4. Abigail's story: 5 years of healing herself and her son.

This is Abigail's story describing all the things she has learned along the way, in 5 years of healing her son with autism issues. She talks about other therapies, how her own healing impacted her child, and how best to the play the long game.

Josh came to my homeopathic team at 6 years old, because he regressed and lost his speech at 18 months old. He had a whole list of issues to be healed.  This is his story, as a child who has made tremendous gains, some came fast and some came slow and steady. 

At the centre of his recovery is his mother, with her calm and determined demeanour, who has a lot of advice and experience to share with you.

Timestamps:

3.31 Gains on the first prescription

5.23 What she was doing before that first prescription

9.24 Using a homeopathy kit herself for acutes and becoming more confident

13.31 When the parents heal, the child heals. "Your child feeds off of what you're going through."

21.19 "They are paying attention to everything around them."

22.15 "Who's going to take care of my child?"

30.23 What do you say to the mother who is looking for that one thing that's going to do it all?

35.00 "I don't know if this is going to work because he won't take anything by mouth"

38.00 He found changes hard

40.00 One of the things in common, in all the children I work with, who are making the best progress

43.00 Her thoughts on working with Siobhan ( on the team)

Transcript

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Hi everybody. Thank you for choosing to listen to this conversation today. A reminder that I'm a homeopath and I see lots of children on the spectrum and this set of conversations is about trying to help other mothers who are looking for solutions. What are all those things that people don't talk about that you can't bottle and sell and promote or market? What are all those things that help children on the spectrum to heal? So today I'd like to welcome Abigail and her son is Joshua. Let's start, Abigail with, you are working with Shavonne and my team, and you came to us when he was very l we've been working together for about four years. You started with Shavonne. Can you tell everybody how, could you describe Josh when you started working with Shavonne? Josh was around, I wanna say he was around five and a half when we started with Shavonne. And we were really at our wits end of how to help him. We knew he had, he would not sleep through the night. He had chronic constipation meltdowns sensitivity to light, sensitivity sounds very picky. Would not eat anything, would not take any medicine by mouth. Just lots of issues. Lots of very stressful things. Never could really seem to comfort him. No matter what happened. He was constant crying. Like I said, he didn't sleep at night. He would sleep about an hour and then he would wake up and then we would have to get up. So never slept through the night. So I just happened to be scrolling on Facebook one day.'cause we, I was looking, I was, I knew there had to be something that could help him. And your page, Rita popped up. So I done a little research into that. Contacted you for the little five minute discovery call. Decided, wasn't gonna hurt him. There was nothing homie off. He wasn't gonna hurt him, so we would give it a try. So we started with Siobhan when he was like, I think it was either five or five and a half. And just from the very first prescription that we worked with, we seen dramatic changes from the very first one. Granted, not all of them progress that quickly. It's, we had some very very impressive changes. But then we also, about a year into it stalled out a little bit. We didn't see a lot of changes for a while. Not as much or as fast as we did in the beginning. But nonetheless we kept going with it, I think altogether. And we still contact Chevon off and on, but altogether, I think we done it about three years, I think straight working with you guys on, on different things. But it really all happened by chance, how we found y'all. And I can't even imagine where we would be if we had not come across you guys. I have a list of his gains from the first meeting. It doesn't always happen this way. So it can be that there's slow and steady gains or Then you have one of the prescriptions that's like fireworks. And sometimes you have fireworks in the very first prescription, which just goes to show the potential that is there. So this is the list after his first consult. So he started to watch other children and more aware of what's going on. He seems more aware and paying attention in general, more forthcoming with saying things, will comment on what he sees, seems more aware and putting experiences together. He's homeschooled. Couldn't get him to write. He used to meltdown, but now he's writing without a meltdown. He'll hold a pencil without issue and write. He'll sit for a stretch of time and work. Then he takes a break and comes back to it. Now he's understanding more what's said to him and following directions. He has started to use more sentences and phrases saying multiple things daily. Like he said the other day. There goes a butterfly instead of parents pointing it out to him and encouraging him to speak. He's drinking more water, eating new foods, more curious about food. Constipation has resolved, sleep patterns improved and not waking as often. Now that is pretty. Mega impressive for an eight week prescription. And it's not the only one. We do see other children like that. But then you it's good to be honest. And it wasn't, they weren't always as amazingly so abundant like that. That's right. What were you doing before, what were you doing before that prescription? What other therapies and what had you tried, what worked and what didn't work so well for you? Really I had looked into the therapies that are offered here in the United States, which is a, b, a and ot, occupational therapy, speech therapy. But I never felt like. That was something that would benefit him because all that is repetitively doing the same thing. And that would make me frustrated if I had to do the same thing over and over, until they get it. And it is, it's not that he can't get it or couldn't get it, there was some sort of block there that,'cause he's super intelligent, he just, there's a block between the brain and the mouth. There's a connection there that was blocked. And I, because the things that he would come out and say when we didn't prompt him was, amazing. We didn't even know he knew that.'cause he never, he never spoke. The, we never really sought any kind of therapies'cause I didn't feel like that was the right way for us to go. Now granted, that's just our opinion and I'm not discrediting any of those therapies. But they just weren't right for us. We did chiropractic adjustments. And that really helped with a couple of different things with the chronic constipation. It did help. That also helped with, he has chronic migraines and it helped with that as well. People wouldn't think of that for constipation, would you think chiropractor, adult with a back ache? In fact, here in Wales, in the uk? I don't hear ma any, actually, I don't know. I've never heard of another child. Personally going to a Cairo, a few of my clients do. It's not a big thing. When I went to Europe there's the chiropractors have got big things in their windows advertising for children. But yeah, that this I'm glad that you've brought that up to to normalize that for more people. So a lot of people don't understand, and I've done a lot of research on that too is, when the babies are born either through c-section or naturally they go through so much stress coming through the birth canal that it can get them off balance. So really early chiropractic care can help just the, especially the nervous system in the child can help them to regulate. And I didn't know all of that. I done a lot of research on different things and. We had a local chiropractor that was really good with children and so we've used him from the beginning. But I can tell a lots of things that have improved. And like I said, and that's different with everybody too. It's not a one size fits all. It's like homeopathy. It's, there's a lot of moving parts and you just have to try different things and see what works. Another thing that Shavonne said is that you prescribed for your friends and you've learned a lot working. So tell us about that, because that's, this is a therapy that has spiraled out, hasn't it? Definitely. So I became so intrigued and what intrigued me the most about homeopathy is. That there's not a one size fits all. When you go to a a general primary doctor they give you the same thing no matter what your symptoms are. And I was so intrigued with homeopathy, how just in my family, if we all came down with something, I may have this symptom, but my husband doesn't have that symptom. And then a two totally different remedies, one remedy would fit him and one remedy would fit me. And just the fact that it is so tailored or personalized to each situation and to each person really amazed me. So I did a lot of, I did a lot of reading, I read a lot of books and I would email Siobhan questions. I'd be like, Hey, what do you think about this? And she would email me back and things, I probably drove her crazy. But anyway, because I there for a while, I emailed her, I was texting her quite often and I knew she was busy, but I was like, I have to know more. I have to know more about how this works. And I actually took a little, like a taster course in homeopathy. I want to go back and get my, do my whole four years. But situations changed. But that's my goal is to finish that.'cause I'm really I'm really amazed by and what all that it can do. So yeah. When it heals your child, then. It's more than a light bulb going on. That's how I came into it because my youngest nobody could help him with any of his issues. And yeah, that's, and that's how I got into it then. It's it's more than a job. So do, did you start with, for people that may not be doing acutes, so do you use a kit, you use a home kit or did you go and buy remedies? And can you explain to people the difference between an acute and a chronic when you have to go to a homeopath? An acute is for colds or flus, stomach bugs. Matter of fact, we had a Bing the other day. Josh got bit by a b, was trying to mess with the bee and got stung. Of course I run to my kit. I do have a kit. Some people think I'm crazy, but I have a kit in every vehicle. I have a kit here, and I have a kit in my travel bag. So I never go anywhere without my kit. And I use the one from Ainsworth. The green kit is the one that I'm most familiar with. But so in acute situations, colds, flus, stomach bugs, cuts, sprains, things like that. Now when we have more chronic issues, like kind of Josh's situation where it took multiple remedies and using those remedies together and knowing which one is complimentary and which one's not, and acute wise, I don't. You don't know.'cause the chronic is different. It's more of a, it's a deeper issue. It's a more, a long-term issue that won't resolve very quickly. An acute will generally resolve in a few days. A chronic does not resolve in a few days. So that's where the expertise of you and Siobhan really helped with the chronic issues that we had. And like I said, we didn't just use this for junior. We started, or we call him Junior for Josh. We started Josh off first. And the more that I talked to you and Shavonne and understood that me and him were so closely connected, that kind of what I was going through, he picked up on. Any kind of emotions that I had or any kind of, any kind of issues that I had, like I had really big a guilt issue because I felt like I didn't do enough research in the beginning and he was the way he was because I didn't do enough research and I held tremendous guilt about that. So I was able to work with Shavonne to get me past that, to know that I did the best I could do at the time, and now I know better, so I have to do better. And that helped me. Working with Shavonne helped me to get to that place where I can get past what I was dealing with to be able to help Josh in any way that I could. And the same thing with my husband. He also worked with Shavonne and we had a lot of differing circumstances at the time. We had a job that we moved halfway across the country for and it failed. So that brought a lot of issues with him and I'cause it, it was a very stressful, and Junior was about, or Josh was about three when we went through all of that. So it was a little bit before we came into work with you guys, but just knowing that we're all connected, and a lot of people don't understand that, but your child feeds off of what you're going through. Even though you think they don't know what you're going through, they feed off of that tension or guilt or resentment or whatever. So you, the parents have to heal as well as the child. And once you start, once I started working sh with Siobhan, other things with Junior that I didn't think would move or would heal, healed. And so it, there is a connection. It's not just a, oh we're gonna work on Josh. You need to work on, especially the mothers'cause they're so closely connected with the child. And that's something that I learned through you guys that I didn't really understand. But it's so very real that mothers need to understand that, that they're, it affects what you're going through, affects your child. Whether you think they don't, they know or they don't. Yeah. I say this a lot. I say in my newsletters, I say on my posts, I say that when the mother heals, the child heals. And I'm always what's the word? I'm so wary that, ask, I'm asking people to reflect on themselves and then also book in with our team or book in another homeopath. And think, oh, is that I think, oh, it sounds like, oh, I'm just going to try and get more clients, even though I haven't got the room to see them. But I dunno how else to convey that. And so I really love it when a mother has gone through that and it's almost like you can't really describe what a room looks like until you've gone into that room. That's right. So you might know it or, mother's got, I haven't got time, or I feel bad they also feel bad if they try, they get treatment and their child isn't well, or perhaps they predict that they'll be better, but the child won't. And that'll be an awful thing. And it's very difficult for me to explain that. Your anxiety. I can see when a mother's anxious they need to recognize that now yet you, you are anxious. There's always, there's so much guilt. There's so much guilt in these type of cases. And that, like you said, children pick up'cause they pick up on your tone of voice. They pick up on your your mannerisms and your body language and they're listening even though they're nonverbal. I'm absolutely convinced that they can understand far more than they appear to or give the impression to. So if you are having an argument, say with your husband in another room, they can hear that and feel it. And. I, tell me what you think on this. I think that especially long verbal children, they wanna fix their parents. There's a problem. They feel they wanna make their mom feel better. Like even if you hurt yourself like I fell over, I hurt myself the other day, and my kid will come over and give me a hug, or, oh mommy, you are right. They feel that and they dunno what to do. Tell me your thoughts on that part of it. Yes, so like I said previously, these kids, although they're nonverbal, especially with Junior and Jo or Josh we, you think that they don't know what's going on. They 100% know what's going on. It's in there. And how frustrating is it? That it's in there and they can't get it out, the things that we have seen that we didn't know he knew when we started with homeopathy, because he was nonverbal. He would repeat occasionally. He would repeat something, but then you could never get him to say it again. It would be weeks or months before he would say it again. But when we started with homeopathy, we were walking around in a store and he was reading words off of the shirts, the clothing in the store. And when I came home, I got a very easy book. He read the whole book, gosh. From nothing. From nothing at all. From nothing. But he wouldn't speak, he wouldn't have conversation. But he could read the book. Yeah. But even non-verbally, he could tell if I was sad or crying or, having a bad day or if I was anxious, that was one of the reasons why I started working with Sivan, was because I had so much debilitating anxiety that I literally could not go anywhere with him, by myself. I could not even drive to the next town over 10 minutes away without having an anxiety attack. And why was that? What, what was going on? I really honestly don't know Rita. I think it was just because he was like he never slept. And I never slept. And I tell people all the time, if your child sleeps, you can do anything. If you get sleep, you can handle anything. But when you don't get sleep, every little thing is an issue. It a mountain you have to climb. And he would, he was inconsolable. So literally when we put him in the car, he would scream from the time we left the house until we got wherever we was then he was so worked up, he couldn't calm him down. So we couldn't, we even got to the point where couldn't even go to the grocery store. Like I had to leave him at home and I had to go to the grocery store. We couldn't go out to eat, we couldn't go anywhere. We couldn't visit family. But I think I was had so much anxiety that. Actually made his, his issues worse because he felt it from me. And then he didn't know how to process that, so it just made him anxious or upset or nervous or whatever it was. But I definitely can see looking back now, that what I was going through definitely impacted him because that he could feel it and he didn't want me to be that way, but he couldn't regulate because I wasn't regulated. If and that's probably one of the biggest things that I've learned is that these kids are not less, they're different. And it doesn't mean just because they can't say it, don't mean that they don't know it. It's in there, but they just can't get it out. And they definitely pay attention to what is going on, even though they may, you may think they're not, they're paying attention to everything that goes on around them. And I didn't really believe that when we started with you guys. I really wasn't sure what our future looked like. This, like I said, we was really grasping for straws when we started on how to help him because at four and a half and five, I was thinking, I can never pass away. Who's gonna take care of my child?'Cause if something happens to me, nobody's gonna take care of him. Like I take care of him. And, and that's a hard thing to weigh on parents is, you have to live forever because he can't take care of himself. He can't talk, he can't do anything on his own. So that's where a lot of anxiety and guilt comes into. But what parents need to understand is it doesn't have to be that way. There are things that can help, even though it may be non-traditional things, that you think that, that can't have any effect, that can't help. If it's not gonna hurt, try it. You may be surprised. We've been surprised all along the way, especially with homeopathy, just how it's helped all of us, not just Josh, but all of us. Once you see how it's all connected and like you mentioned a while ago about the mother might feel guilt if she heals and then her child's not. But what if you heal what's going on with you and then that unlocks a different layer in your child. Exactly. Because if your anxiety rubs off on them in a negative way, your positivity has to rub off on them in a positive way. Even in the most basic example of you get up, you feel great, you know you're energized. Everyone in the house gonna have good day, your mom is having a good day. It just ripples out. It's just a vibe. Exactly. It's so lovely. And the things that you brought up there about your fears of what happens. As you get older, when I ran a group I've run it a few times, a group just for mothers, like a mother support group. And then the child, if they were working with me, may have a break and taking remedies and the mother would take it for about six weeks to eight weeks. And we talk about things as in, in a group of, worries and anxieties that are specific to people in your circumstance. And that came up a lot. And it's something, it's almost so sad, is almost so sad and awful and full of grief that we can't talk about that. And then how do you heal something that. Can't be spoken about and is too painful even to even think about it or go near that door. And what people may not realize is that homeopathy heals emotions. It can heal grief, it can heal anger. All these things that doctors can't give you a pill and make it go away. They can suppress it with anti-anxiety meds and meds for depression. But when you come up those meds, the problems are still there. Your feelings are still there. But homeopathy can, it's almost like putting, how can you put, sprinkle something on and that thing disappears. That's right. I experienced something, I was having some intense emotions and I took a remedy to match that emotion. And I woke up the next day and I thought, it feels like it has dissolved now. Where has it gone? I haven't had any new thoughts. Since wake, since from the day before. That's right. But you think, God, this stuff is so magical. So what do you think are the positive, what did you see was the positive effects of you and your husband also going through a patch of treatment? Like I said we both had some pretty intense anxiety. We also had the business feature that he went on, the partner that he was with actually fled the country with the money. So we came home with nothing. So I had to start all over again in our personal lives. So we had a lot of unknowns, a lot of fear, a lot of anger a lot of anxiety about what does the future hold? All along with Josh, who we don't know what his future holds because he was nonverbal, he was not potty trained had all these issues. He didn't sleep, all these things. So when we really started working with Shavonne, we were a, it was just like you described it, would, you would go to bed with these issues, these feelings, this weight, and you would one day wake up. In some part of that prescription that you was on and it was gone and it did, and we did have a couple of times where it would like relapse and come back, but it wasn't as great as it was when we started. And then we would go through another set of remedies that matched.'cause it changed. It's every, it's changing. Life is changing. It never stays the same. So whatever the circumstances was, we would get a new set of remedies and it would go away. And the anxiety we very rarely have anxiety now. And if we do, we find the remedy that matches what we're going through and we take it and in a couple of days it's usually resolved. And both him and I had tried anxiety meds, prescription meds. They did nothing. They didn't, they just made you feel blah. You couldn't really function and they didn't do anything for the anxiety. So we took, we tried the homeopathy and it's like I said, if we have any issues we just go back, match what remedy we need and take that and it usually, and within a couple of days it's gone. But going through, those prescriptions as a family, I really think helped junior move faster through progression. Like I said, it wasn't always, the first prescription was huge. We did have several during those two and a half, three years that we may only see one change. But it was in my thinking, if it was a change, we were progressing, whether it was slow or fast. If he made an improvement, it was an improvement because at our beginning point, we didn't know what our future looked like. Now. He's still not where normal, they would say he's normal, but what is normal? Everybody's different. But he can he writes all the time. He, and he writes a lot of things from memory that you don't, I don't know how he does it. He is going to a part-time school right now for special needs kids, and he's doing very well on that. So the things that we are seeing now, and he is, it's been seven years, eight years since we started with you guys, seven years. But it is taken time to do that and it's, he still has a long way to go, but he can do it. And I, our future now compared to our future when we started is two totally different things. What do you say to people that are constantly looking for that one supplement that's gonna do it all, or that one thing that is going to bring back speech in a week or a couple of weeks and, that versus what's your attitude towards, what's your attitude towards the long road. The long game. So there is no one size fits all. There is no magic pill. There is no, it's hard. It's all hard. But I don't give up and my child's depending on me to fight for him because he can't fight for himself. Is it easy? No, it's not easy. Every day's hard. Especially those early days. Early days were really hard and they were really dark. But it does get better and, I don't know what he'll do in his lifetime. I don't know if he'll get married. If he'll have a family, if he'll have a job. But I'm not gonna put a limit on that because I know if he wants to do it, he can do it. I, we just have to be there to support him and show him and guide him. And you have to fight for'em. You have to fight for them. And it's hard and it's stressful. And some days you think, is it in what I'm doing? Is it helping? And then two days later you'll have a huge breakthrough okay, I can keep going. So just don't, I would say, don't put a limit on your child. Other people will tell you he's never gonna do this. I had a lot of people tell me he is never gonna be potty trained. He's never gonna talk, he's never gonna write. All the nevers, and we have crushed every one of those who were those people? Were they family or professionals? Both. Oh, both. In the beginning we kinda knew from around 12 months, 12 to 18 months that something wasn't quite right. Which is actually the same amount of time for I'd say 90% of my patients on the spectrum. A lot of our family members just, kind of gas lit us about, oh, it's just your first one and all kids are like that. All kids cry. And I'm like, no. They don't cry like this. They don't cry if they're awake. He was crying, literally. There was very few times during the day where he was not crying. And if you've ever had kids, you know that you can only handle so much of that crying before you about lose your mind. It just wasn't the same. And then to have our family tell us you're just making more out of it then. No, I'm not. I'm not. And then you try to take'em to professionals and say, Hey, something's wrong. This is not normal. And then they'll tell you like, we were told, oh, he's just a cry baby. I'm like, no, he's not. Something's wrong for him to be crying like that. But we was, we was gas lit both ways by family and professionals. So that's when I started doing research. I'm like, you know what? There has to be something out there that can help him. There has to be, and we tried different vitamins and supplements, but like I said, it was hard because you can't get anything that's non-flavored that does anything. And that's what's so great about homeopathy is, it has no taste. And we pick, we literally, the only thing he would drink when we first started with Shavonne, and he's still very picky. We're still working on that is still a work in progress. Even seven years later the only thing he would drink was sweet tea or chocolate milk. So we, I literally put his remedies in a little bit of tea. And gave and made sure it was dissolved and I gave it to him. That's how we give him the remedies until we worked with it to where he would drink water and then we would put it in the water and give it to him. And that's what's so great about it, is it's literally you can give it to anybody and there is no taste, there is none. You can put it in water and when it completely dissolves, there is no taste. That was one of the things that, that was on the discovery call. I told you, Rita, I was like, I just don't know if this is gonna work because he literally won't take anything by mouth. If it has a different texture, if it changes the flavor, he will not take it. So what can I do? And you told me, you're like, this, you can put it in his whatever he's drinking and it will work. And I was skeptical. I was like what do I have to lose? I don't have anything to lose and it's not gonna hurt him. There are no side effects from it. So we tried it and he never tasted it, never knew he was even taking anything. That's something huge because there's so many kids like this that they won't take anything by math. They won't drink anything different. They won't try anything different. So it is, you have nothing to lose. Try it. Yeah. My last question is there anything that. Has really helped his progress. Apart from the homeopathy and you also seeking treatment, the a BA wasn't for you, what other things are the things that on your journey think? Yeah these have been really key in his development? I homeschooled him until last September. Last September. He started in a special needs school that started up here locally. And I mean we just, I really don't know. I worked with him every day on something and being consistent.'Cause we really haven't tried anything else. But we did homeopathy, we did chiropractic, we tried to take him places, although in the beginning that was hard. But now he loves to travel. Like he's he's like, when I bring the suitcase out, he's ready to go. Like, where mama? Where are we going? But being consistent and just working on something with him every day and being impatient and know that they get frustrated just like we do. And they have bad days just like we do. But you can't expect them to be 100% happy all the time. We're not 100% happy all the time, but meet them where they are. Don't expect something that you want to happen down the road for today because you're not there yet, but work where you are today and they will get there. But I think. Making sure that they know, that you believe that they can do whatever they put their mind to do. Because if you don't believe they can do it, then how can they believe they can do it? So just being consistent and working on small things and really pushing them but not pushing them too hard. Because June, one of the things for Josh was he was very rigid in his schedule. So it, everything had to be done in an exact way, in an exact time, in an exact order. And we started branching out and not being as rigid with his schedule. No, it was not fun in the beginning. But he adapted to that and they can adapt to a lot of different things, but there's gonna be some hard times in there and you gotta understand it's difficult for them. Just like anything new for us is difficult. It's a change. But I would, we really, additional things we haven't really done. We've just been there and we've been consistent and we have made sure that he understands what we, I know you can do this. You can do anything you put your mind to. I believe in you. I believe you can this and that has helped a lot too.'cause that, like I said, it is. Back to the connection thing is they know more than they let on or that you think they know. And that goes with anybody. If you think somebody. Doesn't believe in you, that's gonna affect your self-esteem and your self-confidence. Really pour into them that they're capable and that you believe they're capable and that, they can do things and it really makes a difference. And, you don't, I didn't think about those things in the beginning, but now looking back I can definitely see when we really, encouraged him to do new things and tried. And like I said, we're still trying with the food. He is just tried his first piece of chicken this week and we've been working on trying new foods for seven years. So don't give up, keep going, keep trying, keep offering, keep pushing, keep encouraging them. I mean they, what they can do will blow your mind if you don't give up. That's brilliant. I'm gonna end just picking up two, the two things that you said. Tell them they are capable. There's another thing that the children that are doing the very best in the clinic have got in common and their mothers are so positive. Even it, it's all about, it's all about the little gains and one after the other and building and not often the big fireworks. It's the it's just building a slower pace. But see yeah, look, they did this little thing and they've done this and this compared to my child's not talking. But are they babbling more? Are they saying you sounds, are they making attempts? Did they say one word? Yeah. It is. It's very, some parents find it very difficult and be very black and white. But the ones that are gaining they've got a lot of positivity in the house. And just to keep reinforcing, like all of us, like all of us as humans, we all wanna retold that you're doing great. Keep going. Look what you did today. Or if there isn't, again, I say to some of the mothers who look really tricky cases, say, make a diary and if there is no gain that day, say, note something like, he's not constipate enough for seven days, not constipate for eight days. It doesn't always have to be something new, does it? Yes. It's like looking at it a different way. Yes. And the other thing I wanna pick up on the fi final thing is consistency. Consistency. And when they don't. If when they're not eating that you keep trying because at one day we don't know what that day's gonna be. There is gonna be no warning that they're gonna eat the chicken that you've given to him so many times and there'll be something in the prescription that has clicks. One thing to place another thing, and then that is the thing. Click today, they'll just eat the chicken. We don't know what that'll be. So that consistency and consistency with the prescriptions, whoever the therapist and the therapy is that you are seeing. That's the other thing that they've all got in common is that they've all come and it doesn't have to be like, we haven't seen you every two months for those years, but so we'd seen you for six months to eight months then okay, he's doing all right. Surf ride that wave. Then, okay, we need to come back for a bit, but consistency, taking the remedies, because it's your feedback that tells us what paths to take, right?'cause there are thousands and thousands of remedies for us to choose from. So it's okay, that worked, that got better. Okay, we're gonna follow that path. But if you don't come back for six months, you've totally forgotten the games. You've totally forgotten what did that, you've just forgotten everything and there's nothing to feed back. So it's a call and response type of therapy where you and I or you and Shavonne were working as a team. Do you wanna just, we'll just end on that. Tell everybody your thoughts on working as a team with Shavonne to prescribe and then Shavonne will discuss the case with me. We actually, there's three of us. There's three of us working on his case here. Yeah, what's your final thoughts on that? Shavan, when I first, when I'd done the consult with you the welcome you told me, go on my website and read all the bios of all the homeopaths, the one. And I have worked with mainly Shavonne, but I have, done acutes with several on, several different ones. And they're all amazing, every one of'em. But I picked Shavonne because she had boys, she had three boys. And something about that clue with me, I was like, okay, so she's got three boys, so she's gonna understand, what I'm going through with the boys. I'll get, I'll answer your question. I'm gonna go through it through a long, drawn out thing. So the first, the very first call we had with Shavonne, I was absolutely speechless and my husband still tells people to this day. She described Josh to a t She had never seen him. She had read our intake file and she said, okay, so based on what you're telling me on your intake he is very hot natured. He doesn't, he doesn't like to wear clothes. All these things. And I was sitting back going, how do you know that I've not, I have not told you anything about him yet. And you described him to a T And she's but this is his. This is what Remedy is fitting him. And I think his initial remedy was like Cal Carb or something like that. So of course when I got off the call, I looked up Cal Carb and I'm like, this is amazing. It described down to the emotional, emotional symptoms. So when we worked with her more and more, it's just amazing the insight that she had. And then she would take, like you said, she would take what our discussion was and then she meets with you and then y'all come up with what is best for him at that point. But it is just amazing and phenomenal to work with Siobhan and to work with you and. And she's she pumped so much positivity and she never made me feel like what I was doing was wrong or if I made a mistake or if I didn't, if she told me you might wanna work on this, and I just simply didn't have enough brain power that prescription to do it. She's that's okay. You've done this step. No, we're gonna work on this next. And it was always a positive reinforcement that she gave every time. And even when she would speak with you, you would even email me back some positive, Hey, we're glad we're seeing this. This is where we're going from here. Not every time, but when, because I know you're busy, but on certain things, you would email me and say, Siobhan's told me this. This is great news. This is where we're going from here. So each time meeting with Shavonne, it was always refreshing to speak with her because it was always interesting to see, okay, where are we going from here? What do you think? And, it was always this is great. Every and every little progress was huge. Was a huge win in her eyes. She's this is great. And I would think, oh, I'm not really seeing anything. And then I would tell her, that, like you mentioned, the diary was a huge help. I wrote down every day for two years. I wrote down, like you said, he wasn't constipated today, or he noticed something that. I didn't point out to him, or and it's in the moment you think those are not big things. They're all big things. They're all big things. All, even the small things are big things because they're an improvement. So she was always good about giving us positive feedback and positive reinforcement. Yes, he may not be talking in full conversation now, but look what he did. Look what he did in these eight weeks. And it gives you the strength and the courage to, to move on.'cause you're not seeing, you're in it every day and you don't see all the positives and you don't see all of the progress that he's making sometimes. But then when you go back and have those calls with Siobhan, you go back and remember, oh yeah, he did do that. That's huge. It, you forget those things, but you're able, she's able to bring it back into a perspective and that way you can move on to the next thing to keep improving. So it is, it's amazing how it all works together. The prescriptions and, and the callbacks and the, the follow ups and all those things. But each one's a vi, a vital piece of the process, every one of them. But like I said all the ladies that I've worked with on your team are great, but there's something, some kind of special connection with Shavonne that we have and that she has with us, and it's really I can't describe it. But I don't think that we could have picked a better person to help us with. Where we were at and where we're going. She's just been a blessing for us. Yeah. That connection is so important. When people say to me, or who do you think I should work with? Unless it's a, unless their request is a specialism of one of the team for let's say asthma for Kate, I said asthma go work with Kate. Or other things that maybe my team might special in specialize in. I always say go and read all the buyers of the team and who resonates with you because you are working together as a team. We ask you, what we do is so dependent on what you tell us and how you feed back to us and the detail you feedback. That's right. And if you don't enjoy working with that person, if you don't feel. You know that it's a bit like a dating app, isn't it? Who do I like the sound of? Isn't it all call? Yeah. Who do you feel some kind of vibe with that has got start there? Because then you already know you're onto a winner somehow. You're on that, you're on a good path, oh, this has been such a great chat, Abigail. I'm so glad to speak to you and oh, it's been really lovely, all things you've shared. And Josh's, long may Josh keep making great gains and it was really nice to see him on camera before we started recording today. That's really sweet. Yes. Okay, so there's more thing I'd like to say there, Rita and I'll be finished, but you had mentioned that you do a special, I think it was like a six week thing for mothers. Yeah. That you do. That changed my life. Oh, did you do that? I did. Oh, I can't remember anyone that did that. It's quite a while back. Okay. Junior was about a year into his program with you guys. And you had offered it. And I tell everybody when I tell'em about homeopathy, if Rita ever offers that, take it, it will change your life. So I'm very thankful that I was able to get into that'cause it really helped me. And I still go back and reference stuff in, in that six weeks thing. So I encourage everybody. If you offer, if Rita offers it, take it. If you're a mother and you're on this journey, take it. It will definitely. Change your perspective, change your life, and help you in ways that you don't think it will. So I'm very thankful that I was able to do that with you. Was amazing. Oh, thank you for sharing. That was called Essential Recovery and I think I did it two or three times. Okay. Maybe you've planted that seed. Maybe I can find the time to do another round. It's just one year and pe people can get in and it's really amazing that, that was really amazing and it's, I hope you continue to do that for other mothers that come in.'cause they'll benefit from that. Okay. I will definitely. You've planted that seed. So let's see how far it's more lit. It's more how fast it grows. Just keep it in the back of your mind. I sure. I promise. I absolutely promise I will. I promise. Oh, thank you, Abigail. It's been a joy. Thank you. And thank you everyone for listening. I.