EP 3: Shiny Distractions: Jupiter’s in Gemini Now, Babe

✨ Ready or not, Jupiter has strutted into Gemini—and he’s not exactly in his element. The guru of expansion finds himself ruled by Mercury, the cosmic trickster, signaling a year of scattered wisdom, shiny distractions, and learning the hard way (with memes, of course).

This week’s episode dives into:
 ✨ The real meaning of Jupiter in Gemini—from Vedic myth to modern misadventure
 🌕 The Full Moon in Vishakha Nakshatra: a potent portal of ambition, shadow work, and spiritual forks in the road
 🔮 Why this astro-weather feels like trying to do a silent retreat at a speed dating event
As always: WTF is that? 🔍 | Storytime with the Shastras 📖 | Mystic Mic Drop 🕊️

Transcript

Justine Lemos (00:01)
Welcome back to Third Eye Rule. Welcome Scarlett. I'm Dr. Justine Lemos. We're here to talk about all things cosmic and biological as well as what's happening in the sky right now and with everybody's favorite fashion pick, movie pick and music pick of the week as per the Vedic astrology transit. How are you doing this week Scarlett?

Scarlett (00:26)
I'm doing alright. I would be lying if I said it was my easiest week, but it's actually a lot of big things are happening. So that's good. I'll say it's good. Yeah.

Justine Lemos (00:36)
That is good. We

just had a full moon yesterday. Let's start by talking about the full moon and then talking about Jupiter's big movement into Gemini tomorrow. So yesterday was the full moon and the full moon was in a place in the sky that we call Vishaka nakshatra. And Vishaka, you know, it's

kind of one of these star signs in Vedic astrology. There are 27 star signs and it's one of the ones that like I just I have never really vibed with. I don't know why.

Scarlett (01:12)
Yeah, it's funny how that happens that there's some where I can never remember who their ruler is or I can never remember the story and Vishaka is one that I often have overlooked. It's gotten clearer lately, but before we get into the next Shatra, I think we need to be... There's been a little bit of confusion actually between... Well, always between the Western and the... Or I guess the better way of saying it is the tropical inside real astrology folks.

But even we were a bit confused because this full moon occurred very close to the ⁓ edge of two sides. And so if you are following lots of different astrology publications or podcasts or whatever, you've probably been hearing people talking about full moon in Scorpio for a moment. We also thought maybe the moon was going to be full in Scorpio just at the very beginning instead of the very end, because there's a bit of a gap between the two systems.

Justine Lemos (01:51)
That's right.

Scarlett (02:11)
But this actually occurred in the final degrees of Libra. And it must be s-

Justine Lemos (02:15)
That's right. 29 degrees

Libra in in our four in the form of astrology that we practice.

Scarlett (02:22)
Interesting, and I'm getting 28, so this is a really confusing one because we're all getting slightly different reads on this. But the fact of the matter is that if the sun is in Aries, the full moon must be in Libra because they have to be on the 180 degrees axis. And so before we get into, know, if you're, I think Google can help you with the difference between sidereal and tropical. Go there and get that information.

Justine Lemos (02:40)
That's right.

Scarlett (02:50)
We're on the side real side, let's stay with that. Am I even pronouncing it right? I'm one of those people who grew up reading more than talking, so I say a lot of, yeah. Yep, yep, it's very charming. It's like, I've said that word inside my head for years without ever knowing what it sounded like, especially when you have parents from different countries and you move around a lot. So I still know how to pronounce ⁓ compost. ⁓

Justine Lemos (02:53)
Yes.

Me too. So I sometimes pronounce things totally wrong. It's very charming of us.

Yup.

How do you pronounce compost? Wait, how do you pronounce compost? Comp.

Scarlett (03:16)
But anyway, compost? I thought it was

compost? Compost? Compost. It's one of those. It could be both.

Justine Lemos (03:25)
You sound

German when you say it. It's pretty great.

Scarlett (03:30)
A compost? yeah.

There's another really good one. I actually, my God, I could derail this conversation so hard. ⁓ I could just derail us. So yeah, I just made a, I just made a list of all, I just came back from Spain and I made a list of all the, favorite things that my Spanish speaking friends and relatives say, people who speak Spanish as their first, not second.

Justine Lemos (03:41)
I could do a bunch of these also. I could do a bunch of these. Oh my God.

Scarlett (03:59)
the things that they say in English that are so endearing I've never corrected them. Top candidate for this week is instead of the Spice Girls, Spicy Girls. it's so cute. It's so cute. Instead of a dirt road, a dirty road, I'm like that actually makes more sense. Anyway, okay, so bring it back, bring it back. Okay, please, No, no, no.

Justine Lemos (04:10)
Oh, the spicy girls. It's so cute.

It totally makes more sense, right? Well, I just have one more, which is that, okay, fine. Five, five, five. Bring it back.

Scarlett (04:26)
No, no, no, no, no, go ahead. I got two in. Okay, you do.

Justine Lemos (04:28)
Okay. so, so I always call the rear view mirror in the car, the review mirror, because it's where you review things. They're in the past. They're in the back.

Scarlett (04:37)
Okay, that is where you review things.

That's, yeah. I had to ask my housemate here in London just this morning if it's called toilet paper or not because some people call it like toilet roll. Loot paper, loo roll or toilet roll, toilet paper. But he was like, it's toilet paper. I'm like, are you sure?

Justine Lemos (04:53)
Lou paper? It's toilet roll. ⁓ Lou paper, Lou roll. Yeah. Yeah.

Scarlett (05:04)
Now none of us know anyway, okay, so imagine

Justine Lemos (05:06)
No, we don't know! Okay.

Scarlett (05:09)
imagine now that we are talking about Millennia old traditions, of course, there's going to be discrepancies So we're bringing it all the way back side real astrology If you're listening to this you need to understand how it is calculated and Google can help you do that or another search engine Which is an alternative to Google if you would prefer so

Justine Lemos (05:16)
That's right.

Mm-hmm.

Scarlett (05:32)
The point of saying all of this is that the sun is in Aries right now. The full moon has to be exactly opposite the sun, so it must have occurred in the final degrees of Libra. Vishaka nakshatra, and many nakshatras do this, spans Libra to Scorpio. We suspected, perhaps, that the full moon was going to occur in the very final degrees of the nakshatra on the Scorpio side.

In fact, it occurred in Libra. So all of that being said, I'm going to again derail the conversation. I think we need to talk about Aries and Libra and their relationship before we get into the themes of Vishaka, because the sun is exalted for this full moon. The sun in Aries is in its it's in a very strong position. Aries is the natural first house.

Justine Lemos (06:13)
Mm-hmm.

That's right. Very, strong.

Scarlett (06:29)
This is all about the self. It is all about the ego. And for some reason, my social media algorithms are going crazy with all of these like, tarot reader predictions right now. Not what I was, ⁓ tarot, tarot. Is it tarot or tarot or tarot? Tarot.

Justine Lemos (06:29)
Mm-hmm.

Turo, Turo. It's not Tarrot. It

does not rhyme with carrot. I promise you that much. It does not rhyme with carrot.

Scarlett (06:57)
So my AI generated ⁓ gurus on the internet who are claiming to whatever, some of them are probably real, but they've been talking a lot about ego. And so when you see a full moon occurring in Libra, you know the sun, who is the Karaka, are we getting that pronunciation right? The planetary.

Justine Lemos (07:00)
you

Garaka, yeah,

planetary indicator.

Scarlett (07:20)
planetary indicator

of the self, the soul, the ego at its fullest strength, that's a really significant aspect on a full moon. Libra being directly across from areas in the sky is the representation of relationships other than our self. Natural seventh house. So 1-7 is like the self versus the other.

Justine Lemos (07:40)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

That's right.

Scarlett (07:46)
And so

everyone's talking about ego. your person, they're coming back to you. This is like the readings I keep seeing online. Your person's coming back, but their pride and ego is stopping them from reaching out. That's the sun and Aries. That's the sun and Aries with the moon. That's the sun and Aries with the moon waiting over in Libra thinking all about relationships. Moon and Libra is very concerned with its relationships. Particularly very concerned, particularly romantic relationships.

Justine Lemos (07:53)
Mm-hmm.

That's a son of a Aries.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

very concerned with relationships.

Scarlett (08:14)
But the son in Aries is like, nah, I'm doing my thing. I'm doing me. ⁓ Son in Aries is like Hitler has that placement in his chart. And yeah.

Justine Lemos (08:14)
Mm-hmm.

Yes, Hitler does have that placement in his chart, which is not

to demonize everybody who has son and Aries. It's just a big ego placement. That's cool. It's fine.

Scarlett (08:33)
A lot of cele- a lot

of celebrities have it there where they're like, my thing is the thing that I'm doing. And when it gets out of control, obviously there's other things that can push a sun and Aries to get a little extreme and gets into extremism. But it's like when someone has drunk so much of their own Kool-Aid that they don't see how their mission could be harmful to anybody else or whatever. However you want to interpret that. The sun and Aries-

Justine Lemos (08:36)
Yes.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Scarlett (09:01)
doesn't really care about anybody more than it cares about its thing. Moon in Libra is like, where's my man? Where's the love of my life? How am I gonna attract him to me? you know. How, yeah, balance, yeah.

Justine Lemos (09:07)
Yep.

I gonna balance myself? You know, the key word in Libra is is I balance,

right? So how am gonna balance what I need and what he needs? How am I gonna bend myself to him and all of this? And yet,

Scarlett (09:23)
Yeah.

Yeah. Am I cute

enough? Do I like? Yeah. And yet. Sorry, go ahead.

Justine Lemos (09:37)
And yet, so, you know, within the signs that we might be familiar with from Western astrology, which are the same, I mean, we have to remember that the Sumerians and the Greeks learned astrology from Vedic civilization. Within the larger signs, we have these 27 fixed star signs, which are likely the older zodiac. And so then we get...

subdivisions and refinements within these larger signs. So within Libra and moving into Scorpio, we have a star sign called Vishaka nakshatra. And Vishaka has three of its parts in Libra and one part over in Scorpio. It's split between the two. And ⁓ while it's in Libra,

It is, it holds the Shakti, the power to achieve many things. That is the Shakti of Vishaka and it's known as the star of achievement. So within this Libra moving air perfectly balanced like a boat floating, gliding across the water, the keyword I balance, then we have the star of achievement. So

Because in part, we have to achieve through other people. Nobody can achieve anything completely on their own.

Scarlett (11:06)
That's right. Let me give a little teaching. Gosh, I am in such a derail everything mood today to be on a podcast. It's good. Well, okay. And actually to that exact point, if we could just take a little tiny tangent and talk about the benefit of being derailed. So the two of us have studied and taught together for a long time and we are on what's considered to be like a tantric path.

Justine Lemos (11:15)
I like it. Bring it.

Scarlett (11:34)
as opposed to like a more sutured path is how I like to think about it. So if you think about the yoga sutra, the word sutra is the word that we connect to our English word suture. Am I pronouncing these right? ⁓ I'm getting killed. Yes, I'm killing, killing the pronunciation. So think about when you need to stitch something up. You don't stitch a little bit and then go off and stitch somewhere else and come back. You stitch a straight line. Like you make a little perfect ⁓ scar.

Justine Lemos (11:38)
Mm-hmm, correct.

Yes, you are. I taught this to you, so you're getting it right.

Scarlett (12:04)
Right? So if you have a big open wound, you stitch it up with sutures and it's like one and then the next and then the next until it's done. The Patanjali's yoga sutras are like, you do this and then you do this and then you do this. Right? And they're given in a particular order, which isn't to say that everything isn't happening all at once, but they're given in a logical order that is progressive. And it's kind of a, could say this is the masculine approach. Right? And in terms of like math.

yeah, but masculine logic as compared to a more Shakti a more feminine a more ⁓ Tantric path which is on the surface chaotic because it's kind of networking things together and not going okay step one step two step three it's it's it's like made of tangents I don't know how to explain this better, but I think sometimes our

Justine Lemos (12:55)
To use the, to use, I do, to use the, to

use the term from social theory, the, that Deleuze and Gutari coined, it is rhizomatic. So that means it has the ability to move from any one place to any other place within this great web or a rhizome like mycelium underground, right? And the classic example of that, which is rhizomatic is the interweb.

that you can move, you can go from one place to any other place in an instant. You don't have to move in a straight line, right? And the rhizome itself has the power to be, or potential power to be disruptive to social structure.

Scarlett (13:43)
I love it. And I mean, we could really test this theory. The two of us, particularly when we are teaching together, our poor students, we operate, ha ha ha ha. But like, it's like, you could give us any word, any topic, and we could go anywhere with that. We could go anywhere and we could bring it back, or we could just keep going from anywhere to anywhere. And if you stay with us long enough, you'll learn everything.

Justine Lemos (13:44)
Right?

You

Anywhere!

That's right. Or everything that we have to teach. Maybe not everything. Maybe everything. Maybe everything. Yeah, maybe everything. OK, so what were you saying about the Sutras versus the Tantras? Bring it back to Vishaka.

Scarlett (14:13)
but it can, everything that we have to teach. Well, I mean, yoga, it's pretty fast. We, yeah, it's kind of, yeah. so I'm bringing it bringing it back. Yeah, bringing it back. Yeah, I'm bringing

it back to Vishaka. There's a lot of technical teaching that we don't have time to do around the, literally kind of the mathematics and the logic of these charts. There is a sutured approach.

to learning Vedic astrology, you shouldn't expect that from us, but I highly recommend if you are deeply interested in this science, studying with teachers in India from India and going, you know, step one, step two. I've done that as well. It is excellent for learning. We have, we have both done that. That's not the way we teach. It's not the point of this podcast, but what I did want to say, because it felt like this was the moment to introduce this.

Justine Lemos (14:56)
I have also.

Scarlett (15:07)
I was given on that path a beautiful way of understanding the house, the sign, as well as the nakshatra, as well as the planet that's in it. So I just want to kind of break that out for a moment, particularly when we see a nakshatra crossing between two rashes, right? So in Libra, with the moon in Pada 3, the third of its fourth leg in... ⁓

Justine Lemos (15:16)
Mm. Mm. Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Scarlett (15:35)
Libra, so we were hearing. you've got Libra ruled by Venus. You've got Vishaka, the nakshatra, ruled by Jupiter. And then each pada is additionally related to another division of the chart with another planetary ruler. Pada three would be who? ⁓ I'm actually not even able to remember that right now. I believe it is. And there's a mathematical formula for knowing this.

Justine Lemos (15:37)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Jupiter.

There's a mathematical

formula.

Scarlett (16:06)
But basically what we're saying, so the way this was taught to me is it's like you have a plant pot and you have, it's mercury, so you have the pot. The pot is Libra ruled by Venus. The soil is the Nakshatra ruled by Jupiter. The pada is mercury, or ⁓ is related to mercury. So there's like these layers of planetary influences and it can get really, really nuanced. Of course, when a Nakshatra splits signs,

Justine Lemos (16:12)
It's Mercury. It's Mercury.

Scarlett (16:36)
Pada IV of Vishaka is ruled now by Mars because it's in Scorpio, then Jupiter, and then Ketu, right? If Mercury's Pada III, then Ketu must be Pada IV because they go in order. So nobody needs to know or remember all of that, but when you see us getting a little bit chaotic in these conversations, I mean, that's just the tip of the iceberg in terms of level of detail.

Justine Lemos (16:43)
Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Scarlett (17:01)
And the other tangent I wanted to bring in at this particular juncture, especially because I was referencing this kind of influx of questionable kind of prophecy type stuff that's been showing up on my social media lately, is off the tarot. The tarot. Tarot. I mean, I'm in England right now. There's a lot of different ways you could pronounce any of these words. ⁓ There's a tarot meaning. So,

Justine Lemos (17:16)
The tarot.

I did a tarot reading.

Scarlett (17:32)
What I would like to say about this is things like tarot, things like what we're talking about in certain religious contexts can be considered demonic if you want to use a heavy word, distracting if you want to have more levity about it, from the ultimate realization of God. My interpretation of Vedic astrology is that if you go peeling back layer and layer and layer eventually,

It gets to a point where like, this is so complex that only God could understand it. And I've simply, I've simply been given a little bit more of a lens, but there's no way that we could ever in a podcast, make a definitive statement about a full moon that covers every detail of what could possibly be going on in that moment. Because God only knows because this stuff is really complicated. Right. And I wanted, I wanted to bring that up because we just gave an example. We're talking about.

Justine Lemos (18:04)
Hmm.

Mm.

Sure, I like that.

Scarlett (18:30)
Venus, now we're talking about Jupiter, now we're talking about Mercury, and if you went to the division, and if you went to the minute of the degree, and if you went to your geographical location, and if you interpreted your own chart, you know, it's especially on this Aries-Libra axis, it's like the self, the other, there is so much complexity here, and that is all to say we are doing this for fun. This is just for fun.

Justine Lemos (18:55)
Ha ha

ha ha ha ha ha ha

Scarlett (18:56)
⁓

This is just for fun. It's just a language. It's just a way of talking about things that we cannot ever fully no touch, see, explain, understand in our human form. So those are.

Justine Lemos (19:08)
You're

sounding like Jupiter moving into Gemini a day early, which is the other big transit that we have going on. It's like you are Jupiter moving into Gemini today, which is like, mm-hmm.

Scarlett (19:16)
That's a big transit.

I am Jupiter moving into Gemini. Well,

and let's talk about it. Jupiter is highly significant in my chart in lots of different ways. And we don't need to break down why, but everybody can know that Scarlet has a lot of Jupiter energy. So when Jupiter makes a change, somebody like me might react strongly to it. There's actually three transits happening this week. Jupiter changing signs, this happens once a year. Rahu-Ketu changing signs happens every 18 months. And the sun.

Justine Lemos (19:28)
Yes. Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Scarlett (19:50)
will move from Aries into Taurus, which means our next full moon will be in Scorpio. Not this one, next one. Sun changes every month, not so impressive as every year or every 18 months. However, the sun leaving its house of exultation only to not return to there for 12 months, in my opinion, is significant too. So three big transits coming up. ⁓

Justine Lemos (19:56)
Correct.

Mm-hmm.

I don't

have Rahoo moving until May 31st. May 30th is when I'm having it moved, but I am currently my software is in Iowa. Yeah. This month. let me change my software to not be in Iowa. Yeah. ⁓

Scarlett (20:20)
⁓ next week.

it's two more weeks, this month.

Okay, two more two more weeks. Yeah. ⁓ and and just so everybody

knows, you could you could change like one setting on your Vedic astrology software and it'll change everything in the chart. So don't take this stuff too too too too seriously, please. ⁓

Justine Lemos (20:49)
⁓

but let's talk about Jupiter moving into Gemini because it is the big, ⁓ transit this week and what that, what that portends, what the vibe is, you know, it's like, you know, Jupiter is the guru to the devas, but then in Gemini, he teaches in riddles.

Scarlett (21:09)
Ooh, I love this game.

Justine Lemos (21:19)
and hyperlinks and side quests like we have been doing this morning.

Scarlett (21:25)
I think we are anticipating Jupiter's movement in our behavior. Just the way that we're approaching this is fair, yeah.

Justine Lemos (21:31)
There's a bit of mad professor energy

to Jupiter in Gemini. ⁓ Like giving...

Scarlett (21:38)
It's Indiana

Jones, it's totally Indiana Jones teaching at the college before he goes off looking for the lost Ark. That is my interpretation. Yeah, that's Jupiter in Gemini.

Justine Lemos (21:48)
Yes.

I agree with that. It's

like big ideas, short attention span, deep spiritual craving for meaning, but it's given in memes.

Scarlett (22:03)
Yeah, and lots of chit chat and lots of... Well, okay. Are we going to talk? We probably don't really want to get into Arya Veda, but Gemini is a... We do, okay. Okay. So some... That's what we... We get to talk about everything we know at once.

Justine Lemos (22:14)
No, we do. We absolutely want to get into Ayurveda. That's what we've promised is Vedic astrology, Ayurveda, yoga, all the things.

We can talk about

anything we want because it's our podcast.

Scarlett (22:28)
And anything is everything. every everything is everything. Gemini, Vata, Dosha, Air and Ether, Jupiter, Pitta, Kaffa, Planet or Kaffa Pitta. So what we're basically seeing here is all of the elements, all of the Doshas working together at once. Kind of a lovely thing. But with that Gemini ruling, ruling the space that Jupiter is entering into, you're going to see quickness, movement.

Justine Lemos (22:31)
Correct.

Scarlett (22:58)
chit chat, changing topics, lots of tabs open, ⁓ change your mind, come back, that kind of, gotta run, papers everywhere. It's Indiana Jones, I'm sorry, it's totally Indiana Jones, whose real name is Junior.

Justine Lemos (23:09)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

⁓

Right. And so Jupiter is the sign. I'm sorry. Gemini is the sign of the twins. Right. Dual twins. Maituna. The pair. The union. ⁓ Jupiter is the planet of truth. And so together there is this truth in duality. And it's like a zigzag spiral tangent thought storm.

Scarlett (23:25)
Mm-hmm.

Justine Lemos (23:46)
energy rather than just a straight arrow which is Jupiter in its own sign Sagittarius. It's a bit of carnival energy. It's a bit of a and I was going to talk about the myth of the juicy juicy myth of Jupiter, Mercury and the moon.

Scarlett (24:08)
Yeah, well, it's... and Tara,

and the moon. It's very important. All of the planets have relationships with each other, and it gets confusing because sometimes they represent so many things that you're like, wait, how could the moon be doing so much stuff at once? And in this myth, no, the moon is a masculine form in both. ⁓

Justine Lemos (24:30)
Yep.

In the mythology of Vedic astrology, well, ⁓ most pathways, the moon in the mythology is masculine, but holds the space of the feminine. So just be okay with that. then, yeah. And then when we look at the TTs, it's not, but anyhow, so the moon, shall I tell this myth?

Scarlett (24:45)
You just gotta be okay with that.

Yes, tell this myth. And so what we're doing is personifying the planets into basically like people like characters who have relationships with each other.

Justine Lemos (25:04)
so that we can

relate to them. It's hard to relate to a rock in the sky, but it's easy to relate to characters and stories, right? And this teaches us something about ourselves because the planets are inside of us. They are, of course, our chakra system. So there's that. Okay. So once upon a time, long, long ago, far, far away, simultaneously inside of each of us,

Scarlett (25:14)
that let's let's yeah

There's that.

in a galaxy far, away.

Justine Lemos (25:33)
So the moon, Chandra, is the mind and emotion and memory and receptivity. While Chandra is male in mythology, the moon is also the mother, also Soma, the nectar of life. And Chandra in mythology is very charming, creative, sensual. He's also very moody and inconsistent. And he has 27 wives who are the star signs.

who are all sister wives, they all share one father. And Jupiter, whose name is Guru or Brihaspati, is ⁓ wisdom and Dharma expansion. He is the spiritual teacher. He is the husband to just one wife who is Tara, whose name means star. And he represents divine knowledge and the higher mind and clarity and ethics and long-term vision.

And so Chandra, you know, 27 wives wasn't enough for the great playboy, the moon. And actually in one telling of the story, the thing is that Jupiter is such so like upright and righteous and full of Dharma that he is off doing ⁓ puja, doing religious worship all day long every day. Like he's so tuned into the guards, but Tara

is not very impressed by this because she's left at home and neglected. And so Chandra, this the moon who's this great playboy either abducted her or seduced her or both hand. We don't know. And so they go off together Tara and ⁓ Chandra and she gets pregnant. And when it is revealed that she is

pregnant Jupiter and Chandra both claim the child as their own. Jupiter says, well, it's mine because I'm married to Tara and Chandra says, well, it's mine because I had sex with her. and we have to remember there's another important part. It's because when Mercury is born and Mercury, of course, is quicksilver and Mercury is the

Scarlett (27:43)
Hahaha!

Justine Lemos (27:55)
analytical mind, logic and communication, youthfulness and wit. He is so brilliant. They, Mercury is a they them pronoun, ⁓ so brilliant that everyone wants to claim this child because they're like, this is a brilliant, beautiful child. So it makes sense that both Jupiter and Chandra like want to place a stake on having

this child. And so they're having a big fight, Jupiter and Chandra, over paternity. ⁓ They don't really care much that Tara went and did her own thing, I guess. eventually the gods intervene and say, ask her. So each one is claiming the child, like vocally, and the gods do this wonderful thing. They go and ask Tara. They go and ask the woman. They're like, so you tell us who the father is. And she boldly declares that the moon is the father.

But Mercury is so brilliant, of such brilliant intellect that he's still accepted by Jupiter despite not being Jupiter's child. ⁓ So Jupiter and Mercury don't get along very well in astrology because of this myth and because Jupiter is wisdom and tradition and belief and Mercury is logic.

and debate and so it's a clash between faith and facts and intuition and analysis so we have Jupiter moving into the sign Gemini that Mercury rules over and Mercury always holds this paradox born of emotion of the moon from

Tara, which is the star or intellect and then challenged by Jupiter, which is spiritual loss. So Mercury is this bridge between the rational and the emotional, the secular and the sacred. And we have Jupiter moving into Mercury's house. We've got Jupiter moving out of Venus's house into Mercury's house. And it's a bit, ⁓ you know, it's like power clashing is the kind of fashion that I got.

if we want to talk about fashion for this.

Scarlett (30:15)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, and we were going to ⁓ just I gotta throw in another tangent before I get into my Jupiter in Gemini fashion movie and literary picks this it just this just occurred to me so my I live with a housemate in London and he has his son on joint custody so the son's not always there he was just with us over the weekend and this is a three or four year old boy

Justine Lemos (30:21)
Please do.

Scarlett (30:44)
And he started calling me the Scarlet Witch. And the Scarlet Witch is an X-Men character and a part of the Avengers. And I forget that she exists. She's been around for, since I think early comics, like 40s, 50s, 60s. I can't remember when she first appeared. But she is a twin and her twin brother is Quicksilver.

Justine Lemos (30:59)
Mm.

yeah, awesome.

Scarlett (31:07)
So

and and you will often see it the more you align yourself with these practices the more you will begin to see that everything is everything so here we are podcasting about twins and Gemini and Mercury and Quicksilver it's like these are all words that I've heard spoken in casual conversation over the last couple of days and it's often that way You know, for example full moon in Vishaka if you found yourself in any sort of threshold archway

⁓ Those are symbols of that sign. Crossroads even. ⁓ Maybe even possibly finding out about a pregnancy could have popped up. ⁓ Or more children, energy. And that's Venus and Jupiter working together, etc. Anyway, ⁓ Scarlet Witch, I guess I have to claim that now. Quicksilver is my twin. ⁓

Justine Lemos (31:36)
That's right.

Forked branches, ⁓ yeah. Portal energy.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wait, can I

be quick, Silver? I have all the Mercury. I have all the Mercury nakshatras.

Scarlett (32:07)
Yeah! Yeah!

Okay, all right, so we're going to be X-Men twins. ⁓ I think in one telling of this version of myth, because comic characters kind of become mythological too, in some tellings of the Scarlet Witch, they are absolutely archetypes as demonstrated, and I believe that these twins are, in some tellings of the story, children of Magneto.

Justine Lemos (32:14)
I love that.

no, they are. They are, they're archetypes.

Hmm. I don't know. does that tell me? Yeah.

Scarlett (32:38)
Magneto? he's an

X-Men character. You'll have to look it up. I know not of this lore! I know not of this lore.

Justine Lemos (32:43)
This is lore that I know not enough because I have very low. know not of this lore. have very low popular. I grew up with that. I am very rare person

because I grew up without any TV. I am child of hippies, zero TV. So I kind of missed the whole like, like often popular culture references just slide right by me. I just don't.

Scarlett (32:55)
Me neither. Zero. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Oh yeah. Well,

I two parents from different, two different countries. No TV in the house, no radio, no video games. So I was just read only child. Yeah. Just reading books and yeah. Just, just reading books and mispronouncing words since the 1980s here. Anyway.

Justine Lemos (33:16)
Yup. Put that record, put that record on the turntable. Yup. I had

one toy. It was a wooden truck made out of a chunk of redwood block. I love that truck. I still have that truck. Indestructible, except for my fire.

Scarlett (33:36)
So...

my god. When we first got our house in Mendocino in the woods,

there was this old battered swing set with no swings on it. So just like the stand. Yeah. So we put an old, we tore out a water heater that we didn't need. And before it went to the dump, we put it under the swing set structure. And I just held onto the top and rolled the water heater with my feet back and forth. mean, kids these days have no... ⁓

Justine Lemos (33:49)
Yep, I had one of those.

you

Scarlett (34:11)
Kids these days have no idea and I

Justine Lemos (34:15)
We used to dumpster dive for

remnants of carpet so that we could put them in our forts in the woods. And then we'd come back and they'd be all soggy from the rain and we'd be like, ⁓ how did that happen?

Scarlett (34:25)
Pretty much.

⁓ man. ⁓ Anyway, people getting to know us. People...

Justine Lemos (34:35)
⁓ Jupiter is in

Gemini and it's a party.

Scarlett (34:42)
Okay,

so fashion pics, literary pics, movie pics, and then we gotta go. So Jupiter, yes, so check this out. Jupiter enters a sign and spends about a year there. There's 12 signs, so every 12 years it goes back to where it once was. I went back in time a little bit. We're products of the 90s, so we tend to get caught up in 90s culture references, but I took us back to the mid-1960s with this one.

Justine Lemos (34:46)
For Jupiter and Gemini, yeah.

Wait, wait,

wait, I have to, I have to side rail here. We don't call it the nineties anymore. We call it the late 19 hundreds. That's what my child said. Isn't that great? It sounds so good. It's the late 19 hundreds. It is. It's true. We grew up in the late 19 hundreds.

Scarlett (35:11)
⁓ please, yeah.

Tch. Last.

The late 1900s. Oh my god, last century. It's true. It's true. We

did and we love late 1900s cultural references. Yeah. Well, and what's wild is that 1995 was 30 years ago and 30 years before that was 1965. So like...

Justine Lemos (35:34)
1900s culture.

I know, which

I mean, the colors for the colors and patterns for Jupiter in Gemini, it's like mod fashion. You know, I got that scarf that from Splendiferous in Fort Bragg's shameless plug, go in and buy stuff at Monica's lovely shop at Splendiferous in Fort Bragg. I got this wonderful silk mod scarf that's like big, bold, orange, yellow patterns. Of course, Jupiter's color is like yellow saffron. And it's like those

Scarlett (36:14)
Mm-hmm.

Justine Lemos (36:15)
19 or late 1960s mod, bold pattern mini dress is what I'm feeling for the fashion pick.

Scarlett (36:26)
Absolutely. So Jupiter entered Gemini. I haven't actually looked at a chart, but by my own math, around 1965, 1966, it depends on retrograde cycles. We can look it up to pick a date in the mid 1960s. so fashion speaking, mod, you know, that kind of, I mean, this is the moment, right? Again, a tangent, but this all adds up. If you can follow us on this path after.

Justine Lemos (36:34)
Allah.

Whoa,

sorry, one second, May 30th, that's what I just cast, 1965, Mercury, Jupiter, Moon, Sun, Rahu and Venus were all in Taurus. Holy moly, that's crazy. That's a crazy chart that I just cast.

Scarlett (37:06)
Interesting. Interesting.

That's a crazy chart. Wow. So it would have been 66 then that we could reliably say that Jupiter was in this Gemini placement.

Justine Lemos (37:16)
Um, it is

August, August, 1965. So there we are Mercury and Gemini and everybody moves out of that stellium, but it's really odd that, well, I classed the chart for today in 1965 and everybody was hanging out there. So really interesting. I'd like to look more at what was happening on that day in time.

Scarlett (37:21)
Okay. Okay, so.

That's a big stellium, yeah.

Justine Lemos (37:39)
But by August 1965, Jupiter was moving into Gemini. So we're in a recall of that energy right now.

Scarlett (37:47)
That's right. And just, just so that people kind of understand this progression of things, Jupiter in is in Gemini, right? After Gemini goes to cancer where Jupiter becomes exalted. So the year before that transit is kind of like this predecessor to Jupiter's absolute strength. And that would have been around 1967, right? So now we're getting into summer of love where like absolute.

Justine Lemos (38:14)
Yes.

Scarlett (38:16)
radical transformation at the level of spirit, the level of ⁓ learning and kind of, we're talking about student revolutions, we're talking about revolutionary music, we're talking about widespread popular use of psychedelics, things like that. This is occurring, so leading into that is a little bit of a disruptive energy of people, and when we first started talking about this topic, how do we assign fashion and culture to a transit?

I'm thinking about late 1965, most of 1966. This is like people getting ready for a revolution. This is people who are starting to put the pieces, it's fragmented. They're maybe on a college campus if they have the privilege to be there. There's a lot of texts, there's a lot of paperwork, right? They're pulling together these threads and when they really get to this critical mass of information and communication, then there's this massive revolution that.

in arts, culture, music all around the world, right? And so I just thought that was really interesting to kind of look back to and the mid-1960s, that's pre-psychedelic fashion, right? It's not all hippie, long hair, know, flowing skirts yet. It's like what we're saying, it's bold, it's briven, it's mini skirts. Yeah.

Justine Lemos (39:35)
It's bold, bright, it's girls wearing mini skirts. Like

it's a little bit of a beehive hairdo still. It feels buttoned up, but under the surface, everybody is starting to break apart. Family structure of like nuclear family. It's like Mad Men, you know, but it's Mad Men with this haunting energy. Like if you watch Mad Men, there is the energy of the late sixties, like coming in with like all of a sudden they're chanting Hare Krishna and like

Scarlett (39:41)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Justine Lemos (40:05)
bugging out and trying psychedelics and like, you know, there's all this undercurrent of, of counterculture that is coming into the mainstream. And we're seeing this also with a really massive, ⁓ you know, with psychedelics coming on board legally in Colorado, in Oregon, possibly in California coming up, we'll see, but the same sort of energy is revisiting right now while on the surface there's like,

Scarlett (40:08)
Yes!

Mm-hmm.

Justine Lemos (40:34)
really massive, you know, obviously conservative culture is having its place, but it's very similar energetically to like 1965, 1966, 1967, and then we're into Summer of Love and Revolution.

Scarlett (40:43)
It's, yeah.

Yep, and exalted Jupiter, right? And so in the mid-60s, before this was really coming all the way into the mainstream, like psychedelic experimentation, think about like Ram Dass, Ram Dass, think about characters like Alan Watts, yeah.

Justine Lemos (41:03)
yeah.

Timothy Leary, Ram Dass,

and they're doing it at the university, right? Jupiter in Gemini at the university. Indiana Jones is teaching and then he's off.

Scarlett (41:10)
Exactly. Yep.

Highly intellectual.

Yeah, it's like ⁓ the teacher hanging out with its students kind of energy. It's very intellectual, it's scattered, but out of enthusiasm. Really fun. So I threw a couple of books. I didn't check the publication dates, but energy in terms of culture for this is like Bob Dylan song lyrics. It's like been down so long, it looks like up to me type novels.

Justine Lemos (41:40)
Yeah, exactly.

Yep.

It's not electric acid coolate, electric coolant acid test yet.

Scarlett (41:45)
It's so.

No, no,

that's later, that's the 70s. This is like the... ⁓

Justine Lemos (41:53)
Correct.

Scarlett (41:58)
my gosh, it's like the analog phase almost where...

Justine Lemos (42:02)
It's like the beatnik

generation. It's like it's like just after the beatnik. Like that. Yeah.

Scarlett (42:10)
Yeah,

it's like rambling poetry kind of energy. But Bob Dylan really came to mind, he did a tour in 1966. So he did a tour with this placement. And you can go ahead and just look that up. Look up Bob Dylan 1966 live tour and spend some time with that if you want to get a taste of what this, and I could go and go with other examples. But ⁓ I mean, if we're talking about the mid-60s, you got to shout out a civil rights movement.

Justine Lemos (42:13)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

you

Scarlett (42:39)
I mean, this is a whole new...

Justine Lemos (42:41)
100 % and that's Jupiter

moving into Gemini also.

Scarlett (42:45)
Yeah, it's a whole new paradigm. And we don't have the time to really give grace to that part of history on this podcast at minute 42, 43 in a second. But if you're putting context around something from that time period, that's a really important piece of it. you pull up a chart. What are we looking at here? We're looking at August 8th, 1965.

Justine Lemos (43:14)
This is right around when Jupiter moves into Gemini. He's at 30th. Yeah.

Scarlett (43:16)
Yeah, zero degrees. Yeah,

he just got there. Interesting. Very interesting to see this in context. I don't know if we want to read a chart live right now, but...

Justine Lemos (43:27)
No, we don't. I bet and

everybody's not seeing it. I just threw it up so you could see what's happening and so you could see what I'm seeing. ⁓ And then so what about film? It's like something quirky. It's something intellectual. You know, it's like it's like a Wes Anderson film probably. I don't know, but that's a really good question. Let's find out. 1967. Yeah.

Scarlett (43:33)
Mm-hmm.

What year did the graduate come out?

I'm going to look that one up right now. 1967. they were, so the graduate

was filmed with under this placement. The graduate was being produced with Jupiter in Gemini. I remember having that thought the other day. that's, that's the, mean, Benjamin is freshly out of college. I just looked it up, right? He doesn't want to follow his parents advice, you know, and then, and then I mean, think about the myth we just told. This is now.

Justine Lemos (43:59)
Yeah.

Yep.

Yes,

I know I just thinking about that.

Scarlett (44:16)
Yeah.

So if you haven't watched The Graduate, you can go ahead and kind of tap into that too. So these are some of the things that were produced or in production at this time period. Yeah.

Justine Lemos (44:23)
Yep.

And I feel like the music is like, ⁓ it's Esquivel's Space Age Lounge. Do you know that music? It's like from the, ⁓ Esquivel is amazing. It's Space Age Lounge music from the 1960s. And it like, it feels like the Jetsons soundtrack done really well, played by orchestra.

Scarlett (44:36)
Mm-mm.

okay.

Justine Lemos (44:57)
I'll send you some, but it's exactly this. like, it's like what you would feel like if you were in a lounge in the future imagining of the sixties, like what, the, like the Jetsons, you know, that's like the future is we're going to be running around on our little airplanes and like do it, but we're still in this family structure.

Scarlett (45:01)
Am I...totally?

Another one that just popped in mind and you can connect my pronunciation. He's American, so we're gonna go with Herb as the correct pronunciation. Could be Herb, Herb, Albert. Herb, Herb, Albert would be a great soundtrack reference as well. Similar to what you're describing. ⁓ I would check that one out. And his band was called the Tijuana Brass Band. Yeah.

Justine Lemos (45:26)
You

Herb. Uh huh. Yeah, go with the herb. Yeah.

Yes, exactly. And

so Esquivel is like ⁓ late 50s, early 60s, mid 60s. And he is known as the king of space age pop, or the Buzz Berkley, Busby Berkeley of cocktail music considered one of the foremost exponents of a style of quirky instrumental pop that became known in retrospect as space age bachelor pad music. Yeah, that's totally it. I'm going to send you some because you're like going to love it.

Scarlett (45:56)
Ooh, okay.

That's totally it.

Great. And I

sent you all this great music yesterday, but that's when we were a little bit confused about where exactly the full moon was happening. But I think it was still pretty, it was still pretty on point. It's kind of.

Justine Lemos (46:21)
Yes, exactly. Also,

know, uh, Gem and outcast, very Gemini, Andre 3000, like innovating, wild, expansive, especially that like new flute album, which is but but definitely outcast is. Mm hmm.

Scarlett (46:32)
⁓ yeah and yeah yeah

huh, huh, huh.

That's a great one. that's

great. what was 12 years ago? Well, 24 years ago, they would have been really kind of in a rise to fame with Jupiter in this placement, actually. Yeah, they kind of laid the groundwork in the 90s in the late 1900s and then right in the...

Justine Lemos (47:02)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

in the late 1900s.

Isn't that great? ⁓ Yeah, you know, it's also, ⁓ it's, it's, it's also like, high fashion does low fashion. So, you know, runway gutter punk kind of energy. ⁓ That, that is what's happening with this.

Scarlett (47:14)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm

Yeah.

Justine Lemos (47:39)
movement into Gemini.

Scarlett (47:39)
also, another read before I did any research or really thought about dates or anything, ⁓ another read I got on this placement was like secondhand or hand-me-down fashion, where it's kind of things, Jupiter doesn't really care about brand names or whether things are new or not. That's more of a Venus concern. Mercury is highly eclectic. So this is almost like...

Justine Lemos (47:51)
Mm-hmm.

Yes. ⁓

Scarlett (48:03)
a family member getting together all these odds and ends from all these people and being like, here, take your pick. And all the kids, the twins, I guess, end up with these kind of fantastic hodgepodges of fashion. That's what really came through. And there's very much an intergenerational and blended family dynamic as well going on here. Jupiter loves kids. He's loving a kid that's not even biologically his in this case, right? And yeah.

Justine Lemos (48:22)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Scarlett (48:32)
Anyway, lots to think about there. But, sorry, wrap it up. That was great fun.

Justine Lemos (48:34)
All right. Well, that was good fun. There's also the film.

Have you seen the film Everything Everywhere All at Once?

Scarlett (48:44)
⁓ Not in its entirety.

Justine Lemos (48:46)
Well, because who wants to, you know, it's like Gemini multiverse fever dream. ⁓ And so that's a film that we could look towards for this transit, you know, deep questions about absurdity ⁓ and expansion through duality, multiplicity bagels, you know, those things. So those are some of the film picks. We will be back next week for more.

Scarlett (48:52)
Mm-hmm.

Great.

Justine Lemos (49:14)
astrological Ayurvedic and tantric updates from our world as well as everybody's favorite fashion pick movie pick and music pick for the astrological transit as well as Vedic and Shastrik and Puranic and myths you know we might tell myths I might tell myths from all over the world I am non-dominational in my myth picking but I absolutely love stories and story frameworks and I'm a collector of stories

Scarlett (49:19)
Great.

Justine Lemos (49:44)
Ooh, one other thing I want to say. Yesterday, moving towards the full moon, I went on a walk here at Navarro Headlands and check this out. I saw a pod of hundred dolphins. Very rare here to see dolphins. And there was the biggest pod of dolphins were on the Pacific Northwest on the Mendocino coast. And we see whales a lot, but this was a

Scarlett (49:56)
Wow.

Wow.

Justine Lemos (50:08)
huge pod of dolphins moving south. were breaching, they were jumping, the ocean was really flat. They weren't super far out, but they weren't super close in, but there was distinctly, and there was about hundred dolphins jumping.

Scarlett (50:19)
That's

amazing. And I mean, this this feels like my cue to just remind everyone that the moon does control the tides. Whether you believe in astrology or not, you probably do if you've listened this far into the podcast. But we I mean, I'm not there now, but having lived on in a coastal town for a long time, full moon, the new moon, you're going to see big changes in the tide and seeing a pod of dolphins at that kind of maximus is like everything's rising to the surface. Right. And and

Justine Lemos (50:30)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, and it was like

that. They were right at the surface. At first, I was like, is there something feeding out there? And then I just saw this whirling, swirling mass and they started jumping and there were literally over a hundred of these probably common dolphins. But this is what we call a namitta or like an omen to which my child says, yeah, I saw my toast this morning. Was it a namitta, mom? But you know, it has to have a certain currency and electricity, a charge and actually knowing what is a namitta is a fine art. ⁓

Scarlett (50:50)
rising to the surface. Yeah. Probably.

Yeah.

Justine Lemos (51:18)
But it felt like Namitha of Full Moon of this like playful ludic energy of water energy playing in and out of the water. And so I think Jupiter moving into Gemini is like, all right, let's have fun in the chaos.

Scarlett (51:37)
Interesting. And let's be wise even as we behave chaotically, which is kind of another theme for this podcast where you could listen to this for an hour and say, did they ever get to the point? It's like every what is the point? What is the point? Every point we've been learning all along. And if you stay with it long enough, you know, you'll well.

Justine Lemos (51:38)
have fun in the duality.

Hmm.

Every point is the point.

I guess I should

put in a shameless plug for my Chandrajyoti Vedic astrology study group that meets once a week that is linear in fashion and that people can join at any time but is actually learning the nuts and bolts of Vedic astrology from beginning. ⁓ What are the planets? What are the signs? What are the houses? What are the star signs? And this is not the venue for this. This is where we just chat about

Scarlett (52:26)
No, this is not the, this is

applied, this is applied and you get to apply these things once you have studied them in a linear fashion, right? You don't go straight to the chaos, you learn the routines and then you do the interpretive dance, right? We're doing the interpretive dance and this, and it sounds like we have no idea what we're talking about, but this is the result.

Justine Lemos (52:30)
Yeah.

That's right, we're doing the interpretive dance.

Does it? I think

it sounds like we really know what we're talking about.

Scarlett (52:54)
It's both! It's both!

It sounds like we can't hold a theme, but the fact is that we're holding all the themes at once and letting them express themselves. Kind of like a hundred dolphins. All their dolphins come like a hundred dolphins. ⁓

Justine Lemos (53:05)
Kind of like a hundred dolphins swimming. That is our thought for

the day. Jupiter moves to Gemini, full moon in Libra. We'll be back next week. Probably, probably talking about Rahu's movement backwards into Aquarius. It's probably... Rahu and Ketu. Can't forget about Ketu. Yeah. This is big. So tune in next week and join us for another episode of...

Scarlett (53:19)
Mm-hmm. We'll talk about that in a change. Rahu and Ketu. Rahu Ketu changing science. Yep.

Justine Lemos (53:34)
third eye rule where cosmic wisdom gets discussed and occasionally roasted.

Scarlett (53:40)
Bye.

Justine Lemos (53:43)
Bye.