Gilbert's It's All about the MEDIA
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Gilbert's It's All about the MEDIA
Episode 38
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Gilbert and Jesus talk about the bad that it's so good classic The Room
And uh welcome to the podcast, everyone. And um, all I just gotta say for this intro is I did not hit uh this is bullshit. I did not hit uh I did not. Oh hi Mark. So in case y'all didn't know, and if we're putting this online, if you don't see from Asusa's background, um, we're talking about the room because I've been on this platform for I mean almost four years since uh start of 22. I'm four seasons in, yeah, four seasons in, and I've never talked about the room, um, which I'm surprised because I thought like maybe because last season I thought, you know what, we could do uh an episode about the room because somebody that I used to work with said I should do an episode about the room, and I was like, Oh yeah, because it's a classic, but okay, if you've never heard of the room, um let's put it this way I want to say what Joe Rogan said at the Golden Globes. I'm not gonna say it were for because I don't remember every single detail he said, but he said, Imagine you're going down like Hollywood Boulevard or San Fran, and you look up and you just see a billboard, and on that billboard, you just see a picture of what looks like a vampire went to the costume party dresses, Johnny Depp. And then there's no production company, no distribution, there's just the title of the room with the number, and if you call that number, it will be the actual writer, producer, director, and star of the of the room, Tommy Wiseau. And then he would invite you, and then when you would go, you would see something that's so terrible that it's actually very amusing. So it's one of those well, it's so bad that it's good kind of um, yeah, kind of movies. If you don't know what I mean by so bad it's good, it's like imagine you watch like the worst movie ever, but you're like you're just laughing at it. That you're like, you know what? Maybe those two hours wasn't the worst hours of my life, because there's plenty of those, trust me. Um, but yeah, the room is how long has it been? Is it been what was it 2003 that it came out or 2002?
SPEAKER_01I think so. I think it was 2003.
SPEAKER_00It's 20 something years since it came out. Um, but yeah, it's uh it's a classic because of how bad it is. Um, and if you're wondering, like, what is this movie about? I couldn't like give you a good description because there's just so much just happening in this movie that there's like a subplot that just doesn't come up out of nowhere and it just is never talked about again, and then there's just bad acting that's on the other end. The majority of um this this movie um comes from Tommy Wise. And if y'all don't know who Tommy Wise is, just like the room, I couldn't really describe you if I did, but um, you said you were watching just a little bit of videos about Tommy Wise.
SPEAKER_01Uh yeah, so I mean there's so much that well, okay, there's so much, and yet there is not so much information to even go in depth about the making of the room. I mean, all we have is like basically the disaster artist, which was adapted, but even then the movie itself uh took a lot of liberties with the actual book. So I mean the book is essentially dark in itself. Um the movie takes a lot of takes that and tries to scrub off all the negativity that was expressed in the book and more so trying to make it like uh the general the usual Hollywood um archetype of hey, you got two um you have somebody who literally is like an underdog and trying to step foot into well the American dream. So I mean that that that's commonly what films are anyway. So that's what they went for that approach in the film to make to make it seem that hey, the the the making of the film was overall like a little bit hectic, but not not as severe as uh you think it is. Um there's a documentary that was that has not seen the light of day since like 2016. Um that was my own research and other people who who looked at it like years back when I first heard about this film. And of course, it's not it's not it's never gonna come out, basically, because um the writer, director, and producer of this film basically keeps uh appealing to make sure that that documentary never gets re never gets shown. Um it kind of goes into some of the private life of him, and he doesn't like to ever go into his private life. If you see interviews of him, he's always like they ask him, so what country are you from? I mean, the only time we actually got some sort of confirmation from directly from Tommy was with Jimmy Kimmel, because I mean James Franco was, you know, they were they were advertising the the disaster artist, and he goes, I mean, Jimmy Kimmel finally asks him, um, where are you from? And he he's like, Well, I'm originally European, and that's it. He doesn't go any more in depth, and I think he refuses to go even more in depth in any kind of interview. So a lot about him is very interesting. The uh I'm sorry, I I'm kind of going to ramble here, but I mean it is a rabbit hole in its in and of itself. Uh, if you've seen a disaster artist, uh, I I guess Seth Rogan was playing the script supervisor of the I uh his name is uh his last name is Sinclair. Um and he he goes to deposit his check, and like the the the teller, the bank teller is telling like he's surprised that he's even getting paid for it because he thought, oh, I'm not getting paid for this at all. And the bank teller tells him, dude, this Tommy, this this account of his is like a bottomless pit. That guy actually has money. We don't know where it comes from. Um, the biggest theory is that he apparently did the right thing. He had investments with people that he collaborated with. And actually, it's a fun fact, um, they're both those two people that he like um thanks the most are in are in the executive producer credits of the film. Um, but uh anyway, the point is that apparently he's got some investments with San Francisco real estate. And I mean, back in the 70s and 80s, uh, it might have been the right thing for him to do. Because now it's just a bumble, it's just a not bumbling, it's just a uh it's a lucrative business down there. So I mean that would make sense, honestly. If he wasn't selling drugs, that is the most logical explanation for how he has the money.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because um, in case you guys want to know this, like I know most people don't really care about um production values of um films, but this movie had six million dollars to make. That is uh well, actually, hold on, five million from pre pre and production value, and and I think an extra million for post-production, so overall six million, and yeah, nobody knows where that money comes from. Again, you ask Tommy Wise oh, where are you from? How old are you? Which is another question. Um, how do you get your money? Nope, nope, nothing. Um, and like I get like again, he's just he's just like a figure. Like, who is this guy, you know? Because uh Greg, uh Greg, it's been a while since I seen the movie, but um, and I forgot the actor already.
SPEAKER_01No, you mean Greg's a still? Yeah, you're right. Yeah, Greg.
SPEAKER_00Sorry, because I get I get Mark and Greg confused so many times. Sometimes I forget like which is which is so yeah, so for the record, yes, Greg is the actor, Marcus the character he plays. Um, even like when they first met, um he was just some mysterious person he met at a drama class and was like, Who are you? And next thing you know, they went on an adventure and Tommy made a made a movie. Now, look, um, it's hard to talk positively about most bad films. Um, but the reason why I can't talk smack about Tommy Wiseau and the room, I mean, obviously, people still watch it. Um, the other reason is because people don't know how hard it is to actually get into the business of filmmaking, whether it's acting, whether it's um producing, directing, screenwriting, it's a very competitive business and it's difficult. Like, so like I remember I was at a panel with Frank Grillo. If y'all don't know, um uh Frank Grill came out in The Purge Anarchy and played, I believe, Crossbone and um Captain America and Civil War. Um and he said he's he said like he's been in the business for a while, and even most veteran actors, and I don't mean like you know, military ex-military actors, I mean like actors that have been in the business for a long time, even they have a hard time trying to find roles. It's a very competitive business out there. And the reason again why I can't give slander on the room and Tommy Wise O is one, again, the room's a classic. I can enjoy a good laugh out of that one. And two, it's because he made a movie that he wanted to make that had multiple flaws, and I'm pretty sure he he hated like when people were laughing at it the first viewing, but he just got used to it because um, like I said, six million dollars to make. Um, it made, I believe, eleven hundred or eighteen hundred at the box office when it first came out. Um, but through time, there was I believe what, like random midnight premieres of that movie, like every year.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so like the funny thing about it is um he had it he had the film screened for two weeks in theaters, at least I think maybe a cup a few theaters in Los Angeles so that he could um meet the requirement that was needed to submit the film to the Oscars or at least to the Academy. So, of course, I mean that never panned out, but um uh I think the story goes um from the source that I've watched. I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna credit him trying to remember who it is, but uh his YouTube channel is called Dr. Hugo. So um this is where I got most of the information from. But anyway, um, at least according to that documentary, he says that in the last uh days uh before this film was just dropped from uh theaters, a group of college students um saw the film and they just were like they had a blast. They thought it was the greatest film of all time, or whatever film you've ever seen in your whole life. And they it it just became a word of mouth thing. So the internet thanks to the internet, I mean that was just in it's already it's already starting to become huge, MySpace and everything, you spread. And word of mouth is what ultimately got people to see this film because they were so curious as to what it is, like why what what is the room? So yeah, I mean, uh now when you try to have midnight screenings, um, you have to know in advance, you know, because if you're if you hear like the same day, oh the room's coming out to like San Antonio at Alamo Draft House, well guess what? You're not gonna get a ticket because people would already know by now. And it's it's sold out, so it's it's just crazy. Like it's like a it's like the Rocky Horror Picture Show. Like people are watching it and it just sells out because of how how entertaining it is to watch together.
SPEAKER_00I think it's funny how I just mentioned Rocky Horror two episodes ago and now we're bringing it back up. But um, yeah, no, that the other funny thing about this is that um I'm trying to think. Oh yeah, some of the props are also random too. Um, because you see like pictures, and they're not pictures of people, they're pictures of spoons. So what the audience does is every time they notice a scene that has the pictures of the pictures of the spoons, um, they just randomly throw the spoons out to the screen and they're like spoons. Like you realize how big of an impact this movie has. And like, like we said, so bad that it's good. It's called the Citizen Kane of um bad movies or the worst film or worst films, depending on how you put it. And if y'all don't know what Citizen Kane is, um it's considered it was considered the best film ever made. And then The Godfather showed up, so there's that. But um, yeah, Citizen Kane, very old movie, 1941. If y'all ever want to check it out, I don't know where you can find find it. I have uh I think I still have a hard copy uh DVD of it, but um, yeah, um people people have enjoyed it. I mean, yes, uh James Franco would eventually make I believe he also directed it. He he made the disaster artist, which is a um which is like the telling of how you know they made the room. Uh the thing is is that like I when I first saw that, I was like, okay, so maybe James Franco is coming for another Oscar nomination. He was just a few allegations short of get having that happen, um, unfortunately. And but this is also the first film you ever watched that had both James and Dave Franco. And I believe this is when um Dave Franco met his future wife, Alison Bree, which I've mentioned before. Um, I think that's her name. Um, but um I mentioned before how like um I saw Together, and I didn't know that that was an actual couple. And by the way, if you've never seen Together, I loved it. Um, definitely one of my top five films of this year. Uh just be prepared because if you're not a fan of body horror, um, especially if you've ever seen The Substance, just be prepared because that's uh that was something. Um, but to topic, yes, uh, it's uh such a great, no, I want to say great film, it's a great time to watch. I recommend don't watch it by yourself because you have you'll have a better experience watching with people than but was by yourself because um if you watch it by yourself, some you might not want to get through the entire film. You watch it with people, y'all are gonna have a good time. And that's it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, I can attest to that. Um I I watched it again this uh afternoon, and I mean I'm not gonna lie, I had a couple of times where I knew exactly I already knew what famous lines were, so I could already repeat them as soon as they're said, and it's just it's just funny hearing it anyway. But um some of the scenes when they're supposed to when it's supposed to be serious, it it it lags and it drags. So uh I just tend to I was just on my phone for those for those moments. But if you like if you're watching it with with a group of people, better yet, you go to a theater and watch it, oh man, it's a blast.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and I guess another thing before we go on break, um, it's not really just the acting and the the writing that's a problem, it's even the editing. Because if you even watch like the opening, well, like not really the open when he walks into the flower shop, it's like I'm looking at the lips, and the lips aren't synced with the audio. And I was like, okay, so yeah, now I know what I'm getting myself into. And then not only that, um, it cuts to like a five-minute sex scene that you just see nothing but Tommy Wise's bare ass pretty much the entire time.
SPEAKER_01Um give or take like three or four sex scenes in this film. Um like I mean, that stuff is not something you know. I mean, if you're into it, you're into it. That that's pretty much it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But um, yeah, there's plenty more about the room and about the disaster artist, and as well as about the future of the podcast coming up. So um, we're gonna take a quick break right now. All right, and we're back, and you're carrying me apart at least uh so I don't know, we're probably just gonna randomly say just a bunch of um lines in this segment because I mean, yes, there are times when we would like talk about the plot of a film like from start to finish, even though we leave out a lot of detail. Some we don't because we figured, you know, some movies we should just um have y'all watch for yourselves. This one I would, but like I said in the earlier, it's kind of hard to like like there's a plot in this movie. You just really gonna have to like dig in there because um yeah. Um basically the the main purpose of the plot or the main like synopsis is basically um Johnny. I think he's well like a bank teller or something. He never I don't think they ever specify.
SPEAKER_01Um yeah, I think he's a bank teller of some sort. Yeah, because something like that, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Because I mean they said something they were in a what was it, like a cafe scene, and they're like something about like what are your clients are like I can't tell you that. That's confidential.
SPEAKER_01Anyway, how's your sex life?
SPEAKER_00Okay, guys, we can't help ourselves when it comes to this, but yeah, so basically, like uh Johnny uh eventually finds out his uh his girl um is having an affair with um his best friend. That's basically what the synopsis is should be. And why I say should be is because there's so much added in there. Um there's this young kid in there named Denny, and by the way, um he looks like a kid, but he's actually older than Greg by a lot, actually. Yeah, that's funny. And it's like you don't even know how they know each other, by the way. Like he's just some random kid.
SPEAKER_01Um we have, um, sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but I think the only backstory we have in there is when uh Lisa and his girlfriend is talking to his uh talking to her mother. Uh and oh yeah, there's a couple of scenes where you know she's talking with her mother about should I be should I be marrying Yanni? Or because this is Tommy's uh character and uh whatever. But the point is uh what we know about Danny is that um he just wants he Tommy really wanted to adopt him and he's actually paying for his uh college tuition until you know um he get he gets to have his own life and such. Uh so I mean it's trying to emphasize the fact that uh Johnny is a very sympathetic, should be a sympathetic man, very sympathetic, and the audience should feel the same.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, and the thing with Danny is that like he owes money to I believe a drug dealer. And um I think they're trying to get him out of it, which that's the only part I actually do like about the movie is that like yes, the acting is I mean, I I wouldn't even call it Hallmark because that would be a disgrace to Hallmark movies, but at least there's a little bit of plot in there where that I can go behind. Then there's a random subplot that doesn't even get brought up again, where like, as we mentioned most of the time, Lisa is always talking with her mother. They're having, I believe, tea, and the mother just says, Well, I got the results back, I definitely have breast cancer, and it's never brought up again. I was like, What what's going on here? Because I don't know. Like, again, it was supposed to be a little subplot.
SPEAKER_01Um, it's supposed to be something like uh according to the disaster artist film, um, the actress who plays the mother actually asks um Tommy and was like, What's the point of this whole breast cancer subplot? And he goes, something along the lines of it's a plot twist or something. She's like, Well, why doesn't it get brought up again? He doesn't answer that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because the other thing is that like I've taken multiple script writing classes, and even if you're not a filmmaker, you know that like the one of the things about um the writing is that the purpose of writing a character is you have to give them some development to the point of actually having something there that you resonate with that character. You don't get much of that with the mom. It's you you even act like Lisa at that moment where she says, I definitely have breast cancer. And Lisa doesn't even react that much either. Um, and it's like I'm I'm like, this is I feel like this is an insult to women who've actually had experience that I've had a cousin that's had breast cancer. I mean, she's been a remission for like 10 years now, praise the Lord. But I mean, it's I mean, because given from a guy who's lost his dad to uh a certain type of cancer, sometimes I can't deal with jokes like that. But I understand like it wasn't meant to be a joke either. It was supposed to be like a subplot. So again, I'm not like crapping on him for that. He because he because the thing is, I will say this is that Tommy Wise's head is uh and in part my French, but sometimes Tommy Wise's head can be up his ass sometimes because he writes and it's like what's happening here? Like again, I'm not trying to be mean to Tommy Wise. I know he's probably a really good guy, but I think like sometimes if you develop an ego like I've had throughout the years, sometimes you just like I don't know, you're not thinking clearly. But like I said, he wasn't meant to write that as a joke. He I know he meant to make this as a serious movie, it just unfortunately became that of a joke. But um, what are you gonna say?
SPEAKER_01Well, I was gonna say, funny enough, I mean, speaking of all this, um, he wrote it to to compare to the you know the classic stories that were written by Tennessee Williams, like a streetcar named Desire, which uh starred uh Marlon Brando, which is again a very, very influential actor for Tommy. Um, but uh I mean nowadays if you were to go to a QA with him and ask, um, did you just accept the fact that I mean it was it didn't go out the way you envisioned it? Like, was it's meant to be serious, but now everyone sees it as a black comedy. And he'll go on and actually say, I've always meant it to be a black comedy. So I mean, it he goes back and forth over what he really says in these interviews.
SPEAKER_00I mean, like I said, sometimes his head can go far up his ass. Um multiple I'm sorry, Mom, for saying all this, by the way. Um, but uh yeah, I mean, because the uh thing that is that like I'm trying to sing. Oh yeah, there's also just random football scenes in this movie. Um and there's not even the fact some scenes involve them wearing like what like a three-piece suit and passing the football around. Again, just random moments. And it's even brought up in the disaster the disaster artists as well. Eventually like when you get to the ending, like when there's fine that final confrontation between Johnny and Lisa and again that famous line you're you're tearing me apart Lisa. And he's just like destroying the room. But again it it can be comedic because the way he's trying to like I guess cry it just sounds like ah like it's it's just so oh my gosh. You know what I might actually just watch it after this because I'm thinking about it. It's like when I talk about a movie that I really really like or even sometimes I take a kick out of it's like man I should watch this movie now because it's like it has that effect on people.
SPEAKER_01I mean that's what a good movie does or a movie with effect on you but I mean you're probably gonna watch it after this is over so personally um watch it in parts and once you get to the sex scenes it drags so just skip just flash forward that yeah or just just put on mute and be on your phone because that's all I did when when those scenes came up I was like no forget this I'm not doing that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah the thing is that like it's just again out of nowhere they take forever um and like I said you just more see uh you see more of uh Tommy Wise's back end than longer than you think you should have which is not at all um so yeah the um as far as I know Tommy I don't think anybody else has ever done another film I know Tommy and Greg were supposed to do what like a shark film a long time ago that just never got brought up again.
SPEAKER_01Um so uh just to add to that real quick um it's I mean the movie was finished and there's the they just have special um double features with it they they just put it next to the room so people can watch the new shark film they made um and then they can watch the room so I mean uh there's there's gonna be a screening in Dallas uh I actually was looking at it this this afternoon too I looked at the website of him of his another rabbit hole um but uh like yeah he's he's he's actually that movie's done uh they've been doing screenings but they just do road show stuff so like I don't ever see it coming out to like uh was it statewide I don't see it doing that they just they're just gonna if they show up to San Antonio well that's your chance if they don't they don't yeah and I know they did a movie called Best Friends which can have yet to see but I kind of I'm kind of interested um probably somewhere on the line of like the room I guess honestly um it has a genuine story like at least a genuine plot that you can follow with and uh again it wasn't directed by Tommy or Greg um but I mean the director I forget the person's name at the moment but that director really did use them well so as uh again Tommy is Tommy so sometimes you'll you'll you you'll get a kick out of him when you're hearing him and stuff it's just funny but uh yeah like the actual film is pretty enjoyable really it really is the other thing I will say though is that like I mean once that once this movie ends um again you'll still get a kick out of it I mean the last scene was Tommy Wise where again he's just tearing the room apart because he's so um distraught about everything that he's just realized but it's also like he let's put it this way it looks like he's making love to a dress even though I don't think that's really what it meant to be because um he buys this not not a dress a oh it's like a lingerie dress kind of a thing I I would say because he says like I can't he's like put this on and then I can't wait to take it off of you or like early on in the movie and then he says and then obviously he still has that dress supposedly the actress wanted to keep that dress which is what they put in the disaster artist I don't think she ever got that dress in the um he just says God forgive me and then like what the disaster artist put in there was that everybody was cheering on him to blow himself up with the gun or shoot himself up with the gun.
SPEAKER_00Kind of a messed up thing to say but just the way people reacted and then you know he shot himself and you would think that's the end they come in and they're like yeah I'm pretty sure he's dead I'm like he probably has a hole in the back of his head and you don't think he's alive and then it's funny because that's that the moment where um Mark was like yeah yeah like he literally puts this all on Lisa because Lisa is supposed to be like the main band in this entire movie. And it's like even serious moments are just random like especially about violence because like that famous scene that we that I just mentioned in in the beginning of the podcast the I Did Not Hitler is not true. The story was talking about like um what was it like he it was this one girl who dated like multiple guys or something like that. Yeah so I think I'll try to refer back to this to the actual line but I mean Greg is like saying something about I used to know this girl she uh she had a dozen guys um well one one of the dates went so bad uh one of the guys actually beat her up so bad that she ended up in a hospital in Guerrero Street and then you just have Tommy go ha ha what a story mark yeah that's uh like I said some of these lines are memorable some of them for the wrong reasons um some of them for the funny reasons like we said because I mean yes this it's these lines that people will resonate with even if like you've never seen the movie these lines have had to pop up somewhere like um I would say man maybe like when um what's his face going back in 2017 before even before the disaster artists um or maybe around the same time um not the rise of Skywalker the last Jedi came out and when you finally see Luke's face you just get timing wise else oh hi Mark given of course if you know Mark Hamill was uh obviously the guy who played um Luke Skywalker which uh just for an information if you ever want to see Mark Hamill at a convention I have yet to meet him I don't think I ever will um but just be aware that his is like between 400 to 700 to meet him like I say yeah like your only chance are like the bigger conventions like New York Comic Con San Diego Comic Con but even those are cost you an arm and leg literally um I I always say man I wish I I wish I met James James Daryl Jones the one person but uh but you know meeting Tommy Wise that would be an interesting thing I could just imagine if he was at a convention and just the line that he would be at I'm I'm just imagining like how big that line is I mean I've I've been to many conventions where the line is like a crowd. I mean Batista the Hardy brothers um who else there's a lot of them Jeff Goldblum um I'm pretty sure Arnold Schwarzenegger's was because even though Arnold Schwarzenegger's was like a private room and I'm just having a weird flashback right now so I I work at this place if you're not from San Antonio um we have this place called the Alamo Dome the Alamo Dome is where we have all the big events if it's like way over 10 10 to 20 thousand seats there was a convention there and I'm just remembering the rooms would be like oh that's where the the big panels were at like that's where I'm pretty sure Arnold Schwarzenegger's room was at and that's where um you know we met to the other panels and stuff like that. It's a big flashback I'm having like seven years ago right now. But back to it I'm pretty sure and I would love again I would love to have a meet and greet with Tommy Wise though and just having like the most weirdest conversation you could ever have. I don't think he does but I mean it would be interesting. I'm pretty sure the normal questions he would get is where are you from how old are you the nor the normal stuff because like I said that's he's a big mystery. But all I can say is um oh hi Mark yeah I'm just I'm just dragging along unless you got anything else about the the movie you want to share.
SPEAKER_01Um I mean we kind of said everything we were like everyone's been said uh I guess I could say like how I actually got introduced to the room. So uh believe it or not um I I used to I I mean I I would watch Cartoon Network and stuff like that right growing up and they had adult swim in the evenings. So sometimes I'd be I would sit for a little bit watch a little bit of what's Family Guy or what was Futurama or what was uh King of the Hill and then I would go to sleep at around 10 o'clock I'd I'd miss all the other stuff. Well um there was only one day out of every year I would try to stay up uh past my usual curfew time and that was when they had the uh April Fool's um programming because uh adult swim is pretty pretty was pretty well known for that stuff I mean that they still are um but yeah it's like one of those things where they like imagine you're watching uh Family Guy and um that April Fool's um programming is just like every every single episode from Family Guy and whatever show they air after is just nothing but fart noises. So anytime the audio is supposed to be them talking it's just fart noises. That was just a simple little joke that they would do and every year was different. So Barton I think it was 2011 2010 um I didn't know what their uh April Fool's joke was gonna be so I stayed up for the usual time and I think it was around 11 o'clock um that I would hear the very opening sequence. They actually aired like maybe the first five or ten five five no sorry the first two or three minutes of the room. So I saw the screen I saw the titles opening credits and I saw you know I saw I see the room and I'm like what's the room um and uh you know I look it up later on and uh that's how I I found out what it was etc I didn't see the movie because uh as I said it only showed the first three minutes apparently for three straight April Fool's um jokes they would air the room so instead of you seeing Family Guy or the newest episode of Rick and Morty not Rick and Morty but you know what I mean like the newest episode that you wanted to watch it was the room so it would upset people because they're like oh we watched this film three years in a row now so the last that after the fourth consecutive year everyone's like oh great it's the room you know it's the internet they're saying it's the room again why are we watching the room psych uh after those three little minutes uh end it transitions to tom if anyone as recognizes tunami as they grew up watching anime um it literally it literally says the room now available on DVD and it just cuts to Tom saying well you guys it's actually uh what a what a great April Fool's joke guys we're actually gonna put on toonie and keep in mind for those who grew up during that time to me ended like five or six years uh before that so we didn't get to nami for five or six years and then on that April Fool's joke the April Fool's joke was you guys are getting classic to Nami. So for the rest of the night it was literally nothing but classic anime and then that's what started the whole craze of hey uh let's bring back to I mean now now it's it's a staple. Now on Saturday nights you can watch the newest episode of uh was it Demon Slayer uh and whatever whatever was whatever's being aired uh with tsunami at that time so yeah uh that's how I first got introduced to the room and then I started looking it up and yeah it just became a rabbit hole and of itself.
SPEAKER_00Yeah and then Assus introduced me to the room around the same time the disaster artist came out and then I saw it and I think I don't remember what I said to you directly I said something about like it's making my ears bleed or something like that. And like that just lets you know what kind of how I felt um one last thing I guess before we go on break and we could talk a little bit about the disaster artist and what else I got for the podcast.
SPEAKER_01If you ever watch any outdoor scenes from the room you can tell most of those aren't even outside like just look at the background and you're like is this a background is this outside or is this a green screen most likely it's two of two of the others but um yeah um sorry you go go ahead keep going my bad I think that was about it no I was gonna add one last thing since you brought it up so you know this the scenes where they look like they were shot on green screen in the background um so yeah I mean the funny the funny thing enough is it's it's so weird I don't know why he does this um but the disaster artist even brought this up but I mean you're shooting outside on a roof at least that's the setting he owns a building and at that time he still owns a building to this day right there's a building he owns um he doesn't actually sell stuff anymore like he used to like physically like at a physical store for right he sells stuff online now but uh that that building is now either like um a studio uh so people can use it for like art stuff or whatever uh I think a pizza restaurant is at the is at the first floor along with the international spy store so I guess like if you remember the the spy museum kind of thing uh so anyway businesses are there another reason another way of possible income that he's receiving um and the background funny enough from the movie when they're in the rooftop that whole background of the of San Francisco landscape is actually what the rooftop of his building looks like so I don't know why he just he he decided it would be okay to go ahead and not do the rooftop in his building but go ahead and take the the the landscape view of san francisco and then just edit and post edit and put that as the green screen it's just it's just so wild like I don't know like why waste that money like you had you had a building but hey that you know that's just Tommy for you.
SPEAKER_00Yeah um I I'm just I'm just baffled at this point. I I don't know maybe he just wanted to stay in the the studio because majority of this was on all in the studio but I don't know we'll we'll talk about it more um we're gonna go on another break right now all right we're back and um so in 2017 James Franco came out with I was gonna say the room James Franco came out with the disaster artist which is the making of the room um we've met we've brought it up a bunch of times so in case y'all don't know this um James Franco plays Tommy Wiseel Dave Franco plays Greg and uh what I do know is that um when Tommy Wise was brought up was like if there's anybody that can play you Tommy who do you want to play you one of them being and weirdly enough I kind of mentioned the joke a while back one of them being um Johnny Depp and then the other one being James Franco. James Franco is the only one that actually said yeah I'll do it he he said I'll also direct it as well um somebody else I don't know who but somebody else wrote the the screenplay because this was based off a book by Greg um about his experience and just like what um as he said even the book is vague on a lot of things um but it's interesting how like even if this all doesn't happen it's it's interesting how they met because they met in um drama class Tommy did a a scene from a streetcar named desire by um Marlon Brando which we've mentioned in before that was Tommy Wazell's like role model as well as I guess his favorite film and if y'all don't uh man I haven't seen a streetcar named desire but if you've ever heard somebody yell out Estella that was um that was from a streetcar named Desire and they were Tommy Wazell I guess was doing that scene but all he kept saying was Stella and just very overdramatizing that that scene because like and I guess that's where they actually meet because um I think what what Greg loves is that how fearless Tommy was on like performing because as I said in the beginning um the acting gigs the directing gigs the writing gigs everything involving filmmaking even uh what is it theater production or local theater that's a it's a it's a tough um it's a tough industry to get to it's a competitive industry you gotta stand out a lot more um which again why I commemorate Tommy for making a movie even though yeah like it didn't come up with the what he wanted to receive but he he did what he what he set out to do and it shows like the disaster artist actually shows like how competitive it is and how like good you have to be because there's scenes where like they're at auditions and they're they're telling Tommy like we we can't hire you because you have this accent that we don't know about and then can you at least try to lose the accent and that accent is still brought up to the point where it's like Tommy's like you know what I'm gonna write my own movie and it took him uh what like three years to m to write the whole script because well I mean in the movie it looked like it took three years because they've been in the 90s. Yeah because it was just a random encounter too one of my favorite scenes is that like um they agree to go to uh Tommy's place in San Fran and um Greg's mom was like why are you just going on a road trip with this random dude that you just met that we we don't know god knows how old he is and um and it's like how old are you is like oh uh I'm Greg age oh you're 19 well I just turned 14 oh happy birthday like that's and you know the journey goes on from there and um you see like the production hell of the room again when you watch most um like based on a true story kind of films um you know everything can be overdramatized or um like when we mentioned Amadeus how like everything not everything was um you know actually happened a lot of it was just you know based on the screenwriter um on what he put it in because the screenwriter was also the playwright which Amadeus was based off of and then again story kicks there he makes this movie he wanted Greg to be part of it because Greg's been there since the beginning and I believe they're still friends to this day and you know we get the making of the room and then there's that scene in the room that I didn't even well yeah in the room that I didn't even know took 200 takes or well with if it was Stanley Kubrick it would definitely be 127 or 100 was it 127 takes of the shining it was okay which is funny because I'm bringing up 127 127 hours which was a James Franco movie I don't realize how many connections are there. And if we're going back to what do you mean by 127 tick with Stanley Kubrick it's because I'm thinking sorry I'm thinking of the wrap out to like actually help me out do another tick and get it right 100 or the 147 times. Yeah so uh it's 127 times oh okay yeah sorry so if you're going back to it um the scene was I believe Jack going through the door in the shining took 127 ticks uh I think I think that might be true. I mean I've heard uh another another version of that which is like 127 times of um of shit of um sorry of when uh uh I I'm already drawing a blank um of when when Jack is trying to basically like uh grab the axe from uh his wife so uh she's going up the stairs you know and she's trying to say like get away from me and he's like I'm not gonna hurt you you know that apparently took 127 takes it might be that then but um yeah anyway that's that's what I that's what I mean by like 127 takes of like of um them trying to get that one line that I did not hit her part to the point where Greg just gives him a water bottle and apparently it works because it's it's always funny it's like what's the line I did not hit her I did not it's not true I did not hit her I did not oh hi Mark like and then it's like action say action louder so I can hear you oh my oh man I'm just imagining that I'm just remembering that time we were watching that in the theater too like what is line what is lying and I think if if I'm not mistaken I think the jacket that he was wearing was just something he just randomly found and went into the screen because I think that was his first um his first time recording because what they said was the first uh scene they recorded was um when uh Danny was confronted by the drug dealer which is funny that he's played by Zach Efron and then Danny was played by uh Josh Hutcherson and uh yeah that's a very interesting scene if you if you ever want to check out the disaster artist I don't know where you can find it um wherever a twenty foot There because yeah, A24 does a lot of good films. Yeah, and then obviously, like, there's there's I guess a little subplot between Greg and his girl, how his girl is the only one who knows, like, this is just gonna be a piece of shit movie, and even Greg knows that too. And do you know if there was actually any evidence of like him being confronted by uh Brian Cranston on doing the Malcolm in the Middle uh episode? Because I know that was put in there for the movie.
SPEAKER_01I'm not entirely sure. Um I I haven't read the Disaster Artist in a in a long time. Um, so I mean I I can't recollect that.
SPEAKER_00Damn, okay. I was hoping there was something there, but in case y'all didn't want to know, like Greg um one uh ran into um Brian Cranston before um breaking back because this was when he was still doing Malcolm in the Middle. And Greg at that time had a beard, and he was supposed to shave his beard um for the role of Mark. And um Brian Cranston liked that he had this beard because I think there was an episode of Malcolm in the Middle. And forgive me, guys, I have not seen like every episode of Malcolm Malcolm in the Middle. I've only seen like the most, maybe like eight episodes, and it was just all in random orders. So it's like one episode I'm watching where like Frankie Muniz is like eight years old, and then next thing you know, I'm watching another episode when he's like 14. And still throughout all this season, I'm the brother is still in military school for some reason. Um, but apparently, like there was an episode, and um if anybody's watching this, please comment if this was an actual episode because I might not actually look this up. Where like um they get every everybody gets lost at a camping trip and they need the help of a lumberjack, and Greg had the lumberjack um look. Well, Greg wanted to ask Tommy, hey, can you postpone the this scene of me shaving my beard for another day? And Greg's and Tommy's like, I'm sorry, I can't, I can't do all of this scheduling. Because guys, the scheduling in this movie was way behind schedule. I'm talking like almost two months behind schedule. And um, and you know, there was this argument to the point where like Greg's like, okay, I guess I'll stay for the movie, and like you just see them shaving his beard, and he's just pissed off his mind. Because the purpose is basically Greg only did this because he wanted to be an actor, and then an actual acting opportunity comes up, especially for a big show like Malcolm in the Middle, which is I'm questioning why it's coming back. Again, I wasn't a huge fan of them of the show, but again, why you gotta bring it back now? But Malcolm in the Middle was a hit back then, and for Greg to be on that, just think about it, but that moment taken away from him. I understand his frustration. I know you were gonna say something.
SPEAKER_01Well, I I mean, I just I just kind of looked it up real quick. Um, no, that that scene um isn't really talked about in the book, or at least it's not it to that dramatic effect. Um, so Greg, Greg kinda mentions, at least in the book, that it it didn't really occur. Uh, or at least when when he was asked later on when the movie came out if that was a real thing, and he was like, No, not really. He never got an actual meetup with him, or he didn't really get a call to get into uh Malcolm in the middle.
SPEAKER_00I don't know, that would have been an interesting story though, but I mean good for side plot, I mean good for plot reasons. Um, yeah, there again, everything that's always brought up is brought up like um Jackie Weaver who plays the the mom and or who plays the actress and the mom who plays the mom in the room. There's so much to say, and like she's always bringing up like it's a subplot that doesn't get brought up again. And it it I always think it's funny how like when you watch the um the disaster artist and you watch the the credits role, you see like them like reenacting the scene side by side, and it's also interesting how like you even get the movements, like there's a scene where like um Mark kind of like sits back and he rolls his eyes this way, and then they did the same thing. Dave Franco kind of like leans back and rolls his eyes in the same way. I don't know why I'm saying this way, but most of y'all are just gonna hear me. Y'all don't know which way I'm talking about. So let's put it this way. Um, from if you're watching the screen, his right, yeah, or no, yeah, the right. Both the sides are are on the right side. I'm trying to think like his right, our left. It's hard to mention something like this. And then obviously the famous scenes like, You're tearing me apart, Lisa. Why are you so hysterical? Oh my gosh. I I don't think that was part, I don't think that was part of the actual script. I'm pretty sure she was actually asking, Why are you being so hysterical? Because even I would be asking that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, um but like you understand life, do you?
SPEAKER_00Pretty much, yeah. So it was a great movie. I I really enjoyed it. Um, what was I gonna say? Um, uh like I said, we were like we said earlier, we thought, like, oh, maybe they uh James Franco could finally get another Oscar nomination because he hasn't he literally has not had one since um 127 hours for best actor. Um, but if you've known about James Franco for years, you know that he's had allegations for like the past seven years, and the allegations came up during the time of Oscar um vote. So there's two different types of Oscar votings. There's the voting on who should we nominate, and then there's the Oscar voting on who should win. And during the time of voting who should get nominated, that's when the allegations came in, and that's why he didn't get nominated for best actor. The movie did get nominated for best adapted screenplay, and um, yeah, that's all it got nominated for. James Franco did eventually win um the best best actor in a motion picture comedy or musical that has a mouthful to say for um the disaster artist at the Golden Globe Awards, and he brings up Tommy Wiseau. Um funny enough, when he brought up Tommy Wise, Tommy Wise tried to take the mic from him, but um, yeah, and then in the background you just see it's the rhythm of the night, which is played at the credit. And then if you ever stay at to the end of the movie, um you just see um Tommy Wiseau at the end of the movie, like Tommy Wiseau, and then James Franco playing Tommy Wiseau, and then you just see the two, you know, interacting with each other. It's it's literally Tommy Wiseau talking to Tommy Wise.
SPEAKER_01He's like, he's talking to him, he's asking, Where are you from? And he's like uh Charlemagne, uh or sorry, not Charlemagne, uh Charlotte, New Orleans, and um he goes, he like he basically bugs him off. He says, like, I don't want to talk to you right now. So then the the real Tommy, um, he's like, People are very strange these days. Oh, hi, Betty.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, man, yeah, y'all should check both out, um, just for the fun of it. But yeah, finally gotta do do the room. Um, been been holding it off for a while, but I finally got a chance to do it. Um, as for the future of the podcast, we still don't know. I still don't know what I'm doing for next episode. I said I got a couple of ideas. I might do the Hobbit um after Thanksgiving break. Because this will not be coming out till after Thanksgiving because um I just choose not to release it around that week. I just want people to relax, enjoy that weekend off, or just that weekend, because a lot of people are off of school and work and stuff like that. And I just want to enjoy my Thanksgiving break off. Well, so you'll be getting this after Thanksgiving. So happy Thanksgiving, everybody. Um, and then I'll probably either I know I mentioned I wasn't gonna talk about the Hobbit, I probably will, but definitely that this the next one, if I can get anything done, we could I'm planning on doing a um a Christmas game show or a Christmas movie game show for for uh the Christmas episode before we can go on the the Christmas break because um this is all inspired by a different podcast. I'll explain it a lot in a little bit. Well, now if we do this, I'll explain why um I was inspired by this because it was like one it's like one of those things where it's like, what am I gonna do for the holiday version of our podcast? I've never done a Christmas episode before. Um I never I tried doing Halloween episodes and I can never get them out in time, except this year. But this Christmas episode, I'm literally like, I am gonna do this, even if it kills me, which I hope to god it doesn't. But um, yeah, all I could say is um oh, happy Thanksgiving. Why did I draw a blank there? I was also trying to think of a a clever room uh line to say goodbye, but I can't think of anything.
SPEAKER_01I got it, I got it. What um he says something along the lines of uh if the world uh if the world were to love each other, or no, sorry, if everyone were to love each other, the world will be a better place to live.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Which is interesting because we uh given like past current events within these past two months, we kind of need that. Um, like I said, 2025 hasn't really been the best year. Um, even for me, uh I'm not I'll explain in the next two episodes on why that is. Um, but yeah, you guys, I I love you guys. Happy again, third time, happy thing. Oh, I got I got I got it. Happy Thanksgiving. Trying to say like Tommy Wise though. Um, but remember you guys are wonderful. What?
SPEAKER_01Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off there. Um, I'm just trying to remember something that he did say, he said sometimes in a couple of like interviews or QA's. He tells everybody at the end, he's like, I remember, be good.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's actually a good one too. Um, you guys have a great night, day, morning, whenever you're finished. Um we're coming off.