155. Earth’s Intelligent Design with Graham Skidmore

At some point, doing “all the right things” stops working.

And yet, certain lessons keep repeating, not because you’re failing, but because something deeper is asking to be embodied.

What if your challenges are not signs that something is wrong, but evidence that something is unfolding exactly as it should?

In this conversation on Together We Seek, JJ explores Earth’s intelligent design with Graham Skidmore, and why life begins to make sense when we stop seeing adversity as punishment and start reading it as information.

• What Earth’s intelligent design actually means and why it matters now
• The difference between being a conscious being and being a being of consciousness
• Why lessons repeat until they are fully embodied

Bio - Graham Skidmore is a former Rocket Mortgage executive turned visionary entrepreneur who builds systems that honor the soul, foster sovereignty, and integrate ethical AI to create space for what is emerging.

After two decades helping design and scale one of corporate America’s most influential operational engines, Graham stepped away from conventional success when burnout revealed itself as a deeper spiritual initiation. That turning point redirected his life toward restoring power to the individual through tools, education, and lived wisdom.

Having navigated neurotypical masking, neurodivergent wiring, trauma, anxiety, and the awakening of spiritual gifts, Graham understands consciousness as something that inhabits the human form with purpose. His work centers on helping people interpret life as information rather than punishment, guiding them through cycles of growth, restoration, and reclamation.

Through for-profit ventures, nonprofit initiatives, and educational platforms, Graham supports individuals who are ready to live in alignment with Earth’s intelligent design and reclaim their personal sovereignty.

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Conscious Systems and Sacred Design Manifesto: https://sathtechnology.com/the-manifesto/ 

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Medium: https://medium.com/@grahamskidmore 

Science of you Podcast: https://scienceofyoupodcast.com/ 

JJ DiGeronimo is an award-winning author, speaker, and intuitive guide dedicated to helping people trust their inner wisdom and align with their gifts. As the host of the Together WE Seek Podcast, JJ creates sacred spaces to explore light, energy practices, and ancient wisdom with healers, mystics, and spiritual leaders. Through her authentic conversations, she empowers listeners to remember their intuition, embrace their unique gifts, and elevate their frequency for a more enjoyable journey.

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Transcript

Earth’s Intelligent Design with Graham Skidmore

Hello. Hello. JJ Digironomo here. You have visited us once again on Together We Seek. And as you know, all of us are seeking in different ways.

And especially if you found us here, I'm assuming that your frequency is jiving with our frequency. And I'm super excited to have Graham Skidmore here today. Hi, Graham. How are you? I'm doing very well.

I'm very excited to be here. Thank you for having me. Oh, me too. And I love your story. I love the fact that you were in the executive ranks in corporate for so long, and, you know, you kinda hit a point across Rosebery, like, this is not working for me.

And, you have done a lot since you have sort of left that corporate desk. And one of the things you talk a lot about is Earth's intelligent design. So tell us a little bit about what that means to you and why that called you. Yeah. So, you know, like, Earth's going through a transition, and there's a variety of people that have that have all got their different roles and responsibilities and their contributions, you know, guiding us through this.

And so,

explaining Earth's intelligent design is one of is one of mine. And so when I say intelligent design, at a high level, I simply mean that everything is…purposeful and intentional with and created to produce an outcome. Right? And so, therefore, there is the divine intelligent design, and then you have man made intelligent designs. Right?

A school system is an intelligent design. Right? It's purposeful and it's intentional with the designed outcome. My driver's ed, driver's education, right, is another thing. And so the reason I talk about the intelligent design a lot is because…there's a lot of challenges arise from the conflicts that occur between the divine intelligent design and the man made intelligent designs.

Right? And and then a lot of people, especially in the, you know, the spiritual pastor, like, okay. Well, hey. I appreciate that, I'm here to learn and earth is a school and all, but I got this thing called rent. I gotta pay for groceries.

And so how do I how does all this stuff merge and work together and,

figure how to navigate that is, a real struggle. And so being able to apply and share the logic and the purpose so that people can figure out for themselves, hey. How do I best navigate this for me, my life, my life goals, my learning, etcetera? You know, know, kinda like helping, somebody to fish versus giving them a fish. Right?

so that's always really important to me too is to provide the wise and educate…

That's super interesting. And I feel like, you know, many of us have done some of the healing. There's always more healing to do. But in digging deep, following the whispers, I mean, we're still actively conscious in this human experience with people that may not have done the healing or, you know, may not necessarily be on a similar path.

And you talk a lot about the difference between being, like, a conscious being and and being of consciousness. And I'm like, tell me more. Like, what does that mean? Oh, you're picking up on some good stuff. I appreciate this.

So yeah. So to your point about the challenges, you're right. Think about, like, Earth right now. If you were thinking about school, right now, we have all of the first graders go to school together and then even have first through sixth in some cases lumped together, seventh and eighth, high school, college. But here on Earth, you got first grade through through college all all in the same classroom.

And so that does create a lot of different challenges. And so when we think about, you know, what we're here to learn, how we are to be, there's one of…

the differences when it comes to consciousness is when does consciousness hit.…does consciousness hit after we're born? And that's when we start to become our being. And it's just a matter of, hey.

Who got lucky in the DNA lottery that determines what we got? Or is it that we were conscious beings…

ahead of time, and then we decided and then we created our own living and learning adventure, chose our parents, chose, you know, what parents would provide us, what opportunities for learning, etcetera. And then we, you know, put on what I call we put on our human suit to go have a physical experience and to learn. And when you're a conscious being, that means that you're learning what your intelligence, your wisdom, your gifts, your abilities start after you're born. As a being of consciousness, well, that means you have a total self, a higher self, a a soul, a conscious, however somebody relates to that.

That is accumulation of the learnings that have occurred through all of your various lifetimes. And so if you want to think about you know, once we go through some of our learnings, right, the ability for all of us to tap back into our total selves, to tap into that greater set of knowledge is a huge distinguishing factor between, you know, being a conscious being and a being of consciousness. And especially if you thought

are we meant to be beholden to hierarchical structures or or are we meant to have personal empowerment? Well…hierarchical structures definitely lead, you know, are much more supportive of the conscious being, which, once I I'm born, now I need structure provided to me versus a being of consciousness and being able to tap into my personal empowerment through my various gifts, wisdom, and abilities, which works counter to some of the hierarchical structures. And so, that's also an example of some of those rubs between the divine intelligent design and the man made intelligent design. Okay.

I like this. Okay. So I love the idea that you may think this started way before you were born and you being born is part of your, highest divine awakening and development. And others might think when you are born, that's when your consciousness begins. And so I love that differentiator because I'm working on my next book, and it's really about the six phases of personal awakening

And that there's so many of our gifts and wisdom that we haven't tapped into, and it's really through doing this and having these conversations weekly. I have seen through the stories that people are telling me, how they move through very specific phases to essentially eliminate their gifts

I am a big believer of being of consciousness and that this human experience is helping us learn, evaluate, enhance, but also remember and connect to the wisdom we came in with even though we're not it's not readily available to us out of the gate. Yeah. I think that's an important point.

Right? Is that it's it may not…

we all we are all here to and to your point, you've gotta get this the, you call the six phases of awakening. the way one of the things that I've packaged is the the cycle of growth, restoration, and reclamation, right, which is this focus on personal growth, the

restoration

of the genuine and authentic self, and then the reclamation with the connection to the higher self, right, to be able to tap into that while here.…we're all on different paths, and how we package it isn't nearly as important as understanding that we're all on a journey and that the faster that we can figure out what resonates with us, the more enjoyable that journey becomes. And when we start to embrace the fact that we're on that learning journey…and we created this learning game for ourselves I know many times life doesn't feel like much of a game. But but, then the faster we can start to recognize when things are happening for us and not to us. And life is already challenging enough, and as fast as we can start to recognize, okay, these events are catalyst to help me grow, to help me to shed the false truths about myself that I've accepted, my masks, etcetera, to help me reconnect with that total self, to help me reconnect with those gifts and those abilities, and to continue to grow my consciousness.

and that's when you start recognizing how the world's talking to you, that's really when when life becomes much more fun and interesting, you know, missed. That's a beautiful thing, and I think it's a good reminder to many of us,, like, not to take anything too seriously,

and asking yourself, why do I think this is happening? What am I supposed to learn from this? You know, why is this happening to me right now? Or what is the opportunity here? And I think if you really have to train yourself to think that way.

Because if you are an avid watcher of…what is given to us on a platter, whether it's,, shorts or TV or radio. You know, they're constantly trying to…make us feel as a victim to our circumstances. And so I think if you don't cross paths with people like yourself, sometimes you feel like, oh my gosh. Like, what is going on…

Yeah. And I'll do a plug on one of the on an aspect of the intelligent design to help people provide them a lens to make sense of some of the circumstances that they may find themselves in. Right? And so…when it comes to Earth and what people are here to learn, through Earth, it's maintaining love through adversity.

Meaning so we're also meant to have power, personal empowerment, but we don't give somebody, a car without having to go through driver's training. Right? Because as much as that can be a vehicle for empowerment…to to have freedom, it can also cause harm to other people if not used properly. Right? And so the same thing with spiritual gifts.

And so, therefore, you need to have an environment to, you know, train, make make mistakes, so to speak, and go through that learning experience. And Earth's learning experience then is part of of how to maintain love through adversity…

is understanding divine love to have the courage to do what is right while gaining the wisdom to wield power and the highest good of others or the highest good of all through stewardship. And so in many cases, a lot of these the things that we go through are to help us really understand divine love. And a lot of the aspect of divine love is loving ourselves…

Right? And so when we think about what would be the value of this trauma or this tragedy that I went through, Graham? Loving yourself, recognizing that you're worthy of love, while you may have gone through and experienced certain things that, you know, in some cases, these are events that people signed up for because they wanted to, challenge themselves to to gain a deeper understanding of love or they wanted to understand that love because I'm through stewardship. So it's I'm going to experience this so that I can have firsthand knowledge…to help others through their, you know, healing and learning journeys as well. So there's a variety of reasons.

Right? It's never it's not just a one size fits all thing, but…

understanding divine love of self and of others is one of the most…common goals that pretty much everybody's sharing. And so that would be the first place that I would ask anybody to start with is, yeah, they say, how can I love myself after this or after that? Now you're getting it. That's right. And so now you need to focus on all of the reasons why you're worthy of love, all of the things that that are wonderful about you, all of your strengths, all of the ability and the power to overcome adversity and challenges and not let circumstances define you.

And just by being you worthy of love…

I feel so good, Graham. And I appreciate that because even though I've been on this journey similar to you, I started really diving in in sixteen. I feel like I'm still…

working on that. I think self love is a really hard thing to keep a hold of. I see glimpses of it. I have different situations where I really feel it, but I would say I'm still working to, like, have it be my every moment state…

I think I think that's the biggest struggle that…

I think it's one of the biggest struggles that that that's facing the planet, and then the other part of it is that leads to fear. Right? When we don't love ourselves and we're not confident that…

we're actually going through everything through love, for love, to understand love and being loved by source, creator, universe, god, whatever somebody, relates to, well, then that leads to a a fear based perspective and nothing good comes from a fear based perspective. Right? It holds us back. It inhibits us. it causes us to doubt ourselves, to doubt our circumstances, to your point about being victimized.

Right? It makes us believe that we're a victim of our circumstances and and that all these things are happening to us versus happening for us as catalysts. And, you know, we have a planet full of people that are I'm overgeneralizing there. I mean, right, that are, hostages to their emotions. Right?

And that's, the next level is is being able to and you were talking about this with a guest, you one of your

more recent episodes. Right? Which is how

it's very common because of the either a fear base or the lack of love for self to do not wanna sit in our emotions. Right? But when those emotions, though, is where the gold is. If those emotions are is where the information lies. It's where the opportunity exists

but it's it's not as simple. But maybe simple to understand, not easy to embody…

Yeah. I struggle with it still. you know, I've been reading stuff for decades. But I feel like, you know, things happen moment by moment and different relationships bring out different aspects of you. And to really get into a space where you are content…and you feel whole and you love yourself regardless of what's happening outside of you is challenging.

It's challenging. I'm going through another level of it right now, and I feel like, oh my gosh. When am I ever going to master this? I don't know. But I feel like, you know, I keep creating that list and reading through it over and over, I think, will definitely help.

Starting the day and ending the day with the list of all the things you love about yourself, all the things you're proud of. You know, even if you read ten of them at a time, I think we have to create strategies, that help us realize that the outside is a mirror, which I know so well, but that doesn't mean that it's easy to reflect in times when there's high emotion…

Oh, I I couldn't agree more, especially when, you know, you talk about TV and what's told to us. There's at least here in western culture, if something goes wrong, the belief is you made a mistake. You should have avoided it. Right? Which is a totally counterintuitive to everything I just talked about.

Right? And so this is where that again, those conflicts between the divine intelligent design and the man made intelligent design and how that causes, you know, turmoil and chaos and unnecessary, you know, trauma and pain to ourselves. Right? And so the first step is sort of being able to recognize that…the definition of success is not…avoiding…any sort of adversity. Right?

The definition of success is confidently knowing that you can…handle adversity, not just handle adversity, but thrive through adversity that you're gonna come out better on the other side. Right? And that's where, the only way to the only way to get to that spot is through reps. And the only way to have reps is is to have experiences that didn't go as planned…

And you're saying reps, like repetition, where you're going Yes. Repetition is right. So you're saying, like, keep going through it until one day. Like, I feel like I've been going through something, I mean, for a while now. And I feel like just recently, like, in the last couple weeks, I'm like, okay.

I'm done with this lesson. Like, I feel like I just put a delineation. Like, this lesson is done for me. I do not want to emotionally experience that anymore. I don't need to do that.

I'm done. So we'll see. We'll see. I don't know. That was, like, my definitive answer, and now I'm gonna see if I can actually hold to that.

Yeah. Well and and that's another important part is that, you know, in within the intelligent design, there's three phases of learning for you within each area within each topic. And the first one is understanding the knowledge. Right? What am I supposed to learn?

Why is this important to me? Then the second aspect of that or the second tier of that is establishing a working knowledge of that for yourself. And then the third phase is the embodiment of that. And so that's where some of when you talk about, okay. I learned this lesson.

Why do these things keep happening to me? Well, alright. Well, you needed to be introduced to,

loving ourselves. Right? The concept of why I need to love myself. Okay. I can wrap my mind on that knowledge.

I need to love myself. But what does that really mean? Okay. Well, now I'm gonna work establish my working knowledge…and how do I love myself, why I love myself, and that can then be the, you know, the list of the, you know, ten things that you could start in the morning and the nighttime, and you're working through it. And you're like, okay.

I'm getting there. Yeah. And then it be then it becomes more natural, and that's when that's the embodiment of it. And then once you cross over that embodiment, you'll notice that the catalyst that were happening to you that would cause you to challenge and question love for yourself now start to disappear because you've now embodied that and you're ready to move on. And that learning, as you've experienced many times, is that learning is much like peeling away layers of an onion.

And we're given…

the layer of onion that we're able to handle, not not beforehand. Right? And so, yeah, it's kind of a never ending learning journey. Well, that's great, Graham. And I feel like the messages come to me when I'm ready for them.

And, like, this is why you're with me this week because I realized that I'm ready for embodiment, and only I can decide when I'm ready for that onion, not my circumstances. And I think knowing that working knowledge, so acknowledging it, then having working knowledge of it, then embodying it, is a process. And for me, it is taking me a long time. For this one particular situation. I feel like other ones I glide through, I've learned, I figured out.

And so I don't know if anyone listening out there is like, oh, me too. I I have to embody my knowledge in a way that allows me to move through a situation that keeps repeating itself. So tell us, you know, tell us the work you're doing with people because I love the fact that you have,, put up your hat for your corporate life. You've moved fully into the spiritual space, which is amazing. I'd love to see your birth chart and where your Chiron is and,

where your North Node and how this has manifested for you. And the fact that we're just a state away is so exciting. But tell us about the work you're doing and, like, how people find you. Your links are below, but, like, what what type of people are coming your way, and what are you helping them with? Yeah.

You know, for the most part, I've been solitary going through my own healing and experiences to be able to, you know, help others. And I'm just now starting to get out talking about these things. So, like, so I very much appreciate you having me, sharing dollars regarding intelligent design and otherwise. So to your point about the the synchronicity in timing, the blend that goes both ways.

so I've kinda got two parts. I've now I'm merging my spirituality and my business, aspects.

like I've mentioned, stewardship, right, is is the means. And so it's one thing to talk about the intelligent design, but is in order for Earth to have a prominent placement, we need…tools, education, and systems that support that way of being. so that's very much where I'm focused on. So there is a for profit entity, which is called Harmony Health, which is, focused on your traditional health care, and healing modalities, but it's focused on helping the individual…become the individual. And we plug into all kinds of healing modalities, coaches, traditional, nontraditional, and our focus is, helping the person understand which modality is right for them and…how to heal, through various means.

And then I'm providing all the education and tools, which is in my SaaS solutions, and that is about, creating that human centric focus, right, with AI and all of the tools, which are about empowering the human to be the best human as an individual, not not as a not to conform inside of a box. And then Engen is the nonprofit, which is, consists of we're starting in health and wellness, and then we're gonna be in training and education…

then employment and income opportunities and social justices and

personal passions. And that is, creating a community for people that want to…kinda go all in and live within the intelligent design and just need a supportive space and a supportive community to help them go through this. So that's how I'm merging the spirituality in the business, to create systems to, you know, create change

by showing that there's a better way. Right? I think we can all look around and agree that this can't be as good as it gets. But if we really want people to believe that things can be better, I don't need to yell and scream on a street corner. It's much more powerful for me to demonstrate it and show it.

And so that's what my friend is. That's so beautiful. And our my friend, Corby, mentions, you know, you can only teach and guide people through things you've been through. So the fact that you've been doing the work and now you're creating the infrastructure for others to move through the work is so powerful. And I think you'll find a lot of people on this show that, have all different disciplines, and most of them, have gone through their own situations, experiences, crossroads that have allowed them to emerge into the gifts that they now help others with.

that's so critical. I mean, there's a very big difference we've got you know, the world's full of people with theory.

We need people that are embodying what exists out there. Yes. Yes. Well So, yeah, you bringing those people out of the woodwork and helping them to share their stories is so important. Well, they're all the people that have helped me in my book seeking.

I mean, I was seeking. I was, you know, done with the corporate life like you. I'd worked in tech for two decades, and I just got to a point where I was like, this can't be all there is. There has to be more. And then, of course, things, you know, started to crumble around me in different places, forcing me to go within.

And I worked with over a hundred energy practitioners really just figuring out who I was, where my energy was sitting, and how I could work to, take out what was no longer serving me to create space for more light and love. And this podcast emerged from that of really sharing the people that have helped me with other people in the world because I want people to have comfort in seeing that they're just like us. They're people that are paying their rent and worrying about their kids and, you know, had a job, and then we were afraid to jump over and do this, you know, something for full time. And I feel like a lot of us have the same story, and it's more common than not. But it's just once you have to find it.

You have to find it. And once you find it, you can't unsee it. Yeah. and it's common. Unfortunately, it's just not talked about in the mainstream…

Not yet. Which makes people feel like it's it's uncommon. That's right. I love that. That's right.

That's right. Not yet. Not yet. Aquarius, Pluto's going to Aquarius, so let's see what happens. It's actually Oh, yeah.

It's you're right. I agree with you. It's coming. They're they're they're it's it's unavoidable. It's unavoidable.

Well, Graham, I look forward to staying in touch. I look forward to seeing this evolve for you, and I look forward to meeting you in person because we're so close, in proximity. And I hope one day our, past bring us together in person. Absolutely. That'd be wonderful.

Yes. Thank you all for calling. Having me. Yes. Thank everyone for listening.

I hope you have a wonderful week and a great start to twenty twenty six. See you soon. Take care