Episode 53

Gilbert and Jesus are back with a new season and Gilbert and Jesus talk briefly about the movies they didn't get to mention on the podcast and Gilbert has some great news. 

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SPEAKER_03 0:15

All right, and uh we are back for season five. How can I actually start this off? Because there's so many ways. Like, I can go guess who's back, back up again. Yeah. Uh what else is there? It's been a while. And man, what else?

SPEAKER_01 0:32

It's been a while.

SPEAKER_03 0:34

Yeah, I'm trying to think what else. This I was literally like framing it too. I was like, what others could I say?

SPEAKER_00 0:40

You could say, Mama, come in home.

SPEAKER_03 0:43

Oh, since I was since I worked ACDC concert.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

Oh, yeah, it's good.

SPEAKER_03 0:50

I feel bad for whoever's driving, they have to hear that. Anyway, yeah, we're back on a season five. So as of right now, guys, I'm still debating if I'm gonna continue this season oh, or if I actually want to do like one to two weeks every other episode. But I'll get I'll cross that row when I get to it in May. Because in May, there's a lot of stuff happening for 2027, but we'll cross that bridge when we'll get to it. And maybe I still want to continue doing the live podcast in front of a convention. That was really cool. Hopefully, maybe next year uh Corpus Christie Comic-Con will want me back, and hopefully I get a bigger crowd and uh because I was on the early Friday. That's kind of like why. Like, if you've ever heard it's so it's kind of dead, it's because like early when the show starts on a Friday, it's like there's hardly anybody there. Plus, I think I was like the second panelist of that evening. Anyway, so this is just gonna be like how I kind of started off last season, just without all the well, I wouldn't say all the political stuff, but at least you'll figure it out once I start talking a lot more. But I just kind of want to talk about like some of the movies I've seen since this came on the journey with me on some of those movies. So for the sake of it, like the ones he hasn't seen, I won't spoil, but especially if y'all haven't seen them either. But some of the bigger ones that we did see, we will have a lot of like spoilers and talking points. But let's just start with the bottom of the barrel. This one I am just gonna give out spoilers because I don't think a lot of people actually a hundred percent cared, but like these two movies specifically, so like I was gonna say, let's just start off with yeah, with the bottom of the barrel, one of them being scary movie six. Now, I can't say I'm disappointed as a lot of other people are, but I even can agree that it was not as funny as the I would say just the first three. I love the first three scary movies. I still get some enjoyment out of four. I've actually cleared away from five, but I heard like five isn't really like even the people who gave five a chance, they just like were like, you know, it's not the Wayne's brothers, there's no Ana Ferris or Regina Hall. It's just there, you know. And it's yeah, it's interesting because like it has Ashley Tisdale for those that if you grew up in the early, like and I mean I mean early Disney Channel times with like Zach and Cody in high school musical. She also did a music video for a band called Boy, Boy Likes Girl. Is it Boy Likes Girl or Boy Meets Girl? So yeah, it's Boy Likes Girls. It's a song called Love Drunk, if I'm not mistaken. Funny enough, I have two laptops in front of me, and yet on our meeting, we're having uh I have the share screen. So I could have literally could have just been like, okay, let's check on this laptop, but I'm just viewing on my other laptop, which is better, I think, because of copyright reasons. But yeah, it's Love Drunk. It's a weird video, too. But when I heard that they were coming back to do Scary Movie Six and that the Wayne were coming back, and that everybody, Ana Ferris, Regina Hall, who was at John Abrams and Lachlan Monroe from the first film. I was like, I'm sold. Yes, count me in. And like they were selling it hard. Because I mean, like, because Sis and I went to a convention in March, it was um big Texas Terror. I think I mentioned that in the past. And on the Sunday that I went, it was the scary movie panel with Lachlan and John. And man, put those two together in a room, everybody's gonna want to be there. He actually he said, anybody want to see? I think John said, anybody want to see me and Lachlan in uh what was it, heated rivalry season two? And the all the girls just started screaming. That's crazy. I mean, like these guys are like in their 50s, almost sixties, but I don't know. Speaking of that, you girls want to want to see Tom Holland and Timothy Chalamet and Heater Rivalry. Well, maybe Lachlan could, because Heater Rivalry, I did not know this is a Canadian show, and Lachlan Monroe is from Canada. Which I get yeah, I get that show didn't get uh Emmy nomination because it didn't qualify. I think it's because how international it was, but I don't know. Well, I wouldn't say international, it's literally right above us. But to my point, going back to it, I was sold, you know, aside from maybe Terrifier 3, which John Abrams was in, and Laclan Munro was also in a couple of other horror movies like Freddie vs. Jason. He did uh I think he did a movie called Totally Killer. I think he was also in um man, what Riverdale. He I think it was also in Riverdale. I haven't seen the show. I do know um Skeet Ulrich is also in that show, along with the great Luke Perry. And um Anna Ferris has done a lot of other stuff. She was in a show called Mom with Alison Jenny, who won an Emmy for that show. Regina Hall um last year was in One Battle After Another. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so they did a lot of a lot of stuff since then. And of course, like the Wayne's obviously the white chicks, come on, how can you not? And uh everything else. Marlin came out with his first three comedy specials, which I'm actually surprised that it took him well, I believe 2017 to do his very first comedy special. I thought it was his very first Netflix special. Remember, back in the 2010s, Netflix dominated the comedy scene, like literally taking over Comedy Central for you know comedy specials. And now because we got so many streaming services, they're kind of like everywhere else, too. The only thing is I haven't seen like Disney Plus comedy special, unless you're connected with Hulu because of that deal they do, or they still do HBO comedy specials, but now it's an HBO Max special. But to my point, they've been doing great. So finding out they were all coming back, I was sold, I got my tickets, and like I said, I only went to see Scary Movie 7 just to see the trailer to Scary Movie 6. And like I said, I could have just like watched the trailer and then leave the theater. But I was like, you know what, I'm already here, might as well, you know. And yeah, I I kind of wish I left the after the trailer because that movie was trash, scary movie six, I mean, or seven. Well, yes, and yes and yes. Screen seven, yes, and even scary movie six, I have problems with, which I'm gonna get to. They said they weren't gonna hold back on the comedy. I feel like they did hold back, and it's very interesting. Like, um, and it's not only that, it's like everything they it didn't feel connected in a way. Because remember, like with what I liked about the scary movie movies and versus all the other parody movies that I'm gonna eventually talk about, they were still a story. You get what I mean? Like, yes, it was the scream and what was it, I know what you did last summer storyline. There was still a storyline, they were able to connect in there. Scary movie six, I think, tried so hard to like try to mash almost like 20 years of film, especially a lot in the 2010s, into one movie. And I think they just I don't know, I think they just like forgotten how to structure it in a way, because it's like it's supposed to be in the in the structure of Scream 5, and everybody else came back, including um especially Officer Doofy. And you know how long it took me to realize what he meant by special Officer Doofy, which like that movie when it when did it come out, like 2000, I believe. Yeah, 2000, first page 2000. But the thing is that like he's still like doofy. You get what I mean? Like, like he's still in that uh, what's that word? Like, I guess you can say he's still in character, but it's like we already kind of saw what happened at the end of Scary Movie, where like they did the usual suspects. Turns out he was faking it the entire time. But then again, these movies were never all about consistency, which is why you know they all got killed off on the first film and then the second film, a lot of them came back. But they've shared it, that's what I was looking at. It's kind of funny how he was able to put all that back um like 20 years later, or 25, 26 years later, which is uh here's a funny story. Um, so it's like they because they written the script, the Wayne's Brothers, and of course, in the script they do mention like Doofy is special. So Dave Sheridan was the only one that ever showed up to the audition in character and almost took the method actor approach, or he kind of stayed in character. Uh I believe week one of filming. And apparently, from John Abram, I think it was John that said it at the QA, he said that he was so in character, they thought he was actually in special needs. And Keenan Ivory Wains, who who directed the first film, decided to mess with everybody. Him and they decide to mess with everybody and just be like, hey guys, so you know, Dave is you know a special needs person, so let's just let's take him on an adventure, right? And they he literally Dave Sheridan committed to the entire bit until the like the end of the day, and he's like, Well, thanks everybody. And everybody just is like in shock that is like, oh my gosh, you were faking it the entire time. Now, I will agree, yes, that take on the character now wouldn't go so well. Um, but there's there's a line and limit to like ways of like I guess you can say acting as someone in special needs. Like this one is obviously for jokes and stuff like that, but some of them try too hard. Like, if you ever watch John Travolta and um uh what's that movie called The Fanatic? Or is um you won't believe it's the movie directed by Fred Durst. And it starts John Travolta. Yeah, it's yeah. Oh no, it gets even funnier what I'm about to say. It starts John Travolta, yeah, as a um autistic fan of a I believe he's an actor uh that's put that's played by Devin Sawa. Um and it's funny enough, that's what brought Devin Sawa back. It wasn't Chucky or any other horror movies that came out. It was that movie that um it's one of those so bad it's good. It just depends on who you are, but um, so like a room quality, yeah. Yes, but but the thing is Fred Durst isn't much of a filmmaker, so I think he tried and even because remember back in the 2010s, John Travolta kind of fell off a bit. Um but yeah, it he was just more like I'll just take whatever role I can get. Um, so it was it was that kind of a thing. That's the kind of like form of like trying to portray somebody whose special needs that you shouldn't go down because he really tried too hard. Like he made him like kind of uh like a whiny, wimpy, um all that stuff. Uh so yeah. So and I don't know, because like I um I've always talked about my camp kids, and one of them is autistic. Um and it's funny enough, her boyfriend, my my boy Gene. Um, don't don't worry, guys, if you're if you're confused, she's actually 22. 21 or 22. Um, she's 22, but she's always seen me as her dad figure. And um, my boy Gene is about a year and a half younger than I am. So legally, yeah, uh it's you shouldn't have to worry about that. Um before Robert Pattinson shows up. And yes, we were we're gonna get to Robert Pattinson pretty soon, so um, but to my point, some of the other jokes in that film were just like not hitting well, or we're just like, I don't know if we should. And it's there's just other stuff too. Like, there's the whole um I was like, they're trying to do a scene from scary movie where like um the character of Wes was killed by was his mother Judy Hicks um from the fourth film, and they did that, but was Lachlan's trans son in the movie. I don't know if Lachlan Morrow actually has a trans kid or not. Um but um they were just recreating that scene and Ghostface calls uh Lachlan's son, I forgot the character's name, but he's but he's like, I'm about to come kill you. That's what Ghostface is going. And um Lochland's son is like, well, well, you can't because the Gardners, the plumbers, they're all here. And then the next clip is they're all getting detained because they're all Hispanic by ice. Um and I don't know, like you you can imagine like the clinching from all the everybody in the theater, considering how big ice is now. I'm not I'm never gonna talk about this just because of for personal reasons, but um just say uh I had mixed emotions about that uh about that scene. I was like, wow, I can't believe they go there, but is now really the time to actually go there. Yeah, I get it, no holds bar, and I'm all for it. But there's also certain points where I'm like, um, can you really? But and it's like the other issue is that like if you like this, if you liked if you like this movie, I have no problem because that's your opinion. Somehow you just get labeled as like sensitive um, well not sensitive, if you like this movie, you're labeled as like what the liberals like to call like a fascist, uh misogynist, all the all the labels that they like to use. And if you didn't like this movie, then you're considered like sensitive or stuff like that. So it divides people, which is something I don't really like in a film. Um, and then it just ends weird. I mean, the uh the ghost face reveals, which were the Wayne's brothers, um, spoiler alert, y'all. But I mean, I don't know if anybody was ever ever gonna like watch this at home, but I'm pretty sure some some of y'all did, but it was a better reveal than what we got in Scream 7. Um, let's just put it like that. And funny enough, the motivation actually works on why the ways were like, this is why we're we're doing this. Um but other than that, like it's it's just I don't know. It's and there's also like certain films that they said they were gonna mimic and stuff, but I haven't seen the like either The Quiet Place uh or the It Mimics, and they said they were gonna do those two, and it's even all over the marketing too. If you ever so I yeah, I'm looking at the picture of Ghostface as the hook man from I Know What You Did Last Summer, which I haven't seen the I guess the reboot from last year or the recoil, if that's even a thing anymore. But he's also but Ghostface has a pennywise mask. Um there's that and I also did not see any uh anything that involves um uh what's that show? It's the Korean show. Um shit, I'm drawing a blink right now. Red light. Red light. Um Squid Games, yes. Um, they didn't have anything squid games just in the marketing. So yeah, and no quiet place jokes, because you think like Quiet Place, you know, these are uh creatures that that are um set us like they're attracted to sound, so you would think like all the fart jokes were gonna be there, and then the center scene only happens for like a brief minute. I I'm like, and that's about it. Yeah, it just never got into it. I wish I liked it a lot more, but yeah. Let me look at all the new releases so far. So hold on. Because it wasn't just a scary movie that I had a problem with, but while I'm looking at, um, I know you didn't get a chance to see that, but like when you saw the reactions, what was your thoughts, um Jesus?

SPEAKER_01 16:50

Um, I mean, I I thought it was pretty interesting. I thought I thought it's it's something that uh I'd be willing to check out. I mean, at the time I like as anybody would, I guess, uh, if you if you dedicate yourself to to film, you're gonna be watching almost every single release that comes out. And then sometimes you just you you just have to pick and choose what you want to watch. And uh at the time, I mean, I I was so interested in going to go see it. But somebody was telling me, okay, it may just be okay, it may not be exactly what I was hoping to see. Uh, and it also kind of didn't help that I kept watching a trailer after each trailer came out. So it was like, okay, well, I'm kind of getting the gist of the entire film. So it's it's it's like it's like an old end story. You want to watch something, but you get so interested in it, you keep watching all the trailers that come after, and it kind of tells you everything. You know? So it was kind of like, okay, let me let me not let me let me take a minute and not uh from now on like from now on, when there's a movie I'm so interested in watching, like for example, I'm sure we're gonna get into Friday Kilmary, um, but uh I I saw one trailer and that was it. So that was a long album. I'm gonna go I will watch this and that's why I don't want to watch anything else. So it's kind of it's like that. Like you guys always say you want to watch all everything that's coming out, but sometimes how much is too much, you know?

SPEAKER_03 18:24

Yeah, um most of the the trailer spoilage stuff, that's actually a blum house problem. Um a lot of things are the blum house problem.

SPEAKER_01 18:32

It's a lot of studios' problem, especially um Paramount is so so bad at doing that. Like there's so many like uh Paramount is just a another example of how bad they give out everything in like two trailers.

SPEAKER_03 18:51

Yeah, all right. So moving on to the next film, um, which is also when I I know you and see um and honestly, like with these movies, you don't really miss out much, but I'm gonna talk about Supergirl real quick. Um Supergirl so I meant to say something real quick before we start.

SPEAKER_01 19:10

Yeah. Okay, so I want to tell you that ultimately it's it's not the act. Okay, the trailer I watched, I was interested. I liked, I had the I I understood the premise. I had a good idea as to what I was gonna go into. So there were two things that literally threw me off. One, Jason Momoa. I'm sorry. I know Jason Mamola people like I don't. I don't see the appeal, I don't understand it. It's just okay, he he he is who he is. I just don't like like shoot. I didn't even want to for example, I didn't want to watch Fast Dance for a while because they had Jason Momoa, and I was like, great, because I he just doesn't he doesn't interest me. Um so that's just cool, that's just one rank. The second thing, um I think this is not an issue of who they hired in terms of the writing or in terms of the cast, uh which I'm being hypocritical by saying that because again, Jason Hamar, but I mean in terms of like the the lead actress and the uh what and what have you I don't think the erection was the problem, I don't think the writing was the problem, and I do not think the you know everything else about the film was a problem. I honestly believe this is just the unfortunate circumstance that any time it's a character that is almost one-to-one with uh with with their male counterpart it just doesn't do so well. And I mean unfortunately we've seen this with every single supergirl iteration. I'm not counting I'm I'm not counting the TV shows per se, because I know at least one of the TV shows is pretty good. Uh Super Girls show is pretty good. But in terms of the Ashugoda adaptations, it's unfortunate that people just felt CV appeal. And I think ultimately that's where it came down to. It's a complete failure. It was doomed from the start.

SPEAKER_03 21:16

Yeah, so the the funny thing though is that like I think uh people really went to the theater just to see Jason Momoa. Um it it it just becomes more of an issue of well, it's not really just like um it became more of a PR issue because like uh Millie at Melly Atlock, I think that's how you say her name, um, has said like a couple of things that's kind of put her on the edge. Um but it's something about like white Christian men and stuff like that. Um it didn't help that Dean Kane knit the whole situation where I say what y'all want about Dean Kane. Um I wasn't put I wasn't really a big fan of the the guy, no matter no matter what, uh regardless of politics. And stuff. It's not because like of um things he says, just because of like um I just never really seen him in anything else. I'd never seen the Superman and Lois from the 90s that had Dean Kane and Terry Sancher. And the worst part is that I heard Terry Sancher is even worse than Dean Kane. But it it's it's different sets of stories, but um but Millie Atlock was really good as the character. I'll give her that. But I wish I would like to see how Sasha Kaye, um, the actress who played Supergirl in the Flash movie that came out three years ago, I would have liked to see more of her because I think like there was potential, but because remember, like DC didn't really know what they were doing with their universe, there's their whole m mindset was just competing with Marvel, and they kind of still aren't in that mindset, even with James Gunn behind everything. Um but and it's an interesting storyline because it's like the first uh I wouldn't say the first DC movie, but close enough to the first comic book movie where apparently like the whole like layout of the movie is actually from a comic book, like every detail of the characters, the storyline, everything. Um and uh dude, I don't know why, but I liked uh I liked crypto pretty much because like I grew up with that show, I think it was on Cartoon Network about crypto, yeah, the super dog. But what I was gonna say earlier is that like no matter what, um, I was I wasn't even a fan of the Superman that came out last year. I thought it was an all-right movie, but it's just there's like um all the politics of it all kind of like downgraded it for me. Not not within the movie. I've always I had to reiterate that from like last uh time ever I talked about that. It wasn't the politics in the movie that I hated. It's everything outside of it. Um, because yes, there's two uh different countries at war in the movie, and given the real world situations we've had was Russia, Ukraine, as well as Israel and Palestine. Um, both sides, and I really mean both sides, um, were just like they were they were kind of mad at James Gunn for adding that. Either one was called one side was calling James Gunn like not woke enough, or the the other side was going um James Gunn is woke. And I just sit here thinking, maybe y'all should just can y'all for once maybe turn off your political brain and just watch a movie. And like I said, I'm a political, so it's like I had no problem doing that. Um and I've never even seen it like that. James Gunn said he never intended for people to look at it like that. If you if y'all believe him or not, I don't care to be honest with you. But outside of that, like I I don't think I was feeling it being an N media's ray either, which basically means, and we're gonna talk about it later on because we are yes, gonna talk about the Odyssey. Um, N Media's Ray means like in the middle of things. So it's like Superman is already established as Superman. But I I it didn't have that pull as like Matt Reeves the Batman, which Matt, please hurry up. We've we've been waiting god knows how long. Um it's not like Batman's uh or Matt Reeves the Batman, which was technically also in media threat. Um, but it's also kind of established that Batman still like knew at his job, even though he said he's been doing it for two years. Um and also but even like also the um what was it, Tim Burton's first Batman movie was also technically in media threy, but we never really cared. You know, we're just like, oh, this is a bat like an actual theatrical release Batman movie because Adam West's Batman movie was in uh was a television film. But everything was okay uh with Supergirl. Um Jason Momoa, I mean, I'm a I'm I met the guy, he's really cool. And um him as Lobo, I think, was better than him as um Aquaman. Um Alan Richardson will always be my Aquaman. Uh I'll talk about him with the Steven actually in the future. I think maybe this the next episode or the episode after. Um I I've been debating. It just depends on how um him and I um when him and I meet again. But um anyway, um there's that, but then there's also moments where um where like Supergirl just acts like a Debbie Downer sometimes. Um and she's constant it's mostly like I understand also why, because in the movie, like she's literally like the last uh daughter of Krypton. Because in this uh comic, so they go by different uh comic books eras. So in this comic book era, not Supergirl's name, uh not Supergirl, but I mean like Kara. I was gonna say Kara Zorel is actually younger than um Kalel. And some people are gonna be like, isn't that always the case? No. Um, so in the older comic books, as well as in the television show back in the 90s, the animated one, Kara was already a teenager when Krypton exploded and um Kalel was sent to Earth when he was a baby, but she was frozen in time. Some say in like she got caught in the Phantom Zone. Others say like she was in this like void in space that froze her, which was why she stayed the same for an X amount of years. So, in this comic book, as well as what's in the story, Krypton was already destroyed, Kalal was sent to Earth, and then many years later, uh Supergirl was born in a separate city of um Argo City, I believe that's what it was, which is the most famous city uh in Krypton. And like in other variations, the separation of Argo City was actually not caused by like um um Krypton wanting to survive, it was actually caused by Brainiac. Uh, because in the comics, Brainiac has an obsession with collecting cities from different planets, and in some variations, that's the reason why Krypton was destroyed in the first place. But it's it's I want to see how this goes from there. I think there's a lot more potential with her um as the character, especially that we I think next year we're getting the Superman man of tomorrow. Um but this is also technically a newer like universe. But you also have to remember that we just came off the failed DC universe. I mean, Aquaman was literally like the last one. Um, and it it ended like three years ago, so it's like I mean, we don't know what's really happening. The atmosphere is so and so for certain folks and stuff like that. Like we're getting playface this October, and I I'm pretty ex it's like I want to say I'm excited, but it's also like what if I give my hopes up way too high, and then I watch it, and then it's just like um not as what I expected. Um I'll still watch it, but yeah, but the fact is that it's a horror movie and it's rated R. So it's like, ooh, okay, so would does that give my expectations up a little bit higher? Yes, but in the end, I don't want to get get it you know too high. And if it does become like this bigger, like people liked it a lot more than Supergirl or even Superman for that example. Um, then I would say maybe James James, maybe you should um stick to R-rated horror films because apparently that's more of a better success. And you know, people are waiting for Constantine 2. Um, I told his students if I was to ever do a comic book movie and a horror movie, I would do like a Raven solo film. I'll still die on a hill with that. Um like I was like, I can imagine like, and I wouldn't know where to go with it, to be honest with you. It's like, where would you go? Would you go with the Justice League Dark universe or the Teen Titans? Um both are very like both is what um Nick Raven in the comics is part of. Yes, Teen Titans is mostly, but she's also part of Justice League Dark, where I think she fits a lot more better uh live action. But people like me and the Seuss who grew up with the show, I mean, why would we not want to see like the an actual better version of the live action of Teen Titans than what we got from the other DC show Titans? Um, but I would also make that like a like a very horror-esque film, obviously. I mean, because it you kind of have to put it like that. You get what I mean? If you're doing a Raven solo film, it has to be a horror film. Um, you kind of have to have like some supernatural lore and stuff like that. It just depends on like who you cast as Raven, um, especially who you cast as Trigon. Like I was telling a serious, if I was just to want it to attract the um the horror fans, I would have gotten Brad Doriff as the voice and like and just get somebody to do the physical part. Um but that might not happen because uh it's not the fact that Brad Doriff is getting old, which he is, uh, don't get me wrong. It's because he doesn't want to do anything else besides Chucky, because that's really like his thing. Um he only comes out of different stuff if um if like his daughter Fiona wants him to be part of a project, or if um wants to do something, uh Dom and C created the the child's play movies and the show. If he wants to do something and wants Brad to be part of it, Brad will do it. But it it just varies. It's not like I have everything controlled, but uh James, if you're hearing this and you wanna if and you wanna like take a chance on a Raven solo film, hey, I'll I'll do it. You know, because it would be really cool. Um it'll be like getting sorry, killing two birds with one stone. You make it a superhero film and a horror film. Um that's that's a good idea, yeah. Yeah, it's just it's good, it's I it's a good idea. It's in practice, it's gonna be a little bit different. But um, to my point, those two films um were just the bottom of the barrel for me so far. I wouldn't say the worst of 2025 or 2026, sorry. But um I heard I heard we've had some pretty bad films, especially recently with Eli Ross's Ice Cream Man, um, which was a film I wasn't even gonna watch it anyway. Uh that's just the marketing and trader just did it didn't cut it for me. And I thought it was a remake of another film with um Clint Howard, Ron Howard's son. Because he did a movie called Ice Cream Man too. So I was like, oh, is this a remake of a film that nobody really knew about? Oh no, it's it's an original Eli Ross original, but yeah, I got more to go. Um, but I'm gonna take a small break right now, so we'll be back. Okay, guys, um, we're back. So I'm gonna get like into two movies that were more neck and neck for me, as in like pretty okay, but not the best. And then two movies that actually surprised me. Um and these are also like something Assuss hasn't said, but it's something I want to talk about. But I told Astus about them. Um, not the plots, but like how I felt. Uh when I turned 30 this year, or this past June, uh, my family wanted to go see uh a movie. Um they want to watch a film that I'm I'm about to talk about later on when we talk about Project Hell Mary. And at first my older sister wanted to watch Scary Movie 6, um, which I would I wouldn't have complained if we watched it again, because maybe there would have been something I could appreciate later on, but um we didn't do that. Um we were gonna watch Disclosure Day, and we are gonna talk about Disclosure Day. Um actually disclosure day is in this realm of what we're gonna talk about. Um, but we didn't do that either. So we settled on on a movie that I don't think anybody's heard of this past summer called Um The Death of Robin Hood, which starred Hugh Jackman. Um I forgot her name, but um Jody Comer, there you go. Uh Hugh Jackman and Jody Comer, um Noah Jube, uh Bill Skarsgard. I'm not gonna lie, it's A24, and I'm not saying like A24 films are boring, but sometimes they can be because they're all more about like story and and like talking rather than like something that builds up towards it. And we're kind of yeah. But yeah, because it's more about like it's rated R. So it's like if you remember all the childhood, like Robin Hood stories you were told, especially like the one from Disney. Yeah, it takes a very, very dark turn. It's just more about like like what if like the Robin Hood that we grew up hearing was not what we grew up hearing? What if it's a darker, like more grittier Robin Hood who actually doesn't care about anyone but himself, which Hugh Jackman does perfectly, and it takes one moment in his life to reevaluate everything. For like story-wise, it's pretty myth, story-wise, shot-wise, it's very beautiful. I mean, like, you get these big landscape shots and stuff like that. That's the thing with A24, is that like you can like or not like a movie for its quality on like storyline and even acting at certain points, but you gotta give them credit for like the way they shoot, like cinematography-wise. It's like they hire like the best cinematographers ever. And I feel like once they put once those cinematographers put I worked with A24 on their resume, they can get a much bigger job. But it's shot really well, the music's really good, the costume design is really good. Do I see this as an Oscar potential? Not really, and it's that's alright with me. Not because like I didn't feel anything about the movie, it's just that like if people really liked it, it doesn't really need an Oscar contender. And if it does, I mean I don't see like best actor or whatever. I see more of like like maybe best costume or best score, but who knows? And then the next film that's kind of like because this was like a six out of six or seven out of ten for me. It's just more like I feel bad for my sister, my brother-in-law. My brother-in-law is very like into big action movies as well as like comedy and stuff like that. Black comedy is well, I don't mean black comedy, like dark humor comedy. No, I mean like I'm talking about like bad boys comedy, anything with Bernie Mack, stuff like that. That's his stuff. But the other movie that we were gonna watch was Disclosure Day. Now, not gonna give any spoilers and stuff like that, but the movie I'll please don't. Yeah, no, but I will say to not see it. But like, I'll just let you know that like there's some religious stuff in there, if you've ever seen like some of the posts about it, but score-wise, it's John Williams. You know what I mean? Like, it's John Williams, he's gonna get nominated. I know that. Because the Academy loves to nominate John Williams, even for films. I don't think he should have gotten like the dial of Destiny and um like the last two Star Wars films, but there's that performances from Emily Blunt is really good. Even uh Coleman Domingo, I thought was pretty interesting. It's just story-wise, I had a had some problems with there, and the VFX was really cool. But for a lot of us who who are watching it, it's just like where's this gonna go? But it's just more like uh it's a mixed bag for a lot of us, but I don't think it's as bad as a lot of people were trying to make it out to be. But it's not, you know what I mean? It's not like Spielberg's best, you know. Like, if you should ever rank all of I believe 30 of Spielberg's films, this might be like in the 20 to 25 range, I would say. It's not gonna be in the top 15. The top 15s are hard to do because you got like Schindler's list and jaws and closing counters of the third kind and E.T. and Jurassic Park, even Hook. It hurts my heart when people put Hook at the bottom. I'm like, really? Do you on have the on the thing?

SPEAKER_01 38:38

It's crazy because it's like, yeah, like it's like, okay, look, hook is hook. But I mean, you know, with everything that is passed on, I mean, Maggie Smith and Robert Williams, and who knows when Dustin Hoffman, you know, like uh God bless that man, but like who knows when he's gonna also hit the hit the hay. So it's like you're watching these films and and uh you'll go sit there and go, you know, if there is a version I wanted to see of actually like what happens if it, what if and did grow up, this is the movie I wanted to watch. Like it just makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 39:09

Yeah, and like something said about like the question of religion in there. I didn't fully get that, but I don't know, maybe there was something I missed, but that's as much as I can give you. But we could talk about Michael real quick. I was gonna talk about the last segment, I just forgot about it. Michael was also an alright movie. I think uh I'd be surprised, actually. I would be surprised if um Jafar does get a best acting nomination, and then I'd probably faint if he would win later on this year. But uh we gotta check out Digger and Prime Time first before we could ever conclude to that. Because people are saying it looks like like despite Digger and Prime Time uh not coming out yet at this moment in time, people are seeing like a Tom Cruise versus Robert Pattinson like head to head for best actor. But I would say that Jafar Jackson looks like a Golden Globe lock, not a win, but uh just a nomination lock. But and in my honest opinion, um I wouldn't say it's not the best Michael Jackson like biopic I've seen, because there's a couple of others out there, they're mainly like TV films or the limited series that came out, I think, like in 1990. That one I've learned a lot more from Michael Jackson because it's like like we already know pretty much a lot of the story. Like we knew Joe Jackson was like the biggest douchebag that ever existed, and the film kind of established that a little bit more. No, I mean nothing against Coleman Domingo, but I think I like the performances from the miniseries more than the one in the movie, but he just acted like a one-dimensional Disney villain the whole time. Yeah. Now, how but it's like how accurate were the two performances? Some say they're not even close to the real Joe Jackson, which is a scary thing. I did hear from Paris, well, it's not like I met Paris Jackson. I just from an interview or a podcast I saw, I think they said from Paris Jackson Michael's son that uh Joe wasn't Joe from the last moments of his life, of Joe's life, that he was more nicer, and he was called grandpa, because remember, the Jacksons were never allowed to call him dad because he just said we don't see each other as that, which is kind of a really messed up thing. Don't worry, guys. The further down we go, the more I'm actually gonna start cussing a lot. But yeah, it was just a pretty messed up thing. But Jafar Jackson, I think his performance was actually really good. He really like brought his uncle back to us, you know. And the ending, bro, the ending would caught me off by surprise because I was thinking, like, how is Jafar gonna look when uh you know Jackson's melanin goes from chocolate to vanilla? And we've only seen the bad part, not the bad part as in like the worst part. I mean bad as in like from his album. Yeah, yeah. I didn't mean to like make a play on that word, I'm just saying like we only saw him a little bit lighter during his bad era. Okay, I don't think Jack Michael Jackson ever like thought the whole bad thing through, especially for people who are gonna talk about it. But um, I wish I hope they restart it from there, from there, the next one, because there is gonna be a next movie. But I wish they started again from like the bad era with like other songs like Smooth Criminal and Dirty Diana and stuff like that, because I think that's actually my favorite album of his. Um, like I like it more than the thriller album, but that that's pretty much what I got. I just uh and I've seen musical bio picks and stuff like that. It's just that sometimes they're hard to do, and I don't mean like hard, like trying to get the talk to the estates and stuff like that, which again is a hard thing to do. I mean like trying to make it interesting is what I meant to say. Like talking about something new with the person you're doing. You get what I mean? Because musical bios are not the most popular genre of film. Like the first one I think I ever saw, and it's funny because it's just and I will talk about this later on. Legit, these two movies I'm trying to figure out which was the first one I saw ever. If it was either Selena or La Bamba, I don't remember. I just remember watching those two really, really young, but I've never seen the full movies up until like a year or two later. It's because it's it's like one of those movies where it's like the family's watching it, but they're starting it from like way later on in the movie. But I'll just sit there and watch it with them. But it's one of those two movies. I don't remember which. But it's one of those two movies. Walk the line is uh technically what was the first one that got me into it because I love Johnny Cash. Hence why sometimes I wear black sometimes because he wore black. I kind of want to do an episode, but I want to see if my pastor from CBC Church is ever interested in that one. If he likes Johnny Cash, but but that one you could also go to the musical route, which is what they did with Rocket Man and Better Man. Two movies with Man in the title about British singers. Except one has a CGI monkey as the as the main person. Which, if you haven't seen Betterman, y'all should. That's actually really cool. Yes, Robbie Williams isn't really that famous. I don't think it was that famous here in the States, but y'all should give it a watch. Um, it's on Paramount. Not trying to advertise Paramount or anything. I'm just saying it's on there. But I'm saying like doing musical bypics is just difficult. Like, not a lot of people were fans of Elvis that came out many years ago. But I don't know. Was there any any thought you had? Because you saw this actually before I did. For Elvis? Uh no, for Mikael.

SPEAKER_01 44:36

Oh, for Mikael. So I will say, like, I I came in knowing a lot about well, or at least leading into the behind the scenes work. And so when I heard that or the rumors that were going circulating towards this release, that they basically had everything planned. They already had up to the 90s at that point where he or toward the end of the late 80s. So 89 or 890 when he already had his first trial. So I thought that was a that would have been a great way to end it. And at least I was being honest, or at least trying to betray an honest portrayal. Because you know, in the end, biopics are biopics, biopics are made with the sole intention of boosting up a person's career. So never showing us the actual way that the lives were spent. So I mean, Michael is so the end products is exactly what you expected, like with Bohemian Rhapsody. It's like, oh yeah, you know who this person is. And we're giving you just a one one image of that person. You're not seeing the full picture. So, anyway, when I heard that they had to cut the entire session off because somebody didn't read the actual legal documents from that trial, or any trial for that matter, mentioning you cannot dramaticize the events. It was like, oh great. So now you have a whole third act that you have to basically do reshoots of. What are you planning to do? Well, what else what what are you doing now? So I was already skeptical hearing that news and went, okay, whether it's true or not, I'm keeping my guard down or at least my expectations down way low for Michael. Some don't want to watch it. It's a solid um like without being biased, it is a solid seven out of ten. It's a good film. I actually I walked out of the theater really wanting to listen to Michael because that was the point. He you that's what the point is of of the estate was doing, and every other biopic you watch for music, musicians, you walk out thinking, oh I should go listen to their entire album again. And that's the point. So I had a good time watching it the first go around. The second time I was like, okay, let me let me start looking into the small details. And then I go, okay, this makes sense. No wonder why they went this route. So overall, like, yeah. Uh initially my my rating was high coming out of the theater for the first time. It was like at an eight. Going back for the second time, it it went to to seven, and it's it's stuck there. I mean, maybe up on other further rewatches, it may even go lower. It honestly depends, but I think if it were to go lower, it would stay at solid C. So six or seven is my rating to to give to the film. It's I I think Jafar really did, really did at some point really almost look exactly like his his uncle. And that was just crazy. Um, so like yeah, if you everyone at this point, if you if you haven't seen it, and it was great, it was great because not only was it that if you've seen the videos on TikToks or like uh social media where a bunch of people were actually like singing or dancing to the to the to the film. I mean to the film, we didn't get that as Tan Tokyo, I think, but by my first showing, there was uh actual sorry, my second showing, there was an actual uh couple, I think they were probably in their fifties or sixties. And um the the as soon as they were going off to uh don't stop till you get enough when he's like uh recreating when they're recreating the actual uh recordings, recording sessions, the gentleman in front of me, uh I can see him, he's he's actually like getting up to the beach. He's like moving and like doing a little bit, but he's in his chair. So I was like, that's that's so fun. Like experiences like that just make things a lot better. So uh it's a very hard world film. I think nobody would actually hate it. I think you would have a good time to go watch it. Uh if you're a critic, even if you're a critic, I think you'd still leave with an actual sense of man, I gotta listen to the music again. That was pretty good.

SPEAKER_03 48:40

Technically, like the first Michael Jackson movie I actually saw in theaters was not Michael. And actually, I don't know if you remember this, but we went to go see This Is It, like when we were super young, super young. We were like Oh yeah. We were like 13 at the time, but yeah. Yeah. Um But the only thing I wish is that they brought in the Wiz storyline because most people forget he played the the Scarecrow in the Diana Diana Ross version of the Wiz. Um the only the only Wizard of Oz remake I would consider uh watching because it's not really a remake, it's kind of like its own story. Um and it's not like it's not like um what's the other one? Um Wicked either. But um, yeah. Uh it's a no, it's alright. Movie. We know that it's gonna get more serious with the second film. Um I don't know how. You know, you know what I mean? Like there's just so much you can't talk about, especially with the trials. Um and it it it'd be uh more divisive than this than this one, and not by like like how the movie was. I mean like divisive like like how people kind of were back in what 2004, 2005 when this was happening. Um I think I feel like that's what it can lead to. And I hopefully I'm wrong, and I wish I'm wrong. But there have been times where I wish I was wrong about certain things, and they just happen to be going that way. Um but I don't know. We'll we'll see how this goes. Maybe, maybe um, what's his face? Antoine Fuqua will create something that just um diverts our expectations, but um, because we know how everything goes and stuff like that. The more curious thing is who's gonna play Lisa Marie, because for those that don't know, Michael Jackson was married to Elvis' daughter, um, Lisa Marie uh Presley. But um that's kind of the one question I have, really. Um, and also you think they should go back, start with the bad era again, like just what they how they ended it. Because again, I want to see more of like the smooth criminal, dirty Diana, you know, all that.

SPEAKER_01 50:48

Oh yeah, we're yeah sorry, I don't mean I don't mean it wrong people. Yeah, we're definitely getting that. We're getting the dangerous days. Like absolutely. Uh I really hope that they do. I mean, they're gonna have to, but like I I I just want to see how they end up uh implementing um they don't really care about us. They actually do it where he's like, oh yeah, they do a segment of he went to he went to the slums in uh was it Brazil, I think it was Brazil. Uh and you know uh I would be so cool to just see like, oh yeah, the cartel or or whatever saying, uh since you're here, we're not gonna we're not gonna do anything.

SPEAKER_03 51:20

Yeah. Um but there's that. Um but I want to move on to two movies real quick, and then we'll we'll cut it from there, and then we're gonna come back and talk about two films that actually are more are more worth talking about. Um actually, like the last four more the last four movies are are gonna be like the major talking points, but like these next few ones aren't. Um just because they're cut they're kind of more recent, but um, but uh I don't know if you have you had you haven't had the chance to see the Masters of the Universe yet, right? No, I have not. Oh okay, dang. I was hoping you would, but um anyway, um I'll just say this um just quickly, guys. Um it's surprising that I actually like that movie. Um I actually saw it twice. The first time around, it was because um a whole a family literally rented the entire like row that I was sitting on, and like there was this one kid that just was going back and forth. Um sometimes he would sit next to me, and then sometimes he would just keep moving, and I just had to move away. Um, it's not entirely that he was just like walking back and forth, it's because what what made me actually move is because once he sat next to me, I guess the mom or the aunt, whoever it was, like literally kind of like wrapped her arm around him, which is more understandable of I'm a stranger, she doesn't know who I am. Um, so that's why I moved. I had to move to the front to Rose. That was the only ones available. Um because this was like this is the south side of San Antonio, so it's like really you don't know the kinds of crazies that are out on that side, especially the the west side, which is where Hasissa and I are from. Um so yeah, uh that that was just like I had to re-watch it again, like but with better seating and stuff like that. So went to a different theater, I think, the the next week. And yeah, but both times, no matter what, even when when I was sitting, like I think the third, the second or third roll row in that theater, I still enjoyed it. Um I'll I'll tell you that um there's some surprises in that movie. Um if you've seen the movie, you might know what surprise I'm talking about that involves an advice for Adam the character. Um but uh I wouldn't say He-Man was ever like my big um like I wasn't as big of He-Man when I was young. Like, yes, the I think it was Cartoon Network that had the show, but I hardly remember much about it. And I know Dolph Lundgren did the Masters of the Universe back in the 80s, um, the movie, the first movie, but I don't think I've ever seen that one. Um and this is like when Dolph Lundgren was like, he was just off of Rocky, and everybody like wanted to cast the new, like the new action star, you can you can say because you know we had like S Stallone, which who actually like introduced the world to Dolph Lundgren. Um, because he had the Stallone, you had Schwarzenegger, you had um RP Carl Weathers, Van Dam. Again, that that was the I'm just saying this, like when I'm saying all of this, I'm realizing dude, the 80s had the best action films and the best action stars of all time. Fight me on that one because I don't know. Have you I mean have you seen what they put out now? But uh it was it's an interesting film. The CGI, yes, is not good, but I think like they just know it is. But I know the director of the movie, if I can get his name real quick, Travis Knight. Travis Knight has a movie coming out this year. I think it's called Wildwood, which I'm very super interested in. Um, the animation looks great. And yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:09

That's gonna be that's gonna be the uh I really hope that's that gets nominated. I mean, just watching the trailer, like whether when it came out for the first time, I watched I had a wild kid. This is not this is not at all uh related, but uh I mean I don't mean to cut you off. But my brother and I went to go watch the finale to the making to the amazing musical circus, which is its own thing on YouTube. It's a free show. Uh it's even on Netflix. But uh anyway, uh we had we saw I saw Wildwood's trailer there for the first time, and I was like, this is gonna be good. Like this is literally harking back for me. This is harking, harkening back to um uh to Coraline, but not only Coraline, but also to like uh to like the Tim Burden uh what's it sorry not sorry, it's harkening back to to to that to the Tim Burden um Sound Motion films like Frank and Weenie or produced once and uh Corpse Bride. Uh I don't know why it just harkened back to me on that, but also Monster House for some reason. But yeah, uh it's it just looks cool. I can't wait to go see it.

SPEAKER_03 56:16

Yeah, yeah, um it's definitely on there. Um but yeah, um the performances were all right. Jared Little actually was really cool as Skeletor. Um I know like skelet not Skeletor, but well, I mean Jared Little is kind of a skeletor in real life, but it it's a name, he's a name now that like people are kind of scared to associate with because of like how bad shit crazy he can be with um his method acting. Go to the suicide squad, um, of the things he did there and like behind the scenes and stuff like that, like delivering a carcass to his castmates and like um just a bunch of weird stuff. And that's kind of like what set everything off and stuff like that. And apparently, um I think he did it a lot more with other films, but I don't know. I think it's because once he came off his Oscar win for Dallas Bice Club, people were like, Oh, we gotta hire him for everything. And then once they started doing that, I then people just got to know how he really is, and it's just like, yeah, so there's some things you don't really know, but he was good as Skeletor. Um now I'm just afraid now he's gonna be like um we're gonna cast you in movies, but we're also gonna hide your face, kind of an actor. But um, there's that Nick Galatzin, Galatzin, whatever I however you pronounce his name, he was really good as Adam. And honestly, I thought I think this movie was kind of like making fun of Hollywood itself because this was Hollywood. Um like making fun of like how like like oh you gotta be very precautious in the work environment and respect your pronouns and stuff like that. And they were I think Hollywood's kind of making fun of that. At least I saw it like that, to be honest with you. I know maybe some folks might not, but yeah, it was pretty interesting. Um, I would definitely be down if there was a sequel to it, because uh there was expected to include She-Ra, who is the sister of Adam in the com and not not the comics, but in the old show from the 80s. But a lot of 80s babies definitely enjoyed this one. Um, yeah, I mean, and it's interesting because nobody has touched this in like years. Because I don't I didn't even remember Netflix even had a show of the Masters of the Universe. So this is like a franchise that's like people are and aren't familiar with at the exact same time. And the ones that are are more people older than like dirty, and the ones that aren't are people younger than that. But yeah, it was it was interesting. I would I saw I saw it actually again when it first debuted on Prime, and when I saw the reaction videos, I was like, I gotta see these. Um we are gonna talk about some of the reaction videos later on because it has something to do with some some of the films I said, but uh that that I enjoyed. Uh just real quick, uh, I'll talk about Avatar Aang for a little bit, but I also enjoyed that one. Paramount dropped the ball on not releasing it in theaters, and I hope I don't think they ever are because when I watched it at home, and yes, I watched it at home when it first dropped. I'm not one of the people that uh went on the dark web and tried to watch the leak. Um, I waited like a good boy. That's not even my words, those are actually words of people who were also reacting to the movie itself. But I mean, I don't have an X because apparently that's where it got leaked the most was X. Um, I don't have an X account, but so there's that one, but apparently there's if you go to the Deep Dark Web, you can find it. But Paramount just doesn't know what to do with their characters, or especially with this franchise. Um, because I love the Avatar series. I mean, Dante Bosco, who else was there? Like, y'all know, like I did the whole episode about Mako and Iroh and everybody else. Just the fact that Steven Young played Zuko was actually the perfect casting because Dante Bosco still has that same voice, so it's like they wanted Zuko to sound older, which is why they went with a different actor. But and Dave Bautista was really good as the villain of this film. But the thing is the way this movie was shot and framed, it should have been a theatrical release and it would have been better, especially if it was like an IMAX theater. Because you just I want to feel the airbending because the thing is that sometimes IMAXs and AVX screenings, Dolby's surround sound, you kind of like feel feel it, especially what we're gonna talk about a film later on that's where you kind of felt everything. But yeah, that's shame on you, Paramount. Shame on you for that. My last thing I want to talk about Spider-Man brand new day. Again, I'm gonna be quick and brief because the seas hasn't seen it yet. But I also enjoyed it. I told him of Tom's films, this is I think the better directed film. This this literally is like Spider-Man, the man, than just Peter Parker. But um, that's a that uh I enjoyed it. John Burnt Daw is The Punisher, of course. I mean, The Punisher is one of my favorite shows, and uh one of my favorite characters, the Netflix shows, which people forget were actually originally part of the MCU, but because it was like a different medium that had these properties, nobody kind of considered them in the beginning because I think it was like a Disney thing, and yeah, but uh that the the way everything was shot and stuff was really, really great. The characters were really cool. I'm a bit mixed on Sadie Singh's character in the film, if you know you know. But yeah, it was really cool. Maybe I'll talk about it a little bit more later on when I do my rankings of like my top ten favorite films of the year, which looks like Spider-Man brand new day might be up there, maybe a little in the lowers, so like maybe from like the 8 to 10 region. But there's still more movies coming out this year that I gotta check out, like Digger and Primetime and Werewolf and Wildwood and all the other ones. But uh, that's what I got so far for this segment. We're gonna talk, we're gonna get to another talking point later on, but right now we're gonna take another break. If you like this content and want to get an update on more content, follow us on Instagram under Tough Love Pictures and subscribe to our YouTube channel and to our Patreon under Tough Love Pictures, where you can get early access to the podcast as well as any other updates to Tough Love Pictures as well. Alright, and we're back. So we're these next two movies we're gonna talk about. We're actually gonna talk about four movies left. Now, if I feel like if we could try to condense them into this final segment, into a final segment, and if not, then I'll just do the last two. I'll just do them separate, but we'll see. Anyway, so this one's more gonna be in Asusa's realm because he's seen this before I did, and has a lot, I want to say a lot more knowledge, but you definitely went into a kind of a rabbit hole uh with this next movie, which is backrooms, by the way. So I was unfamiliar with backrooms when I kind of like shared shared me an Instagram post about it, but apparently that it was part of a YouTube channel or not a YouTube channel, was it a YouTube channel or yeah, it's uh YouTube channel. Yeah, okay. It was a YouTube channel made by the director King Parsons, who you know people were saying, like, man, for a 1920-year-old, he did a good film for a 1920 year old. I'm like, bro, did y'all forget that Sam Raimi was like 20 when he did The Evil Dead? Like, yeah, do you like I'm saying like yes, like the the effect show and stuff like that, but still, I think like you can be any age and still make a great film. I wanted to be in my 20s, but um things just got in the way where I just can't make a film right now, but I'm actually I'm working my way up to it, actually. But anyway, to my point being I saw that so many people were really, really into this, so um, and though uh I don't know, it's like when it should show me the trailer and stuff, I was like, what is this? And I had to check it out because it was dominating the box office with another indie filmmaker that we're gonna talk about later on. I think y'all are gonna figure what I'm eventually gonna talk about, but it's a very interesting movie. I would say the production design I like a lot, and for those that don't know what I mean, I mentioned this before. Production is just basically like creating the sets and the props and where things should be, especially because this is a like an endless maze of another dimension that just goes god knows where, but it also feels like it doesn't go anywhere. And for a film that feels like a maze, I never felt claustrophobic as I thought I would. Because it's like if you've ever been to an in an actual like escape room or in an actual maze, you feel that kind of. But yeah, everything was actually really interesting in this film. It's definitely not my favorite of this year. That doesn't mean I didn't like it, it just means there was just some points where I was like very interested, and then some points kind of just took me out of the film. But what was your thoughts when you first saw it? Because you told me like you were gonna eventually watch this, and you watched it actually before I did.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:16

So I what I understood is that I obviously like uh almost a lot of people who went to go see this film, people were expecting basically how does the backrooms look like in a Hollywood production level? So a lot of people, these were kids uh at around ages 10 to about, I don't know, let's say 18, that went to go the majority that went to go see this film or that begged their parents to go and pay tickets for them because again, radar. So they had like they had to take their parents. But a lot of times people were assuming oh, the backrooms is full of entities and full of things like crossovers with other properties. Like if you uh if anyone's if anyone goes. To do Roblox, I don't, but this is this is the thing that people like these that kids at this age were into and are still into. So they were a lot of people were introduced to the back rooms through games like that, where they were just putting like anything from SpongeBob to Minecraft characters in the backrooms. So it's kind of funny. It's it's really on hindsight, it's so funny because when out of these people went to go see that film, and it was just a big like 180 where it's like, no, this is not what you were like nowhere near what you expected going into it. A lot of people would say afterwards, oh, it's like the worst, it's the worst film of the year. It's so boring, there's no substance whatsoever. And you could argue, yeah, there is no substance, but this film wasn't meant to be that. It wasn't meant to capitalize on what backrooms popularity looks on the internet. It was the interpretation for Kane Parsons' version of the back rooms. So his YouTube channel, I believe he's referred to as Kane Pixels. So he made his first his first short film was Backrooms, and I think it was made during the pandemic, or at least before that, just right on the cusp. And uh yeah, I mean it's basically the backrooms, it's just short, it's just the back rooms. Sangai gets trapped and he's trying to escape it because two entities chase after him. And these aren't the entities that you end up seeing in the Astro movie, which again, everybody, including myself, were expecting. Because uh in the casting call, Robert Barbroski, which at this point he's getting up there in terms of being like uh being a monster, what's it called?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:36

Being a well, like think of it like Peter Mayhew as Chewbacca, like the physical appearance, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:43

Yes, that's what I mean. Or at least, you know, like the actors who put on the Predator and the Alien suit. So just like that, like creature, creature, uh uh what, creature monster customers. I don't know. I don't know how you want to call it. I can't think of a word either for this. Uh yeah. But yeah, he's getting up there so much. And he already did his first creature feature with uh Alien Romulus, and man, he he spooked the heck out of me. And yeah, I mean, when I heard that when I saw the casting call and had him in it, I mean, the first thing I'm going on my top of my head was he's playing the entity. That's gonna be crazy. So, anyway, everything about the film that you expected from how from the internet is not at all what you see in this movie. So it's based off of, again, Carson's short film and a couple other videos that he uploaded onto his channel, and he still says he's gonna keep making more for the YouTube channel, so at least now there's gonna be some lore added to it. I honestly walked into the movie not seeing any of his shorts except for the short film. I I wanted to go in completely blind because I all I knew was the short film. I mean, that doesn't go into any lore specifics whatsoever. So everything else coming after the short does. Like talking about the people behind the curtain, if you want to call it the metaphorical curtain, who are videotaping everything. What are they? But I didn't watch that. I was like, let me go watch the movies see what it's all about. And I'm kind of glad that I did not. What I'm trying to say is if you know the internet and you know the horror games that come out of it, like FNAF or the PewDiePastas that come out, Splender Man, etc., those movies are gonna be for you because they literally cater to what you expect. That's why FNAF 1 and 2 were actually for the internet are good films because it caters to what they are used to. Whereas you see backrooms, hit those people off. Because it is not catered to what you expected when you see backrooms on the internet. It's a psychological thriller, in my opinion. More so of of somebody just uh people trying to interact with this thing, they don't know what it is, they mistakenly fall into it, and now it deals with the crevices of their mind because it's like the real the backrooms itself is only trying to recreate the things of the memories of that they're having. And the funny thing is is that both these characters, Clark and Mary, they both have issues internally, and both of them have their own story to go through. And you see that in the film, uh, whether directly or indirectly, or implied, I mean. And in the end, they both come from the same well, they both are struggling. Different issues, but they're both struggling. That's the thing that keeps them safe. Now, how they deal with their struggles is what makes them so what sets them apart. And that's what that's what's so great about the movie because it's like the background is trying to see, okay, you're dealing with this. Let me try to make whatever it is that you're imagining, whatever your life is, into reality, or let me try to mimic it, maybe make it better. And whatever it decides to create is up to whatever it creates, the person who's witnessing all this has to accept whether or not they want to keep, they like it, or they just they just need to get the hell out of there. It's just it's just insane. So Spark, again, I mean I'm kind of going to spoil this here, but um I mean it it was number one movie in the world for a time, so I guess a lot of people already see it. But if you haven't, I'm sure you're gonna be able to look it up online YouTube because apparently you can go search up the entire backrooms movie, but vocoded, which means put under a uh a layover of music. So you can watch the whole movie, it's like an hour and 52 minutes. Vocoded to Gangster's Paradise, and it will be online. Just just so you know, it's online. It's so dumb. But yeah, the uh the point I'm getting at here. The whole theme of the film is to move on from the past. And what's cool about it is that you have Clark who just can't. He doesn't he's not acceptable, he's not understanding the mistakes that he's caused or the struggles that he's dealing with because it's all him. And he doesn't want to change. A lot of times for for people who go through these kind of struggles, mental illnesses or what have you, they a lot of them are trying to find ways to get out of it. They don't want to just keep being that person, they want to change. And Clark represents the opposite of that, he doesn't want to change, he wants to stay who he is, and so the background makes it like a reality for him that he doesn't have to. And that's why he he's just like, I don't want to change, I like it in here. Whereas Mary, who actually stumbled her way into other backrooms trying to rescue him, as she's understanding all this, she understands Clark doesn't care, doesn't want to change. He just needs somebody to listen to, and he just needs to feel that he's right. He just wants somebody to tell him that he's absolutely right. And so Mary kind of accepts it and says, What's the way you're wired, right? You you want this to be like that, so don't change. Just stay here. But for her, in her case, she wants to leave. She's like, let me go. Because she doesn't want to revert what her struggles were, what she was dealing with at a young age. And it's a very cool thing because her stuff is the past, she has to move on. And throughout her whole life, she became a psychologist or psychiatrist in hopes of can I move on from my own struggle, my own life? And in the end, it's like beautiful peace because it's you have this entity that goes after her. And again, the birth expectations is not the entity everybody thinks is online. It's a whole different entity entirely. Um, but as it's chasing after her, she kind of stumbles at some point, she breaks her ankle and she's about to like. She's like the thing is coming up close to her and is about to, you know, kill her. She has a piece of rock, concrete, that she got in from it. Basically, it represents the one memory, good memory she had for her entire life, with the person that essentially gave her the emotional trauma that she's dealt dealt with for her whole life, and that's her mother. But it was the last memory she had of her and mother and her mother together peacefully without any of that trauma. So she held on to it for like a long time, and she takes it out as the one thing to help prevent this entity from killing her, just you know, starts hitting it in the head with it and it breaks. So it's like it's a great way of putting it out there that she's moving on. She doesn't have to rely on the past that defines her, it's for her to move on. And so, um, yeah, I really do love that. Because yeah, that's what makes everybody human. You got two choices. You got free will, right? You got the power of free will. You can choose to be to remain where you are, or you can choose to move on. Accept that you made those decisions and that you're willing to better yourself. It's a damn, it's a really good movie. I only watched it once, but again, sometimes movies like that become so impactful that you just it's like you want to watch it several times to understand the whole picture. And even if you go watch it, a lot of people, if you go watch it and you know in person's story already, you know you watch the shorts beforehand, you're still gonna be confused. And he made it like deliberately on purpose like that, because he says, this movie is only like one piece of what I'm talking about. And there's way more stuff that he wants to get into. So I'm interested to see how this goes. Do I expect Mary to come back? No. I I hope, and I honestly hope that doesn't happen. I really hope that the only person that can stay that can remain in there, I guess, for consistency purposes, would be Mark Duplas. And he was uh one of the scientists in the movie. That's probably the only character I would be acceptable of returning. But everybody else, I really hope it's a whole new cast. Just to see like it that backgrounds affects anybody, not just the same people we see. So yeah, I didn't mean to go into a whole analyzation of what I think it was about the movie, but like, yeah, like like I walked out of the film saying, I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm telling you this now. Probably told you, Gilbert, but I'm telling you this now. I still think it's better than obsession. That's it. I think it's better.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:12

Yeah, that's a talk we're gonna get into, but yeah, I would say like going back to like Robert Bob, how do you say it? Bob Kru Kryetsky? Uh Babrotsky. Babrotsky. I was gonna say, like, if I was if like back to like when I said I was a I will I would want to make a Raven film, literally have Robert as like the physical presence of Trigon. Um practical, I wouldn't I would go practical, not CGI. Um, which would be which is definitely like a big um what do you call like a big swing there. But yeah, um when I saw it, I mean, yeah, I was confused and stuff like that. I might give it another watch, um, wherever I could find it. But um, I think it's despite despite all this, YouTubers are making really great films. Like last year, um, what's his face? Uh Chris Duckman did his uh debut of Shelby Oak. Um, I haven't seen it yet, but I heard it's like some people like it, some people didn't, but I I have to check it out still. Um what's his face? Uh Cody Leech, who I'm gonna talk about soon, um, wants to do one. He's he's just right now focused on just like what Chris does, is which is reviewing films. But um, yeah, um, YouTubers are I mean, because they pretty much know how everything behind the camera works because they've been doing it for a while. Um, but yeah. Um, another talking point I want to get into, and this is where things get interesting. Um, Seuss and I, we did see the Odyssey. Um I saw it in three times. First time was in IMAX with Seuss. We tried to get the 70 millimeter, but the thing was San Antonio's uh theater that had it kept breaking on us, or not on us, but it just kept breaking, and they tried fixing it countless times to the point where like anybody who bought future um like 70 mil 70 millimeter IMAX um like showings, anybody that bought future ones, they said we're gonna have to do it stand well not standard, but like um what what did they call it laser vision or whatever?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:24

Anyway, um uh what is it laser laser xenon laser? No, not xenon. Um it's laser, that's all I know.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:32

It's like yeah, yeah. So but we still saw it, we enjoyed it. The only thing is I wish, yes, I do wish we saw it in 70 millimeter. Not because I thought it was cool, but because we could have avoided the uh the other mommy trailer. Uh oh my goodness. I don't know what it what it was with Nolan and like horror movies coming out within October because remember, three years ago when we saw well, like we didn't see it together, but like when Oppenheimer first came out, the trailer before Oppenheimer was um The Exorcist Believer. And that didn't and it didn't premiere on YouTube or any other sites. Like you could only watch the trailer at the theater before Oppenheimer showed up. I heard about a Jessica Chastain movie theater, and they said, one when you see that run. And I went, is it really that like bad? Because I was about to like lean forward and tell something to Zeus, and you just see Jessica Chastain's like whatever the entity is, like under the table, all contorted. And yeah, especially with the loud music they played. And the third time I saw it, because they still played that trailer no matter what, I like just walked out. I was like, I'm not going through this shit again for a third time because I had to watch it again the second time. I even told my mom, this is the trailer, and she just did not move at all. Even though she said she tried to avoid it, I was like, you know, you could have just like walked out. Um, but yeah, despite that, and I really mean despite that, um I still enjoyed it all three times. Um eight out of ten for me. Um we are gonna get into the controversy of it all. I don't want to focus too much on it, but it's we're gonna talk about it. Let's just talk about it as a movie in general, what the positive is and stuff like that. One, it's directed well because it's Nolan. Um two, the cinematography is freaking awesome. The way it was shot, the way like just it's it's the scale of it all and the effects. Look, we were all curious how the cyclops scene was gonna go because there was a cyclops in the movie or in the in the original book. So we're like, what is Nolan gonna do? Because there's no way he's gonna do CGI. He doesn't do CGI.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:45

So he clearly went to the actual cave. Yeah, he found Caluth Femus and said, Hey bro, I need to make a movie. You've probably never done this before, but like, dude, you're gonna you're gonna be big, trust me. Just just please, just just please do it. Oh, and by the way, we have to stab your eye again.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:06

Yeah. But no, yeah, it was really cool when you see the behind-the-scenes photos with like the cyclops and stuff like that. Um yeah, the effects were cool. The performances were amazing, not all of them, but you know, of Matt Damon and uh At Hathaway. Um John Miguel Zamo was really cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:27

Um I should call out that's the breakout right there. John Glizamo and Samatha Morrison are like the breakout songs.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:33

Yeah, but the thing is, I've seen it three times and I'm still a bit iffy on not iffy, but like mixed on Samantha Martin's character. And I guess it's because of how short the scenes the scene with her as Cersei was. I kind of wish there was more. But look, if she gets an Oscar nomination, okay, she gets an Oscar nomination. I'm not gonna complain about it, but um I would also be interested if John Lugazama also gets one, too as well. Um Robert Pattinson as Antenous was really he was uh he was an asshole in that film. I mean, he's uh he was supposed to be, but still he was he was an asshole in that movie. And obviously, like that line, but somebody get these beggars out of here became a big meme. And then beggars was kind of like a slur back then, so you you you wouldn't realize like how many people actually took that to like make fun of it. Where like I think I saw a video, I showed it to a Seuss where it was like right, it was like somebody pretending to be Pattinson, Nolan, and Tarantino. And like Pattinson just said his line, well, somebody get these beggars out of here, and Tarantino comes in, it's like, you know what, I want you to say this instead. And Nolan looks at it, he's like, Are you sure? Because if you've watched any Tarantino movie, you know that the constant use of the N-word is pretty much in that film. And not all of his films, but a lot of them. I say that like he has like 20, but he really only has nine out there. But he he was really cool. Some people didn't really like tell Tom Holland's performance as telemagus. I didn't mind it. I thought it was pretty interesting. But I will say, like, some of the others, like John Bernthal and what was it, Zendaya and a bunch of the other actors, yeah, they were not the best. I wouldn't say that they were bad, I just wasn't feeling their characters. So that's where it's like you can make a couple of like switches here and there. Because even Charlie's Daron as Calypso, I felt was kind of missed out of place as well. The dialogue was the one thing I just wasn't a big fan of. You keep in mind that Nolan did use a modern translation, the Emily Willis translation, which is funny enough that like she hated the movie, surprisingly. But the dialogue is something that I have some issues with. The music I really, really love. 100%. Now we're questioning, you think, is the Academy going to award Ludovic two years in a row? Because he just won, like, this year for Sinners. It's possible he would be the youngest to win the four music Oscars at what 41, 42, however old he is. And it's not like out of the question. I mean, John Williams has has five awards out of, I think, almost 60 nominations. And it was interesting because he used some of ancient Greek instruments, which felt a little bit more modern, or not modern, but it fit what the movie was going for. And the sound design was really cool, especially because like I get props with the sound design, the sound people, especially this year in film in general, because it's what made us see feel the gods in those films. Because the gods aren't really present like physically in the movie, but like with the sound design and the effects, it made us know, like, yeah, they're in this universe. Like, you can feel like as if Zeus and Poseidon is there just by sound design as well as visual effects. I'll be honest, yes, the costume design, I wasn't feeling it. And at the beginning, when I saw all the complaints from just the trailer alone about the costume design, I was like, really? Like, that's a nitpicky. But then when you watch the movie, especially if you go back and watch Troy, you're like, okay, I kind of see the issue now, especially from the Trojans. I wasn't I didn't really like their costume design there. But yeah, we'll get into the political part of it all. But yes, I know like once the casting happened, nobody was Greek in that entire cast. But the thing is that, and I'm not trying to like make I'm not gonna pick size in this whole entire argument, but Hollywood's been doing that since the beginning. Like, go back to any Roman or Greek mythological film from like the 30s, 40s, 50s. Nobody was Greek in those castings. I get because maybe modernly, because people are like, we need representation. I get it. I do. But it would have been interesting. I think it would have been interesting if there were some Greek actors in there, but I understand the complaints. I mean, it's not like you can make like a Japanese film about Japanese mythology and most of the people are like, you know, white British folks. So I understand the complaint. I really do. Especially when we go to the like Helen of Troy that was casted by Lupita Niango. I would say, yeah, that would not have been my personal decision to make. But she's only in the movie for like five minutes. I forgot what her sister was in the movie, but she plays her more than she plays Helen of Troy. And then some people say, like, why is Helen of Troy scarred up? Is it supposed to be like an inner beauty thing? No, because if you actually listen to the movie and you hear that Menelaus said, look, the face that launched a thousand ships, well, now, understand the now part, now more like 500. It's implied Menelaus scarred Helen of Troy as like punishment. Which basically says in this context, because of different contexts, Helen was either kidnapped by Paris or she went willingly with Paris. So maybe in this context, she was having an affair with Paris and went with Paris to Troy. But we don't know because they don't follow on the Ethica part, because that's the Ethica. This is the Odyssey. And I understand why people were overreacting when they thought Elliot Page was going to play Achilles, because the scene where Sinon shows up and hell, that's actually in the Odyssey, that's actually Achilles. So that's why people were thinking, oh my gosh, he's gonna play Achilles. No. I don't think Nolan would go that far. Like casting a trans person, it would not have mattered to him. But casting just anybody within that stature, regardless if Elliot Page was trans or not, in that stature, I don't think he would have had anybody play Achilles with that stature that Elliot Page has. Which if you think about it, most of the film kind of revolves around Sinon.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:54

But aside from that, I under which is funny because Sinon sorry, I mean I cut me a bit off. It's typed from what? The Indian by Virgil, which is like a hundred years written a hundred years after, or at least we assume a hundred years after the Odyssey. So it's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:15

Yeah, but regardless, it got made, guys. It got made, it got released, people saw it. There's nothing more y'all can do. Cause it's like I was really like, I wonder how this is gonna be. Considering like I was watching like this whole video, like I didn't watch every video because there's like 30 of them. There's a YouTuber, and I don't want to talk slander about him because he actually has really good content, but there's a YouTuber named Metatron who is from Italy, and Italy and Greece are in the Mediterranean area, so his content is more like history and stuff like that. So yeah, he had a lot of frustrations with the movie of the Odyssey. And I understand his frustrations too. Regardless, yes, he's not Greek, he's Italian, but he apparently has a lot of Greek friends and a lot of Greek followers, so he wanted to respect them. But I'm also like, bro, you're making like way too many videos about this, but and God forbid if because yes, it's gonna get nominated for Oscars and stuff like that. But I'm gonna say, God forbid if it gets the best costume nomination and the best casting nomination. And God forbid if they win, because I'm not gonna hear the end of it. But would I make those casting decisions if I did the Odyssey? No, I wouldn't. I definitely wouldn't. I would have tried to get some Greek or at least Mediterranean actors to be in the movie. But there's not much to say. It's just a movie. Like I understand the frustration. Don't get me wrong, I'm always gonna understand that part. But there's just like the other thing I also hate is when the people on the other end, like the people who defend the movie from the history buffs, mock and laugh at the people's faces of people who didn't like it. Like, especially like Cody. And I love Cody Leech, but he said something in his review that was a bitter taste in my mouth where he said, Dude, I will be glad when all the nominations it gets and all the wins happen. I can mock in the people who had little faith in this film. I hate it when he said that. I actually pissed me off a bit. Because I'm like, bro, you like both sides are not really like humbling themselves when it comes to this. And I get it's hard. But can we just avoid the politics? Maybe just avoid the complaint, not even strike back at the complaint, because when you strike back, it makes the experience a lot more worse. But just going it off a film, I know it's gonna get nominations, and I'll say it deserves them. And if Nolan does get a best director nomination and win, then yeah, I will enjoy it too. I hope he does win. And if he doesn't, well, who knows? I don't know what else is coming out this year, other than like, well, what's that other film that's coming out? There's a bunch of films coming out this year, like Werewolf, but I wouldn't see that as winning a directing award because Robert Egger's films never really like go well with the Academy. And man, what's that one with Tom Cruise? Diggers, yeah. Diggers is coming out and stuff like that. But it might that might be the one that wins. Maybe, we'll see. But I like it. It's an N out of ten. I just think that there shouldn't be politics behind this all, but what are we gonna do? You know, it's already been made, it's already been released, people saw it. People who like people who were harsh on it in the beginning still saw it. Some people might have had denials and say, it's alright, but yeah, I just wish it wasn't so divisive. And I told Asus this, uh, like on my third viewing, I was thinking, like, Odyssey and the Iliad aren't the only Greek forms of literature out there. There's a lot of them out there. Like, I told him about Oedipus Rex, though I don't know if we really want to go there. If you know the story, you know the story. But that's one. Um, you could talk about other like Greek stories like Jason and the Argonaut, Prometheus, Heracles. Yes, Heracles, that's the actual Greek pronunciation of the character's name. Because y'all hear more as Hercules. That's the Latin name. The Greek name is Heracles, and you could get Greek actors for those. So it's not like the Odyssey is the only one out there. But and even then, if like maybe somebody can redo it, or somebody will redo it, but I don't want them just to do the Odyssey. If you want to, they should just do both the Iliad and the Odyssey as like a duology film. Because we just had an adaptation of the Iliad with Troy, which some of the stuff there I prefer more than the Odyssey. And then when we had the Odyssey. But I think somebody should just combine the two as like a two-part film. Whereas like, you know, the Trojan War, you know, whatever, whatever, you know, the Trojan War part one's about the Iliad, part two is about the Odyssey. And it's kind of funny because like Sean Bean, who played um Odysseus in that film, as well as um Matt Damon, they're both known for playing specific characters that's been kind of like an online like joke. So Sean Bean is known for playing the character that dies like all the time. I've only seen that once, and that was with the Lord of the Rings. Other characters are like either just gets stopped and put to jail or you just get stopped in general. And then with Matt Damon, he's always playing the character that's trying to get home or is plant or has to go home. So, I mean, saving Private Ryan, The Martian, other stuff like that. But uh, yeah, that's my take on it. I enjoy it. I will still say it's an 8 out of 10 no matter what, no matter how many viewings I give it. Not gonna be in my top five of Nolan's movies. Like the first time around, maybe it was around there. But second and third time, I would say nah, probably around number six of his of the ranking. Because like my top three so far have always are still like the prestige, Interstellar, the Dark Knight. But then I also have Oppenheimer and Inception there. But that's all I have, unless you have anything else to see.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:11

I mean, you you basically explained everything that I would have explained. So yeah, I mean, it's a damn good film. The sound design, I like the Oscars and East. The Oscars I don't think the Oscars has a category for South, does it? Yeah, it does. It does. Okay, well, they're they are gonna have a hard time deciding who's gonna do what because like yes, the sound design for all these films this year has just been so impeccable, especially with the Odyssey. So, yeah, like they got their work cut out for them.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:43

Yeah. It's interesting enough because like about three years ago, people thought not the Odyssey, Oppenheimer was gonna win best sound at the Oscars because of that one scene was the testing of the atomic bomb. But it actually lost to a World War II Holocaust drama. And if you ask, well, how is that possible? It's because it's almost like the boy with the striped pajamas, how like there's a uh I know certain platforms are very hard on this word, but I'll say it once there's a Nazi family that moves next door to a concentration camp. But you don't see anything in the concentration camp at all. But you hear everything that's going on, like you hear the screams and the gunshots and stuff like that, but the family just acts as if like it does it's not happening or it's just a normal thing. So that's kind of why it's like you're you're more aware of what's happening behind those fences. So I think that's why it kind of why that movie beat out Oppenheimer. But I don't think anything could beat out the Odyssey. I'd be surprised actually. But I don't know what it can get nominated for. I know sound, cinematography, film editing could be a possibility, and like God forbid it if it gets a casting nomination, but I feel like it's going to because it's the Oscars. Hi everyone, sorry for the interruption. I just want to make an announcement real quick. So, starting August 21st, the same day that this podcast is getting released, is also the day I start our Sin Spark campaign, a crowdfunding site for my feature film, and this was my directorial debut of my movie Hurt. It's gonna be about, you know, a family that's going through losses very close to my heart. About how my family and I went through the loss of my dad. My goal is to get at least $500,000 in this campaign. And that's just like for basic locations and stuff like that. If we can exceed to $700,000, then we can add another location as well as some more actors. If we can go to $900,000, then we can also get a band that my dad loved, which was Blue October. And now I don't think Blue October is gonna beat jump on the boat. But if that does happen, that would be super great. And if I get a million dollars, it would just do a lot more for the production. But if I can at least just get to the minimum of $500,000, it would be super great for all my supporters. Uh links will definitely be in our YouTube page and our Patreon, as well as on our Instagram page. And uh yes, just go to Cedon Spark, look for Hurt, and that campaign will be open for 30 days. But yes, if you can just donate, that would be super fantastic. You'd be also be making my dreams come true a lot more. I love you guys. Now back to the episode. We get a couple of acting nominations, director, I don't think it's gonna get a screenplay nomination. I don't see that happening, but who knows where it goes from there. It's gonna get some wins. I'll be okay if it gets wins. Definitely the sound wins, cinematography win. We'll see where it goes from there. But I mean it's Nolan, guys. It's a really good film. And they say he wants to do a uh a horror film. I mean, it was pretty much a horror film within itself already because the Cyclops scene, the um the scene where they kind of visit what is it, um, the underworld. It was supposed to be the underworld. But the Hades? Yeah, was Hades. What else was there? Was like Cersei was like the body horror transforming them into pigs? I can imagine like when they're reading the script and they see like they interact with like lions and cheetahs and stuff like that, and they're like, How are we gonna do this, Nolan? Nolan, and he brings in like the actual fucking animals and stuff like that. But yeah, I mean, how could you ask that kind of a question? But yeah, somebody said Dante's Infernal, and that would be interesting, but like given like the already what happened with the the Odyssey, if he makes the same casting choices as the Odyssey, God forbid that happens. Metatron's gonna have a blast with that one. And like I said, I love Metatron. I I I will always do I'll disag I just disagree with him on the Odyssey, which he won't care because it's his thoughts, is it his opinions and how he's used this stuff, and that's why I continue to watch his videos, despite how even if I disagree, I still think he has some good content. How I discovered them is pretty funny because apparently there was a video that was wrong me that some woman was saying the Roman Empire didn't exist. And I just went, wait, what? And bro, you should have just seen like seen like this was like an hour-long video of him saying why you're wrong, which she is wrong, because how the hell can you come up with a decision like that? But like, yeah, you're wrong. Yeah, you're wrong. He actually did a video on the Northmane, and that was actually really cool too. And I'm not this isn't me trying to like get on his good side or anything. I'm just saying, like, he has some good content out there, and a bunch of other people do as well. But we'll we'll hang on to this real quick. I know it's it was like uh backrooms more than obsession, but I would still say obsession is like my number two favorite film this year so far. That doesn't mean like you still like the film regardless, right? Obsession.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:58

Oh yeah, obsession was a great film.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:01

Yeah, I think what really hyped me up was Cody Leach, and I know I said like Cody Leach kind of pissed me off on certain things he said. That's just one line out of like multiple videos he's done. How I heard about that was because of Cody Leach. He said, like, he saw the movie at Fantastic Fest, and he said, Look, make sure this is on your radar. And I was like, Okay, I'll check it out. It looks pretty interesting. That's the beauty of being uh I guess a critic or whatever, is sometimes you get good access to the what do you call it, screenings to film festivals. I gotta start doing that actually. Fantastic Fest still might have uh tickets to this day, but I think it's like only the last half, but I might go check it out. But he saw it at Fantastic Fest, he loved it, so I was like, okay, I'll check it out. And when I saw it, I was like, oh my gosh, whoever this Curry Barker is deserves a round of applause. And the first night when I saw the movie, because how it was described, it was just more like, you know, a guy makes a wish gone wrong. And we've seen plenty of those movies, uh aka The Wishmaster and stuff like that, but shit went terribly wrong with that one. And there's so much layers to it. I think that's why I kind of liked it more than backgrounds, but we have our opinions and stuff like that. But there were so many layers to this movie that I still keep peeling to this day. So, first of all, again, Kerry Barker is another YouTuber who he got his feature film released on YouTube because no festival or company wanted to even show it. So it's called Milk and Cereal, and y'all should check it out. It's actually pretty eerie. It actually stars Barker himself. But him and his friend, who was one of the actors of Obsession, they've been doing YouTube comedy for a while. And so when I went to watch the movie Obsession, dude, I was so enamored by the performance of Andy Navaretti. I think her name is actually pronounced Ende Navret. But just for you know how everybody else hears it, I'll say Andy Navaretti. But I'm not gonna lie, there's gonna be times where I'm gonna say Ende Navret or Indy Navret or something like that. But her performance, my gosh, I hope gets an Oscar nomination. Because people in the beginning, people were like, is it possible because it's a horror film, it's May? And I was like, Well, you gotta reconsider Sinners last year. And boy, man, I'm gonna pause for a second because like when I went back and listened to the podcast when we talked about Sinners for a little bit, dude, it's funny how I said I don't see Michael B. Jordan getting nominated, and if he does, I don't see him winning. Boy, was I wrong, but that was because of Timmy. Timmy had most of the reason why Michael B. Jordan won the Best Actor Award. But yeah, I did not see that coming. But I hope Indy Navret does get a nomination. And if she wins, oh my gosh, dude. Horace making its way to the academy. We don't know what else, because so far the predictability has just hit the movie getting the best actress nomination. We don't know yet if Curry Barker is eligible for a best screenplay nomination. It would be interesting. Best Sound, actually, I would see that happening for Best Sound because the moments where like Nikki comes back, like, or moments where she snaps out of, you know, being freaky Nikki for a bit, you know, those all boom, that's like that plays so well with the movie itself in the direction that Curry Barker was going with. But Best Sound would be interesting. This the music to this film is so cool. I don't hear anybody talk about it, which kind of rages me a bit. But this is also where I'm probably gonna cuss a lot more. I'm gonna try not to, but I can't contain it. But to my point, when I first saw this movie, I mean Andy's performance scared the living shit out of me.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:44

And I mean, like, the first time Like Like it's a real thing, like it wasn't just for film, it felt like yes, you could see somebody like this in real life. That's how terrifying it felt.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:56

Yeah. And it's not even that, it's because like there's so many perspectives when you go to this film. Cause like here's the thing. When I first saw the movie, I was literally in my seat for like a whole minute because I couldn't get out of my bed my seat. I was like shocked of what I was with what I watched. So was everybody else in the audience I went to. Like we were like, we were all in shock. And when we walked out, some of us like had like the same facial reaction of like, what what do we watch? Some were like laughing, but it's like that nervous laughing, you know what I mean? Like you're trying yeah. When I saw couples went in there, oh my gosh, it was funny. It was funny because like they went in, like, you know, grasping holding hands like this, and then when they left, they're like the hands are like only by the fingertips, and they're not even looking at each other. And it yeah, it was very interesting. And it was like I went, I watched this, and then I went home, and it was like a dark and stormy night. I always make there's a joke I say about this too. It was a dark and stormy night. It sounds like I'm about to say tell you a horror story, but it was literally like pouring down rain. Like you had like you're driving 40 on the highway because you can't see jack shit on it because that's how heavy the rain is, and that's how sleek the roads are. Or not sleek, but like that's how wet the roads are because of the rain. And understand, I have to go through like some curves and stuff on the highway, which is even scarier. You have your high beams on, and that still ain't doing anything. You got the the windshield wipers that are barely wiping out any rain. All that, that ride home was less scarier than the movie for me. Like, I was like, Because at least when you have the ride home, the ride home is done. With the movie, it carries on. Like it, I it literally goes home with you. And because I watched it by myself, I didn't have anyone to like talk to except myself. You know, I was like gull for most of those moments. So when I told his sears about it, I was like, Yeah, y'all should check you and Kevin should check it out because we went with Kevin the second time around. And uh when I asked Kevin, Kevin, how you feel? And he's like, I'm trembling with fear. But it was a good thing y'all went because it was a good experience. And I had finally had some people to talk to after the movie was over because it looked like y'all needed to talk about it as well, because how much there is to do or to peel back. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:17

Yeah, I mean, it's it's like a different interpretation. I mean, we all got different interpretations from it actually. That was very unique. That was surprising. Um, and I'm glad because this movie does get people talking, it will get you talking. And I don't want to bring up the conversations we had at the theater, but I'm gonna bring up a conversation from another friend that I was talking to uh like a couple days ago, and we were hanging out and we were talking about you know these films as well. We're talking about the Odyssey and such, and he said, Hey, you seen obsession? I was like, Oh yeah. So I asked him how how did him and his girlfriend like and he tells me his girlfriend said it felt like a possession film. And uh I was like, It's funny enough you say that because that's kind of the same impression I got. And I understand, like, like Indy, even Curry himself, they they they got an interview saying that it's not a possession film, but I mean just like anything in art, film is always subjective, it's always depending on the viewer, everybody's got different opinions, and so I still see it that way. I still see like, yeah, this is crazy. It's a lot like allowing humanity is we are sinful that if we allow these things sometimes to break, we allow ourselves to break a little bit because we want something, right? And that allows that you wait for the enemy to come in and actually twist it to make it worse, and that's kind of like how I felt watching this film. But anyway, point being is that yeah, I mean, you had a way different opinion. Kevin had a way different opinion, so it was it was amazing.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:48

Yeah, and it's interesting how like there was an online conversation about who's really the villain, because for a while Andy was marketed as the villain, but I even before I saw the movie, I was like, but she's not herself, so how is she marketed as the villain? Maybe freaky Nikki is, but the thing is, fricky Nicki is technically not real, it's only a manifestation of Bear. So we first time viewing, and this is just from first time viewing, guys. So second, third time viewing, as well as like the online discourse and the radic conversations. That's why I say like the layers keep getting peeled a lot more. But I mean, when I showed it to you, you I mean, you saw like we were thinking like who's really the villain? And I remember when you saw it, dude. Uh first of all, I have not heard you cuss that much since we graduated high school. But second of all, the more we talk about it, it's the more like people kept saying Bear's the villain. I understand why they kept saying that. And even I was like under the impression Bear feels like the villain of this film. But the more I think about it, and especially again, we get the online discourse and the Reddit conversations and stuff like that. I I can downright say it's fucking Ian that's the villain of this movie. I and some people are literally gonna agree with me on that one, but it's not really personally go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:11

Oh my god, I was gonna say personally, I think all four of them are just very bad to each other. Like this is the typical toxicity of high school. Like this is how it is. Like it's sad. Like all four of them, yes, even Nikki. All four of them are toxic to each other. And and Sarah. Oh yes, if you've already seen it, and I mean you you honestly feel more compassion and what's it called? You feel a lot more empathy for Sarah. Yeah. Besides Nikki, because Nikki's this was not her choice. But yeah, I mean, all four of them were just bad to each other. So it's like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:49

Yeah. I think people I mean, 'cause like people were saying like S there's no way it's Sarah because Sarah g you know gets killed, she she didn't deserve it. Which yeah, she did not deserve the What like what she did to her. If anything, like I said, the reason why I say like Ian is because when I watch the movie a third time, because I watched it a third time a couple of days ago. Even again, discussions and stuff like that. Yes, Ian I would say is the more toxic one, but they can be equally as toxic. Toxicity is also a driving force within this film, which can be the antagonist itself. I say that like as if I'm like a film enthusiast, but I'm not really. But in entirely, it's like you can tell Ian's kind of like not really being the most supportive friend, especially before Bear even like gets the one which Willow. Like when Bear's trying to pour his heart heart out for Ian, especially like in the conversation in the beginning when he's trying to practice like how he felt for Nikki, Ian's like, no, that's too sappy, that's too like lovey-dovey and shit like that. But I was like, dude, that's literally how you should be. I've been on both ends of these conversations. I've been, I've had crushes before. And I've actually been on the other end, um, believe it or not. And the other end, on one point, I was in a sis kind of knows the relationship that happened that happened when we were in middle school, but what you don't know is that I actually did not feel the same way because I just wanted to spare her feelings, and that's very shitty of me to do. Because when you do shit like that, you're kind of like leading them off and or leading them on. So that was my mistake. I was but then again, I was like 14 at the time. And then another one happened about four years ago with a co-worker, and I didn't know about this until the summer was over, and somebody else told me, and I said, I'm flattered, but I can't go down this road again. I don't want to like I can't do this to spare their feelings, because then it's gonna get even worse later on. So and I've been again, I've been on the other end, I think a lot of us have. And just be yourself, guys, when it comes to and girls, I would say just be yourself, you know, and understand there's nothing wrong with just being in the friend zone. That's my little take on that. But I mean, it also shows you how weak we as humans are with lust and stuff like that, as Suz put it in there, especially because like the reason why people were jumping into look re-looking at Sarah is because Sarah also liked Bear. And at first glance, people thought maybe Nikki didn't have the same feelings for Bear, but then re-watching it and again put into the discourse of it all, she probably did, and Sarah kind of like beat her to the punchline and stuff like that. So again, she didn't look she probably had her her problems too, and they're her saying that like Ian and Nikki hooking up probably wasn't even a real story, or if it was, she said they've been hooking up for like two years in the movie. They probably hooked up once, or two years ago. That's how I hear it as like they hooked up once two years ago, but even though Sarah still see technically sees a couple of Nikki and Bear, she's still like, I still want to, you know, be your girlfriend. But okay, can I I'll be honest with you guys, I would have preferred Sarah more than Nikki. And I'm pretty sure people felt the same way. Because, oh my gosh, it's funny. It's like when you see the videos, it's like, Bear, you fucked up twice, bear. Like, there's how can you do this? Sarah was the best, and stuff like that. Because like I said, she gets the pass, people are giving her the pass because how she went out and she shouldn't have gone out. But I'm also saying, even if she did, couldn't we switch the deaths of Ian and Sarah? Like, couldn't Ian get the brick to the face and Sarah just goes quickly and stuff like that? But yeah, there's a lot to talk about, actually. I'm trying not to like speak to too much, but I'm probably am. The the other thing I love about this film is uh obviously the writing and just the chemistry of all the actors, especially of now what's his name again? Is it Jonathan that's the main actor? Or hold on. It's Michael Johnson. Okay, so Michael Johnson's performance was really good as Bear, and he gives like performance, an actual performance of like weakness in just like you wouldn't know what to do. And it's it's more like the blindness of like, I don't think we're in a bad relationship, I think we're in a good relationship because it's um it's all that like it's that I want versus what's really happening, like behind the scenes. You get what I mean? Like, like fricky Nikki is what Bear wants, but Nikki is who Bear. There's a difference between who you want and who you love. Bear loves Nikki, but he wanted fricky Nikki because Fricky Nikki is who Bear wanted of the Nikki that Bear wanted. They it's just like Bear, what? Why? I mean, we all we all hate like I gave Bear a pass. The reason being is because I understand him. Uh I don't know if people are gonna be like, well, I understand her too, and I don't give him a pass. Yeah, I get you, but we all we all see things differently. And plus, I've had a cat that passed away too, so there's a little bit of an understanding there, which by the way, guys, everybody's like, dude, Nikki cooked him a cat. I was like, I don't think she cooked the cat, y'all. I think she filmed the cat raw. Which, if you've seen the movie, you've seen the movie. But but Indy's had like a pretty interesting career because the first thing I saw her in, I believe, was Superman and Lois. And I did not know she was in 13 Reasons Why, because that that show was a complicated watch for me personally. But apparently Michael Johnston was in Teen Wolf. I did not know because I'd never seen Teen Wolf. Megan Lawless was used to do some short films. I don't mean like short films, like like short, short films. I mean like her characters were like just minor characters in some films. I think like the my the major one was a film called The Hit You Give. But yeah, that really that just broke out everybody's like chances of like, oh, what else can they do? Michael Johnson's, I believe, as of this recording. Michael Johnson's in talk to play Alex, the new Alex for the upcoming Mummy movie by uh the um Radio Silence people, which I would be down for. And these, I think she also has some roles in mind. I think also Megan Lawless and I think even Curry Barker and his friend, I keep forgetting uh the actor's name, the actor who played Ian, but it's the Cooper Tomlinson. Yeah, dude, I was so excited to like see the reaction videos of this cup of obsession, which they were kind of hard to find, guys, because as soon as they drop. So here's the thing y'all should know. And this is if you're gonna do a uh reaction, like a video reaction, or like you watch movies you've never seen before. And by the way, if you haven't seen the real rejects live show the night before I started recording this, y'all should. It's really cool. Which, by the way, guys, y'all never told me that Jobby from CinePals and Greg Alba from The Real Rejects were brothers. Y'all should have told me that. As if I'm blaming y'all for that, but still, if y'all haven't seen that, y'all should check it out. It's really cool. He he brought on his brother from CinePals, some folks from a different uh YouTube channel and the Media Knights, who I love. But to my point, if you're gonna do that, understand one thing is that Paramount and Universal and Obsession is under Universal, bro, they hit you nonstop with those copyright strikes, and they've been getting them non-stop. And it's like you could cut down your video to like 30 minutes of you watching it, and you're still getting copyright struck. Understand, part of that 30 minutes is also a discussion of the movie. So it's like once Real Reject, CinePals, and the Media Knights, once their reaction to Obsession came out, I started watching them, and then the next day Universal copyright them and took made them take the video down. They're back up, thankfully. But yeah, if you're ever gonna do stuff like that, understand there's gonna be some issues with like copywriting and stuff like that. What?

SPEAKER_01 1:57:47

The thing, real quick, just to add on to that, because I have copyright. So, yes, I know the internet has the internet has said it, and we have to not support A24 now because ever since they went out on their backs over the idea of using AI, they signed up with Google. I get that. But I mean, it's inevitable. Every single corporation is doing this. So the unfortunate thing is that as long as we pay with our wallets, then we make a difference. But of course, we're not doing that. We're going to theaters for you know, we're doing what we like. So, again, sorry, not to put any politics on here. The point of being is at least A24, regardless of that, has allowed so many people, reviewers, commentators, etc., to talk freely about backrooms. Even there was a there was a moment where some person was actually selling backrooms-inspired uh art uh through a t-shirt uh on redbubble.com and they got copyright strikes by A24. And so somebody was like, How do you copyright strike backrooms? It's liter backrooms is literally from the internet. How do you copyright that? You can copyright the movie, sure, if you made it, but not the image itself. You can't copyright that, that's like free use. So, you know, it got a little traction in the internet. Uh, even to the point where Kane Parson reached Kane Parsons' doorstep, and Kane went out and said, uh, I'm gonna talk to A24 because this shouldn't be happening. Like it's free use. You can do what you want with it. And of course, A24 was like, Well, that's our problem, uh, that's our mistake, because we were using like how YouTube uses it, they used an AI to monitor what is posted on the on the site, which includes all these um reviews and such. That's why they would automatically get a copyright from Universal Paramount, because they're not somebody who's taking the time to watch everything, it's an AI doing it for them. So A24, thanks to that reasoning, A24 is like, no, I mean, you can feel free to sell what you want. This isn't as long as you're not distributing the movie legally, you know what I mean? Um, so it what I'm trying to say is, yeah, kudos to them because they're allowing us, like people like us, to talk about their film. Whereas if you have something like, say, Disney Universal Warner or whatever, they're just gonna immediately shoot anybody who's trying to make a simple discussion without any spoiler-free, like a spoiler-free discussion, just get the automatic. Nope, we're not having this. Your your video is terminated.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:16

Yeah, no, when you when A24 started saying, like, yeah, we're gonna start with the AI stuff. Yeah, we started turning to Nikki. We were like, no, no, no, don't do that. Which is funny. Okay, so I was gonna say this. I forgot to say this. First time around, I actually did not see that scene. I actually had to use the restroom around that time. So from literally that moment, I wouldn't say that moment, like after the phone call ended with Bear, to right when like Bear or Nikki goes, comes back with the vase and goes back in the bedroom. I didn't see anything else that was happening. So that moment at the restaurant, that no, no, no, to like the what's predominantly like the rape scene, to like her in that room, like you know, in the shadows, which is like uh to me the scariest part of that entire film. Oh, yes. Up until that moment, I did not see because I was in the restroom at that time. So when I saw it with y'all, that was the first time I was watching it with y'all. That was the only time all three of us had to share an experience together. But like here's the thing, watching that bedroom scene now, um, where she's in the shadows, you don't see her if you're in a dark room. But when you're like watching it in the middle of the day, especially if your like blinds are barely even like open, but there's still a lot of light there, you can see the makeup on indie. Yeah. And it's funny because like the first time when when I go to um when we go to Sarah's death, dude, like you knew it was happening, you knew it was coming, but my heart was fucking racing, like, uh was like, oh my gosh. Because like up until that point, nobody there was no nobody died. There was no carnage. I was literally thinking in my mind, is this gonna be a movie where like nobody dies? Which I know people were thinking, like, Gilbert, a film like that, that can't be possible. I don't know, because I thought there's gonna be like a lot of deaths happening at the party, which uh, dude, it's funny. Normally I don't look at uh conservative commentators anymore, really any political commentators, but they're talking about obsession, and ironically, they like the film, weirdly enough. But like one of them was talking about like the party scene, and they were really well, they labeled it as like like the guy wanted to go out, but it's boys' night. And even like people who just like horror films that aren't in the politics, when they mention boys' night, they like they give you that look where it's like trying to talk to your woman about boys' night. You know what I mean? Asus and I have been single for a long time, so we don't have that problem. But once it ha I he I hear you laughing, once it happens, yeah, it's gonna be there. Yeah, but like I remember it's like when they're trying to get out of when he's trying to like tell Nikki, well, even though because it wasn't a boys' night in the first place, they just didn't want them there at the party, or at least Nikki, when he's like, Nikki, we're having a boys' night, that water just shuts off, and I went, Oh no, no, okay, you messed up there, and then like she's just screaming and stuff like that. And it's like even before that, like when he comes home, and like I thought like Nikki, because it's like I feel like we're we're breaking down the plot backwards. That'll be interesting. Let's play, let's break down the plot like non-linear, but anyway, because like we had we just had that phone call conversation, and that scared the living hell out of me. Especially because like there's I I made a joke about that. I thought, like, for some reason I thought there was gonna be an Indian at the end of the conversation. Yes, I know I'm being racist for like five seconds. I thought there was gonna be an Indian at the other phone call. There wasn't, but there was a Curry. That's the kind of the joke if you get the joke. Curry Barker played the person on the other end, and then you hear Nikki screaming, the real Nikki. And because of that, I thought like the moment like Nikki, like I thought the moment Bear went home, I thought Nikki was just gonna jump out and scream and be like, Where were you? and stuff like that. No, we got something way worse. She's still standing there because she's been standing that exact same spot since Bear left for work, and she's just covered in like vomit, piss, and shit, and sweat. And I'm like, oh my gosh, this is even worse than what I thought was gonna happen. And that was actually the beauty of the film, ironically, is like you think like it's gonna go somewhere, but it's not. That's why, like, when Sarah's death came into the mix, I was even starting to question, is she gonna die at that moment? Because so far, no bro.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:28

You know, you know you're gonna die, bro. I was ready.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:31

I was like, But the thing is, it's like every so often things were turning to a point where it's like you think something's gonna happen, but it doesn't. Like at the party situation, Bear gets that block that says, kiss the person on your left. I thought I thought Sarah was gonna die at that moment. Which by the way, guys, notice that part where says Sarah is on your her on Bear's left. Watch the movie, you'll notice that it's not just the block. Sarah was on Bear's left even in her desk at work. Just look at it again. I feel I don't know if this was like Curry's like intentions and stuff like that, but if that was, kudos to him. But like I said, there's so much layers to peel in there, and I wish I could keep talking about that. And I might talk about it later on when I talk about my favorite films of the year. Because I I just want to focus on the last, like, I don't know how many minutes they got left. I want to talk about Project Hell Mary. That one so far, I would say, is my favorite film of the year, and it might still remain that, surprisingly. Now, I showed a Suze about that what did we watch like two weeks ago? And you really enjoyed that one. So, what were your thoughts real quick before I get into mine?

SPEAKER_01 2:05:36

So, I do want to mention that I actually did watch a little bit of it before uh you you and I watched it together. Plus, this was not the uh you know how like when you know how uh on the TV screen it was showing like, oh, you have this many minutes left. That wasn't me watching. Uh I'm not sure who was watching it. I probably think it was my dad or brother. I think you said you watched it. Um, but I mean I didn't watch it. What I mean to say is what I meant to say by I watched a little bit of it before seeing it with you. It's because I actually did go see the movie. But the problem was something happened in uh the family that I actually received a call through uh vibrate because I yes, yes, we're supposed to keep your phones in silent, but sometimes you just have to keep it on vibrate. Like if you have to step out, you gotta step out. You never know. So you always want to be there for those moments because you just never know what's gonna happen. And yeah, I received the call and I had to come back home. So I literally just I didn't get my refund or anything. I was, I think I only watched like 25 minutes of the film. So I kind of had an idea, the first 25 minutes what was going on, you know, but I never got back to go watch the movie. I should have, but I just I just didn't. And so when you finally said let's go watch it allowed, let's go ahead and sit down and watch this whole thing. So it was almost new again, it was almost like me re-watching it or sorry, watching it again for the first time. Because I actually did not remember the very beginning. Since, like I said, the gap, the length of time it took from when it came out to us a couple weeks ago watching it was pretty pretty long. I forgot it by that point. So but yeah, so that just to let you know, I thought it was amazing. I wasn't expecting something kind of I don't I didn't expect Lord and Miller to make me actually be very sad for a pile of rocks. Like that was crazy.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:33

Yeah, that's so that's the running joke of it. I'll throw to interrupt, but that's usually the running joke of it too.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:39

Yeah. I mean, you know, I can't I can't believe I forget his name. Well what did he name himself? What did he name him? But the rock? Yes.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:48

Rocky.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:49

Okay, wow, okay, that's so simple. Forget about Adrian. So yeah. Rocky, I don't know how they ever do it, and all through puppetry and all that, but oh uh both puppetry and the the voice together to make this so impactful for the fact that I mean it's so good. Like it's imagining if you were interacting with an alien. It's almost like ETE. Like you're interacting with s with an alien that that is just trying to that is there for the same reason as you are, trying to save your world. And uh you both have to work together to essentially make that happen. So it's very cool to see that play out, but in different like the same plot line of just helping each other to achieve a common goal, and yet it's just so different because it's not humans, it's uh it's a human and a rock. And then Ryan Gosling, like I'm sorry, but Ryan Gosling just can't he can't make a bad movie. Anytime he's in any movie, he just cannot make a bad movie. He's like, I don't know what it is, man. It's probably the charisma, but like he just cannot make a bad movie. I have yet to see a bad film. Even the gray man when it was on Netflix, uh, it wasn't even a bad film. It's forgettable, but it's not a bad film. But yeah, it's it's it was such a good thing. I love the science because the science of this thing was just so impactful. I can't believe they actually got actuals. Just like how with Interstellar, uh, you know, he got Kickthorn to, you know, help him help Nolan make the uh the projections of what what a black hole would actually look like. I mean, we're almost that's probably the closest we're ever going to actually visualize what a black hole looks like scientifically and mathematically. Here they do the same thing. I mean, we were we were watching when he was trying to look at the astrophages uh in his scopes, right? When they call him to go in. And I mean I was like, bro, like uh I know the microscope name because I got microscopes that I'm working on right now at in my university, and they have the same brand. So it was very cool. But yeah, like overall, like the entire film was fantastic, very heartwarming. Anybody could take their kids to go watch this, and I think they would love it. It's great.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:56

Yeah, yeah, everybody had the same reaction. I showed my mom this a few days ago and she really loved it. She was dying the scene Rocky moved in and just started like pretty much taking over the ship. Yeah. But I mean, like, when you watch the reaction channels, and I think they're I think this those these videos are so far my favorite of Rob Project Hell Mary. They're all saying the same thing, and that it's I'm crying over a fucking rock. But it's it's true. I think it's just like it's like with again with E.T. with Spielberg did with E.T. It's like you give that alien a character, like a character arc or something like that, or you essentially actually made it a character that we liked and we loved. And yeah, there's talks that I think his name is James Ortiz, the the puppeteer and voice of Rocky, his performance qualifies for best supporting actor. And if that is true, I cannot wait to see that nomination happen because that would be amazing. For real. Because people have tried to do stuff like that. Like they tried it with Andy Circus for you know when he played Gollum, but I don't know why it just never made it just never happen, even for Planet the first Planet of the Apes. But if it does happen, it would be really cool to see James Artis get that nomination. Because he's not really an actor, he's a puppeteer and stuff like that, and mainly does stage work. So, but it was really good. The effects, oh man. Dude, they say like there is like there was CGI, but it was it wasn't as like big as like other space movies out there, like what they do with Disney and stuff like that. But majority of it is practical, and I always stand with the practical effects. And yeah, the character dynamic of Grace and Rocky. I mean, you I mean the way they started off too was very interesting. It's like they didn't they you know they don't know how to communicate. One speaks an unearthly language because they're not from Earth, and the other one speaks an Earth human language or an English language. What what you know, like it's a good thing like Grace was an American. American because if it was like if he was like Hispanic or Asian and stuff like that, I wonder how that would have turned out. But I mean still pretty good. But anyway. And like the fact is like it's also a nonlinear storytelling where it's like we go back and forth on like why is Grace's space in the first place. And it's just I and all the stuff, like the flashback scenes were actually really cool too. Because it's like it's hard to do flashback and like try to like make the story a little bit more compelling. But it was funny. I I love like when him and uh his name is Carl, the security guy, when they're like having a little bit of an adventure of like going out and getting stuff to make like I guess it it's a box to where they have to like mimic Venus because I think what was Venus's atmosphere is CO2, I believe.

SPEAKER_00 2:12:49

No, it's not CO2, it's not CO2, it's ammonia. No, not ammonia, isn't it? That's not ammonia, it's ammonia, no? Is it ammonia? All right, let's check with Jack. No, it's not ammonia. What I'm talking about, it is not ammonia.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:02

Uh hold on, let's see what chat has to say. Yes, guys, I'm actually using that. I've been playing it for it for a while, but uh that's that's the right thing. Yeah, it is it's carbon dioxide, CO2, oh okay, and nitrogen. Which is funny because it's like when you watch the movie, things are different. A gas is a solid, yes, it's now, down is up. What is it? The other one, righty Lucy, lefty, tidy. It's yeah, it's pretty yeah, it's pretty interesting. But the direction that Lord and Miller do, it's like I don't know how like people who direct things at the like two people who direct one thing at the exact same time, but they must really have to work well, like in sync together. Like the Coens and the Daniels and stuff like that. Yeah, and like the music to this movie is actually really cool, like it changes so much, especially where it's like it goes well with the tone of the movie, where it's like if we're in a serious moment of like when you know Grace is giving, I guess you could say a funeral for like the two other astronauts that we eventually meet later on in the film in the flashback sequences, but like you know, the music is so like as if like you would actually hear it in like a funeral scene, and then like it gets like very like dun dun dun dun dun dun dun, like very like silly and happy, especially when Grace encounters Rocky's ship for the first time. It just fits well, man. And it's interesting because I think the composer has done most of Gordon Miller's films. Yeah, he did do the Spider-Man uh into the Spider-Verse music. So it means he knows like what he's doing. And um, yeah, and again, the most touching scenes are definitely when with Rocky's saying, like, what does Grace need? And it's funny because like the way Rocky speaks, because obviously, like there are certain words that Rocky's kind doesn't know and stuff like that. So he's like, This is Rocky Room and stuff like that. But um, you know, when Rocky finds out that Grace wasn't gonna make it back home because of the astrophage, he doesn't have enough astrophage fuel to go back home. Rocky's like, well, how much do you need? And Grace is like, I need two million kilograms, I was about to say two million pounds, but two million kilograms of astrophage. And Rocky was like, Rocky can give, Rocky will just go home slower. And it's because like both movies, I'm not both movies, in the movie, both of them are alone, and both of them lost uh crew members. There's theories on like how Grace's crew members died. They said that like because what they do this with comatose patients, I think they give them like a feeding tube, because even if you're knocked out, your body still needs nutrients and stuff like that to survive and be sustainable. So you're given a feeding tube and some nutrients to like keep going on, even if like your family hasn't decided to like pull the plug off of you, if they're willing to want you to keep living forever, or for a while, I guess you could say. So what was supposedly was the feeding tube, I guess got clogged or got disconnected. And um, that's how Grace's crew probably died from malnourishment, versus with Rocky's crew, they died from radiation and the astrophage protected him. But they're alone, one's an engineer, one's a scientist, one's an engineer that knows what's going on. The other one, it's taking him a while to remember everything. But and Sandra Huler, I like Sandra Huler's performance too. And like, she doesn't come off as like what's what can you say? She doesn't come off as like, oh, I'm rich and I can like get everything I can. She's really like there, like she doesn't have emotion in this film, but that's because like she doesn't want to, because you don't want to get close to somebody, and if something happens and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 2:16:42

But I like the way she Her interpretation for me was basically like Donald's where the ends justify things. Like she, you know, you you have to do what you have to do.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:52

Yeah, but yeah, she's good. If she gets a supporting actress nomination, it would be cool. But they said she's also gonna come out in Digger, and uh if she gets nominated too, that would be really cool there too. But I have but again, the movie hasn't come out yet. We're recording this in early August, so like that the end of Oak Street hasn't been released yet, the White Dragon, the Jason David Frank movie hasn't been released yet, the Anthony Bourdain movie hasn't been released yet. So some of the films that were coming out in August hasn't been released yet at the moment of this recording, but to my point, her performance was really great. Her and Ryan Gosling's like really went like went well with each other. And yeah, that's as much as I can give. I'll probably talk about it more, but it's definitely getting Oscar nominations. And that's the thing though, there was no way they were shooting for that because given the release date and the type of movie it is, nobody could have predicted that. And that's one of my favorite films. That's kind of like one of my favorite films that when they get Oscar nominated, that's the kind of films I like. It's like these are four films that weren't like shooting for like an Oscar nomination, they were just trying to make a film, and uh that's what I love about it. And I think that's why it might be my favorite film of this year. But yeah, I would love to see the Lord and Miller get the nomination for director. They didn't wrote the screenplay, so whoever wrote it, I would like to see them get the adapted screenplay play nomination. Maybe Ryan Gosling can get a best actor nomination, but we have to see a lot of other films too. Um, Jan There Thieves would be an interesting supporting acting nomination, the score, the sound, the effects. Dude, this visual effects uh category next year is gonna be something. You got this movie, you got the Odyssey, Doomport 3 is coming out. And that move that there's a definite chance that's gonna get an Oscar nomination for effects. We're not too sure yet, but have doubts on Godzilla Minus Zero, even though we know the movie might actually be really good. But uh we can't just base it off the fact that the previous film won the effects uh film or the effects award. But yeah, it's gonna be an interesting Oscar contender. This one I'm actually pretty excited for than last year. Last year was just predictable. We knew I kind of figured what it was what was gonna go down, but yeah, no, that's as much as I can give, and that's as much as my book my my my door can give in for tonight, and it's getting pretty late on my end, too. But yeah, there's plenty of other stuff that I can't wait to see talk about. There's guests I'm trying to get onto the show. It's gonna be an interesting season, and it might change later on this season. I do have some slates happening this year. It seems we definitely gotta talk about 50 years of the one and only Rocky. Because come on, why why not? If we talked about 50 years of Jaws, why not Rocky?

SPEAKER_01 2:19:39

I mean, here in San Antonio, they're about to have like they have their thing, I think it's December or November when they're having Rocky concert. I mean, yeah, yeah, and I was heavily debating about going. It's just I have to I have to find out where it when it falls under. And sometimes if it falls under on a Friday, then it may not work out for me because of of school and whatnot.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:02

Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, we'll see where this goes from there. Other than that, I don't have much to say. Just I hope you guys enjoyed the season so far. I'm pretty excited how this thing's gonna go. Yeah, from then on. I'm trying to make up my own merch, so I want to see how this goes. If I ever do, I'll let you guys know where you can find it. But I gotta look up, but I'm looking up like how do you independently produce your own merch and not get screwed over, um, which is interesting. Actually, this year, Hassuiz, we gotta talk about because 2028 we're getting the Beatles moved all four of them. So later on in 27, we got we gotta talk about the other four, I guess four movies of um, you know, Hard Days Night, Hell, Yellow Submarine, and whatever else would have they would have done.

SPEAKER_01 2:20:51

Well, okay, so once this is over, like well, oh, sorry. Um, if you're eight, like we'll we'll talk about it right now. Sorry. We'll we'll talk we'll talk in a bit.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:00

Yeah, but anyway, there's a lot of stuff we get we're gonna do, and a lot of stuff I'm planning on doing, but as of right now, you're just getting this first episode. That's pretty much I think this might be the record breaker for the longest one, but we'll see. I've been wrong before, okay. I've been wrong before. But yeah, you guys have a great night, day, morning, whenever you're listening to this, signing off.