are just gonna see what your costume is and they're gonna see like, oh, it's a bride, it's a werewolf, it's a a demon, whatever. Um they're they're gonna see that and uh they're gonna see the guy with a strait jacket. I'm not gonna present myself as like doing just you know, showing my lore of what this hostile character is. I'm just gonna fucking scare the shit out of you and act like a fucking.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:14

I mean, I don't I don't think it was until we did the first podcast that we you finally actually came out and said your story. Yeah. Because I remember people saying like they never knew your story up until that show. And so it's like that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:26

Like it's uh it's it's it was a very, you know, it was hard. Like I I don't remember the whole fucking backstory. I I re- I like when I if I ever come back, I I'm hoping so is that like I will have to revamp the whole story to kind of make sense because like I kind of made it up on the spot. The same thing with freaking the carnival character and the character I did in 2024 or 20 yeah, 24. And it's like a lot of these are just like spilled out on the on the spot. I'm like, here you go, this is what I got. Let me know what you think. And then um, and then at the end, sometimes I'm like draft here and I like I put I take things out, add things here and there, I'm like, well, whatever. But I feel like doing the lore character of that stuff, it should be on your own time. I which we have been doing that this this last year, right? But I think people are were so uh com wrapped up into this, like I gotta have a lore of of a piece to have the audience understand the character, which you don't really have to in some sure you can. I mean, yeah, write a summary, but like but show that you can actually do the work. There's there's and I think people are doing this whole lore stuff. I just gonna give me in trouble, I don't care. But like it's um it's like I think people are doing this this lore stuff to get the validation. There's a vi difference between validation and work ethic. Yeah, hey Mike, you you wanna do this to get validation over you wanna do lore to get validation, or would you rather get like better validation from your work ethic from scaring? Yeah. Yes, you can show like it doesn't mean you don't you cannot show what you what you are. I mean you can show as a lore you can show that a little bit. I mean there's but that's why there's a balance between lore and scaring. That's that's what you have to that I mean that's why I felt like you have to do in this time.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:27

Here's a perfect example of of of work that a work ethic can get you where you want to go. Um I just I did a podcast recently with Destiny. For those watch, for those watching, it's gonna be out next week, but uh I just recently recorded a podcast, which is great. She's amazing, she's awesome. And um we talked about uh we talked about her work ethic a little bit. Like it wasn't like specifically like that was the topic of conversation is work ethic. It was she was we were talking about her years in haunt and what she's done over the years. And you know my show. I just do I like if I've never had you on a guest, I want to learn about your haunt history, what got you into the industry, all that stuff. So I'm uh we're going through the lore, and uh she talks about how she worked uh one year at Scary Farm, she worked in one of the when they used to do like the skeleton key rooms and stuff like that. And she talked about how one year she worked and it started the experience started with six characters in there, and by the end of the the by the end of this the run, it was three. And she talked about how she had to like run back and forth, and there were sometimes there was only like two or one of them in there just doing the entire experience of while the other ones were on launch or break. And she talked about how she had to go in there and do all these roles, all these parts, and just like run a runway and then go to the next area and run. Um and then she talked about how because of that, and they recognized her their hard work and dedication, how she was able to, they literally gave her the freedom to like, where do you want to go next year? You can go anywhere you want, maze, streets, anywhere you want. And I think that was the year because she one of her biggest dreams getting into haunt was she wanted to go to Carnival. So she she jumped on the bat, she jumped on the wagon to go to Carnival and and she was in Carnival. And that's but that's just an example of like if you work hard enough and you show higher ups, like, hey, I can man this by myself and I can get the scares and I can give people a good experience to walk away from, they're gonna look at that and recognize that and be like, that's someone we want on our staff because they're showing good work ethic and they're gonna be able to keep uh something going in case something goes down or something.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:17

Right. So no, I get that, and that shows like I mean, she shows great work ethic. I think that's a really good example of like who does really good work as far as just like I'm not here to like write to make myself like please everybody. I think she's just there to just work, and um, yeah, dude, she's she was just uh she's she was a great one. Um I saw uh what was gonna say. Oh yeah, you went over to Zoe Reborn.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:47

Yes, yeah, how was that? So that was our uh our third time being there, but I've only played the game one time. I've never played it since I've played it the first time, and it's not because I'm scared to do it, it's just because I literally can't find anyone else brave enough to. To do it. Fucking scary. But no, we were uh I've been fortunate enough to work with them, Christina, um, a few times now. They've they're very welcoming, very welcoming with open arms. They're very uh very cool, very nice people. Um I I know on social media sometimes you'll hear a story here and there that tries to get them a bad rep, but honestly, I've never out of all the times I've worked with them, both on camera and off camera, I've never experienced anything negative, bad, uh, or anything that made me feel uncomfortable or would not want to come back. Like I I'm already planning a part two for our uh day in the life again. Uh Christina was the biggest opinion that I cared about when that documentary just we dropped that documentary last month of the day in the life of what it takes to run the escape room the entire day. Um we were given free range to go film wherever we wanted in the escape room. We were given free range to um set up equipment where we wanted in the escape room. Um we we pretty much could do whatever we wanted. And we we were I I respected that. You know, I I I was very nervous still to go in the experience while people were doing it to get footage and stuff like that because I didn't want to ruin the experience for anyone as well. Like you just you have this whole horror experience going on, then you have this guy with a camera in the corner filming it all. It's like it does it it wouldn't sit well with people, you know, and they pay they pay good money to do this experience, you know. So it's like I don't want to ruin it for them. Um so I I did get what I can. There are some things that I'm looking at for when we do a part two eventually, which I'm looking to maybe come down hopefully this summer, um, and uh to do things better. One of the things that I got a lot of comments for yesterday, because I got to talk to a lot of people at the community slider day that Insane Haunt Productions went on at the Chapman Sports Park. Um, a lot of people told me they were big fans of the confessional. Um, and what that was was I set up my computer and my camera and I had the cast every now and then when they wanted to spill beans or just get something off their chest or just talk to somebody. Uh, I opened up what like what we called the confessional. And a lot of people wouldn't seem to enjoy that. Uh the sucky part about this first episode that we did is when we did the confessionals, um, I think the third the fourth time someone went and go do it, um, my camera, if it's not being used after long periods of time, just shuts off on its own and won't come back on until you actually flip the switch on and off again. It's just because it's just the that's just how they are. It just shuts off on its own, save memory or save battery. And or if it's not being used. And if um it was like that, and one of the actors went in to um record something, and then like all the rest of the actors recorded that day, and then I went to look at the footage and it was all just black screen. No one's like, no. So we got three confessionals taped with Ross, and the last one was Ross and Destiny, which was hilarious. But I already know how I'm gonna do that differently this time. I know how I want to shoot things differently this time, and I just overall like I'm hoping to just I got some new equipment, so I'm hoping to just uh they've already said I can come back anytime I want. Like, literally, I can just show up anytime I want and just cool, you know. But uh, she wants to do um she wants me to do another one of those because I want to do it for just Zoe Reborn now, because the when I did the the one we just released was for their Krampus Layover, and we filmed that in like the beginning of the year, and we just released it. So um we're gonna do that and hopefully a podcast with her and the entire crew because that'll be really cool. We did that before, but the crew has changed so much since so new people have come in, people have left, so we're gonna we're gonna update.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:25

I went on uh hers like about two almost two years ago, and I had to in order for me to do the podcast with her, she's like, you have to do the game.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:34

I'm like she didn't give me that stipulation, but then after she after we did the podcast, she well I've known Christina back in the day where she's gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:42

Oh, okay, so she she she you didn't have a choice in the matter. Yeah, I didn't have a choice. She's like, you gotta fucking scare at knots back in the day, right? She's a scare at um, she's scared of uh red barn, and then she's scared at um uh samurai one fucking. Oh, Shadowlands. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:58

Yeah, uh yeah, yeah. I remember we we talked about that. But yeah, she um she she gave me the option. She asked me, like, hey, if you if you want to play, like I'll comp you got you in a group of game. Like just let me know.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:07

That's what she did to me too.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:08

And she did, and we had a great time. Like it was it was honestly like it was four of us, and we got everything done.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:14

Um I think it was like me, Destiny.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:16

Um I know I want to get people, I want to get a people, I I want to get people back now because I want to do a full game where we can film the entire experience because she's very open and okay with that. Um, and one of the people that I want to get involved with that experience, two people I want to get involved with that experience that are also film is SoCal Tall Guy and Scared Cat Vasquez. Uh SoCal Tall Guy is very uh friendly with them as well. He does a lot of work with them as well. He's actually scared for them a few times. And Scared Cat Vasquez, I call him the king of extreme haunts because this guy will do anything extreme haunt related. Like he's done them, he's done the extreme of the extreme, and he gets scared so easy. I don't know how he does it, but he does it. Uh he does 17th door every year, he does all those things, but um I can come down this one because he'd be down to do it. His his his wife as well, uh Veronica, very nice people. Um, so there's there's four people right there. I know the haunt miss girls uh have said that they would want to do it and they would want to do it with us. Melinda wants to do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:13

Yeah, Melinda's uh she would do anything.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:15

They they used to scare back in the day too. She used to do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:17

That's why she knows Gary Spaz and she knows Ed Cotton. Yeah, she knows all of that because I always see them all take photos with everybody. She's like my like dude, every time I see her, she's like always I'm like suddenly her favorite.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:26

I I just like officially met them. Like I knew who they were and I followed them, but like I finally officially met them at Chewie's uh last his uh sweet love event when they did the media night, and they were there, and one of the actors did a like a segment with all of us, so like we were all involved, and then we we got to talking.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:42

You want to know a crazy thing that happened that that you know that day? Um so while you guys were uh filming filming that that Valentine's Day. Yeah. I I was there, but I was at the gym. My gym is still on the bottom. I came, I like as I left, I I was at home and I saw the recording. I'm like, the fuck? And I'm like, you guys are oh, it's a media event. Because I always it's like serious, I'm my the gym UFC is like right on the bottom stairs, and then it's up, it's up there. It's like right on the second the first stairs.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:14

They're really turning that place around. It's really nice now. They have a lot of stores now.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:17

They open, they're trying to, they're trying to open up more like um like sort of not expos, but like more like events are going on. Like I know they do they're doing one today or tomorrow or yesterday. Yeah, they have the vendors out there and they have the live band. They did one uh for uh Anna uh anime day. Um they do a couple I think they do one for Halloween too, don't they?

SPEAKER_03 1:56:36

They do a Halloween or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:39

They they have a bunch of like vendors. I and I remember that place used to be a fucking uh ghost town.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:44

Well, when it yeah, when it launched, it was failed. It was a failure.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:47

The only thing that was Disney wanted to buy that so bad.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:50

Well, no, no, no. Um the other way around, actually. Disney I think helped build that ticket because because to attract more. Well, no, from my understanding, when it came time to like they Disney approached the House of Blues and told them they needed to start bringing more family-friendly acts to the to the venue because of downtown Disney. And the House of Blues pretty much gave them the finger and said, No, that's not us, that's not what we do. Like, we bring in all we come from LA, dog. Yeah, yeah, but like we bring in all music genres no matter if it's metal, but we also come from LA. LA, exactly. So what they did is they opened up the House of Blues right there at the Garden Walk, which in my opinion was the best thing they ever did. I never got to go to the House of Blues in downtown Disney, but I know it was a clusterfucking.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:36

I just went up a few weeks ago. I went to go watch uh a D uh art DJ at the House of Blues. House of Blues. He did a showcase. There's a guy named Trifecta, it's awesome. He dude he plays he's a DJ and also he does um different tracks. He plays the guitar, electric guitar, he riffs.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:52

It's so fucking I've seen so many iconic bands there, bro. I saw the Dead Kennedys there, I've seen Anthrax there, I've seen Kill Switch Engage there, I've seen so many tribute bands there. I've seen Wasn't Oigo Boingo there last night? Dude, so many bands have been there, bro, in the past. Like, um, I I know Bone Thugs and Harmony are gonna be there pretty soon. And I'm like, first of the month, baby, let's go. Let's go. Um but no, like they they get a lot of good people there, and there's a lot of like van, like Rob, I remember we went to because right out there is the Johnny Rockets, and before we went to the haunt, we went to eat at Johnny Rockets, and they had like a mark, uh, uh a digital marquee of all the acts that were coming up, and like a band that he wanted to see was coming up. And I'm like, Erlon Manson performed there, dude. Yeah, dude, he's doing a whole tour right now, and he's trying to do a comeback tour, he's trying to save his career.

SPEAKER_05 1:58:33

Save his career.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:34

Um yeah, he uh but like I've I've seen I've seen a whole the whole venue. I mean, we used to have our banquets there. Yeah, banquets there was on the top floor. We used to go there every year. Um Morty was the one that um uh organized it. And um, and then plus he used to work there too as a bartender. Oh, so he probably got a good deal on it. Yeah, yeah, he did. That's why he he I mean, even when he didn't work there anymore, he still got deals. Because they knew him. Yeah, they knew him. Management probably knew him. Yeah, then now it's at the the Charlotte. Well, I don't know. It was at the Charlotte, it's so small, and I was like, it's a cool place, though. I love it. I love it when it's all fancy and all that. So yeah, that was that was the reason behind it.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:14

They built the garden walk and and then it it opened and all these stores were struggling to stay in business because the rent was just outrageous. Right. Um, but then they opened that AMC theater. The AMC, because it closed down in downtown Disney as well, so they moved it over across the street so they can keep it in Anaheim, which is I think only like six theaters. Yeah, it's only like six. It's a very small theater. Like they have like the one big theater and then the rest are just like regular sized theaters. Is it a double-digital? I don't even think they have like special screen theaters like that. I think they just have a massive theater just for the big movies, just to have it. But it's not Dolby, it's not IMAX, it's just a regular movie theater.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:47

I think what do you think those are uh what do you think of those now? Where like those are coming up, you know, the the Dolby Digital, the the 4XDX, whatever. I always go to Adobe.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:57

I always go to AMC, I always go adobe. Adobe's Doby to me is like I love the sound quality of Doby. Um I'm a big Adobe fan. Um Adobe's good. I always go see in Adobe Theater, but um the only and the only reason why is because the AMC by my house, the IMAX sucks. They still have like literally the old chairs from like when the fucking movie theater first opened. Because like IMAX actually, if for those who don't know, IMAX rents out a theater. Like so everything in those IMAX theaters, they are the ones responsible for. Like they are the ones that if they want to change the chairs, if they wanna like they are the ones that put in their projectors, all that stuff. So IMAX theaters are actually rented out every theater across the globe that has one. Uh same thing with 40X, all the all those different formats and stuff, every of those companies rent out a theater so they can give people the best movie theater experience. Yeah. But um I watched uh the last uh mission possible on IMAX.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:49

God damn.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:50

Um but like Dobie is good. Uh because my IMAX sucks, like the screen's good, it's just the fucking seats suck. But like I've been to a few good IMAX theaters, like um Puente Hills Mall. That mall's dying, but or it's dead. Yeah, I've seen that.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:03

The Little Hills, yeah. Yeah, I've seen it. I I've been around it before, but I was like, damn, this is fucking fucking.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:12

Yeah, like movie theater, the movie theater in round one and then like the hot pot next to the movie theater are the only things keeping it open.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:17

Are you are you worried about that though? Like when because you know, like this whole uh argument with like streaming becoming the new thing and then theaters are gonna be less. Is that still like kind of what's gonna happen?

SPEAKER_03 2:01:30

You think honestly, like with the whole thing in the industry right now, it's it's it's crazy to see this because you know I'm a yeah, and you know this. Yeah, you and I, this is another reason why we get along so well. Um you know, the industry is just it's a sacred thing in the sense of like going to the theaters, it's sounds it's gonna sound stupid when I say it, but it's it's a sacred thing. And the what I mean by that is like there is no other experience, no matter how hard you try at your own house, there is no other experience like the movie theater. Like movie theaters bring movies to life on the biggest screen possible, with the loudest sound possible, with the best projection possible, the best streaming, the best like quality possible that you can absolutely get. Um It's sad to see where the industry is going because of AI. Um and I feel AI has a lot to do with the industry, and streaming also has a lot to do with the industry sort of trying to erase movie theaters. What's also sad is that a lot of people just don't want to make the efforts to go to movie theaters anymore. And I and I get it, it's a lot of it comes down to the costs of just getting in, and then the costs of concessions are outrageous. Right. I completely 100% understand it. However, there are alternatives to that. There are memberships that you can pay for where you pay one price a month and you get to watch like with AMC, it's like four movies a week now.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:46

Four movies a week, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:46

You know, and it's like$27.99. They raise the price a little bit, but it's$27.99, four movies a week in any of their formats that they have available at any of their theaters. And if you look at a month like this month that has like four good weeks in it, that's like 12 movies you can go see for fucking 28 bucks a month. Right. That's a steal, in my opinion. That is a still, like that is like two movies if you're lucky, right? There, and that's standard format on a mark mar a matinee showing.

SPEAKER_05 2:03:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:11

Um so it's what I did like, I'm starting to see hope uh of things. Uh, you know, a lot of people were very in between on the deal with uh Warner Brothers, Netflix, and Paramount. Yeah, you know, we we we've been watching this go on and unfold this whole beginning of the year of Netflix and Paramount going back and forth and bidding wars. Paramount finally landed a bidding war that Warner Brothers just could not say no to. Um so it looks like Paramount's gonna be taking over Warner Brothers, but they want to keep movies in movie theaters 45 days, um, which is about a month and a half, two months.

SPEAKER_01 2:03:46

Which is pretty reasonable, right?

SPEAKER_03 2:03:47

Yeah, but like if a movie, like for example, the biggest thing I've me and my dad and my co-worker have been asking each other was when is Avatar gonna come out? Because Avatar has been out in theaters since December and that's still not on DVD or digital yet. And I've been wanting to rewatch it.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:01

So Yeah, that's kind of like those are the kind of arguments like where like where they where does that come to streaming? Like where can where can we see this since like I've been like there's a lot of movies I've been waiting for to see on streaming, like but like some of them I I was actually really I was waiting for them to see on screen uh streaming, but like I was able happy to see in theaters. Um one of them was uh Marty Supreme because I've been wanting to see it. I I thought the story was great, and I I don't really give a shit who why everyone talks shit about him, but like I love Timothy Chalamet guy. Chalamet I love Shalomet, but like he's great in that because he's a great actor.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:46

He's a great actor, but like people are just so fucking still I think I think people are getting I I think people are getting sick of seeing him everywhere because now he's becoming one of the it's a PR thing.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:56

It's it's just it's a P it's a competition thing where like they it where they want the other person to win, so they're gonna find every niche of things to like make them lose.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:06

But no, it's just not even that, it's just like it's it's like the same thing with The Rock, you know, like for for a long time there people were just getting fed up of seeing The Rock in like every single fucking movie, and now you're starting to see that with Timothy a little bit, and it's not Timothy's fault. Same thing with Pedro. Yeah, it's not their fault that they're good fucking actors, they're getting the roles that they fucking audition for.

SPEAKER_01 2:05:23

Like it's not their fault. Well, it's not the rock's not a lot of people. It's not their fault they're good at their jobs, yeah. It's not the rock's fault that you play Mark Kerr as a fucking COC fighters.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:33

The rock is also like nowadays with seven bucks production, he's also putting out some of his own money to be a part of these projects.

SPEAKER_01 2:05:39

So it's like you can't get mad at Kevin Hart for doing the same shit too. Like he's done, he does like a bunch of like he does comedy, does he does uh he does shows, he does movies, he does podcasts, like he does a bunch of other stuff. And then I'm like, you can't get mad at the guy that he's because he's in some movies, not every single movie, but like big some couple of big movies. Yeah, and I'm like, you can't be mad at the guy, but like, and then the same thing with I don't know, but like you you're not mad for that when Leo shows up with Leo DiCapo, but like Leo DiCaprio is different because like I've noticed with Leo, he'll take like a year or two off and then come back and just do like one movie a year. Did you see this one that he did? One battle after another, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:17

Fucking crazy. He needs a he needs he he needs an Oscar just uh based off the Mexican whistle alone.

unknown 2:06:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:26

The movie itself is just fucking incredible. It's probably one of my favorite movies I've watched this year, and it's probably one of the best uh movies that Leo's been in. So funny, bro. But Benicio Dotoro is.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:38

He's so fucking great in that movie. Great in that movie. So great. He's so calm and collective the entire fucking film. It's all chaos is going on around him. Yeah, and he's just chilling. The best shit is when he fucking when he walks into the the the uh the dojo and he it's Leo DiCaprio's like, State! And then the cospide starts crawling on the floor, he goes, State! And he goes, What are you doing? Why you why are you doing this? Why are you crawling on the floor? What's going on? And he's just like, he's just so calm and collective.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:01

Why are you crawling on the floor? He goes, like, courage, yeah, Bob, courage, courage. But he he he says the best Benicio says the best line in that whole I think it's one of my favorite lines throughout this whole year. It's like he goes, Do you know what fear is? Uh he goes, uh oh you know, he goes, Do you know what freedom is? No fear, just like Tom Fucking Cruise.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:23

That's what I'm saying, dude. Benecio is another actor whose acting chops just go everywhere, bro. Like I've seen Benicio do some very weird ass roles like Guardians of the Galaxy, and then I've seen Benicio do some incredible roles like fucking one battle after another and fucking the wolf man. And uh he plays like so calm in that.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:43

I like the whole is great, both of them, yeah. And he he goes into like when he tries to like get Bob to like the to the house and he's introducing like all the families. It's like this is Maricella, this is Monica, this is uh he goes like, oh, let me introduce you to uh Tobago. I'm like he he does like I like when Neil goes, Viva la revolution like that, and he just drops down and the fucking rug just goes over.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:08

God damn it, Sensei, Viva Rosa, and then the rug just fucking slides over. I'm like, that's so smooth, bro. It's a great film. I like when he hands him like, no, Sensei, I want to go with you. He's like, no, I'm giving you the gun. It's on you now.

SPEAKER_01 2:08:20

Courage, Bob. Courage, Bob, courage, Bob, courage, Bob, courage, Bob. It's like uh ocean views, ocean views, Bob.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:26

I like when when they call him for the uh the emergency call and he he's so high he can't figure out the I was like, man, I'm so fucking high on my mind that I don't know the password.

SPEAKER_01 2:08:36

He's like, I don't I don't know the password right now. He's like, Do you know what time it is? He's like, I don't know what fucking time it is.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:42

I'm telling you though, bro, what got me was that fucking Mexican we were. I was just like, oh, he did that so spot on, bro. That was great, and then he someone asked him about that because it's made its rounds on the internet, and I think they did a screening like leading up to Oscar season of just like or they did a tour of it. And someone asked him about that. They're like, talk to me about the Mexican whistle. Why do you do it so fucking well? He goes, I grew up in Los Angeles, so you and I grew up a lot of around a lot of Hispanic communities. Actually, one of my best friends is Mexican, and he goes, I grew up a lot around a lot of Hispanic communities, a lot of families. So you go, you just pick up on this shit. He goes, Over the years, I would hear them do the whistle, and he goes, I picked up on some Spanish and stuff. So he goes, Growing up in Los Angeles, you just heard this stuff. It was just common things that everyone did. And I'm just like, Kino, you know how many times I've heard Mexican families, specifically mine, do the fucking whistle and shit? And like, we just know what that means because we're programmed, we just know what it fucking means.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:31

I saw I caught my eye too. I was like, whoa.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:33

I was like, that was a little too spot on.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:36

I was like, damn. But like, I mean, he's been around that for fucking so long. Give the man the Academy Award just for that. Yeah, I give that guy a good one.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:43

I don't care if it like the rest of the movie, you cannot like his acting, just give him the Academy Award for the whistle.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:47

Um the the the one thing I want to ask you, I know we're gonna do your podcast soon. Um my god. I know. Coming up. Uh coming up next.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:56

Happy April Fool's Day, everyone.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:59

The the one thing that wanna ask you is this, you know, there was this policy that w went on this past year at Scary Farm and um it was a media policy. Um what was your take on it? Because like it's it seemed very it felt like it lost a lot of accountability for you guys to just do what you wanted to do, and versus then there was a someone put a kibosh on that, and then now it it takes it kind of you know, it just doesn't make you guys want to do what you want to do.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:33

Let me ask you uh uh a response question to that question. Did you see me at Knots a lot this year?

SPEAKER_04 2:10:40

Oh quite your answer.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:44

I uh I was not a fan of it. I um I understand, but this goes back to what we were talking about a lot earlier, um, about the cameras and the faces and people just thinking they can do that to people, and it puts a bad rep on us. And this is the example of that, is because people want to st during media nights during during the season, people want to stop in the middle of these mazes and they want to get their show moments and they want to get their their poses and they want to take pictures and they want to get like all these and it's like that's not how this business works with that, unless you get full-on permission from the company to do that, or you get like a f like a security or someone and they know you're coming in to do like a detailed walkthrough of the maze with actors in it, that's not what we're invited out to do. That's not what we're that's not what we're supposed to do. You're supposed to just continue to walk through and get what you can get. Mind you, when you walk through these mazes, you're walking at a pretty slow pace. You have more than enough time to capture everything you need to capture, right? So it's just it's just sad to me. It just sucks. Like it does I can't be completely like mad at it because it's their policies. It's probably gonna be in effect next year, too, honestly. But I I will say this because of that policy, I was not able to get a very clean walkthrough of um Mary. Uh Mary was one of the new mazes this year, and day one I go through it and tell me why the fucking fire alarm goes off and the lights the studio lights turn on. Like I'm not talking about the haunt the fucking the experience effect lights like the fucking fire alarm went off in the damn maze because no one for someone forgot to turn it off or forgot to like set it to a different setting or something. And literally because that triggered the fucking house lights triggered. So I walked through a fucking maze with house lights and it just gives away the entire effect. So it just it bummed me out because I never I I just I went with it and I was like, all right, well I'm just gonna upload this one of this one having the big mistake in it because this is what you want represented for your park, this is what I'm gonna put up. I I've always tried to show uh as much love and respect to Knots as I as I possibly can, and I'm always going to um because Knott's has has opened up a door for us as far as like the talent goes that really kickstart us to the whole podcasting game, and I'm always gonna be grateful and thankful for that place for that. Uh, it's just this last year was very hard for me to go most nights because I just didn't even feel comfortable bringing a camera most nights because I was even hearing people on the people getting told things on the streets. Yep. And I'm just like, well, what's the fun in the I I'm not what I have fun doing, I can't do at the event no more. Sure, I still have fun going to the event, I still have fun enjoying it, but I just I love filmmaking. I love filming with my camera, I just love that whole process. It's an obsession. I just love it. And even if I never released the footage, I just like pointing and shooting. It's just fun to me. It is like it's just a passion of mine that I've had for years. So if you're telling me I can't even do that, and God knows if I even use this for like because let's be honest with you. Over the years I've captured so much B-roll, I've probably used 50, 60% of it. There's probably still 40% in my um all my hard drives that I have that have never seen the light of day.

unknown 2:13:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:52

So it's like it it's it is it is a bummer. I don't know if I I you know, at first everyone, and me included, were blaming the Six Flags Corporation, but I've talked to I I can I can agree to that. But I I've talked to a few people behind the scenes that have said it's it's not nothing to do with them. That these policies have always been a policy, they're just now enforcing them. But it it to me, like, listen, it does, it's a bummer, it sucks. It you know, and I I I guess now I just gotta be very precise and and make sure I get the best quality walkthroughs that I can opening night on media night because they don't care as much, but yeah, it it does suck. I I'm not a fan of it. Uh that's why I I did go to Dark Harbor a lot more this year. I I will be the first to publicly say it. Dark Harbor allowed me the freedom to pretty much do whatever I wanted. They were very good at that. They were very flexible, and I you know I was very respectful of that. Like I didn't I didn't abuse it, nor did I um like take advantage of it. Like I was very respectful of that because all I ever want to do is just come in and film you guys, you know, and film stuff for compilations, film clips that could be funny for the internet, or just film vlogs and and things that could lead down the road to podcasts and things and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 2:15:05

Do you think you can uh do you think there will be some type of proposition over this, like a a a proposal, like a like just say I'm just saying this out of the blue. I don't know if Knott's will like agree with it, but like if Knott's would uh agree to like have you guys sign a form that you and you guys wear lanyards that say media and you guys are able to walk around with that.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:28

Well, and then they already do that. It's when they do media night, they invite out who they invite out.

SPEAKER_01 2:15:32

Um which I know they do, but like they do that mostly for backstage stuff, and then their their crew is much more bigger. You guys are just are on your own.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:40

Yeah, and and it just it it's uh I struggle with a lot with not PR the most out of any PR. Um they they it what the sad part to me is, and it's a little unprofessional to be honest with you, is um, and I'm not one to normally brag about this, but uh it's just something I gotta get off my chest. But the thing that bothers me about it, like I don't care that I don't get it that I got it denied. I don't care about all that. The thing that bothered me this last year a lot was when I got the rejection email, right? And I read it and it was the exact same rejection email, word for word, from last year. So it's to me, it just seems like they have a copy and pasted rejection letter that they just send to people when they don't feel like giving them the thing, and it's just kind of sad in that sense because now the same PR person that runs over at Knott's is running Six Flags, so it's a little more difficult to get over there as well. It never was for us in the past, it is now. Um it's okay. I still will buy a ticket, I will still go support the event, I will still go show up the event, I will still create content at the event, and I will still give my opinions about the event, whether I'm media, whether I'm not media. Um, it's just sad that you know you do a lot of marketing for them. I feel like we give them a lot of we we have given them a lot of ton of free press, even in the offseason with the podcasts and stuff. Um so it's just sad that like you don't get recognized for that, but at the same time, I go back to what I say. Like I don't brag about it because I want to continue to work hard and earn what I get. You know, everything that I've done in this industry so far, I've had a lot of friends help me out, and I thank them so much for that because a lot without a lot of people that I I I had never met like before, um, I don't think I'd be where I'm at right now. And I I always said it like if I were to make it big, big, big, like I would take a lot of those people who helped me get up to where I am now with me, or I would take care of them, or I would include them and get them more exposure, whatever it may be, however I can help them grow more, I would do. Yeah, you know, and that's just how I've always been. We've we've we've never forgotten where we came from. And I feel like with this industry, and I and I do see it with a lot of creators that start off like really humble and like really just a fan of the event, but then when you start getting more of an audience and you start getting that, it it starts changing people. And I'd be I'll be the first to say, I I don't think that will ever change me because I am me, like that's never gonna change. Like, even if I were to get a little bit more money or something, sure, maybe I'll start buying if I got like a fuck ton of money, I'd probably obviously buy a house, I'd buy probably a new car or something, but like who the fuck wouldn't? Yeah, you know what I mean? But like at the same time, I think I would start investing into the haunt world too. Like, I would probably buy out a fucking warehouse and open up a private warehouse where people can come do auditions or come practice, come practice showruns. Like if Decade hit me up and I had this warehouse and like, hey, we need somewhere private, we want to practice shows no one could see it. Come by. If the QM sliders came up, like, hey, we want to do boot camp of the web, come over. You know what I mean? Like, I I I I do have big visions for the future.

SPEAKER_01 2:18:39

You do a lot of a lot of good work with uh with Queen Mary. You've been you've been lately. I've been I think you've been yeah, I mean, I'm I'm I know you are because you're close with like Matt. You're close with like close a lot of them, yeah. Like Paul's great too. I've I'm I mean, I'm I'm very fortunate I got to work with him this year.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:55

We got I mean a few years actually you've worked with him now, huh?

SPEAKER_01 2:18:59

I worked with him in uh carnival the first time two or three years, and then the third year we uh we actually got to like actually tag team. We actually got to tag team and he became my uh quote unquote assistant. He agreed to the assistant party. He he actually he offered to be my assistant. I was like, that did you know how that started? No, I didn't even know he was your assistant. Yeah, so he failed to mention that. Yeah, he uh I talked to that motherfucker almost every day. He he talked he talked okay. I I mean maybe uh Paul has a different story, but this is what I remember. But like he when I was scaring last year, he like some one of the regulars came up to me and said, like, like who are you now? Are you the clown that we know, or where are you? I was like, I'm the ballast clown, and they go, Oh, okay, so you're like owner of the carnival. I'm like, Yes. Like, so who's your assistant? As someone yelled out, I'm the assistant. It was Paul. It was Paul, of course it was Paul. I was like, Alright, cool, we're assistants now. We're and then, but like we won tag team of the year, so I was like, Oh, that was this last year, right?

SPEAKER_03 2:20:01

This last year we won.

SPEAKER_01 2:20:02

Yeah, but like we were the it was so fun because me and him like had the absolute like most bantered thing back and forth.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:09

The positive I will say about Knots last year is I when I did go, I I did continuously find myself in Carnival most of the night. Yeah, I would go and make rounds because there was a lot of people that I knew. There's a lot of footage that I wanted to get, and there was just things that there was other zones that I wanted to show some love because I didn't see a lot of footage of that, of other zones, but like gauntlet, for example. I I I I didn't see a lot of gauntlets, so I made a gauntlet compilation before any compilation that I made. Um, and I I I just threw it together because I was like, they need these guys need a little love because like I've always said it, gauntlet's a fucking dead zone because of the fact that Knotts doesn't put anything over there. So it gives no reason for audiences to go over there. So like it sucks for the cast because like they're just kind of trying to entertain themselves most of the night. And uh the the handful of times I got to go over there though, they did see me with the camera and they were very, very cool about it, and they they got me some good slides and good stuff. But like again, like I'll talk to people, like, and you know this, I and because you uh have firsthand been experienced it. I will tell people like if they see me, like, yeah, I'm just gonna be here recording, but like I don't physically tell you, hey, go do something for me. You know, like I've never I've never done that unless I like super know you and like you feel comfortable doing that, and you and like you and I talked about something like off-camera, off hours just on the phone, yeah. Like I I'll go down, but I still won't make it obvious that I'm filming you because I I even still like to be sneaky about it. I don't even want to let you know sometimes that I'm filming you because like I've always said it, and you can probably attest to this. Some of the best footage that I've ever gotten has been when no one has seen me filming and no one knows that the camera is rolling, people are just doing them, they're in the zone, and just some of the best shit happens because it's like you don't, you're not at that point, you're not performing in front of a camera, you're just performing to perform, and that's what it needs to be. Like, and that's another problem with the camera thing, is like I think a lot of people need to stop focusing on the cameras. I get it. You want to be seen.

SPEAKER_01 2:21:59

I totally totally agree with that.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:00

You want to be known, and I understand it, like I get it, but it's like, trust me, you're gonna be just as known if you don't pay attention to the camera than if you do pay attention to the camera.

SPEAKER_01 2:22:09

Well, that goes back with the validation and work ethic. It's like yes, you you know there's a fine line with that. There's a you know, you don't you you don't just go over there to like get caught in the camera and pose or do something while you know the camera's running because you think that that's gonna help you, you know, get a reputation of yourself. I'm like that doesn't help you at all, dude. Yeah, it's like just I I think just let them do what they want, do leave them alone, do your part, and you know, it's kind of like just stay in your lane, dude. Like fucking stay away from the stay away from that. Like I didn't have no contact with like any of the the videographers over there. I I mean I had like one time one of the uh photographers were up close and taking a camera of me, but like I let them on the spot, but like that was when you know you guys weren't you weren't at all. This was this past year. I mean sorry, this last year, and then I just I told them I'm like I I'm like uh I don't know that I just started posing, I started to like you know scare and then but like I was just one time where like I had a hesitant moment and you know you just kind of just do that, but also kind of course correct and leave. You leave. And I think um um I think a lot of these monsters just want to do that because they think that that's gonna get a click out of them. I'm like, it's not no much how much you do, how much you fucking walk around and pose, I'm like, it's not gonna help you, dude.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:36

Dude, and trust me, like I I I don't even if you and I uh I'm not talking about you, but I'm just talking about anybody that's listening. Even if you and I don't get along, even if you and I don't see eye to eye, even if you and I don't talk anymore, I got no hate against anyone that puts on a costume and so make them and goes out there and does it. Because I know the amount of physical and verbal abuse you guys get on a on a fucking on a given night. I do. I see it everywhere. It's not just knots, it's at Queen Mary, it's at Horror Nights, it's everywhere. People just think when they buy a ticket, they just have the freedom to do whatever the fuck they want at these haunts, and that's that is far from the truth. Um but you know, it's just like for me, I just um it just it goes it goes back to like the policy again, you know what I mean? And it's just like it that was a lot of the reason why I did two extra trips of Halloween Horror Nights this year. That was the reason why I went to fucking Dark Harbor nine times this season, you know. It's like I fucking I I I really just I was just not feeling the motivation anymore at knots, and that's sad because like that used to I used to have fun filming you guys night after night. And the sad part about that was it wasn't you guys. Yeah, it was the fucking company.

SPEAKER_01 2:24:44

It was the company.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:44

The company was making it very difficult for me to just do what I wanted to do, and I was scared to even pull out my camera and start filming things at that point.

SPEAKER_01 2:24:51

Yeah, and I'm kind of worried that where this direction's gonna go because I don't know what with what these some policies are gonna be enforced. Like and we'll see well more, more come in. Like what what knows who knows what will be.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:04

In my opinion, dude, they need us they honestly you need to focus less on this film policy, you need to focus more on your chaperone policy, yeah, because it is not being enforced enough.

SPEAKER_01 2:25:14

Well, it was for a while, and then they let go of that, and then now I'm sorry too, they just don't have enough security.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:19

You need to get pool, you need you need to get more P you need to get some PD in there.

SPEAKER_01 2:25:22

PD in there for sure. Yeah, no, I understand. I get that. That I think that's that's more there's more stuff like that you should be focusing on. And I dude, they're making fun of them at haunt now.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:33

And then they're making fun of security in the hanging, right? Like that just shows how much that people don't respect them.

SPEAKER_01 2:25:39

Vi plays a fucking security guard.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:40

He is the security guard, he's like he's the main character, he it's his crew, bro.

SPEAKER_01 2:25:45

And he's so good at it, he's so funny.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:46

I gotta get a podcast with that.

SPEAKER_01 2:25:48

Oh god, you would love Vi.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:50

You know, they've talked about it in the past. It's just I think life just got in the way of things.

SPEAKER_01 2:25:54

Yeah, he's so great at that.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:55

He every time I talked to him, it'd be cool, cool, is I I've never interviewed anyone that's been a part, yet alone a main character, of the hanging.

SPEAKER_01 2:26:02

And he knows like a he knows like the the front end of the back end of like what's going on with Nazi.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:08

He also used to scare too, right? Like he was in Ghost Town, right?

SPEAKER_01 2:26:10

He was in Ghost Town, that's how I met him.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:12

That's and that's that's that would be a good conversation for a podcast to go from scare actor to just actor.

SPEAKER_01 2:26:17

Actor stunt actor, you know what I mean? Like I mean, he'd done stunt acting and and scaring for a while.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:23

I mean, the Wild West stunt show too, right?

SPEAKER_01 2:26:26

Yes, and he did at one point, he did um they still do that. No, they don't. Um they they at one point they they were doing what they were doing again. Oh, he was doing a stunt show and then he was scaring. So he would do a little bit of you do it, he'll go in the morning and do a stunt show and he'd do a at different location? No, at nothing. He was doing double duty, and then so like it was such a shift for him. He was like, I I f and we that had to be like a good 16-12-hour day, right? Well, it was in 2016. We called him 2016 Vi sometimes because like he will get very pissed off. He'll come in and throw his box at us one time, or like shit day. So scared of it shit day in the beginning of the show. Like, I would try fucking uh cheer him up and he would be like, dude, get the fuck away.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:11

I'm pretty I'm pretty sure when you guys got out there though, the vibe changed. Oh, the vibe changed, of course. Now it was not really work, it was more just having fun with your friends.

SPEAKER_01 2:27:18

We had Aaron involved and Wyatt.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:20

When you guys all together, bro, I got I'm so glad I got to see that at least one more time.

SPEAKER_01 2:27:24

We we were so we were so fun together. We just still talk about it to this day, like about like Aaron's fucking Aaron and Wyatt, bro. He has a great philosophy, and I'm I'm I'm excited for him to like even try to. Wyatt's a big influence. Yeah, we're we're trying to we're working on getting him on too. So he's uh he's he's like pioneer of this whole vlog thing, dude.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:44

I know he's a he's like without him, he I don't know what when he re-showed me that's that that video of the monster showing up to the school, I remember seeing that years ago, just didn't know it was him because I didn't know him yet. I like it this is before I even got it to hop, bro. Like this is when I was this is when little fucking kid teenage me was on YouTube looking up TPA videos, and then the algorithm just gave me that one Wyatt video because it was a not scary farm-related video. Yeah, and I was like, what? Monsters showed up to a school, I gotta see this shit. And then they had the at that time they had the hearse and everything, bro.

SPEAKER_01 2:28:18

Remember the hearse? Yeah, the hearse and everything. I used to I used to have it. I went in, they still have I think they do, but I don't know. I need to bring it out again. They they updated some type of car. Now it's like some Jeep. I don't know what it is, but like they they I went inside the hearse. I went to drive uh when I was in 2013 when I was a uh um a marketing scare, so a scare force. I went to go uh drive the hearse to the swap meet and Costa Mesa, and then I went to go off then after that was it. I drove the hearse back.

SPEAKER_03 2:28:48

So dude, it that hearse to me was uh iconic. Uh they honestly should bring think about bringing it back out because you can put it you could put it part of uh and hear this out. I don't know if it's ever been done before. I don't know if it can be done. It might it might be able to fit, but like how cool would it be part of the front uh entrance display? Oh like that's your centerpiece on the floor, and then you have the skulls around it and shit. The overlord around. And they're doing like a like a procession because it's like a funeral, you know what I mean? And like so it'd be like the haunt procession, like a like a scary form one.

SPEAKER_01 2:29:20

Oh, like a Forsaken procession, yeah or something like that, or like a um like a haunt procession. Yeah, I get that. That would be really fun though. I mean, we'll see. Like you don't have to do a full show, just like have a display for a photo photo. Yeah, yeah, no. They I think that's I I think they should. I think they should do some of that besides having these meet the creeps stuff. I'm like, I just I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 2:29:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:29:40

I don't know about that. But we'll see though. We'll see. I mean I feel bad for someone like like Glow.

SPEAKER_03 2:29:44

I don't know if she's having fun doing that, but like I think. But I know I know she really loves scaring too. Yeah, she does. I think she has an itch for it, but like she's you know, and she gets very limited time to scare now because of the photo ops. But like Ross, but but if she's having fun, by all means, then that's if that's on the case.

SPEAKER_01 2:30:04

Like Ross had the same problem. Ross started at 3 p.m. and then he didn't go up till 11 30. So he only had so you worked in um uh the buffets and he would do a couple hours of those, have a break, and then he would go out for the the number of hours he would probably be out was probably like maybe two. And that was his whole season. I'm like, you I'm like, dude, that that's gotta like he's like I I one point he wanted to quit.

SPEAKER_03 2:30:30

He was like, dude, I can't do this anymore because I don't just I don't like timeline and I'm hoping they don't make Glow do that every season because I know she does enjoy scaring. I think she likes it because she likes to start earlier and leave early. But she likes the early thing, but like I I I know she enjoys scaring too. Yes like and I know that I know one of the I think I had heard that like she uh she was kind of upset that she didn't get more scaring time. Um I get that she said that did suck. Um, but she never from what I what I know, she never said anything bad about doing the photos or anything. She just wishes she had a little bit more scaring time.

SPEAKER_01 2:31:04

No, I get that too.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:04

And that's fair.

SPEAKER_01 2:31:05

Yeah, they wanted to do the same thing with Bobbins. Bobbins wanted to get in there too, and they should they they didn't they wanted her they she was in order for her to get her character back, they had to do she had to meet the creep. And she's like, you can't be out there. I'm like, how the fuck? No, she was she was so smart this year.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:19

She was on Ghost Town and I didn't even know who she was. I still don't know who she was.

SPEAKER_01 2:31:22

She was great, great.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:24

Bobbins was fucking she's she's I probably saw I probably passed her so many times in Ghost Town this year and I didn't even know it was her. I still don't I still don't know who she was playing this year. Yeah, yeah, which good for her because I know that that carnival year was a lot for her.

SPEAKER_01 2:31:39

It was. I mean I I've I was there when she was like, you know, she would go backstage, she's like, I felt so drained. She's like, I can't do this. So like I need one of I need some of you guys just to be there. I had to be there at one point. I had to to you know tell her like I had to protect her at one point. Me and Booster had to Dominic. And we had to protect her at one point, like tell her, like, tell people like back off. Like I did, I I had to do that maybe once or twice, but like there was booster was around her a lot, and then there was a few other people that were around her to protect her because like she there was so many swarm people swarming.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:14

The phones, the phones, they put a bad rep on us, bro. And it's and it's specifically they saw one clip of her that went viral. Now everyone wants to fucking make a clip of her that goes viral, and it's just like you know, I it sucks. It does, but sucks. That's I guess that's what comes with the territory a little bit, huh? Unfortunately, it's like being a celebrity in some sense.

SPEAKER_01 2:32:34

If you treat it, if you treat it that way, yeah. Yeah, if you treat it that way, but like I think pe what I'm saying is people look at you guys like I try not to I try not to treat it that at all because like I'm just a dude.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:46

There is only a handful of people that I can say that I peek out about, like around or oh yeah, no, that part too.

SPEAKER_01 2:32:52

But they also they treat it like they are celebrities, and I'm like, you guys are not. My you guys only have 900 to a thousand followers. Just calm the fuck down.

SPEAKER_03 2:33:03

I know, like, I know people always tell me like you're you're a personal. I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm like, I'm far from that. I'm like, I am me.

SPEAKER_01 2:33:08

Like I literally people like in the younger generation come up to me, like, dude, you're so fucking iconic. You're a legend. I'm like, you need to shut the fuck up. Yeah, calm down. I'm just no but I mean no, I I and that like kind of stuff I like I I like I like to hear. Sometimes it's cool to hear because like it's like it's a great um, you know, kind of like compliment to to hear from like those kind of in that generation, but like also like I'm not that I'm not nowhere near that. Like I'm just a dude that put on a fucking clown makeup and bald and wears a tuxedo and goes out and fucking scares and has a hell of a lot of time.

SPEAKER_03 2:33:47

And I that that goes to say with your work ethic, because like it I have always said, like, it's it's it's your carnival character and your ghost town character. Obviously, they're two different characters, but there's a Lot of elements that are the same, and that's just you as that's just you as a scare actor. But um I feel like you you have a chance to be a lot more vocal now, yeah, compared to like where you were more whispering and yelling and whispering, but like no one really but then now you have the freedom to kind of say whatever you want within reason, you know what I mean? Like you can you can go more or less like you can roast people now. You couldn't really do that as hostile. No, not at all. Like now you have the freedom to do that. So like it's weird because like the first I remember the first year I saw you in Carnival and it was just so fucking weird to me. I was just like, I'm not used to this, man. I yeah, it it's it's but it's I I I love what you guys have done with Carnival, honestly. This the last two years. It's a fresh, it's a breath of fresh air.

SPEAKER_01 2:34:42

We we have a we had a great team. We had people that just wanted to work and go out there.

SPEAKER_03 2:34:47

I've been there as much as I have the last two years because like number one, every character now is different. You can rec you can literally spot the differences, so you can literally look for a specific character now. Yes, no, no disrespect to the old Carnival, because I did like the old Carnival for like the people that worked it made it to what it was. Um, but the costuming was to me was the biggest issue is everybody looked the same. And I get what they were going for, that Dust Bowl era kind of that that carnival era, but like, and some people like it, and some people agree with me what this was a breath of fresh air to let everyone do their own characters, yeah, all that stuff. I know some people kind of criticize that too. Like, well, why is there a fireman? Or why is there that? I'm just like, it's just comedy, it's just clowns dressing as these professions. And if you really listen and pay attention and sit in the zone, they don't know a lick of sense of their profession.

SPEAKER_01 2:35:35

It's hilarious. Like, you're I don't even knew my my lick of profession either. I was like, I'm just you're a manager, but you would never guess that you're a manager with like split personalities, you know. And then I'm like throwing small money at people like for no fucking act. That threw me off guard this year.

SPEAKER_03 2:35:50

I was like, what the fuck am I supposed to do with this man?

SPEAKER_01 2:35:52

That that was just that was just something I I was like, I'm gonna lose this by the end of the night. I can tell you that right now. Yeah, but we had a very great team. Like, we wanted to like we want, I think we all were wanting to, you know, just to work. We wanted to scare and wanted to have fun. And I think that's the best thing we ever did was just to go out there, have fun, no bullshit, no drama, just go out there and just be like the best zone we can be. And we did, we fucking did that, and we had a very tough, you know, uh cast lead. You know, I know Denise from since 2017, and no one knew her, too. No one knew her. Anyone could say what she wanted, what whatever her reputation was. I knew Denise from 2017, how she what her her demeanor was, and I and she grew from that from sense. Like she she she wasn't like how she was before when I when I saw her this year. I saw and I spoke to her personally. I should go up to her and talk to her.

SPEAKER_03 2:36:48

I get I I do get intimidated by her, but it's just like it's not her problem. It's just I get intimidated by anyone in a suit or anyone that's a higher up.

SPEAKER_01 2:36:55

It's just that's just how it's like I don't think you should. I don't think like someone like I think if you had a con genuine conversation with her, I think she will get along with you.

SPEAKER_03 2:37:02

I don't think okay, let me rephrase that. It's not intimidation, it's more nervousness. I it goes back to saying comprehensive where I'm kind of antisocial until I get to know you, then I'm not right.

SPEAKER_01 2:37:11

Um I think ever I think people have tried to talk to her and then they're like, oh yeah, you know, she's not that bad of a person. And she's not, she's not bad at a person, but when she has her work ethic, I I yes, there was a few things I do not agree upon, and I there was a few things that she did that I I didn't like what she did to my friends, and I that I'm very close with, and I'm like, and then people don't you know then it goes back and forth, but like I've spoken to her personally, and she's told me like you know, I give you my full trust to you, because I was like, What why why do why do that? All of a sudden she goes, I it's like because I fucking know you because like I know what you do, I know you do I know you go out there for the pat you show your pride out there, and you don't do that for any kind of validation or clicks or anything. You go out there to show your work. And I sh and I told her too, I told her that you know, like you you I've seen you grow ever since. You change, you know, like I I don't know what it was, maybe it's just because you had the lessons of from working at a ghost town or the gauntlet. I don't know, but like you change a quite a bit, and I think people are not are not recognizing that, and I think are seeing a a more of like every it niche of what her demeanor is like, and then they go, Oh, well, she's just um she's too mean, she's too like she's too uh, you know, she's being very hard on me. I'm like, it she's because she's a fucking castle. That's what that's what they need to do.

SPEAKER_03 2:38:40

But that's what people don't understand, is like whether you're friends with the person or not, business is business. Yes, business is nothing is ever personal in business. Business happens because like it that's just business. It happens. You can never take business personally, she's following following a rule here, dude. Professional wrestling has taught me that so much. It's like you can never hold a grudge in anybody in business because business is business. You know, if it becomes personal, that's a different story, but nothing is ever personal, it's just business. Right. Like that's just and and you know, I don't feel like people say this enough. I feel like people say that a lot, and people don't truly understand what that means. Because I still think even after the fact, when they hear that, they still think they still take things personally. Yes, they do. When in reality, it's like you really just fundamentally need to get out of your own head. Okay, maybe you're mad in the moment, maybe you're upset in the moment, whatever emotion you are in the moment, maybe you're that emotion in the moment. But once you're out of your head and you've settled down, and this happens to everyone, this happens to me all the time. When I'm more settled down, more things and more thoughts start coming to my head, like, yeah, you're right. You know what? He was right. I I shouldn't have done that. Or you know what? I should have said this, or I should have said that, you know, like you start to think about it and the reality of things. It's like business is business, you know. Like, I I'll be honest with you, I've probably interviewed some people that have rubbed the people the other people the wrong way that people have probably told me some things about, but like I still went along with it. And it probably wasn't the best in my decision, but at the end of the day, dude, it I'm here, um it's business. Yeah, you know what I mean? And like I have fun doing what I do, and like I I try not to get involved in everything anymore because I'm just like I don't need drama anymore. I'm done. Like, I don't need to know who you get along with.

SPEAKER_01 2:40:16

I think you you need that. I just I don't think none of that shit needs to happen. It needs to stop. I'm like, you guys, like if you guys want to say that uh stop stop causing drama and stop and let us reunite, then fucking use your words. You know, um be with your word and do that besides inspiring hate. Like you inspire hate if you're gonna say monsters against hate. I know that's a whole fucking LGBTQ thing, but like I if you're gonna use the words wolf, um we we we hate drama, we hate, you know, all blah blah blah blah, like mostly drama, but or bullies. And I'm like, then fucking don't do the same shit that you guys are hating on. You guys are inspired by that. Don't fucking go up to me and say, like, well, I hate fucking drama. I hate people talking shit and all that, blah blah blah blah, but then your demeter changed when your friend says, I have tea. Like you you really you're gonna now you just suddenly change all of a sudden for that because you lie because you because you're all saying not understanding the the role meaning of not having drama around you, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:41:29

No, and that's why I was like, I I'll throw in a good example to kind of put it on a positive note too. I was like, I I this is why I liked that we had a day like yesterday. Uh when we as of this recording, it's March 15th.

SPEAKER_01 2:41:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:41:40

But um yesterday, March 14th, was uh they had a you know the community slide day at Chapman Sports Park, and you know, I I I didn't know what the turnout was gonna be. I wasn't expecting like a little bit, but I don't know if it was gonna be a lot either. So like I didn't know what to turn out. When I showed up, dude, and I saw that rinked as packed as it was. I had in the entire time I've been going to the ring to cover and do content or just hang out, I've never seen the rink that crowded. It was so good to see Eulogy Collective there representing, and St. Haunt Productions is the one that put it out. Cameron, I just met him for the first time face to face. He is such a good kid. I met him before too. He's got a bright future in this industry. He's working with the right people, he's asking the right questions, he's going to the right people for advice for all what they should do. Like with Dieterman's pads, his recaps, the ballistics. He went to Dieterman specifically to ask him how what a pad should be. What you know, like he went to him, and because Dieterman has a lot of expertise in that. You know, and he's he's he's teamed up with Decade, he's teamed up with the QM sliders, they sell merch on the shop that you can go purchase right now. He's got his own stuff that he sells, but you know, it's just like he put on an entire event. QM sliders were there, slider dynamics was there, a lot of the community showed up. Uh, I saw people from different um haunts, you know, that were there, a lot of familiar faces that I've seen around. Um and you know, it's just like we need more events like that because yesterday there was no BS, there was no bullshit, whether you got along with people, whether you didn't like people or not, it didn't matter because we were all there to do one thing is just hang out and slide. Yeah, you know, and then that's what it was, and we had such a great time doing it, dude. And it was great, dude. Like I'm glad that's happening though. Like, I'll be honest with you, like I I'm not gonna say I hate people, but like there's some people that I've heard things about, so like I just don't go near them, but like I'm not gonna if they come up to me and say hi, I'm gonna be cordial, I'm gonna be nice. Like, but there were I to me to my knowledge, yesterday there was none of that. I I couldn't think of a person there that I thought about that. So, like, yeah, you know, like it's really cool that we can have days like this and stuff and and everything. It was really cool for a group like Decay Brigade to show up too. I I I didn't know they were gonna show up, so like that was really cool. Yeah, no, honestly, it was really cool, and they were really cool about things. Like, we even um there was a part that I was helping um my buddy Raven out with, and we were we were shooting doc little little um interviews and stuff of of every like affiliate that was there. So I pulled Scott, I pulled Cameron, I pulled um Tonto and Paul from QM sliders, and then I pulled Elijah from um Decade. And Elijah's really cool guy. I need to get him on the podcast. Elijah's cool.

SPEAKER_01 2:44:17

I've I've had like a four-hour conversation with him. He's a nice guy, dude.

SPEAKER_03 2:44:20

He really he was very, very, very cool.

SPEAKER_01 2:44:22

If he's hate each other, really, yeah. We said that we sat down, we just like we seems like a nice guy now.

SPEAKER_03 2:44:29

I mean he's a nice dude. I I I've never really like talked to him to him, but I'd like to sit down and talk to him. Yeah, yeah. He's a great dude. Uh same thing with uh for now a little side quest real quick, but um Ghost Town Rat. Oh, Jesse. Jesse Jesse has a lot of his name, so his name was I talked to him last night. We're gonna we're in the works, we're gonna do something soon, as well as Tay, his girlfriend. We're gonna do something. I think we're doing something next weekend because I think they're practicing right now for their show at midsummer, and um, so we just decided he lives near me, so he's on the way, and I'm literally the stop before the rink, so it's like it's just it all works out. So we're like, I told him come with Tay, bring Tay, come at like 11 or 12, let's set, let's sit down, let's do these shows, and then right after that, you guys can go to the rink, or you guys can go something to eat, or whatever you guys want to do, but you guys are free to do whatever you guys, and they'll get you guys to the rink around that. So anyway, but yeah, they um they were so cool, man. They they let us interview them. We asked a couple questions, and then we got a lot of b-roll, and everybody was there sliding. Like, we need more days like that because it brings the community together. Um, you know, and and Cameron, I think he was very nervous to put it on because you know, um Danny Spooky Treats was there giving out, they were giving away Cameron, God bless his heart. He uh he bought 200 cases of Danny Spooky Treats. Have you had Danny Spooky Treats? The Chamoy candy. Oh and uh they do like gushers and like Skittles and like all a bunch of different like well-known candies, and they put they make their own chamoy, like their homemade chamoy. It's so fucking it's honestly I can't they are my favorite chamoy of all time. They do something right, and they because it a lot of people don't know this. Chamoy is very famous in the Mexican culture, it actually spawns from Japan. The Japanese invented chamoy, and then the um the Mexican culture adopted it and obviously made it theirs because you know us Mexicans love our chili, bro. We love our chili, we love our chili, um, and then you put that on a freaking Michelado, and it's even better. So uh but no, like they they make really good homemade chamoy. Um, it's a family-owned business, it's a husband and a wife, and they got their, I think, three kids. Um, so they they just do this full time, they're always at all these conventions. I always make sure that if I see them at a convention, I know I'm gonna be there. They are the only if it's it the there's it's the one thing that I have to buy from them every single time. The ghoulish gushers are my all-time favorite thing product that they they sell. It's gushers with their chamoy. It's not like the hot chamoy, it's like a nice mild chamoy. So like it just oh the flavor, bro. That's so good. Oh my god, it's amazing. But yeah, they they bought so we got free case, everyone got a free case of those. So I got a free case of the gushers waiting at home for me. I'm gonna eat them tonight. Um, I got a free case of the gushers, which was cool. Um, Eulogy, dude, Eulogy came up with they came with so much drinks, dude. They came up with sodas, Gatorades, waters, they were giving them out for free. Um even when I when I was leaving, uh Chewie bought fucking 25 pizzas for the entire event. I was like, big ball! He's like, nah, not really. And I'm just like, nah, I was like, that's cool of you, dude. That's really fucking cool. Costco pizza. This was the most all of this was fucking free. Yeah, dude. Like, this is what it this is what I mean by the community. And I'm so glad that I went. I'm so glad I I got to be a part of it. I'm so glad I was filming. Um It was just so great to be there. It was like it really, like it was a great, and I was texting a few of the the team today, and and we were all agreeing, like, that was such a great turnout. Like everyone from the team was staying active the whole time, and it was just a good, good positive. We need more of this. Yeah, we really get it.

SPEAKER_01 2:48:09

I think we do. I think we need something like that to like to get a positive uh end it on that right there. A positive vibe right there, but yeah, we do. Um, Knights of Horror, everything else? Anything else you need to promote?

SPEAKER_03 2:48:22

Nah, dude. I mean, listen, you can find us all on social media at Knights of Horror or at Knights of Horror on X, because you know, we're too, we're too big of a name for X. Yeah. Um, but uh everything else is Knight the Knights of Horror on Instagram, TikTok, uh, YouTube. And then uh we just started a brand new side project uh that I'm gonna do that is outside of the realm of Knights of Horror. From the brain child of Knights of Horror becomes a new project that I'm working on that has nothing to do with the Horne Hong community, actually. It has more to do with the theme park community. And that is a uh a new channel that I'm starting called Project Z. Um and obviously it stands for me Project Zaragoza, but Project Z sounded cooler uh because no one can ever pronounce my last name correctly. So Project Z it is, and uh basically it's gonna be the new uh a new hub. I'm not gonna say the new hub because there's so many great content creators out there that I can never replace replace, and I don't plan on replacing, but uh I'm a massive Universal Studios mark. I love it. I love the theme park. I've been going since I was a kid. I still go today. I'm a pass holder to Universal Studios. In my opinion, Universal Studios takes care of their pass holders the best out of any theme park in Southern California. And um they do amazing stuff. Their rides are great, they uh they have a lot of great uh future ideas that are coming to all their parks around the world. And uh I want to be more involved with that community. So I'm starting a channel that's gonna be dedicated to Universal Studios. Um, with the name of Project Z, it's gonna let me venture every now and then outside of Universal Studios on other adventures that aren't Universal related. So, but for the most part, we're gonna be covering the history of Universal Studios. We'll be talking uh in-park updates, we're gonna be doing a lot of the events year-round in the theme park. So you're gonna see nights of horror outside of the horror realm because before there was nights of horror, there was Anthony Zaragoza, the theme park mark.

SPEAKER_01 2:50:05

And then uh everyone can look at that at um the same at Project Z is at yeah, on Instagram it's uh at Project underscore Zaragoza because Project Z was taken.

SPEAKER_03 2:50:15

Yeah. Um, and then uh Project Z on YouTube. Uh, I think we're gonna be releasing weekly uh videos bi-weekly because I don't want to overkill myself here. Um, I'm already releasing two a week on Knights of Horror, so I don't want to go crazy. So we're gonna do bi-weekly unless I do an update in the park, then I'll just throw it up since it's footage that needs to be out sooner rather than later. Um, but yeah, we're gonna be doing bi-weekly stuff, and I already got a my first kind of history series that I'm gonna be covering, and I'll just I'll give you the exclusive here. The uh first series that we'll be covering on the channel is the uh we're doing we're calling it the lower lot series, and we're gonna be doing the history of just overall every attraction on the lower lot and the lower lot as a whole of when it first opened to the public in the theme park to where you're seeing it at today and it constantly evolving. So got a lot of got a lot of fun stuff.

SPEAKER_01 2:51:01

I'm excited for this project and uh well mapped for you. I'm glad that you're doing this and um yeah, thank you again for coming on. And then now we're gonna switch off to your podcast.

SPEAKER_03 2:51:11

Don't go anywhere right now because the Mylance Horror Podcast isn't just next week, it's now it's coming up now.

SPEAKER_01 2:51:17

All right, guys. Thank you guys. Peace out, be safe.