S06E11: What Changes When Earth Is Your Mother

We talk about how Haudenosaunee ceremonies survived generations of fear, shame, and punishment, and why we decide it is time to share teachings openly without asking anyone to become Mohawk. We connect creation stories, matrilineal leadership, and the Thanksgiving Address to a clear environmental message: renew a living relationship with Mother Earth before we lose what keeps our children alive. 

Themes

• the Freedom School as language preservation and ceremonial continuity 
• the Thanksgiving Address as the spiritual frame for meetings 
• universal teachings across nations symbolized by the drum 
• matrilineal governance and women vetting leadership 
• Turtle Island creation story and ceremony as responsibility 
• challenging “myth” labels and correcting misnamed healing traditions 
• Mother Earth’s equinox request for rest, gratitude, and reconnection 

Do you need help catching up on today's topic? Or do you want to learn more about the resources mentioned? If so, please check our website at podcast.doctrine of discovery.org for more information. 

Transcript

Ceremonies Kept Secret To Survive

SPEAKER_02 0:38

I just want to introduce uh about a year ago uh we made a pamphlet um I don't know maybe 20 or 30 years ago, uh James Wamp and um the different leaders. Uh our tradition uh we we used to have to kind of hide uh to do our tradition uh even amongst the Mohawk themselves, because the majority of Mohawks uh were convinced by the Jesuits to abandon and even demonize our ceremonies, and so it was uh considered very simple to run a native ceremony. And so many, many, the majority of our population over several generations had abandoned their ceremonies. And so if we are going to continue our ceremony, we were told by our elder people, you just come to our own house and you do the ceremony and you don't tell nobody, you don't broadcast it. Um because uh the native people who became Christianized were more mean to us, the traditional people, than the French or the English are. Um I guess there's a psychological reason for it, why they were more severe and more mean to us. So whenever we want to know anything about our sermon or our tradition, we have to keep it under wraps. Almost like a secret society, because you have to argue your cousin or your auntie or uncle that's become Christian, and they consider it devilish to do that. So our grandmother told us, just don't say nothing, and we just do it like secretly. And so that's how we were conditioned, sort of like so. We were very uh clannish, we had become very clannish about our ceremony and about our spiritual worldview, because we were for many generations punished by outside and inside. And so it was it wasn't easy to do it. And so when I was a young kid, uh a little boy, I used to wonder how come uh one of my grandfather is from Six Nations, my father's father, and uh and he always, uh when I was only five or six years old, uh he used to take me to get ice cream somewhere. He was good like that. But he also told me not to go to our long house because that's where the devils uh run ceremony, and that uh we're all gonna go to hell and burn in hell forever and ever if we don't quit. And that was my own biological grandfather. But on my mother's side, they were traditional, huh? They never talked like that. They were always kind and and real good, but they always told us to keep secret. But uh, but so anyway, we sort of we sort of survived that, and as a kid, I said, uh what I want to do, uh though those are my people who disown their own natural way to believe. How did that happen? Who did you do that? How how can you look in the mirror and be not proud of who the creator made you to be? When I was a little boy, I was thinking that. And so I tried to find out what happened. How did this situation occur? And it just didn't happen with us. It happened to every Indian in the whole United States and Canada too. And so I said, I'm not gonna hide, I'm not gonna be ashamed. And I I want to know what is it the creator gave us? How does it work? What does it mean? What's its value? And then when I find how to talk about it, I'm gonna go visit all my relatives that have abandoned it. And I told them, when you throw the bath water out, make sure the baby you don't throw it out too. And we've been pretty successful, I guess, because after that we formed the White Roots of peace, like they said. We formed the Freedom School, and we've gone all over the continent of Canada and the United States, to Ojibwe country, Cheyenne country, Choctaw country, Arapahoe country, and I'll tell them don't be ashamed who you are, uphold what we are to the world. So

Film And Thanksgiving Address

SPEAKER_02 5:19

this is what we're going to show you here. I hope it technically is able to do it. It's a film we just made because uh maybe 40 years ago we decided to share our spiritual worldview with the world. And so we broke the cast of us not to do that because we would be punished. But in my time and my cousins, so we make this book too. And it's going all over the world in Japan, in Portuguese and Hawaiian, and Spanish and French and all kinds of languages, German and English, and even Mohawk and everything. But so last year, somebody, I don't know if they were from Arizona or California, a young girl, she went to uh John Stokes, who who uh worked with our other people to write this book. And destroyed all over the world. Uh they wanted she wanted to do a film, documentary about this. And so the man, John Stokes, he says, go see the Kudanushuri people that's their. And you work with them. So they she called me up and I says, Well, the freedom school, uh, we work together all the time. So I said, I'll help you, and we'll we see the freedom school is going to do it too. And so they agreed. And and and it wasn't even much, we we didn't have to do it. One take, two take, three take, nothing. It was like water going down the river, it just knows where to go. And that's how they stuff. And so I would like to see it. I hope it works. But this uh Thanksgiving address is what's in here. And every time we have a meeting amongst the uh Ludmashuni people, you have to do this. And when they finish the meeting, they have to do it again. So it reminds me the way my uncle told me, it's like a baloney sandwich or a ham sandwich. Fresh bread, and then you put your ham, that's the substance meeting, and then when you're done, the other bread goes, and it's a spiritual sandwich. I always like that because it's a good, it makes a good image. But anyways, I'm gonna sit with you and and enjoy it too, because every time I watch it, I'm I might cry. Because we're not supposed to be here anymore, spiritually as a people. We're supposed to have been genocide out, and so we're not. We're still here, and it's really it touches the heart. And so we're gonna produce ambassadors from the freedom school that's gonna go all over the world to tell everybody to take the dust off their spiritual worldview, because the same spiritual teaching from Creator was given to white, black, red, and yellow, all the races. And they were all the same, all giving a drum at the beginning. But many people have abandoned them as the people that came wanted us to abandon it too. But we're so grateful that we had grandmothers and grandfathers who were like diamonds. No matter how much they got pounded to change and to forget and to abandon, they said no, no. And they hide and they kept it going. And now we don't have to hide. Since 1966, 78, they made uh uh made a religious act so we can no longer be punished for believing what the creator gave us. So I want to enjoy it. So can you say it and then I'll talk to you again? Yeah, thank you. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:11

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Universal Drums And Lost Traditions

SPEAKER_02 9:38

From the Mohawk, Unaiga, Unadaga, Cayuga Sanaka, Keskarora, and even the Cherokee. That's what was given to us at the beginning of the world. And our uncle told us that all of Europe was given the same knowledge. And Africa too was given the same knowledge, and Asia was given the same knowledge. And everyone created gave us the drums. Some are water drum, some are deep drum, some are hand drum, but they're all drum to represent the heartbeat of the living. And uh in uh Europe they had sun dance just like we do, and they had also a moon dance with the ram of the moon, just like we do. Amongst the Irish and the Scottish and the old English, they have that. Everything that had Thunder dance too, like we do. But over the years something changed. Something changed. And there became in the world uh kings and queens, and mama dukes and papadukes and barons and duchess. And when they made these and dictators and emperors, and those kind of people are not interested in sharing in a real brotherhood and the elimination of war. You're not interested really in that. So what happened is people like myself and my leaders uh in Europe and all over the world were persecuted at the guillotines, cut their head off, spiritual leaders. They had some dance and uh thunder dance and all that. And uh biggest one, I think, an example of it, most well-known of all of Europe is uh Joan of Art. Cut her head right off. Those were spiritual leaders, just like ours is. And then 200 and 300 years ago, then we were attacked here, Mohawk and Onaidus, Andarbus, and so on, to do away with our ceremony and demonize it. And some of our elders went to the jail for it, and sometimes they got killed for it. But because uh our some of our grandmother and some of our grandfather, they they refused to throw the towel in. I always called them the they were our diamonds. No matter what pressure came, you can't break them. That is mostly our women was like that amongst the Huddin Sunni because we're a matrilineal. We followed the woman. I belonged to the bear clan because my mother was a bear, and her mother was a bear, and her grandmother, great, great, great, great-grandma for tens of thousands years were a bear clan to follow the woman's sight. And even one of my uncles told me that at the beginning when the world was new, every race of people were matrilineal. The English, the black, the yellow, they were all matrilineal. But over the years, like erosion takes place from the weather, men start to take away the matrilineal system and became to be the more powerful than the woman.

Women At The Center Of Governance

SPEAKER_02 13:50

And one of my great-grandfathers told me that uh our great-great-great-grandfather uh was invited to go to Skahnehtadik, which they say now not Skahnehtadi, they call Skalnehtadi, but they can't say it's Shaknehtadi. It's not just that city. When you say Skahnehtadi, it means on the other side of the pines or on the other side of the gum, gum tree. Because when you cut the pine tree, gum comes out. So in the Mohab valley, on the other side of the big pine barrens, that's where they had a meeting. It's called Albini area, all that area is called Shanechtadi, that region. And so they invited uh only my great-great-grandfather from my father's side to go to the meeting at Shanechtadi with Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin. There's even drawings of it on the murals on the education building in Albany. And at the bottom, big gold letters, it says 1754. This is my great-great-great-grandfather. And there they had wampum belts hanging down. It's the constitution of the Fulham Shuni. Benjamin was a friend with the Mohats. And so they were gonna make a government here and put up kings and queens, like they do in England, like they do in Switzerland, like they do in Norway and Spain, because that's all they knew. But Benjamin said the Hudanishunni people, they don't they don't have king and queen. At first they told our leaders what king and queen do, but it's uh it wasn't right. In some books it says that. Even some of my great-great-grandfather is called the four Mohawk kings. But they were never that in Europe called him that. And so, as a great-grandfather whole in connected, he's explaining how do we govern without a king and queen. And so what he said to the European Benjamin and Thomas Jeffer and other one, we are matrilineal. Any leader that's chosen spiritually or politically has to be initiated by women. Gotta be vetted by women. That's to take the first initiative, what man and what man is worthy of a spiritual leadership or political leadership. And right away, Major Mary Thomas, oh no, no, no, no. A woman can't be given that right. And so, since 1754, women had no rights. That's a fact. Until when my mother, my own mother, was four years old, in 1924, the United States Congress passed it finally to give women the right to vote. It took all that years. That's a wonderful accomplishment. But that doesn't go far enough. Women are the mothers of our children. Women are more dedicated than men to the future of our children because they're the one giving birth. And if a child is in danger, woman will go there twice as fast as a man. And if it takes 50 years, she'll never stop to protect that child. And that's how come in the in the world, at the beginning, everybody was matrilineal. So that the future will always be protected with compassion and love. And so the Huddin Sunni though is still we follow that woman yet to this day. Even though colonization came, everything came to make us go under the water and not breathing anymore, we never stopped. It's been a struggle, but with the leadership of our women, they didn't allow us to quit. And if danger comes ten times harder than anybody, our tradition and our teaching will not stop. And so I wanted to share with you, like you sit on here on this movie, those kids did a real good job. They were so good. All in our language. Yeah, that freedom school has been going for 40 years with no help from the United States, from New York State, no help from Canada or provinces. It was an initiative just by our own families who wanted our kids not to lose our language and our teachings and our way of worldview. And that's the words that are used whenever our leaders have a meeting, they have to do all that. And when they finish the meeting, they have to do it again to close it. So creators in the front and creators in the back of the meeting. It takes almost about 30 minutes to do that, but you always thought if you don't do that, the meeting is not considered legal or official amongst the tradition. And so that there is the curriculum that the freedom school follows for all the classes. It's our mohab, every class, all day long, year after year. And today now, people my age, we can leave this world. We can die, we won't have to worry. Because those kids from the freedom school know how to bury somebody when they die. They know how to do the funeral when somebody dies. If somebody needs to get married, they know how to marry them. If our New Year's uh mid-winter ceremony comes, those kids know how to run that. Even if all my age passes away, they tomorrow can do it. They picked up the hammer, the spiritual hammer, the spiritual song, and everything you need to have a future freedom school dead. That's a miracle. And that little freedom school gets visitors from England, France, Belgium, Austria, Australia, Aboriginals, China, Hong Kong to come to see that little school. It's a miracle. Anyway, there wants to help to do that thing, that one.

Turtle Island And Sky Woman

SPEAKER_02 21:09

Now we're talking about the beginning. Uh when we talk about creations, uh basically the earth, there was no earth on this uh earth, uh planet. Our elders said it was completely surrounded by water. The whole world. There was no Syracuse, no New York City, no Germany, no France. Everything was just a water. And the only people, only life that lived here before us was animals that had webs between their toes and their fingers, because they have to survive in the big water. And they have scale on their body. Like a fish that survived. They're the ones that were here before we got here. Then it says also that um there's another planet. Our old people tell us, our elders tell us, beyond the sun, past the sun, past the Milky Way, there's another planet called Galunghyoki. All Mohawks call it Galunghyoki. All Onigas, even though they have a different dialect, they call it same. They say pronounce it same Galunghyaki. Onadagas yet has more different dialect. Samo same language but different dialect, different. More different than Onaida. And they call that planet Galunhyaga, same as the Mohawk. And then when you go to Cayuga, their dialect is even more different than us. But when they say that planet is called Galujagar, same, it doesn't vary, it's the same pronunciation. And when you go to Seneca, it's different languages, different dialect. And they say that planet Galujaga, same as Omoha. That one never changed when dialects changed. That state was same because of the universal truth. So when she was allowed to come here, she was already pregnant from the other world. And she was allowed to come here. And as she came through, however she came through, from that planet to here, and it is also said that when we pass away, me and others today, our makeup, they said they use Mother Earth as a dirt, like a clay, and water, and fire, and wind, and the power spirit that this earth has, the planet has itself. They use that as an ingredient. And also Galankalki, where our great-great-grandma came from to bring life to this big water planet, she brought part of that spirit here. So all those components they make uh human figures like dolls, man and woman. And then when they finish, oh I got ahead of myself. When the lady came from Garumhyagi, she was pregnant. So she finished her pregnancy here. So two babies were born. But their father came from the other planet. Her daughter. She got a daughter. The father's from other planet. And there's no other people here. There's only that mother and her daughter. And they said one time she asked her mother, because when she came here, uh the birds flew up to catch her with their soft feathers to bring her here to the big planet of water. What are we going to do? Because she's got no web between her toe or her finger. She will not survive in this planet of water. So the big turtle came up in the ocean. And he says, put her on the middle of my back, and I will stay on top of the water until we figure out what to do. So they did. So then what happened is the animals of the water with webs on their toes and hands went way down below the water to get dirt and put it on top of the turtle's back. And so when they did, they put that particle of dirt from the bottom of the big water. Then that mother, grandma, she started to go counterclockwise in a circle around that dirt on the turtle's back. And that's where the miracle of birth began for us human. And so those, because she started going counterclockwise spiritually, and that's why all longhouse is doing that yet to this day. Follow her. The particles of dirt from the bottom of the big water began to multiply fast. That's what became the continents of the world. And that turtle transformed from a turtle into continents, one continent. There was really no China, no Africa, no America, no South America. It was just one big one. And later it broke up into Asia, into Africa. That's why if you push the continents together, they all fit. If you look in the maps, it fits. So what our uncles and elders told us is scientifically correct. Which I was so happy to hear that. Anyway, so now this creation story takes maybe two, three hours to tell it. So, but we don't have that long time. So what we're going to say is when the daughter grew up from the grandma. She's the mother to the daughter, the daughter said to her mother, and she said, Ishtan, how big is the turtle? The land. Because you can't see now, the turtle looked too big. Because she danced this way to make life grow. And that's why all traditional people in the world have ceremony. So the sun will keep shining. So the waters will keep quenching our thirst. So the thunders will keep replenishing all the waters of the earth. So the moon will continue to ascend the birth of our children. And that was given to everybody all over the world. And so when she said to her daughter, just go off that way and keep walking that way, and you'll see how big it is, that turtle, the earth. So in my family, they say that daughter walked for three days and three nights. Everything is in three when the old people talks. Everything is in three. When we have our sacred dance, our great father dance amongst the Huddin Sunni, they call it the Creator's Dance. They say it's the words in that song was the words that that great great-grandmother was singing to make the world grow. And what they do when they sing that song, they say, they start a song, they say, yo, yo, yo, then they sing and dance. When they finish that verse, again they say, yo, yo, yo. Again, three breaths. And the reason is because when they made the humans out of the clay and the dirt and the fire and the wind and all that, they still weren't living until that daughter who became pregnant. Because there's no man around here. So how's she gonna get pregnant? Can't go to Syracuse or often look for it. There's no man. And so there needs to be a man if there's gonna be a baby to be born. Everybody knows that, right? But there was no man. So guess what happened? So they say that the wind from the west was masculine. And so that western wind impregnated that daughter. And that's how come all the Indian, whether it's Cheyenne or Lakota or Hopio or Navajo or Choptaw or Moha, whenever tornado or hurricane come, we our elders talk to that. So the tornado goes above where we live and don't hurt us. Or the tornado hurricane split go around us because they're our great grandfather. Because that's the one that married the sky woman's daughter. And that's why we call the thunders our grandpa. And so when that lady got pregnant, she had two boys that are going to be born. And the one baby, when it was born, come down the natural path of babies to be born, the channel of birth. But the other brother was kind of a mischievous little guy. And he said, I'm not gonna follow my brother where he went. So he started biting a chicken here on his mother's side, and he he was born from there, and she hemorrhaged and she died, the mother. And that's where we began to call it. That's the first one to see her death there. So that's how we call it earth is our mother. Since that time, the earth has become our mother. And it's all hooked to the creation. Everything. The rain, the thunder, the sun, the northern lights, the birth of our kids.

Why These Teachings Are Not Myths

SPEAKER_02 32:38

And one time, uh sometime I was doubtful if some of those stories from our elders was really true or because in the school I went to was American government school, they proclaimed that whatever our elders told us is not documented. So therefore, it's like a Cinderella or Snow White story. It's only a myth, it's not real. And to give you another example of it, is ever recall or see in your life? Um, the Huddhishunni, we have these wooden faces, and they're twist nose and twisted mouth. Uh well known among all Huddin Shunni, and that's a very active ceremony for healing people. Well, in the big glossary books put out by some American people or Canadian people, big one, cinema colors. And it talks about those wooden faces. You know what they call they call it? False faces. False faces. I grew up with those faces, that society. We call them Hadoui, our grandpa thunder, our great grandpa Hadoui. And I've been to many, many ceremonies all my life. And I never heard one of our elders, when they run that ceremony and they burn tobacco for that, I never heard them say you're a hulk's face. They always say, Grandpa, how do we grandpa? We are your grandchildren. There's no such thing in our ceremony, faults. Why did they say, and because that that phase of me out of the tree, of bashwood tree, is uh almost unlike the creator's power. Not false, it's real. It heals, causes miracles to happen, but I've seen them. And when they did their ceremony, they they can handle fire with their bare hands. As part of their ceremony. And it's still going. Not false. It's real. So the earth is our mother. And uh just a month ago I was over in Kitchener, Ontario, when the Irish were celebrating. Yeah, the Irish time, I guess, it was a month, is it a month ago now? I didn't mark it, so I don't know. But Irish invited me to go there because I helped them do a documentary uh with William Johnson, who was Irishman. He was the agent for the England for North America. He's the one married my great great great great grandma. And so we did a documentary about a year and a half, two years ago. They took us to Johnson Hall in Johnstown, New York. And so they're gonna show that over there and they invite me to go there. So I went over there and they cook uh they cook uh buffalo stew and uh Johnny cake and old-fashioned kind of food, like. And uh so I talked to them. And you know what they did? They at the end they gave me a big hand drum this big in his case. That's what the Irish used, and I was so happy. See? What our elders told us. The creator gave us all drum. And that Irish still has their drum. It's at my house now, beautiful. And I know Irish got drum too. I know China's got drum too. And so what our grandmothers and grandpa told us is true. So the world has to dust off their knowledge, their universal truths, has many layers of dust on it, so you can't see anymore. My message is to dust all that years of dust away and get back to the original truth of the universe. Because if we don't, we won't have no more mother. If we don't, we'll have no more water to drink every day. Our children, great-grandchildren, will have no water. If we don't, there will be no air that's pure and clean, unpolluted. All of those are the essential facts that we need to live. And the original teachings that the Creator gave us, we are connected to all of those things. That's why we got sun dates. That's why we got thunder debts. That's why we've got ceremony for the animals, for the trees. We just finished not too long ago, maple tree dense, because the maple tree is considered the chief of all the trees in the forest, because they make oxygen that you and I need to breathe, and the robins and the deer and the ratcoon needs to reap from what the trees make the air. So everything is a universal truth. But I want to share with you now too, this one, because to study this original truth, and I'm not saying to convert to be Mohawk, I'm not saying that. We've got enough trouble already. But what I am saying to you is that everybody in the world has to get off this trip their own. It's not hooked to the actual facts of this world we live in. Got to get back to the actual reality. If we want our children to be able to live here. I think it's six years ago now, they had a big meeting in Toronto at the CN Tower. And it's all the different countries in the world going to send their environmentalists there to discuss about environment and what we should do or whatever. And I have an invitation to go there, but I'm not a scientist. I wasn't trained in environmental science anytime, any place, not even kindergarten month. But they invited me to go there, and I don't want to go. Because world environmental professors are going to be there that studied that, and I would be lost in their company. But uh one man sent me $250 check in the mail. He said, put gas in your car, and I would request that you go to that meeting. I didn't ask me, just give it. Another lady in Sarana, she bought one-week hotel for me to stay, to go there. And I couldn't understand why amongst this real educated people in the environment from the world, uh I'll be the laughing stock because I wasn't ever trained, nothing. But I didn't want to let that man down that gave me money for gas, or that woman who paid the hotel. So I jumped in my little car at the Mohawk Valley in Ponda, New York, actually, New York, and I got on through it. And I and when I get on the road to travel somewhere, I put Kitty Wells and George Jones and Randy Travis on. And I get to Buffalo just like that without being bored. I love country music. I really love country music. If I don't hear country music, in one day or two days, I'll get sick. And if I want to get better, I just put George Jones on for five minutes or think it well, and I'll get better right away. Most older people and natives, whether it's Sioux or Lakota, my age, loves country music. Because they tell the truth. I guess that's why. If they're blue, they tell you in their song. If they're happy, they tell you in their song. If they're drunk, they tell you in the song. They don't hide. And that's what most natives do is they're not afraid to tell you the truth. So anyway, I went past uh Oneidas where they live on the three way, and then I went past Sercuse and I come into Rochester. And all of a sudden my radio kind of loses its power because you get out of the range.

Mother Earths Message To Leaders

SPEAKER_02 41:47

And all of a sudden, as it was going in and out, a Mohawk woman talked to me. The radio was talking on Mohawk. And I said, Can't be. The only place you're going to hear a Mohawk woman talk on the radio is Aquajasi or Ghanawaki or Six Nations. Rochester, there's nobody around here that's got radio station Mohawk. So I shut the radio off. And she kept talking. There wasn't a radio. They was coming through the air. As I'm driving. And here's what she said. She said, I am your mother. And I am the mother of all living things. And the reason I came to see you is because you don't want to go to that meeting in Durando. That's how we call Toronto Durando. The land where the big timbers are, that's what it means, Toronto. Durando. You don't want to go there. That's how come I come to see you. When you get over there to that big conference, big meeting, katha hungo, she said. The big, big meeting. And that's how you say big meeting, katya hung. If they open the door and give you a place to talk to them, I want you to tell them that I came to see you. And here's what you say to them. Almost all my children in the world has forgotten who I am. And her voice won a crack to cry. And I'm lonesome for my children. You tell them that. That means in English, if you are willing. And I like that. She said, if you are willing, she didn't say, I'm going to break your arm if you don't. Or I'm going to send you to hell forever if you don't. She don't say that. She did just like my mother's mother, my grandma. Whenever she goes to a sermon, she always says, You want to go with me if you're willing? But she never told me I have to go. And I always went with her because I was her tail. And that's how that woman talked. Which I thought was a radio. It wasn't, it was coming in the air. And when you get there, tell them everything, what I just told you now. And she said, there are two days in the year, when the day and the night is exactly the same length of time. And they call it, I learned later, equinox, but I didn't know what it was when she told me. She just said, when the day and the night is the same length of time. I didn't even know what the equinox was until other people told me that's what it is. When the day and the night is the same. It's called equinox. It's usually in March, and the other one is in September. On those two days, she said to me, this Mother Earth, I want you to invite your kids and grandkids, you and your wife, and you on that day, as soon as the sun light comes from the sun, dawn, you'll make a sacred fire and you will burn this kind of tobacco in there for me and for the Creator and for all living things. And you will renew and rekindle our connection with this. When you finish that at the dawn, then you and your wife make a big dinner, big food, and your kids and grandkids and great-grandkids, you eat together. And when you're done eating, I want you to talk to your sons and daughters and your grandchildren and great-grandchildren, or whoever else that you invite, and explain to them how I am their mother, why I am their mother, and how I'm their mother. Until you can't think of anything more to tell them about that, so that relationship will be renewed with your children and grandchildren. And when you finish telling them how the earth is our mother, then you can go on the Mohawk River, which is just a little ways from our house in the Mohawk Valley, and you can ride your son and daughters or kids on the canoe on the Mohawk River. Or you can also, there's trails in the mountain behind the barn at our house, and there's a lot of rattlesnakes there too. But this trail said they don't bother you if you don't bother them. You can take your kids and grandkids and go walk on those trails. Or you can even ride a bicycle with your kids and grandkids. But she said, I know that in your barn you have a big John Deere tractor that you use to plow plant and whatever. If you are willing, I ask you, don't ride that tractor all day. Anything that uses gas, motor, gas, from sun dawn of that day to the sun goes down, you can't see the sun anymore. Just give me that day to have a relax, to have a breather, a rest. My children, I ask you. After the sun goes down, then you can go back to whatever you do before. But at least twice a year, when that equinox is here, I ask you if you are willing. And she says, and when you get Toronto, don't make them fear, don't demand that they do this. I only want those of my children that come to me with open arms and want to hold me and be kind to me. I don't want nobody that you fear them, and you say, you know, if you don't do this, this is what's going to happen to you. Don't fear. That's not what I'm about. I'm the mother of all of the things. I want it to be glow, I want it to be compassionate and kind. And that's what the mother earth's message was. Six years. It might be almost seven years now since that time. But there was probably over 10,000 people from all over the world there. But where I was sent was uh at a certain part of it where they had a longhouse actually built there. It looks like real, but it was made out of pipes, bent pipes. They look real though. They had cedars and pines in there. Looks real. And so I delivered this message to only to about 250 people because uh the Asians had their section, India had their section, Europe had their section, and it's not all one big thing, it was all different talking about environment though. So I didn't get a chance to talk to the 10,000, only to 250. And so I know so every equinox I I do that at sunrise and sundown, the way my mother asked me. And so I give that to you.

Equinox Practice For Families

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You don't have to do nothing if you don't want to, with your kids and your grandchildren, if you want us to reconnect with our mother who loves us. I deliver that message for you. You can do with it what you want. And if you don't want to do it, it's okay. So that's one thing.