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Rival Season with Authors Katie Bailey and Leah Brunner

• Kristen Bahls • Season 3 • Episode 10

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Welcome + Current Reads + WIP's

SPEAKER_01

Welcome back. I'm Kristen Balls, and you're listening to Where I Left Off, a Bookish Podcast. Today I'm joined by the authors Leah Bruner, who you may know from the Under the Kansas Sky series and DC Eagles Hockey Series, and Katie Bailey, who wrote the Cyclone Hockey Series, Donovan Family Duology, Only in Atlanta Duology, and many more. And today we are talking about their latest novel, which is the second book in the Hockey Boys of Loft 3B series, Rival Season. Thank you so much for joining me, both of you. Thanks for having us. Thank you. Yeah, thanks. Good to be here. So cool. So the first question that I always ask everyone is what are you currently reading and or watching? If there's anything good for you right now.

SPEAKER_02

Well, I'm actually reading Leah's Secret Project right now. Um no one else has gotten to read yet. So oh, I forgot. I put down what I was reading, and I am deep in that and enjoying it so much. It's gonna be so good, and I'm so excited for everyone to get to hear more about it eventually. Wow, so co-authors and critique partners.

SPEAKER_01

Nice.

SPEAKER_00

We can't live without each other now. We're codependent. Yeah. I am reading, um, I'm finishing up Victoria Wilder's Bourbon Boys series with Bourbon and Proof. And I'm trying to finish watching Heated Rivalry, but my kids are always home, and that is not a show that one can watch with children around. So it's taken me forever to make it all the way through.

SPEAKER_01

Did you read the series first and then watch, or are you watching and then are you gonna read? I yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

I would like, I don't read a lot of hockey romance. I feel like Katie, I don't know if you get like this, but I get a bit like hockeyed out for when I'm writing it. Um, so I don't read a ton of hockey romance, so I'll probably just watch the show.

SPEAKER_01

That makes sense. I was gonna say, and you watch a lot of hockey too, so it's not even just hockey romance, it's a sport as well. Hockey, hockey, hockey. And then what again, not including the secret project, but what can you tell me about both of your current work in progresses? And not only are you co-writing things together, but then you have your own separate things. So, how do you balance like all of that at one time?

SPEAKER_02

I can answer this in one word, and that is badly.

SPEAKER_01

Agree. I agree. Do you have a team that helps you, or do you guys kind of just rely on each other, or how does that work?

SPEAKER_00

We both work with um booked with the Emilies, and I feel like they're a ton of help. I also work with Carolina, I cannot pronounce her last name. I'm not sure how it's pronounced, but she has been amazing at helping me with my newsletter recently, and I've really enjoyed working with her too. That definitely helps because there's so much at once.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So you guys are both really, really close, but how did you kind of decide to take that next step and co-write something together and co-write a series together, not even just one book. We remember this differently.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we do. We were talking about this earlier. Cause I remember when I was still living in California, we're both like kind of slower. I feel like in like the grand scheme of indie authors, we're both kind of work at a slower pace. And so I I kind of threw out like we should just co-write a book together. And Katie has no memory of this. Um, and we kind of like laughed it off in the moment. And then years later, she was like, We should write a book together. And I was like, that's what I said eight years ago.

SPEAKER_01

No memory of this whatsoever. That's amazing. So, Katie, for you, it just hit you and you offered it up to Leah. I thought I had a great idea, but apparently Leah had it three years before me.

SPEAKER_02

So But yeah, we kind of threw around the idea of co-writing. Um, and we were talking about it then, the second time around, apparently, still to be confirmed if that's real or not. Um we're talking about that for a long time, but we both had projects we were doing. Like Leah had, I think, two more DC Eagles books to go at that point. I was working on a Cyclones book and my multi-author project, and like we were both had lots of other things happening. So we were like had this on the back burner for the longest time. And I'm glad we did because when we first talked about co-writing, we hadn't landed on it being Noah and Allie. And I think as Noah continued to like appear in the DC Eagles books, and I don't know where that inspiration came from, but the second we thought of it, we were like, yes, this this is what needs to happen. So I'm glad we had all that time to think about it.

SPEAKER_01

I love that. And you weren't too hockeyed out to write a hockey series together and continue that. And okay, I I had to I had to ask because I just want to know. Um, so Leah, who is your favorite cyclone? And then Katie, who's your favorite DC Eagle since you guys read each other's books all the time?

SPEAKER_00

My favorite is Aaron. I mean, the he takes such good care of his teammate's sister and the shower kiss. Come on, you can't beat the shower kiss.

SPEAKER_01

I'm gonna have to do another reread and just find that scene. Just I think I've actually listened to almost all of both of your books on audiobooks. So now I need to like reread them.

SPEAKER_02

I was gonna say for um the DC Eagles, I am definitely a Colby Knight girly. I think he is so underrated, like criminally underrated. He does not get enough love. I didn't know that. It's because everybody loves Mitch and I love Mitch. We all love Mitch, but Colby then I think just because he was booked to after Mitch, yeah, just he's for me, he was it.

SPEAKER_01

That's fair. I do have a friend that is completely Mitch, and I have another friend that is completely Colby. So I get both sides. It's really, really hard to choose, especially when you guys are so close to it. Do you tend to read, so you read kind of as critique partners, but then do you end up reading it again like once it's published to kind of see where it is, or are you already kind of on to the next project? It's like I can't remember.

SPEAKER_00

Uh I never reread like ever. Like even when I buy a book at the store, like I don't reread books ever. So when I read Katie's manuscripts, I just know that in the end she's gonna make it, you know, perfect and wonderful. And I I don't feel like I need to reread it.

SPEAKER_02

I feel like I reread Secret or Shutout afterwards, but I think that was because you changed a bunch of stuff. I feel like that was one maybe that I was reading a really early draft and a lot changed. Yeah. And that would have been the last one that we didn't work on together. So yeah, it's been a while.

SPEAKER_01

That's true. So do you think that you will continue to work on um additional projects together after the series is complete?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, no plans right now to do anything like that. But I think both of us have lots of other things going on, but both of us are also like never say never people when it comes to anything. So yeah, not not currently, no plans currently.

Rival Season by Katie Bailey and Leah Brunner

SPEAKER_01

Good to know. And um, talking a little bit more about the book specifically, so what made you choose uh Mitch to be the Lions coach? Because you know, technically it could have been any of them, and then uh Zeb to be the assistant out of all the other players from both of your series. Like what stood out about those two?

SPEAKER_00

So actually, some of it was kind of we had to roll with because in my bonus epilogue for desire defense, I had written in in the moment, I just did it like for fun, like a future glimpse. Um, I wasn't like planning to do a Noah book necessarily, but I put it in San Francisco and it was the San Francisco Lions, and I set up the colors of the jerseys, and Mitch was the coach, and him and Andy were moving out there with their three little girls. And so some of it we were kind of like, well, I guess this is just what we're rolling with, like the colors of the jerseys. We have had so many discussions about this because I'm like, why? Why did I write turquoise and purple? Like I could have done anything. I did turquoise and purple. Like, what was I was I high? What the heck?

SPEAKER_02

We have grown to love them though. We've grown to love their jerseys. They have a really good contrast.

SPEAKER_00

I feel like they're really so different. They're they're so different from from any of the other, I feel like fictional team jerseys. So it it worked out, but it's like such a chaotic color combo.

SPEAKER_01

Like, I don't know what I was doing. I'm glad you learned to love it because I I like it. I think it has a really, really nice contrast, the purple with the blue on the books. That's hilarious. It worked out. It worked out. At least you know that if you're looking at either your book covers or like a sticker of the jersey, you're gonna know which team it is and you're gonna remember it. It's not gonna look like all the other ones.

SPEAKER_02

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I could have made it worse. I mean, it could have been like fluorescent pink and orange or something. So like yellow and brown. I don't know. Uh yeah, yeah. Green and pink. Yeah. Could have been anything. Yeah, we wanted like both of our characters in there, and so we're like, oh, let's make Seb the the assistant coach. That way everyone can get a glimpse of the guys, you know, in the future and what they're up to.

SPEAKER_02

And Mitch and Seb make such a perfect like grumpy sunshine duo, where like we got grumpy sunshine coaching going on, so worked out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

They do play off of each other really well. Well, actually, that kind of made me think of a different question. So when Okay, so you both know each other's characters, but of course, your characters live in each other's brains. So, how do you write another person's character that kind of came from their mind? Do you just know them that well, or do you kind of have to both like really talk through it before you do, or you just kind of like take a stab at it and then see how it turns out?

SPEAKER_00

Really good question. Yeah. I feel like it was a bit different with rookie season because we had so many, it was so much more focused on being like a second gen book. It was kind of difficult. We had a lot of discussions about, you know, trying to make sure that like the second gen characters were in there enough and that it like incorporated both of our characters. And we kind of let each other take the lead in that book a little bit of like, okay, this is like you know this character the best. So you get kind of like the final say. So even when we're like editing over each other, you know, Katie can be like, that doesn't sound like something Seth would say, you know, and I would do the same with Mitch. But moving forward in like the the next two books, we decided like, you know, it was it created such a challenge to like get that all right, that we're like, let's just focus moving forward on like the new characters. So like rookie season is very much like a second gen book. And then I feel like the next two are very much like our new characters altogether.

SPEAKER_02

I would totally agree with that. And I would say that Noah and Ali both kind of became ours, the grown-up versions of them. Like obviously, Noah as a kiddo and Allie as a kiddo were, you know, very separate, but as you know, they're they're whole new characters as grown-ups falling in love. So that made it easier to where I think the side characters that we were bringing back were a little bit more like, yeah, let's keep them really like themselves. But because Noah and Ali had gone from like childhood to to adulthood, um, yeah, they just became our babies somewhere along the way.

SPEAKER_01

I love that. I think you did a really fantastic job of making them seem like the kids that we knew that they were, but then it wasn't harping on it too much to where they got to kind of breathe and be their own people and figure everything out in rookie season and now a little bit in rival season. And how did you decide that Penn story was going to be next?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, Penn. I mean, I think when we first planned out the series and we we really kind of like typecast the characters for the three boys and what they would be like and who they were as people, I think we knew that from the beginning because Ricky season had such that new girl vibe that like Penn and Fisher were very important side characters in that book. So we knew them well, and it just felt natural with the tropes that we had planned for books two and three, and who the characters were and how we'd set everything up for Penn's story to be next, I think.

SPEAKER_01

And then, of course, we can look forward to Fisher's story to finish this out, right? It's a good one. Okay. I have a theory of who I think someone is based on where it was left. So I'll have to tell you afterwards and see if I'm right. So we hear a little bit more about okay, so we got a little bit of Hazel kind of in rookie season, but can you both tell me a little bit more about kind of her personality and her role as the FMC in this book?

SPEAKER_00

I love Hazel. Um uh I just feel like she is that perfect oldest daughter character. She's just she's running the show on her own life. And I think that she has a really complex uh relationship with, you know, her family and feels a bit like beholden to her parents. And um, she's kind of learning to, I feel like, create boundaries and let that go and just um be comfortable in who she is, even though it might not be what they would choose for her.

SPEAKER_01

And she really grounds him too a lot. And I like how they both get something from each other.

SPEAKER_02

And Penn brings out such a like exciting side of her throughout the book. I think like her character is so it has so much depth, right? Like she seems quite like typecast from the outset, but she's actually like very dry and witty and funny, and and um she's also three years, I think three years older than Penn. And she's like so insecure about this at the beginning of the book, but he brings out this like kind of fun, playful side of her, which was so fun and enjoyable to to like develop that in her character as we wrote.

SPEAKER_01

So are your personalities more like um Allie or more like Hazel in real life?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I don't think I'm particularly like either of them, actually. I would say I'm the most like the FMC from book three.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. If I had to choose one. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. I feel like I'm probably I feel like I'm probably Penn.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_00

I just I don't feel like I'm like a weird mixture of there's like a little bit of Hazel in me, but she's very type A. And I am definitely not type A at all.

SPEAKER_01

I like that answer, Penn. Yeah. Okay, what makes Hazel and Pin's dynamic so different from Allie and Noah? And also, are there a lot of cameos from Harry Styles the Third? Harry Styles the Third is still alive and kicking.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, he turns up in all the books, he's an important roommate. Um, well, because Ali's cat as a child was Harry Styles the first. So I figured there would have, I think I originally made him the second, and Leah was like, Katie cats don't live that long. It has to be the third. In first and second rest of days, exactly.

SPEAKER_00

Rest in peace. I feel like Ali and Noah is like, he's so grumpy about her being there. And he's just like, I'm here to focus. Like, I'm here to work. Like, what is she doing here? Where Pen is like, hey girl, how are you doing? So and she's like, um, no, I I don't want so it's almost like I don't want to say they're it's like reversed because I feel like Hazel's very different from Noah. And then you have like, you know, the rival, like Pen's rival is her cheating ex and that whole like, mm, let's fake date and get back at him together. There's this whole like revenge part that's just really fun.

SPEAKER_02

The revenge is so good. Um, I would also say that like Penn's love language is teasing, like he is just always teasing her. Um, so he's like a very different, he flirts very differently from Noah, I would say. So their chemistry is very different as well. Like I would say just as hot, but like different hot.

SPEAKER_00

I feel like Penn and Hazel have really good banter.

SPEAKER_01

Was that easy to write the banter? And did it kind of just like fly off the page for them just because of their personalities?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I feel like, and sometimes, sometimes Katie and I will like some of our text exchanges are so genuinely uh hilarious that I'll be like, I'm screenshotting this so that we can write it into a book. And so some of our conversations will make it into the banter and into like the roommate banter or just the Canadianisms.

SPEAKER_02

A lot of those are pulled from real conversations between Bandley.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Those were hilarious, especially at the Canada party. And then um, what is your favorite on ice or it could be off ice, like generally kind of team related scene. And I guess how did you decide how much hockey, like on ice time to put in the book? That's hard because sometimes we'll we'll get like halfway through the book and we're like, oh no, we forgot to add hockey.

SPEAKER_00

We'll have to like go back and like find places to add it because we get so into like, you know, just their life and what they're doing. And um, but hockey is an important part of hockey romance. So sometimes you gotta you gotta go back to square one and add some hockey in there and make sure it's there. But I feel like Penn has some really fun. I don't know if it's necessarily like team related, um, but there's some really fun moments between him and his rival, like um just you know, trolling each other on the ice and giving each other penalties and you know, that kind of I feel like that's a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_02

And in this book, there is a scene with a jacket um when Penn is on the ice, and that was just one of my favorites. So I won't give it away, but um, the jacket was great. The gesture on both sides was awesome. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And then um, is there anything else that you would like readers to know about Rival Season or any of the books in the series?

SPEAKER_00

A trigger warning for rival season that people might not expect is arachnophobia. So just the threw me for a loop for a second.

SPEAKER_02

Me too, actually. I was like, where is she going with this?

SPEAKER_00

Fluffy, fluffy is probably my favorite character and the whole button.

SPEAKER_01

Fluffy is a great character. Now you need to have like a fluffy sticker or something.

SPEAKER_00

We really do. We need to commission some fluffy art.

SPEAKER_01

And then how can readers get a signed copy? Um, like what bookstores kind of are you working with?

SPEAKER_02

Best way to get a signed copy hand signed by both of us is to come and visit us in Toronto in May. We will be at Love and Romance in Toronto together. Um, I think two days after Rival Sizen releases. So that is like kind of the only time I feel like people will be able to get a copy hand signed by both of us. That is so cool. Romance Landia is selling um pre-orders with signed book plates from both of us. Um, and we'll both have signed copies in our stores and book plates. So yeah, but hand-signed copies, I think, yeah, just we'll be there together. And then we'll be at another event together in 2027, which hasn't been announced yet. So um I think those are the only chances. We're we're very far apart, like what, like 3,000 miles?

SPEAKER_00

So yeah, totally different time zones. I'd say Romance Landia. I mean, most people probably are not coming to Toronto. So I feel like the best way to get to if you want a sign copy is to order pre order from Romance Landia, where it comes with a book a signed book plate from each of us and a lion's uh sticker. So that's a fun way to get it. It's not like it's it's you know, it has our signatures, but it might not be like signed, signed. You just stick it in there.

SPEAKER_01

Do you both um typically do a lot of in-person events or are you kind of a little bit more sparing with those? Leah does more than me.

SPEAKER_02

Um, I'm I'm very awkward. Um, so signings give me major anxiety.

SPEAKER_00

I feel like it's easier for me because I'm in the States and I think there's there's just so many more signings in the States. I there was one year that I just went crazy doing signings and it was a lot of fun, but it took away a lot of my riding time. So I have slowed down a lot and now I just do a few a year.

SPEAKER_01

Katie, do you like have you done a lot in the past? Or Leah was saying that there weren't as many in Toronto. How do you kind of find which ones you're going to do? Um, is it just like social media or yeah?

SPEAKER_02

I mean, it's it's definitely there's a bigger community of romance readers um in Canada now. Um there's a a bookstore called Slowburn Books, the romance only bookstore in Calgary, where I live. Um, and they have set up um quite a large signing, and there's another new signing happening in Vancouver. And I think this one in Toronto is in its second year. And this, yeah, so you're seeing them pop up more. So um I've only done two so far. So Toronto will be my third. Um, and then I have one in Vancouver next year and another one next year that hasn't been announced. But yeah, it is uh, it's definitely hopefully now there are more and more, but there were definitely limited options in Canada before.

SPEAKER_01

Makes sense. And not only do you work with bookstores and then you do in post events and stuff too, but you both have your own websites. Uh, what made you decide to do that in addition to Amazon and everything in store and working with bookstores and kind of having that route adding on to your author um listing as well?

SPEAKER_00

I feel like it's just the best way to get a hand-signed copy. Um, because obviously not everyone is gonna be in Ohio to like come to my signings or in Calgary to come to, you know, local signings that we might do after a release. Um, and so uh people readers just seem to love having a signed copy on their bookshelf. And I love that. I do too. I have been known to spend some money on signed copies in people's stores to have to have on my trophy shelf. Um, so yeah, I think it's just like a fun way that we can offer something special to our readers and they can get that personalized kind of book.

SPEAKER_02

They like to buy art as well. Like I find the art is so popular. So if they order kind of from one of us directly, they can order whatever art they, you know, like it it just is a different experience. For me, it took me a long time to set up my online store because I felt so guilty having to charge the shipping prices uh to ship shipping from Canada to the US, like you might as well be shipping to like 10 bucks too. Like it is crazy. And I just felt so guilty. I'm like, no one's going to pay this. Um, but people kept asking, um, you know, so I was like, well, I'll just set them up. And I'm amazed and so appreciative of every single person who loves my books enough to order a copy and pay that to get them shipped. And I wish there was a way to do it more cost-effectively, but yeah, it's pretty awesome. Like, readers are pretty amazing. Like, I'm so so grateful to have such amazing readers.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, the people were asking for it. And then, okay, Leah, what is your favorite signed book on your bookshelf? Now I need to know. Or at least like top three. Maybe top three might be easier.

SPEAKER_00

I have a copy of Iron Flame signed by Rebecca Yarros. And I have most of Mariana Zapata's signed books.

SPEAKER_01

I did pick up from Luke Goth with Love because you were talking about you read it. No, I haven't gotten to it yet, but I have it on my shelf. I love that book.

SPEAKER_02

It's like the OG figure skating book.

SPEAKER_00

It's so fun. I need to move it up on my TBR. The best, grumpiest characters. And I love it when the girl's grumpy. And like, I just love that. And Mariana did it so well in that book. I also loved Kulty. I feel like Lukov and Colti are probably tied for me.

SPEAKER_02

I haven't read Kulty yet.

SPEAKER_00

I it's on my TBR.

SPEAKER_02

I know. You have to read it.

SPEAKER_01

Adding it, adding it. Katie, do you have a favorite signed book on your bookshelf? I don't own any signed books. That's your new goal for the year.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my goodness. I'm like rocking room. I'm not, I don't have any. Um hey, I'll sign, I'll sign one for you in Toronto.

SPEAKER_02

I will have a Leah Brunerson's book on my shelf and I'm not a good collector at all. Um, like at all. Like even the bookshelf behind me, like this, it's just got some of my books on it. Like this is brand new. My husband built this for me, like this office space for me, like a couple of months ago. So I've never had like my dedicated space for my bookish stuff until now. So now's a good time to start collecting, fill up my shelves with some sun copies. You know, Leah can give you all the tips.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Uh, do you only pretty much read contemporary romance like in your spare time, or do you have other genres that you kind of tend towards too?

SPEAKER_02

Um, yeah, I like Leah, I find it really difficult to read in my exact genre whenever I'm writing in it. Um, but that doesn't go for like romance as a whole. That's just like if I'm writing a whole hockey romance, it's hard to read another hockey romance or like uh like a rom-com or whatever. Um, but I I quite like like beach reads, like women's fiction-y beach reads, if I'm not in the mood for romance. And I've read a couple of thrillers recently, and those are kind of a nice change of pace, I think, um, from so much romance. Sometimes it's nice to read something different, but um yeah, I kind of like branching out a little bit. I really like specific types of nonfiction as well. Like not like not like dry nonfiction has gotta like grip me, but I think like psychological, I'm really interested in like how the brain works, stuff like that. Um, are always good reads for me. But yeah, I try, I try to read a little bit more diversely than just romance.

SPEAKER_01

It is my number one, of course. Thing. What thrillers have you read recently that are good? And I have not had luck in that area lately. I read a really fun one.

SPEAKER_02

It was called All the Other Mothers Hate Me. Um, and it was set in the UK, and it was about this like washed-up pop star who was like single mom raising um a kid in the UK. And I grew up in Northern Ireland, so like the UK culture is like very relatable to me. And they have like very, very fancy private schools there, and it is like I can just I've never had my kids in school there, my kids are at school here in Canada, but I can just imagine how much of a competition it is between the moms, like everything has to be perfect a certain way. Um, everyone's quite like snotty and classist, um, uh, or would have the stereotype of being that way. So it's all about how she doesn't fit in at this school, and her son is like kind of a delinquent, um, and this other kid that he hates in the class goes missing, and they think her son did something to him. So she has to like figure out where this missing kiddo is to like clear her son's name. It was really cute. That is wild.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, I really enjoyed Bishop to my TBR. I think you would like then um One of Us Is Dead by Geneva Rose. It is on my TBR. Okay, good. It is like one of my favorites of hers, and they're in like a hair salon, and it, yeah, it's really, really, really good. Okay, I'll move it out. Yeah. And then um for women's fiction, have you read Katherine Center? Yeah, I love her. Love her so much. Which one is your favorite? The bodyguard. The bodyguard's my favorite. I love it. We have you read The Bodyguard.

SPEAKER_00

I have. I loved The Bodyguard. That's the my only that's the only Catherine Center book I've read, though. I need to catch up on her backlist.

SPEAKER_01

Uh The Rom commerce and Things You Save in a Fire are probably like my other top two favorites that are really, really good.

SPEAKER_00

I have Things You Save in a Fire on my Kindle. And I also have The Other Mothers Hate Me on my Kindle because Katie recommended it like last year.

SPEAKER_01

And I was like, I'm gonna read that. And Leah, you typically read romanticy and contemporary romance, right?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I would say so. I've been really enjoying dystopian romance too. I feel like there's been more like I'm not a big YA reader, but there's been more like adult dystopian romance, and I've been really liking that. It kind of like gives you a break from like the typical kind of romanticy vibe, but still gives you that kind of like darker, grittier feeling. So I've been yeah, I I I kind of skip all over the place. How did you uh find dystopian romance? I think my first like adult dystopian romance was when Silver Elite came out. And then from there I kind of like started searching for it and I read Us Dark Few and Dagger Mouth. I think it's mostly been those three that I've read in like the last like six months or something. Um and I really enjoyed those a lot.

SPEAKER_01

Nice. I've seen them floating around, so now I know. That's it for today. Thanks for listening to Where I Left Off of Booker's Podcast. Visit Leah and Katie's sites, and you can follow them on social media and pre-order their novels through the links in the show notes. And you can also always find them on Kindle Unlimited, and Rival Season releases May 14th. Thank you so much. Thank you!