Ep 4: Ghosts of Glamour & the Anthill Sage

In this episode of Third Eye Roll, Dr. Justine Lemos and Scarlett Trillia decode the cosmic weirdness of Ketu's transit through Leo, a moment dripping in spiritual paradox and karmic unraveling. Ketu—Vedic astrology’s South Node and master of detachment—crashes into Leo’s glam, spotlight-loving stage, and things get... existential.

Together, they explore how this transit stirs past life karma, triggers ego death, and asks us to give up the performance in favor of presence. Mythic storytelling meets cultural commentary with iconic references from Grey Gardens to The Royal Tenenbaums, and a WTF-worthy retelling of the ancient tale of Chyavana, the decomposing yogi who chose stillness over stardom.

Expect irreverent wisdom, ancient insights, and practical tools for spiritual detox. Let your old self fade into the forest, babe—it’s Ketu’s show now.

🪐 Takeaways:

• Ketu (K2) symbolizes past life karma, detachment, and spiritual maturity
• Ketu in Leo = craving the spotlight but ghosting the stage
• The myth of Chyavana shows us how ego death leads to spiritual glow-ups
• Grey Gardens and The Royal Tenenbaums channel peak Ketu-in-Leo drama and nostalgia
• This transit may inspire public figures to retreat or renounce fame
• Ketu is the sadhu in the stars: minimalist, mystical, and a little ghostly
• Letting go of old identities clears the way for soul-level creativity
• Ketu’s dasha is short but spiritually intense—don’t waste it
• Tracking the nakshatra Ketu transits through can reveal hidden karmic patterns

🎧 Sound Bites:

🌀 “Ketu is the most at home in Scorpio.”
 👑 “Let your old personas die with grace.”
 🔥 “Ketu is a warrior—a spiritual warrior.”
 👻 “This isn’t your comeback. It’s your cosmic exit.”
 ✨ “You’re not decaying—you’re becoming medicine.”

Transcript

Justine Lemos (00:01.326)
Hello and welcome back to Third Eye Roll. I'm Dr. Justine Lemos and I'm here with Scarlet Trillia. And apparently we are streaming into the wild, wild interwebs with Third Eye Roll. Fourth episode of the reincarnated Third Eye Roll today.

Scarlett (00:21.655)
I love it. And I just want to say thank you to all of the strangers who have been listening to our podcast. We don't know who you are and I can't imagine what you're thinking, but we are so happy to have you here. yep. Should we introduce ourselves? We were, yeah.

Justine Lemos (00:36.75)
Absolutely. Please introduce yourself or I could introduce you and you could introduce me, but why don't you introduce yourself, dear Scarlett?

Scarlett (00:45.199)
Okay, thanks. Hi, my name is Scarlett and I don't even know what to say about myself other than the fact that I'm Justine Limos's student and friend. And we've been talking about this stuff for a long, long time. And we decided to bring it to a live platform and into a podcast format because this is an oral tradition.

Justine Lemos (01:13.634)
That's right. Yeah. I am Dr. Justine Lemos and I have the rare distinction of preparing myself to be buried in a Neanderthal burial ritual recreation this morning, of course. And I'm happy to speak more about the why and what of that event that will be happening really right after I get off recording this podcast. Yes.

Scarlett (01:15.001)
That's right. Yeah.

Scarlett (01:28.207)
Of course. Yeah.

Scarlett (01:39.535)
For context, I'm in a business co-working space where I have recorded all of these podcasts and I schedule this in between completely unrelated meetings. So I go from deep tech business roadmap planning to this conversation and then straight back to work. This is the funnest part of my day. Don't tell me, don't, yeah.

Justine Lemos (02:00.972)
I love that. I'm so glad we could provide you some element of fun and whimsy in the middle of that day.

Scarlett (02:08.665)
fun and whizzy. So let's get into some fun and whizzy.

Justine Lemos (02:12.148)
Let's get into our cosmic current events, our cosmic current moment, which there is a big transit that just happened in the sky. It's a double transit of Rahu and Ketu. And if you haven't listened to podcasts, I believe it is episode two, where we talk about Rahu and Ketu. Go back and listen to that. The Rahu and Ketu are the two nodes of the moon. Rahu is the north node.

K2 is the south node. They are mathematical points that create eclipses. They're always on 180 degree axis opposite of each other in the sky and they move backwards in comparison to all the other planets. today, and two days ago, Rahu moved from Pisces into Aquarius, K2 moved from Virgo back into Leo and

They change signs once every 18 months. So this is a big transit. And today we are going to talk about K2 into Leo. And in our next episode, we're going to talk about Rahu into Aquarius. So today is K2 into Leo, ghosts of fame and glamour. And it's giving very like washed up glamour, like I used to be someone.

Scarlett (03:29.135)
Ghosts of Aiman Clem.

Scarlett (03:36.995)
I had some really good celebrities come to mind, but of course I already forgot them and I think that's kind of the nature of it. I also just wanted to say, if you listened to our last podcast, we were like, no, this transit isn't happening for two more weeks, but I simply think we did not know what day it was. Well, there were three transits last week and they have all occurred, but here we are.

Justine Lemos (03:56.504)
We were suffering some confusion.

Justine Lemos (04:03.436)
Right.

Scarlett (04:07.347)
washed up, washed up fame and celebrity. I need to catch up. I didn't get to do as much thinking ahead as you did, so you might have to jump in.

Justine Lemos (04:15.374)
Well, so K2 is the indicator of past life karma, right? Oh, and now I'm showing that Rahu hasn't moved and K2 hasn't moved quite yet on May 20th. So we...

Scarlett (04:30.377)
well, but on my charts they have.

Justine Lemos (04:34.454)
Right. and that's because we use different software and actually I should link up. I should just use Cosmic Insights for this podcast. And that's because of like some settings deep, deep inside the software. And my Parashara's light is slightly off and my Cosmic Insights is right. So shout out to Cosmic Insights. We love your product and your app. This is not a paid monetized plug.

Scarlett (04:35.341)
So.

Justine Lemos (04:58.508)
We're open to those in the future from now, but we love Cosmic Insights. It's an app. You can download it for free and check out the Vedic Astrology on your phone. Very useful.

Scarlett (05:09.583)
And if friends listening to this, friends and strangers, you can subscribe to their newsletter and it is actually very useful. It will kind of keep you on track.

Justine Lemos (05:09.974)
So, yeah.

Scarlett (05:20.847)
Let's jump in. Let's talk about what is K2? And then that will help us talk about what is K2 going to do when it changes into this new place in the sky?

Justine Lemos (05:33.634)
That's exactly right. So K2 is the South node of the moon and it's karaka. It's the indicator of past life karma. So it's everything that came before that's creating the current conditions. Yep. K2 on Cosmic Insights. Yeah. K2 is moved and Rahu is moved. So we're all synced up. And so K2 is the renunciate. It is a body without a head.

If you listen when we told the myth about Rahu and Ketu and how they got separated from head and body, Ketu is the wandering Sadhu that has completely renounced the world and is the area of the life wherever Ketu is placed, is the area that we're just like disenchanted. We don't really have much motivation around that area of life because

We have lived through it so many times that it's kind of whatever energy in essence.

Scarlett (06:38.255)
That being said, the way I was, this was taught to me and we can, we'll reiterate this also in the next podcast when we talk about Rahu is because Rahu and Ketu exist, but they don't exist because they don't have form, their shadows, et cetera. We, we try to give them, we tried to gain perspective on them by comparing them to other physical planets. And of all of the exist, the real planets of all of the planets that are not Rahu.

K2, K2's energy is actually the most like Mars. So it has this kind of masculine fighter warrior ability to actually go out and get or achieve, but without any attachment to the results because it's already achieved it in the past. So it's like, it knows how to do it. It knows how to go and get it, but it doesn't really care if that makes sense.

Justine Lemos (07:31.468)
Right, so I will see, you know, like K2 in a placement, for example, in somebody's house of career. And it's like they have a great career. They're like really good at their career, but it doesn't hold charm for them.

They're not like obsessed with their career. They're not really into their career. It's just kind of present or there or example, you know, it'll be in the house of children. Somebody else wants to have children. They're obsessed with children. They can't have children. This person with a, you know, Ketu in house of children, either they won't have any children and not care about it or they'll have some children, but it's not like this focus of the life. And in part, Ketu is the aversions, whereas Rahu is the cravings, the obsessions. It's this karmic, it's this karmic axis.

Scarlett (08:10.445)
The obsessions. Yeah.

Justine Lemos (08:14.7)
between these two extremes where the life unfolds. And actually one of my teachers of Jyotish said, you look at Rahu Ketu first in the chart. I don't always do that, but you look at where that karmic axis is pulling for that individual, right? And for not just the individual, but for what's happening for everyone right now in the chart. So, you know,

The archetype of K2 is like the wise old drifter or the outcast, right? K2 gives, you know, like I said, wandering sadhu or person without a house kind of energy.

Scarlett (08:56.301)
Yeah, it's kind of aesthetic. One other reference point, especially for folks who are migrating, over from more like Western welcome, you're coming over from the West, where Western astrology, where we don't use the terms Rahu and Ketu, we do have nodes in that system. Another place that you can kind of ground your understanding of Ketu is in Eighth House or Scorpio.

Justine Lemos (09:05.227)
Welcome! Welcome to our side!

Scarlett (09:24.719)
which is the natural eighth house of the chart. K2 is the most at home there, and that's a sign that's ruled by Mars. I already mentioned the relationship between Mars and K2. And that's kind of the unseen occult kind of dark witchy.

part of the life is one way. We can go much deeper into Scorpio house and into Eighth House energies later. But if that helps you kind of frame where K2's energy lies, that would be a reference point is Scorpio. So.

Justine Lemos (09:56.158)
Yes, it's, you know, dissatisfaction and detachment and solitude and anonymity. It's things that are hidden or buried, which is why it's really great that I'm getting buried in a Neanderthal burial ritual reenactment in an hour or two after doing this. I'm, I'm fine with whatcha...

Scarlett (10:15.459)
Do we want to explain why you're doing that or should we just leave that as a total mystery? I think leave it as a mystery. I think say this, I think say no more, but just.

Justine Lemos (10:24.098)
I think I will say no more, but I'm gonna keep talking about it.

Scarlett (10:27.501)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. Perfect. Okay. we have K2 is like our character and Leo, the place that K2 is heading or has headed into is like the stage, right? If we're speaking in metaphors. The container, yeah. Area and also again, area of life. Yeah.

Justine Lemos (10:31.95)
Exactly.

Justine Lemos (10:46.818)
Yeah, the stage or the environment, the kind of, you know, the, yeah. And so you get the area of life. So Leo is ruled over by the sun and it's really all about me, me, me, me. It's like creativity and charisma and crowns, you know, it is the sign of the king and of being center stage, right?

Scarlett (11:05.112)
Boo!

Scarlett (11:15.471)
And, though, Leo is the natural fifth house of children, too. But children kind of being like an extension of me. more of me. These are mine kind of energy. But it is the place of progeny in the chart.

Justine Lemos (11:20.578)
Mm-hmm, yes, children also.

Justine Lemos (11:26.569)
huh. Yeah, exactly.

Justine Lemos (11:35.566)
Yes. And so K2 wants to burn it all down, says let it burn really, or let it compost.

Scarlett (11:48.143)
yes, I thought by the way of other words that I know how to read and spell but not pronounce, I'll see if I can work them into the routine later. Other really good ones.

Justine Lemos (11:56.372)
great. Good, good idea. So K2 is all about detachment and Leo craves applause. So there's a paradox here. It's like longing to be seen and then allergic to any attention, right? And so during this 18 month transit, might see like people

who are very prominent in the public eye, like completely leaving center stage, like influencers, celebrities, just retiring or just leaving, shutting everything off and going into a cave.

Scarlett (12:44.151)
And actually to kind of emphasize that point, if you look, and I recommend this if you're studying or learning this tradition, if you look at celebrity charts, you if you look at the charts of people who a lot of us can relate to through their fame, you'll often see placements in Leo, particularly the sun itself. So the sun getting on its own stage kind of thing. And if a person has their natal sun there, they're often stage worthy spotlight.

worthy and K2 joining them, K2 is part of the eclipse axis, right? So it's like somebody blocking the spotlight that's supposed to be on you. So it's exactly to your point. It could take you right off the stage. Yeah.

Justine Lemos (13:22.186)
Exactly right.

It could take you off the stage or it's like the child star that's screaming out like I was special. There's a little bit. This is not my movie pick, but there's a little bit of a Royal Tenenbaums vibe here where like there's all these child prod, projody, prod, projodies. But what's the word?

Scarlett (13:39.791)
Scarlett (13:47.663)
Pro-je-dees. Yeah. Proje-... progeny pro-je-dees? Pro-je-dees. Pro-je-dees.

Justine Lemos (13:49.358)
Is that it?

Yeah, that have grown up and like aren't as awesome as they were when they were children because they aren't children anymore.

Scarlett (13:59.757)
Yeah. Gwyneth Paltrow's character in that movie, by the way, I just was looking- we didn't talk about this, just so everyone knows, I was looking at a picture of her character yesterday, of course, because we are but one consciousness, and she kind has the energy of K2 in Leo, I would agree with that.

Justine Lemos (14:03.404)
Yeah.

Justine Lemos (14:09.615)
yeah. Yep. Correct.

Justine Lemos (14:20.29)
I think the whole film has a bit of K2 in Leo. It's like these children who were child geniuses and progenies grow up and are odd and kind of trying to still express that energy of when they were children, excelled children.

Scarlett (14:25.123)
Mm-hmm.

Scarlett (14:46.393)
You know what? This might be the movie pick, actually. It's not yours. Okay. I can take that one.

Justine Lemos (14:48.494)
It's not mine. Well, let's do movies. It's not mine. You can take that one. My movie pick. I like that one a lot, but my movie pick that I thought of a few days ago is the very classic, and I think you haven't seen this, but you should see it. 1975 documentary called Grey Gardens. And it's about two cousins of Jackie Onassis who are living in this decaying, falling down mansion in the Hamptons.

Scarlett (15:07.407)
Mmm.

Justine Lemos (15:18.086)
And their names are Little Eddie and Big Eddie. And they dress just like queens and they're just living in shambles. And they're completely eccentric and nostalgic. And they're haunted by this golden age of like when they were socialites and like in the whole Brahmin social scene in Boston and New York.

And they're just, there's like raccoons living in their mansion and their furs are all, and they're like completely, completely eccentric and odd, like just so odd. And K2 always has a very eccentric kind of odd energy to it. But my movie pick is definitely Grey Gardens. And if you haven't seen that documentary, it's absolutely a classic of American cinema. And I really recommend that you watch it.

Scarlett (15:46.063)
Perfect.

Scarlett (16:11.291)
I will have to watch that one. K2 is really odd. Both of us, in case anyone couldn't figure it out, both of us carry a lot of the energy of K2 in our personal charts and lives, case you couldn't have guessed. And just something that's notable about K2 is K2 is subtle due to the fact that it kind of doesn't exist or have a head or anything like that.

We haven't talked about this yet. We can go into more detail on it. Each planet or planetary body, including the nodes, has a period of time in our life where it kind of takes the wheel. And the number of years that this goes on between the nine planetary bodies in the chart adds up to 120 years. If you live that long, you get to experience all of them. Every, everyone.

Justine Lemos (17:03.488)
Every, which, which I had an Ayurveda teacher who said that it's an indication that that's how long that we are kind of supposed to live or something. Yeah. I don't know.

Scarlett (17:13.175)
Yeah, maybe. Yeah, you get to work out all your karmas in a hundred and twenty year lifetime. But to the point about Ketu, Ketu has the shortest. These are called maha dashas. Maha is kind of like the main transit of a period of time. That's not the actual translation, but just think of it that way. Mm Yeah.

Justine Lemos (17:17.112)
Yep. Exactly. Yeah.

Justine Lemos (17:31.978)
Maha means big. Dasha means time period. It is a big time period. There you go.

Scarlett (17:36.495)
It's a big time period. Yeah, it's got the dominant time period and K2s is the shortest of all of them. And the reason why is because it you couldn't survive it if it lasted much longer than that. You would lose your you would lose your mind. You would lose your mind.

Justine Lemos (17:48.27)
That's right. Yes, you would lose your mind because K2 has no head. And these two lovely ladies in Grey Gardens, they're definitely not living a mental program that is typical.

Scarlett (18:06.041)
Fair enough.

Justine Lemos (18:07.006)
Right. They are definitely K2. I feel like the fashion for this transit for K2 into Leo is like, you know, vintage furs that are kind of decomposing smell like mothballs.

Scarlett (18:23.247)
Ooh, that's a good one. I was gonna say power clashing. Like print, like prints. Leo likes a lot of prints. mean, animal prints, but also just bold, bold colors, big jewelry. Yeah, there you go. Hey, all right, all right, there you go.

Justine Lemos (18:24.716)
Right? Interesting. Tell me more.

Justine Lemos (18:35.182)
I've got my animal print leggings. They're my costume for the Neanderthal burial ritual.

Scarlett (18:42.457)
Perfect. Leo is loud, Leo is bold, Leo likes the spotlight. So kind of big, bold, patterned, colorful things. But if you got dressed in the dark, so it's like, these don't match. Power clash is what I would call unintentional power clashing.

Justine Lemos (18:45.206)
You

Justine Lemos (19:01.262)
Unintentional power-catching or like, like wearing a diamond tiara, but maybe like in a Walmart.

Scarlett (19:12.705)
yeah it's like out of context which is also kind of its own form of power clashing like nothing

Justine Lemos (19:15.244)
Yeah.

Right. Or, or I was thinking about, you know, when occasionally a fashion designer will think they're really edgy and they'll like put like trash bags on a model on a runway or like they'll emulate people without house houses, fashion on a runway. That's kind of this, transit energy.

Scarlett (19:31.203)
Mm-hmm.

Scarlett (19:42.561)
Yeah, you know what else it kind of made me think of is like a weird weather day in LA where everyone's got like style pieces on but they've kind of put them together. It's like it's hot, it's cold, I'm wearing shorts, I'm wearing a down jacket, I'm wearing one of these things is fluorescent. All of these things were expensive, none of them really make sense. Like I'm at the grocery store, you know, it doesn't, it's kind of, I don't know. That's okay.

Justine Lemos (20:03.756)
You

Justine Lemos (20:09.582)
And then I was also thinking about like odd makeup choices. You know, like kind of like eyeliner just on the inner corner of the eye or like just just like very bright blue, you know, very bright blue or bright red eyeshadow or something.

Scarlett (20:15.183)
yeah.

Scarlett (20:30.337)
Asymmetrical haircuts could also be.

Justine Lemos (20:32.597)
Yes, which which my child I don't know how much I want to talk about them on my my child has a very important k2 placement and has had an asymmetrical haircut forever and they are very attached to their asymmetrical haircut.

Scarlett (20:47.863)
And think about Leo. Leo is like the lion's mane. So you tend to see like big hair, light colors, you know, anything with like sun and Mars rulership actually, but the sun is gonna lighten the hair color, pitadotio, blonde hair, red hair, big hair, mane-like hair, volumous hair. K2 has its head cut off, no head. So it's like big hair, but some of it's missing, you know?

Justine Lemos (20:51.758)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Justine Lemos (21:12.696)
That's right. Or shaved off or whatever. Yes, exactly.

Scarlett (21:14.851)
Shaved off. Yeah, the little like side, bent, yeah, yeah. Okay, all right.

Justine Lemos (21:21.23)
I also think K2 and Leo could get into some very interesting accessories. Cape? Like, like just wearing, wearing cape?

Scarlett (21:27.905)
Mm-hmm. Cape.

They're wearing cape.

Maybe Vizor? Maybe Vizor?

Justine Lemos (21:39.022)
Visor.

Scarlett (21:44.783)
I think, I think visor is actually...

Justine Lemos (21:49.518)
wearing cape and visor. Whoa!

Scarlett (21:53.432)
Kate and Pfizer. my goodness. And it makes sense because that those are the things that you might need in what it were in what

Justine Lemos (21:56.066)
We're in Cape Anvizar.

Justine Lemos (22:06.59)
if you're wandering around as a wandering sadhu, a wandering mechadant, an ascetic, you might get cold. So you could wrap yourself like I think it's naked with cape and visor. Then you could wrap yourself in your cape and you would have sun protection.

Scarlett (22:20.739)
Yeah.

Scarlett (22:26.617)
But you also would have some room, because you don't want to, yeah, some space above. Shade. Shade.

Justine Lemos (22:34.858)
above to connect because you K2 has the mind blown. K2 is my mind if you're like whoa my mind is blown. That's K2 energy or that feeling of when you can't remember what you were going to say that gap space where there just is nothing and actually that's a very powerful moment is a very transcendent moment because you just drop into this state of pure consciousness that moment of

don't remember what I was going to say. There's nothing there. I put my hand in my pocket and the wallet is missing. And maybe there is no pocket that space that gap space between dimensions. That's K2.

Scarlett (23:17.667)
This also, especially in Leo, and we can talk about the Naxatras of Leo as well, this gives the energy, and I haven't seen the most movies in my life of all the people in the world, but this gives the energy of like a king who has lost their mind. Like they're still in power, but they've gone crazy in power. Yes, yeah.

Justine Lemos (23:36.588)
Yet,

Yes, was thinking about early this morning, I was thinking about, I think it's in Lord of the Rings, where there is a king. Yes, it's Lord of the Rings, and he's just been taken over in trance, in essence, by Sauron, and he's like kind of blind and crusty and just like sits there, but he's still the king, right? But it doesn't have agency or will, absolutely.

Scarlett (24:02.499)
Mm-hmm.

Also, kings sometimes wear capes. Robe, what is it called? It's not a cape, it's like a robe, gown, go, I don't know, whatever. Robe of state, I don't know.

Justine Lemos (24:08.738)
Yes, of course.

Justine Lemos (24:14.764)
A robe, a robe, robe of state. Actually, this actually is a really nice segue into the myth I was gonna tell. Do we only do music for this transit first? Okay.

Scarlett (24:29.773)
Let's do music and I am gonna, can I steal your suggestion that you voice noted me yesterday? Okay, good, good. So you brought up the doors. I would say specifically Jim Morrison has a lot of the energy that we're talking about. He's got the long hair, he's got the charisma and the spotlight, doesn't really want it, kind of loses it, know, uses substances, which K2 may do.

Justine Lemos (24:35.498)
yeah, cause I've got another one that I've got. Yes.

Justine Lemos (24:57.218)
Yep.

Scarlett (24:57.263)
to get into kind of this alternative headspace. It's very psychedelic. He's the leader of his group, but kind of loses the reins. That's a lot of the energy that we're talking about. And some of that music, I mean, the music speaks for itself. You can listen to it. Okay, what's the other one?

Justine Lemos (25:14.958)
I thought about, do know Mazzy Star? Right? And I thought specifically, you know, the classic Mazzy Star song fade into you, which is just like romantic and wistful and K2 in the Leo, but completely detached. Yeah. Yeah.

Scarlett (25:18.46)
yeah, that's a great one.

Scarlett (25:26.063)
You

Scarlett (25:33.579)
Mm-hmm. That's a good one. and yeah, okay. Let's do wait, wait, wait fashion movie Music we did it there's not anything else. Okay. Okay. We did it We could I think I threw in some literature at one point, but we can we don't need to go there

Justine Lemos (25:42.124)
movie music. We did it. We did it. We did it. We did those. Yeah, no, we haven't added to that. We could.

Justine Lemos (25:55.694)
So, Chayavana's reclusion, or Chayavana, Chayawanna. so long, long ago and far, far away and simultaneously inside of each of us. Wait, you didn't say in a galaxy far away. I was waiting. Okay. It's time for you to relax now. There was a sage named...

Scarlett (26:15.393)
in a galaxy far, away. Sorry, I got too relaxed. I missed my cue. It's sad.

Justine Lemos (26:25.536)
Chayavana, who is very, powerful. And he sat in such stillness and silence that ants, of course, built a colony on his body. Right? So he just sat there with no movement and no food and no skincare routine in the sun. He, he should have had his visor.

Scarlett (26:42.582)
as they do.

Justine Lemos (26:56.736)
just pure blazing, what we call tapasya or like inner fire, right? Inner fire and austerity, very K2. And as he sat there, he didn't die, but his body decayed, his eyes were gone, and he became one with the forest floor. He was a ghost of the ego and a monument of detachment. So he's not dead, but he's completely composted.

And enter in the lovely princess Sukanya. I should state that this myth comes out of the mythic epic Mahabharata, which is one of two epics that are a very important cultural and or religious substrata for what has been called Hinduism, much as the Greeks had the Odyssey and the Iliad.

There are these two great epics known as Mahabharata and Ramayana and this story is from the beginning of the Mahabharata. So Princess Sukanya came onto the scene, walking through the forest and she is very curious and she is very glowing and she is royal. She's a princess, so Leo energy. And she sees this strange lump of an anthill.

And so what does she do? But she takes a stick and she begins to poke at it. And she blinds the sage, Chayavana. And this creates a lot of divine rage in the gods and karmic consequences because you don't poke a sage. This is not a good idea, especially one who has achieved

such ego disintegration that he has become an anthill. And so

Scarlett (29:00.975)
Sorry, something to aspire to in this lifetime.

Justine Lemos (29:07.022)
Dude, he meditated so hard that his ego completely dissolved and he just became like full antilope.

Scarlett (29:19.183)
message.

Justine Lemos (29:19.544)
Right? And this is a practice. There's one very famous yogi, 1920s in Bombay. I'm forgetting his name right now, but his practice, and these are the things that aren't talked about in most yoga communities or classes. His whole practice of yoga was allowing mosquitoes to bite him without reacting. That's hard. That is hard yogic practice right there. That is some tapasya. That is some austerity, right? So,

She gets all these karmic consequences because she's poked the sage who is an anthill with a stick and so to repair the damage she marries him.

And she is still a radiant, beautiful young princess queen and he's just a crumbling blind husk of a yogi antel. And so this day they get married and she's, you know, it's like...

old young vibe to the extreme. I mean, he's a decomposing anthill yogi husk and she's this young vibrant princess. Until the Ashwini kumars who rule over our first nakshatra of Ashwini, which is ruled by Ketu, which is why I thought of this story. The celestial twins of healing and rejuvenation show up with a potion.

Scarlett (30:40.685)
which is rolled by K2 also.

Justine Lemos (30:54.188)
and they give it to chayavana. Now, for those friends who study Ayurveda, chayavana sounds a lot like chayvampras. And this is where we get the name of the rejuvenative tonic, chayvampras, that we use in Ayurveda as a rasayana or as something to bring back energy, to bring back energy. So chayavana takes the potion.

He bathes in the waters of immortality and he regains his youth and emerges from the forest, not just glowing, but glorified, but he doesn't do it to get young again. He doesn't need a crown. He returns to his youthful form as a byproduct of his deep renunciation, not because he was chasing an aesthetic, not because he's trying to get beautiful. And this is like the classic yogic

maxim that we often teach, which is like, if you practice your yoga, real yoga, yeah, you're going to extend your life and your body will feel better. And yes, you will look glowing. But that's not the reason why we practice the yoga. That's the weeds, not the corn itself of the seeds that we are planting. We're planting the seeds in yoga so that we have realization, right? And so that we experience consciousness.

pure consciousness. just that. go ahead. So from this, I love that.

Scarlett (32:20.665)
Just that, yeah. Just that. Yeah, I mean, yeah. go ahead. No, no. No, I have so many non-sequiturs. I should not go ahead. You go, please. Dude. Stop.

Justine Lemos (32:35.918)
So from this and from Ketu, from the energy manifestation, the Shakti of Ketu are the Ashwini Kumars, these two twin horse-headed physicians to the deities. From Ketu, we get this medicine, this divine medicine that is Chhawanprash, which is named after the sage Chhayaavana, who literally decomposes the ego, who seeks stillness.

and his youth and power, the Leo energy, returns from surrender. Right? So K2 moving into Leo is the idea that if we are center stage, we are in stillness and silence and disintegration, right? From being the Antil, not the like false trappings of the influencer. So that's my myth.

for the week.

Scarlett (33:34.159)
I love this myth. Okay, I've got to interject this non sequitur because I was thinking about our metaphors. So a visor has the top cut off, but a crown also does not, it's not a hat, it's a crown. The top of the head is exposed, right? And I feel like there's a lot of head cutting off energy. We've been talking about it already, but kings and queens, I'm starting to think about what is that epic?

Justine Lemos (33:44.994)
Yes! Yes!

Yes.

Scarlett (34:04.057)
Laura, you just said Lord of the Rings. That's not the one I mean. Game of Thrones. Like this is exactly the energy. Like that little blonde boy at the beginning who I think is eventually deceased. That is kind of this energy. Yes.

Justine Lemos (34:06.488)
Game of Thrones? Yeah. Yes.

Yes.

Justine Lemos (34:20.036)
it very, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, but, but especially the, the renunciate ruler is this energy, right?

Scarlett (34:30.511)
It would be, I haven't watched that show in a long time, it would be the twin brother who kind of has to go like on a total ego death journey. Yeah. Yeah. How are we doing for time? There's something else embedded in Leo that I think is also really relevant to talk about. Can we talk about the next Shatras a little bit?

Justine Lemos (34:41.204)
yeah yeah from getting Jamie who gets his hand cut off.

Justine Lemos (34:58.008)
I think we should talk about the nakshatra's a little bit. so Ketu has moved into Uttara Phalguni right now, which is the latter fruit, which is the fruit that is hanging heavily on the vine. It also has this composting energy of this myth and legend, right?

Scarlett (34:59.201)
I think we should talk about the neck structures a little bit.

Scarlett (35:20.397)
Also related to contracts, maybe not the best time for signing them, but it might also be an energy that pushes them through and it could be actually very faded feeling. Just to back up a little bit because we're giving a lot of great information here. Not that we don't always do that, but this...

Justine Lemos (35:43.598)
you

Scarlett (35:44.525)
I really feel like we're really getting to today. So we were talking about Ashwini, which is the first nakshatra in Aries, the first Rashi, ruled by Ketu. there's an order to the rulership of the nakshatras. There's an order to everything. The order of the rulership of the nakshatras matches the order of the Mahadasha that we mentioned. So no need to memorize this. You'll just hear it over and over until it sticks. But Ketu rules over the first nakshatra in

each of the three segments of nakshatras and it always occurs in a fire sign in Aries, in Leo, and then in Sagittarius. And... yes.

Justine Lemos (36:16.93)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Justine Lemos (36:22.798)
So let me clarify here. So there are 27 star signs. They're the wives of the moon. 27 divided by three segments is nine in each segment. Nine planetary energies. Seven who are the chakras and two that are the nodes of the moon which are the left and right side channels the Ida and Pingala. So we hope that made it a lot clearer for you out there.

Scarlett (36:28.591)
Three.

Scarlett (36:47.277)
just keep listening and it'll all start to chill. where I'm kind of headed, so we're going in retrograde motion, we're moving backward through Leo, we're in the first pada right now of Utara Falguni because the other three are in Virgo. Then we get all four padas of Purva Falguni. And the one I really want to talk about is Magha.

Maga spelled M-A-G-H-A. This is K2's rulership. So K2 rules the first Nausicaa of Leo. And this is like, this is where we're going to get the Mad King energy, right? And it's just really interesting. I'll let you read between the lines that it's called Maga.

Justine Lemos (37:12.525)
No.

Justine Lemos (37:30.616)
Magga? Magga?

Scarlett (37:32.968)
is Ketu and Maga is the king losing losing his mind losing his head a little bit with

Justine Lemos (37:38.306)
his mind. And we are headed in that direction astrologically. So watch out for that. And K2 is heat rising, especially up to the head and face in red and orange color. It is a little hot headed.

Scarlett (37:48.847)
Just some thoughts.

Scarlett (38:00.075)
It's a little hot-headed. It's a little hot-headed. I mean, to be fair, MAGA is also where we get words like magnificent, right? Which is actually kind of a neutral term, if you really think about it.

Justine Lemos (38:09.496)
Yes, it is. Absolutely.

Justine Lemos (38:15.936)
It is a neutral term. Yeah, I like that. That's a good sound bite. Magga is where we get the term magnificent. Yeah. Yeah. Great.

Scarlett (38:21.166)
Right?

Yeah, it is. We get a lot of English words from these Sanskrit words that we are referencing in these practices. I'll think of other good examples. we love so much stuff.

Justine Lemos (38:30.07)
Of course. Yeah. Yes, we love etymology.

Scarlett (38:42.703)
What else can we...

I'm excited to talk about the other side of this transit, is Rahu and Aquarius, but we're going to save that for a separate whole podcast, which we can foreshadow in this one so that we keep you excited to keep listening to the hundreds of people who are listening to this podcast. Amazing. Thank you for joining in.

Justine Lemos (38:56.898)
We're saving that for our next podcast.

Justine Lemos (39:09.186)
That's right!

Justine Lemos (39:14.114)
You can also send us messages and we'll answer your questions or yeah, We may do some giveaways of like prashna, yes, no question readings here in the future from now. I want to just, I think close out by talking about what to do and not to do during K2N Leo.

Scarlett (39:18.028)
Ooh, we would love to answer your questions.

Justine Lemos (39:43.31)
The list of like things to do is, know, you could revisit childhood creativity without any pressure to perform. This is like the person who spent their childhood doing ballet, but then gave it up. It's like, take a ballet class, but don't, you don't have to get on stage and perform. You're just like enjoying that creativity. Or maybe you are a painter when you were a kid and you don't paint anymore, like revisit that, but without any kind of

Scarlett (39:55.343)
Justine Lemos (40:12.718)
pressure or output, right? Definitely let your old personas die with grace. Like experience some ego death during this time, I think. What do you think are other dues during this time?

Scarlett (40:30.735)
For me personally, was thinking about stand-up comedy would be great. That's something. For me personally during this time, I think that may be something that I would like to do. It kind of checks all the boxes. But yeah, for the general populace, stay cool. This is hot energy. This is hot. So in Arya Veda, and we haven't given you an entire education in the science of life because we don't have time, but just...

Justine Lemos (40:35.416)
Stand-up comedy would be really good for you during this time.

Justine Lemos (40:51.084)
Yes.

Scarlett (41:00.331)
everything that we're talking. It's not our aim. But we're talking. But these are hot energies. The sun is hot. K2 is hot. K2 is like Mars. Mars is hot. Ooh. Yeah.

Justine Lemos (41:00.502)
It's not our aim. This is not our aim. No, come to us for something else.

Justine Lemos (41:13.004)
make a prediction. I'm going to make a prediction. I feel like with this transit K2 into Leo, we could see like horrific summertime temperatures throughout the globe.

Scarlett (41:24.813)
Yeah, I was gonna say it's gonna get hot. Like you might need, if you're gonna wear a visor, you might also need to wear like a wet handkerchief or do rag underneath to keep your head cool kind of thing. Like you may actually as opposed, maybe a visor's like for the cool day, but then maybe you need like a big hat to keep the sun off. Cause this is hot energy. It's hot headed energy.

Justine Lemos (41:27.745)
Yeah.

Justine Lemos (41:36.888)
Yeah.

Justine Lemos (41:46.53)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And, be aware in the next 18 months of, heated, you know, things heating up on the global stage. mean, we just had, you know, India and Pakistan do the whole thing that they did in Kashmir. This is Leo, K2 Leo energy. And it happened right on the precipice of these nodes moving.

Scarlett (42:15.887)
K2 is a warrior. K2 is like a spiritual warrior, which is why ego death is good, because that's part of spiritual war, kind of your own spiritual battle. But also be aware of spiritual warfare, if that makes sense. Yeah.

Justine Lemos (42:19.362)
Yes.

Justine Lemos (42:29.218)
That's right. Yes. And, it gets too hot and too dry, right? There's a beautiful myth about this that I could tell another time. too hot, too dry.

Scarlett (42:38.825)
hot to try. Well think about what happens when the sun is too much, right? It's like the sun, we can't live without it. You can't live in darkness and coldness, but if you leave something exposed to the hot, hot sun, it will disintegrate, right?

Justine Lemos (42:55.66)
Yes, and the bones will dry out and turn white. So the don'ts are don't force leadership rules that you've outgrown, and don't expect validation from other people. It's not really going to happen during this transit. And also don't cling to kind of any position of authority, I think.

Scarlett (43:28.537)
Yeah, Mad King.

Justine Lemos (43:31.02)
Mad King. And you know, it's like the cracked crown. And that's good because that's where the light gets in.

Scarlett (43:39.215)
I was thinking about that yesterday in the context of Leonard Cohen, but thank you for catching that one. Yep. Yep.

Justine Lemos (43:43.158)
huh. I caught that one right, right straight at me from London to me via our mind connection.

Scarlett (43:52.463)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. yeah.

Justine Lemos (43:56.982)
All right, well, thank you, Scarlett. We'll see you for our next episode of Third Eye Roll where we talk about Rahu's move into Aquarius.

Scarlett (44:09.487)
I can't wait. I wish we could just talk about it right now. I want to talk about it right now.

Justine Lemos (44:10.574)
Neither can I.

I know me too. Bye. Om Namah Shivaya.

Scarlett (44:25.679)
Bye.

Justine Lemos (44:28.782)
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