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110. Finding Family Harmony through Adoption Insights with Bonnie Lyn Paige
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As the melodies of life play their complex harmonies, we sometimes find ourselves tracing the origins of our tune. That's precisely what we uncover with the compassionate and creative Bonnie Lyn Paige in a new season of Cashflows. Bonnie, adopted at just two days old, shares her story with the kind of openness that draws you into the very heart of her childhood, resonating with the sounds of violin strings and the nurturing environment provided by her adoptive parents in Edmond, Oklahoma. It's a narrative rich with the love of a family that chose her and the animals that surrounded her growing up on an urban farm—a testament to the life-affirming power of adoption.
Yet every story has its silences, its unplayed notes. Bonnie bravely prepares to fill hers by reaching out to her birth family, a group of people she knows of but has yet to meet. Her journey is punctuated by the crafting of a musical composition, aptly named "Hope," which serves as a bridge between her past and potential future. As she shares this part of her journey, we're reminded of the vibrations that connect us all—the support of her adoptive parents, the embrace of her boyfriend's family, and the anticipation of new additions to her family, both human and four-legged. It's a narrative that speaks to the courage needed to explore our roots and the unyielding strength found in the families we make along the way.
To close our heartfelt exchange, we reflect on the importance and challenge of forgiveness, the act of releasing past grievances to foster personal growth and deeper peace. With Bonnie's story and my own insights as a backdrop, we invite you to consider the bridges you can build in your life by letting go of the heavy stones of resentment. Join us for this episode of Cashflows for an exploration of the music that is family, adoption, and the healing journey toward hope and connection.
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0:00 Adoption and Musical Journey With Bonnie
13:00 Exploring Family Connections and Hope
19:07 The Journey of Adoption and Discovery
34:43 Forgive and Let Go
Music commissioned by Bonnie Lyn Paige
Composed and Performed by Brianna Gaither
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Adoption and Musical Journey With Bonnie
Speaker 1Hello, entrepreneurs, dreamers, business owners and happy people with high hopes. Welcome to Cash Flows with your host, cash Matthews.
Speaker 2Okay, welcome to another riveting edition of Cash Flows. I'm Cash Matthews here today in Tulsa, oklahoma, with our executive producer, mr Kenneth Buckham. Kenneth, say hello, hello, how's it going? You know today's going to be a great show. I've been looking forward to this particular one for a little while, but things are going well. You know, I'm glad to be back for season two of Cash Flows. Oh man, it's awesome. Can you believe it? We made it through season one.
Speaker 3We did.
Speaker 2Yeah, you've now produced 108 podcasts and videos and all that kind of stuff kicking through to 109 here yeah, man, that's 109, anybody can do 108 and that's just, and that's just this show yeah, well, you know this is going to be a great show, this is going to be one for the record books, I think.
Speaker 2And uh, we have as our guest today bonnie lynn page and you know, kenn, kenneth and I normally have a lot of frivolity in the front of our show, but today we just wanted to jump right in and introduce you to a very special guest and about a very special topic, and we are glad you're here, bonnie. Thanks for coming back for your second version of the podcast.
Speaker 4Thanks for having me, yeah the first one did great.
Speaker 2You were so lively and it was great. Today we're going to have a little bit different show, a little bit different topic, though we are a personal self-development business kind of show. I think today's topic is phenomenal and I can't wait to talk about it and I'm just eager. But the last time that you were here you mentioned having adoptive parents and we want to dig in a little bit to that. We want to hear about your journey. You know one of the cool things you did you brought your mother's clown nose in a thing and I don't know why I found so much favor in that. I just thought it was one of the coolest things. So tell us a little bit about your journey through adoption. Yes, and that'll be our topic today.
Speaker 4Absolutely Well. I was adopted when I was two days old, oh my gosh.
Speaker 4I've always known that I was adopted, but my parents and myself knew nothing about my birth family. So it was just the three of us and I was born in Oklahoma City. My parents at the time were in New Jersey and they were on a work trip and they got a call from the attorney and the attorney said hey, I have a baby in my arms, come home. And my parents just frantically tried to get on a plane and get home to see me. They say my mother went up the elevator at the attorney's office and the attorney met her at the elevator and said wait here. And she ran past him and ran, ran to that office to see me. They were so excited and I brought the picture when my parents first met me.
Speaker 2Oh, wow.
Speaker 4If you'd like to take a look.
Speaker 2Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4So that is my part of my story.
Speaker 2That's remarkable.
Speaker 4I grew up in a lovely, lovely home. We had an urban farm. We lived in Edmond, oklahoma, but we had four acres, so we had chickens, goats, hamsters, a hedgehog, and actually at the last podcast we talked about how I grew up as a clown right and the hedgehog was so funny they thought it looked like a clown because it had the big nose right and so we'd always just giggle and laugh and say, oh, we have another clown in the family. The three animals that I remember the most were the dalmatians yeah inky dinky and.
Speaker 4Three of them, and I have a picture here for you to see of me with Inky.
Speaker 2Oh man.
Speaker 4She was the first one.
Speaker 2What a great way to grow up.
Speaker 4It was a great way to grow up, and this is still in Edmond here.
Speaker 2Yes, and it looks like it's Halloween time because the Halloween leaf bags are out.
Speaker 4Yep, what a cool picture.
Speaker 3Can you put these up at some point are out.
Speaker 2What a cool picture. Can you put these up at some point? Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, you can do your magic.
Speaker 4Well, those are great photographs, Thank you. Music was also a very important part of our lives. In fact, my mother had me playing violin at age four and she would go to every lesson with me, take notes, make sure I practiced at home. And around age six is when we started going to violin camp, and at violin camp both of my parents came with me and they took notes during the lessons and they wanted to see all the performances. So it was kind of a family camp event.
Speaker 2So were you the only child of that family.
Speaker 4Yes, I was.
Speaker 2And that's I mean. The story is phenomenal and like I would like to dig into it for hours. But and I know I've got some questions to ask you, but you know there's some a lot of people talk about adoption. My wife and I you know Katie and we had struggles conceiving a child for seven years and we talked about it and you know I was really shocked about the way people talk to us about it. Her father even said well, you know you don't want to do that because you know, how could you love somebody that's not biologically yours? I'm like well, I'm marrying your daughter, she's not biologically mine, and just the whole world of adoption. But I mean, were you adopted through an agency? You said there was an attorney involved, but was there?
Speaker 4an agency involved as well? I'm not familiar with that side of the story. I don't know there was an attorney involved but I don't know about an agency.
Speaker 2Wow, but you grew up in the right way. You grew up with animals. I sure did, and you grew up with music.
Speaker 4I grew up with music and this necklace actually my father bought for my mother at violin camp. They had a little gift shop there and it's a violin bridge. It's a gold violin bridge. The sad part of the story is that my mother passed when I was 13, and my father got this special hook for the necklace and gave it to me and made sure it wasn't going to come off as a child.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 4Wow. So he, he made sure to to get a good clasp, um, when he gave it to me, um, I went on to study music in college and I went on to study on to study music and work with a new music ensemble called Latitude 49. And they are so important in my life to me, an important part of my life they what they like to do is work with living composers.
Speaker 2Right.
Speaker 4Okay, so they like to commission new music for them to play that no one's ever heard before. Wow, and so I started working with them and found that that was a passion of mine as well.
Speaker 2Okay, so you commission music, you're inventing something completely new. You're not just playing Beethoven and Bach, you're playing Bonnie. Right. Wow, yes, so you grew up around music, you grew up in violin school and then the band again, or is it? Can I do? I call it a band.
Speaker 4You can call it a band, yeah, latitude.
Speaker 2Latitude 49. Where's the name come from?
Speaker 4Latitude 49 is the latitude between Canada and the United States, the Michigan border.
Speaker 2Right.
Speaker 4So the original group members there are six group members and the original group members, half of them were from Canada and half of them were from Michigan. Okay, so we took that border, that latitude, and just made the name of the band.
Speaker 2Wow, and where did you meet the Latitude? 49 people, was that in school?
Speaker 4I met them in school. Yeah, at Michigan State University. I wasn't going there, but I was very involved in the school there, right, and that's where I met them.
Speaker 2So you made music, you commissioned music, you wrote music. I'm guessing you recorded it.
Speaker 4Yes, they record tons of music. You can see on their website too, and they're on Spotify. They're on Apple Music. They record tons of music. You can see on their website too, and they're on Spotify. They're on Apple Music, they're everywhere.
Speaker 2Latitude 49. So I guess we're shouting them out here.
Speaker 4Latitude 49 on Spotify right where you find cash flows. Yes.
Speaker 2And are you in any of those?
Speaker 4I was the director of operations for this group. So, I did the behind-the-scenes work.
Speaker 2Got it, yeah, but that's I mean so kind of a producer as well.
Speaker 4I'm currently a board member. That's my current title. Ah, yeah.
Speaker 2I have somebody famous in the house today here, that is awesome. So tell me about the type of music that they're doing. Is this classical stuff?
Speaker 4Yes, it's classical music that they are doing Now. I have also commissioned my own works and that is those two pieces. So one piece, the first one is called Thick as Thieves and it was commissioned by my good friend Brianna Gaither. And it was commissioned by my good friend Brianna Gaither, and that piece is a piece about a significant event in my life, with my adoptive mother.
Speaker 4There was just a time when she was very, very vulnerable with me. She was going through cancer treatments at the time and she wasn't very healthy physically and we weren't sleeping neither of us so we went for a midnight swim and we stayed up all night and we watched the sunrise. And that song is about my adoptive mother and our relationship and how we were thick as thieves, how we were best friends and we can find that on.
Speaker 5Spotify.
Speaker 4I don't know if she's published that I may have to. We may have to listen to a little bit of that in here. I can get you that recording.
Speaker 3Yeah, I think we need to find that yeah let's do it, you you do your magic over it.
Speaker 5Well, yeah, we'll do some magic. We'll insert right here, okay, for kindness. Your legacy is resilience, and we savored every moment and we savored every moment. We were thick as thieves. You were the world around me. We were swim buddies. I thought I'd drown without you, but you taught me, you taught me, you taught me, you taught me To swim. You made me good at it, you taught me, you taught me. You taught me, you taught me to live. I'm not scared of it anymore Anymore.
Speaker 2Anymore, you commission music. Now I mean talk about your musical life. Mine is playing the stereo and hacking on the guitar. What instruments do you play?
Speaker 4My musical life is very rich. I've played violin since I was four. I don't play professionally, I just play for fun. Now I have a piano, a player piano, a mechanical player piano. That's a gift from my dad and it's just a beautiful, beautiful instrument. It's so fun to play. And then I recently have gotten a collection of singing bowls quartz crystal singing bowls.
Speaker 2Okay, I've heard of this. Yes, we talked about it last night. Yeah, I want to hear a little bit more about singing bowls.
Exploring Family Connections and Hope
Speaker 4Yeah, they are tuned to a specific frequency that can allow you to be put into a parasympathetic state within about an hour, and it's just, it's. They're beautiful, beautiful, they ring for so long they have. They have such a just just gorgeous, magical sound.
Speaker 2Is that a percussion device? You hit it, or how does it?
Speaker 4That's a good question. I'd consider it percussion. I would consider it percussion. You do use a mallet and you kind of ding and then you use the mallet to go on the outside of the bowl to create that vibration.
Speaker 2Have you heard of these? Is this something you know about?
Speaker 3Yeah, I hadn't heard them by that name before, but yes, I'm familiar with the instrument.
Speaker 4I can get you a picture too.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's fascinating to me, and so do you play those as well, like you know how to.
Speaker 4I can play those.
Speaker 2Yes, you know how to create music from them. Yes, yes, got it. Wow.
Speaker 4And I'm working on a second commission right now, and that commission is by Karen Neffa Harmon. She's a film composer and we are working together to create a piece that is a gift for so many people, including myself. The piece is going to be 90 minutes and it will be a backtrack to a massage.
Speaker 2Ooh, okay.
Speaker 4So I will be able to gift it to my clients. Now, this piece is also going to be dedicated to my new family, my birth family.
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 4Whom we have located now.
Speaker 2Now you're in communication with.
Speaker 4Not yet.
Speaker 2So they don't know.
Speaker 4Not yet. We have not reached out.
Speaker 2But you know where they are.
Speaker 4We know where they are.
Speaker 2Can you Facebook stalk them?
Speaker 4I haven't got that far.
Speaker 2What an idiotic question for me to ask.
Speaker 3I'm here like a magic moment, but you're curious Well. I am like a magic mother, but you're curious.
Speaker 2Well, I am.
Speaker 4Yes, yes, that's okay, Like the process of they exist.
Speaker 2Where are they? What do they look like? Do I have because this opens up like every do I have cousins or I have a brother. Wow.
Speaker 4And I sat on Santa's lap every year and asked for a brother.
Speaker 2No kidding.
Speaker 4Having no idea, I already had one.
Speaker 2Wow, now I'm going to get weepy here.
Speaker 4I have a grandmother. We have not located my father.
Speaker 2Okay, did he and your birth mother separate?
Speaker 4I'm not sure.
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 4Not sure yet.
Speaker 2So what would you like to say to them? I?
Speaker 4would like to say to them so much. I would like to tell them I want to know them, I have so much hope.
Speaker 2Right.
Speaker 4And that's actually the working title of the piece Is hope. That's the working title of Karen's piece Wow is hope. That's the working title of Karen's piece. Wow. I'd like to tell them I would like a relationship with them. I would like to be authentic with them. I would like to be vulnerable with them. I would like them to know that we're probably very different, but that I'm willing to look at the places where we're the same.
Speaker 2Right. So is part of that finding your birth family or first family, or however we're supposed to say it? I mean, that's got to be cathartic for you when you, when you grew up as an adopted child, you knew you were adopted. Did that present any particular question or problem for you as a child?
Speaker 4Not very much, honestly. I, at eight years old, is when I remember being curious.
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 4And I remember my parents were in bed reading the newspaper and I walked in and I sat on the edge of the bed and I kind of put my hands up like this and I said I want to find my birth mom. And both newspapers just slowly came down at the same time and the conversation started and and they said you know, honey, when you're 18 we will help you do that, but right now you're a part of our family and um and we, we want to hold you here in this space. And I took that answer. That was perfectly fine with me yeah.
Speaker 4Yeah. I was.
Speaker 2I was okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4I was okay to wait till I was 18. 18 rolled around, I went to college, had a boyfriend. Lots of stuff was going on. I wasn't. I wasn't thinking about that I had. I had a lot going on.
Speaker 2So I yeah. So it's got to feel interesting to have a new family. You know, and this is going to sound weird, you know, you see these stories about some guy my age and a child shows up and says hey, dad, you know, and the guy didn't know, and there's almost zero probability of that happening in my life. There are things that have to happen prior to that that didn't happen, but I think that would be so wonderful to find out that you had a new family member.
Speaker 2And like is there anticipation happening right now? Is it interesting?
The Journey of Adoption and Discovery
Speaker 4There's tons of anticipation for me. Like I said, I'm full of hope. I'm in this time. I will never be like this again Just absolutely full of hope. I'm also very well aware that there may be lots of trauma around the event of my birth for my family, right? I don't know their story, but I want to know it.
Speaker 2Yeah, like this is a movie sort of like. I mean, I have a keen interest as your friend, but just the the life story about what's unfolding right in front of you and this is beautiful, yeah, so what? Uh, what's the plan like? I kind of want to hear what the plan is the plan is to make contact.
Speaker 4The plan is to send a letter and a picture and let them know that I've been thinking about them. Let them know how I am, let them know that I'm successful, let them know that my parents have passed. The next thing is to reach out and hope for the best.
Speaker 2And that'll happen with a traditional letter, with a stamp and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4Most likely a liaison.
Speaker 2Okay, can you imagine. I mean, this is hard for me to imagine. In fact, you know what this is so hard for me to imagine? Why don't we take a commercial break? Okay, if I can dab my eyes and we'll pick this up here just in a moment.
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Speaker 2Thank you for that that was a nice ad we are here today with. Bonnie Lynn Page and we are talking about adoption.
Speaker 2She is the owner of Marvelous Massage and maybe we'll get a chance to talk about that. We do not have a time limit today because this topic, it's a big topic, it's essential there's so many people that will listen to this show and find some strength and some hope that may not have otherwise existed. So thank you for having the guts I guess is thanks for having being brave to come out and share this, because I don't know, this is not easy, right, like this topic is not easy.
Speaker 2This topic is necessary to be talked about, right, but you said you have lots of hope.
Speaker 4I do.
Speaker 2The corollary question is there some fear present?
Speaker 4Of course.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 4Yes, like I said, the events of my birth before two days old. I don't know my story yet, right, and that story could be very traumatic for others, right, and so I am very respectful of that, right, and so I am very respectful of that.
Speaker 2Right.
Speaker 4I'm very cautious of that and I know I may be rejected because of that.
Speaker 2I can't even imagine that. That part's hard to imagine.
Speaker 4Very difficult.
Speaker 2So you said there might be a liaison. Is that just one person who goes and does your bidding for you?
Speaker 4so this is a good family friend who knew my father since high school okay and he does the one that has located them for me he knew your biological father he knew my adoptive father oh, your adopted father, yes, my, adoptive father and he has offered to to help. His name is dave way to go, dave.
Speaker 2Yes, there's another famous dave in adoption, the guy that owned Wendy's.
Speaker 2Yes, wendy's yeah he was adopted and he's got a whole great adoption story. But we're here with Bonnie and hearing her adoption story and it is amazing. I'm just going through all the things in my brain like what this might be like and how does it play out? I does it play out. You know I'm sitting with somebody whose life really should be a movie and anyway, I appreciate you sharing with us. Well, so you have a new family that you don't know yet. What about your current family? Let's talk about the how your current family is composed.
Speaker 4My current family is my boyfriend's family and my chosen family. They are so supportive, so encouraging of me, such wonderful people. His mother would burn shelves for me to put in my office to display product to put in my office to display product. His dad takes me fishing and out on the boat.
Speaker 2Wow.
Speaker 4His brother and his wife are just fantastic people. I love to hang out with them. His nieces and nephews are wonderful. In fact one of them is interning for me and she is washing sheets and folding sheets and washing bottles and doing all the behind the scenes at Marvelous.
Speaker 2Massage Therapy. Well, that's I mean, that's a family affair, and that's, and that's I mean, your boyfriend is your chosen family. Your spouse is your chosen family. What about? Are there any pets in the mix?
Speaker 4Yes, so I have a cat. Her name is Kitty Kitty Bagheera, and a new addition to the family is coming, and it is a Dalmatian dog. She's eight years old.
Speaker 2Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4We're going to call her Demi, and she has cataracts. She has a little blurry vision. She's a rescue. Her owner went into assisted living, oh man. And we are just thrilled to be getting her next week.
Speaker 2So newest addition to your family shows up next week. You also had Dalmatians as a child. We have a picture of one, yes, so we're going full circle.
Speaker 5This kind of comes full circle. Yeah, wow, full circle. So, so we're going full circle. This kind of comes full circle. Yeah, wow, full circle.
Speaker 2So I think we need to have a party for the new puppy, like a welcome home party.
Speaker 4I would love that yeah.
Speaker 2I'm in you in.
Speaker 4Sure why?
Speaker 2not that sounds like the most fun to me. Will you keep a dog at your office Like, is this an office dog?
Speaker 4Yeah, I would love to. I don't know that my landlord will be okay with that, but I would love to.
Speaker 2Yes, I'd love to have a little bed in the corner, you can bring your puppy here. So one dog, one cat, but you grew up with animals.
Speaker 4Yes, yes.
Speaker 2So you feel like right now that's pulling from your past, because I grew up with animals and I still have animals and I'd have 10 more if I could. So you're just an animal person.
Speaker 5Yes, I am Okay.
Speaker 2So I understand there may be a name change in your future.
Speaker 4Yes.
Speaker 2Tell us about that.
Speaker 4Yeah, that has to do with my current family as well.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 4My adoptive mother. Her mother is still alive my grandmother. Oh great.
Speaker 4My grandfather has since passed and I identify so much with that family, with that side of the family Right, and I would like to change my name to Barton. I would like to change my name to my mother's maiden name to honor and respect my grandfather. He was a pilot in World War II. He flew a B-26. He got a Purple Heart, along with about 10 other medals from France and other countries, and I'm very proud to be his granddaughter. Yeah, I'm wearing a ring that he gave my grandmother to ask her to marry her, and this was given to me when I graduated high school.
Speaker 2Wow, so that was the ring your grandfather gave to your grandmother? Was that? Was that called a promise ring back in the day, or?
Speaker 4something Maybe, yeah, a promise ring, promise ring. Yeah, that sounds right. You need to look that up.
Speaker 2I never got one or gave one, but uh, I've heard of them. Wow, so name change like this would be a legal name change and go through. Yes, wow, when. When will that be happening?
Speaker 4I'm not sure, but but in my near future oh, that is so cool.
Speaker 2I thought you going to tell me you're getting married, or you had to give me something that's a lot more special. Well, congratulations on that.
Speaker 4Thank you.
Speaker 2So how are things in the business world?
Speaker 4They're wonderful.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 4And I'm looking forward to sharing this story with my clients.
Speaker 2Yeah, well, tell us a little more about what's going on over at your business. Yeah. Because, I know you're doing well and highly respected in the community, and you love what you do and that shows. So we're always eager to learn a little bit more. Yeah.
Speaker 4Thank you. Well, I just started phase two with some office artwork actually. So I have two canvases in my office and we've been working on them for about eight months now, and what I've done is put an imprint of my hands on the canvas and, before their massage, they write how they're feeling on the outside of this hand, and then, after their massage, they write how they're feeling on the outside of this hand, and then, after their massage, they write how they're feeling on the inside of this hand oh.
Speaker 4So after eight months we have completely filled up the outside of this hand and the inside of this hand. So phase two is actually painting their hands and putting handprints on the canvas in the blank space.
Speaker 2Of your clients. Yes, oh, my gosh.
Speaker 4Yeah, so it's a piece of collaborative artwork between myself and my clients, and I tell them you know, the hand is an extension of our brains. Our hands are how we learn, they're how we love, they're how we heal, and that's why I want to have an imprint of their hands in my office.
Speaker 2You know one of my best things in kindergarten, where I'm from, you had this round concrete thing and you put your hand in it and it is the only thing I retained from my childhood. I still have it and I treasure it because I still go in there and go oh my gosh, how little were my hands. And yeah, so well, that's beautiful. And who's so? You just hands in paint on the deal.
Speaker 4Yes.
Speaker 2Wow, see, that's art I could probably do.
Speaker 4Well, I paint their hands.
Speaker 2Oh, you do, I paint it with a brush, you do Okay.
Speaker 4And we have a conversation and yeah.
Speaker 2You're unusual. You're such a bright light, I don't know. I'm glad you live in this world Well. So anything else that we want to talk about about your business, before we do the annual or the daily business nugget.
Speaker 4I think that's it. Yeah, I think I think we've covered everything there.
Speaker 2Okay, well, what you have? Marvelous massage, but you have a marvelous life. Like you kind of live in the sunshine and it's interesting to watch you do that. Our story today is about adoption and going through this process. I mean and you use the word journey what a journey it is to go and discover another part of your life. You know that we would call the first family or the first family. You know, I think this is. I mean, we want to keep up with this. Is there someplace you're documenting this, either audio or video, or is it you? I just want to see the rest of the story.
Speaker 4I have personal ways of documenting this. I may be sharing that on my business page or somehow I'm not sure how, but either on a business page or a podcast, somehow.
Speaker 2If you do like a video guy. I do know a video guy, I do know a video guy. Anyway, bonnie, what a great, great story. I want to thank you for sharing it with us, but you're also a gifted entrepreneur and at the end of every one of these cash flows, we like to do a thing called the business nugget. Yes, and we'd like to hear from you on that as well.
Speaker 4Well, for me, my business nugget today is to treat everyone kindly. Treat everyone with empathy. You never know what they're going through. You never know what they've been through that day. You don't know what they've been through that week and throughout their life. Treat people kindly. Treat people like family. You don't know if they're your family.
Speaker 2Wouldn't that be interesting. Wow, all right, that's pretty good, that's pretty deep right there. I like it All right. Well, with that, I guess we can wrap up for the day. Bonnie Lynn Page. Maybe Bonnie Lynn. Martin Wow.
Speaker 2What a tremendous story we got to hear today here and we wish you the very, very best. But do it quickly so I can find out I think we could wrap this up by next week what a thing you're going through. I mean, this is just prolific. This is a big most humans don't go through this thing. You're going through what? I mean, this is just prolific. This is a big that most humans don't go through. This thing you're going through and uh, and we're going to go through it with you over here on the side admiring, uh, your attitude and um, and it seems like you have a lot of gratitude towards all of this that you can go do it and and I know there's fear and I know there's hope more hope than fear yes, there's a.
Speaker 4There's a lot more hope than fear. Yes, there's a lot more hope than fear. Gratitude is a tricky word. I don't think any adoptee should have to feel gratitude.
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 4We start our lives with trauma. There's nothing to be grateful for.
Speaker 2Sure, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 4But I personally am grateful for what I was given. I'm personally grateful for my life.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 4It wasn't all happy, it wasn't all roses.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 4Yeah, but I'm grateful, yes.
Speaker 2What a great story we have brewing here in Tulsa and Bonnie Lynn Page, thank you. Marvelous Massage is where Bonnie Lynn Page works, or that's her company that she has developed, and she's somebody that we're very proud to know, and we love this story and thank you for sharing it.
Speaker 4Thank you. Thank you for letting me share.
Speaker 2You ready to wrap this up, sir?
Forgive and Let Go
Speaker 2Let's do it All right. Well, here on Cash Flows, you know, one of our goals is just to encourage people a little bit to go take the next step. I played with Hot Wheels as a kid and they made these little machines that had two rubber bumpers that spun alternatively and when a car would go through it would just spit it out. And sometimes you just need that little Hot Wheels house to just vault you down the next straightaway so that you can get to the next objective in your life. And we think a great thing to do and we close every show with this, and this is no exception, but something great that you can do today.
Speaker 2Whoever's listening this, you can go out today and forgive somebody. You know I find myself having to do that on a regular basis and I pray that the people in my realm would do the same with me as we all go through, and you know we all have our own trespasses that we have to deal with. And anyway, so just for today, for no apparent reason, find somebody that you feel comfortable forgiving and let them know about it if you can, and I think you remove a stumbling block from your life when you do that. I know that that's worked for me and and I hope that you're able to take that and do something magic with it. So, on behalf of Kenneth Bauckham and Bonnie Lynn Page our guest today and all of us here at the Cash Flows podcast, thank you for being here today and we look forward to our next session. Thank you, mr Kenna.
Speaker 1That's our show for today. Stay tuned for another riveting edition of Cash Flows.
