Episode 37

Gilbert talks about the different adaptations of Dr. Seuss's How The Grinch Stole Christmas and it's 25th anniversary of the 2000 film. 

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Alright, and uh welcome to the podcast today's episode. Before I decided to do this episode, I would say like a legit moment before I decided to do this uh episode. Um I'm as in moments, like I was setting everything up. I was gonna come up with a different theme. I was gonna come up with something um or I was gonna go with something that I know some people can be curious, especially about me, um, because I'm the film guy, but I didn't know if I was ready to do that episode, and I've been pondering on it a lot. I mean there were two different ideas that I could think of, but um, I would say as soon as I started uh setting everything up, I uh I saw a commercial. And the commercial had the theme song to the Grinch. And that's when it hit me. It's been 25 years since um well since the Grinch came out, the the Jim Carrey one. And you know Christmas time is coming up, you know, for the past god knows what like 20 years people have been celebrat celebrating Christmas before Halloween even starts. I mean people don't even people just it's like Halloween, people ignore Thanksgiving and now we're in Christmas time. And I remember seeing this meme where it was Santa Claus and he's stretching his hand out saying, Hold on, let's eat the damn turkey first. And well yeah, I don't know, but I figure, you know what, why don't I just talk about the Grinch? You know, cause that's um because that's like the the um you know Christmas tale, the classic Christmas story, whether we're talking about the 1960s version, the um the 2003 uh or not 2003, the 2000 version, or the um what is it, the 2018 version. But um, yeah. So I mean why I decided to do this one, I mean, other than it being a classic, it just cause um man, what what what would I think? It's uh it's nostalgia every time the Jim Carrey version comes on because I used to love watching that as a kid, and it breaks my heart that like some people who've never seen it till late in life, you know, they watch it and they don't like it. Well, I mean, like, come on, I mean, you you gotta give it a better chance. Um, and I and I understand like some people who were young enough to see the Grinch uh 2000 version, um w uh when the 2018 version was coming out, you know, we were just a bit, you know, um hesitant because it's we'll w what we call it a remake. Well, it's not really a remake, it's just a different it's a whole new adaptation of it. But there's been different actually actually been different uh Grinch uh stories. If you know the stories, you know that um I know two of them. One of them I believe is a Grinch Halloween. I don't remember too much about that. The only thing I do remember was that there was a Grinch meets the cat and the hat. And that's a whole that's like when um because the cat and the hat and the Grinch came out, not at the exact exact same time, they came out years apart, but it was within those moments of the early 2000s that both the gr the Grinch and the Cat in the Hat came out. Um we like I know the cat and the hat wasn't met with the best reviews, but I really liked it as a kid, and um and that that would have been a great live action movie to watch. Seeing Jim Carrey and Mike Meyer share the screen. I don't think they've ever shared the screen. I might be I might I might be mistaken, but I don't think they've ever shared the screen. Um I gotta look that up. Maybe when I go on break, I'll look it up, but I don't think they've ever done uh a film or TV show together. I don't know, as as time went on, people, you know, it it it's just one of those love it or hate it kind of films. I mean, I I did watch the original um was it 1962 film uh with like the 20-minute uh animation with Boris Karloff. And in case you hadn't noticed, yes, Boris Carloff, the guy who played Frankenstein and uh well Frankenstein in 1931, he eventually would voice the Grinch in well the Grinch. And it was it was I had the um the VHS tape. I think I might have played that even when it wasn't Christmas time. Same thing with the VHS tape of the Grinch, the 2000 Ron Howard version of the Grinch. And I don't know, man, I'm I've really this actually also goes to show you that like yeah, I just said that I just came up with this idea because I just changed my other idea. So I literally had to come up with this stuff as I go. I mean, I always come up with this stuff as I go. I guess a different inspiration is because recently I've been doing all these, like it's been it came out 50 years, 20 years, 40 years, and I've been enjoying it. It's like I don't get to talk about it too much because sometimes it's it's like I'm stuck like having to only do like five minutes about a film before I have to move on to the next topic. But staying on just like the one IP, because this is more of just an IP, staying on the one IP, doing the compares and contrast, though those are can get boring sometimes, but comparing the different adaptations with the with the book. Um, I don't know. I think it's also because like you get to dive deep into like well what like how this was all made, the casting, why the stories are different. So what what what should I do is more of as I always do. Well, um, this is gonna be those the those other two-parter um episodes I do, which is basically first half I talk about the cultural impact of the Grinch, and then um a second half is the compare and contrast. And this is different because there's actually like a lot more like to compare and contrast because there's three different adaptations of the Grinch. Technically there's four. Um the first one was an I'll talk about it now just because um why not? Just so I can actually fill some time in. Um there's technically four adaptations, except the fourth adaptation is an unofficial unofficial adaptation, and it's a horror movie. Um so yes, it's one of those um it's one of those horror films, independent horror films, that's based off a different IP. The problem with that is it's unofficial adaptation, meaning when they created the film, they didn't know that this was um well that it wasn't in public domain. If for those that don't know, uh public domain is basically like when you're allowed to write your own version of a character or story without having to pay any royalty fees, because it's now open to the public, rather than having to, you know, make paperwork and contact the person that holds those um rights, which is why we get a lot of those um what is it, those um like those horror adaptations of Winnie the Pooh because they were in public domain uh by the time those horror films were released. However, the the filmmakers were actually making the film the year before um the Winnie the Pooh uh you know characters were in the public domain. It's because it's basically meaning like Disney does not own them anymore. So, which is why like you got that. You also got fr uh the what was it, Steamboat Willie, which for the record, this the Steamboat Willie horror adaptation and the Grinch horror adaptation are all both of them are played by David Howard Howard Thornton. Um, yeah, they were played by David Howard Thornton, who most of us know or we all know is the actor that plays uh Arctic Clown um in the terrifier films. And it's interesting, um, like we kind of now it now just lets us know like what kind of characters that you know James Howard Thornton likes to play. He said he wants to play the Joker, and I'm all for that. Um, but but in case you haven't noticed, there was a Grinch adaptation that was that's an unofficial adaptation of of you know the original story. It's like this generation's Nosferatu. And if I gotta go back to it again, Nosferatu, the one that came out in 1922, was an unofficial adaptation of Bram Stoker's Dracula. They didn't have the rights to the actual film, so FW Murnau, who directed the film, just made a a workaround. But the horror adaptation of the Grinch is called the Mean One, and he had to be called the Mean One. And I think like Cindy Lou Who is called Cindy You Know Who or something like that. And they really did too much when it came to the Grinch's Art Girl three sizes three sizes more or something like that. But um anyway, the Grinch does have cultural impacts. I mean, there are people who wear Grinch costumes, not a convention, so usually like to wear them here. Um most recently I think it's like Walmart commercials um that we see like you know, the city of Hooville was the Grinch, you know. And I know that there's a um there's a documentary about Jim Carrey. Um there's uh I think it's like a two-parter because Jim Carrey around that time, uh, I don't know if they those movies came out the same year. I don't remember. They probably did. I don't think so. I gotta I gotta look it up, but there was uh Jim Carrey played two characters back to back, and both times he said that he's never he was never him, he was never Jim Carrey, he was always that character or the other character. The first one we know, I think it was called Man on the Moon, which he played a famous comedian named Andy Kaufman. Uh Andy Kaufman was again a comedian that had his own demons. Um, and Jim Carrey, you know, embarked on that. He became Andy Kaufman, and just to make sure of it, he made sure people uh called him Andy off-screen. Uh, there's a de there's a whole Dave Chappelle joke about this. Um, and it just took him to a whole different place because as I said, Andy Kaufman had his own demons, and a lot of that was affecting Jim. And then he decided to do the Grinch. And I know he he said he really loved the Grinch, but he said he he hardly recognized himself when he played the Grinch. And I'm I'm not saying that because he was covered in all that makeup, like he said there was just something off about him, like he wasn't Jim Carrey, he was the Grinch. And I remember like seeing the name Jim Carrey, I didn't know who Jim Carrey was at the time. Then I saw a movie called Bruce Almighty, and I was like, wait, that's the Grinch? Because like I said, he's covered in all that makeup, and plus you got the um the yellow contacts. Let me think about this. Okay, so Man on the Moon, Man on the Moon came out before the Grinch in 1999, the Grinch came out in 2000. But I know that, like, I mean, there's I don't know if they're on Netflix or something like that, so but majority of the net the documentary is mainly focused on um when uh Jim Carrey played Andy Kaufman rather than but I know there were there were interviews when he played um the Grinch and he says like I don't remember what I am at that time. You get so but the 2000 version, because I I mainly want to focus on that one because it's been 25 years since obviously the film came out in 2000, so it's been 25 years since um how the Grinch is still Christmas, because the full title, if y'all don't remember, is Dr. Seuss's How the Grinch is still Christmas. Same thing was I believe the 1960 60 something, and then of course there was um there the 2018 version, which is either called the Grinch or Dr. Seuss's The Grinch. So 1966, there you go. Um, I know okay, here it is. Some things I was gonna look for was um I want to talk what I really want to talk about is the um the production value or the production design, like the whole filmmaking in general. Um, if y'all don't know, Ron Howard who uh is obviously a filmmaker, him and Brian Grasier have worked together for a long time. Um, next year, uh I mean the following year, Ron Howard would eventually do a movie called A Beautiful Mind, which he would win the Oscar for Best Director for. Um, that's always been like the most questionable win, and nothing against Ron Howard, it's just that like compared to some of the other filmmakers around that time, his stood out the least to everyone, to the audience basically. But he still won the best director award and the movie won Best Picture. But the production of this film is very interesting. So here's the thing this movie was nominated um in 2001 at the 73rd Academy Awards. Um, it got three nominations best makeup and hairstyling. At the time, it was considered just best makeup, which it would eventually win and won best makeup because obviously. And then it was also nominated for best production design and best costume design. There's there's always a reason why I like why I love this version really. I used to really love it as a kid. As an adult, I don't watch it enough. Um, just a heads up, guys. I'm probably gonna do a Christmas episode if I can get um Hesus and Josh involved. But I plan on doing this Christmas episode. Um, you'll you'll you'll find out what it is. But going back to it, the makeup, the production design, the costume design, it's astonishing. Like it's a really it's really really great because Hooville is a made-up place, so it's like you have to figure out like how you're gonna how you're gonna do uh buildings and stuff of a made-up place. And especially like, yes, we've seen the books, but the books don't give us too too much. Um you have to make up a whole town with multiple buildings. Um, everybody had to look the same. You know, they had the weird, I always like to call it like a mouse nose. They had the weird mouse nose, and like I call it like the cherry top hair. It looks like a swirly hair. Um, yeah, no, it's it's it's very, very interesting. I really love the production they put into this. Um, having to create, you know, different looks for the who's without even them not you know, the feature it's hard to say this. They have to look like who's obviously these those are middle characters by Dr. Seuss. Like they had to have that feature of what the who's supposed to look like, but everyone is just so different. And then the building, like I said, the buildings, um, the props are so so weird and wacky. Even the Grinch is there. Um, the the soundtrack, um, which I I believe tends to get ignored. I love the soundtrack. I know, like, like a lot of films, there's always like some dark stories about what's been around uh around the film. Obviously, um, obviously, um, there's what I told you about Jim Carrey about him, um, what's it called? Like him just not seeing himself when he's the Grinch. And then there was um an actor, I I forgot his name. He was an actor that has dwarfism and like a form of dwarfism, I believe, who played the younger version um of the Grinch. He was actually only 18. Um, he just his features just make him look and sound like a child. He eventually would pass away not too long after the movie's release, and that's one of the like the dark histories of the Grinch. And I I again I I really do love this film. I mean, every dark, every film has a dark history. Um, The Wizard of Oz has a lot of it. Um, actually, they have they have worse histories than the Grinch does. Like because like if you know the story, you know the story. I'm not gonna get involved in this one. But um, I I really think that this is a film that's still ahead of its time. I know some people, again, people who've seen this they don't like the film. Well, that's too bad because people are gonna watch it, you're gonna see it everywhere. So either, I don't know, take back what you said or just shut up and watch the film. Um and again, I'm not that harsh on critics and stuff. Sometimes I feel like I'm a I'm a critic myself, but I think um I think there's a film that is against is always gonna be a classic no matter what. Um Jim Carrey's performance as a Grinch, honestly, they went with the they chose the right person because I cannot imagine anybody else playing the Grinch, you know, because like the the the portrayal is so different from how the book is and how Boris Karloff portrayed him. And I have nothing wrong against Benedict Cunnerback's um performance, a bit, but it's just like a voice performance and I don't know, like the um what is it? Like with the facial expressions and the sound effects that the Grinch makes and just how he moves and talks and stuff like that. How his face, the facial expressions with all that makeup. I mean, I don't know. I mean, yeah, Jim Carrey's the only one that could probably is the only one I actually can't see. That's like he's the Grinch, he's the Grinch. You get what I mean? Like the way he changes his voice, he he again, that's that's the Grinch. That's my Grinch. Um, and um I forgot what her name is, Taylor Munson. Um, I know she doesn't act anymore. She pursues her music. By the way, she's she grew up weird. Um, that's not to be mean or anything, it's just that we're so used to how she looked like, you know, in the Grinch, and then when we see her now, I mean as kids grow up, we just like I think it's because we've never seen her in any movies growing up, or at least I haven't. So it's like every year we always see her as the Grinch the little girl from the Grinch because we see the Grinch pr practically every year. And then once we actually look up what she looks like, it's like, God dang, girl. Like you you grew up. They had a small reunion not too long ago. I forgot what the small reunion was for. Everybody else is uh is great. Um, who was it? Um Molly Shannon, who played the mom of Cindy Lou Who, um Jeffrey Tambor, who of we all know plays the mayor, which of course, growing up as that movie, we knew the the the mayor was part of my French, but the mayor was a major dick um to pretty much everybody. Um who else? Christine Berensky, who played Martha May, um Bob, yeah, yeah, Bob, Bob Irwin, Anthony Hopkins, we always forgot did the narration. Clint Howard. For those that don't know, that's Ron Howard's younger brother. You see him in some of the in some of his films. He's also done a couple of horror films. You know, circling back to the terrifier, he came out in terrifier 3. Um, yeah, no, um, let's look at this. I actually want to see who played the younger version of the Grinch because I'm on the website right now. J Josh Ryan Evans. Yeah. He passed away in August 5th of 2002. He was 20 years old. Man that is so young. He had a heart condition. Um, yeah. He was undergoing uh surgery for his heart condition, and yeah, that's just like is uh like I said, like n a lot of films, especially when you do a lot of research, um, have a very, very dark um backstory. And or just any story that circles around the film. But um it's I I still watch it mostly because it's on right now, and like I said, people have been celebrating Christmas before Halloween even begins, and they just skip Thanksgiving and then go straight to Christmas. Or it's just more like Thanksgiving is a pause, you get what I mean? Like everybody pauses their Christmas stuff right when thick right on Thanksgiving, and they're like, Okay, Thanksgiving's over, let's resume. Like I said, slow down, let's eat the damn turkey first, and then you can start decorating. Um, but I I don't know. If I was if I was present, I'd make a stupid law saying you can't put up any Christmas decorations until Thanksgiving is over. But I don't know, that just makes you sound like a dictator. Um, emphasis on the dick part. But um, no. Um I I I'm gonna take another break. Uh or actually, I'm just gonna take a break right now. It'll be the only break of the this episode. Like I said, it's gonna be one of those two parters. Um, um, I mean, I'm I feel like I'm getting better with the compare contrast parts, but I I don't know. We'll see. I haven't had a chance to listen to a lot of recent of my own recent episodes. I sometimes do. Um I'll explain in a future episode on why that is. But uh yeah, um, I'm gonna take a break right now and we'll be back. Alright, and uh welcome back. Um, so like I said, this is gonna be the two-parter compare and contrast kind of episode. Um, so this one is probably gonna be the longest part because there's so many to compare and to contrast the uh the multiple adaptations, you know, the Grinch. Um, so you know what? Let's just get to it. So I do want to say one thing that's way different from um from um um all the adaptation is that like the original Grinch when it came out wasn't even in color, it was like a weird black and white. Um and Cindy Hulu who also looked very weird in in um the the the book. I mean she looks almost like an ant kind of. And then they kind of uh made her look uh basically they added hair on her in the um in the animation one, just like just um just saying that's I would say part of the difference. Um doesn't look like she has hair in the uh in the book. But the 1966 uh television film was Boris Carloff, uh it's the only adaptation that's very faithful to Dr. Seuss's uh novel because I I well not really novel, Dr. Seuss's book, um, because novels has many pages, um, a lot more pages, chapters, let's put it like that. But um the uh but yeah, I I guess because like because how short the book was, that's like okay, let's just do it like the book, and it's literally like a 20-minute um a 20-minute adaptation. So what's different from all the other movies? Well, pretty much a lot of things. Um like what's sim what makes it similar to um like the differences between both movies as well as because I think I might as well just compare contrast all all three of the adaptations rather than the books because like the book is just a very small, you know, chapter. And literally, like the 1966, uh like the plans to stop Christmas from coming is literally where the book actually starts. Everything, all the other events before um, let's say with the 2001, everything before, like where where the Grinch stands on the on you know the top of his mountain and is deciding himself that he must uh you know stop Christmas, all the other stuff before that doesn't exist. That's all I don't know who the screenwriter was, maybe it was Ron Howard, I don't remember, but that was all written for the movie. Same thing with um with Benedict Cunterbadge. Though Benedict Cunterbad, the idea to steal Christmas is like in the middle of the movie, but you know, the 1966 adaptation obviously that starts right how the book starts. So um, but both uh both adaptations give you a backstory of the Grinch, something the book or the 1966 adaptation never does on why he hates Christmas. If y'all remember in the 2000 version, the um um when the Grinch was a little kid, he was one adopted by these two uh these two women. I think they're supposed to be like his aunties or whatever. And um, you know, he had a he he just pretty much went to school like any other kid would in Hootville in Whoville. He wasn't really considered a Who. Um and he had a crush on Martha May. I mean, he still had a crush on Martha May because uh Martha May had always had feelings for the Grinch. Um it's always been applied that she has had feelings for the Grinch, especially as a kid. But Um, in his version he created uh or what was happening was like he was bullied by the mayor when the mayor was a kid. Like I said, the mayor was a dick. Um, and he talked about how like you're like he's an eight-year-old that has facial hair um and is also green. So he decided to shave and hurt himself. And when he showed up to school the next day, um again, kids were like kids are kids. I've worked with kids in the past. Uh, kids are gonna be kids. I've literally had to go out get after, you know, any kind of kid that dares trust to make uh bullying remarks and stuff like that. Um, so kids are kids, a lot of them are dicks, but that that's that's literally how the life is. But they were so mean that he was like, I hate Christmas now, and then lived forever in the mountain. Versus in the 2018 adaptation, which is a lot sadder, um, he just never got it. He would he lived in an orphanage and just never got adopted, and then one day um he just left. And the and the interesting thing is that like um the orphanages apparently I I don't know why this was ever a thing. Like orphanages are orphanages are empty around Christmas time, so he would spend Christmas alone. Again, I don't know how that ended up ended up becoming a thing. So so because of him being alone on Christmas all the time and then and then just seeing him seeing like how the who's are around this time, how happy they are, he just didn't like it. That's why he's like, I must stop this Christmas so that everyone, you know, wouldn't have a good Christmas. Uh, because really he said that he did this because he didn't like being alone. Because who who wants to be alone? I never like to be alone. I always say, like, being alone is a fate worse than death. Like, yeah, like that's that's that's terrible. Like being alone for eternity, like I said, a fate worse than death um itself. So there there was that. Max is different. Um, well, Max acts like a regular dog in the 2000 adaptation. Um, and I've always said I've expressed my thoughts on having actual animals on film sets. Um, but that's always a me thing. Um, but you know, Max is like the loyal dog in the Grinch, the 2018 version. I kind of like this version, in my honest opinion. I like this version of Max. Um, because you don't get that many loyal dogs. I've had plenty of dogs in the past to know none of them are gonna listen to you. But I mean the the instant classic was Max is always gonna be when he ties when the Grinch ties that reindeer horn on the top of Max's head. I'm not trying to say the the entire thing uh word for word, by the way. But he uh he he tied he tied it on Max's head and Max's head just lowers down because how heavy it is. So the Grinch has to saw off like parts of it to make it less heavy because he says, like, all I need is a reindeer, and if I cannot find a reindeer, I'll make one. So that's one uh that's a couple of different, you know, like different stories, I guess you can say it was the Grinch. The other thing is Cindy Lou Who's in these in the movie adaptations are is a lot more active in in the in the films rather than in the book, as well as in the 1966 uh adaptation, because in both the book and the 60s adaptation, we don't see Cindy Lou Who until you know the Grinch enters the house and tries to stuff the um the tree from the chimney, and obviously we we get the line was like why are you trying to take our Christmas tree? And he says, Oh, there's a light on one side that's not lighting. You get what I mean? Like, I'm not gonna say the whole the whole line just because I might get copyrighted because again, the Grinch is not in public domain, so I can't say anything more for her, and I probably won't even remember in the first place. But um, I love both the way they wrote Cindy Lu in both adaptations with the 2000 one and the animated 2018 one. I like what they did with both of them because Cindy Lou Who is a child who realizes everybody's all about Christmas, like they're spending more than they should. You know, people are like making lists on lists on lists, and then there's the lights and stuff like that, which by the way, I didn't even know there was a director's cut until maybe like 10 years ago. Um, so yeah, when I saw the light show part, I was like, I do not remember this part, or the scene where you know the Grinch is like putting on um all these different clothing, especially where he's wearing like a stove, which is I I never understood. But um, yeah, Cindy Le Who is now she's the one that's like, why are we having to buy more than we should? Shouldn't Christmas be about spending time with your loved ones and not being alone? And you know, I'm I guess you can say like the who's represent, you know, the greed of the world. We want this, we want to spend on that. And you know, usually it's not worth it. I mean, because I mean, we've we've all gotten toys and stuff for Christmas, but how long does it last versus you know the love of Christmas? How long does that last? A little something to think about there. And then what I really did love with the animated one is that like she's she's also she's just a little kid that doesn't want a toy. She wants um to give like have something for her mom, like to give to her mom because her mom does so much, because in in this ad in the 2018 adaptation, she's raised by a single mother, um, versus obviously in the 2000 one, she has both her parents. Um, and it's like in one adaptation, you know, like her dad is the one that knows, like, oh, okay, Cindy Lou Who is the one that's trying to reunite people and spend and have a good time on on Christmas, and not about putting up the lights or spending uh money on the lights, the decorations, the gifts, versus like the mom is the one that's in the 2018 version, the mom is the one that says, Hey, like all of this is just stuff. You get what like what Christmas is about is spending it with family. And I I don't know, this is like it's different, but I kind of like what they did with those both adaptations. Um, where I draw the line, or not where I lie, where I line myself with, it's hard. Uh, because I I understand like wanting to give back to your mother, because again, I have my mom does so much for my sisters and I. It's like it's kind of hard not to like you know offer her something or treat her with something, um, because she's done so much, versus also being the one that's like, we're spending so much money on this and that. Shouldn't we just appreciate the things we do have and you know spend our Christmas with each other, even to the ones that don't even want to celebrate it? You get you get what I mean? So that's like how both how the writers of both films wrote Cindy Lou Who is literally something I I I give them credit for. So I really don't know who aligned myself with. I mean, eh, I don't know. I can I can be a draw on this one because I get both of them. Um, especially like the relationship dynamic between the Grinch and Cindy Lou. I mean, the Grinch is the one that's like in the 2018 version that's like, I know what every kid wants, but she's not like every kid. You get what I mean? Like the kid, kids want toys from Santa, she wants Santa to have um, I guess give her mom a a great Christmas or something. Versus um Mr. Grinch, I versus in you know the 2000 version, Mr. Grinch, I want you to be part of, you know, the who's, you know, be a who you know, like celebrate Christmas with the who's and stuff like that. Because I mean, this is a kid that has a bigger heart than most adults have. I'm not saying that because you know the Grinch is infamously known for having a really, really small heart. Um, this it's it's again, it just touches on me. This is the kid. Yes, it's fiction, but if if I ever meet a kid like that, you realize how um like how moved one can be. Given the fact that you know this kid was probably raised right. Um there's there's that. And then like the rest of the story about like the like the Grinch, obviously in the book and then the adaptation doesn't visit Hooville before he ever decides to steal, you know, Christmas in a way. I never knew the words to say it was this one because it's like steal Christmas dot Christmas. There's so much to this, but you know, you know, the Grinch never really visits Hooville. I mean in the in the 2000 adaptation, he goes there just says because I I guess I need a little socialization, you know? And it's funny how like you see him try to be um I guess you could work cruel. I mean he's cruel in most senses when he visits Hooville. Because in the 2018 he doesn't want to go to town because he knows how people are during that time, and you could you could just see him trying to avoid like going like you know, he was trying he's trying to avoid going to Hoovil because he sees how people are, and then you just I think it's a lot more meaner in the 2018 version than in the 2000 version. But um, well, I mean, I don't know what's if you think about it, because it's like in the 2000 version, like he he creates this uh monster-looking thing that like pops out every time somebody tries to open his door, and there's Max on the other end just barking on barking through what like this little tube that creates this sound, like this monster sound. And then obviously there's him just being a dick to everybody in um Hoover, either eating a pickle and then spinning it out in a different pickle jar, or just throwing a snowball at a kid or stuff like that. And it's interesting because it's like this version of the Grinch is a little more humanized or yeah, I guess more humanized than in the 2018 version. Uh and it I mean it's hard to I don't really call them humans because they're who's. I don't think Dr. Seuss has ever mentioned them as human beings before. But what am I gonna say? Uh whoized, you get what I mean? Who humanized, I guess? But that just sounds dumb. Humanized. Unless that's an actual word that when we're describing who folks, but I've never heard it before. But basically what I mean is that like, you know, him not being a uh him being a jerk to not being a jerk. And um, guess the last thing I could talk about, because I don't have too much to talk about, is basically the um the last scenes of the of every adaptation. Because in the um because how it always goes is basically like um the Grinch is saying like, oh I finally made it, I brought all the gifts up to the up to the top of the mountain. Now I get to hear all the who's cry, and the next thing you know, he hears the gr the who's not crying but singing together. That's when he realizes maybe Christmas isn't you know stuff that comes from the store or just like what you celebrate, it's something else. And then that's when you know his Grinch heart grew. But in the the 1966 adaptation, his Grinch heart grows when he's trying to save the gifts, which apparently gives him the strength to get the um to like carry the uh what is it, the um the sled full of you know millions of gifts, which still doesn't make sense, but I mean it's fiction. Um versus like in the uh last two adaptations where his Grinch heart, you know, grows when he hears like the um the who's singing. And it's always that last that scene where like Jim Carrey breaks down, or well Jim, yeah, the Jim Carrey's the Grinch breaks down, no knowing that like wow, this is all like maybe I've had Christmas all wrong. Maybe it didn't have to be for like from a store and stuff like that, and like he's just breaking down, and then you know you just see his heart just growing, and that's why I'm always like, why didn't seriously that's the that's the one part of the movie that people love, and that didn't move you to the point of actually liking this film, but you know, I rest my case there. And it's always like that scene where like he sees where like he realizes that the the the the sled is about to tip over, and he's like, Oh, I gotta go save them, and then next thing you know, you know, Cindy Lou Who is on top of the sled. Now there's two things at stake, really. There's the presence and Cindy Lou Who, because if she like she's on top of the the sled, which obviously she shouldn't be, but she may be a smart kid. She's still a kid, so even smart kids make not so smart decisions sometimes, but obviously with enough but obviously like when he sees her, you know, like afraid for her life, that's when he's like gets the strength to pull up that sled. And um, yeah. And it's always interesting, especially like you see the happiness in um well I'm just getting emotional already about to talk about it because you see the happiness in the Grinch after he saves the gifts and he um and he goes and like he's you know, he tells how much he tells everybody how much he how much he's sorry about stealing them, and the who's eventually decide, you know what, you're part of us now. Like you're we want you to spend Christmas with us. And then of course it ends with like the Grinch, obviously like, you know, cutting what was it, the world's beef or something like that. And I think it's like it's always been it always gets to me because and I'm talking about like both versions, and because I didn't see the um the 2018 version until maybe like two or three years later. Um and I think I was just being stubborn because I you know I I didn't want to watch it, you know. The the Jim Carrey version was always my Grinch. You know, I don't know how many times I think I've worn out that VHS tape. And I'm yes, I'm old enough to know what a VHS tape is, because I mean I I grew up around the time when DVDs started coming around. Um The thing though is that like, you know, the Grinch gets happy endings in all three different adaptations. I mean, one of them was, I mean, the first I mean what in the in the first one, he just he goes, he arrives, and he's tossing the presents back to the citizen of Hoover, and the Huvo, you know, uh treats him like the town hero, and then you know they have him, hey, you be the one that cuts, you know, our you know, like the turkey or whatever for our dinner, our Christmas dinner. And then in the um, what was it, in the 2000 adaptation, he, you know, like I said, like, what is it? Who is it? Cindy Lou Who was the first one to ever tell him Merry Christmas in a better version. And, you know, he invited all of them to his mountain and um, you know, just starts, you know, they all have the Christmas feast. The last line is always always it's always funny because why not why not end it in a in a funny note where he's like who wants the gizzard? I do, too late, that'll be mine. Because my mom, my mom loves gizzards. I don't know why, but most of my mom's family they love the gizzard. I've tried the gizzard, I can't eat the gizzards. I've had chicken hearts before. Um, those are actually pretty good. But in the in the 2018 version, you know, he did he accepted. He knew what he did was bad. And he tells him how much, you know, he's sorry that he stole all the lights and the gifts and stuff like that. But then he and he knew like eventually he felt he felt at that moment I'm gonna have to spend Christmas alone because at this point nobody's gonna forgive me for stealing their stuff. And then Cindy Lou who came and said, Hey, look, our mom my mom and I want to invite you to our house for you know Christmas dinner because you've been alone far too long. Again, getting uh kind of emotional just thinking about this, because I I mean I don't have that experience, but I've I remember like what life is being alone. And when he came in, he's like, you know, I never wanted to be alone, and now I'm not alone anymore. And like I said, coming from someone who's always felt alone, don't be afraid to reach out to people and tell them, like, I feel alone right now. Because when you feel alone, you don't feel good about yourself, and that's like not a great feeling. Like, trust me, I've I've had those feelings before. It's just hard to talk about it because it's like how do you tell people that you feel alone when you're not physically alone? It's it there's the physically alone and then there's the you know the like how you feel on the inside, like you're alone on the inside. Whew, but yeah, no, it's um I don't hate the the 2018 adaptation. I get why people do because it's not you know their Grinch and stuff like that. I don't get why people hate the 2000 adaptation, but I mean yes, everyone will always held the two 1966 as the adaptation because it's it's B for B with the book. I understand that. I still like the I still love that adaptation really. Um especially because like when I had the VHS tape of that one, that's when we also when we also had um Horton Hears a Who, which is a different Jim Carrey uh Dr. Seuss adaptation. Um, I I don't have much to say. Um other than the Grinch is a great film. That's that's it. I mean, all three versions. I mean, yeah, like I said, well, always love it. I think The Grinch, the 2000 version, was probably the first movie I ever saw in theaters. I think so, because maybe, maybe I don't remember. It could have been that or Spider-Man. I don't remember which one came out first. I think it no, Spider-Man came out in 2002. Or was that or was that Spider-Man 2? Or no, hold on. I'm trying to remember. So, yeah, Spider-Man 2 came out or Spider-Man came out in 2002. Yeah, so The Grinch was the first film I ever saw. Yeah, The Grinch was the first film I ever saw in theaters. Um, and it is weird to think about how I can remember that because I was four years old at the time. So it's like I could remember something when I was four years old, but I can't remember things I do like the week before. And I think it's because of like having that experience of watching the Grinch in theaters, and I think it's it's one of those moments that my dad and my older sister and I had. Um, and I think it's because like any moment with my dad and any memory with my dad, um, I try to keep. Um, but yeah, um, I'm not gonna say Merry Christmas just yet because it'll still it hasn't been Thanksgiving yet. But I mean, like I said, people are already doing their Christmas thing before Thanksgiving. It's been around for like 20 years, probably before that, I don't remember. But I do have a Christmas idea uh coming up, not next episode. Next episode, I think his sus and I are actually gonna come back and do the room like I promised. Um, we just had to hold on a couple of things, but him and I are probably gonna do the room next weekend. So y'all might be getting the room episode next weekend, or maybe not next weekend, but the weekend after. Because I'm not gonna release the next episode um on the Thanksgiving time because it's Thanksgiving. I want I want us all just to sit back, relax, not worry about work. So y'all might be getting the room the weekend after, and after that, it's my Christmas episode I want to do. And if it's not that, then I'm probably gonna do the Hobbit. That wasn't the original. Oh, that kind of was gonna be the original idea, but like I said, I was gonna do something else. Um, I probably might do that idea next on after uh Christmas break because um, yeah. So so like I said, just be aware that um we may or may not be doing the room or the Christmas thing. I really want to do the Christmas thing. Um, so for now, we will probably be doing the room, and then we'll probably do our Christmas episode. And if not, we'll probably actually end up doing our our Christmas episode like the week before Christmas, and I'll probably talk about The Hobbit. I had to figure it all out. I know I probably will talk about The Hobbit, uh, because in 2026, it'll be 25 years since the Fellowship of the Ring came out, and I want to talk about every single movie on their 25th anniversary. So that's an idea I want to do. Again, that's if I continue my podcast button. Anyway, you guys have a great night, day, morning. Whenever you're listening to this, signing out.