Ep.87: Michael Guerra

Michael Guerra is a former scare actor from Knotts Scary Fame since 2019 

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SPEAKER_04 0:00

Hey, good morning, good evening, welcome to the LS3 folks. All new and former episodes are on my link tree. Uh, that's gonna be on the description below. You can find that click that link tree, and then that'll uh get you to all the former and new episodes of the show. If you want to go, if you have an Instagram, go ahead and follow me on LS3 the podcast underscore official. I will say that again because I keep on forgetting. Fuck. Um ls3, the number three, podcast underscore official. Um has all the posts and all the links you can find on there. Go ahead and give it a listen, support the show, and thank you. Alright, let's get started. Today's guest is a former scare actor from Not Scary Farm. Uh, he has been on the show multiple times. Uh I can't really say much, but just say that he is just a fun and just a great dude to hang out with. I'm I I mean I can talk to this guy about anything, really. Uh he is just an awesome dude. He's getting married soon. Very proud of him. Uh, we talk about that. Uh to let you guys know, um, this episode was recorded on July 3rd. Um, so a lot of things that we talk about, um, we talk about the World Cup. Um it's outdated because I based on what I've been watching, I don't really watch the World Cup, but if you are following and know, so if you listen to it and say, well, that's not really what's happening right now, but you will get the hint. It's it was around uh the day before, 4th of July. Uh so anyway, just to uh clarify that before you guys start thinking something else. But anyway, this was a fun episode, uh great time with them, as always. Uh my guest today is Michael Gera.

SPEAKER_01 2:45

Your podcast you did with the Dope Boys. Oh, Mr. Dope Boy? Yeah. Yeah, that's funny. Uh-huh.

unknown 2:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:51

That was a lot of fun. That was great.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

I did I I I did see like a recording, by the way, so go ahead. Oh, nice. Go ahead. You're the year. I think you mentioned the the year that that you destroyed all the buffets. That was 2021. Yes, that was 2011. Did I say what year? I think you said 20, I think you said it was the last dance year, 2023.

SPEAKER_04 3:15

Well, was it 2023? But it was 2023. No, 2023 was your last dance. No, 2021. Was your last dance? Yes, 2021. 2021 was the year. So if you look that one, that picture, if you actually read, if you actually see that. It is funny one. Yeah, I see it. I see it. Oh yeah. Yeah, it was uh it was the last year of that one.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

So um that that didn't make sense. Um sorry, did I say it sound like it was I don't know if it was a different year you said, but I was just like, oh, but but the thing that I was I was in my mind thinking that like other people don't know about like scaring, is that all these things like like they just become a fever dream. Yeah, right? And everything kind of just like meshes into one. But you know what's crazy is like now that I've like now that this is my I'm two years out, like like your memory starts to like kick in of like, oh yeah, that happened in 2018, oh that happened in 2019, oh that happened in two uh 2022. You get like a refresher. Yeah, yeah, because you're not in it and it's not being like overloaded with all these different like experiences that you're kind of like get to unload all these memories.

SPEAKER_04 4:27

So you just sure what you're saying is so everyone should retire. Well, when when you retire, and then after that, once like give it a year, and then let the memory start to cycle in and then you'll start to feel a lot better.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

When everyone gets to retire, which everyone everyone will. I mean, either you'll just do it on your own or you'll just you'll just croak and die.

SPEAKER_04 4:53

You know, everyone will be able to retire, and then you'll kind of I think everyone will start to get to that point where well I mean eventually everyone will retire, then I think everyone will start to start to uh revamp their memory to like I mean there's always things that like like there's already you know supplements that could help you with that. Like I I've I mean I'm I take fish oil now and I've had such an improvement on my memory.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

Oh multivitamin 2, dude.

SPEAKER_04 5:24

Multivamin perfect. Yeah, it's such a it's such a it I love chewing those in the morning. It's they're gummies. Okay. I'm every time I see them, I like in I'm I'm waking up at like four o'clock in the morning. Nice and I'm okay and I'm going to that like oh dude, I'm like craving like candy for some weird reason. I'm craving candy. And then I see that and I'm like, ooh, yeah, I'm like looking forward to this, and I I eat like about six or eight of those.

SPEAKER_01 5:53

Yeah. Do you does your um did your parents or in your family have like health issues that because I know a big thing now is like health issues that our parents and our grandparents have are genetic, yes, and how like our generation has to really watch be careful with how we eat and what we do, depending on what our parents had. Do your parents did your you guys for example, my dad was diabetic big time, and then on my mom's side, my grandma was diabetic with like crazy heart issues, so so m myself and my siblings, we kind of have to watch out, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:32

So my my both of my parents I want to say more my dad, um, because I can't really say much to my mom. So my mom didn't really have much of an effect to it, but my dad was a huge diabetic, like you know, there's this is the reason why he was on in a wheelchair for the last like decade. Uh Did I tell you that story of his? So my dad was um during the time he you know he was a huge diabetic, he was a real he was a very bad drinker. He was he drink like just like both, I mean, and both of those came in hand in hand with my with my parents. So he he had very just I I think he just had type 2 diabetes, and then suddenly there was one day I I I this might be a little um uh TMI, but like um it was kind of traumatic to me in some ways, but my my dad was always sick. My dad was like not taking care of himself, he just didn't feel right throwing up, you know, a lot. You just like a lot of this like a lot of that, like I I didn't understand during time. I was like young, I think it was like probably like between close to the end of high school, going on 18. And then suddenly my dad, um as he uh there was one day he what happened to him. He got he was in the backyard, and I remember this blue tart was on the floor, and he uh then all of a sudden there was I saw a blood trail go on the floor, and I was like, what the fuck is that? It's all dark. And then it was his foot. His foot on the bottom was bleeding. There was a cut, it was like about foot this big. It was the size of like a little it was like the size of a nail. Yeah, and it was he he started bleeding and I did not understand it. I was scared as fuck. I was like, what the fuck's how old were you? I was like in like like I said, I I don't have not I don't know exact age, but it was between like when I was done with high school, like close to between I was done with high school close to when I was like 18. I want to say 18 18, maybe 19. Yeah. But I saw that and I freaked out. I did not know what to do. So like he then uh ended up him being like it was his my someone my family member told me like he had I think it was my aunt that told me that he has diabetes, and I was I was like, I kind of knew that, but I was like, I didn't know it was gonna be that severe. And then there they told me like, yeah, he's really sick. I think you need to let him go to the hospital. End up him being decapitating his dime of his foot. So like all of his toes basically got off on his right foot. Yep. Then the disease trailed over on the left. Then he then it ended up uh decapitating his whole um his whole left foot. Oh yeah, yeah, and it got worse. And then he he he was in uh he he ended up being in the hospital where I think he got sent to because he uh since he was a veteran, he got sent to the vet this veteran hospital um area in Riverside. Yep, yeah, yeah, there's a memorial hospital there. Yeah, we were a hospital, and then I uh then but he spent his time over there, but he started like he I I heard stories that he used to hallucinate and fucking freak out. They put him on a uh on a stretcher with a belt strapped around him, and he he would freak out one point. Like it was it was scary shit. And I I I f I freaked out, but like I haven't got to see see him in a while. But he lost he after that he lost a lot of weight from it, and then he like grew it back and then lost and then grew some of it. Yeah, because like that that whole day perspective is life for real.

SPEAKER_01 10:35

Yeah, there's like uh because they have bad diabetics, have must some of them have bad like circulation in their feet. Oh so that's why you're like when they get cut, like they can't feel it and it gets infected. Is that why they wear the socks? Yep, the compression socks. I have a guy to keep circulation in their feet, right? Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:53

I have a guy that at my my work, he's a bellman, he he wears these long uh black socks, and um I just thought he was you know, I I knew there were compression socks, but I can't tell. I was like, well, maybe the guy's trying to just to look cool, yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_01 11:09

But like my compression socks, bro.

SPEAKER_02 11:14

Well, look at these compression socks. They're black. Yeah, they're black, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:18

Yeah, have you listened to Metallica? Yeah, do you have some? I don't think so. It's like, yo, dude. It's like no, no, dude, I don't have that.

SPEAKER_04 11:25

But um, I've seen some before. I've seen like the the gold, like the black with like the golden little spigots around, like they're like oh copperhead, copperhead, copperhead one?

SPEAKER_01 11:37

I think that's what their name is.

SPEAKER_04 11:38

Yeah, I think they're called copperhead, and I I saw those, and then um I saw like uh I think red ones, some some brown ones, just a bunch of them, but like he wears them to circulate. But like my dad were I think my dad started to wear those for a while too. But um, yeah, my my my dad had it the worst. My I think supposedly my mom had it, but I want to say that's not true because my mom would look pretty decent in shape, yeah. But my mom just was like a major addict.

SPEAKER_03 12:10

My my mom was major like with alcohol and everything, so yeah, she was she was really bad. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

I didn't want to change the subject, but I used to wear compression socks for haunt and I never really had blisters.

SPEAKER_04 12:22

Why did you wear compression socks?

SPEAKER_01 12:24

Uh just because it kept like it kept my the socks close to my feet and they wouldn't bunch up. And I feel like when they would bunch, like then it would rub against your foot and it would create a blister.

SPEAKER_08 12:37

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

Yeah. And so instead of toe socks, I wore compression socks. Yeah, because it kept close to your foot and they wouldn't move and they wouldn't create friction.

SPEAKER_04 12:48

Right. I used to wear uh well I wore I've always worn compression leggings, like the compression pants. Okay. Um, I wore those for I mean, obviously we all wore them for a while, and you get this like have you ever had this like weird, I'm pretty sure everyone does, but like this weird feeling where you take them off and it's just like your skin starts to like shrink in some ways because it just been so wet. So wet. You feel like a fish, bro? Like you starts so wet, and then you're you're you're your skin. Your skin starts to look so tight. And then you're just like, oh god, it's like, and then there's like creases around there and you're like, oh god, it looks like spam.

SPEAKER_05 13:32

Spam. It looks so nasty. Oh god, it looks so disgusting.

SPEAKER_02 13:38

And it looks like a freaking uh, you know, like a bologna sandwich like a whole bologna sandwich when you think an Oscar minor bologna sandwich, dude, on your freaking leg.

SPEAKER_01 13:51

Oh no! That's so gross.

SPEAKER_04 13:53

Oh god, uh that's crazy though, because like people that are diabetic when they don't wear the compressor pants, they do have spam legs.

SPEAKER_02 14:03

Oh they have those cottage cheese legs? Yes, verticals veins. But there's there's like yeah, those vertical veins, and then they're also um they look like that that bologna sandwich skin.

SPEAKER_04 14:15

The bologna sandwich skin color.

SPEAKER_02 14:18

And then they just they're trying to walk as I'm like, no. I feel bad for it because we're making fun of diabetics because I just don't want to like bologna sandwich and cottage cheese and one plate, and that's what you get.

SPEAKER_01 14:31

So I feel bad for them, but I'm like, oh shit, man.

SPEAKER_04 14:34

And I'm like, I can't, I but they also they they those scare me the living shit out of me sometimes because I'm like, I I mean, diabetes can be so genetic sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 14:45

I was just gonna ask you that. Like, there's I don't know if you ever feel this way, but um just because of like looking at my future, like and I want to like have kids one day and all that, yeah, yeah, like I'm almost like terrified. I'm like so like now I'm so strict of like what I eat, or I try to be as strict as I can with what I eat and I try to stay active and try to take care of myself that like just seeing I mean we both experienced just seeing like family members just like rot and how much and and how much uh pressure that puts on the rest of the family, like I would hate to do that to my own like personal family, you know, yeah, and so like it's almost like it's almost like like uh I'm not really fearful of a lot of things, but one of the things that I'm fearful is like my health just going like my health getting like I can't control um like my health and it just goes south no matter what. Oh, I feel what the same way no matter what I can do. The doctor's like, listen, you're doing everything you can, but it's genetics, and I'm just like, what do I do? They're like, you just live with it. I'm like, yes, but like so you know the same way, and I would hate like that's something that I had that I that I'm like worried about, like and because diabetes was on both sides of my family.

SPEAKER_04 16:06

It's just like they you you you get a you get a certain disease that's like at no fault of your own, and even though you tried everything you can, and yeah, you sometimes are I mean you're not perfect, so you do have your days, exactly, and and then that one but like you do have like now I I'm more like cautious of what I feel like as far as like eating. Like, I mean I have my I'm not obviously like I'm not perfect, yeah. And and you could have your cheat days, yeah. My cheat days, but like there's days where like when I do them, I'm like, is this the right decision? I'm like, is this the right day to do it? Yeah. I'm like, I'm about to be 36 in two months.

SPEAKER_02 16:45

I'm like, this is not the I don't know if this is even correct.

SPEAKER_01 16:48

Yeah, and it's like uh someone brings like donuts like in the breaking, just like uh uh fuck. Do I eat it or Porto's?

SPEAKER_03 16:56

Yeah, Porto.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_08 16:59

What the fuck with me?

SPEAKER_04 17:00

I'm like, oh yeah, I'm like, fuck you. I'm like, I I feel the screw you, Porto. All right, the Porto family. Yeah, I um I felt the same way. I felt like I was what what I was doing, I what was I doing? Like there was one yes the other day, um, like on while I was working, there was a you know, we're it was, you know, because of the 4th of July weekend and we're busy. Happy Fourth of July, though. Happy Fourth of July. Yeah, yeah, this is America Day. It's Aaron Frame. Aaron Frame's Christmas Day. Christmas Day, and it's also his second birthday.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

Oh, yeah, his second birthday.

SPEAKER_01 17:41

Slash the only way, the only day where he wears like a USAG string. Yeah, he Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_05 17:49

More likely.

SPEAKER_04 17:50

Send us a picture of Aaron Frame.

SPEAKER_00 17:51

And then he wears toe socks for he wears flag compression socks, dude, with the American flag. And like the compression socks are American flags. We wears compression armbands like with Hulk Hogan's face.

SPEAKER_02 18:07

They're all light like that.

SPEAKER_04 18:10

But like there, it was yeah, so it was Fourth of July week, and then we then all of a sudden we um you know, I'm like, I just got done, like, I just got like doing the festival, and like, you know, I was it was like a back-to-back, so I was not really eating that properly. Yeah, but like I was telling myself like hey some somebody, right? And then they're the all of a sudden they brought in dominoes.

SPEAKER_03 18:31

Oh man, you gotta fuck with me with that.

SPEAKER_04 18:36

Like, man, and then I was like, I don't mind, but I I but then there comes a boundary, just like okay, I can do this, but I can only have like one, exactly, two, yeah, and then you just take two and then that's it. Exactly. That's all you can take.

SPEAKER_01 18:49

Do you remember in remember when we were in high school and we can just kill like a little Caesars pizza box like by ourselves? Or no or in in junior high, just like killing it.

SPEAKER_04 18:59

I can still do that. I do that, but like I can I kill myself, I kill myself with a pizza, it's a little Caesar pizza box, like about but like maybe once every two weeks. I do that. I do that because like I I mean I work, I look the amount of when you work, yeah. When I work out, I I put in all the time for it. Yeah. And and then I tell myself, you know, like it it's okay to have at least like a box of pizza for yourself. Like I can j demolish that, but like don't have too much of it. Like, we just have it like once a month. Like, don't don't spread I mean, I did that at one point. I had one like every two weeks. I'm like, okay, well, this can't happen. Like, this can't happen at all. Do you I need to eat a salad? And you eat a salad with it, or you gotta you gotta eat, like, or you gotta downsize and have the little pizza rolls that they offer at little Caesars. Yeah, I'm like, this is the only thing you can eat. Like, don't don't make it like you know how um this is the big example. I mean, we we can talk about like people that eat uh cheat days. Uh The Rock. You know The Rock he supposed his cheat meals. Yeah, Dwayne the Ron Johnson. You know how have you ever seen him post his cheat meals? No. Oh my god. So he's supposed all these fucking like malicious fucking food. What? Like there's like a there would be a tray of cinnamon rolls. Oh my gosh. I'm I'm I I I can look if you look up just like Dwayne. Like a like a bowl of Milky Ways? Yeah, I I can you can check Dwayne The Rock Johnson uh cheat meal.

SPEAKER_07 20:39

Cheat day. Cheat day. Okay, so look at this.

SPEAKER_04 20:46

This is a typical average cheat day for him when he had when during the time when he was built. This was his tray. That's all his. That's there there's there's like a whole tray of Chinese food. There's like four plates with sides, and then there's five. There's one in the corner of his laptop. There is um he eats about two thousand calories. This is his cheat day for himself.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 21:15

That whole plate. And and um he he will eat like yeah, that this is like this is the shit I would eat. This is like a whole box of pizza you'll eat. And um, there was like one that he oh, this one, he would eat like a tr like you know, his own tequila company and his uh so you have a glass of that and then like Chinese food and uh big bags of cookies, and oh my gosh, you have like shit like this. I'm like that's crazy. How would how the fuck? Um, but this but then again, you're talking about you're talking about someone that puts in a lot of hard work and a lot of discipline for out for himself for like six days a week, and then that one day where he can. come in and go okay well I can put in I can uh demolish myself with like two thousand calories and then after that I can fucking like flush that all away you know like I'm you know he's taking you know the guy is like works out very very hard yeah and for for a a like a site I mean a man that's built like him and it's uh so I mean for so like someone like I mean I'm not saying like I'm the Dwayne DeRock Johnson but like I'm not built like him but but I am but I mean I'm built I'm built in some ways where I like I'm able to eat enjoy myself with like you know like I like for instance I'm I'm uh I'm I'm more every every week I go to Costco I go I I go when every time I go to Costco which is like on a Sunday I go to Costco I go the first thing I do I go to the food stand you know the concession stand that they order they have that food stand I go over there I order myself a cheese pizza and the a vanilla slash strawberry swirl it's like a twister or whatever it's called they it's a new thing they have yeah I order those and I that's all I but I mean yeah it's a little cheat day for me but like I could have it yeah I mean I've I've worked very hard to like get to that point. Yeah you know like that's the but this is a problem too sometimes is that people some people these days have eaten that multiple multiple times a week. Oh yeah and it's um and that's where I mean unfortunately I mean that that's why we're talking about diabetes I mean this is where that's where you gradual to uh diabetes and I I do have moments where it's it's concerning because like I I'll I'll one day like out of the whole week I'll or the other every other day I'll I'll uh sometimes I'll eat I'll grab a uh there's a Reese fast break which I love I love fucking Reese fast break that's like that's like the thing I sweat for I sweat for I'm gonna marry that I'm fucking marry that thing like give it to me give me a ring and give me a ring I and I I all of a sudden I'll get that shit it's super cheap for for a for a size like that I'm like I get that but like start having some thoughts I'm like okay why am I doing this what what is the issue yeah yeah so like I'm like okay let's stop let me course correct let me get myself into like back to where I need where I where I'm going to and yeah um you know let me uh get myself together and then uh after then once you do then you you're you're fine I mean as long as you're able to like jump back on the wagon and don't fall off uh you know more than you should then you'll be okay yeah I mean I just think personally and I'm thinking about like there's gotta be like like a class or a session at haunt given by some by someone who's in management of what not to eat when you're scared of it. I know who exactly to hire the Aaron dude Aaron we're calling you out man Aaron to do that Aaron I think I think someone like him a nutrition course a nutrition course I I see that's the thing about like it it unfortunately I've I mean it's so funny that I wish we can have that but like in reality we can't no because like it's just like how corporizes for it is can you imagine Aaron just like being like and you know what to boost to really boost your energy here's some steroids he's like I have a list of stories that you want do you want to make your skin darker let's try our best yeah let's try that yeah oh my god I don't know if he's tried all the things on the counter but he's tried a a couple of things where he's tested himself where he's I I've seen him I've seen his skin look different I'm like what the fuck is wrong with you look like a lizard bro dude I'm like why do you look so like why do you look like a dark jacket? Like why why why is this like going on with you? I mean he's trying everything he tried everything in the past and I well I've also like got I've I've taken some of the things that he tried and applied to myself like yeah I'm getting back on I'm getting back on peptides. I tell you I did I did a BBC 157. No uh uh how was that oh did the last time you did it yeah I probably forgot yeah I I did so I did a so I had a a very I I tweaked my knee like a few years ago and it's been it was sore ever since I I I had no way of like every time I crossed my legs I just I I couldn't I had issues just like it would be painful. It should be pain and I had no way of like fixing it. I was I was like man then I went so I I I went to my primary doctor my primary doctor sent me to a specialist specialist sent me to a MRI um so they went to go check that out because like the uh the specialist gave me a a band like a little uh band for my oh yeah like the the compression band or not the compression band but like the strap that goes above your knee or below your knee below my knee and then I I tried that that helped out a little bit and then uh eventually later on when I got my MRI test back they told me um they said that you have edema oh it's like edema they're like yeah you so you have uh information fluid around your your whole knee that's causing all this and I was like I wonder but didn't find out why or how yeah I just was like okay so I I bore I already talked to someone prior that was gonna help me out give me peptides and I said like I'm not I want to get these MRI results back and uh she and then he's like oh just let me know then I then I let him know right away when I got the test I was like I'm I'm like dude there's there's inflammation around my fucking uh my quad and my knee like I need to get this out so they're like okay well let's put you on BBC 157 uh you know BBC 157 body protected compound 157 it's a peptide that um pretty much I I the there's a whole biological definition about it but basically it just gets rid of a lot of information out of the oh interesting yeah there's also ones are like GHK that gets like repairs the tissues in your system too. Are these prescription or are they just are these considered supplements these are supplements that you can like buy off the market you know like there's some they're they're like black market but yeah if black market's it's uh an but they're trusted source they're is it like an enhancement type of no no no no there's they're they're um they're more of a more recovery yeah so I don't there's no like um enhancement in some ways so we we so we did so we tried the the BBC 157 and then um first few weeks it was like rough because you know you your body's not used to it so your body has to get used to it like you have to limit you have to start eliminating a lot of like stuff that you can't eat like you have the sugar caffeine like I I was I was off ca I was very low drinking low caffeine like low amount of caffeine like I was drinking about like 100 milligrams of caffeine which is not a lot for me. Yeah I had to drink like at least like close to 300 milligrams. Like yeah that's like a Celsius and a half. Yeah Celsius and a half because like I I mean that's how much I survived I mean not even that belly like three yeah like 300 yeah I'm trying not to I'm I'm just being a little charitable but like um yeah so like drinking caffeine was just really making me sick for a while. And then eventually it started to my body started to get used to it and then I start to feel a lot better. Oh nice so when I was in carnival I was alive so I was um well fucking alive every night I was like holy shit this feels really fucking good and um but it in a way where like I felt a lot better. I feel like more like my knee's not uh my the the inflammation got away from my knee um because I got off of it in November and I felt I had no pain ever since so it helped out a lot it helped out and but I'm I'm going back into it because I I I would love the the rec the fast recovery process. Yeah it just like you're you're getting you're getting older and and and fucking scary phones not gonna fucking uh test you for that no they're not gonna test you for peptides no get the fuck out of here you think you think people are gonna come up to you like oh well you're cheating well fuck you I'm not fucking I'm still working out can you imagine if they had to give if everyone had to give a piss test oh dude God and well I will not pass anything everyone will pass everyone wouldn't pass everyone wouldn't pass I'm like everyone is fucking stoned out of their goddamn mind yeah yeah dude they're like uh everyone's fucking stoned out of their mind they're drinking vape juice up the butt bro like I'm like you you didn't pass because you're on five percent nicotine like no you're not like you can't you can't even fucking work here and yeah like you're too like I'm like you every time you fucking work here you're too dizzy but like I dude man I get it like it's uh um that's crazy but like I I'm I'm I mean I feel like it's always I feel like it's always recommended for people that to try it like if we all all of us if we all of us got into peptides if we did BBC 157 all of us if we got free prescription of it not covered. Why see it a fair we all got covered all you know how much we all look like fucking Vikings out there we all were fucking charging at each other having a good time we're still awake we're like hey man I'm fucking full recovered how many hours of sleep you got maybe six cool fucking shit let's go dude imagine one peptide one stairward pill a night bro yes oh my gosh yes and you do you know what and before and you can do it before you run yeah exactly like they you can do it like where do you want it at in the baddest part of my body let's do it right on the butt dude yeah oh my gosh that'd be crazy right in the butt by the way like you were telling me you uh congrat you auditioned yes so auditions are done the auditions are as of this recording auditions are done as as of this uh recording we're we're all done with um with the auditions and then next I think they still have a couple more stragglers they have to like go audition fill because like the fill in because there's gonna be there still are I I'm if I'm correct they still are hiring of a lot more people yeah I I know I know when I my last year when I did it my I didn't I wasn't clear till like the very very end for some reason I don't know why yeah like it was really really weird a weird you had a weird one where your your uh background my background dicks I'm like I'm like I'm like what do they find I'm a teacher yeah they're like like you're an intelligence teacher yeah yeah yeah they're just like like we're gonna look into this I'm like I'm a teacher I work with kids like I'm not hiding anything yeah doing anything at all they're like well it's like oh so you're Christian yeah yeah exactly right yeah they're like hmm what was let what isn't to a cult it's like yeah yeah a little weird like that I was like I felt bad for you I'm like why why is it taking so long for Michael to get into freaking haunt where this guy is like totally innocent yeah but then but then there's a lot of people that are kind of in the same boat as you right yeah exactly and I think they I feel like they just pick it like to me and I I'm just speculating I feel like they just pick people just out of random and they just go like let's have this person wait for a while it's like the it's like the random like DOI like checkpoint.

SPEAKER_01 34:01

Yeah they get a they get a bowl they get like a freaking a like a bowl let's full names and they're like Lingo Ball hey Ashley let's get her in there yeah Ashley oh she's in wardrobe oh we're still gonna hold her yeah yeah yeah we don't know who she is it's like she's been working there for like 10 years but but I I was just saying like um um the reason when there was I didn't know this but there's a there's a second orientation for people who get hired later and I was part of that one and I was shocked like it was a full like there's a separate one yeah what do you guys do you guys do that at the theater no it was at it was at um it was in an office yeah it is an office it's like uh kind of where like we've we auditioned like in 2019 18 oh like in there but um the reason why they do that is because they and I was asking one of the higher ladies I don't think it's a secret but obviously if whatever the paper says that you have to go to that orientation. Well because you're late because yeah like if you're late they're gonna be like yeah you can't come but you can't come to like the wall for the P Yeah but they always do a second round of auditions for maze for mazes mostly and that's where the second orientation is and they do that because according to the hire ups I was talking to uh that first week there's this there's this good drop of talent that like it's not for me I can't do it blah blah and then they just bring in the second crew of fill in of hire ups to fill in.

SPEAKER_04 35:41

Are they considered as um scare force or overhire? Uh they are considered not even over hire because they were because this is the thing now is that like the I feel like I feel like they've been doing that since last year too is that the the overhires will come in they will get hired as overhires because all the spots are filled and they will put them and go okay well we can't have you do this right like we can't have you like be in this zone right now but we'll put you as overhire and when someone drops we can put you in this zone yeah that you particularly want this is your just your preference. Okay. Um at least what in the effect of like I don't I don't not 100% sure sure so don't quote me on it. Yeah that's how it was really working but then there was another section of of Scareforce so I was like wait why do you guys separate the overhires and scareforce when they're like oh yeah by the way the overhires they're kind of they're doing the scareforce work I think that's how it was working during the time so this group that I was with it was almost like a third group where it was an overhire for just mazes not for streets.

SPEAKER_01 36:55

Right so because because of that drop of talent. And those people that do the mazes they were able to uh jump around different mazes for each night right no that it wasn't Scared force they were actually put in like it was like for example like they would say okay we're expecting sadly that um that in the new maze that's gonna be built like where um Grimmoor is I'm just speculating or let's let's say like let's say origins let's say okay like we're we're speculating that um that that six that five to six talent and origins are gonna quit during the first two weeks of haunt that's what that's like statistically what might happen. Yeah I I'm just making it up but let's just say like it's that number yeah um and they'll say okay well let's hire six people extra so when that happens we just put them into they're like now Origins is their maze. Yeah they're pretty yeah it's almost it's terrible to say they're not second string but they're just like they're just like the extra hire of people because there's still they're still uh taking auditions right now.

SPEAKER_04 38:07

Yeah they are so that's why I'm saying uh yeah we're just talking about it before we before we aired we we were talking about like how there still are hiring more people as far as talent but I don't know if those are the how many that they want as far as talent. Yeah I don't know um I I've I know there's people that like I mean you get incidents where people that do audition early and then they all of a sudden drop in the middle of the run. Because there's people there's there's people like that. I mean eventually you'll find out who's who's not coming in in this year because they've there are people that audition and then they drop immediately because of whatever they does whatever the circumstances is. Yeah. Because people I think the overhires get to fill that spot or like the new ones that are auditioning they get to fill that spot too it all depends like I I don't I mean we don't exactly know we're not experts on it but there are they do hire those extra chunk of people for uh still they're still hiring and they're gonna place them somewhere maybe in like whether it's a maze or a um a Scareforce Scareforce like there there's scareforce more likely that's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_01 39:24

Yeah but these people most of these people um I feel like we're not in Scareforce they were just like they were just fillers that would be permanent in a maze when people would drop out. Yeah and I do think that if they were leftovers then they would be in well they of course so but this or or or or or the creep cast too.

SPEAKER_04 39:49

Yes meet well meet the creep is a whole separate thing. I mean right I mean that we got we gotta think of like we gotta consider like Meet the Creep is like a whole separate thing that they want to put in like as far as like they only hire a certain amount of people for that. But you have to audition for that though. You have to audition for that too.

SPEAKER_01 40:07

So I'm saying there could be people in there yeah that they're like you know what you're really new we want you to do buffet to get your feet wet yeah and next year let's put you in a maze.

SPEAKER_04 40:17

Yeah which is which seems like a good strategy.

SPEAKER_01 40:20

Or vice or vice versa to be like hey you know what we want you to be in a maze to get your feet wet and when you get more personal uh uh uh when you get more um contact uh with people in a maze then we can put you on meet the creep yeah it could be both ways you know they can put that too because I mean but but also it's it's all depends on some people that want to do yeah if they want to they want to start earlier they're like well if you start earlier um would you be okay if you do meet the creep this year like I mean and I that I mean that's what that's what happened at Glow.

SPEAKER_04 40:54

I mean Glow Glow did that she she started she only got she was like I'm starting this I need to start this early around this time and I mean I don't really whole know the whole story but what from what it looks like it she wanted to start early she wasn't able to do the whole run with like be out there like for a certain amount of nights and then she um all of a sudden she was like yeah like I'm but I'm so I'm kind of stuck here doing that but she's like she's okay with it.

SPEAKER_01 41:19

No Gecko and Otis too I think they only had a I think they only had a couple nights where they were able to go out.

SPEAKER_04 41:24

Well also but you gotta think these are monsters are are very they're now uh established as iconic characters so they now they place them there because they want they want that kind of um uh market for for ever for buffet because they want to have people to interact with these iconic characters like Otis Gecko like they're very well at interacting with with with guests uh glow is very well acting with guests I mean even though she doesn't talk but like yeah but like she she's very much like that as well but um but I mean they they want people like that they wanted Bobbins to do it at one point they wanted Bobbins to do it and then uh she was like fucking no Cheyenne was like no um but I was like I I I felt bad for it because she wanted to do it she wanted to do that character but you know she she got what she wanted and she did she did really well hopefully she returns to her yeah she I really I really liked her character I I really liked her character it was really funny it was really funny because I was like every time I saw her she was always her back was like always like yeah dented like this way on the her mask was gross oh god it was like rapisty like I didn't know who the fuck it was at first I mean neither and because when I went against she's like hi and I'm like yeah I looked at her and then she was wait some woman was waving at me I was like are you in a maze I was like I mean I was like are you an origin are you an origin or something I was like are you origins or windows like an old lady I was like what the fuck are you and then and then all of a sudden she pops out her mask and it's freaking shiny she's like hello holy shit I'm like her mask from the bottom up dude I was like nice to see you it's me you jerk me jerk and uh so yeah she she but I felt like um when people want to bring back characters like that they just they I feel like you know the entertainment management like gives them that opportunity like well you can do it but you can only do meet the creed but yeah that's that's that's really really rough we I was even joking with some of us like what if I just came back what if like the grand character just came back for just meet the creed or just like buffet would you do it I don't think so really um I don't know I I think time wise it'd be really tough because they start well I don't know I guess I could yeah you know it'd be from like what like four to it'd be like three to eleven. Three to eleven yeah I mean that's what what what do they do what do they do after seven well so I give you an example like Ross started way earlier Earlier. Um he started like at three ish.

SPEAKER_01 44:03

Yeah, three thirty to seven. Yeah. Or three thirty to eleven. Eleven. Yeah. Eleven.

SPEAKER_04 44:07

And he was in buffet. Yeah. So he was in buffet and he only got to scare in he was only scaring the zone for like what for two hours? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:17

Three 'cause uh th three hours because he had to take lunch.

SPEAKER_04 44:20

Yeah, three, three, like about 12, three hours, give or take. But his but he was always spending time in like doing buffet, taking uh he had to take his breaks, and then when he go out there, he was only there for like a little bit, and then he would be off. Yeah, I he's like, Yeah, man, I don't fucking like that.

SPEAKER_01 44:36

Yeah, I wouldn't like that either, but I'm just curious how just like the um the buffet, because there were just characters that just did buffet. They did they weren't on streets. Yeah, like those clowns that did it. Yeah, the clowns, or there was like a couple nights and a couple, like I think even like the witch too this year. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 44:56

Well, they were allowed to that I think they assigned them to, which is a not a bad idea because they need to they feel those spots in.

SPEAKER_01 45:02

Yeah, but I don't know what because I don't think they were allowed to go into a maze afterwards or scare out in the streets. They weren't. So so so would they only so my question for for you is like if their s clocked, if they start at 3 30 and they clock out at 11, what are they doing from 7 to 11? Like what do they do? Or do they leave at 7?

SPEAKER_04 45:26

So they spend time in the they were they're they're I'm not sure 100%. But they take pictures? Yes, so they take pictures, but they're also in a different area for the buffet. Because there's still people like doing buffet stuff. So like the hotels like hotels are later, but like also but I but then again, I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 45:47

Three, four, five, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_04 45:49

Like that's not it's a good question, but like I I also don't know like what they're doing between seven and eleven. Yeah, it's like are they unless they're 3 30 to 8. Because it was weird because the last day, the last day of uh of haunt of haunt, they the people, the clowns that were doing buffet, they all came in to scare in our zone. Wow. It's like, oh yeah. So I saw them, I saw a couple of them like what the fuck? And I saw um I saw a girl named uh her haunt name's Rugrat. Okay, and uh she used to be in Carnival for a while, but she got uh placed into the buffet. Oh and I told her like I I didn't even I wish I asked her like what what is like how do you how how is this working for you? Like what are you doing? Yeah, and um I I I wish I knew, but uh she she didn't say what like she was just saying that yeah, I'm doing buffet around this, like this is what I'm doing the whole time. Weird, and um then after I go home that I'm like oh this sucks. I'm like I I feel like but then again, look, I was I I feel that because I was like that in the beginning. Like I in the beginning when I started in 2013, back then in scare when it was just Scareforce, it wasn't these like buffet stuff, like they were like you know how they're sectioned off in different like um places, yeah. Um, or how how do I describe it? They're like sectioned off in different things. So like they're you know, like overhires doing like mazes, they're different positions, different positions, correct. Sorry. Um so they were so usually like people that were in Scareforce, they were I I want to say during the time when I was there, they were always doing um just you're doing buffet, you're doing these events, and then after you would just go home. Like I would do like I remember doing like a couple of events, but while the event was going on, so I would go somewhere like in uh Cal Poly Pomona. I would go there and I would do like the event. Yeah, and then I'll I and I wanted to like and then when I got off, they would go like okay, well, you're off. I'm like, Oh, I can't scare. They're like, um they would they would bring you back to not scary farm? Not scary farm, they'd be like, Yeah, you're done for the day. I'm like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 48:05

But also Would you be leaving when people would be coming in to scare? Yeah, to sc to scare. Like what time would you? I'm just curious, like what time would you get back? Let's say from let's say you had a scare at a mall or like a cow poly, like on a Friday night, a Friday afternoon. So you what time would you come back?

SPEAKER_04 48:23

I want to say like right now it's like 8 21. So like I'll be back like at close to nine and I'll be done.

SPEAKER_01 48:29

Would they just bring you back or would you have to drive your system?

SPEAKER_04 48:32

No, no, we'd bring it back because I was I I I got to ride in the hearst. Hearst. Yeah, I got to ride in the hearst during the time, which is fucking cool. It was so cool because I used to sit in the back, and then I used uh then so I had like black Ben uh Ben Eye makeup around my face and then I would so I sit there in the back and then there's people driving by and they're like, What the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 48:51

Like, mommy. Why is this guy dressing up like blackface right? Wait, would your mask be off? It's like, yeah, my mask would be off. I'm like, my mask would be off, and they're like, What the fuck? Why if your mask is on? They'd be like, Oh my gosh, he's scary, but they're just like, What is going on here?

SPEAKER_04 49:08

What's going on here, dude? Yeah, uh blackface. Yeah, but they so I but there was but there also a lot majority of the times where I was just sent off to to scare. I would do like a thing. I would do a lot of it, a lot of the times where majority was me doing buffet. So I'll do buffet for like let's say like around like when it not begins, but like later, like in four o'clock ish, five, and then I'll I'll do that, and then um after the the buffet ends, I will go to all the way to like the rope drop, and I'll do rope drop and then I'll get to scared for the whole night. Oh that was like my version of it. I mean a lot of I mean there was like what maybe like six or eight of us during that time, and then um then oh some of them were sent off in different zones. All in the hearst? And the so no well this is the major this is how usually the strategy was going on. After I was done, I would go to rope drop. I was scared, then I was scared for the whole night. I was scared till like whenever I was off. Like, what was that, like 12, 1 o'clock? Well maybe when I closed. But like the majority of the time I was I was doing that, but then I only got to do those events, like where I got to drive in the hearse, I go to these events, like I'll go super early. Like sometimes I go super early. I would go like at um one time I went not very early, but like I would go, I would be there like at 10 o'clock in the morning. Whoa, okay, and then I would go all the way down. I would go drive all the way down to Coast Mesa. I remember this one. Go drive all the way down to Coast Mesa in the Hearse. In the Hearse, drive all the way down to and then see the swap. So go to that swap me area. You know where the Orange County uh go around there, scare for a little bit. So it was cool because like the hearse will sometimes elevate all the way up during the time. You know that when the hearse used to do that?

SPEAKER_01 50:58

I I remember, yeah. I remember like where it says Halloween haunts.

SPEAKER_04 51:01

Yeah, so but it used to elevate. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh cool, I don't know how it did it, but it used to do that for a while. And I don't know how it was. It was like a cholo mobile. Yeah, it was a cholo fucking mobile, but it was a fucking funeral for it was a mo it was like a mortuary fucking vehicle too. Yeah, yeah. So um it was something like that. But they they so we did that, and um then I would do that for like maybe like for a few hours, and then after I suddenly just just like went home. There was like one day out there, and then uh um I think I did maybe an then I did the Cowpoin Pomona, and then um I didn't get to scare the rest of the night, like I said. And uh, but the rest of them, I used to just go do uh they were like, okay, go do buffet, and then uh after that go out and go ahead and go scare right after. That's your assignment for the rest of the night.

SPEAKER_01 51:53

Would would they have you in different zones or would you just be in ghost?

SPEAKER_04 51:56

Gound, just assign it. Your your perme, whatever you were you were in Scare Force, whatever character you were, that was your character for the rest of the season. And I was just like this gruesome looking. Did he ever see my picture of uh the first one?

SPEAKER_01 52:10

The first one? Um, I don't think so. I have a picture of it. Um also, but when you would go in the hearse, would they only choose certain people to go to certain events? Because not or can that hearse fit all eight people?

SPEAKER_04 52:24

You know, no, it was just only me during the time. It was just uh no, there was one other there was one other person that went with me. It was like a carnival occasionally two monsters, yeah. Two monsters at most, but then after that, it was like none of them like came out right after.

SPEAKER_01 52:39

I I can find it. Would you actually like scare people like on camp on like yeah, on campus?

SPEAKER_04 52:42

I used to scare the shit up people on campus, and the fucking probably people were running with their fucking books and Papacto.

SPEAKER_05 52:51

Like fucking don't talk about this draw drop their calculator.

SPEAKER_08 52:56

Like I'm like, shut the fuck out. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 53:01

I'm like, no, didn't do that. Uh but there was there was a couple times where I would I would uh there was moments like that where I would do scale protest, bro.

SPEAKER_00 53:12

I'm like, don't do that. We're protesting for Hunger Strike. Yeah, we're from we want to freeze shampoo.

SPEAKER_04 53:17

You're just like but I was wearing my generic mask like that. Um I could find it.

SPEAKER_01 53:24

It's wait, is it the one with the crazy teeth?

SPEAKER_04 53:27

Yes, the crazy teeth. Yeah, I can find you like the beginning, how it looked. Okay. Um, oh, this okay, right here. Oh my god, dude. And um this how it originally was. The guy on the left, um, he was in Scareforce as well. His name was Johnny Nowyn. Oh, Johnny Johnny Wynn was a such a nice he he made that he made yeah, he got that mask approved from yeah, he got that mask approved from his um I don't know how he made it. He got I think he made it, I think Lubati made it for him, and he spent a lot of money for it. And he he's like, Yeah, I get I got approved for it. I got to wear this the whole night. I was like, I was like, oh shit, that looks cool. And he uh I and then and then that's where he knew a lot of uh but he also was very cool friends with like Aaron Vi, um like uh Clay, Angie, like we all we all got to hang around, like he got to hang around with us. He was awesome, dude. But like he he hung around with me sometimes too. I think he was I think he was in Scareforce, but like, or he might be a rookie, I'm not quite sure, I don't quite remember, but he was always I always see him around during the time, and then um but I I I was but that's how it was originally was for Scareforce. It was like it was a weird like system how they ran, but then as it evolved differently during a time when all these they placed them in different positions like over hire uh buffet scareforce like all like Scareforce B or Scareforce A, you remember Scareforce A, Scare Force B? Oh they do that fucking they do that now. I'm like, what what like I I don't know? It's like its own maze. Yeah, I'm like I don't understand it. Yeah, but like I I don't know how the rundown goes, but they they they have that already set in stand. And uh yeah, but uh I'm kind of curious how how this run will go this year. Uh it's should be very interesting.

SPEAKER_01 55:29

Oh yeah, yeah, it'd be very be very exciting, exciting, yeah, exciting. I I think I think every year's is every year's is different and exciting where you're no matter where you're at, you know. It's just um just because there's new challenges, new elements, new costumes, new people.

SPEAKER_04 55:46

I think the new cast leads. The the wherever I'm at, yeah, I have a very strong feeling that this is somewhere that will grow. It will grow for for like for the for the better. And I I think there was you know, I can't say much just because like we're on this uh NDA bullshit, yeah, whatever it is. But like I I feel like we're wherever I am, I'm I I have a very strong feeling we'd be if it works, if we all cooperate together, we can be the best. Yeah, we could be the best. I I I there was some strong discussions, and I'm like I said, I can't say much, but it was just like it's it's I feel like I'm I'm having a strong I'm being very optimistic about this. It just um you know it it there's there's uh you know like because I've been I just feel like I I've this last year was just really good and this year I feel like it could be a lot better with me this year. Um I'm god it's just a lot of changes.

SPEAKER_01 56:57

Yeah, I I think I was just when you were telling me that I was thinking of um because I uh obviously I have a desire to one day hopefully be a cast lead, you know, depending on the right. You are obviously this year a little bit different, you know, life changes and all that, but there's always next year, you know. Last year I was just like, yeah, I think I'd like to do it, and then like just life happens and uh getting married, so that's a big thing too.

SPEAKER_04 57:23

I want to say, I want to say that um so last time you came on, you were um with this woman for how long?

SPEAKER_01 57:33

For like uh I think let's see, I this was uh this was the beginning of this year, right? May of this year. So it would have been a year, well, uh October's gonna be two years.

SPEAKER_04 57:43

Two years. You were on the podcast like in around January. Yeah, uh-huh. January and and then like the beginning of January. The beginning of January, yeah. And then all of a sudden you got engaged. I did. Yeah, I I felt I was so happy for you.

SPEAKER_01 58:02

I was like, it's and you messaged me too, and that was really nice. Yeah, that was awesome.

SPEAKER_04 58:06

I'm so fucking happy for you. I I just I love moments like that where like where you feel like you have a like something in your gut's gonna you you know something that's gonna be really good with this person and you just go for it and um and you or less you guys both agreed on uh you know getting married as well. Yeah, yeah. So how are that how how did that all work?

SPEAKER_01 58:28

So oh when I got married, so I had a ring custom made for her. I had I reached out to one of my childhood friends who designs jewelry for a company called Tiffany's, and they desire very familiar. Yeah, I was just like, you're like, oh, some well, some people like don't know. Some people were like, Oh, I don't know, like Tiffany's. And so I just said, Hey, um, and what I did is uh, and hopefully whoever's l listening to this can take notes if they have a desire to get married or be engaged, is one of my buddies who was engaged at the time. Um or he he was married and he told me that he took his girlfriend at the time who's now his wife, to look at rings. And I'm like, I'm like, oh okay. I'm like, what was the reason for that? And he's like, well, he's like, I did that because I want to know her size, obviously, and what style or design that she liked because usually what guys think their lady likes is totally different what they like, yeah, you know, and so I'm like, oh, okay. So um actually right after our podcast, the and and beginning of the year, I took her, we went to look at rings, and then um I got like an idea of what she wanted, and then got her size and her ring size and all that, and then I reached out to um my buddy, one of my one of my one of my childhood friends, and I said, Hey, um uh I want to propose to to Abby, and uh this is the design that she likes. Would this be something that you could customize and could we talk about it? He said, Yeah, come on over. So I came over to his house and he had his like his little like drawing book and he was like drawing ideas and like oh like this is do that, let's do that. And the ring that I got her, it's um it's called a uh which I dude it was a crash course in in rings for me, but it's called like a bezel set ring where it sits. Uh the ring sits or the diamond sits in the ring where it doesn't stick, it doesn't stick out, it kind of sits inside the ring. So it's like the ring is so the diamonds like right in the middle. It's right in the middle, and it sits inside. So it's like uh it's like they make like a bowl of like the the metal and they put the ring in the bowl. So the ring is flat. Or the the diamond is flat with the ring. And the reason being is uh my lady has curly hair and she wanted something that wouldn't get caught in her hair, or she likes to paint and do stuff, so she didn't want her ring to get caught in stuff or whatever. I'm like understandable. I'm like, shoot, and and I I thought, I mean, I was just gonna give her like the biggest damn ring I could find. Like like a freaking huge rock, right? And but like that's not and that's that's why I'm like, oh yeah, she would like this, right? But that's like not what that would that wouldn't have been her first choice, and I would not have known that unless I took her out to get her idea of what she wanted, you know. And so I took her to uh this place called the Arboretum, it's in like there's one in Fullerton. Uh there's a Arboretum garden in right like Cal State Long Beach, like it's actually next to Cal State Long Beach, it's like in the same parking lot. What's it called again? Arboretum. Arboretum Arboretum. But there's also an Arboretum garden location uh next right across the street from the Arcadia Mall off the 210 freeway. It's up, it's up there more. Kind of by the San Anita racetrack. Okay. It's it's it's there. Um and so I took her there, and I was fine, dude. I was chilling, I was walking around, we're you know, I I met was messaging one of my buddies, he was gonna take like photos and pictures and all that. And so was she aware of the photos? She was not aware um of the photos until she like saw the camera guy. But so, dude, trip on this. So I told my one of my buddies, his name's Daniel, to go. I'm like, hey, dude, can you take pictures of me proposing to Abby? And he's like, Yeah, what day? I'm like, oh, it's gonna be February 28th, whatever. Saturday. He said, Oh, okay. And so I showed up on February 21st, like a week before, just to kind of like scan like the area, you know, like our breedum area, like, okay, this might be a good place to take a picture. This might be a good place, blah blah. And I see my buddy Daniel with his camera, and I'm like, oh hey dude, what are you doing here? And he's like, he's like, what are you doing here? I'm like, no, I'm like, oh, I'm just looking around, like looking for a good place to you know, to like so like uh to propose, so if you can get a good picture. And he's like, wait, that's not today. And I'm like, no, it's today's the 21st. Like I'm proposing to her on the 28th, like next week. And he's like, oh shoot. He's like, I thought you were proposing today. And I was like, okay, hold on. I was like, um, are you still available to take pictures of me proposing next week? And he's like, yeah, yeah. He's like, I am. I just he's he came on the wrong day. But it actually worked out because we were actually talking about like data and like what that looks like and like picture settings and all that. I'm not a photographer, but yeah, you know, he is, and so but it was like I'm like, what are you doing? He was like, What are you doing? He's two years. So it was really funny. But to the 28th, I think it's a 28th, comes by, or I'm just making that date up just to give like a seven, just to give like a week, a weekday difference, you know, yeah, of when he showed up and I showed up on accident, and then the actual proposal day. Proposal day comes. I think I'm proposing at like 4:30, like around that time. And I'm just walking around and we're just chilling. I'm wearing like shorts, I'm wearing this like dinosaur shirt that says poop on it, you know, like trying to like like like it says like dinosaur. I this shirt I got from Arizona, it's like a there's a dinosaur poop museum out there. So I wore that shirt. I wore that shirt with like a button shirt around like over it. And so I'm just like, okay, like I want to like make this kind of casual. I don't want her. If I if I shut up with like jeans and a nice shirt, like she's gonna freaking know. She's gonna be like, okay, he looks way too nice, like something's going up. Like, I think she's gonna propose. And so and so I'm playing it off, and like we're just walking around, enjoying our time, just looking, talking, blah blah whatever. And then like four o'clock comes, and I'm proposing at 4 30. 4 o'clock comes and I'm nervous. I'm like, oh, it's gonna happen. Shoot, like, oh man, like I'm like nervous farting, I'm like getting bloated, I'm like kind of like paranoid a little, like schizophrenic, dude. Like, like freaking out. And then so I walk to I take her to like the place that that my buddy Danny is gonna take pictures at. And and I get there at 4 30, and we're and I take her to like this spot, and we're like looking at I'm like, let's go look at this like flower over here. She's like, oh okay, and we're looking and talking. And I kind of like turn around to see where my buddy is, Daniel, and I don't see him. And I'm like, oh shoot. Like, and I'm like, okay, oh shit, I'm gonna have to stall this lady. Like, oh, what's gonna happen? And then I like I'm like looking like at her, like trying to like make conversation. And then I turn around again and I see my buddy Daniel like kind of like lean to the side like behind a bush with like his camera. I'm like, oh, he's hiding, okay. Coast is clear. He kind of was like thumbs up, I'm like, thumbs up. I'm like, oh okay, coast is clear, okay. So uh and so at that time, apparently like I like the world stopped. It's crazy. I the world stops, like like I blink, I kind of blank out, and she says something to me, and I apparently she's she told me that she said like a joke, like something funny about the plant, and I didn't respond or laugh at her, and so I think then she kind of was like, huh, like what's up with that, you know? Yeah, and so I'd said something like cheesy because she wears a lot of rings on her hands, and I'm like, Wow, notice like you have a lot of rings like on your fingers, blah blah blah. And I said, I think you need one more, or I said something along the lines like that, and she kind of was like, Oh, okay. And so I had the ring in this satchel that I have here, like, and I just said, I have a question for you, and I took out the ring, like the box, and I got down on one knee. I said, Will you marry me? She said, Yes. And I said, Really? Yeah, she's like, Yeah. I'm like, Oh, okay, cool, cool. And so I put the ring on her and she said yeah. She said yeah. So I I joke at people and they said, like, what happened? And I'm like, Oh, like, tell us what I like how you you know, how you propose, and uh and I just say, you know, I asked her and she I was like, Will you marry me? And she kind of like looked around and said, Well, there's no one else here, so yeah, I'll marry you. There's no one else around here, so sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:00

Yeah, you want me to marry the freaking flower? Yeah, you freaking marry that freaking palm tree, yeah, you idiot. Yeah, you jerk. Yeah, what did it what like I I'm always curious because you know, like, you know, Adam, you know, he proposed, you know, like in a year's He was on your podcast. I'm getting married.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:19

He gets like, he's like, I'm getting married, and I said, What do you say? Uh Will I marry you? When I marry you, or marry myself.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:30

Um, he would he would uh he so like I always you know like I told him like what was the feeling like in the beginning? Like, what made you want this to happen? And obviously theirs is a little story that's different because like they they've always wanted to get married. It's just like the amount of like time that happened, like it's about like the right time doing it. And um, and then Ange, you know, she doesn't know the whole setup, him doing that, that coming like together was like on the porch and everything, because like that's how they like I mean if you think of it, that's how they really met in that porch. Yeah, they met on that porch. Oh, sweet, yeah, which is funny enough because I met Ange on that same fucking porch. I met the porch and then I fucking scared the shit of her. Nice, yeah. Then she was like terrified of me ever since.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:19

By the way, their proposal story that they shared with you, crazy, it's crazy. Like that, I'm like, my heart was pounding. Yeah, like listening to their story. I'm like, oh my gosh. Were you there? You were there, you must have been there. I was not there. That was that that was 2015, that was last year.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:33

It was 20 uh 20 uh 24. They got proposed in 22? Yes. Then I was there. You were there, uh 22 or 23? 23. 23, sorry, 23. I missed it. Yeah, you missed it. He didn't tell me. Yeah, he didn't tell me. That rat. Yeah, what the heck? He didn't freaking tell me, so it's funny. He didn't tell me, like, he I forgot to tell grandpa. Yeah, he uh he I guess he had that all set up with like the people that you know had Morty, he had the you know, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:02

Yeah, Morty was there.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:03

Yeah, I was there, bro. Yeah, Tamar was there, and then like she set that whole thing up, and then I think the witch was around there too.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:11

See, now I'm mad. Thanks, Adam.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:14

No, thanks, I'm just kidding. Congratulations.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:16

I'm like, dude, I've I heard rumors about it. He's like, well, someone's gonna he and you know, Adam's gonna probe the anchor and is you know, you don't know yet. I'm like, well, maybe he will. I don't know. Like, I I just didn't know when it'll happen. And um, you know, being me being in carnival, I can it really be there. Yeah, and then uh and I I was like, ah fuck. So I I I told him, like, did you do it? And he didn't respond. And I got fucking so scared. I got so because like I didn't know what would happen. I didn't know what the result, what the outcome would be like. Yeah, and then I was like thinking, like, fuck, did he do it? Did it happen? Did she say no? Did she say no? Did she run away? And I'm like, like, what um what was going on? And then she slapped me. Yeah. And um, then they were they were there at the they were watching me at the planners at Midway, and then they then Anne showed the ring, and then I freaked the fuck out. There's a whole there's a whole video of it. There's a whole video of me like freaking freaking out. So cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:16

Yeah, it was Bumber they couldn't have let you like walk over. At least to like that, at least to like the the A1 gate. Yeah, A1 gate right there in like the dark. Yeah, I would have totally just like hit you in like the coffin right there.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:32

Yeah, dude. But fucking hit me in the coffin. I don't care. Hit me right behind the freaking fog box. Yeah, no, yeah, right. Yeah, right behind the fog machine.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:39

I'll be right there where where the I think that would have been fine.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:42

Yeah, yeah, but no, it's alright. I was I was just happy that they hit Adam got to do it. I think he wanted to, and then he I can already I had something, there was something suspicious going on because that day when because you know he used to stay at my house, and he was going, you know, we were getting ready, yeah, here, and he would um again, we all got ready and got to go. So that day when that happened, he usually is like a little talkative and you have conversations. Um so that day he was really quiet, and I was like, I was telling him like, are you okay? And he's like, Yeah, I'm just fine. Yeah, and I'm like, Oh, I'm like, okay. So then I'm thinking, like, what the fuck's going on? But there was, you know, like I told the story about how like he would go to the mall in that second week when he went to the mall. Yeah, and he was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, he's like, Hey buddy, I'm going to the mall again. I'm like, I'm like, all right, that's cool. Just go. I'm like, uh, I'll be here. And then all of a sudden I I went to the bat I went to this bathroom over here inside for like five minutes, and I walked back and I would go, the mall. I'm like, where the fuck are you going for the mall for? And he's like, I gotta get pants. I'm like, pants? I'm like, you you're you you type of guy that wouldn't want to get pants for fucking whatever. I'm like, why would you go to the fucking mall for pants? Go to Macy's? I'm like, why would you go to the Brea Mall for fucking pants? Like, why? Please tell me why. And then he's like, There's a dicky store down the street. Yeah, I'm like, dude, dude, like you could have done that like days before. I'm like, oh, you're doing this now? I'm like, I don't get it. I'm like, and then he was like, yeah, I gotta get pants for like this, for something like that went on. For work. I'm like, all right, fine, whatever. Then uh then I started to like get the hint of it. I'm like, oh okay, so he's gonna propose, but I just didn't know when, and then um then he did it. I I was really happy. But like my question is like for you, is that like when did you feel like you were going to make this happen? Um that's a good question.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:39

I I think the the Valentine's Day before our first Valentine's Day, I was like, I could see myself marrying this lady. Um and then I don't know, like I can't say like by and then by this date, I was like, it's gonna happen. But I just think that um all I can say is that it just felt right. You know, there's like this feeling of you're just like so confident of like of like Did you use that as like a spiritual aspect too? Like um, yeah, well that was already like the foundation, like even like even non-spiritually, like our convictions, like meaning like what we believe in and even like what like little things that we agree on, like we're pretty similar in that. So like that was like That's great, yeah. Yeah. So which means that like you don't have to be like religious to like to make things work, you know. Yeah. I mean you could be not I mean, it would probably be best if like if there's someone who's non-religious and they find someone who also is non-religious, at least they have that in common, right? You know? Um cuz then because then when it comes to personal beliefs, that's really hard. Like if the you know there's two different faith backgrounds, that's that's tough. That's tough, yeah. I mean, I can't my buddy who's whose dad's Muslim and his mom's Christian. That's that's hard. That's really hard.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:10

Yeah, you know, it's like dating like a Jehovah's Witness and a Christian.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:13

Yeah, yeah. I mean, well I remember you telling me that. Like if your your ex-like we don't we don't celebrate birthdays, it's like we don't celebrate 4th of July.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:22

I'm like, ah no! No, where's the fireworks?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:25

I know, like we don't do that, we don't do that. Yeah, Disneyland. Exactly. Like, that's hard. Like, if you married someone like that, that'd be hard. Oh, that's rough. Like, it's like, hey, I'm gonna go take the kids out to to haul like trigger training.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:36

Oh, we don't celebrate that. Side note, I remember this one my my grandma told me this once. No, I think there's my my grandma, yes. She told me that like her neighbor, one of her neighbors, um, that she lived at during the time, she said that like he knew he knew him as like a Christian. Okay. She she always saw him in church and all that. Oh, cool. And then he's like, Yeah, I met this woman, and then he got married, and then he goes, Um, yeah, well, she's a uh Joe will win this, and I just converted. Oh he just converted. I was like, Whoa.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:07

Yeah, that's how I'm like, how does that happen?

SPEAKER_04 1:16:10

And that's crazy. But like I wonder like if that's like something that you know you can you can do, but like it has to be an agreement in some ways.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:19

Yeah, yeah, at least now they both have they both believe the same thing, right? You know, even though like that's obviously we believe different things than Jehovah Witnesses do. Sorry, continue. Yeah, what was that? What the bee-beep?

SPEAKER_04 1:16:32

Yeah, that's right somewhere else.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:34

It's like beep. Oh whatever. Yeah, um, but yeah, but but but anyways, like but I I think yeah, obviously, like we both like we're both Christian. That's obviously something that's important uh important to us. Um but it just felt like comfortable. Like I I knew like when we when I got the ring, like I knew she was gonna say yes. I don't know, I so which was crazy. I don't know why I was nervous because I knew she was gonna say yes. Like I knew that. Yeah, but there's just a feeling that you're just like it just feels right, you know. Now I did get like after I proposed, I did get like nervous, like, oh shoot, like I'm getting married. Like, whoa. It's a big life, like not like cold feet of like, oh my gosh, like this needs to stop, but just like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, okay, I'm getting married, like like I need to like process this and like prepare myself and like you know, because it's such a big decision, you know. Um, but after you're just like heck yeah, I'm getting married, let's go. You know, it's really really cool. But yeah, I can't I can't come up with like of like uh I don't know. I mean I could I'm just giving an example of like Adam. I don't know when his his time was. If it was like yeah, like we went to like this one like outing and like she kissed me and I knew. Like we didn't have we didn't I didn't have anything like that. It's just like a feeling of like, huh, like like it just feels right.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:00

Yeah, you know, yeah, if always feels right when you are especially when you talk about um especially when you go to a uh a a place like that sells rings and you're just gonna Oh yeah, yeah, that was pretty serious.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:14

Yeah, I and I and be sorry before I f I forget. I I did I did mention her because uh right before right around Thanksgiving, she was gonna go um right a little bit right after Thanksgiving. She was gonna go to visit her parents in Tennessee, and I told her, I said, you know, when you come back, I think it would be wise if we looked at rings so I can know what size. And I think I was kind of like a oh, okay. Yeah. And she said yes. I was like, okay, that's cool. Okay. And that was kind of like what got like the ball rolling. Oh so I think I was actually a little bit more nervous, like during that conversation, of like, hey, like, I think we should go look at rings, you know. That was cute. I love that. It was it was really, really it's it's sweet, and I think of like um, you know, like I think in our like friend circle, I think of like you and like um and like Aaron, you know, and like obviously you guys have like the desire to like one day be like fathers and like have kids and and and all that, and and it's and like all I could say is like I think the hard thing for me because we're cause we're all we're all about the same age, you me, Vi, why of course why it's married, but like Vi's not married. I mean he's d he's dating, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:32

Uh Vi, he's dating. Okay, yeah. Why just got engaged too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He just got engaged too. Yeah, he went to so you went to Italy, where funny enough, where they shot Star Wars.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:45

Oh, then the the Naboo part? Yeah, the uh episode two with Anakin and Yeah, Anakin and um uh what was her name? Uh uh oh um Natalie Portman's character. Natalie Portman, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:57

So they they went there and then he's she was she was my crush, dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:04

Yes, she was my fucking crush.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:05

She was my crush, Natalie Portman, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:07

I told my fiance, I'm just like, listen, my celebrity crush is like is uh King Amidala, dude. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:12

Natalie Portman. Yes, and then the you know the overlord.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:16

The overlord, yeah, yeah, the overlord. One of the most attractive Jewish women ever.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:21

Oh gosh, she's so fucking pretty.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:23

I know. I I loved her so much.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:25

Not she's not I loved her, and when I saw her nose strings attached I started, I was like, This would be someone that was cute.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:36

Ash and Kushard, that that was that was a cute couple. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:39

That was cute.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:39

But yeah, yeah, it's she's not as beautiful. I mean, in my opinion, she's not as beautiful as my fiance, but I don't think I can see it, you know. So I love you, Abby. But but no, yeah, so so he went to Italy.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:49

Yeah, he went to Italy, got engaged. And he went to that place. Yeah, he went to that place and got engaged. Yeah, this night. It's all cool. Yeah, I'm stoked for him. I'm stoked for him too. It's just like those things, like these moments like you, Adam, uh, Wyatt, like I get very uh this year, too. We're all getting married this year. Yeah, this year. Um, I don't know what I don't know about why Wyatt's getting married. Or Vi. Vi is Vi is dating.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:14

Oh, Vi is it. Wyatt's engaged.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:16

Vi isn't. So why Wyatt um got engaged? Nice. Yeah, so um, but um, yeah, it it those moments like motivate me to like yeah, there I'm like, there's still hope out there.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:29

There is. I think it's hard, especially for I mean, even talking to I've talked to Aaron about this. Obviously, I talked to you about this, but and I think I was really nervous like when I first met Abby, like putting myself out there. Yeah. Because there were so many like closed doors, and you leave and and like and I don't think like ladies some ladies don't realize this, but like like guys like like you we we lose our confidence when like there's so many like no's in our life, or there's so many like relationships that don't end well, like you kind of lose confidence of like of like well like like that was it, like I guess there's no hope, you know? Yeah, but so it's very difficult like putting yourself like out there, like it's hard. Well, like and trying to gain confidence of like you know, like I can do this.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:18

Yeah, I I that's that's you know I've I've I've dealt that I've been yeah, I've been dealing with it, but like I've been dealing with that for the past like seven, six months. Like I've been dealing with that for a while because I just it's just it's like a personal uh filling of mine. I mean, this is why I go with therapy for it, but like but like I go I talk to my therapist about it and I talk about this one typical person, yeah. Particular person I talk to. I'm I'm getting wrong with particular. I don't know fuck why particular. I've been getting that wrong the whole time. Yeah, no, it's alright, it's happens. My brain's run. No, uh my we're getting old. You're getting old. But like I I I talk about this one particular person, yeah, and I you know, like she she knows who it is and what am I feeling like and what's the circumstances that are going on. And I'm and I just like I feel I I still have like even though like I I live with my life the best I can and do do whatever I mean. I'm I'm I'm doing gr really good as far as like my sobriety, my my my health, and my um, you know, like I'm going I'm doing a lot more play things that like I I I feel like there's more opportunity for me. I'm doing more of like I'm going for like a another lead role again for my work and I'm I'm hoping that there's there's a higher chance than I did before. Um I think I told you last time I did I went I went for it and I didn't get it. Okay. But um they they're opening the role again, so I'm hoping like by the time like maybe uh during the run of scary uh during the run of haunt or during or after I'm able to be filled into that spot. Um there's there but I have a higher chance and I'm glad that like that's something like I'm doing like there's moments like that where I I very cherish and I'm very grateful for it to happen. Yeah. And doing and but at the same time I'm like fuck man, I hate I'm I'm dealing with like personal feelings, I'm dealing with like I'm not like when I go to like the seeing other women, I'm like fuck, it it's not it's not the same, it's not the same because like I'm I'm it's not the same as this one typical person. Yeah, and you're still like emotionally kind of like yeah, emotionally like intelligence attached to there's emotional intelligence connected with that, and um I think it was just um I I don't know like I I had a hard time break you know letting go of that. Yeah, you know, time goes on, you you just kind of get like the you your therapist gives you a guidance of like saying like well there's uh moments where you just have to focus more on yourself and then evolve better. I I I'm doing very grateful. I'm doing a lot better at that. Okay, it's um um you know like especially when I when I have conversations like this, yeah. I'm I have I have gone so much I have like elevated so much better than I have before in my other previous episodes because if you look at my hero, especially in our conversations, yeah, I god, I I couldn't even form a sentence correctly. And I'm like, and and I mean you've seen it, you've seen like where like yeah, like where you were before. And we're just like I wasn't even in the right spot, the right state mine.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:37

And yeah, um I think there is even one time years ago where we were gonna do one, and I think I think you were so hammered. Yeah, or or was it that? Yeah, or or oh, yeah, and we just had ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was I thought you were just emotionally not there. We could talk about this. So I I but so we and we had to like postpone because just nothing was like working.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:59

So I'll tell you, I I was so hammered. I was I was freaking, I was not well, I don't know about hammered, but I was just like really buzzing drunk. I was like drinking and I was like everything was just like not correcting connecting right, and I obviously being very inebriated, I was ignorant um ignorant. Very drunk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just like intoxicated. Intoxicated. So I just couldn't even like connect the things right. I was like having problems. I instantly just gave up. So when you came in. And then I remember this is how like I really got close to you when you said this. Like part of this was the reason why I got close to you. Is that like you when we did that, you were postponed, and I said, like, I'm so sorry, I just don't know what's going on. I'm just like having I'm not having a good day. And then you turn around and you said, like, I'll pray for you. Well, that at first I was like, Well, who's gonna fucking do that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Who the fuck is gonna do that? That's a lot of process. Well then uh as I thought about you, you know, like time goes on, I thought about it. I'm like, yeah, you know what? That was a nice thing that he you you put in. Cause like, you know, not a lot of people think about that. I I never had I never had that kind of um uh of a message towards someone because like it was more of like, okay, well, I can't be around you, or I can't I can't be your fucking friend. Um I when wherever you behave, you're you're behaving just like just you're so out of place. Like I just can't be around you. And and you're you just can't talk right, you're you're um you talk too loud, you talk, you're slurring your words, or um you're you don't you look every time I look at you, you're just always depressed. And like like moments like that, I'm like, fuck. Like it's always that kind of message. And yeah, it's not always that time. I always had like, you know, my one my you know, I have close friends that would talk to me and you know that would you know

SPEAKER_01 1:28:00

talk me with like give me some like very um you know nice messages yeah but um that that was felt like really nice and i i I hated that I felt I felt really bad I was like oh my god I'm so sorry because like that that was just like a shitty moment for for me where I I never had that happen it was like it was out of uh it was like it was out of character which is like with which happened to everyone where it's just like which is actually kind of like good well not good but it's just like oh this person like that that they're not acting like themselves like which is like that's not their normal which is good because their normal is a lot better like and it's more it's more like focus more presentable more like engaging you know yeah and um so you know now it's like I I I'm much more efficient of like taking care of things I take more initiative things I ever done before and I just I um and uh but like you know dealing with these personal battles I've handled it a lot better than I was previous when when I used to drink yeah not to be all like a spiritual like um that was the whole like that that was the part of me that was really really just tor tormenting my life is like when I deal with personal feelings I was just I I only drank because it was just the only solution for me.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:27

Yeah it was the only thing I just felt like it was like the one and one and done the end all be all and yeah and uh now like I'm very grateful that I'm able to things like this happen. Like I I just I I just I've been having a rough week with like this going on you know these personal feelings yeah um and um I just I'm having a hard time like coping like understanding what is going on because like I have I've lost contact with this person now like I can't I I don't there though and there was not there wasn't a reason why um that's all that's pretty much I can say is like there wasn't a reason why I lost contact with this person that I had legitimate feelings for. Yeah um and I was spinning around that my head for out like months and months like and and I just you know and now I'm still like having that but like also um I'm I'm trying to like move on and trying to like do the uh be my better self and move on and like you know evolve better and get in get into things that I need I need to do to like uh I don't want to say distract me but like to like be to I guess to fulfill a lot my life a lot better. I don't know if that makes sense. Yeah yeah yeah just like more things that like you know to to there's a better there's um there's better things out there yeah better things to to to engage you than in than to to weigh in on on this personal family that you feel that you friendly like for the past like six seven months and I'm like exactly you're wondering why like why the fuck did this person like just randomly like stop contacting me and like why I know it sounds petty to say because it's like petty like this kind of petty shit like where people like we'll move the fuck on what we'll fuck you do bro. But that's that's hard though like find other women which I have which I have I met I've I've met like a coup I've dated I've done dates around here I just had a date last week it was oh cool it was um it was alright it was not it was not my not my thing but like you know but like at the same time I was like oh cool that's not bad and then um but it just didn't feel right I would just feel like it just this doesn't like the connection I'm getting and I'm not saying like I'm not gonna get the same connection as this pr previous person I did before. I just I I know I I just need to like figure out like who is right for me. Yeah. And um yeah with that like I I don't know I'm just I'm just babbling about it. I'm you know no yeah then because it's like uh any you're emotionally invested in this person that's kind of oh yeah dude tough I was uh this is like this is this is like a golden ticket yeah but due to circumstances I couldn't couldn't and if did it suck yeah it fucking sucked and I probably still sucks but it still sucks it still sucks to this day because I I I just I couldn't but like I you know like as you you know I'm I'm feeling like you know I I can find someone like that or similar you know eventually but I feel like I just don't want to weigh on that too much exactly because that's the whole problem right it's just like you if you weigh that on on that too much you you dwell on it then you're not gonna like move on with your life exactly better things.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:43

And then like it's hard and it's almost unfair to like compare like your like you're like compare like this person to like a new person that you're like oh well they don't have this they don't have that right you know that's always hard to can you imagine me hanging out with you weekly and you talk me talking about the same person and you're like man bro shut the fuck up therapy I I'd have to charge you be like hey I'm your new therapist I'm like if you're gonna talk about this like like you're gonna you're gonna have to pay me I'll listen you know I I felt the it felt the same way. Um did you did you ever feel like uh I I I was trying to find this word well let me let me go to the restroom real quick then we'll PP break pee pee break we'd be right back pee pee break all done uh by the way that bag that I was showing you that's uh uh I didn't it was given to me so our our for teacher appreciation week at my school um they just gave out stuff whoa so they gave out that dude yeah well well someone in our district had a connection to coach and so and so they like gave out three like everyone was able to pick three items crazy so I picked out a laptop bag I picked out that like satchel thing and then I got my mom like a like a uh a wallet or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:04

That's cute you know yeah so oh wow but yeah I can never afford that it's crazy how much do you think that is I don't know like let's find out let's find out coach what how should I put it coach uh saschel bag right coach satchel and sash yeah is there that oh sash bag there you go let's find out Saschel bag well that it's gonna always have the logo sash bag for men yeah uh maybe I could I got it Gemini Couch sashobag a sash bag a couch I found it but it's not like yours oh um but roughly it's gonna be like $250 yeah yo I cannot afford I'd rather get a tattoo than that yeah yeah I'd rather get a fucking tattoo I wouldn't buy that for 200 bucks no 200 bucks what what is the motivation behind that though like what is I I always wonder that's this is my thought is that like these people with these like I mean I I met a woman I mean I've known this woman for a while but like I I went with her to the festival and that she w she carried this like Louis Vuitton purse uh no no sorry Louis Vuitton Wally okay and she but she carried this Louis Vuitton bag and she has these Michael Korr bags and uh very like girly esque but like I I always wonder like what is the motivation behind that like I always wonder like is it just like the sense of fashion is this like is it like motivate is it make it more um like your person your persona shows a lot better?

SPEAKER_01 1:35:56

I think I think it's a sense of status. What do you mean? Like where if you have certain things that are really really nice you enter this type of status. Almost like um status of what though I don't know status of like uh have in the cool bag in the cool girl bag curl cool girl bag gang so if you have that kind of sense of status would you get into the clubs for free?

SPEAKER_04 1:36:25

I know right you wouldn't you wouldn't I I'm thinking I wouldn't get it that at all I'm like they're like that's a cool frickin' Sasha dude you still have to pay yeah exactly I'm like what the is that Disney that's no that's not Disney that's not Disney but that's fireworks right now yeah yeah that's uh let me see yeah yeah it is it is because it is it is j it is July 3rd at nine o'clock yeah it's starting already so tomorrow dude that's gonna be fucking blazed off it's gonna be a war zone down oh yeah say Sabre Island dude it's gonna be crazy it's gonna be freaking dude last year they had drones like going up and down the freaking streets did you see the photo of it was last year and uh someone took a air a a sky cam out in LA and you can see all the fireworks blasting in milliseconds. Yeah it's positive holy shit dude crazy crazy shit yeah but like I always wonder like what what the thing like we're since we're talking about like yeah girls previously like I'm not really into like the girly girl esque that's like not my thing but like I understand it like it's really nice and all like I I know a couple people are like that but like that like that like that kind of stuff but to like a certain extent yeah but there's some that are just like way over it can be way overdone way overdone. Oh yeah and I I can't seem to hang out with those people because I'm like those people those girls are just like they're very limited on like what they want to talk about and like they don't get the right jokes of if you whatever you say like dude they think they're a higher status. They higher status in me I'm like look if I'm gonna say fucking furt shit retarded and I'm like but you're not gonna get it then what the fuck am I hanging out with you for boy because you're wearing a fucking Michael Quartret I'm like fuck the fuck what the fuck are you doing? Exactly yeah yeah I like I can't see like understand those kind of people but like freaking Lululemon shorts oh god don't give me fucking starting my god there's a fucking new there's a new freaking Lululemon at downtown Disney is it right next to like Starbucks oh god it's right there in the so the That's stupid the the new building at Lululemon it's right where they used to have the ESPN zone. Oh you remember the ESPN zone yeah isn't it kind of yeah oh my god I went away but it was the fucking coolest shit ever it was the coolest shit ever that I loved every fucking time yeah but you go in there and you would go immediately right when you go in the host would tell you like do you want to go like do you want to sit in the arcade? I'm like fuck yes upstairs right upstairs a little there's a little turnstile up to the stairs or you could take the elevators if you're too lazy but like if you go up all the way down and then you go and there is a fucking village of fucking games and you go there and you're like fuck yes let's fucking go screens around there's sports playing there's fucking just football you know golf whatever football fucking whatever swimming like God let's fucking go cornhole corn let's fucking go let's all fucking go that made let's and then this fucking was so awesome just as like a as a kid yeah you know being like totally it was like it was like nostalgia for me now it's like Lululemon Lululemon chonies well and like girl chonies for a while they closed that down and they didn't build anything in there they build um they were doing a um I think it was like a museum for like cast members for a while oh I think so it was like inside there was like doing like more historical stuff about the the the resort and everything so I think they had some like that for I think for cast members and guests I I'm not completely sure but this is what I heard you know like be you know cast members start to tell you things and it goes sideways but like yeah but yeah that's what they they were saying for a while but they were like yeah something else is gonna get built in there I was like is it gonna be the S Pien zone? I know yeah ESPN zone please no it's gonna be something else it's gonna be evolved with retail I'm like fuck you why what is gonna be Lululemon Hollister yeah is it gonna be American Eagle Gymshark no Lululemon fucking god damn it why it's like why Lululemon Step Brothers is like this house is the prison yes it's a I remember that goes like this is a fucking prison it's a prison everywhere um but the reason why I think they they bring these kind of companies I think Lululemon was just originally like a web I think it was a website and then they had their home location out in like LA somewhere and then they uh they grew and uh then that's when they like started to put like a lot of these uh like well like well known like um I guess they're not uh independent um uh play like businesses but they're they build that and then now they they have that and a bunch of other locations um I mean they did the same for I I can argue the same for when they did that for Ballast Point or you know Ballast Point Ballast Point was it's a brewing company. Okay. So it's uh they all just sell like different like hundreds of different like different kinds of IPAs. Okay. Um so located in Ballast Point was located in Long Beach. It was really nice. I will I've went there during time when I drink but like um yeah I went there it was such a beautiful view because you can sit because there's a lounge in there you can sit on these cushion couches very nice and you sit down and you look at this giant window oh and you see it and it's a sea and there's a dock nice and there's boats some boats sunset the sunset oh my god the sunset in there when you're intoxicated you're like you look at there you're like oh my god like fucking god this is so beautiful oh my god I gotta take a shit and you're like oh god fucking poop um but it would it that was a beautiful view but like then I eventually I don't know how they did it but like they eventually started to uh uh bring Ballas Point over to um to downtown Disney so they're they're located up they have a they're located on a um tower like an upper tower okay they have a nice view of like a second level yeah a second level area so they're on top of a s uh of of a of a store yeah top of the store like on the bottom like I think on the bottom is Legos no actually no it's like actually Legos has their own thing going on I know right and then they're rebuilt they just rebuilt recently so they built like they've rebuilt like a bunch of other things haven't been there in a long time they they just rebuilt they um yeah by the way if you ever want to go just let me know right I know I gotta hit you up yeah please please do I gotta hit you up yeah for your uh engagement do it do it now shut it up um but yeah they just rebuilt and then they they designed they they have their own thing going on yeah like that whole have you ever been inside that Lego store uh uh not since 2023 that Lego store is a fucking death village what it's fucking nothing but chaos inside it's it's nothing but children that want that are crying for the set of Legos that cost $800 and or $400.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:56

Yeah yeah they're they're they're bringing there's a there's a bunch of brats around there's fucking bunch of shit there's new collections are going around new editions that are related to the park the resort so like Star Wars princesses and uh you know um pirates pirates and all that there there's a bunch of different things marvel yes and I'm like this is cool and then all of a sudden I check the prices I'm going I'm leaving yeah no I'm leaving but also I was like this is awesome for everybody I'm I'm not much of a Lego person I have never been okay yeah but like I don't know have you ever been I was I was a big Lego person I was I was I was I was really into like I mean I kind of gave it away you know it's crazy I kind of gave my Legos away just because like I just was like I really want to continue playing with them but it's kind of like I think like uh it's just like kids I think it's a kid's thing and some like damn I had some Legos that are so cool that I wish I'd never given away yeah you know um and like uh I could see like the the aspect of having of like guys my age like building Legos with their kids like I could see that yeah I can see that too I would I would love to do that for my kids um yeah exactly but I love I feel like I'd probably like building Legos more than my kid would I'm like look you can you can build your Legos over here kid yeah but also you need to go to jujitsu class yeah yeah exactly you need to go to jujitsu class right now you gotta learn how to roll you got to lower our roll you're five years old you gotta do it and then once you get up to like you're 14 15 years old yeah it's all fun once you know how to naked arm bar then I'll get you a Lego once you know a fucking I'll stroke a fucking dark stroke you're fucking gonna be so good.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:39

What if they did UFC Legos? Oh that'd make you happy like a fucking Carter McGregor. Yeah Carter McGregor on my exact I'm like which one do you want? Do you want Coke Carter McGregor or off coat?

SPEAKER_04 1:45:50

Yeah yeah yeah yeah like prime coat great a Gracie Did you gym set oh yeah with this thumb just missing yeah because I was like wow it's so cool a special edition and all that exactly yeah no I uh but uh yeah Legos is uh that that that's that's cool but that that's crazy like just like the the whole industry of that yeah that's insane I think there's a documentary about that like how they how they built that how they built the Legos but there's um but my my um my brother in law he used to sell them oh yeah he used to he when when uh before he got in uh married to my sister he would sell all these Legos and that's how you he made big profit out of it like from his like own like room he would go to his own he had his own office and I would I I'm one time I went to his office and and um and then all of a sudden I saw bags and boxes full of like I'm like are you guys like I'm like is this for your business or something or is this for work? He's like yeah I'm building Legos I'm like the fuck I'm like excuse me it's like how old are you and I'm like yeah he was like like about like our age during the time I'm like are you so are you what what do you do with it and he's like I sell them I'm I built them I put them on eBay and I sell them and he made huge profit during the time during the time it was like a huge thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:12

I didn't know he was telling me about it and I was like oh there's a whole industry full of this stuff yeah there's a second industry yeah yeah crazy I'm like what the fuck even bricks uh what's the store uh bricks and minis store bricks and minis it's like uh it's uh there's like these like Lego stores called brick uh they're they're taught bricks and bricks and minis bricks and minis yeah there's a couple of them around and like you could sell your old Lego sets and they'll buy them bricks bricks and minis oh there's one in Anaheim and minis Miffelings minis minifigs minifigs there's one off of Euclid Street oh and you could sell them you can sell them and then they have you can buy them too it's like what it's what it's what a Lego store should be because look at e I mean if you look at the pictures that they have it's like a smaller version of like the official Lego store minus all the crazy kids.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:10

Yeah maybe there's like one or two kids in there but it's like oh I think I it's like the signs like blue yeah blue and red or yeah blue red blue yellow or something like that I remember they used to sell stuff like this yeah they're still around it's amazing how they people in that time can or now I mean people still probably do that. Yeah they can start selling these stuff and it you know the new thing is it's Pokemon cards.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:36

Dude it has come it's back yeah I'm like what the fuck did you ever have some when you were little no I fucking never liked them I love I love them dude I had like four Charizards you jerk I never I was I was a fan of the show I loved it I tried on the first movie it went when Ash turned to stone and like the you see the seal fucking crying the the seals seal seal you retard I was like what the fuck man freaking nonfictional animals seal seal I'm like and then um or these frictional animals um freaking crying whatever oh my god that's fucking so crazy but yeah they brought it back and then um but they used to do that too I thought they did that too with Yu-Gi-Oh cards oh probably I know Yu-Gi-Oh and you know it's yeah Yu-Gi-Oh I feel like that's kind of coming back but surprisingly uh magic cards bro yeah magic cards are coming from the Gattering yeah yeah those are coming back like hard yeah they're coming back what the heck but and I was thinking of like who's that like oh was it Misty in uh uh uh Pokemon the the girl uh uh Misty Misty or Mewtwo no it's like the Misty is that the name Misty Pokemon

SPEAKER_03 1:50:01

That fucking dude was hot back then.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:07

She was like the old that was the first woman that I ever saw wearing a crop top. I was like, this is fucking cool. She love the show.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:15

And she's wearing the freaking strap. And she's wearing the strap band on my life. Oh my god. And she's a fucking redheaded woman.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:22

I was like, this is fucking what I want.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:25

Stay terror therapist. This is what I'm emotionally attached to. This is all I'm emotionally attached to.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:30

And then um fucking uh and then but yeah, you freaking find those in. Back then she was a cutie until I met my my fiance. Yeah, but good save on that.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:40

Yeah, good save on that. Yeah, thank God.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:41

Because she might listen to this. Yeah, she'd be like, She'd be like, excuse me. She'd always like, who are you fucking fan of this cartoon character?

SPEAKER_02 1:50:48

She's like, so are you gonna marry me or marry this misty? You want to marry me or you want to marry this fake yeah, yeah, this misty whore. Yeah. Do you want to make a freaking AI version of that?

SPEAKER_01 1:50:57

Oh, oh, dude, people are getting married to AI now. AI figures.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:01

Yes, AI figures. That's gross. That's scary, dude. Yeah, anyways.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:04

But yeah, Pokemon's coming back. My kids are like all obsessed, like my students are all obsessed with like um like Pikachu and like Raichu and and like all like the first generation ones, which is cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:17

Like they're all they're all obsessed with like Snorlax and Jigglypuff and like he uh I know a guy, I know a guy from work, he has like his own uh channel for YouTube, and he would buy the packets, he will go like he will go to some place, he'll camp out there, and he will go get the get the special edition, whatever it is, whatever edition it is, he'll get it, he'll put it on his video, and he would either keep it or he would sell it, and he'll make this weird profit out of it. People will buy it, he'll buy it. I mean, you remember when I think it was was it when uh uh Logan Paul sold his like Charizard or something for like a million dollars? Yeah, yeah. Like, what the fuck? Like, how do you like I don't know what the motivations behind it though? What it like I I don't know, like I'm always curious. Like, what is the motivation behind that? Is it like nostalgia bringing like yeah because of like you used to watch the show and then like you want to collect that and then yeah, I mean it used to be like that too when you used to collect toys.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:22

I mean, yeah, I think it's nostalgia, everything's like nostalgia crazy. I think even like uh when I was on like the Doughboys podcast, they asked, like, why do you think people keep coming back to knots? And my I said, my opinion is this it's nostalgic and it's comfortable. Yeah, you know, it's something that's familiar, so that's why these old things, dude. Look at like even these like old haunt shirts are like people are selling them for like for like 400 bucks, right? Right, yeah. I was actually looking for a 1991 haunt shirt, and I was like, Yeah, I don't think I want to spend $400 on a shirt.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:52

I wouldn't want to sell $400 for a fucking t-shirt for like that. Like, let me let me go find one. I mean, dude, I can make one basically, yeah. Besides, anyways, like some sometimes uh the wardrobe department will sell will not even they'll run out run out of uh t-shirts for like the for this year for that year, and they'll run out and they'll go, Oh well, we have 2021 uh t-shirts, or we have 2017. I'm like, please give me that. I know, dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:23

Imagine is it golden years? I would have loved that. They're just like we have sorry, we ran out, but we have 1999. Dude, dude, give me that. Yeah, fuck yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:32

We only we only have a large, that's me. That's me, please.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:36

It's all black, and then they have the logo and the front. It's nostalgic, and they and it's nostalgic. And they have the list of mazes, and you're like, oh fuck, I remember that maze, the Dominion of the Damn fucking cool fucking gauntlet, like all that stuff. Um like a ghost down, like when it had a different uh logo during the time, like that. That should like always like it's nice to see. I I liked seeing that, but like when I buy it, I'm like, eh. No, I wouldn't necessarily buy it, but yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:01

Yeah, but yeah. Sorry, I had a random thought, but did you ever listen to um this had nothing to do with what we're talking about? Okay, but uh a Neil, what's his name? Neil Thompson, the the the the science guy? Neil Tyson? Neil Tyson?

SPEAKER_04 1:54:17

Oh, Neil Tyson uh Neil deGrasse Tyson?

SPEAKER_01 1:54:20

Yeah, yeah, when you talk to uh Joe Rogan. Yeah. I listened to a podcast uh recently and I was thinking about you. It's like, oh, like, because I know you you listen to Rogan a lot. And he was talking about um his view on um on oh what's the what's what's the type of what what was it what was it called? His view on um um not opioids uh like drugs, like uh um what are they called? Like the ones that like like hallucinogenic hallucinogenic drugs that is that makes sense? Um like MDMA like uh like he was saying like um like E or like C like like uh like that type of like MDMA a little bit. Okay, yeah, and he was saying I think I think um at least I think uh what it is, but yeah, and he was just saying um and I was thinking about like even just like regular prescription medicine too, how it can be overdone. Anything can be overdone, right? But he was but Joe Rogan asked him, said, um, what are your thoughts on like those type of like hallucinogenic hallucinogenic drugs, like shrooms and and and and like E and like stuff like that and he just said um he said well he said for him and he yeah he actually got got me thinking uh Dr. Neil he's like he's like he said he's not a fan of those based on what they do to man and their productivity and he was just like I'm like and he he explained he just said he said um he said there needs to be a study he's like in in order for him to be sold he's like there needs to be a study done where um people are hallucinogenic, they take these certain drugs, um and to see how productive they are on these drugs. Now, you can make the argument okay, like when it comes to art, yeah, yeah, yeah, like like like there's really famous painters that I mean that's how Stephen King wrote his books.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:34

Yeah, he wrote he wrote it when he was on cocaine.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:37

Yeah, that's exactly well cocaine's crazy. Yeah, it's I don't know about this fucking wild. I don't know if I would I don't know if I would uh if I would like recommend like all right kids we're gonna write short stories and you're gonna use cocaine and you're gonna be good.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:48

What's the feeling like if you're like and then you have to ask your parents for like, well, mom, what is cocaine? Yeah, what?

SPEAKER_01 1:56:55

Because we took some today.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:56

Oh we all thought it was baking powder, but we're like, oh, it's a different feeling, and my nose is numb.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:02

Yeah, yeah. I have a bloody nose, mom. But yeah, but he was just it was interesting, but when it comes to like art, but he's just like he said, like, well, in the math science realm and engineering realm, he's like, how would that benefit society? I was like, huh, that's very interesting. Because I know there's this huge thing where people are using some doctors are using them for like veterans who come back, and they need to like um like they're just getting all these crazy thoughts, so they need they need they they say that if they take these, it like helps them either settle down or not. The only the only issue is with that that this Dr. Neil was saying is like that could accelerate to them being addictive to something else. And I was like, that's true.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:47

That that can true if you're if you're going through uh a trauma, a trauma or like an addiction. So like if you're if you're saying like if you're sub if you get a rid of say if you get rid of alcohol, then your other vice, if you do cocaine, then you're you're that would be your other vice and you'll be addicted to that. Again, it's ten I think I heard I'm I could be wrong, but this is what I heard. Yeah. Uh um an effect of that it could be ten times worse than what you were previously addicted to. So like if you were doing if you just got if you were uh sober alfalco and then you just got addicted to coke, and then that that could be like a tormented oh yeah, yeah, that that could just be I mean it's obvious. I mean that's a whole thing. I mean, coke coke is not even good for you. Yeah, but if you do like say like I mean if you do if you do like as a ritual, like if you do like not a ritual, like uh like um a modernization, you do like ketamine. I mean I've done ketamine before, I've done that plenty of times, and then but I know I'm not like addicted to it, yeah, exactly. But like I use it for you know uh not res recreational use. Um was it resurrectional use? Yeah, recreational use for like festivals and stuff. Yeah, festivals, yeah. Like I do that, like I use that. And I I mean I've I've done I've done I'm Mercados with like molly and acid, and you it you do it more for like I I I my therapist was talking about it was really interesting. I I totally it's totally um common sense too. It's that like there's a difference between enhancing with the drug and escaping. And I was like, ooh, so like it was because we're talking about like edibles because I you know I've been taking edibles, and I told I've I've I was like, Yeah, I take edibles here and there, and like I was taking like more than I should have this week, and then she goes like, Well, there's a difference between that, you know, taking it as an enhancement versus taking it for an escape. And uh she because like due to my circumstances, it's just like she was saying, like, well, as something that you should watch out for. Oh, yeah, you know, like because it's um because if you get because you know, like it it I as much as like edibles or weed uh THC doesn't sound that much of like an addiction, it still can. People do get uh addicted off of that. I know people that when I went to AA meetings, they they got super, they got super addicted to that. They I mean that's that one the one thing could like and and obviously that goes back to like it gets you back to like step one where you were drinking to the time. Yeah, and then um I've I I've seen that before happen and I I've I mean but like I never I I've always said this before I say it again, um, is that like I was very fortunate fortunate that I never got addicted to drugs, but I got fucked over with alcohol. Yeah, yeah, and it was which is like totally true because I I never I just never had a problem with um drug. Yeah, I've had um in my past where I would get I would do a bender of coke, but that only time I only did it twice and I instantly right after the second time I knew the effect. I was like, okay, I can't do this shit anymore. I'm fucking I'm sweaty, I'm sweating, I'm pale, I'm pale as fuck, I'm I'm having a bloody nose. I'm like, I can't fucking do this. I can't buy a fucking eight ball out of nowhere and just like go fucking off the rails. Yeah, you know, it's not good for me. But um, you know, but I I never had issues with like being addicted to you know, my my uh you know my MDMA use, or I'm using that as like a term. I'm I don't know, I guess you're my other drugs that I I've I tried and um you know like I've it's just like it's a good enhancement because when you go like for me uh personally, me, I mean it's it's different for everybody else. For me, like when I go to these festivals, I uh when I take these enhancements, I take these uh supplements or whatever it is, it's drugs. Yeah, I I feel much more like I don't want to say different. I have a different f uh feeling. I mean you feel more happier, you feel like the the music is a lot slower than than than it is normally before. I mean you're you're feeling yeah spoots spoots spoots. And the I mean, or even that, or the music's just a lot, it's just a lot longer.

SPEAKER_08 2:02:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:06

And um I I don't know, like I I I get I get a better enhancement out of it. And um, I'm not saying that doesn't happen when I'm on like when I'm off drugs. Like I'm I'm every time I'm off drugs, I feel like a very I get a very different emotion out of it. I mean I get kind of well actually, you know what? I get the same emotion out of it, I should say. Because like, you know, when I the difference with me listening to TSO uh at Dream State, with for instance, I I'll use that as a perfect example. When I watched TSO at Dream State, I was fucking in shocked because I never seen him uh perform a you know TSTO. I've uh I probably heard their music. Yeah, their music, you probably heard of it. Yeah, he's a he's a DJ, he's a huge legendary DJ. Does he just did a performance last year at Dream State? Oh no, he performed a whole uh trans genre music, and where that's originally where he's from, and he hasn't performed it in like 15 plus years, so it's huge, it was a huge thing. And I was I just never I I never heard of him before, and I was like, oh I never I never heard him perform trance music, yeah. Um so when he did that, I was in shock. I was like, holy shit, like this is like this is a new lane for me, and I fell in love with trans genre music ever since because of of his due to his set. And I then but well obviously well I was like on drugs, so I was like in to the music, I was more sucked into the music. Um so but like right after that, right after like the set was done, I kept on telling my buddy of mine. I was like, holy shit, that was that was probably the best set I ever seen. I was like, I was so quiet. I mean, that's how I usually am, like right after a set. I'm like fucking I'm quiet. I'm like just gathering my thoughts. I'm like, holy crap, dude, that was like the best fucking set I ever seen in my life. And when I listened to again, I got that same kind of feeling. I was like, oh my god, this is so fucking good.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:07

So do you feel like if you saw him again, you wouldn't you wouldn't take anything?

SPEAKER_04 2:04:11

Yeah, when I heard him, when I heard him in different um, when I heard him in uh beyond, I was I was feeling like I was I was so happy to see him. Yeah um there was moments of um me like well there was right after that I should say sorry right after that I I was listening to a couple of his other sets and I got that same similar feeling to him. I was like, holy shit, dude, this is so good. I loved it. I love it. I just became a huge fan. I mean, been a fan ever since I saw him at Dream State. But I mean that's a just a fine that's just just an example of how like difference between being on those um those ritual drugs and then versus being off of them.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:53

Yeah, I was just curious because I think as a musician, I'm just coming from a musician standpoint, yeah. Like I wouldn't want to I would I I would want to experience music as myself with me in control, with me in my natural state. So then I can like therefore I could um what's the word I'm looking for? Like um just like kind of collect that experience like naturally, yeah, you know, and I can just like almost like um just like debrief that naturally without being like out of control. And I think Dr. Neil was kind of talking about that too, of like the benefits of being in control during an activity versus um having an activity enhanced um and what what that looks like. I guess for him, and I I guess I I'm probably more on the side of what what his what his uh opinion was is just like I just don't see me personally, I'm just like oh okay, like if someone wants to do that, like that's on them. Like I don't see like if I if there's experience like I want to like process that that's what I'm looking for, yeah, like naturally, right? You know what I'm saying? Right, and that's kind of what he was, and it was like I I'll I'll have to send you that episode because he was because he was using like interesting data about like different types of um um like like like the benefits of it and like what like and like what experiences are worth taking and whatnot, you know. Obviously, everyone's adults they can do their own thing, you know. Um, but it was a very, very interesting topic that he brought up with like Joe Rogan. Because I know Joe Rogan's like really into like yeah, all right. He's he's like really into all that stuff, and like Neil was kind of giving him a run for money. He's like, well, like why? And he's like, Oh, because it makes you feel good. He's like, Okay, why? And like Joe was like, huh. Like, it was really interesting.

SPEAKER_04 2:06:53

Yeah, because yeah, there's I mean, he's he uh Neil is Neil deGrasse Tyson is a very curious person, yeah, as far as that. But he has a brain, he has a brain, but his brain is a lot different from others as far as like I mean that guy studies fucking stars, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:09

She's a astronomer. He's an astrometer.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:11

I mean he's mainly that's his that's his specialty. I mean so as far as like him going to like these other stuff, uh like and you know, these drugs, and I mean he was talking about like one time um when he was on, I think the last time I saw him um on the show, he was talking about how aliens are not real. And he was he was giving a heavy debate with with Joe.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:36

Oh nice. I I I always like to hear that. Like to hear like his um to hear like people like come on his show and give him like I don't I I I know you believe this, I don't believe this. This is my data. Why? I always like hearing that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:50

It's it's healthy, you know. Yeah, it's healthy, but also he was like, Yeah, I just didn't seem he didn't seem like they were real, and he was giving his his his like scientific reasons, his scientific reasons, and yeah, he's like, I I just don't see it that way. Interesting. He goes, Um and Joe was having the real debate, like argument with him. I was like, Oh, this is interesting, because I I don't I mean, as now as for uh for us in our world, we believe that we believe that something's out there in the world. Or some people do see it. I mean, I I still I believe that. I mean, I believe that. I mean, I'm not saying because I've I watched Joe Rogan, yeah, but like just from like studying from other people, I'm like, yeah, there's probably something out there that I don't we don't know of that is watching us, and they're they're coming in in these little beam little fucking ships and they're driving around the fucking sea. And um, and when when you talk about when uh what's that one dude that um uh the ancient aliens guy? Interest alien guy, that guy that that guy that found the fucking compound thing around um the ship. Uh god damn it. I fucking forgot his name.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:00

Area 51 stuff?

SPEAKER_04 2:09:03

He's a well-known dude. He he's been on he's been on Joe's podcast like a bunch of times.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:08

Yeah, but to hear, but that'd be interesting to hear an astro like a pr like one of the best like like astronom like astronomy guys, like like kind of like give his take on that. Yes. That's pretty crazy. That's pretty that's Bob Lazar.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:23

Bob's Bob Bob Bob Lazar. I don't know who that is. Yeah, Bob Lazar is the one that found like this era 51 ship, and he was like in he was in like he worked in the the military he worked in somewhere intelligence military. Yeah, I don't really know the I I'm blanking out the whole freaking story. Interesting. If I listen to it, I'll be if I hear his story, I'll be like, oh yeah, I fucking remember that. Yeah, I can only remember so much. But like, but like I s I heard his story is very fast. It seems it just it's very hard to believe that that like you can't believe that's real. Exactly. You're like, oh shit, that's gotta be fucking real. I believe him. I when you talk when he talks about all those stuff, and if you look for the if you look on his podcast, the first time he went on Joe's, he he starts talking about details of what he saw, what he saw inside of the ship, and how he people react to him, and and then uh all these other details in the story. And you go, like, that guy seems pretty believable, but also he could be fucking crazy. Yeah, he can. He could be really crazy.

SPEAKER_01 2:10:27

I don't know. Yeah, he could, yeah, they like people like that, they could be like, they could believe, they could create like some type of fantasy and and and believe it, and or they could or they could just like like I said, they could like be have maybe lose self-control on some type of like thing they're taking. Yeah, it was like experience, yeah, they could experience something right experience like something like that.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:48

And it could be like like a um yeah, it's like a hallucination or like a yeah, like they could hallucinate exactly is and a psychedelic hallucination that that to their mind in fact Dr.

SPEAKER_01 2:11:00

Neil was talking about this, like like like for someone who's has a psychedelic hallucination, like to them, that's 100% real. Yeah, because they're experiencing it.

SPEAKER_04 2:11:10

Yeah, there was one call, I think there's one about I think it's Barney Hill, about like how he got struck up inside the ship and he was gone for a few days and he came back and he was telling all these stories, and people thought he was a fucking crazy mania. Whoa, yeah, something like a long lafecta like that.

SPEAKER_01 2:11:26

But like I think those things are entertaining to me. I I don't believe obviously I I I don't believe that, but I think I think it is entertaining.

SPEAKER_04 2:11:31

I'm just like, oh, I find I but I do find you know Neil deGrasse Tyson very interesting. Do you have you ever heard him what he said he wanted to put on his tombstone? No, I have this fucking video, it's so fascinating. What do you want to put? Um I'll show you because he I record I screen record it.

SPEAKER_01 2:11:47

I would say no, I think I think Dr. Neil, I think he's he's really interesting to hear, but I always find like the people that are into like the alien conspiracy are very entertaining, even though I don't believe that. Like it's always like, Oh, that's cool. Or like the people that are like trying to find Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:00

Yeah, the people are finding Bigfoot fucking crazy.

SPEAKER_01 2:12:05

I think there's some some of the Bigfoot people think that uh that he's an alien, bro. And I'm like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:11

Yeah, I mean I believe that too, but also at the same time, like, do I do I really find that believable? I'm like, no. I'm like, fuck, go fuck off. Okay, here, here, I found it. Okay, play it. Yeah. I'm gonna uh I'm gonna play it for you. Um I beseech you.

SPEAKER_09 2:12:34

I beseech you to treasure up in your heart. We get to live or ultimately die.

SPEAKER_01 2:13:56

So he wants to put that on his tombstone. Wow, that's a poem.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:01

He wants someone to say that on his tombstone or putting it. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:14:04

That's a lot of I mean, yeah, if it's a big enough tombstone that's on the floor, he can sketch it.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:08

Or if it's like one of those huge ones. Yeah, he wants to put that on his tombstone.

SPEAKER_01 2:14:12

Do you know where he's originally from? Is he from LA?

SPEAKER_04 2:14:14

Or is he from I don't know if he's from there?

SPEAKER_01 2:14:16

Anyways, uh I'm saying because like if let's say he passes away and he goes to like Forest Lawn, that's where like Michael Jackson is. Like they have huge tombstones where they can put anything on there, you know. Uh what was he born?

SPEAKER_04 2:14:29

Born in Manhattan, New York.

SPEAKER_01 2:14:31

Okay, so maybe he's from New York.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:33

Yeah, he's he's from he's written a couple books. Yeah, that guy's crazy. Like Strangery Messenger and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_01 2:14:40

And he's he's really I would say awesome, but he's he's uh very intelligent for what he believes.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:45

Yeah, yeah. He has some weird uh beliefs, like weird uh some weird opinions about like so it's like it's like that like the whole alien thing, but and the the psychedelic stuff, but like it's it's just that's just I don't know if that's like within his expertise, you know. Like uh I mean you can say the same thing with like about aliens with Andrew Hubian, yeah. But like and that's but Andrew Hubian's a neuro neuroscientist, like yeah, that exactly, yeah. So like you can't he's gonna give his own like experience and expertise a little bit on that to a certain extent, but like also he doesn't he doesn't really know. He's like, I don't fucking know. He's like, I just know about the freaking neurobrain, you know. But I mean anyway, that's all I yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:33

I don't know. Sasquatch is real though. Sasquatch is fucking real. So is Do you know who it is?

SPEAKER_04 2:15:38

It's Vi.

SPEAKER_01 2:15:39

It's Vi. Is he supposed to be here, dude? Yeah, you're where's Vi?

SPEAKER_04 2:15:42

No, Vi was supposed to be uh no Vi went to go hang out with an old friend of ours, uh Wiggles. Uh she's she used to be in Haunt uh way back. Who? Uh a girl named Wiggles.

SPEAKER_01 2:15:52

Okay, I think I I miss I missed her by a year or two. I remember her character. She was really she was really great. She's great out there.

SPEAKER_04 2:15:59

Yeah. She was the quilt. She was the skunk.

SPEAKER_01 2:16:03

Uh um, yeah, she was she was she a s was she was she a quilt a skunk first or a quilt?

SPEAKER_04 2:16:09

She was a quilt first. I'm that's how I met her. Oh, okay. That's how embarrassing. She was a quilt for a while. She she like designed, I think she designed the whole thing for herself, but um she she made that whole for herself and she had like the dreadlocks in the back, and then that's how I that's how I knew it. She had like the con the weird contacts. Yeah, it was really, really cool.

SPEAKER_01 2:16:28

Like the I remember her mask was like blemished weirdly.

SPEAKER_04 2:16:30

Yeah, I think it's her mask, or she had a prosthetic. Yeah, I might be wrong, but she had a the but the but her skunk was a mask. Okay, she had like the tail and everything. She would she would go like right from she would put her butt out right front of people's faces. Nice.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:48

That's so funny. That's awesome. Smell this!

SPEAKER_04 2:16:50

Smell this, and she's like um, you want to talk about the World Cup?

SPEAKER_01 2:16:56

Oh, I was just asking you if you if you were like following it. I know it's like kind of it's just like a thing right now. Hey, I do dude. I haven't been following USA is going, dude. Uh USA's been doing it. Aaron Frames team is going far.

SPEAKER_04 2:17:09

He's he's been very patriotic about it. I'm like, dude, I'm like, hey man, I was like, I'm like, it's a good day for you, isn't it? He's like, hell yeah, brother.

SPEAKER_00 2:17:16

Yeah, yeah. Here we are, brother.

SPEAKER_04 2:17:18

Like, on so I can say though, I've been following these these memes lately on on Instagram has been so fucking wild. It's so funny. Have you heard of this guy named Alex uh Holland? Uh I think so. I think he's from Norway.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:36

This guy has like a weird face structure.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:39

Oh, the soccer guy?

SPEAKER_02 2:17:40

The soccer guy with with the with the with the long hair with the long hair. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and he looks like a fucking creature. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He look yeah. Dude, I I thought he looks like an orc.

SPEAKER_04 2:17:50

I've been saying this to Paul lately. Oh my god, it's so fucking funny.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:55

He's playing on Saturday. Is he playing on Saturday? No, he's playing Sunday. Dude, I'm wavers Brazil, dude, one o'clock. I I've been trying to I uh let me let me find I haven't seen any of like memes, but he does make some really interesting faces.

SPEAKER_04 2:18:11

Yeah. Like look at this dude. Like he makes like these little Instagram filters. What the freak, bro? He's like Oh my gosh, what it was. And then people think he's like a creature or something. He thinks there's one point where they people think like he's a woman. He's like asking on Snapchat, he's like, he's he's like, ask me questions, and then one person's like, Are you a woman? Are you a woman? There's this one look at this. He's walking down with no shirt after he's done, and look at his fucking chin. Look at his head. So weird. Why is he walking? He's lunging his head forward and then what the freak?

SPEAKER_01 2:18:46

And then they go back. Oh my gosh, bro, that's so funny.

SPEAKER_04 2:18:49

Yeah, but he's been a fucking meme. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:18:52

Oh, interesting. Oh wow. He's playing, yeah. There's he know is Norway, is he? Yeah, he's Norwegian. Oh, Norwegian. Norway is playing. I'm looking at him. And they're on their Sweet 16 right now. Sweet 16 round. Oh shit. So it's like Mexico's playing England.

SPEAKER_04 2:19:08

Mexico's playing England tonight?

SPEAKER_01 2:19:10

No. Uh tomorrow it starts, I think.

SPEAKER_04 2:19:13

Tomorrow? Mexico's been doing really good.

SPEAKER_01 2:19:16

Here they are. I'll read them to you real quick. Canada's playing Morocco. This is all Sweet 16. Yeah. Uh Paraguay. Paraguay's versus France on Sunday. Brazil, Norway. Uh, Mexico and England. That's on Sunday. Monday, Aaron Frames team, USA versus Belgium. And then Portugal versus Spain. Ooh, that's gonna be good.

SPEAKER_04 2:19:43

I heard Spain, did Spain win recently?

SPEAKER_01 2:19:45

Yeah, Spain, Spain won recently, and then Portugal won recently. Yeah. Ooh, Argentina versus Egypt on Tuesday. Yeah, Argentina's been doing it. Yeah, they're really good. This one's kind of an interesting one. Switzerland versus Colombia. They made their they were really good too.

SPEAKER_04 2:20:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:20:00

And then that that's all of the six that's all of the sweet 16.

unknown 2:20:04

Fuck.

SPEAKER_04 2:20:04

I have to go pee again. Um we'll talk, we'll talk more of that about that. Just one second.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:08

P break, pee break, pee, two, three, that, that, that, that, that, that, da, um, but yeah, World Cup.

SPEAKER_01 2:20:13

I mean, I just it's just interesting. I mean, because I think the US is like gonna do really good this year. Who do you think? Do you have a chance? Do you have a high chance who's gonna win?

SPEAKER_02 2:20:23

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 2:20:23

I I I I obviously it'd be cool if like US kind of goes all the way through, but yeah. Um I think I think Argentina's gonna probably make it all the way through. Did you watch the UFC at the White House?

SPEAKER_03 2:20:38

The what? No, how was it? Oh my god, it was okay. Look. With the flyby? Yes, with the freaking with the with the jets flying through, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:47

Yeah, and the eagle fucking flying through the whole crowd. Oh, oh yeah, it was funny. Wow, that's cool.

SPEAKER_04 2:20:52

Um look, I'm like, I mean, people can have their own opinions about it. Like it's like everyone thinks like this this whole time. It's a waste of money, it's a waste of money and it's like it's all freaking MAGA shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, dude, uh you can put any sport in there and people will fucking watch it. Exactly. Yeah, that's all I think about it. But exactly the freaking event, the the the fights though were so good. Really so good. Uh the best one was probably one of the the top two was Cyril Gone versus Alex Pereira. That was a heavyweight. And Cyril Gone is a fucking just it just shocks me that how much he can move so fast in his 230-pound um weight. Okay. And uh, you know, Alex Pereira came in like 250, and he was like the this this guy was well known. Alex Pereira is like two-time champion. He was supposed to, if he won this heavyweight belt, he was gonna be like literally like the best of all time. And um, and sure enough, freaking Cyril Gone came out of nowhere and and did strike to uppercut, and he Cyril Gone is just so fast. And um, and then then he he won Syril Gunn won, he won the belt, and he became he just was one of the best that night. Um obviously like Alex Perro is like fighting about it, he's arguing with like the ref about it because well he's calling out on the ref about it after the whole event because uh the ref because what the thing happened was is that um there's a he there was a penalty that the ref didn't caught. So if you're striking with your fists like this, if it's like sideways, if you're if you're fisting on the back of your head, it's a penalty. Okay, yeah. Yeah, you you don't you don't do that basically. Could you use your elbow though? You have you can't do a 12-6 elbow. So 12-6 is just faced like this, and you can't do that. Yeah, um, so so they when Cyril Gone did uh had that clean shot, I guess he kept on striking and he kept he hit the back of the head. Oh and uh there's a huge argument for it. Um I don't know what I don't know as far as like my opinion is. I I think Cyril Gahn won when he had that clean shot and knocked out uh Alex Pereira. Um it was it was really weird. I mean it was weird how that like he didn't get called out for it, but then again, I I don't know. Maybe it's just it's sometimes like these when these fights happen and these uncalled for uh penalties have happen that interesting that ref don't don't see, you know, then that's becomes a huge dicey situation, and then I'm like, well, then what you do about it, they don't really do much, they just kind of just let it let it be. Yeah, I didn't see that. No, I guess I have to look at it. It's a really it was a really good fight. It was then the one with uh Alex, I mean sorry, Justin Gagey and Ilya Dapora, that was really good. The everyone put all in favor for Ilya Dapora because Ilya Dapora is like just a a savant as fighting. I mean, he beat Max Holloway, um, a bunch of other fighters. Uh he he beat just some top well-known fighters. Um he and he won the belt twice. I mean, he he's won two different belts. Um and he went and then they put the odds on freaking Justin Gacy, but Justin Gagey is very durable, and he, I mean, I don't know how that guy after the fight did not get any cuts or bruises or anything. He did not bleed once. Um, and they went all four rounds, and but the first but when Justin freaking struck the first punch, like after that first round, it was God freaking Ilya Dapora looked hurt, he looked beat, like he was cut up and everything. I was like, holy shit, this is different. That's that's where like, oh, this is gonna be very interesting. And then the second round, I think Iliadapora got um almost had him. He was like, he almost had him on on the ground. Um, but like Justin Gachy, man, kept on like durable as he is and so good, he kept on fighting. And he's an American fighter. Oh wow, and he won that belt. Um US soil, huh? Oh, that's that's an experience. It was a crazy moment.

SPEAKER_01 2:25:12

I know they're interviewing some of the guys, and they're just like, Would you ever do it again? Like, no, it's too it's it's way too much money to do. Oh yeah, that I think that's just a one-time thing.

SPEAKER_04 2:25:21

It's it just had to be very historical. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 2:25:24

I mean, once it's at the White House, I mean you gotta I think it's nice at just one time thing, right?

SPEAKER_04 2:25:29

Right. That's why I think about it too. It's like a one-time thing, and you gotta have it, you gotta have fun with it. I mean, that's about I hate when it was just got too political and people started to say, like, well, it's all freaking bunch of MAGA people. Yeah, and it's like, no, it's just people that enjoyed the sport. Yeah, enjoyed the sport. I'm like, how about you just enjoy it for the sport? That's what I did. I came in for uh just to watch the sport. Exactly. And I and then there was been knockouts in every freaking round. Sean O'Malley freaking uh knocked out a dude, I forgot his name, but like he knocked out he he knocked out a dude in the second round. After he knocked him out, he did a salute and fucking walked off. There we go. But that guy is another fighter that like is coming up too, and he's he was he had a bad couple fights in and then the previous uh years, and he he he did he came back, he did really well. So um it's just like moments like that. I'm like, fuck, dude. It's like it's awesome. It's great, it's great to see, but like um, yeah, there's there's like moments like that. I like I I love I was gonna ask you, um, how how was um you know, I don't think we talked about it much uh from last time. I might I'm not sure, but how was visiting as a guest uh at Haunt?

SPEAKER_01 2:26:41

This last time, it was uh it was cool. I really liked it. Like going as a guest, it's like, oh, it's really, really nice just to be on the other side. Um I think seeing everyone um like it was really nice and kind of them saying, Oh hey, and I'm like, oh cool. Like of course there's a lot of characters I didn't know, or some that some that were new, but it was interesting, like uh Ghost Town was giving out their um was giving out their uh monster of the year award, but they did it out in Kmart Alley because uh it um it was given to Angel. Yes past yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:21

I saw that um really good, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:27:22

Which is that guy's very underrated, really good, very fucking agile.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:27

He's fucking just so fast, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:27:29

He's so and he's aggressive too, which is awesome. Yeah, but I think um it was in Kmart, and uh the reason why it was in Kmart because he clocks in later and said they wanted to give it to him then. And so when I was actually in Kmart, or I was walking to Kmart at the time, and uh I think it was um Sakai was saying, Oh, we're gonna give out an award right now. I'm like, oh okay, so like it was cool. Is it myself and uh Abby was with me, and we were kind of like in like the circle of like monsters, it was really cool. And I was standing right next to Jesse. I'm like, hey man, he's like, hey, you know, they're like talking, and I'm like, hey man. I was like, hey, and I was and I told Jesse him like I'm gonna touch your chest. I'm like, it's cool. He was really cool. Yeah, his was really awesome.

SPEAKER_04 2:28:17

He I I did not expect him to change his character to be a good one. I know, yeah. I was like, holy shit, dude. Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah, he made all that for himself and made the mask and everything, and then the smoke came out of his chest too. I was like, whoa.

SPEAKER_01 2:28:33

I think I don't know if he said it was tied to like uh this grandpa's story, but he just said like there were elements of different characters that he used, and he told me he's like, Yeah, like there's an element of grandpa that's cool in there. I'm like, cool. That's awesome. So I was just like, dude, like the the that ghostwriter is like um he's grandpa's nephew.

SPEAKER_05 2:28:55

That's awesome. That makes sense, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:28:57

Just so cool how he like evolved that character to becoming like this rat character to now to becoming this ghostwriter. I'm like, that's so interesting. Yeah, so I I love moments like that where like you you evolve something that just becomes much more bigger than it was before.

SPEAKER_01 2:29:13

And most of the stuff he has other than his chess are pretty like they're they're they're they're pretty simple. Like the thing that it's there's nothing that he has that's impossible to make or to do, but he just but he just did it so freaking well.

SPEAKER_04 2:29:29

Yeah, he works at a mask company. I mean exactly all he his his sources are just so easy for him to get. Yeah, he can make all that stuff. I mean he makes he makes max for mask for everybody for exactly for every I mean for most ghost down people. Yeah, and uh and also for like I think they do a lot of masks for like uh other haunt events too, and for like yeah, I think he did one for um I think he did one for Decay Brigade, and I think he did one for a couple other people in um that were doing I think for midsummer. I might I'm not quite quite sure. Yeah, I would love to get him on one day.

SPEAKER_01 2:30:04

I I would try to you just have to turn his volume up really high because he doesn't speak that loud. I heard he's like, he's very, really quiet. Yeah, like I had to do that with um but he's loud as heck out there, dude.

SPEAKER_04 2:30:15

He's loud as hell.

SPEAKER_02 2:30:16

I'm like, dude, this guy's loud, he's freaking quick. Yeah, fucking like I said, he's very fast. Exactly. God, he can move. And he's loud. I love he's like, where are you going there?

SPEAKER_04 2:30:26

He's the first guy that um that gave me these like these diff these alternative flat plates, these plates he uses flat uh plates for for sliding.

SPEAKER_01 2:30:36

Yeah, I used I used flat plates to his are a little bit different than mine, but he used like the squares, right?

SPEAKER_04 2:30:42

Yes, they're the squares, they're just the squares without the hole in the middle. So you see like these flat squares with these little screw holes on the s on the corners. Yeah. He one time when he was like when I probably 20, I think he was first year in Ghost Town, he was like, Yeah, um, I have these um plates, uh, because I I my my plates were just like running out, and they're they're like the generic ones you get that Home Depot were fucking just full of shit. They were just bad. They weren't they weren't they weren't cooperating with my gloves. And I was like, dude, these are not happening. I was like, and uh he I mean him being working at Gebrigate and you know being a slider year-round. I was like, you know anything like this? And he's like, I actually have plates if you want them. I I they're pretty clean. I don't I never used to give it to me. I've been using those I used those ever since. They're still on my gloves. That's cool. Yeah, they're they're very well used. And the cool thing about those are thinner, they're thinner, but they're they're very they're very loud.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:42

Yeah, they're louder than the other uh the other original ones I had been using.

SPEAKER_04 2:31:47

Those ones slap when he slap those, those make a fucking yank sound. Jeez, a yank fucking sound. But I think he uses different ones now. I think he was using these block ones. Okay. I want to say, I I I'm not quite sure. I mean, I have to look at his videos.

SPEAKER_01 2:32:03

He needs to get on here, he needs to get on here. Go ahead, go to bed. But yeah, but he um um he helped me design like my grandpa character. That's cool. He was a big mask and he and he he helped me with the costume and all that, you know. But it was like I think it was so cool just going as a guest and experiencing it, and um it was nice not being tired and not being exhausted, and uh, and and it it is different because I know how exhausting and tired it is, you know. So you can kind of just feel it just watching them, right? Yeah, I you kind of just like know, like, oh yeah, that that monster like has like a blister on their foot, or like this monster, like the way they're sliding, like they like have their hamstrings really, really tight. Like you could like I could you could tell. I mean, I could tell. Um, because I was I was there, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:32:51

But but no one else can I mean you can't really yeah, from the time that you've been around, I mean it was only been five years, yeah. Five, six years, five, six years. So you you kind of already know the f the the the outcome of what it's gonna be like every night at least as far as like getting blisters and getting sores on your thighs, and but I I I mean a lot of people ask like, do you miss it?

SPEAKER_01 2:33:12

And I'm like, of course I I miss it, um, but I think my life is just kind of like is in a new like season and chapter right now, and I'm just thankful that I've like experienced that, you know, and all the people that I've met. Um I've just uh but the thing that I don't miss is just like the exhaustion of of of like getting off of knots, coming home, getting like four hours of sleep, and then going and teaching. Like that's crazy. Especially in your film. Yeah, yeah. That's kind of fun. I think I think there there are other fields where like if you're at a warehouse, like you you know, you could kind of go like you can kind of figure out like yeah, figure out your weights. You could like, yeah, you can go on there's certain jobs where you can like go on autopilot, you know, and you're not around kids, you're not. having to like really make sure that they're learning. Yeah, you're not giving their attention towards exactly but but but there's but that was hard. That was really hard. That's something that I don't miss.

SPEAKER_04 2:34:10

Right. Yeah. Um I feel the same.

SPEAKER_01 2:34:12

If I ever become a lead I'd have to like really really try to problem solve like how time would work and and what what that would look like. You know I know they have different I don't know if they have different like lead shifts. I know they were I know they had them the past couple years of like early clock and lead shifts like late clock and lead shifts so they wanted to I think because there's so many leads that are getting sick and tired that I think they wanted to help share the load. And so knowing that I'm like oh like I I could like be a lead and teach because if I have you know if I'm getting off at a decent time like it'll work. But eventually you want something like that to yeah but but but obviously like down the road I need to see like what what that would look like.

SPEAKER_04 2:34:53

Yeah you want that to take time.

SPEAKER_01 2:34:55

Yeah exactly and and plan it out really really well because if I'm gonna do it I'm going all 100% all in. Yeah you know as as someone should do with everything. You should always do do the do the best of your ability that you can do you know I think that's so um I think that's how Aaron did it.

SPEAKER_04 2:35:11

Aaron took time it took a year off to decide and then yeah he went into 2018 he did paranormal he did fucking great yeah and I think that guy needs to come back and yeah he needs to take over ghost town that's all you need yeah or at least or at least uh at least he needs to like lead like uh buffet people he's like you can do whatever you want just don't eat the food yeah yeah exactly oh he'd gain so much weight bro oh my god he would get I mean he the the strategies the the frickin' uh the way he he works his strategies his gameplay I just I don't know if he I don't know if they all freaking sometimes some of the they allow it they're like Aaron you can't fucking do that anymore I know exactly I mean we're it's six flags now yeah it's like Aaron you can't he's like Aaron you can't give the monsters steroids anymore yeah like you can't you can't do this VIP maze at the at the end of the freaking last day of haunt come on she wants to do VAPs and freaking C DR yeah C D he goes like I want to do a C D R it's gonna be the chicken dinner infection right under ghost town dude right around a ghostwriter right and there that's so funny. Yeah yeah I like I mean moments like that I really think of because I I mean I I got I I I got three more seasons left yeah and I'm I'm really thinking about like what would it be like for me like what what would the be the the reality of uh of like returning returning and how how would I how would I um end or where would you what what zone would you want to end it in right? Yeah like that's also something to think about too well what this changes right now with this change this a change of gameplay that I've thought that I would love to do but it you know things change. Exactly um I'm thinking like I don't I don't know like right now it's like it's it's still kind of I'm still having thoughts process thoughts processing in my head and I'm thinking about like what I can do and where should I end? I'm not sure I but I I want to end it somewhere that's gonna be a very memorable ending for me. Yeah and I I want it to like I just want to like and end like a good hoorah for me. And I I I don't want to end it with like a disappointment where like man fuck I should have done it for uh one more season or let me go back and like I I don't want to think about that way. I want to think about like as like alright if this is what you gotta do this is the last this is the zone you're gonna work at if you work whether it's carnival ghost town whatever um and if you end it that way that's how you're gonna end it. And no way of fans butts yeah I I I just don't want to like add another year where I don't need to like I I feel like this is your game plan and don't fucking don't make don't start changing it. Oh yeah because I just I I mean a lot of people have done that in their past where they used to like I give myself one more year and then they're like another year sounds nice and I'm like yeah I mean there's some people like that this year that are coming in I'm like well I I welcome back. I'm like when I saw them I'm like whoa I'm like well welcome back when I thought you were gonna be done yeah it's very interesting but then again like I don't I'd have to ask you those who those names are after we're done you know exactly okay um but like I'm not it's not it's not me being against them. No it's just like oh it's just like it's surprising I'm like oh you came back another year. I'm like I wonder what I'm like I wonder why but I mean whatever the thing is I mean they want to they miss it they want to try another year they want they don't think they they didn't have a better run than that that last year they had and um that's understandable and look and if that that thing happens to me I I have to be I have to forgive myself and say like okay I'll give it another year and then just go for like just do that and then that'll be your last year. I mean will that thing happen I'm not sure I don't know I don't know what the next two or three years are going to be like yeah when my 15th year happens I just want to I just want to give it my last all and end it right there.

SPEAKER_01 2:39:26

Before you become a lead for free and become a lead that'd be awesome.

SPEAKER_04 2:39:29

Maybe a lead for sure you and Aaron frame being a lead dude if we became a lead I think you mean Aaron Frame me do all three of us you mean Aaron Frame and and Wyatt coming involved dude if we all came forward together if we And we did a maze no I'm talking about we all like if we all came together and we're like like dude let's go find an office and we fucking get a lay a layout of fucking paper and we start strategizing like it's fucking sports. We're like dude this person over here good needs to work on a couple things like we need to work on this person. You just like do like make it like a fucking sport like a game player exactly yeah like oh my god we're fucking me and Aaron will fucking go ballistic me and him will go fucking ballistic over that that'd be fun yeah we would I would I would do that I'm like I would totally do that with you guys it'd be so bomb it'd be so fun you gotta do the draft with this too I know oh I yeah that one time you messaged me it was just I I couldn't make it over but so down yeah we we've we're working on it I think we're trying to work on getting Gary a spaz involved awesome yeah because I feel like he he either is gonna do the the draft or he's gonna do the the trivia okay which I feel like he will fucking outrun us yeah yeah as far as like the trivia yeah if you're gonna like him like like Ed Cobb versus versus Spaz on trivia oh that'd be crazy that'd be crazy yeah I mean me and him I would make a fucking short freaking podcast out of that exactly him just all them together yeah dude you guys should do a trivia night like I think everyone's talking about like you could you do it I mean you know I mean as I mean you you don't I mean as far as like you've only been there for a little bit pay to play you know pay to play whoever wins I mean that's that's I'm surprised I fucking won in that freaking trivia yeah I and I barely remembered a few things and I mean I mean I I was surprised I remembered when it opened I was like holy shit do you remember my idea of a of you of a draft uh I think it was uh oh uh haunt haunt box items oh like which is really different because we're making up that we're making up sliding um slider slider was like another one um we were gonna do women's uh monsters okay as well yeah uh didn't you guys do that already oh no no no you guys did it where you had to pick one woman one in your in your in our draft in your in your lineup yeah yeah in our lineup we picked up that okay but we're gonna do like a separate one of that um nice but we're working on that that'd be really cool it'd be fun it'd be really fun you gotta let me know yes I'll let you know when that comes I'll try to do my best to get down here um well um we'll end it here dude um dude thank you so much for coming on happy happy fucking 4th of July happy happy 4th of july happy happy birthday erin happy birthday aaron fucking hallelujah freaking merry christmas to you dog i freaking happy birthday i love it so i hope you're waving that goddamn flag in fucking Montana somewhere or around here I don't give a fuck yeah whatever you do just and and that just don't pull out your wing dude yeah that USA speeder you got hide it man hide it dude he's dude he goes fucking all out he's crazy he wears the the American uh hat oh my god that he wears a hat a cowboy hat that's a Amer uh tall United States of uh color god he wears like American uh um freaking shorts like like board shorts board shorts he goes fucking all out just and he just is like happy as a fucking he's fucking happy as a shit oh yeah dude it's just yeah he's like he won the lotto yeah he won the lotto he's just having fun he loves all that shit dude I love it dude that's so funny yeah um dude thank you for so much for I'm excited to come to your wedding too you're gonna come I'm I'm gonna be there it's so fun dude I'm sorry because you're gonna come yeah I'm hoping that it's gonna be a I'm I'm I know it's gonna be memorable but yeah yeah it's gonna be it's a lot of fun though it's gonna be very very charitable yeah so all right well thank you guys happy independence day I know this will come out a week after but um be nice to each other and be kind and um eat healthy okay be healthy eat your vitamins and uh rest up and take steroids take steroids bye bye Merca Merka