Gilbert's It's All about the MEDIA
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Gilbert's It's All about the MEDIA
Episode 51
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On the last episode of the season of the podcast, Gilbert and Jesus talk about their favorite movies they watch on the Easter times. Also, a spiritual message is delivered ending off the season.
All right, guys. Welcome to the very last episode of the season. A little health update for y'all. Since last episode, I'm feeling a little bit more better now. I don't sound gross as I did when I did my previous episode. So, first of all, Rishi, you're a true one for having to edit that and having to hear me sound awful. But um, I still have some costs here and there, but it's I do sound and feel a lot better. On to other news. I don't know why this always happens every time I do a final episode. Because like back in 2022, when I did my uh season one episode, that's when I got the news about Pele, who was um Brazil's famous soccer player, or football, if you want to put it like that. And then um, I'm trying to remember, like when we did our mid-season, it was like the night before we got, or the night after we recorded that. That was when we got Rob Reiner, Rob Reiner's uh passing. And then last year it was George Foreman. But the day that we're recording this, that's when we got the news about the great Chuck Norris, Philip Texan. You know, just a really well swelled guy. Mike Camp one time hosted the church that he used to be a part of. I don't think he hasn't been a part of that church since like the mid-2010s, but yeah, uh, he was a very cool guy. I mean, everybody's made so much like Chuck Norris jokes and I what else can you say? Like mannerisms and stuff like that. Like legit. I think it was around lunchtime I watched the uh it was epic rap battles of history against it was Chuck Norris versus Abe Lincoln. And yeah, it's a real in a weird way. I'm gonna make this as a positive. So I could say this confidently to say that my dad has met Chuck Norris before I did. Oh wow. Not like in real life, I mean like in death is what I mean.
SPEAKER_01So but oh well oh well, I mean it's still positive, like exactly like we're trying to say you put a positive spit on it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but yeah, too. The great man, Chuck Norris. One, you were a living legend. We are gonna continue to make myths about you because even in death, why should that stop? You know what I mean? I mean, we still can't.
SPEAKER_01He's like it's it's like we said, man, he's he's alive, bro. Uh he's up there celebrating everything. They're having a party up there right now, and the memes, I just can't like it's gonna be you're gonna be hearing memes across, like if you're in a Christian group and whatnot, or the Christian circles, you're gonna keep hearing, oh, when Armageddon happens and the angels come down to fight against uh the devil, it's like there you go, Norris is gonna be a front and center.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I texted it, Seuss. Instead of instead of like when the priests say I I call upon the archangels Michael Gabriel, and some say Raphael, though Raphael, I don't think it's mentioned in the Bible, but they're gonna say, I call upon the Archangels Michael Gabriel and Chuck Norris. And yeah, news is family man, yeah. So um, and it's weird because it kind of fits almost with what we're talking about today. This is our last episode of the season. I've never done an Easter theme episode before. And throughout the ever since I would say since we did Interstellar, though I've talked about God and Jesus in the past, but never like in a full detailed like episode. I want to talk about like some movies that I like to watch around this time of the year. And uh surprisingly enough, last time as Suisse and I did our episode, we already stopped recording this, but I asked him like what does he watch? Or yeah, I asked you what did you watch, and apparently we watched the same things around this time of the year, which kind of like it it makes things a lot better. But one honorable mention I do want to say, because I want to talk about some other stuff before we go on break and then officially start with the first set of movies. But one thing I've been watching, and I watched it, I watched the summer of 20 uh 2024, and then I watched it around Easter time of last year, and then I kind of watch it again this year. It's a um, and I showed it through some clips. It's um, and I mentioned this too. It's a movie called, well, it's not really a movie, it's a mini-series. It's called um Jesus of Nazareth, but edited together, it's a six and a half hour long movie, and um like Robert Powell, who played Jesus in that in that series. One, you don't see him until like again, put edit it together, the first hour and I believe 40 minutes of that thing, because it starts off with was like the what is it, the engagement, but I forgot the act, uh, the other word for it, the patrol of Mary and Joseph. And then we even get the pregnancy and the birth of um John the Baptist, because remember, John the Baptist and uh Jesus were, I believe, second cousins, second or third cousins. And plus, there's a lot more, it's even detailed in the book of John, if I'm not mistaken. But yeah, so we really don't get the full Robert Powell Jesus until the first hour and 40 minutes, and like when we get the baptism of um of Christ. But this miniseries, I'll go full in the detail maybe next year because it'll be 50 years, so it'll be a lot more interesting to go full details in that. But I'll say you right now, this miniseries had a full stack cast, like for people back then. I mean, it had like James Earl Jones, Donald Pleasance as like the wise man, Christopher Plummer played King Herod, who was in Michael York played John the Baptist. I know some of my younger listeners aren't gonna know any of this, and I don't care. Um but but I know a lot of my older listeners will know some of these actors. Olivia Hussey played The Virgin Mary, just a whole stack of casts. Who is it that played Pilot again that you really like?
SPEAKER_02Rob Steiger.
SPEAKER_00Rob Steiger, yes. Peter Usanoff, who played the Herod the Great. Yeah, just a whole it's a stack cast, but this was almost like um, oh man, it's like the Sergio Leone of biblical film or biblical stories, because this was filmed in Italy, shot by an Italian, and a lot of the background actors um were Italian folks. Same thing was like, if y'all don't know what I mean, Sergio Leone, who directed some of the greatest Westerns of all time, to get Western audiences to actually watch them, the main stars were American, but majority of like the supporting and background actors were Italian, and none of them actually spoke English. So when you watch some of the some of like the Fistful of Dollars series and stuff like that, you can look at the lips and realize that the dubbing is off. But yeah, they they had to find like folks to help with some of the translation, but also to figure out like what translation could we use that kind of fits the mouths, you know, some of these actors that don't even speak English. It always like, I know we're going off topic, but always like intrigued me how like Sergio Leone and Clint Iswa didn't even speak each other's languages, but yet they still made some of the greatest films of all time. I believe Eli Wallach and uh Sergio Leone spoke French, so they spoke French to each other, which I guess came in handy. I don't know how Eli Wallack or Sergio Leone learned French, but uh that came in handy, but I know, but y'all should give those a chance as sous has introduced me to one of the greats, but and plus Tarantino you know based most of his movies off of those things.
SPEAKER_01I wanted to add um just a little quick thing. And top of that, Raj Steiger, who we just mentioned, uh plays uh pilot in uh this miniseries, he actually was also hired by Leone to be a character for I believe. I'm trying to remember his name, but I I'll be honest. It's it's the one movie out of the uh four westerns that he made, or I had to say five westerns, it's like the last one, and it's not as well memorable as the previous four, but it's from a fistful, a dynamite, or uh sometimes it's uh translated to Ducky Sucker. So I mean he that's how I first got introduced to Rod. And uh, you know, when I when you showed me the clips, I was like, hey, yeah, I know who this guy looks like.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and then we're I not to put you on the spot about this, but did weren't y'all watching like a novella, a Jesus novella earlier today?
SPEAKER_01So since I've been like here with my parents, my parents currently actually are the ones watching it. Sometimes I overhear their conversations, and so like even though I haven't actually seen the novella myself, uh it's just called Jesus. If anybody in the the Mexicans, Mexican or Latino American sphere listening to this has not heard of it yet, I mean it's been recently released on uh VIX, so it's a streaming service for Spanish uh or Latino stuff. So yeah, I mean uh they have a lot of novellas recently of uh biblical stories, so all the way from Genesis to uh Moses to uh the gospels. So my parents have been watching those anyway. Jesus has been the the four center here, and yeah, I hear their conversations about oh, this character and this such character, and sometimes I'm over here like trying to remember. Okay, it's a novella, right? So a lot of times it's a dramatization of events. As we know, the the actual story is, of course, real, it did happen. It's just novella, like to dramatize things a bit more just to keep an audience, right? So some characters I I have never heard of before, and I you know like to go back into the gospels just to kind of make clear to my parents that hey, this character didn't even exist or was never mentioned in the word, so maybe you like you really shouldn't worry too much about that. From what I've heard in their conversations, it's a pretty overall good novella, regardless of all the added characters into it and such.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and like going back to it, I don't even think I told you all this, but like Ian Holm is also in that Jesus of Nazareth. He plays a mid-up character named Zara. He's one of the uh, I guess you could say a scholar who works with the Pharisees. He's the one that convinced uh Judas, played by um Ian McShane. Yeah, again, a lot of a lot of big names in this, and I'll probably go into it a lot more next year, but he's the one that convinces um Judas to portray Jesus, or at least tricks uh Judas to portray Jesus. But yeah, obviously, you know, that's wasn't a character in the Bible they created for the show specifically, or a movie, it just depends on how y'all want to call it. Like when I talk about it 1990, some people will call it a mini-series, but when you edit it together, it's a three and a half hour long film. It just varies. And I mean, like, it's no surprise, most Italian films can actually last hours. Um, so take it how you leave it. But I do recommend y'all giving it a watch. I know the chosen next season, though I don't know when it comes out, if it's either coming out this year or next year, it's gonna go into the crucifixion. And I don't know what Dallas Jenkins is gonna do to fit the events of two days into eight episodes, because that's usually how the seasons go by, but he's very detailed and specific, so it's gonna be a lot. And then he said the last like chosen anything, which is a movie he's already confirmed that it's gonna be the resurrection for 2027. So we'll see. And then another one I randomly remember is The Miracle Maker, I think that's what it's called, and it's uh one of those stop-motion, you know, claymation kind of uh stories, with obviously with Jesus, is an entirely British cast. One of them being played, and we're gonna talk about him again later on, is uh Ray Fines, who we all know, plays Voldemort and Harry Potter. He uh he voices Jesus in this uh animated movie. It's a really great movie, y'all should check it out. A really great cast. You there's more stories that involves uh Gyrus's daughter. If y'all don't know, Jairus is the man that went to Jesus and it's like, my daughter is sick and dying. I need you to come. And yeah, there's a lot more with uh Gyrus and his daughter. I think Jairus was played by not John Hurt. Oh man, I'm trying to remember his name. He passed away not too long ago, like 2022. William Hurt, thank you. I think God was giving me the answer. Yeah, no, William Hurt, and it's actually really cool. There's a part where, like, during the crucifixion, where like he's breaking down because he's like, dude, this man, why are they killing him? They he saved my daughter or he brought my daughter back. So it yeah, a very good watch. I know that it's hard when you watch a film about Jesus, and a lot and some of it could be fictionalized, a lot of it could be fictionalized. Last year, for the first time, I saw um The Last Temptations of Christ. And understand, and understandably, now I know why a lot of Christians back then were angry. I wasn't angry, but I did understand. I mean, it was directed well because it's Martin Scorsese, and Willem Defoe does an okay job as Jesus. It's just that, like, I mean, when you watch it, I mean, let's be honest, yes, there is nudity involved, especially when it came to Mary Magdalene, and then supposedly like he marries Mary Magdalene, and then eventually Mary and Martha of um Bethany, which were the sisters of Lazarus. But just a spoiler alert, just I'm just gonna say it, just whatever. It didn't really happen. That was considered like the last temptation of like Jesus wanted to come off the cross and have a life, but full of regret, he's back on that cross and realized it never happened because he overcame that. Like I understand what they were going with, but again, towards you gotta also like put it together that nobody could doesn't want to imagine Jesus doing any of that because obviously it didn't happen, but I was gonna say it humanized Jesus a little bit too much.
SPEAKER_01I wanna say something as in like in no ways have I do I am I saying what I what I'm gonna say right now is not as a way to defend the director's intention with the film, it's more of so or even to sound sacrilegious, because I mean that's not what we're trying to be here. But um, I mean you want to think sometimes, like if you do see this film, anyone who's who is still on the fence about it or just uh refuses to not watch it. I mean, if you end up seeing a clip about it or or whatnot, it's I guess what the director intended was for you to kind of just have a glimpse of what is possibly what Jesus could have experienced when he was being tempted constant for those 40 days and nights. Again, it's that's not the point, at least in the film, that's not how it really looks like. It's just more of, oh, I mean, he became flesh, right? So as flesh, he's a human, he what potentially may have had to um feel these kind of temptations. Not that it didn't happen, and not that um, you know, he was obviously pure, he was not going to intend in these uh indulgences that we as humanity uh can sometimes choose to go through. But I mean, yeah, like I can see it that way as, you know, it's not a this isn't truth, this isn't what happened, it's more of a what if kind of scenario where if you put your shoes or put yourself in his shoes when he lived on this when he lived and walked on this earth, what could have potentially gone on in his head? What could the devil have tried to beat him, especially when he kept praying, when he had prayed his heart and soul to his father in the garden while all the disciples were asleep? It's like at that moment he was saying, Well, I don't know if I can do this, you know what I mean? So, but he knows his purpose was to fulfill the will, fulfill the prophets and all the stuff that had happened. So he was ready for it. Not saying he wasn't, I'm just saying just by reading a little bit and having a little bit of a, I guess, uh a little ounce of stretching the imagination, makes you ponder.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, uh it I again it's a screen, but he did direct another, in my words, a good Christian film called Silence. I think y'all should check that one out. One of his most underrated films. Uh, and then you know, I thought about uh doing a movie at this, but due to things that came into light uh last year, it's now more of a difficult situation because I'll talk about it now in case y'all ever want to check it out. But I'm just gonna say off the bat, it does involve Michael Tate. And if you know the story, Michael Tate has been involved into some heat last year. I I'm not gonna get into specifics, but if you know, you know. But we saw this play back like when we were young called Hero of the Rock Opera, and it's basically taking the story of Jesus, putting it into in there for in there for modern time, like 2000s. And again, I know some people can hear it as heresy or blasphemy, but hear me out and then take it as you leave it, right? When I say if y'all don't want to watch it, that's fine. I understand the purpose of it. But to my point, it does take like the context of Jesus in modern times, um, the story, but it has some pretty good in songs. And I was gonna say, if I was to do this, I would like change a lot more of it. Keep some of the songs in there, but make it less because it does like invoke a kind of like uh social justice kind of a thing that modern, and I mean like modern as in like the 2020s audience would like very back up. And when you watch it, it's if you were like in 2005, three, four, five, whenever this came out. Yeah, it's a pretty interesting play. Again, go check it out. Um, it's all it's literally like you can find it on YouTube for free before they take it down after me saying this. Um, but yeah, it's interesting. Again, I know Michael Tate's very controversial right now, and I don't blame anybody for that. And even I have like some inner thoughts on like if I was to do this movie, should I, given the fact that like he plays Jesus in the play? But you know, it's up to my moral judgment at this point. And if I do, then I'll just say, look, Michael Tate isn't really the story, it's Jesus. And I know it might be hard to separate what he did in this art form because I've had problems with that so many times. But again, like I'm not gonna make you watch the movie if you don't feel comfortable, especially like I know a lot of people don't like Jesus stories or actors portraying Jesus because they feel like it does disservice to him or like it does break a commandment, you shouldn't put an image of God. For me personally, you have to remind yourself that these actors are not Jesus, they're playing him, but I am guilty of this, I'll admit that that when we pray, sometimes we put that image in of like who of like who Jesus is, especially in like panties and stuff. So I'm not perfect, I know that. And I I do that sometimes, but to remind ourselves that we can't think of what Jesus is gonna look like. The only way for us to find out is to meet him face to face when our time has come, you know, hoping he says, Well done, my good and faithful servant, and not, you know, the part from me, I never knew you, the words we don't want to hear, but it's what I learned from our friend Nate's pastor when he used to do Kyalpha, uh, it says those words shouldn't frighten you, it should motivate you when you want to hear the other words, which is well done, my good and faithful servant. But in the end, I don't think too much of an issue of actors playing Jesus as long as we have to make it clear that they're not Jesus. That's where I'm at.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, sometimes you need sometimes people need a visual to kind of see things. If you do have Christians, again, don't know who they are per se, but you do have Christians out there, believers, who can read or sometimes have a deficit. So sometimes like they're it's not that they're not hungry to read the word, it's that they just can't. Like, you know, they they can't. So sometimes we have these as a way, as a means to actually share the gospel, to share the word to them. And sometimes it goes through these films. There's plenty of films out there for anybody who, let's say, if you don't like the what I want to call the uh Americanized way of portraying Jesus, um, if you don't like that kind of thing, then you could there's a whole bunch of other films out there from different countries or even just English speaking films that don't even have Jesus in that Americanized fashion that we're so used to seeing in images out there. So it's always like a pick and choose kind of thing for yourself, such as long as you're not watching a film that literally sacrilegious to the entire story. I mean, we got sorry, I'm not gonna put it on I'm gonna put it on the bus, but uh, I mean, you had Noah. So that was just, I don't know, a whole nother thing. But yeah, I avoid those kind of films.
SPEAKER_00Uh yeah. We're just gonna I just wanted to uh bring those all that up. And if you guys are ever interested, now I won't like hold it against y'all if I y'all do end up watching last temptation of Christ. Just know that like if you get angry, I try to warn y'all, but in the end, like I can appreciate what Scarsace was trying to do in the directing style, uh, especially because like they even said in the beginning, because it's based off a book that even the book mentions that these are all fictional tellings. It's just that when you put fictional and Jesus in the same sentence, it triggers a lot of folks. But in the end, like if y'all watch it, I'm just giving you all that warning, y'all. And I I love Willem Defoe. He's such an amazing actor, he needs an Oscar already. And I again I love Martin Scorsese. And again, y'all should check out Silence. It's a really good, in my form, a Christian film, even though it's not under any Christian company. It's Christian towards like inner conflict, is what I would say. But that's all I got for now, unless you have anything to add on before we break.
SPEAKER_01No, actually, I don't I don't think I have anything else. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00All right. Well, we're gonna break real quick and we'll be right back. And we are back. So I was trying to figure out because when again I talked to literally we finished the fr when we finished the Friday uh episode, which by the way did not even come close to tying the record for the Halloween episode. But I again we were I was surprised that like it we watch actually the same movies that we watch around. Maybe not, maybe I have one extra that we're gonna talk about, but um a few of them that we watched, we we literally watched the same movies around this time of the year. And I was trying to figure out like how we're gonna do this because one movie has a similar plot of the of an animated movie that we're gonna talk about, but then also has an actor of another movie that we're gonna talk about. And I was like, where do I section this? And Asus came up with the idea that we'll just talk about Old Testament because you gotta remember. Old Testament around this time is where Passover and all that was starting, or the reason behind Passover, and then New Testament. So I want to save one movie for its own subject because I was just watching it earlier today, too. But anyway, so let's start off with the animated movie because it's the shortest. And I actually I want to talk about it because it's been a year since Valkimmer passed away. But um it's um The Prince of Egypt, which is one of my like my favorite animated movies of all time. The animation, which man, we gotta go back. We gotta go back to that animation, y'all. Like I have no nothing against that 3D animation stuff like that, but that animation I missed the most of it. It's just yeah, we gotta go back to that.
SPEAKER_01Secondly, it's the perfect blend of animation, man. Like it's it's the perfect blend. It's like if you thought 2D could not actually get any dimension or high dimension higher, no, like you haven't seen the Prince of Egypt.
SPEAKER_00That's true, yeah. And look, the Prince of Egypt, I remember when I watched this really young and uh one of my kids, she was um I mean, like again, she's not my my kid kid, she's my camp kid, but she couldn't go past the part where it's like um after Moses had the dream, it was a um the dream of when the babies were thrown in the Nile. I understand why, because it's very it's very dark for like well, it's supposed to be a kid's or a family movie, though just because it's an animated movie doesn't mean it's a kid's movie, it could be a movie for all. Even regardless, remember, you're talking to the guy who put K-pop Demon Hunter in his top five favorite films of 2025 when um when you know he doesn't like K-pop and stuff like that, but it's a great animated film. If you have never seen it, I think it's like on Peacock or maybe Amazon, but it has a very stellar cast, like Val Kilmer being one of them, Ray Fines who plays Remesses. Who was it? Patrick Stewart played the Pharaoh or before Ramesses, Jeff Goldblum.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean you still have like trying to remember what was it? Steve Martin was Hotep. I don't know if you mentioned that already.
SPEAKER_00No, I haven't.
SPEAKER_01Um Miriam uh was played by Sandra Bullock, but also uh Brenda Chapman for that matter. What did Brenda Chapman do? Brenda Chapman was playing Miriam, but oh she did the singing voice. Oh, okay. Yes, yeah. I keep forgetting. I'm always confusing like when I when I when you're watching an animated, or when you're just watching a musical, uh animated, and you're like, oh yeah, uh she was played, like this person was played by this actor, and it's like, uh, well, yeah, but the the song is not the same. So I'll have to probably get somebody else.
SPEAKER_00No, yeah, so it it's common in in a lot of anime, specifically animated musicals. Like, if you watch Mulan, yes, who was it? Ming, the actress who actually played Mulan.
SPEAKER_01I know she also recently she just recently was in uh Book of Boba Fay. Yeah, I'm just trying to remember her name.
SPEAKER_00But her and uh BD Wong who played uh Shen, yes, they voiced, but Leah Salonga and uh believe it or not, Donnie Osman did the singing voices. Wow, yeah, but um, yeah, but it's pretty common. But it does have good music. Obviously, like the mil the most famous ones were well, the three, like the top three most famous ones. Now, it was like every time I say that, I think of the other song, and then the other song. It's like they're all great in their own way. Like, there's literally no bad song. Oh, Donald Glover, Donald Glover, or is it Danny Glover?
SPEAKER_01Are you talking from from the movie itself or the yeah, yeah. Um is it Donald Glover or or Danny?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, uh, because yeah, I'm trying to remember. It's uh Jess, he plays Jess Roll, father-in-law of Moses. Right. I think it's Danny Glover.
SPEAKER_01Sorry, it is Danny Glover, not Donald Glover.
SPEAKER_00Donald Glover is a childish Gambino, but yeah, but anyway, to my point, because I just thought of him when I was singing Heaven's Like, but they're all really good. You get what I mean? I don't think there's really a bad or forgettable song, but like the ones I listen to the most are um playing with the big boys now, because come on. Um what was it? Deliver us, which is the beginning of the song. Because man, I don't know why, but that woman, whoever voiced the singing voice of Moses' mother, she did not need to go hard on that last note.
SPEAKER_01But I don't think I'll be honest with you, I don't think anybody had to go hard in this film. But hey, man, this is this is like and we went we went over 9,000 right here.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that and that, and then I think really my most famous more not famous, but my most favorite one is the plague song because it's like a villain, it's like a villain song, but not really. Like playing with the big boys is definitely a villain song. But this one is more like a confliction because literally the what does the verse say? Once I call you brother, nah, I'm already forgetting it, but like when you go to Ramesses part, it's like you who I call brother, how you have come to hate me so because it's already like Moses and Ramesses grew up as brothers and now they're conflicting with each other. Oh, and now I remember it's once I called you brother, once I had the chance to make you laugh, it's all I ever wanted, which that part, all I ever wanted, goes back to all I ever wanted when Moses found out who he really was. But and it's interesting how it's not just like a random song, you get what I mean? Like they fit well with the music. Like when you talk about heaven's light with Jesu, he's talking about like, you know, all of this is God. I'm not trying to sound like James Earl Jones all of a sudden, everything the light touches, it belongs to God. Which, by the way, if James Earl Jones hadn't died and they casted him to play the voice of God and the Prince of Egypt remake, because they've been playing that for a while, I would have been sold big time. But anyway, it's it's literally like what is heaven's like? And then even like, you know, getting the blessing from um Jethro when you know him and his wife Sephora, when you know, Moses and his soon-to-be-wise Sephora, even though they've had that history in the past, they soon to grow to each other and you know, giving the blessing, especially because in the beginning, remember, Moses after uh fleeing um Egypt, you know, he's like, Well, I don't deserve to be an honored guest here in a way. I did a lot of terrible things, and you get what I mean. And Jesus' like, well, you helped each and every one of my daughters, you know, you helped Sephora escape Egypt, and you helped my three youngest daughters. Though I think um, I think Jeshro had, I think in the Bible, it said I think he had like 10 daughters, but I don't remember too much. But um, either way, you know, he's like, You help my kids. You don't think that's like not worthy and being honored tonight? And it's it's a very interesting tick. It's like Danny Glover only had that amount of time on The Prince of Egypt. I don't even call it screen time because like you know, it wasn't live action, but dude, he made a lasting impact for the rest of that film, which uh man, I know I because again, I know it's based off the Bible, but you don't get good script writing nowadays. Facts, yeah, but yeah, I remember when we were watching this. First time I watched it, I think it was like eight at the elementary school that we we went, even though I know you went a lot later in life when we first met, but um, when I first watched it, it was like literally like when me and my friend Kevin, I think we were like eight years old, and we were talking about the story of Moses, and they showed us the Prince of Egypt. And man, I had to I convinced my grandma to get me that, which I'm surprised wasn't that difficult considering I know she was Jehovah's Witness, and they have like I think they have specific rules when it comes to like Bible movies and stuff like that. So yeah, y'all could correct me if I'm wrong. But um, no, my cousin and I, her and I, we would definitely like watching that the Prince of Egypt. But do you remember when you actually got introduced to this?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, actually, it um funny enough, it it was that school. I don't remember if it was sixth grade or seventh grade when one of our teachers, I think in our in my homeroom class, if you remember that, remember that time where I think like the end of the day or okay. So our homeroom class had mine's uh had um we had a science teacher, and I think he he was able to put the movie on for us. It was like the last couple of weeks before school was over, because we had just finished standardized testing, and we kind of already went through all the the majority of the subject material. So I mean, you know, we we we I guess they could get away with it here and there. And it yeah, I mean it was of course it would be approved, you know what? Why wouldn't it be? So yeah, like around six or seventh grade, I think it was sixth or seventh uh grade is when I uh actually got finally got to see it for the first time, and man, that that was something, and I didn't even think I'll be honest with you, that was one of the very first musicals or films that got me into musicals because I actually like I didn't know that something like that could even be done, possibly. I mean, yeah, well, you could say like, oh, all the Disney films were that, right? But like when you were young, you don't really listen much. Like your brain is firing on all cylinders, especially if you're like ADHD or something, and you're watching a Disney movie, you like it. And they have the songs here and there, and you'll sing to them, but like they don't really mean anything to you growing up. But this one, it was like the first time I actually got to sit down and listen and actually pay attention to what they were saying through the songs, and uh it honestly made me like so happy to be able to read the Bible and keep reading it more because it was like, hey yo, I can watch this as a companion piece.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so it's the music. I know that they did a mu a stage musical. I don't think it's like touring or anything, I think it's because some people weren't a huge fan of it because it's like you know, trying to create a musical based off a movie, you know, when the movie came first, it's kind of difficult. Now, remaking this one, I entirely wouldn't be too harsh on it, as long as like they don't steer too far away from the original Source of Stereo, but again, it's the Bible. The reason why I like watching it around this time, I think it's just because of like it's the music. I don't know, it just feels like a good time to watch it because remember, if you know the story, you know that when Moses freed the Israelites out of Egypt and and all of that, they celebrate what is called the Passover. Passover originated when um, now correct me if I'm wrong, when the tenth plague was happening, which is the angel of death uh was taking away the firstborn sons, the Jews or the Israelites, depending on what what you will refer to them as back then, they sacrificed their lambs and smeared the blood of the lambs on the door. Please don't take me down for this, YouTube, um, for saying that, but they would smear the blood of the lambs on the door, and when the angel of death came, they know that's not the house to go to. So the angel passed over those house, those houses. So that's why they call it Passover. They celebrate, you know, the moment where their lives were spared and they got to leave Egypt. And again, it's not very much of a kid kid friendly movie because you do see the death of you know, um, the kids of Egypt, especially like at the end when like Ramesses, you know, he's like, Y'all can leave. But he didn't even want to look at Moses because he blame he obviously blames Moses for that. Because I would understand, even though like, yes, Ramesses should have released him, but even in the Bible it says, you know, his heart was hardened and God caused his heart to be hardened. It's like when you don't believe in God or even worship the same God and you still have this humanistic view, you gotta blame somebody, even if it's not the the God you worship. Like he blame he you know he blamed Moses for that, for the death of his son. And even Moses was like trying to tell him, Look, you have this one shot to you know uh free all the Israelites, if not something worse is gonna happen. And he even says, think of your son. And that's the moment where I was like, oh, we're going there, we're actually gonna go there. But yeah, it's again, it's dark for an animated film, but what Guillermo de Toro said, you know, animated films, even though he was talking about his own movie, uh, animated films aren't really a kid's film. There it can be a family film. But speaking of Moses, um, the other film I want to talk about, unless you got any any last things to say about the Prince of Egypt.
SPEAKER_01Um, I mean, uh overall I would say the it's not like one of those little I can't say I mean uh what I would say is it's like if the Ten Commandments, uh I guess is probably the next film that we're gonna talk about, probably, had already happened about like 50 years prior almost to the point of that release of Prince of Egypt. You're saying they're going, well, no other film can really top that. And you then you have this film that's animated, and a lot again, animation is still considered to this day by the industry to just be uh more like a kid's thing. It's a medium, man. Just like you said prior. Anyone can enjoy this. There's plenty of animation out there that is for any for mature adults to young adults to kids of four by six, and like your family is watching it with you growing up. I mean, yeah, it's a medium. We use for anything. And so for an animation for that, first of all, to be in animated form to kind of tell you, okay, like we're gonna give you the Ten Commandments again, but uh, we're switching it up, we're making a little bit more Y2K kind of uh uh spin on it for you know, for all the audience out there who's into musicals especially, it's got the music and it's got a stellar cast of people, just like the Ten Commandments did all those years back. So it's almost like a if you really like to see, if you ask somebody like me or Gilbert, uh which film, if you're ready for Passover and you just wanna, I don't know, you want you or you've never seen or read the Bible and you really just want to see a visual version of it, then honestly, we're always we're gonna tell you most likely he and I are gonna say we like to stand a little bit more towards the prince of Egypt, but we also like Ten Commandments, so maybe you should watch both. And they probably serve as a companion piece to one another. So yeah, that's that's my bit.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I will say, like, um, if you're interested, they there is a prequel film about Joseph. Yes, uh was it the colour the Code of Mini Colour and the uh purple coat? Yeah, something like that. You should check it out. I think it's also on Peacock. Peacock coming in clutch today, actually. Y'all should sponsor these.
SPEAKER_01Or is this more like uh um I I don't know, I think it depends on which um plan you have. I don't care about the ads, honestly. Like if I'm watching ads, it's fine, but like you know, I guess it just depends on like how much am I paying.
SPEAKER_00I don't know. Uh we're we can't like I don't want to say uh like say like how we're paying this. We are paying this, guys, but I don't want to get too much because in case Peacock contacts us and they're like, Yeah, you can't do that, but I I think it's the basic plan we have. Got it. Yeah, but it it yeah, y'all should check it out. And Peacock, if y'all want to sponsor me, I'm just saying, uh I'm just kidding. But um, yeah, but speaking of Moses again, we're gonna talk about the Ten Commandments. It it's first of all, this is that one movie. Anybody that talks about like what should have won best picture, people will say one of them being the Ten Commandments. It didn't win best picture, or I don't I don't even think it won best director, or at least I think it did, but I think because this is the movie it it lost to I think Around the World in 80 Days are the greatest show. I gotta look it up. But both were like both around the world in 80 days. And no, I'm not talking about the Jackie Chan version. Um, it was there's a 1950s version, and then there was one called The Greatest Show on Earth. One of those two beat out the Ten Commandments for Best Picture, and both are considered like the top worst wins of best picture. Like I'm talking like people even hating it more than Crash and Um uh Shakespeare and Love.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I gotta say, man, remember, this this is well, where it's humanity. The earth likes to just say, Well, the Ten Commandments is fantastic, it's great. It got nominated for like seven Oscars or something, but um we we can't have that representation in our household, so we're gonna give it to this film over here. I'm like, no, I mean that's how the world works, unfortunately.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but regardless, y'all should check it out. ABC usually airs it, I think, around every Good Friday. If not, I remember last year, it was like the Friday before the Good Friday, they aired it. But it kills up, I kid you not, it kills up about six hours. Um, and that's counting commercials and stuff like that because this movie has an intermission.
SPEAKER_01That's a cakewalk. It's a cakewalk, my guys. You haven't seen Napoleon yet. Not talking about really scots, talking about something from like 1912 or 19 whatever. That was like I think maybe nine hours long.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but um, it's a good movie, still holds up, but it's a lot more detailed. I'm trying to think what it so basically like it starts off usual. It starts off with um what do you was like the order to carry out to throw all the um or at least execute all the the firstborn sons, the Israelites. Because if y'all don't know the story, the Pharaoh feared an uprising, which eventually did happen, but he feared an uprising. So to make sure there is no uprising, all the all the firstborn sons of the Israelites were executed, like all the ones that at least under the age of like two or three. And Moses's mother, you know, we know the story, creates a basket, puts them in a basket, floats up on top of the river, the Nile River. Moses is found by the princess of Egypt. I think in the Bible it says the daughter of the pharaoh. So is it's always hard to like decipher like the actual pharaohs of Egypt, because I don't even think they mentioned Ramesses in the Bible.
SPEAKER_01But um No, remember, I think um we I think historians have kind of like pinpointed it as uh Ramesses the second, as the Ramesses of the Bible, or as as the Pharaoh in the Bible.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I believe so too. Yeah, so and other thing is that like the Prince of Egypt, though I love it, they they make it seem like they they actually did grow up as brothers because they shared the same because it was Pharaoh's mother and uh father, but this was actually I think Pharaoh's sister was the one that found him. So they're actually cousins, and um, dude, I remember like my younger sister was crushing over Yo Brenner because that's crazy. Hey, yo, Yo Brenner was good looking back then, okay?
SPEAKER_01And no, no, no, I'm not saying anything wrong about that. I'm just saying that's crazy. Like, hey, where for a guy that when when your sister and y'all were watching it for the first time, I mean, that guy might have passed away probably years before all that, so that's just wild. Still it still kind of is the same things.
SPEAKER_00No, but like, oh my gosh. I I'll mention this now because I'll probably forget about it. But I remember when you know the remake of Ben Hur was coming out, and I was like, I posted on Facebook, I was like, I don't get why they're remaking a Ben Her. The classic should say the classic, which I'm right, but I remember my tia, my grandma's younger sister. I swear, I could just imagine her voice when she texted this. She said, Yeah, I Charlton Heston, moi guapo, I which which means Charlton Heston was very handsome, which he was. I'm I'm not gonna lie, but um, yeah, so Charlton Heston, going back to it, he this was his one of only two biblical proportion films. I think I haven't really looked into his full filmography, other than those two films and The Planet of the Apes, it's very scale for a 1950s film that was shot on studio, not on location, but it's still pretty good, it's still a good film. Legit, I think it's 60 years old this year because I think it came out in 1956 or 70, which means yeah, that that looks to be about right. That's 70 years old, which means people still watch it, which tells you uh enough, really. It's like if ABC continues doing this, it's like a younger generation. I'm not even talking about Gen Alpha, I don't want to say it gave up on them already, but Gen Beta, I think there's hope for them. But the fact that you now, even Gen Alpha and even Gen Beta in the future are gonna be watching this, hopefully with their grandparents. I don't know, hopefully their parents as well. To my point, there's still a younger generation watching this movie.
SPEAKER_01You could even add to the fourth that it's probably at this point. I mean, I wouldn't even be surprised if it's considered to be the second most viewed film of all time, with the first being The Wizard of Oz.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but yeah, it's a really good movie. There are some things that are excluded, but especially like the plague. I think it's obviously it's like budget-wise, and the fact that this like despite this film being so upscaled for its time, they're still, you know, they're not miracle makers, there's still not a lot of things they can do. You can't get like just random frogs out of nowhere. And obviously, CGI wasn't invented yet. And you know, the hell storms and the darkness and stuff like that. Yes, I get that, but in the end, it even if you excluded those, they've mentioned it, it's still a captivating story. Yeah. I'm trying to think what else I could think of. But I mean, the big kisser on this, and I I don't I don't mean to meet like in the movie before Moses has to go off, or before Moses was exiled into out of Egypt, he was in a relationship with I think Netiri, I think that's what her name was, who would eventually become the wife of the of Ramesses II. But like in the how they mention it's basically like Natiri was kind of like forced to marry Remesses, you know, and she did bore a son, but it's like the son, you can see like the reaction of Yo Brenner as Remesses saying, like, Moses, like, can you stop this now? I want to save my son. And that the last plague, it's like you don't see all the deaths, but you can hear the scream, especially like if you go back to the Prince of Egypt, you hear the screams and the cries of um all the parents of Egypt, but there's something more haunting in the the Ten Commandments when the plague is happening at that moment. It's captivating. I mean, Cesabi the Male was a great director.
SPEAKER_01No, now that I think about it, you you think that um that God for that plague decided to do a solar eclipse? You see, that's tough. Throughout throughout Ali, I mean again, I can't can't say for sure, right? But I mean, you would think, right? Maybe to yes, I mean, you had death come by and and kill every firstborn of a child of the families that did not have a lamb's blood crossed on the door. But I mean, maybe to save some trouble to because at this point, I mean, must have just died. If a lot of these firstborn children had died, these families would not know until most likely the next morning. And so if anything, if to make things even uh I guess smooth or what I don't know how to explain it, maybe he did a solar eclipse, made everything dark so that everything could pass, let death do its thing, and then next morning well, you had everybody here like freaking out. I don't know. There's something.
SPEAKER_00I mean it it's effective no matter what. If you're directing it, I Their live action or animation, it's effective still. Like, like you don't need to see it have like the parents scream and cry, just hearing it, it's already effective enough. But I want to talk about the thing that I waited until now when we were talking about the Prince of Egypt. Both, and I really mean this, guys. Both films really, really executed the the parting of the Red Sea. I mean, like uh like with the Prince of Egypt, I think they said it took three years for the animators to perfect it. That's three years that was literally like they took their time and it was so great. That's why I say you can't rush stuff like this. And I don't know what they did with um the Ten Commandments. They must have done like some drawing and stuff like that, but even then it looked pretty cool. And just like the visuals and stuff like that. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01There's just something about the sets and they had to waste uh a lot of gallons of water, I heard. Really? Well, it's almost just like with Noah's Ark that was made in like the 20s. Um, I think actually, I think was also directed by Cecil DeMille, and they wasted a ton of water, and unfortunately, several like extras that were playing the the you know, all the the humans that were drowning that didn't adhere to Noah's uh warnings. Yeah, I mean they wasted a ton of it's like they were being uh what's it called when they uh water water dunked? Waterboarded? That's the right I don't think that's the right term. But you know what I mean? Like when uh if you uh it's just getting weird. I'm sorry, it's getting a little weird. But you know, if you had torture and uh when when you're you're clothed up, they pour water on you. I'm trying to remember the term for that.
SPEAKER_00But yeah, I mean it's uh it's waterboarded.
SPEAKER_01There you go, waterboarded. It's like these these extra, these four extras were waterboarded because they were dumped with that with with gallons of water to mimic the actual flood. So I wouldn't put it past them if that's what he tried again and then he learned his mistake the first time, of course. But he's still, I mean, I'm sure they the studio and still ended up wasting some pretty good amount of water.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But I mean, look, no matter what, like especially when when you're talking about old Hollywood, uh, there's not there's gonna be a lot of behind-the-scenes stories that aren't really like the best things to hear. Wizard of Oz is definitely an example of that. But in the end, it's still a great film for 70 years. Um, just talking about it still blows my mind that it's been 70 years. Because I remember watching it the first time, I think back in like 2017. But I remember seeing a clip of it or two when I was like really, really young. I think I was like maybe eight years old. And then through time, when I found out ABC Family's doing again, that's when my mom tells me, Oh, they do it every year. They've been doing it since like when they were kids, which is crazy.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but that's what it's called now, right? Isn't that ABC Family or whatever? No, ABC, like the station is oh, it's still okay. So ABC is the one that told you okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_00But it's still again, if y'all haven't watched it yet, y'all should. Just because like I know people don't like watching old movies nowadays, and I had to say, y'all, like, watch them, watch old movies. They're like, it's not if it wasn't for them, you wouldn't get some of the great classics we have now. I'm just saying. Thanks. And yeah, and like I said, like ladies, like the guys back then, y'all would crush a lot more with the guys back then than some of the guys now, than any of the Chris now, if if we're gonna be like that. It's also very interesting. Yo, Brenner did this in um The King and I, which he won his Oscar for. But yeah, no, it's a classic, guys. The effects, the settings, I mean, the way Egypt was portrayed. And I remember, man, like it's like it's like the the last scene where he throws the tablets, you know, when he throws the tablets and that earth and the earth opens up, dude. That gets me. Like that gets to me. But um, yeah, and like I said, if it wasn't for like the stories of Moses, we wouldn't get to the stories now. And there's so many stories in the Bible up until now, especially with the prophets. But we're gonna take another break right now because I want to talk about another Heston classic, and then we're gonna get to the big one later on, but we're gonna break now. All right, and we're back. So I just want to dive into this one quickly. I know I keep going back and forth in the break, it's just really so to give my voice a break. But anyway, we're gonna talk about another good uh Charlton Heston classic, which is Ben Hur. Ben Hur was the first film to make the record of um having the most Oscar wins. It has 11 Oscars, and so far, no film has been able to beat that. Only two other movies were able to tie it, which would be Titanic and uh The Lord of the Rings, The Return of the King, which Lord of the Rings, Return of the King, I'll definitely be talking about in uh 2028 for its 25th anniversary if my podcast lasts that long. And also Chris Connor, if you're listening to this, you're welcome to do that one because one, come on, I would love to have you on the show. That's an old teacher of ours, but um I I gotta share, I gotta share the podcast with her.
SPEAKER_01I know I briefly I think I mentioned it to her that one time, but I gotta bring it to her. Let her know, hey, um, in two years gonna be making the Lord of the Rings anniversary podcast. So we're thinking maybe you want to come on down, share some of your insights.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but it's legit. I would say, me personally, it's not as a big epic proportion as the Ten Commandments is, but the most striking, I would say, I don't know, I don't know how you feel about either or, but that's just me. But um, anyway, Ben Her is basically like the story of uh he's a prince, a Judeo prince, I think that's what he is, who uh is sentenced to crime, or okay, it's been a while since I've seen it actually, but same here. If I can remember, like he uh he takes the crime for his family and he becomes uh a slave. And throughout his journey, uh at one point throughout his journey, he comes face to face with Christ. Here's the thing Jesus in this movie was uh made in 1959. The filmmakers were saying that you know how we were talking about how, like, sometimes you know people have problems with actress portraying Jesus with seeing their faces. You don't see the face of Christ in this film, like not at all. But even without showing the face of Christ, there's so much of it of an impact there. So there's a scene where like Judah he's being traded and he's chained, and all the Romans, because remember the Roman Empire had been occupying from what is Rome to probably what is known to what is modern day India. They've conquered almost all the peninsula in the Mediterranean, and they were in charge of the trades. And when the Romans and the other slaves, you know, stopped to get some water, they were making um Judah suffer. That's the name of the character, Judah Ben Hur. They're making Judah suffer without drink by not giving him water. And you know, Judah fell to his knees because he's like, This is the end for me, and he says, God help me. And Jesus comes in, pours water over his head, and then you know, has him drink. And people have they notice how interesting it is that um like that water should have been gone when the moment and that was all poured over his head. But I'm serious, like he's drinking like there's like gallons of water in there. I'm like, hey, he's drinking that Jesus water, it's it never ends, and both physically and metaphorically, it never ends. Um, I mean it's uh it's literally written, come taste God's water and you'll never be thirsty again. But the Roman was like, Hey, I took I said no water for him, and he sees Jesus, and like again, we only see the back of Jesus' head, but you see the face of the Roman that's like shocked. He's like, I don't, I feel like I shouldn't like pick a fight with this guy because he's literally gonna get some knowledge from Jesus if he tries to, and he's like, Okay, we're just gonna proceed. But it's a really great movie. Our Oda, she was at first one point our principal, then she became our superintendent, but unfortunately, she's no longer with us, she's with the lore now. But she was a uh this is paint this for you. She was a huge fan of this movie, and my sister also showed me this movie too. But she really loved it. I think it was like her favorite movie of all time. But um, yeah, it it's impactful. It is, and Charlton Heston won the Oscar for Best Actor for this movie. And like I said, it's one of those movies that's uh it's it's an intermission kind of a film, but you you guys should I always say you should give it a watch because it's such a great film to look at visually, and um, if you think about it, uh you don't get that many um biblical epic films anymore. Like I can't think of one modernly other than probably the next film we're gonna talk about. But even then, it wasn't that grand of a scale because like when you watch movies that came out, like Bible movies that came out, or like I mean, you were talking about Noah, but that's hardly a Bible movie, or even Exodus, which is also hardly a Bible movie, they're not biblically epic film. Like, and what I mean by that is that like the way the cinematography and the editing looks makes you makes you see how big the world really is. If y'all catch my drift, like going back to the Ten Commandments, and even like with the Prince of Egypt, like if you were crossing that the that sea, you realize like those walls had to be hundreds of feet high because like you are legit walking on the ocean floor. But that's what I mean by we we don't get that many biblical epic films, and maybe that's something I should take interest in. It's something that has to come back.
SPEAKER_01I mean, yeah, we we were America during 20s or during after the Great Depression was already going right back into a more family-oriented, let's go back to the kind of the springties uh religious outlook again. And um, I mean, yeah, the industry was listening and they said, Yeah, let's make it, let's do more here and there. And there's there's a lot of biblical films that we won't even get into that that happened during that time period. But uh, I mean, remember, it's not for them, the world was like, hey, the Ten Commandments made money. We can definitely make a whole bunch of other epics, and that's gonna make us money, surely. So uh obviously it's not really the intention is not to bring religion here or to bring the the the worldview into it for people for people who never you know who never decided to even think about it. It's just oh yeah, it's money, it makes money. And nowadays that's why you don't see it as often. I mean, but as you can see now, you have shows that are slowly bringing this stuff back. I mean, thanks to the chosen, it's what now people are like, okay, the shows like in at least the silver screen industry is going, and TV industry is going, hey, the chosen made us a lot of money. Well, guess what? I know we can copy that. So somebody else does it, and then you know you have novellas. That's that's how my parents are getting into it. So yeah, I mean, overall it's like it's coming back, it has a good resurgence in the TV in the TV screens, but honestly, it's gotta come back and film. It really does. It's gotta if you really want to see the parting of the Red Sea again, you gotta watch that in the biggest screen possible, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_00You know what? Hold on. Just for the heck of it, I want to see if maybe they'll re- re-release the Ten Commandments. Because seeing that on an IMAX screen, that's gotta be a problem.
SPEAKER_01I do think uh I'm not sure if this is correct or not. I don't know if they're showing the remake or the uh original, but I think Ben Hur is gonna be released sometime soon next month by Cinemark. But uh, I could be wrong. Uh, I don't know which version.
SPEAKER_00Well, then I hope hopefully it's the Hefton version because uh what I want to talk about is the chariot scene, real quick. So if you haven't seen this film, one, go watch it. Two, two, there's this what this movie's famous for was this chariot scene.
SPEAKER_01No, I'm just reminded of the uh the meme of the pastor when he's like, why wah wah wa. It's a funny meme.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's like a teeny evangelist is saying, why no, but um, yeah, the one of the most famous things about this film is this uh chariot scene, and it's a and I don't mean like guys, uh I remember back then there was no CGI and stuff like that. These were like, if we want a horse in the scene, we need an actual horse. In this case, it's I'm thinking like nine chariots of horses, and you can't really estimate that because certain chariots need a certain amount of horses, depending on how big or the material of the chariots. But yeah, no, these were actual legit actual horse racing, and somebody got hurt behind the scenes as well. There was a stump person because if you watch the movie, Judah and Masala that's racing, and in the movie, I think Masala's chariot breaks and he's trampled over by his own horses. Well, a stump man did that, and they're trying to figure out a way to make sure like he didn't actually get trampled, but the stump man actually did get trampled, he survived gratefully because guys getting trampled over horses, that's a lot of like I mean, no pun intended, that's a lot of horsepower. Horses are strong, they are strong, and getting trampled by like what nine horses. I I'm assuming it's been a while. Yeah, uh, you ain't coming back from that one. No, I know, yeah. No, they're like legit, like people have died, even getting kicked by a horse. Like, there they are no joke, but anyway, yeah. I the stunt man fortunately survived, but I thought it was the actor that actually got trampled over. Because legit, the makeup effects guys do, I thought like he looked like he was trampled over. Even like the voice of like, like, do you think your mother and sister are dead, but a lot more dead, like uh than what I put it at? But yeah, it's a very interesting and I what I want to talk about, and it's like the toughest thing because throughout this time, throughout this uh film, like he there's frequent interactions with Jesus, though we don't see his face, we don't get that interaction of with Jesus and Ben Her again until Jesus is already carrying the cross. And it's interesting because it's like I never thought much of it until I started like looking into the word. But like everyone was like looking, like he was part of the crowd that was watching Jesus. And when Jesus passed by him, Judah said, I remember that man, he gave me water. And at one point, Jesus like he couldn't in have the physical ability to keep moving, which is when the man of Cyrene came. But when the Romans were looking for someone to help, Judah grabbed like this big old, like this uh pail of water to give to Jesus, you know, as like trying to, you know, as in a way of thanking him for the first time around, but the Romans interfered because it's technically unlawful at that time to try to like aid a convicted criminal, I guess you can say. The reason why I say anything much of it until now, when he says, I remember that man, he gave me water, was that he only interacted with him once, and it was years ago. We're talking about seeing Jesus again when he's already beaten and whipped. In the Bible, it says Jesus was beaten and whipped so hard that not even his um his friends recognized him, you know. But I don't think people like actually cared. I think it's how I want to put it as like maybe the aura or the spirit around Jesus is probably what made uh Judah remember him rather than the physical attributes. But you know, when he witnesses the crucifixion, he goes back home and one of his friends was like, Did he say anything? And he says, Yeah, he said, Father forgives them, they know not what they do. And you know, and he you know, it's like one of those things people ask, What crime did this guy commit to to be executed in that way, technically? But I don't know, I think it's very interesting. It's those moments like that that gives me chills, and like I said, that's good script writing and good directing. And um the actor who played Jesus in this uh movie, he wasn't an actor, he was an opera singer, and it was his only acting credit. And um yeah, I think um just not showing his face really adds a lot, unless he got anything else to say.
SPEAKER_01Um, I mean, I would like to know that I I wanted to mention it's a movie that I would like to re-watch. Um it's one of the out of the out of the two that we just previously mentioned that I haven't actually watched in a very long time. I think the last time I watched it was maybe like four or five years ago. So it's something that I really do want to go get back into. It ultimately it it's always like I'm a guy who just likes physical media, so I'm not I'm keeping it short like that. So I'm sweep. And uh it's kind of hard to look for one that I can find. I mean, I can always go and get it off of Amazon, but I like to go to actual places, you know, support local businesses and whatnot. So it's difficult. And the journey's still going, but uh, once I do find that copy, I mean that's what that's the first thing I'm gonna do is head on back. And um to I guess end this off with, it's supposed to be coming out in uh March 29th, and I think April 1st and the second. Now it's funny because it says March 26th, like I'm sorry, not 26th, it says Ben Herr 2026, but the entire synopsis and even the poster itself, like uh is of the original. So I don't I I think it's just Cinemark's uh error on their part, but I think it's the original because uh if the remake is in as long as three hours and something minutes, then it it's gotta be the uh OG.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because the remake I think is like just two hours, which that tells you they cut out so much. Um but anyway, I looked at the guy, his name is Claude Heater, the guy who played Jesus. But yeah, it's uh it's I have the I don't have the VHS, I have the um the DVDs, but uh if I had the VHS, it would be one of those VHSs where like you know it's a long movie, so they had to give you two VHS. Yeah, yes, and how I know that, like going back, I had Titanic on VHS and I had the Lord of the Rings on VHS. Both are over three hours long, and they give you two tapes, so that that's how it goes. But yeah, uh Ben Hur is is a classic, timeless classic. It's one of those like Christian films that has a lot more of a Christian cast, um, especially back then. Like Charlton Heston was a Christian. I don't know about any of the other actors, to be honest with you, but uh, but it's like one of those movies that's like it's like one of those Christian movies that people were like, you know, it's not run by a stu a Christian studio, but it's it feels more like what a Christian movie should be. And there's nothing wrong with like the stuff that comes out on um, what is it, Pure Flex or um Angel Studios and stuff like that. But it's just that most of that can come off a little way, a little too preachy for a lot of us.
SPEAKER_01And unfortunately, it doesn't, I the way I see it, if I was just a general common person um who didn't who wasn't who who didn't believe uh or just was religious for that matter, yeah. I mean it's it pushes people off, fortunately. And you have epics like Ben Her and The Prince of Egypt that anybody can sit down and watch and go, hey, I didn't know Christ was going to be mentioned here, or I didn't actually know this was about the Exodus, but I mean it's it grabs your attention. That's what it's meant to do. And Pure Flix films and you know Angel Studios, Angel Studio Show has a lot of good bangers, believe it or not. Pure Fix has a lot of good bangers too. It's simply just if for the right audience, if you want to show it to somebody who's a non-believer, you're gonna have to be kind of picky on which one you want to show them.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um, we're gonna take one more break right now. All right, and we're back. So it's no surprise what y'all think the big one that we're gonna talk about is Passion of the Christ. Yeah, I was re-watching this earlier today, and bro, it's like I remember watching this like when my family got the DVD. To be honest with you guys, I didn't think much of it the first couple of times I saw it. And I think maybe it's because my eight-year-old mind wasn't really processing things too much, and I don't even think I was paying attention to it. But the older I get, the more into the world I tried to get into. And then when I rewatched again, it's unsettling, like big time. Here's what I mean. I was eating lunch when I was watching this. And by the time I finish eating, I say I stopped eating at a perfect timing because that's when the flogging thing happened. When I rewatched that last year, oh man, it's like it's hard. Let's put it this way you knew Jesus was wept, and like I thought, dude, I swear to you, I thought Mel Gibson was out of his mind, like creating these whips like this. But apparently that's literally whips were. And I'm like, dude, like if that was literally how he was wept, I mean, I couldn't imagine the actual pain. I mean, the actual pain of what those blades at the end of the whips. Let's put it this way: like, when I was talking about Jesus of Nazareth, you know, they try to censor it because it was ABC, it was a television, and um, this was 1976 when they were filming this. You know, they they couldn't show like a lot of violence or blood back in those days, but you could still hear the sound of the whips and the pain Jesus was in.
SPEAKER_01You could even see the horses, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Like, even if the visuals had to be minimal, like you could understand the pain. This movie, on the other hand, with the passion of the Christ, you see it all, and it's tough, especially like there's a part where like he gets hit in the ribs, and that's even like painful to watch. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like when I was talking about Pilate earlier, like Pilate here, like when the Pharisees were like, Okay, so when Jesus was in front of Pilate and Pilate was like, What do y'all want? And the Pharisees were like, Crucify him. You just see the look on Pilate's face. Because given crucifixion was gruesome back then, and keep in mind, whipping wasn't really part of the execution. Whipping was Pilate's way of making it minimal because Pilate did not want to execute him. He's like, You know what? We'll just have him flogged, and that's the punishment I'm gonna give him because he doesn't deserve to get executed that way. Remember, Pilate had no had saw no fault in him, he didn't see what the Pharisees saw, but obviously, in other reasons, Pilate wasn't Jew. And the Pharisees were like the Hebrew scholars and the religious leaders and stuff like that. So and he was a Roman. So, you know, the Romans don't follow the customs, the Israelites, and stuff like that. So even Pilate was like, you know, in any adaptation you'll look into, even in the Bible, he's like, none of this is really like a Roman problem. Even though they say if we let him go, it's gonna be a Roman problem. But he says this is more of like y'all's laws, not really Rome's laws. I know there's a lot to dig into, but it's pretty much he just didn't want to have Jesus executed at all, is what it is. And even Pilate's wife told him, like, this is a gifted man. But no, the worst part about that flogging scene is Mary was there. Both Marys were there. And I remember, like, I'm not crying. No, I remember, like, one time we were watching this, and my sister walked away and she said, could not be my son. And for the record, like her and my brother-in-law don't have kids yet. Like, she means like it could not be my son, couldn't be anybody's son. Couldn't it be two of our friends who just had a baby like a couple of months ago? Could it be their son? Couldn't be anybody's. It's just that when you know the story, Mary knew from the beginning she was told that your child will be lamb. And she knew what that meant. Because you know, during Passover, the lambs would be sacrificed to God, as in, you know, honoring what happened back in the times of Egypt when they sacrificed the lamb to put over the door frames. So when she heard that your child will be a lamb of the world, she knew what that meant. But it's like she knew, but it's like that doesn't mean she was prepared. That doesn't mean like she was ready for that to happen. But to the filmmaking aspect of it all, first, I know Mel Gibson gets into a lot of heat, and I don't care. Okay. Look, you know me, I don't get into the politics of anything at all when it comes to film and actors and actresses and stuff like that. Because if I base that off of everything, I will literally watch like or listen to nothing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And if you say like I don't want to watch it because Mel Gibson's not a good guy, watch The Passion of Christ, and then you realize what is a good guy really. But there's a lot that happened. Apparently, Lightning struck the set.
SPEAKER_01I think it struck Jim Caviso like twice.
SPEAKER_00Dang. I thought they said lightning never struck twice. That's just a myth. Oh man. Okay, but there's that. Jim Caviso, I think he had an allergic reaction to the makeup. And not only that, there was points where like film days would go on forever to the point where like they couldn't even like say, like, we don't have time for you to even take the makeup off. So you're gonna have to wear it till the next day. And I think he even dislocated his arm during the crucifixion scene and hurt his back. If you ever like watch the full credits, they literally tell you the amount of AMTs that were on set. And this film wasn't even filmed in the US. It was, I think it was filmed in Italy or somewhere in the Middle East, maybe in the Middle East, I don't remember. I just know it was a predominantly non-American cast. Jim Caviso, I think, was the only American actor like in that entire film. Because everybody else was either like European or Middle Eastern, a lot of Italians. And I know like there's a new uh movie coming out. I'll definitely watch it. I know like the actors are different and stuff like that, but I'm still curious. Do you remember what it was like the very first time you ever actually watched this movie?
SPEAKER_01Um, I will gonna say, like, first time we watched it, uh, my brother and I had gotten it on DVD. Our parents had watched it beforehand, and they never wanted us to watch it until we were old enough. So when we finally got DVD, that's when we were older enough. So we were able to watch through it because at the time, the only movies of Jesus that we could watch were of course those that weren't as explicit as this film was. So when we finally got to see this, I mean, I when we got to the flogging and uh all the way up until he is crucified, it was tough, man. A lot of times we paused and we actually like either one of us got out of the room or the other, and we were like, hey, let's pause it real quick. And we just I waited for hours. I think we ultimately finished watching the film after like maybe uh six hours because we just had to pause, we just couldn't keep going and seeing it because it's just wild. I mean, all of that happening, and apparently Jim did actually get flogged. I mean, they were always told that hey, don't hit him accidentally, make it look like it hit him. But unfortunately, how can you do that? I mean, it's kind of sometimes it's impossible to kind of know, hey, okay, I got him in the back, or it looks like I did, because you know, movie magic. No, he did get flogged a couple of times. And so knowing that a person was able to go through that, again, only a small tidbit of what we ended up seeing in this film is still not exactly how you could imagine that Christ went through, because this is probably one tenth of God allowing us to see what his son went through, which is one tenth. And so when you see that, you know it's in front of you, it is flexible, and um, you get time to think about it because you sit there and go, how could somebody do that? How could somebody choose to say, Okay, yeah, I'm gonna take this? But see, that's what it is. No other god or idol, right? No other idol, no other mentions in any religion would do the thing that Christ did. So it's sorry, I didn't mean to go out of tangent, but that's how we first viewed it, and we were like shocked. And uh yeah, I mean, yeah. If you've never seen this film out there who really wants to know about this, take your time. No one's gonna be mad at you. Take your time with it, especially when you get to these scenes. Pause, take a moment out, think about it, maybe. If not, take it some time to get yourself together, not to be so anxious, not to be so worried about it because it happened. So know that the one true loving God is He's literally here. He died, but he had to die to fulfill the actual promise that the old testament and all the stories kept saying, and he resurrected, and that's the one thing that makes him different from every single other religion.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, again, it's one of those like it's a tough to get through. It's like if you ever watch like anything that says the toughest moves to watch Street, the Passion of the Christ will be on that list because of how real it looks, and um it gets sad, it even gets scary at some points. Like when you see the devil in this movie, and the devil, I believe, is androgynist, I think that's how you pronounce it, which means genderless. Because what that basically means is like a character or a person looks it's almost close to, and you know I'm not an advocate of this, but it almost looks like the non-binary term, but the devil has always been seen as like not human. And when the cast I forgot the actress's name, but oh my gosh, she she terrified me.
SPEAKER_01Funny enough, see, I saw clips of the novella with them, and uh the way they portray the devil is almost similar. Like they have an actual character, or sorry, an actor or actress, I'm not entirely sure which, because the person is androgynous as well, and is clothed in dark, and the only difference here is that they put a voiceover on the voice, so it's not like you can tell it has a mix of women and men, so it's it's just to kind of not to label that as gender, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And again, like many adaptations of Jesus, well, you know, fictionalized stuff. Like, we know Judas was full of guilt, he wasn't really harassed by the devil, but I think that's what guilt really is to me. It's very interesting, like especially when you see like when he's like being attacked by the kids and the devils around him, and then like I don't know what it was, like a donkey or something that's decomposing right next to him. And that's like the moment he decides to, you know, hang himself on that tree. How about Judas, right? Yeah, Judas. It's like the acting is actually really bought on, especially like when it also came from Peter, who denied him at that scene. He like he didn't even want Mary to like comfort him because he's telling Mary, no, I betrayed it, or not betray it, but I denied him. It's so much. And it's like every time, I don't know why. It's like I I almost get teary-eye in any adaptation where Jesus looks at John with Mary and he says, you know, John, she'd be your mother, and then mother, he'd be your son. You know, that's just basically Jesus telling John, John, just take care of her when I'm not here. Yeah, it's it's a tough one, guys. It's like I'm not gonna get preachy here, uh, especially because, like, yes, guys, I'm aware I cuss a lot and I've said some things and I watch a movie called Sinners. Same here. I'm aware of all of that, guys. I'm aware of all of that. Because this isn't really a Christian podcast, though we do talk about Christianity a lot more on this podcast. But if you do want to get some good Christian content, one I recommend the Lord's Giant. Call that dot. Ben, if you're listening to this, Ben's the Lord's Giant. Ben, if you're listening to this, you have an open invitation within the next couple of months after this comes out. Who's the who's that puppet guy? I keep we keep watching.
SPEAKER_01Um uh Dylan. Or I mean the name of it is like uh Dylan's puppet puppet.
SPEAKER_00I think so. Um, yeah, y'all should or is it Dixon? Oh, I think it's Dixon. Yeah, yeah, hold on. I think it's Dixon. No, no Dinx. Dinks the puppet.
SPEAKER_01Dings, there you go, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, Dings the Puppet. Y'all should check that out. Like YouTube, like Alan Parr, y'all should definitely check out Off the Current Ministries with I think his name is John Kirby or Joe Kirby. He's from the UK. Plenty of them out there. Uh, what do you mean? It's a really good one as well. Like, they have some good content, and I get so much great learning from all of these folks. Yeah, because it's like I'm not perfect. I don't mean to be preachy and stuff like that. That doesn't mean I'm not gonna talk about Jesus either. You know, like I said, I'm not proud of when I cuss or anything. I'm like behind the scenes, even long before the podcast ever happened. I mean, I was a terrible person. Like I would be immature, I I cussed more a lot back then. I was sexually immoral, I like all that. And then God came to me. Now, yes, the things I say I shouldn't, and that's something I need to work on. And that's just me being real with you guys. But going with Jelly Rose said at the Grammys, it's like Jesus wants a relationship with people. And I know this part is like it turns people off. I understand that. Um but if you're willing to listen to other religions, at least have the decency to hear from us. And like it's not only that, it's even people who claim themselves to be Christians to even be turned off by this. And it's tough, it's like I don't like calling people out, but like we need to call people out. I'm not gonna call people out by name, but like y'all know me, I'm not a fan of doxing and stuff like that. But I feel like most of us, especially in today's political climate, like with ice and with the war in the US and stuff like that, I'm just gonna go back to what Pastor Ed said. Pastor Ed Mohan, the pastor of CBC Church, when Charlie Kirk died, and he didn't want to talk about it, especially on the politics of it all. And I'm okay if a church tries to stay away from political stuff. If they have a thought on marriage and you know being pro-life and stuff like that, they can talk about it if it doesn't get too political. Like, I talk about where I stand with all of this stuff, I just don't make it political. But to my point, he says, like, I don't care if you're on the Republican side or if you're on the Democrat side. It says, I care if you're on the Lord side. And that's also me too. And tons of people are gonna be like, no, I am on the Lord's side, but I feel like a lot of us are more of like, we're like the modern day zealots, you know. Yeah, the zealots were like rebellious Israelites back in the back in the days. Barabbas was a zealot. Most of us, we pretty much are Barabbas.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah. I guess I didn't mean to take it from you here, but just to kind of help you out. I mean, it's bringing it up, it's like Barabbas is a representation of all humanity, you know, like we do things immorally wrong, unethically, and this is not I'm not trying to get preachy about it, this is just taking it from a moral standpoint. Yeah, we do a lot of things that we ourselves are guilty of and sometimes we keep on doing it. Sometimes we do it once in a while and we'll sit there and be disappointed because we thought we were better than that. But that's what it is ultimately. Like if Pilate had told the crowds, who did you want to be set free? Barabbas a zealot or Christ. And humanity itself chose Barabbas because the earth loves the earth. People in here tend to I know you get the phrase love yourself, right? But I mean, yeah, it's a good to feel appreciative and to know that you can exist here and you have a purpose. But it's like you gotta know where did it come from? Who's the one giving you that purpose? And so Christ ultimately that's why I love the passion, because uh this scene right here is probably my favorite scene of the whole film is when Barabbas is free and he's all over like he kisses the soldier, right? And he's like, Yeah, I'm free or whatever. And he just takes one look at him. And Christ is just no expression of emotion, more simply of just taking well, the only not expressing any words by that. I mean the only emotion he expresses is a small, gentle smile because he wanted to know that hey, you think the people chose you to be free, but I gave you that freedom. I gave you the freedom to make the choices that you are here now and how you got to that point, and now I'm making what you should you should have been punished for. I'm gonna take it in your place. And so it's like humanity he saw humanity, he saw the good in humanity. He said, This is God's perfect creation that became imperfect, and now I'm here to rectify it. So it's just an amazing thing. Like in the word itself, it's amazing, and then just seeing it visually through that film is just like eye job.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, really, I have no words, but it's also like you know, you watch his Sermon on the Mount, even in the Passion of the Christ. The one thing that's like, you know, people are like, oh, it's like I love Jesus and stuff like that. Again, I'm not gonna call people out and stuff, but I know most of y'all, and I seen y'all social media accounts. I'm not trying to like pass judgment on y'all, but that doesn't mean like I'm not gonna call out the hypocrisy. That's one of the reasons, guys, why I'm not a political person is because people too lean too far into either too far right and too far left, and not many people like want to call out the hypocrisy. I'm not trying to cuss, but uh, I'm gonna say it cleanly as possible. They don't want to call out the hypocrisy, but I do. Just because like you're on what is the good side, that doesn't mean you're a good person or you're on God's side either. The other thing is that like you were always saying like Jesus taught us all to love our friends and neighbors, and again, given today's political climate and stuff, y'all forget that Jesus also taught y'all to love your enemies as well, right? And again, I know that's a difficult thing to do, but it says, if one man should strike you on the cheek, turn the other cheek. We are being told to hate our enemies, but I say unto you, love your enemies. And I took that seriously. Like, I did. Because it's like if I died at a moment in time and I see someone I didn't like, like someone I full on hated, and they're in heaven before me, and I know Jesus is gonna say, If I forgave them, how come you didn't? That's why I started taking that so much literally. Like, look, I don't like things that that are going on. I'm not a big fan of the president or the agents, but in the end, like when you take the pedestal off, when you take the uniforms off and all that, they're nothing but just a man. A man, believe it or not, that were created by God. And it's nobody else to judge but God, even though I do think we should have some judgment. And when people say, like, you know, only God can judge, I feel like you're forgetting what God judges in the first place. So that's why I say I'm not afraid to like call people's hypocrisy and all that. And if you want to have a conversation, then we'll have a conversation. But I'm also saying I'm not perfect either. Like I'm not better than you. It's I know that's a lot to take in, but I just want people to know that we're not all different. It's like you take the pedestals off, you take the uniforms off, you look people outside the screen. We're all just human and we're all flawed. And if you don't think we're flawed, then you have to look in within yourself. But like I said, I don't mean to be preaching, I'm aware of the things I say. I can promise you I won't stop cussing after this. Now, if I do end up stop cussing, that would be a miracle, praise Jesus. But that's just me, guys. This is the most religious it'll ever get until whatever we'll talk about in the future. But that's all I wanted to say. Like this season, it was just a lot to handle. Like after with Charlie Kirk and then things that happen on from then on. But you know, I wanted this to be an escape, and I'll still talk about movies and music and stuff like that. But this is the only like Christ-like message you'll probably end up hearing. But like I said, all of those Christian content creators, I really recommend y'all should check out. But and so I know you had an image that you want to talk about before we leave.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and share it. But for anybody out there that I will say I was talking to Gilbert earlier about it. Once you see the image, it's it may remind you of a certain artist back in Italy in like the I guess late 15th, 16th century. And uh his name was Caravaggio, uh, not Rembrandt. I got the two confused. But if you know who Caravaggio is, his paintings have gone through a lot of reception and uh often seen in a lot of our history books, specifically like the ones of the head of Medusa or David and Goliath. I mean, those two are pretty among his most uh infamous works. So when I share it, it's more you'll be surprised because you'll think that it just looks exactly like his work. See, and I don't know if y'all can see that, but this is the mocking of Christ, or sometimes referred to as Christ with a mocking soldier. This was uh actually painted by uh artist Carl Bloch, who was Danish. And this was not an actual 16th or 17th century painting. This was honestly recently, when you think about it in terms of the century. It was done in 1880. So yeah, I mean, like you could put it right there and say, Well, that's amazing. But this really did speak out to me. I was watching a bunch of videos over the past couple of months, and this was recommended to me, as a matter of fact. And it just had the image just has the thumbnail is this image with the words, I forget what the question was, but it was a question. And as I watched the video, this person is introducing us to the image and sharing about what it means to him. And as we know, art has many different interpretations, and so this is my way of seeing this painting and what it says to me. I mean, as you can see, this is like the when Jesus was arrested and was placed on the image just after he had been flogged. So he was as you see in the word, um, at least the gospels, the Roman soldiers had mocked him, they flogged him, and they dressed him up as a king because he was uh, as they said, the king of the Jews. But of course, that's not what he claimed to be. He claimed to be the king of a kingdom that is not of this earth. So they couldn't understand that, and they just thought, okay, this guy is crazy. So, you know, they tortured him essentially, and they gave him his crown of thorns, and here you see it as plain as view. Christ is just staring at you, staring at the viewer. So if you are seeing this now or in the future, or if you ever come across this painting in the location that it currently is in, if this to me feels as though the Lord is just staring beyond this painting, that he's there looking and asking you, what are you seeing? And so what I see is this person, um, this the soldier here towards the left, he seems like he's like mocking him. But here's the thing what is he saying to him? Could it be that he's mocking his um his supposed hierarchy of what his name's supposed to be? Or is he simply disgusted at him and views him as any other regular criminal that uh sometimes they just torture for fun, because that's their job. And unfortunately, as humanity can be evil sometimes, it uh a lot of these guys get a kick out of punishing people. So you don't know what he could be saying here, and that could mean a whole bunch of things. The same thing here with uh, I believe honestly, it the um the palm branch that he's holding, the stick. I mean, a lot of people have said that this is Jesus holding that as his scepter, whereas I sometimes see it as the Roman soldier is still pegging him on. He has that, and that's the thing he used to flog him. But it's different to the viewer, right? So it could be it could go both ways. But um, the way I'm seeing this here is I don't think there is any other kind of image that I've seen. This is only one image, and there's plenty of other images depicting this scene, depicting anything about Jesus. And as I see this, I don't see an Americanized version of Jesus. I see an individual, I see a living, loving being decided to come down to this earth and to simply choose to give himself up because he could not see the creation that he uh created go to waste. He couldn't see this, he couldn't see all of humanity go and say, you know, I feel extremely, extremely bad. He couldn't just think and say, you know, it's just worthless i can wipe everybody out and i move on to the next start over again like our dinosaurs got extinct etc point eight point being just by him in his image staring at the viewer staring at us is to show that he literally loves you that he did this because he wanted to much like he gives a he gave us free will to choose what our actions make of us he chose to do this because it could have been anybody could have been your family could have been the children that you have now it could have been you but we know that none of us could do it because we would all chicken out i mean why why would we want to get tortured nobody wants to go through that and I'm sure Christ himself didn't want to go through it initially but he did it because he loves us and this image is just something that I look at now not only to remind myself because again just like Housegivers mentioned none of us are perfect beings myself included I would love to stop cussing every now and and then and it works and I'm glad to be in a position because I believe the Lord is able to give me a position to where I have to watch myself in what I say especially when I was teaching it was a great way to kind of help me practice to know hey you can't be cussing in front of students. You can't cuss in front of your peers or colleagues. So it helped a lot and every so often it's more of I regulate my cussing sometimes at home. But you see I don't want to be doing that either not not in front of my family. So it's I'd be very happy and I would feel extremely blessed to know that if I could stop cussing I can and I know I can it's just hard because uh it's it's hard to break habits as they say but it's not impossible. Through him all things are possible. And so this this uh this I'm very happy to have uh ended at least to hopefully end the conversation here and uh again I like to let people know this this this will most likely be like as Gilbert said most likely be the only time we ever get to uh express the belief in what we believe is to be the true God who has experienced both who goes across time and space time and space doesn't exist for him it he's beyond that. And uh the natural world is what he made it's the physical physical evidence of what he did and what he has done and will keep doing and um I hope that people who see this and have heard all of us I heard both of us talk today if you really do want to give up your life for him it's always anytime. He's always there for you. He's always listening.
SPEAKER_00Just as he is here in this painting he's here with us and he's not gonna leave us but yeah yeah that that's um literally like not a bad way not just to end this episode but to end the season. Like yeah you know guys I'm just gonna say this from a different perspective as well. Something I also learned in church don't let the news and social media also dictate your mind. And his words also means don't let strangers dictate your mind as well that make you alienate you know friends and family because this stuff is what we need like like when we say y'all need Jesus we're not playing around like like I do believe we're approaching the end times. I've doubted for a while but well I mean like they literally said you'll you're gonna hear stories of wars and rumors of wars and the amount of false prophets it's like this is stuff that I can't ignore anymore. But all I can do is just continue to talk and I don't know what's gonna happen once this season is over if we have a world any longer and if we do while this season while the next season is going on then it's also not waste time. Maybe uh the last thing I can say right now is to end this season I can do this this way is one just say first of all rest in peace Chuck Norris lastly to end this season I'm just gonna say the word the last words of Christ well the last words of Christ and then my usual ending and that is father in your hands I offer you my spirit it is accomplished. Thank y'all for the season guys you guys have a great night day morning whenever you're listening to this we're ending the season now. Have a good night everybody and God bless God bless to call Ben God bless my friends hi if you like our content and want to get more content please follow us on Instagram at tough love pictures along with our YouTube under Tough Love Pictures