Episode 49

Gilbert talks about the 30 year franchise of Scream. 

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Alright, and uh welcome to the podcast, everyone. So I think I'm gonna switch this up a bit. So I said that I was gonna do like go from Friday the 13th, Oscars and Scream and then uh the final episode of the season. That's uh I'm actually just switching it up a bit because um it's just that was the Oscars. I'm trying to see if I can get um Omar again, but if it's gonna take a while, I'd rather have this recorded first and then the Oscars. So it's probably just gonna be like the recent episode was Friday the 13th Scream and then Oscars, and then we could do our last episode of the season. But yeah, so in all reality, I actually did not want to do this episode at all, but there's still so much to talk about. I thought about or I actually did an episode like this a while back, but I never had a chance to what's the word? I didn't get a chance to like get it out there, and I think I just moved on. I actually had like I was in a studio that had a so the school that I went to had a had a podcast studio, and I was in there for that episode specifically, for an episode that I never got a chance to um release, and now I'm just back in you know my version of this, but um okay, so we're gonna talk about Scream. I saw the recent film actually the day it came out, but I saw like in the morning, which can probably tell you enough to be like why I chose to watch it in the morning, not like in the day or night that a lot of fans would like to watch it at. Look, I got some thoughts on this one, but I just more of want to talk about the 30-year anniversary of Scream. So, yeah, in case y'all don't know, this Scream turns 30 this year, which is scary because I'm gonna be 30 this year, so I'm literally just as old as this franchise, and it's pretty funny because it's called itself a franchise if in the movie. So let's just talk about it. I'm not gonna like do the whole plots of every film, mostly because like I don't remember too much of part four. I've only seen like little pieces of it, and then I think I saw the whole one, but I don't remember. And then I kind of part of me also wants to forget Scream 7, which again lets you know already out the bat what I think about the movie. I completely forgot a little bit more of Scream 6. Scream 5 I can't forget about because it was actually really good. Because it's just like Freddy the 13th, Scream isn't my kind of a franchise. I'm not a big uh Scream guy. I love Matthew Lillard though. I met Matthew Lillard, I think I mentioned that. In case y'all haven't known, I met Matthew Lillard, and again, people are gonna be like, Gilbert, who haven't you met at this point? Uh that's a good question. Um, I've met a lot of folks at conventions. I guess it if to get back with you on the Tom Morgan thing that I said, did kind of meet Tom Morga. It was at his uh QA panel I was asking about stunts and all that, and he just gave me, you know, his answer. And then I didn't know this, but Tommy Lee Wallace, who was with him, for those who don't know, Tommy Lee Wallace was the director of Halloween 3 as well as um it in 1990. He was also the uh what do you call it? He was the costume designer and production designer for Halloween 1978, as well as like he did the t he did some test screenings while he's playing Michael Myers, which they use in the film. It's like when he's breaking through the closet. But he gave me some advice, which I didn't think I was that was gonna happen, but that was really cool. But yeah, to my point, or going back to it, so we're gonna talk about 30 years of scream, we're just gonna do this by I guess sections, depending on how I'm releasing that. So I like to just do this as like with the meta thing that we're going with. So Scream, I'm gonna talk about the original trilogy of Scream, and then I'm gonna talk about Scream 4, and then the rest of it, probably Scream 5 and Scream 6, and then I'm gonna probably have a whole segment about Scream 7 and where I go from here with the series. So let's just talk about it. So Scream, as we all know, is a very famous horror franchise that talks about its meta, meta meaning like you know, it talks about itself kind of in a way. It's like a story within this, it's in a universe. So basically it's a horror film, but it's more like you know, people who are obsessed with film and horror films, and you know, there's so many lines and references of you know past horror films too. A lot of some of it being a nightmare on Austria, because in case y'all forgotten Wes Craven directed first four movies, and of course he directed a nightmare on Austria, which is his more favorite one. It's like the thing with the series though, is that like it's kind of consistent up until the seventh film. And the thing though is that like it's technically it doesn't have a remake or a legacy sequel within the film, and though even though they've mentioned both, you know, it was in the series, that's kind of what what makes this series good is that it's pretty like meta. Now, if they ever actually went full, full more meta, we're talking like Wes Craven's New Nightmare, where it's like Nev Campbell is playing herself, but now she's like the official target of you know, like fans of or a fan of the series. You know, if they want to go that route, that would be cool, it would just be difficult. But uh yeah, so let's just talk about the original trilogy. I like the original trilogy, even the third film, even though I know the third film has all its problems. So let's get to it. Scream the original 1990, and like I said, I'm not going to the plots. Uh Scream the Original 1996 is of course meta. It's kind of like an homage to Slashers. It actually revived the genre because the genre was dying. Cause like I don't know too much about the child's play films, and around this time, Halloween was actually pretty dead. Even a nightmare on Elm Street and Jason like Friday the 13th was also dead. Like people just didn't watch slasher films anymore. I think maybe because if I can I believe like between Child's Play 3 and Bride, I think there's like a maybe an eight-year gap, if I'm mistaken. Because I don't think the new one came out. I don't think like Bride didn't come out until I think 1988, so two years after Scream. But no matter what, this was a dead genre. Like nobody liked the slashers at this time, you know. So Kevin Williamson, the writer, he heard about like a mysterious killing involving a phone call, and that that somehow prompted him to write like the the intro, just the intro scream, and then it eventually carried on to a full horror film. And Wes Craven, you know, when he got the script, I don't know, I don't remember too much about like the first intro. All I know is that Wes Craven wanted to do this one, and he wanted to have Drew Barrymore part of the project because Drew Barrymore was kind of becoming this new soon-to-be up and coming, you know, person. And I mean she did E.T. back in 1982. I bet a lot of people didn't even know that. And she's done a lot of other films. I think like she was already famous for a film called Poison Ivy, which is like one of those film fatel Lolita uh kind of film. If y'all don't know what a Lolita is, I think I don't know too much of it, but it does involve like seduction involving a young girl, a teen probably to an older man. Like that's what it is. So, you know, he wanted to use Drew Barrymore, and Drew Barrymore was all over the merchandise, not the merchandise, but the marketing and stuff like that. And her character gets killed off in what, like the first 10 minutes of the movie? And it was a shock. I know there was also some inconsistencies, like who was it? I think Skeet Ollrich had like facial hair in the posters and all that, but then in the movie he's like cleanly shaven. But yeah, this was like the first time like a killer was in meta saying, like, you know, the killer wants to be like Freddy and Jason and all that. Again, in meta, it's fictional in their universe, but they still become killers and stuff like that. And I say they because we know the story. Skeet Ulrich and Matthew Lillard, who are Billy Loomis and Stu Mocker in the in the series or in the film, are the killers. Now it's implied that um Billy Loomis was the main one, and Stu, I believe, only killed two people. And what's interesting is that this the script writing from Kevin Williamson gave us like a final girl that we kind of like feel for because she's you know Sydney is just a high school girl who was in that year. She is um she is still trying to reel in with the murder of her mother, which believe she's the she saw like she walked in her house and saw her mother dead, which we eventually find out like that was Billy and Stu, or because um Sydney's mom, Maureen Prescott, uh had an affair with uh Billy's father, which prompted Billy's mother to leave. And then yeah, Billy just finds out and kills uh Sydney's mother, and then a year later they decide to just do it again, but start this whole spree of killings as ghostface. Now, if you've ever noticed the the mask is a little bit different from the beginning of one, and then it's becomes similar from this next half of uh Scream 1 all the way to the recent film. I think it's because like um the mask that they were using and they are I think they already started using it, or it could be switched around. I just know that like the mask belonged to a different costume uh company, and while they were using it, they found out they weren't allowed to use it, so they decided to switch it mid-production and they just never what's the word? They just never fixed it, like they never went back and redid the opening, or it could be the other way around where it was um they got the mat they wanted the mask they wanted, but they weren't allowed in the beginning, so they used an alternate and then the company was like, ah, you could use it again, mid mid-production, they just didn't fix it, but anyway, um I that's I think that's what it is, but I could be wrong, so just let me know. So the interesting thing is that Cindy's like a final girl that actually fights back, and it's because like she's a final girl, how most people what's the word can relate to or can understand because she knows like you know the the problem with slasher phones, which makes fun of itself, is that there's usually some girl or somebody that there's usually a girl in these phones, sometimes they could be sexist, um, and that's just for the fun of it. But you know, there could be a girl that trips and falls and then just stays there as the killer who doesn't even run, just walks towards them. Yeah, that's that's she she has a point, or it's like she she's in the house and she decides to run everywhere else except the front door. But yeah, she's a girl, she's a final girl that fights back is because she's forced to be a final girl. Because remember, this is a meta film. I'm probably gonna be talking about this a lot. Um, and it it's also said like she was a virgin in the beginning, and then towards the end, because you know what they say, like the final girl is usually the virgin, which cause like Jamie C Kennedy, who played you know Randy, said there are rules to survive in a horror film, you know. Number one, don't have sex, number two, don't be doing drugs and alcohol and stuff like that. And number three, don't ever say, I'll be right back, because he won't, you'll be dead. And then of course Stu makes fun of that. He's like, I'll be right back. Yeah. So, you know, and then you also have Courtney Cox playing Gail Weathers and then David Arquette playing Dewey. Um, I know at this point Courtney Cox is already doing Friends. Uh I think she was already in like three s two or three seasons at this point. She's kind of unsufferable in the beginning of the movie. In the first movie, she's unsufferable because all she wants is just a story from City, who's I mean, like she's been attacked. She's witnessed her mother die, you know, in universe a year before this film ever and before the film ever began. So yeah, you know, and then she nearly gets killed like so many times. Dewey, on the other hand, he nearly gets killed a lot up until the fifth film. And the biggest problem was the first film, and they s they kind of bring it up and they delete a scene of of the fourth one, which they shouldn't have, and then they kind of make a little bit of an homage to it in um and what was it, Scream 5 is that Sydney's friend Tatum, who was also Dewey's sister, you know, she dies from you know the garage door. And um, she's never it's never mentioned after that, nor in the second film. They never bring it up. That's always been the biggest issue. I think uh even the actress herself, if I can remember, Rosie what oh man, hold on, who was this? Yeah, Rose McGowan, who a lot of fans will know her either from Scream or from um what was it? Uh Charmed, which my mom is a big fan of. Uh my mom loves Charmed, but it's never brought up again, even in the second film. And the second film, again in meta, it talks about sequels. How in the sequels the body counts are a lot higher. Um, it becomes more gruesome. And I forgot some of the other ones, but he I think maybe. I think one of them is like you just don't know, like, you know, who um like if anybody from a previous film can die. I think that might have been it. It's been a while since I've seen Scream 2, but if that is it, it kind of points out that like Randy, we knew at that point we should have known Randy was gonna die because Randy survived the first film and gets killed off in the second film by Billy's mother, played by uh Lori Metcalf. Lori Metcalf is also pretty famous already at this time because of uh what was it, the Roseanne show. I've never seen Roseanne, and nor have I seen the Connors. So if y'all are big fans of those shows, I'm sorry. Okay, I just never had a chance to. I I love John Goodman too. I'm not a big Roseanne person, and it's not because of the politics or anything. I just never I never found her funny, even when I saw her roast, um, I just didn't find it funny. Again, I know there's the fans out there. Um, if I was a critic, I'll I'll always say like I acknowledge there's fans out there, just know not everything's for everybody. But at this point, you know, who was it? Lori Metcalf might have been the um the pushing point, but it does again this this film does make fun of uh sequels, and sometimes it it points out to like sometimes the sequels can be better than the second film or they could be or they can be like not as good as the first film, which you know, watching it it's not as good as the first scream. And they're right, no, a lot of you know sequels aren't really the best ones. The only ones you could think of, uh obviously which they put in there were like Aliens, Terminator 2, Empire Strikes Back, and then obviously this movie came out decades before, um, well was decades beforehand, but The Dark Knight, which is the better sequel, it just varies. You know, some people like, and even I can say that I like Captain America Winter Soldier more than Captain America. I mean that was like the Russo Brothers uh introduction to um Marvel, which they did really well, but I think they're kind of getting carried away. But they make a point there. And then yeah, it's just the same thing, it's just like the killer is looking for Sydney, but is also making body counts. But this is like another time where we get two killers. Now, technically, technically it's just a one killer, and it's not Mrs. Loomis, uh Lori Metcalf's character. She only kills Randy in the film. It's actually Mickey, Timothy Olivan's character. Technically, he is the single killer. The reason why I say that is because once we get into Scream 3, you'll understand. But and and maybe some listeners can actually agree with me on this one because um, yeah, which I mean I feel like Ghostface should always be one killer, because I don't know, it would be interesting, but uh Mickey's just an obsessed fan of the staff film that's like in universe now, it's just basically like you know, Gail Weathers wrote the book and about like the the murders of Woodsboro, which is the town that comes in, and then knowing now that Sydney's in college and you know Mickey decides to just you know become the the copycat killer and start killing off everyone, and then yeah, Mickey wasn't really like the best uh ghost face, but I've seen better. Obviously, he doesn't hold it to Stu or to um Billy, and then once we get into more, there's another one, and I think y'all know who that one is. But uh yeah, it's the reason being why people have kind of questions and stuff like that is because Mickey isn't shown a lot in the movie, and the last time was in the the cafeteria scene where like Jack O'Connell's character, who's uh Sydney's new boyfriend, just you know, dances around, does a song and dance routine, and you just see Mickey just doing a weird dance. But uh yeah, and the thing is stab becomes a very like what's the word it becomes very prominent in this in this film, in this series, because stab is like becoming meta now. It's basically a movie, it's like becoming like Texas Chainsaw, except not really Texas Chainsaw. But yeah, so and Stab becomes a lot more prominent in um the next film. The next film has the man who was convicted for or who was falsely convicted for um uh Maureen Prescott's murder, uh Cotton Murray, I think that's what his what his name was. I know his name is Cotton, I just I think it's Cotton Murray, who was played by Leah Schreider. Um, he only appears in a news footage in the first film. He's all he's there a lot more in the second film. In the third film, he's there in the beginning, but he gets killed off, which is kind of like something that it's pretty interesting how like you can kill off a previous character from a previous film, but yet you you don't have the guns to go for your main, but he gets killed off by another ghost face with the different voice changer. Another thing that I have I forgot to mention, the voice changer, which is Roger L. Jackson's voice, which has been used all throughout the series. And if this might surprise you, Roger L. Jackson portrayed Mojo Jojo and the Powerpuff Girls, so it's kind of weird like how that that turned out, but um, and I think he said he's voicing who's he voicing? Oh, he's voicing Piglet in that um that twisted universe thing. I have never seen any of those films. The one that came close was um or Screamboat, but that wasn't like in that universe, that's just a separate yeah, movie that had David Howard Dorton who played Screamboat Willie or Steamboat Willie, sorry. But um it's interesting. This is also the third film. It's it's not even like Sydney's friends or anybody, it's just a casting crew that's getting killed, and um Sydney's hardly in this film, you know what I mean? Like the epic showdown is kind of questionable because she's never met her brother, which was Roman Bridger, who yeah, like who was a secret love child of Sydney's mom, and I think the producer of the staff films that's supposed to be like Weinstein, and uh it's so weird how they kind of got that super like um correct, knowing what Weinstein's gonna end up in the next couple of decades. But it I still enjoy that one. I think it was like the first sequel scream I saw, or maybe the first one, actually, I don't remember. So it's not that bad. I mean, watching it again, there's a lot of things that don't make sense, like what um James A. Janice put it out, like Gail who found supposedly a dead Roman in the freezer, she checked his pose, you know, and as if like he's not breathing, but apparently West Craven said there's a way to do that, but I don't know. And it it does change the story a bit because he said, like, he's the one that showed a video of Billy Loomis, like, or Billy Loomis's father to like his mother and stuff like that about the affair, and then of course there was all that because it sounds like he's a director, you know, he directs. So now that question is of who really started, was it Billy Loomis or was it Roman? You get what I mean? I feel like Roman is like the writer, even though he's a director. Roman's like the writer. Billy Loomis is the director, the one that started it all. And this is the third film, or is this the first film in the series that uh Kevin Williamson was involved in? They took it away from him. No West was the only creative to come back, and you can tell and that this went through a lot of rewrites because somehow the script kept getting leaked, even for the second film. So they had to come up with so many ideas, but what they got is what they got. Um, and I I'm okay with it. You know, I give credit, like I said, to Roman for being the only ghost face, like because he's the one that did all the killing. Like going to um Mickey from the second film, he's technically the sole ghost face. You get what I mean? Because there's no tag team between, you know, him and uh Mrs. Loomis. She only took out Randy. Um, Mickey took out pretty much the entire like victims of the series or of the film. And yeah, I think he did a lot more than Mrs. Loomis. Mrs. Loomis just followed um who is it? Um Gil around. And at this point, um, in real life, David Arquette and uh Courtney Cox were I think they were dating already. I don't know if they were married, but the it it kind of helps shows you like this the relationship between the two, like the backstory of them and then how they are in the film. It's kind of like how they it's it it matches, if you get what I mean. But yeah, I mean, and for a while, for I believe 11 years, it was untouched. And then I remember in um, you know what? I'll go back to this when I get back on when I come back from break. So I'm gonna go to break and then we'll talk more. Alright, and we're back. So scream four. Uh I remember so a long time ago, and this is just a weird thing to start off with. So yeah, I remember Spike, Spike TV before uh it became Paramount Network. Back then, Spike TV used to have an award show called the Scream Awards. Um they stopped, I think, the year screen four came out, but I remember back in like 2010, they were they gave like what do you call it, like a preview of the the next film. So so like it was Courtney Cox, Neff Campbell, David Arquette, and Emma Roberts. And they uh they were like just talking about, you know, the yeah, we're we're doing Scream 4. I have not seen Scream 4 for a long time, even when it came out, so I gave it a little bit of a watch, and it was pretty interesting. I can't say I predicted the killer, and part of me thought, like, there's gotta be a chance Emma Roberts' character is the killer, just because at some point in the trailer she says something, and if it maybe meant like, is she the killer? Because even something was like there's I have a feel because it could have been either Rory Culkin, which uh could have which was also true, or Eric Newton, uh he played the son Daniel in uh Saul 2. It could have been those two because they they know like or what's going on. They're like a different version of Randy. Cause um this one pokes fun of. Remakes because at this time remakes were happening. This the same year, this I think, yeah, no, a year after this was the Nightmare on Elm Street remake, which um you know we don't have to open up that door, and then before that was um Friday the 13th in 2007 we had the Halloween remake, and then uh in 2004 we had the Texas Chainsaw remake. We had a lot of remake slashers. The only ones we haven't had are definitely Slepaway Camp for obvious reasons, if you know about Sleepaway Camp. And then we I think we got Hellraiser back in 2022. We had a remake of Silent Night Daily Night, which a lot of people actually enjoyed. So not all remakes are bad, it's just some are bad. Most people forget the thing. 1982 is actually a remake from another film called Thing from a Different World. I believe it was 1956. Um, I know it's the 50s, I just don't remember what era, but I think it's 56. But the thing is a remake. And we had some we already had two remakes of um, what is it? Uh Black Christmas, neither could hold up to the original, um, especially the second remake. I don't want to fall into that one. But it talks about how like different the remakes are. The remakes um are more brutal, like than the original, because remember back then with slasher genre with uh with sequels, the NPA was all over these films, specifically Friday the 13th, which we never talked about. The NPA really like was onto them, even um the Texas Chainsaw films, they were just like you gotta cut off so much, otherwise this film could get an X-rating. And X rating is basically like not a lot of people are gonna be able to watch it. Um, you get what I mean? Like, there were only a certain handful of X-rated theaters, and X-rated theaters, adult films. I'm not saying corn, guys, because y'all ruin it for me, because I'm a guy who loves a look this. Just say adult film, adult content, adult videos. You don't have to say the other word that rhymes with the word that we can't say. People who love corn, like actually eating it on the cob with butter or again Mexican street corn, people who love that, y'all are ruining it for us, okay? Just say adult film, adult video, adult content, okay, mature video. Any of those would do. Don't use the other word that tries to rhyme with the word we can't say. To my point, X-rated films were in dirty movies uh theaters, and um, and yeah, but and but to my point, the NPA started getting a little bit lighter and lighter and lighter. Uh, even when the terrifier came out, like, dude, those films are you can watch them in any theater. Um, they just don't have a rating because they're unrated. Unrated basically it means like you know, it's not on the bad level of um X-rating or NC17, but it's definitely not close to an R rating because it was an R rating you you still get like um what's the word? Like marketings and stuff like that in other theaters. X-rating you don't, and that's kind of like with sequels, but in a lot of mono remakes, they're brutal as hell, guys. I mean, there's guts and intestines and like very like gory as heck, bro. And the people were all for that. I'm definitely not, but yeah, the issue was that remakes, I think they bring this up in the second film too, it's just the same story. You get what I mean? Because it's the same story for Scream 4. You know, a whole bunch of um high schoolers are getting killed, and yeah, that's about it by again a different by one of their classmates. And uh this is Sydney's cousin, I think Joe, I believe her name was, and um, I mean for a while it like it goes to to like it's directed in a way where like when I was watching it, you know, when I was watching the trailer, something in it told me Joe was the killer, but it was so directed in a way to where it's like, oh, maybe she's not, and then oh yeah, she actually is. So there was that. And for a while people thought Hannah Hayden Banateer's uh uh character. Kirby was dead. I mean, and then for a long time they thought maybe she didn't die, which they brought it up in Scream 6. Do kind of wish they brought her back for Scream 7, but uh it is what it is. It books fun of remake, you get what I mean, and things change. Nobody's safe in remakes, even the the girl that's not like the typical slasher girl, the one that gets killed, does get killed. Think back to Pat uh Daniel Panabaker from Friday the 13th remake. You get what I mean? Or even with like um who is it? Katie Cassidy's character in a nightmare on Elm Street. You know what I mean? Like she she didn't really do anything that says she's gonna get killed in that movie. Like I don't know if they didn't kill her because Ruoney Mara definitely didn't want to do the movie and it shows. So it it pokes fun of that and it it it tries to subvert other things of like you know, this is a remake, there are certain things that can prevent you from getting killed, like saying that you're gay, which that has there was no rule with that. But the interesting thing is that uh the thing with remakes that they always bring it up, you don't mess with the originals. But this is also about like, you know, being jealous of like you're you know, you're the cousin of Sydney Campbell, or Sydney Campbell is your cousin, and all that attention is just taken away from you, and you want that attention. Yeah. That's that's pretty much what what Scream Scream 4 is. The issue that I've had with Scream 4, and everybody has this, is the cinematography, the way it's looked, it's like looks so overexposed, it's just visually unappealing. The story is good, it even talks about how like they um and this is pretty common in most slashers where especially slashers that were built off a book, because like most most horror films, even basically horror films, most horror horror films they start off from a book, and then people just decided to make more films that weren't closely related to the book. Think of Jaws, the Exorcist, all that, and what was it like, you know, they stopped doing books about the Woodsboro killings and because Cindy uh Prescott did some suings in in Universe, and then apparently they did a lot of random STEM movies that weren't good, especially I think one that involves time travel and in space, but um, and then there was so so something more like beyond meta in the beginning, especially one that involved like Kristen Bell and Anna Pacquin's character. It's just so weird. But um the thing is the reason why I think I'm gonna tell you this. Jill, so Jill didn't do a lot of the killings in this film. I think she only did like two. Uh, one of them being Rory Cokan's character and the other one being her boyfriend. And a lot of people forget her boyfriend's name because he was just a character that was there to die. Because Rory Coke's character did all the killings. She but she was the mastermind behind all of this. You know, she was the more evil one, technically. So despite that, um, I think she also helped with the killing in the fur in the opening, the real opening scene. But really, she's just the mastermind, and Coke's character was just, you know, the puppet. No, she was the puppet master. But um, obviously she didn't get away with it. She eventually gets killed by a defibrillator. Um, and I think it was tough because like you think Sydney would have been able to actually kill her old cousin despite being Sidney Prescott? Maybe. And the thing is this film does like delve a little bit deeper into what's um David and Courtney's uh relationship. I don't know if they were already divorced yet or they were on the verge of divorce, but um I do know that like just as their relationship in the movie was straining, so was their relationship outside the film. And it is interesting because David or cat or Dewey becomes the cop again in this film, because in the past two, you know, in Scream 2, he was just someone that's there, you know, trying to look after Sydney, because I know his sister died in the first film. Again, they didn't bring that up. And then, you know, he becomes the security guard in Hollywood. And then and there's a deleted scene in the fourth film that talks about like how you know this all happened years ago when my sister got killed. They should have kept that in the film. Um, but yeah, the kills are pretty gnarly in this film, just as they are in the remakes, like there's blood all over a girl's room. While the Anthony Anderson's character gets stabbed in the head and just walks for like a good couple of steps. And then I think he even pulls the knife out of his head and was still able to walk. And then I remember everybody remembers this scene where it's like with Scream 4, Kirby gets the call, and Kirby's also a film enthusiast, and she's like and you know the ghost face in that film was like, you know, name every single horror remake and there was a lot of 'em. There was a lot of them. Hills have eyes is also another one. I I've forgotten about Let's You know sometimes, but yeah, so it's interesting how these films they tend to like be like, you know what? These three films were talking about a series, this one's talking about remakes, so let's make it look like it's a remake. West Craven knows what he's doing. Technically, this is his first remake. And why I say technically, it's because even though it's not an actual remake, it's still like to them a remake, like somebody's remaking a movie in their universe. And you know, you got that one girl, Jill, that's like supposed to be like the new Sydney. And I think there is a script where basically that Jill actually won. And then it was supposed to carry on with her character. And I guess some stuff didn't happen some stuff was happening. I think some of it involved Nith Campbell, I could be wrong. To where like they just killed Joe off. That would have been interesting, like, you know, kill off Sydney. You know, Joe comes out victorious, but then now she's getting haunted by Ghostface because now she's actually gonna get what she wanted. And I guess it wasn't supposed to be like, oh, it's not as cracked up as I thought it would be. But yeah, that's my thoughts. I mean, it's not one I tend to like go and revisit. But uh, I'm gonna take a break right now. And uh, yeah. Alright, and uh welcome back, guys. Uh, we're gonna do the Malesa Baretta films. So I remember when the announcement of oh yeah, we're gonna do a Scream 5, and you know, at this point I was kind of fatigued of Scream Films. Again, I wasn't a big fan of the series. And uh yes, and then when I saw the trailer, I was surprised that they were gonna have Jenna Ortega in the film for those that and I was already familiar with uh Jenna Ortega. Jenna Ortega did she used to be on Disney Channel called Stuck in the Middle, where she played a girl that's like the middle of her family. She has three older siblings and three younger siblings in a big Hispanic family. And I guess that's kinda like where she got her star, and then I think she appeared on You and then other films, like I think the Babysitter murder or the Babysitter Part 2, I think that's what it was called. And then there was also X, which she also starred in. I think that came out the same year as Scream 5, but I actually did not see it until a year later. I think I just wasn't really that interested. But surprisingly, I didn't get spoiled too much about who the killer was and stuff like that. The only thing I was spoiled was that Melissa Barreta's character, Sam, was the I think it's Sam, yeah, that was the daughter of Billy Loomis. And, you know, having that suppression of like, I don't want to have that mentality that my psycho father had. And this film Prox had uh pre not prequels, uh, though I'm surprised they haven't done that. They probably will. I'm not gonna lie, they're gonna do something like that. But requels or direct sequels, legacy sequels, that's what it pokes fun of. Legacy sequels or requels and stuff like that for those that don't know, it's just basically like it's a direct sequel from a very, very old movie. So I think Halloween 2018, that's a direct sequel to the first film, it ignores every other film aside from that. Or the Texas Chainsaw that also came out the same year. That's also a direct sequel to the first film and then ignores everything else, which I kinda wish they didn't, because in Universe we need Cha Top again in those films, all because I love Bill Mosley. But that's pretty much what it is. And you know, you know, we got uh Chad Meeks and I think Mindy Meeks or it's Meeks something, I don't remember their last things, but they're the niece and nephew of Randy Meeks and Mandy Mandy is um I think it's Mandy. Is it Mindy or Mandy? I think it is Mandy because I know like Randy's sister, who appears in the Scream 3, she's portrayed by Heather Maturazzo. She does come back for Scream 5, so yeah. Their last names are Martin, so it's Chad and Mindy meets Martin. And this is supposed to be like a new set of characters. It's like passing on the torch almost, was Sydney and Gail. Where it's supposed to focus on these new set of characters, and especially one that's like unsure, like I don't know if you know where I am because I'm the daughter of Billy Loomis. And then you get like Skeet Ulrich coming back as a ghost, and they're trying not to de-age him, just use like filming techniques and stuff like that. At a certain point, you're just gonna have to do that. Even though I hate, you know, de-aging, I really don't. At certain point they should have just done that because he doesn't look like a high schooler, you know what I mean? He looks a lot older. Not to say anything bad about Skeet Ulrich, but that's just how it was. But it's basically like a new set of killings that are happening. And there, you know, obviously we know the killers. That's the one thing I'm surprised. I didn't know that Mikey Madison and Jack Quaid were the killers, but obviously they gave off vibes, which you're right. And it's funny because like Mikey Madison's death in that movie was almost similar to Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, where she played one of the Madison girls, which got caught on fire. Um if you haven't seen Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, y'all should. But yeah, there was that. And it's supposed to be a passing of the torch, where it's like Sam Carpenter. And you know, she's supposed to be like, I guess the new Sidney, who's still dealing with stuff. And then at the end, you know, she does kill who is it? Her boyfriend, Richie. And uh yeah, like she kills her boyfriend Richie, who turns out to be, you know, a ghost face, which again it's kind of like you know. Because like she's brought into the film because her sister, again, played by Jenna Ortega, gets attacked by ghostface. She doesn't die, it's the first like opening where a ghost face attack, the person does not die. She gets seriously injured. Dewey does die in this film, and to a lot of people, they still can't believe that like Mikey Madison's character was the one that killed Dewey. Again, it it's also because like Jack Quaid's character, Richie, was with, you know, the carpenter sisters when Dewey died. And that's the only gall they had. And then at one point, like when we first see Dewey again, you know, he has, I guess, like a little what is it, like a plaque or something that commemorates Tatum, his sister. But yeah, again, this is one where they actually went the galls to actually kill off a main character. But it became such a success that they decided to make a sequel after that, because it was made by Radio Silence, who did uh Ready or Not, and was the new film coming out this year. Actually, I think it'll actually be released the same day Ready or Not 2 will come out. I'll be honest with you, and I I know I keep saying this, I was also not huge on Ready or Not. I think it was the ending that got me, but I'll give it another rewatch and I could probably have a different perspective, but I'll definitely watch Ready or Not 2. Maybe I'll like this one a lot more than Ready or Not, the first one. I have yet to see Abigail, sorry y'all. But to my point, Radio Silence does look like they know what they're doing as a great directing team. Because they did really good with this one and Scream 6 directing. I'll explain more, because the storyline for the sixth film is kind of for a lot of folks. The sixth film is the only one that does not have Neff Campbell as Sydney. Obviously, this is where we don't have Dewey anymore because he died in the previous film. Carney Cox does come back. The reason why Neff Campbell wasn't in there be is because of payment and stuff like that. Like she felt like she didn't get more than what she deserved for playing Sydney again. I'm not gonna get into that argument, but I think it's interesting. I think we need more movies like these where it doesn't have to be evolving around Sydney, and I'll talk about it later on. But yeah, so it just carries on of like the fact that she killed Richie in the previous film, she enjoyed it, and that's what scares her the most, is because she enjoyed it. She feels like she's becoming her father again. And that's a scary thing, because like Tara goes to school in New York and Sam follows her because she's very overprotective, but she should be. I have a younger sister, I know how this feels. The opening is very interesting because with um Tony Rivali's character, we thought, oh, like, we're gonna know Ghostface already in the opening act, because he kills off one of their teachers, and then him and his best friend are killed by the now supposed ghostface for the rest of this film. And Ghostface turns out to be the parent and the family members of Richie. And that's where the writing is kind of meant because this is kinda like where we already did this, you get what I mean? We already had the parent child ghost faces, even the sibling ghostface, you know, characters. You know, and we do get Kirby back, which is really cool. And the fact that like these ghost faces are wearing they didn't buy a new costume, they're wearing the costumes of past ghost face killers. You get what I mean? Like, it's very interesting and the look is so cool because it's all tathered in withered because obviously, you know, I guess the plastic or whatever, the material that they use for these masks, I mean the look can only look good for a certain amount of time. And it's because like the character of Richie's dad is a cop. He uses those skills to make Ghostface even more menacing. And we thought they were gonna kill off Gail. I mean, she gets dead, but she eventually does survive at the end. But it's very like and this is where they kind of started off with so are we going back to the theory, which back then there was a theory that uh Stu Mocker didn't die, which that was originally a script, that Stu Mocker survived his uh death, and that he's in prison and that he's controlling everything from behind bars with all the new ghost faces. They never did that because the idea got leaked, or the script got leaked, so they scrapped him. And then they hinted at maybe Stu Mocker's alive, because they saw a TV and they're like, Oh look, there's a TV that killed Stu Mocker if he's dead. You know what I mean? Like, some of the characters are pretty meh. That's the thing with most of these scream films is that we do get characters that are pretty meh. The next film definitely puts that in there. The next film had a lot of controversy, and I'll just talk about this one because I don't think I'm gonna go on break, but so much controversy behind the scenes of the next film. First of all, Radio Silence wanted to take a break, but the studio said no, we want to continue. And but Radio Silence was like, no, we want to take a break, we want to do more projects, which is one of them being Abigail, and studio's like, okay, so we're just gonna move on without y'all. And that's what they did. And then there was Melissa Barreta's you know controversy surrounding what happened with, you know, at that time, this is when like the war between Israel and Palestine was happening, or it just started, and you know, like you can have you know, you can speak about this situation if you truly know what's happening. I've already s I think I kind of mentioned this, I've spoken it out. I'm not for either government, it's the government that's of each side that I have the problems with. It's the people who I feel for the most. You get what I mean? But as soon as you have one opinion about this, your life is over at that point. You either get fired from your job, you get hate mails and stuff like that, because this film also or this series does talk about like toxic fans, toxic fandom, and when you're on the internet and when you have an opinion, it's real. Like it's real. To the point of like death threats and no doxing, like bro, like are you even a human being? You get what I mean? Because who was it? Who was the original director of this one? I think it was the director of Friday, not Friday, freaky. Let me see, because was it Christopher Landon that was I think Christopher Landon was supposed to be the director, and I don't know what the heck happened, but he got harassed on the internet. One of the problems I have with the internet is the toxic fandom. Again, to the point of death threats and stuff like that, like bro, how messed up are y'all? Man, like y'all need to chill, bro. Y'all need to chill. Like, if you're wondering why conservatives are happening more and more, it's because of y'all. And again, I'm not even a conservative, but to my point, there was so much happening here. So Melissa Barrera got fired, Christopher Lando was forced to leave because of all the harassment, Jenna Ortega left because the firing of Melissa Barreta. So for a long time we just didn't have Jack. They we didn't have a director. Radio Silence left before everything started. So Kevin Williamson, who came back to write the fourth and the fifth, no, just the fifth and the sixth one, decided, okay, I'll direct this one. He I don't think he wrote the recent film. I got a lot of problems with the recent film. And my gosh, most folks, when I say talk to fandom, oh my gosh, even the critics, and I don't mean like I'm not all against critics or anything, but the critics that were for this film, it's like I want to cuss y'all out so much. Especially because I know some of them are in the CCA. Oh my gosh. And they had that mentality of like, oh, I'm in the CCA, I know what I'm talking about. If you hate this movie, you're right. Oh my gosh. Like I I have problems with most of y'all. One of you being EJ Moreno. EJ Moreno, I have a problem with you. I used to not and Grace Randolph. But you guys get on my nerves sometimes. And I know some of y'all can be like, Gilbert, why don't you just like not watch your videos? I don't. But then there are times I give them the benefit of the doubt, and then it's like, there's a reason why I don't like watching your videos, and I choose not to continue watching them, looking at your reviews and stuff like that. Like just because you're a member of the CCA doesn't mean you have to act like an asshole. Okay, that's my problem with these folks. And even the people that I love really don't like this movie, like Dead Meat. And by the way, I know I said some stuff about Dead Meat. When I record, sometimes I forget what I said, and when I hear it, I was like, damn, I sound like a bass hole. So, first of all, when I was saying like stuff about Dead Meat and their thing with what is it, Stranger Things, you just gotta give them the benefit of the doubt. They they have to rewatch him and watching Stranger Things is like watching is like trying to watch the loaded direction. Series in one day with the extended version. It's so much to get through. But even they hate this movie, or they don't hate this movie as much as I do. I completely was like, the only reason why I went to go watch Scream 7 was because of the scary movie 6 trailer. That's the only reason why I went. And I'm gonna tell you guys right now, the reveal of who the killers were and their modus, I saw people walk out of the theater. And they used this whole bait and switch of like, oh, is Stu Maker alive? And you know, I love me some Massie Luther. I mean I remember him from Shaggy from Scooby-Doo. I love Matthew Letter, he's such a nice guy. But the fact that you're gonna toy with people's feelings like that and their theories, that's where I have problems. And then obviously, like you got also Sydney being, you know, like being a mother and having this child that she did not raise to be I mean she probably didn't want you because she didn't think like this was gonna happen to her again. And there's so much like, why weren't you in New York, Sydney? Why weren't you in New York? Well, first I mean like I get they had to have a reason, but do y'all really want Sydney to get attacked again? Uh, because I certainly don't. I get Nif Campbell loves being part of the series and she wants to continue, there has to be a certain point where it's like you just like what's the word? You have to like hang up the cape. You get what I mean? So they're gonna make an ace film. I already know it. If you haven't seen the film, I'll tell you right now, the killers are one of them being Anne Camp and I forgot the actor's name, but it just made no sense. Also kind of like predictable as well. Like the side characters, you know how I said like the screen franchise is full of at least one or two side characters? Well, all the side characters that don't mean Jack, they all die. And you just don't feel for any of them. Some of them are very impressive, like one of them involving like a wire kill, or like somebody is swinging back and forth and ghost face is just like slashing them and stuff. And then one of them involves uh what is it? A beer tap kill, or they impale their head on like a beer tap. So they were impressive kills, but that's not enough, man. It's the storyline, the ghost face, the ghost face motives. That was the issue. And then the opening act is also the worst part. The opening act is the only good thing about this movie, but it doesn't fit with the rest of this movie. It actually doesn't there's no service to it. If the opening act is these two people die at Stu Mocker house, it becomes an Airbnb, and then they're killed by Ghostface, and then they just Ghostface sets Stu Mocker's house on fire, but it doesn't connect to the rest of the movie. So I don't know. If they do something, they should be like, so it turns out that wasn't the ghost. I know that's gonna piss people off, but here's what I would do. And I probably won't even do a screen film, but here's what I would do. I would like there to be a screen movie where like the ghost face has a similar motive to like Billy's mom and Richie's dad, but differently. I would like there to be a screen movie, because this is my issue with the screen movies, is because they go after Sydney so much that a bunch of innocent people are paying the price for it. My idea is the ghost face in this movie, his motives are they want to kill Sid he or she wants to kill Sydney because everywhere Sydney goes, or even like now it was the Carpenter sisters or even now with Sydney's daughter, everywhere they go, death follows, you know, and their motive is they just want Sydney die so that nobody else has to pay the price for any innocent folks dying. Like it's supposed to be like the ghost face is a family member, like a parent or a sibling of somebody that was killed by a ghost face killing. The issue is how are you gonna justify that with what's the word? Are you gonna justify somebody being a ghostface killer when their families and other family members were killed by ghostface? You get what I mean? That's the only problem. But it would be an interesting motive. Like maybe like this is what I'd like to do. I like to take away the things that make a certain film a film, like a certain film in a franchise what they are, take all of that away, something new in there. But that's what I would do. Um the other thing I would do in this would be interesting, is like have the one ghost face killer like killed by another ghost face killer at the end, and then that ghost face just disappears and is never seen again, and that leaves the ending open for another sequel. Where it's like now what are we getting ourselves into? Is there now a cult of ghostface? Is there just like, you know, what was the purpose of a ghost face killing another ghost face? I mean, yeah, we had that in the scream six, but it's the writing that's always been the issue. In the fact that Kevin Williamson, who directed it, and written the original screams, is like that you you get what I mean? Like there has to be some sort of like you have to have seen that script, but I don't know, something just didn't feel right. And feel right. I wanted my money back, I didn't get my money back. Okay, I only went just because I wanted to see the Scream 6, uh not Scream 6, scary movie 6 trailer. I got what I wanted. I could have left it from there, but I was like, you know what? I'm in it this far, I might as well just, you know, watch might as well just watch the movie. I swear, this year hasn't given me a lot of good movies so far. Except maybe 28 years later the Bone Temple, but I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I'll probably watch Project Hell Mary. I want to see Undertone. The Odyssey is definitely my go-to disclosure day. I want to check out I definitely want to go to Fantastic Fest this year, because I've never been to a participant in the film festival, but never been to a big major film festival like that. That's all the way down in Austin. So I could legit buy a ticket and go. Tickets are freaking expensive though. So I don't know how many paychecks do I have to get in order to actually get a ticket. But yeah, it's not the my favorite episode to talk about, but you know what? 30 years of scream. The first one's always gonna be the best. How I would rank this series is I would rank it like Scream 7, Scream 6, Scream 3, Scream 4, Scream 5, Scream 2, and then obviously Scream. Yeah, that's how I would rank it. I'm not gonna talk about the shows because they're very indifferent. But if you didn't know MTV did Scream shows, it only lasted three seasons. I only seen the first two seasons, but yeah, I think that's it. I definitely have my Oscar, ex-Oscar episode coming out after this, and then my last episode of the season. And then maybe I'll come back in the summer for just to talk about the Odyssey or Disclosure Day or Scary Movie 6, or just be like, this isn't my summer episode, and then we'll be back in like probably what like August or uh September, October, just depends. But that's all I got. 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