3. Carla's story. How she gave her micro preemie baby the best chance of healing.

Carla gave birth to her son at only 24 weeks old.

He had many issues but Carla has done amazing work with her son.

Listen to her story about her experience in the NICU unit, how she dealt with overwhelm in this situation and how she made sure her son had a good diet.

She also talks about tantrums, sleep and screens, and her journey with homeopathy.

She has much to offer mums on a similar journey.

Timestamps:

2.14 NICU unit experience

9.20 Dealing with overwhelm

12.13 How the right attitude helps

16.32 Diet

23.00 Tantrums

27.35 Sleep and screens

35.00 Homeopathy and other therapies

Transcript

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hello everybody. Thank you for being here today. I am speaking to a lady in America called Carla, and she brought her son to Shabo and our team. We're not going to use his name, so we're going to refer him. I'm gonna say him all the time. And he, just so you think, I'm not being rude and Carla's gonna refer to him as her son.'cause I am, I'm pretty clear in all my social media about, it's always the story and it's not about the name of the personal or revealing too much personal stuff about them. It's about their story. That's all that's important. Hi Carla. Hi. And so Carla and I have not really met before. We are looking at each other for the first time because Carla has worked with me through sibo. Shavonne will have taken Carla's case and seen Carla and her son on a video call and then she would've written loads of notes and then I would always discuss the case with Shavonne a day or two later and then finalize the prescription. So I know about a lot about Carla and her son but we've never actually spoken face to face. And I asked Shabo, who does she think would be great to, share their story? Which of our client's, mothers have done an amazing special job and has a story to share. And one of the first three that she will mention was Carla. So let's start at the beginning. He was three when he came to us. Yes. And I'm just gonna run through some of the main symptoms and then you tell us about the start. So he came to us at three. He had a very difficult birth. What I'm gonna ask Carla about he was in the NICU unit for quite a while and some of the key things that he came to us with was that he used to hit himself a lot, have tantrums, lots of head banging, constant runny nose. He wasn't toilet trained. He had some ticks. He had no speech at that point. He was mumbling and babbling. Quite restless. So they were some of the key things I picked up from his notes. Carla, tell us about what what your memories are of when he came to us and tell us about his beginning and the difficult birth. So the difficult birth, he was born as a, what they call here in the US a micro preemie. So he was born at twenty two, twenty four weeks and he weighed a pound 13 ounces. So that was already a bit rough. We spent four and a half months in the nicu. And from the start I knew it was gonna be a challenge because I was told by all the doctors all the things, he was gonna be delayed and he was gonna have difficulty catching up to his peers. And even to the point where I had a neurologist even tell me it would be a miracle, he would walk because he had complications in the NICU when he was a little baby. So from the moment we left the hospital, he was technically, biologically a newborn baby. I, we started therapy right away. So I've always been very involved in his medical history and everything that came, looking at specialist and doctors and all of that from the beginning. But I never felt like I. Was giving solutions or I was given support, or I was giving, nobody ever told me what to do or how to handle him or how to do anything. Basically, they were just like, oh, he has this problem. Give him this medicine. Or if the problem doesn't persist, just there's nothing else we can do. So when he was around three, I started noticing. More different behaviors, not just the developmental delays. Obviously he was nonverbal and I started noticing these bouts of aggress, like he would become very aggressive and have anger episodes where he would just scream for long periods of times and bang his head. So then that's where the whole autism conversation started with his doctors. But he wasn't formally. Diagnosed and he was four because we were just giving him time because he was a preemie, so they always gave him some time to catch up. When I came to you guys, it was basically for support because I needed to learn what to do as his mom. To make his life better and make his life easier. And I've known about homeopathy for years. My grandmother used to use it with me when I was little, so I always knew what it did and how it worked. And, but I didn't know how to start. I guess that's, how I found you. And I wanted to, I knew that it could help him in a different way than traditional medicine could do. How did you know that? Because many people think, oh, homeopathy can, maybe it'll just help, I don't know, but a sickness or tummy ache or eczema. But how did you know that? It could actually help, deeper things. Because my grandmother used to use it, my mom used to use it when I was little, so I remember being little and having, being upset about something or crying and my grandmother running to the cupboard and finding some remedy and giving it to me and instantly feeling better. So I knew that it could tackle physical things, but it could also tackle emotional and I guess mental things or behaviors, let's say. Because, we, I've used them before. My grandmother had used them before. So what would tell us about, actually, you said I was quite involved from the start tell us what you mean by that. So very involved in everything we, because when we left the hospital, I was basically scared by all the doctors. They told me his condition was. So it was basically a miracle that he survived. He had a lot of complications. Usually the lungs is what takes longer to develop for a preemie. So they told me to be very aware of anybody sick around him because if he ca, if he caught a cold or a flu, he could go right back to the hospital. When we left, I was seeing, I think two or three specialists every week. So we had follow-ups. I had to quit my job be because it was my entire life became him, basically. Do you mean by specialist, do you mean like normal specialists in the hospital? Is that what you mean? Like cardiologist, neurologist ophthalmologist, then therapist. So every single milestone, every single thing that a baby is supposed to do or a child's supposed to do, I was very aware that he wasn't meeting them because I was involved in that. I was being told that every day, every week.'cause we were seeing all these doctors. Then eventually he, the medical side of him being a preemie he started, because. We were lucky enough that he's very healthy when it comes to physical. Like he, when I met you guys, he was running noses constantly. But other than that, there were no other complications when it came to his heart was okay and his lungs were okay, everything else was okay. But I started working with therapists when he was about two months old. So I, he and he, we were going to therapy three times a week. What were they, what kind of things were they doing? Physical therapy, because he was very, he had low tone in his muscles, so he couldn't really, I remember we were working so hard to get him to sit up by the time he was I think he started to sit up by the time he was eight months old. And that's considered late.'cause usually a kid will sit up at five or six months. I remember working for months with him on therapy to get him to sit up and doing exercises at home to get him to sit up or even tummy time. He would struggle with tummy time. He didn't have the muscles to put his head up. And that is, that was also part of him being in the NICU and basically, his growth finished inside the incubator. So he wasn't, he didn't develop normally. What else he would do? He was doing occupational therapy, which, worked on well when they're babies they usually do like, little toys and games and things, and he wouldn't really respond to. Much of what the therapist was doing, but he would, at least try and speech. We started to notice speech was also an issue. He would babble a lot and make a lot of sounds, but nothing recognizable. So we started speech therapy. Oh, and also feeding was also an issue because usually when a baby is I think the norm is what, six months you should try solids. We put him on solids at four months. Because he had really terrible reflux when he was a baby. And I noticed that he had a hard time even with the solids. Everything needed to be very pureed and very liquidy for him to be able to eat. So he started speech to help with also like the movement of his jaw and the mouth and how to move certain things and they would do like chewing devices and things like that. And yeah, it's been a long journey. You're making me remember all this. Yeah. Yeah. So it, it is, it is a lot. How did you not become overwhelmed by all the things that you felt you had to address? How, yeah, how did you deal with that mentally and emotionally? Because I think this is a key part of the whole case, which I think we'll keep coming back to, is your attitude the whole time. How did you deal with that so early on? Well. So, I'm not gonna lie, I, I did get overwhelmed and it did affect me in many, many, many ways. I remember the hospital experience was kind of like a fog, but I remember being so overwhelmed because I didn't know anybody or any, anybody that had gone through the same thing. So I was sit in the hospital room and just look at all the cables and machines and I, anybody that walked in, nurse doctor, I would just ask questions. And be like, what is that? What are you giving him? What is that noise? Why is that beeping? What is that number? By the time we were leaving, the nurses were joking around saying that I could become a nurse myself because I knew everything that was going on and that they were doing to him. And the other thing is that were they nice to you? Were they nice to you? Because some people feel awkward, don't they asking questions, right? So were they nice and supportive to you? You, you. The majority of people were, the majority of nurses were, a lot of the nurses took care of him, like they were, they became family. I still have contact with them to this day. Some, you're always gonna find good or not so good people, but what I remember is I will always come in with a smile on my face and I always knew we were going to get out of it somehow. And I've always been a positive person. I just. I stuck to that even in the moments where it was really hard. I said, okay, fake it till you make it. Let's just be positive and just keep going. And it became more overwhelming after we left the hospital because now it's all up to me and I had to like, take care of him and do everything by myself. But I had a great support system of my husband, knew my husband he was very involved as well with me and. How it affected me is it created a lot of anxiety. Mm-hmm. And things that, anxiety that I had to work through on my own for, all these years since he's been born. Mm. It's better now than it was before, I guess. As, as they grow, you start, getting your rhythm and you start understanding what your place is in all of this. But yeah, I would say. My support system sticking, my, my relationship with my husband became even stronger after we went through all of that and even now. And just being positive in general, even though it's been hard. We have hard days. That's another thing that so many of the children that I've got, the toughest cases, the mothers. The ones that are winning and winning every time we see them. The mothers are so positive. I, I really believe that it's that vibe, the what the mother brings into the home colors, everything. And that's something you can't buy or, you can't outsource. You can't. That's something that has to come from within. Do you have any advice for mothers that might be listening, going, oh, but I just feel. I just can't do it. Or I feel depressed or anxious every day, or I dunno what to do. Do you have any advice of, it's tricky, I know because you said you've always been a, you've always been a positive person, but yeah, it's this one small thing that you could advise moms to do Well. I was, it's hard because it's difficult to be in that situation and be in those days where things just look really bad and tell yourself it's okay. It's gonna be it'll be over one day or it'll be better one day. But. I just tried to focus, I remember leaving doctor's offices and they would say, all these things that he wasn't doing, or going to the meetings with therapist and saying all these things that he wasn't doing. And I would go in my car and sit down and put him in, in the backseat. And I would say, well, yeah, but there's a lot of things that he is doing. There's a lot of things that he wasn't doing two months ago that now he's doing. Yeah. That's also, so I'm trying to focus on the positive instead of what I don't have or what I do have, and that's also one of the things that I loved about meeting with Siobhan is that she would focus on that. Yes. And so when we would meet. I will come to her maybe in like a day that wasn't so good. And he would tell me and she would tell me, well, three months ago we saw you when you were saying that the headbanging was at a 10 and now it's at a nine. Yeah, exactly. And I would go, that's true. So I needed those reminders along the way to remember that he was doing so much and he is doing so much and all the amazing things. Like he continues to surprise me even now. Yeah. That's re Yeah. I'm so glad you've brought that up. So one of the things that I make a point of. And most of my calls, I'll say, okay, I can see that. They wanna tell me, oh, please fix this, this, this. And I all say, okay, but first tell me what went well. Mm-hmm. Because there will be, even in the worst case, there will be something that has gone well or improved because mothers are so fixated on the speech is always the number one thing, and. It's either gonna come or it's not gonna come, but everything else is gonna come by working with us. So I'll I'll ask them Yeah. What went right first, and that's a really key thing of working with a practitioner, is someone that can ask you about every single symptom you've said,'cause you've come for understanding and speech. But we are monitoring. The runny nose and the itchy feet and the not w waking up with energy or gonna bed on time. All those things mean something to us because we are piecing, we're piecing, we are looking at the chart and trying to piece all. All the bits together as one, but many mothers come to us. Well, the speech and the speech isn't there, so, maybe we're not gonna book in again or, I'm gonna try something else and I'll just keep hopping from person to person. But to have any therapist that one therapist you're working with who can keep reminding you. Oh, so that's gone now. Great. So we've crossed off three symptoms today. This, this session, but, the speech isn't quite there yet. Or, or even, okay. The speech isn't there, but are they trying to make, are they trying to communicate or are they looking at you now? Or You can see, like, I have children, I can see they are trying to say something and I think in their head they, they are saying something, but it's coming out as a mumbling or something that doesn't make any sense. Mm-hmm. Also, I noticed on your form that when you started with us you'd written down that he was already eating vegetables and fruit. Mm-hmm. And that is not, that's normally a minority. So that minority thing, and you were talking about, he needed therapy for chewing and using his mouth and stuff at the beginning. How did you get him to have such a good diet? Before, before coming to see us. Well, I, I guess I was conscious of,'cause going back to what you were saying is the, we, you do, you're right, we do tend to focus on one thing, oh, he's not speaking, but I always looked at it as a whole. Mm. So. I remember thinking and saying, okay, well if he's not, if he doesn't sleep well, then he's not gonna feel right during the day. If he doesn't eat well, then he's also gonna, he's gonna get cranky in the afternoon. So I always was very conscious of what he was eating and not eating. He also for, we never really offered. A lot of what you will call like the junk foods that kids offer that the kids have. And I remember one day in a birthday party, he was around four years old, I offered birthday cake and he just rejected it. He didn't, so he never really cared much for that. But I remember as a, when he, because he couldn't eat so well. I chew so well, what I would do is I would just make him these, like my mother-in-law calls them these powerful soups and I would just put all kinds of vegetables and proteins in it and just blend them up, and that's what he would have. But even then I, I didn't know a lot back then. I so I was giving him mostly the vegetable soups with like beef or chicken and that type of protein. And his, obviously he was having formula when he was a baby, but that's really all he could eat. It was these smashed up soups with vegetables and things. And I would try giving him fruit for him to, chew and get used to the texture and he would try for the most part. But he loved bananas. So that's like a lot of things were also like, he would just tell, like he would just signal me what he would wanna have and I would offer him, but that was basically why I was just, that was what he could eat with a. Vegetable soups as he got older. And now he's we did change his diet quite a lot because there was a moment where he started eating solid foods and we kind of got comfortable giving him the chicken and the fries when we were at the restaurant. And we were so excited that he could actually eat at a restaurant. That's, that was all he could have. And. I think it was, oh, it's gonna be over two years. I decided to cut out anything that was gluten, any sugar, and any dairy from his diet. So, and we saw huge, huge, huge, huge improvement Also. So he, right now he's basically protein, so everything he eats is protein. So he'll have protein pancakes in the morning and then protein for lunch. And then he'll have he loves apples now. So he'll have an apple and then he'll have, he loves gluten-free pasta. I'll do the gluten-free protein pasta. So I've been very aware of everything he's, or everything he's eat since he was very little. Also, I think maybe because he had severe reflux. So I had to be very careful what I gave him, because then he would have a reaction. And I noticed that the vegetable soups and the protein soups wouldn't give him that reaction. What would what? What would give him a reaction? Dairy would. So if he had a formula that was like a dairy formula, he would, it was really bad. So he. I try. We tried to breastfeed, but he was so, such a preemie that he couldn't really breastfeed. And then he ended up having a reaction to my breast milk when he was about three months old. And my breast milk, for some reason was giving him the reflux too. And it was probably due also to all the things that I went through when I gave birth, mm-hmm. The surgery and all of that. So he was in a, he was in a special formula that, that, that. Had protein, but it didn't have lactose in it. That's where we finally got him stable. So yeah, I guess I just focused on the things that didn't give him my reaction, and I just knew that vegetables were important. Yeah, absolutely. So that's what we did. And for any mother listening to this thinking, oh gosh, I, the thought of going gluten, dairy. Sugar free hard. Even though then they know. They know, oh, I know that I'll do so much for my child, and they just feel they can't even go there. What advice do you have for them to, where would you start? I started slow, so what I did is I looked at the things he liked to eat. For example, he loves pancakes in the morning. So I said, I'm not going to remove that. I'll just modify that. So instead of making regular pancakes,, I found like gluten-free organic pancake mix. Or I would make it at home with like a gluten-free organic flour. And then instead of doing those, the store bought pancake syrup, I got him, I will get him sugar free maple syrup. So that way. He still was eating what he liked, but it was modified, so he didn't really give me a hard time. He gave me more of a hard time with things like. He, like I, I mentioned he loved bananas. He could eat five or six bananas a day. But then I started noticing that he had other things that I think I also mentioned to Siobhan. We started working with a nutritionist and she would tell me, the fact that he CRAs bananas so much is that he probably has a candida infection in his gut. And we tested and then, yeah, it was positive for Canida, but he loves bananas. And I was like, what am I gonna do now? He loves bananas, so one day I just didn't buy them. And when he came home from school, he was running to get the bananas. And I just looked at him and I said, oh, I'm sorry, I forgot to buy the bananas. Like I would try to talk to him like, in a funny way. And he looked at me, he smiled a little bit, but he didn't like that. I said, yeah. And he would ask for the bananas, but I would say I would just say oh, okay, we're not gonna have bananas now, maybe next week. And then one day he just stopped. Stop asking, or I would say, you, I don't have bananas, but you could have an apple because with them you have to give him, you have, you can't he has the type of personality where I can't just say no.. Because if I say no and confront him like that, he doesn't like that. So I have to find a way to work around saying no to things. So yeah, I understand. It's hard. I, and it's very difficult, you know your child and you know how you can yeah. Move or do certain things to make it less. And sometimes, I also I remember, and I still struggle with this sometimes we're afraid of the tantrum, we're afraid of the explosion. We are afraid of him crying and, but I. There's a point where you can't be afraid. You have to just go through it and you have to say no sometimes. And I remember he would cry because he wanted fries, and I would say, no, we have, this is your food. Or we would be at a restaurant and I, I would just let him cry and let him get upset and let him obviously always supporting him, never. But I. I even said this to my husband, I said, we cannot be afraid of the tantrum. We need to let him go through the emotions. We're obviously doing something he doesn't like. We have to let him go through the emotions and eventually it will pass and he will understand and usually that's what happens. He fights us at the beginning with any change. He'll, he will fight us and he will resist it. But we keep pushing a little bit. Gently. And so then he understands, okay, no matter how much I cry, this is what it is now. And he doesn't he doesn't even ask for bananas anymore. So it's. I'm saying this now because I went through it. Yeah. In the moment it's very overwhelming and it's I will get very anxious anytime I needed to do a new, something new or change or give him a supplement or anything like that, it was like, oh my God, how is he going to react? What is he gonna do? But just strong and firm. And I would just do it. And he would always know, for whatever reason, he would know, okay, I'm not gonna mess with my mom with this today. Let's just do what mom is saying. So yeah. That's so brilliant to talk about that because I feel that's quite a taboo subject, but it comes up so often. Yes. In my cases and having chats. Mothers going through this and I tell them about the fact that that it's not always a spectrum issue. That's just the child parenting issue that you're gonna come across. They want something, it's not good for them. You're gonna have a tantrum and you're gonna have to deal with it. And of course, absolutely. There's so much. Compensation that parents do because out of absolute love and all the other emotions that are going around, what's going on. But I like to remind them of that. I deal with parents whose children are 17, 18, early twenties, and they didn't. Do what you're saying. And they always gave into the tantrums. And then it was too late. And then they don't actually leave the house. They can't leave the house because how do you deal with a six foot 20-year-old boy? Who's tantruming because they want something, you can't give it to them and they're lashing out or wanna run off or whatever is gonna be that scene. Mm-hmm. So I'm so glad that. You've brought that up because I think it's a big thing. It's a really key thing to talk about. And there are homeopathic remedies that we give that help with defiance and stubbornness and tantrums and things like that. But it's definitely something that has to be worked in partnership with the parent. So would you find then that there would be a tantrum but it wouldn't. It's, you're not gonna solve it in the first time, are you? They're not. You're not gonna make a change then? Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm happy with that. Oh yeah, yeah. I'm happy with that. Or, you know that the first time is gonna be hard, right? So how many times, talking to somebody's like, oh God, I know I've gotta face it, but I can't. Would you say? Yeah. But if you are consistent and persistent, it would only take maybe two or three or four, four goes, what's your own personal experience of dealing with these difficult, really challenging situations? Yeah. I have so many examples I could give you. I always remember also I was doing a study with you, with one of the remedies and you had posted a video about sleep and how it's so important that a child. Is removed from a screen at least two hours before they go to bed. And I was noticing that he would wake up very restless. He would wake up very he, it's always been a great sleeper because we did sleep training when he was very little. So I, we basically taught him to soothe himself with a teddy or something like that. So he is always been a very independent, good sleeper, but because we worked on it, but I, I remember he would wake up very early in the morning and be very restless and then. Then I noticed that he was grabbing his iPad to look at pictures and look at videos until right about the point that he would go to bed. And I remember looking at your video and saying, we have to remove the screen. And I was, oh my God, this is gonna be very difficult because he was so attached to the screen. Like, all kids are right? Yes. All this is so not a spectrum issue, right? No. All the kids, because we have an older child, he's not on the spectrum. He was also attached to the screen. Yes. All of the kids and adults on the phone, right? Same. Same. Same. So I, I remember one day I said, I don't know, I don't know how these things come up. Come up to me. But I remember I told him, I said, you know what, you are gonna it was after dinner. He was already, we have our little routine, we bathe dinner, and I said, you can watch your iPad, but I'm gonna put a timer for 20 minutes. When the 20 minutes are up, you're gonna have to give me the iPad and go to bed. He, the first with him is funny because the first day that I implement something, he'll go along with it. Maybe he thinks I'm playing, but then the second day is I dunno, we're not doing this again. So we did that. I would just put a timer on my phone, 20 minutes, and when the timer will go off, I will just very gently, lovingly say, okay, I put, time is done. We have to go to bed. That first week was very challenging. He would cry every time we took the iPad away. He didn't wanna, he didn't wanna give it, or the word timer became a trigger. Whenever I would say timer, he would get upset and start whining and crying. Wow. Eventually. Even now when I say, okay, that's fine. You can cry. I would say, you can cry, you can be upset. I'm, I will be upset too, but I'm still gonna put the timer. And when the timer's done, you still have, you go to bed Now when I, one day he just, when I set the word, okay, I'm gonna, mommy's gonna put the timer for the iPad. He just grabbed the iPad, turned it off, put it on the table and left. Wow. Sorry. So me and my husband were sitting down. We said, okay, what was that? He has a way of doing that. He would click and just do things. Sorry about that. The next thing I remember, he became, sorry about that. He became very oh no, my voice he would love for me to feed him. So I will have to sit on a table. And eat with him and I'll have to feed him. Yeah. From the spoon. I was working with his therapist and his therapist was telling me that at school he doesn't do that, he would eat independently. Ah. So I think for him it was kind of like a comfort thing. Like I get mommy all to myself at night when it's time to eat. So one day I just put his foot down. I put his food down on the table. I laid it all out with his little spoon, his napkin and everything, and I said, today, we're gonna sit down and you're gonna eat by yourself. Yeah. That day he cried. He did not eat. The next day I did the same thing. I said, mommy's not feeding you anymore. You're a big kid. Now you can do this because you can do it at school, so I'm gonna sit down the table. I can sit next to you while you eat, but I'm not gonna hand you the food anymore. I think it took us. It was, again, another week of just fighting and resisting and crying. But eventually he just got it. He would just start doing it. So it's, sometimes it's a matter of we have to get out of our comfort zone, because I could have kept feeding him every night, but I remember thinking, why do I have to do this? He's already five, he's already six. I don't have to, this is not a spectrum thing. I know he's, he can, he's able to do it. But I just didn't wanna deal with the tan and I put it off until one day I said, I'm just gonna have to deal with it. And yeah, he cried. He would, like every kid cry, scream, but eventually they understand that it's mom is putting her foot down and there's nothing else to, yeah. Amazing. So it's not like you were, it's not like the child is in pain or they're not able to do the things that you are requesting. You know that he's capable of doing these things that you request and then he meets this massive milestone. It's such a big thing that you accomp accomplish at the end of it, right? It's independence, which is what, to me, all the mothers are. Working towards is their child being independent? And again, it's not always a pill, is it? It's not always a medicine that will achieve all the things that, for all of us that we're trying to fix in our children. Sometimes you have to just be smart and think of, yeah. Just being clever about the solutions, isn't it? Yeah. That's so good to talk about. So just to let everybody know. The so he was three when he started, and he's now almost eight. He was working with Shavan consistently throughout that whole time. He's done many prescriptions. He's done many detoxes. So the kind of detoxes that he's done are steroids, antibiotics, labor meds formula, Zantac. They're the kind of things. Some of the detoxes is done. So if you're thinking, oh, you just detox metals, that's a common one. Or vaccines and stuff. It's actually any medicine that may have triggered issues and maybe those issues are still there. What do you think is for all that, because I'm sure you've been doing lots and lots of things. What do you feel homeopathy has brought to his journey? Homeopathy helped tremendously with giving us I think emotional, his emotions, his behaviors. So it was a support for us to be able to work with him through these changes and all these things that we wanted, transitions or milestones that we were working on. Homeopathy. One of the things that I remember that I, it was really scary for me was the head banging. Because he would, as soon as he would get upset, he would just run and throw himself on the floor and just bang his head really bad. When he was very ba when he was a baby, he always had, and even if you run to try to stop it, sometimes you're not fast enough and they end up hurting themselves. So that was one of my, the biggest issues we've had. I. And I remember starting the, one of the first or the second prescription that he, that we started with Shaban and I, I noticed they, they went down. Mm. Still happened, but because there's no magic remedy. But they went down in frequency and how long he would stay upset. So the biggest thing that I would say with homeopathy was helping us give him something to. Regulate his emotions in that moment so that we could, to give us a space to work on whatever we were working on. Mm-hmm. And yeah, I remember also physical things like I would say to Shahan, okay, we're working on being gluten free now, so she would send me a, you guys were sending me a remedy to help him with the Yeah. Or I would notice symptoms. Like he's waking up in the middle of the night at three in the morning for no apparent reason. And you will send us a remedy for his liver or for some type of support. And as soon as the remedy was given, that symptom will be gone. So there were a lot of little things that it helped us with, but I think the most, the biggest one was emotional. The his emotions his behavior, his aggressiveness. He was a lot more aggressive. He was never the type of kid to hit anybody or anything like that, but he would just get really angry. And the anger has subsided, I think a 95% to where we started when he was three to now. And I, a lot, a big part of that I think was the homeopathy. Absolutely. My final question is, what other therapies, what are all the other things that you have done alongside homeopathy that you think have been absolutely worth? Pursuing you might recommend to other mothers to do too. Well, number one, homeopathy is great because it's like I said, it's a support and you can tackle these symptoms that they'll have, but. Another thing was we got in, we found a naturopathic doctor that got us into a, along with the homeopathy that we were already doing. She helped us streamline his diet and also do some testing when it came to, for example, his gut health how was his gut functioning? Any blood tests, anything that he had, that's how we found the Candida infection. But if you go back to the basics, if you, if they have a good structure when it comes to their sleep, if they're eating clean food, good food that is not, junk or anything like that it, everything else just kind of comes. After that. As far as traditional therapies speech, obviously occupational. They're occupational. I like occupational because they focus also on like daily life to help him do daily tasks. Behavior. Like what kind of things, what kind of things do they do Well, like, for example, they'll work on tying his shoes or putting on his pants when he's going to the bathroom, or, find motor skills to be able to write and to draw things like that. There's been debate about behavioral therapy. We did try behavioral therapy for a long time. The thing about behavioral therapy that I did not like was the punishment reward system that they have. So if you do something, you get rewarded, but if you don't do it, you get punished. Like, I'll take something away. He did not respond well to that. He doesn't respond well to that. He's better if you. He, a tactic that I learned from my naturopath doctor was fir if you want him to get, if you want them to do something say first this, then that. So I would say first we eat your your pasta and then you can go play. Or first we do the supplements and the homeopathy. First we take that and then you go, you're whatever. So, and he responds well to that. He likes that because he knows that he has to do something, but then he's expecting to do something he likes after. Great tip, like everybody listening can implement that immediately. Yeah, we use that a lot. Even when he doesn't wanna shower will, because you know how kids are, sometimes he doesn't wanna shower or he doesn't wanna go to sleep or he doesn't wanna, and so we always say. First you shower, then you can play with your toys. We always do that and he loves that. He laughs when we do it'cause he knows that we're trying to get him to do something. But yeah, I will look at the overall, overall the, how they're sleeping, how they're eating, and I, I guess I found this because. When you go the traditional route, the traditional doctors, the pediatricians, the neurologists they never really gave me much options. I remember when he was diagnosed, they would say, oh, okay, you have a diagnosis. This is for life. And I said, okay, what now? And what do I have to do? Do I have to do anything different? And they're like, no, just do therapy. And eventually when they're older, 12, 13 years old, you can do medicine medication. I and I always said, I don't know, something innate me, innate in me. I would say, why? Why? There has to be something else I can do. There has to be other things I could try that are not gonna harm him or that are gonna be so, abrasive as like medication. And that's what made me, start questions, start questioning things and start like looking into other things. Apart from me, knowing homeopathy worked when, since I was little, I knew I could use that on him, but I also knew that there were other things we could do and I'm still learning. Also, I'm still learning as well. So even learning about how God affects the their, their, how their gut affects. Their behavior and how gut, the gut health is linked to autism and how a lot of these kids that have autism have very bad gut issues. They're constipated or they're not eating correctly, or they're eating the worst kinds of things. A theme that you always see is how autistic children don't sleep. They'll wake up at two in the morning and they wanna be awake the rest of the day. And, and. That has to be all related, right? It has to all affect everything. So I would say to a mom that's going through this, look at all of it, and I know it's overwhelming and, and I. I'm not done and I'm not done learning. But as we go through, I can say that I've seen a lot of improvements since we started looking at that way, looking at it that way. So I'm not looking for a magic pill to solve all my problems. I want to make his life, I want to help him make his life as best as I can and heal him as best as I can. So, yeah, that's what I would say. That's great. He is really lucky to have you. Thank you, Carla. It's been so lovely finally meeting you face to face instead of talking about you all the time to wan. So, and so nice that thank you for sharing your son's story and I hope that somebody out there finds this useful and it will impact another child somewhere in the world. So thank you for today. Thank you.