Welcome everyone to our Halloween episode. In this episode, it'll be the co-hosts to talk all things spooky in the film world. So we'll first introduce ourselves. I am one of the co-hosts, Tara Jabari, and I love horror films.

It's one of my favorite genres,  

I'm Candace another one of our three, um, rotating co-hosts. Um, I love Halloween. I come at the film thing more from loving Halloween and costumes and all of that. So I like Halloween movies, which does include some horror and thriller suspense type ones, but I'm not as obsessed with, uh, with horror as Tara, but I love Halloween.

I'm  Sandra. And unlike my other two co-host, I am not a fan of the horror, genre. I like the candy part of the Halloween, so I, I'm more of the suspense. Alfred Hitchcock and I would have to say, um, the Twilight Zone shows.

Mm-hmm. , which I would

you don't like gore then, right? It's

that's not for me and, and I know that some people love that. In fact, with, actually about a few years ago before the pandemic, they actually did a Wednesday one where people came to learn more about doing horror movie makeup, and the audience was packed. There were so many people who wanted to get into doing this type of makeup for the horror movie.

 We had done a, a short survey  before recording, and at the end we'll do shout outs to those who did the survey  so if you did the survey or if you're interested in knowing the results, be sure to listen to the whole episode.

But first I wanted to go over,  a personal anecdote of a horror film that you've been through  So I'll go first. The Exorcist. I remember. Uh, renting the VHS at Blockbuster when we were like 11 and the two girls sleeping over at my place were like, Oh, you haven't seen it.

You have to watch it. And for some reason, the vhs, it was definitely re wounded, because, be kind, rewind. And it started with a behind the scenes. So I actually watched all of the behind the scenes as it was like 20 minute documentary and then the film started and I'm like, What the hell are you guys bringing to me?

Her face, he turns, there were sexual innuendos that we didn't get cuz we were 11. And you know, like it was weird. I'm like, Oh, she looks like a spider going down the stairs. All sorts of stuff. I was terrified and I lasted about, well it's a long movie.  when she starts going up and down the bed is when I flipped out and I was like, Absolutely not.

And then years later I ended up, um, going to Georgetown University for graduate school. And my classes were always in car barn, which is right next door to the staircase, which is next door to the house.  So I have gone up and down those stairs and I'm like, it's not even scary to me.

It's, I'm just annoyed cause I have to get to class and there's no way to get down from Wisconsin. You have to go up the stairs and then, A couple years later, a friend of mine who also was traumatized by the Exorcist, she and I, had been living in DC and I've been living in Georgetown. So we rented the movie Bravely during Daylight and we watched it and now we call it a romantic comedy because I'm like, a lot of romantic comedies have copied this, Demonn is flirting with that priest so much.

Come on now. Um,

don't remember enough of the specifics, but I do know that for, for those of, uh, our listeners that aren't in the DC area, there are those, those famous exorcist steps. It's pretty much anyone who goes to Georgetown for the first time says, Have you seen the Exorcist steps? And I remember that was one of the first things I heard about that area as well.

So it's a notorious, notorious, uh, horror movie connection.

and that house has a huge gate because they've been bothered so much by fans and stuff, but it's a different, Yeah, so that's my personal antidote. I'm no longer scared of that movie. And also it did help to see like how they did the different makeup and, and the voice. Poor woman had to chain smoke and use a mic.

So then what's the point of the mic if anyway? So it kind of helped, but then I was older and wiser. So now, uh, Candice, do you wanna tell your

Sure. I mean, so I don't have a specific, uh, one necessarily, but I do know, speaking of what you were just kind of piggybacking off of what you said, I do remember growing up thinking. If a movie was ever too scary that I would just mute it and that I also liked learning about how, I mean, I've had a fascination with how films are made and created, um, my whole life.

So the behind the scenes really helps take the scary away from it when you, when you can kind of pause and sometimes think, Oh, look how they did that makeup. And if I can pull myself out of a film if I need to, if I'm starting to get a little too scared and muting it is always the best way to do it because I know that horror, the genre.

So firmly locked in sound like there's so much of the soundtrack builds the suspense and the fear and all of that. So I always had that as a security blanket of sorts if I got too scared. But that said, I have a very vivid imagination, so I always assumed I was going to be more scared by movies. I actually ended up being, when I started watching more horror movies, I was just kind of like, No, I don't think I'm gonna like it.

So I would avoid them cuz there's so many other films to watch. But then when I started watching them, and maybe I was older at the time too, um, they really didn't, they really don't scare me now. Um, I'm also very desensitized to the violence and, and, and gore at this point in my life. Although having said that, I do one, have a memory that's tied to a specific film, which is the sixth sense where when that came out, I was already a teenager, but I still remember that after the fact because it was kind of what I like to consider like slightly plausible, like psychological is more, that scares me way more than jump scares and gore.

Like if someone gets their head chopped off or whatever, who cares for me? But if it's something that feels like. A ghost or something like it, it scares me. So I do remember one time thinking about the movie right after seeing it and getting so petrified, peeking into the hallway outside of my bedroom and thinking, I remember in the movie, the, the, the ghosts and spirits or whatever you knew they were around if they were cold, like you could feel cold in the air.

So I was like, as long as I feel super hot, I'm safe. And so I just get really, really warm so that I could make sure that I wasn't gonna see some, some dead person walk down. So that's, that's . But now I watch it in all these other movies and even older ones and they, they don't really scare me now, but that's, that's my story.

That's a good one. I also wanted to prefix that there might be spoilers. I cannot control this conversation,

true. Well, we, we can do our best to not spoil things that have come out in the last, like few years, but things that have been out for decades. Um, I think though should be fair game at this point.

Sandra, what's your personal anecdote?

My personal anecdote is something that happened about 10 years ago. My brother-in-law and my and I were watching a movie that he had picked, The name of the movie is called The Devil, and there was this scene. You didn't know of all these six or seven people were in this elevator, Which one was the devil?

And then the lights would go out in this movie scene, and then someone would die. And you didn't know who did it, but everybody was in the elevator. And then one by one different people were dying because you didn't know which one was the devil. So I saw that movie. I was enormously scared. I didn't like it.

My brother-in-law thought it was hilarious. A few days later, I'm at Heathrow Airport on my way to go see my grandmother, and then in the airport at Heathrow, the elevator is going up and it suddenly stops.

Oh no.

and I just thought, Oh my God. I turned, I put my back up against the wall and I looked at all the people in the elevator and all I could sense was, Oh no, it's the Devil movie all over again.

And then finally even waited and waited. And then I thought, You know, it was gonna, the lights were gonna go out. What was gonna happen. Finally, after about 10 minutes, the elevator started working again. I got off. I took my suitcase. I ran towards the tube. Just to jump on. I was so scared.

man. Ooh. Well that's that. That'll really lock it in that that fear. , you were scarred.

wanna clarify that the movie's just called Devil, Not the Devil, cuz I was like, Oh, there's another movie, but

you're right.

devil and

Sorry, I didn't mean to mislead anybody on the different wrong movie title

worries. It's, I love it. And I actually thought I could introduce it to my mother who doesn't like horror films. I'm like, it's more like a thriller.

And she's like, I hate

No, definitely not.

it now.

It's so good.

but every time I go in an elevator and sometimes with my friend who I know, friends who love the movie too, we always look at each other when a bunch of strangers come in too and we're like, devil.

I also got super excited. I'm like, Sandra, did you see somebody from the movie? Cause I love those guys. Miss America. Well  mis congeniality. The woman who wins is in devil. Just so you know.

Okay,

I just spoiled a comedy. Not even the movies. They're like a horror movie. So, um, okay, so one of the, of the things that we wanted to do is also give some facts and Sandra, you kindly did some research.

About the horror genre and uh, and stuff like that. Can you share what you found?

Well, the horror movie genre exact is according to the rap, is a billion dollar industry. This is as of 2017. So one of the things is that the. Genre itself is pretty easy to do,  and put, so it doesn't cost a lot to make these movies.  so that's one of the reason why some people when they first get into the business will make these movies because they're fairly,  cost effective to make.

So it's a billion dollar industry. And it's not a lot of output by big name actors, um, or big name, uh, location places is.

 So the first Halloween, uh, film that was out with Jamie Lee Curtis, that was in 1979, and that movie, it cost. $325,000 to make that movie. And then it ended up making $47 million US Box

At that, at that

at that time. It took, it took over 17 days  to shoot 47 million US Box office.

Wow. And, and it launched the career of Jamie Lee Curtis. 

Yes. Mm.

And yeah, she's been, uh, all the promotions that we've seen for the most recent one, which ends that franchise, of which, uh, Do you know how many movies are in that one?

I think.

13, I believe.

Yeah. It's like a lot of movies.

Meyers, the killer in that one is in a coup, like a couple other franchises, but I thought Halloween and Michael Meyers, or maybe it was just with Lori. The Jamie Leers. There's six, I think. Anyway, it's a lot.



Right, and And she's saying it is the last one. So a couple weeks ago she was on one of the late night shows, Jimmy Kimmel, and he had her sign some documents saying, Yes, this is the last one. I will not be in any more Halloween films, but.

well they're certainly wrapping it up nicely because all of the promos are about sort of the touching

But have you guys watched it?

I've seen the original Halloween. Um, I have, I might have seen one of the others in between. I think that they're, as someone who has a pretty discriminating taste on quality of films, a lot of horrors to me.

I find them. Boring and, and stupid. Um, so it was a little bit slow. It didn't really hold up for me. And, and if again, at this point, if, if horror films, because of how spoiled we've gotten in recent days of like, um, realism, like I just watched Psycho, uh, the other day kind of to prepare for this. And to me the, the absurdly sterile.

Violence. Just, I, I, it's hilarious To me it becomes more of a comedy. I'm like, Wow, Three drops of blood and you were stabbed to death. Okay, sure, sure, sure. So, to, to me, it's like a lot of those older ones, older movies at the time, I'm sure were great successes and like a whole shocking thing. But coming at it now, it's really hard for me to take them seriously.

So I'll appreciate parts of it, but I'm not even remotely scared.

Can I just give you one trivia question on the Halloween franchise, So which Housewife of Beverly Hills starred in the original Halloween and is in also Halloween end?

Ooh, I don't watch the Real Housewives stuff.

I don't watch it either. But I did watch Hollywood Ends and I will be proud to say that it sucked, um, Uh, so it was really disappointing. Um, I don't know who's

So in the original Halloween, um, Lori goes to babysit two kids. Well, the little girl is Kyle Richards, and then she is in a very small scene in Halloween and, and she's wearing bangs, which is not normally what she wears. So anyway, it's Kyle Richards.

Oh, that's the, I like that.

I appreciate the book ending that this franchise is doing that. It's keeping certain things throughout.

They tried it with Halloween H two O

That's one I saw, I

That's with Josh Hartnett and Michelle Williams and it was fine. And then they brought it back and said that never happened. And so they did the last, these last three films with Jamie Lee Curtis. Um, but yeah, it was a d One of the problems with these franchises is, um, I will say this, it's not slight spoiler.

They introduced a whole new character in Halloween ends, and it concentrates on this character's. For the majority of the film only that they die. And I'm like, Okay, so then what was the point?

Mm-hmm.

Versus if you're gonna make a conclusion about the family, like the Myers family,

Mm-hmm.

um, and stuff. So it, it was bizarre.

I was like, I, because I prepped to watch it for this, so I'm disappointed.

I have seen quite a lot of, um, well I've seen a ton of movies, but I've seen a decent amount of Halloween movies. So that actually is kind of a segue into, I know what we're gonna talk about, um, coming up is, um, you know, this time of year you have all these channels and networks doing, you know, 31 days of Halloween and there's all these Halloween and horror movies, and I've seen.

Maybe about half of the ones that, um, come out. And, cuz I do like Halloween movies so Nightmare before Christmas. And you know, I'll, I'll watch all of them. Um, I've seen a lot of the ones like Hocus Pocus, Hocus Pocus, Two Beetle Juice, you know, um, which is practical Magic. Like, there's so many things that are not scary horror films, but they are specifically Halloween films.

And I tend to like those a little bit better also, maybe because they're not the like sort of quick, you know, Thrasher.

Hmm.

Corny kind of horror thing where there's maybe just not as much emphasis on quality or or entertainment, but I don't know. But to me, I like when the humor is intentional and not there because it's just so bad.

Yeah, I guess well, we'll get into some of these, uh, lists that talk about some of the best horror films. Some are, a lot of these are indie films that I appreciate because it, it's more internal struggles or psychological and that. Messes you up that more than if it's just stab. Stab, bloody, bloody. Um, but Sandra, did you have any other kind of fun facts to share?

Um, well actually, uh, Candace mentioned Psycho and I did wanna mention there was a remake of Psycho Done about 1990. So that started, uh, the Norman Bates character was Vince Vaughn. Um, and then, um, the Janet Lee character who turns is Jamie Lee Curtis's mother, um, that char that in the remake in 1998. Anne Hay



a shot by shot remake, and it just,

Mm-hmm.

It doesn't work out. They all admitted it too. Julian Moore is in it all sorts. And you would be like, How can this suck? It worked before and

I mean, I'll tell you, I'll tell you why. I mean, I don't know if it's spoilers, but the whole, the story itself was just really dumb. I mean, I remember watching it going in with pretty neutral expectations. Um, you know, watching it, getting ready for this and seeing some others. I was like, I gotta.

Check off a few more of the classics and like, there's all this, there's like a dumb plot point that doesn't mean anything at the beginning and the character's just kind of an idiot. Like, um, just to me, I just was so frustrated by so much of it being just a horrible story. I do think that the guy who played Norman Bates did a really good job and, you know, there were, there were, um, You know, cute actors, uh, and some, some interesting things about it.

And I can appreciate that at that time how some things were really risque and, and all that. But I just, the, the story itself to me was just not good. So if you're making it again in this day and age, and you're doing shot for shot, like you're not improving on the story anymore, I don't know why you wouldn't take it as an opportunity to improve

that's the thing, it was one of the first films where Janet Lee was the biggest star out there. And then you kill her within the first 30 minutes and you're like, Well, then what the hell did I just sign up for?  So that was a shock. But when you're making a remake of such, Thing.

You're like, Well obviously Anne Hay's just gonna not go past the 30 minute mark. And shocker,  That happens. You know, cuz it's a shot for shot remake. I will say that, um, one of the films that came up this year called Barbarian, it reminds me of Psycho because you think you're watching one.

and then it turns into something else and it far exceeded our expectations, and we're like, I, I don't even wanna tell you more about it. If you really like horror films, this is one for the books. And it, it is now being considered one of the best horror films ever made,  

I, I really, really loved Get Out. Um, I thought, Nope, was terrible, but I really loved Get Out. Um, you know, like, I also, to be honest, I don't know if it's considered a horror, but I, I really loved promising young women.

To me, that was a horror film.

I loved that

It was so good. And so I, I, and like, I like the nuance of some of the ones That came out recently and that was pretty good. And, you know, it, it where, or, or like a twisty thing, like some of the Cloverfield things where it's like a different take or, or even I can appreciate and respect when Blair Witch Project came out that it was a whole new style.

So like, I really, I think I, I even watched some of hereditary, but to me it was like, yeah, not that great. Um, it was kind of shock value on some things, but I knew, I knew it was gonna be

a very internal, like it makes you question yourself and your own family, and I think that's harder for to pull. It's also one of the things is when people start talking about it, seen by scene, shot by shot, it ruins the movie. When you finally watch it,

Mm-hmm. . Well, I think it could go either way. Yeah. I think if you're, I, I like to watch films fresh, but sometimes if it wasn't the, Hearing more and understanding and contextualizing things and getting a little bit more behind the scenes on it sometimes will improve it and then you watch it again and you appreciate it a little bit more.

Um, but especially when it's things that like twists and turns are part of the enjoyment of watching something. Yeah. If, if something's gonna come out and there's gonna be some twist. I definitely try to see it before too many people ruin it. You know, it's like, you know, I wanna be able to safely move about the internet without any spoilers.

So I try to watch things fast, uh, if it is gonna be a big, a big thing like that.

and, and going back to the, the.  and a lot of people got their start in horror. Mostly actors I think. But a good challenge for writers and directors and,

Mm-hmm.  makeup artists and costume. Yeah.

all that because it's there. I was always taught like. It's a hard thing to pull off. So if you do get it right, congrats.

If you do it wrong, people who love the genre will still love it cuz they love to hate these movies too. So you, there's a kind of a win-win. And also, um, famously, so Halloween was super cheap to make and Blue Box Office records. Blair Witch Project and Paranormal Activity both of which  were handheld cameras.

Well, actually, and I think the Blair Witch Project was actually done here in Montgomery County, in the state of Maryland. From what I, I remember, Yes. Mm-hmm.

 So, um, we did a little bit of a list of some  famous Halloween liked theme films like Edward Scissor Hands, Hocus Pocus,

That was fun. Mm-hmm.

Beetle Juice, Ghostbusters,

Ghostbusters. Yeah. Classic.

uh, um, Buffy the Vampire Slayer. So you, have you guys seen all of.

I haven't seen Buffy, cuz I'm not a Buffy fan.

Oh, I loved that movie

well see to me, and then I, I don't know if it's, if I'm gonna sound like a snob or anything here, but, uh, to me Buffy is in that category of like the sort of. Lower quality TV show type things where like, you know, like CW Network had a lot of things where, you know, there, there's people that love, uh, soap operas, right?

And it, to me, kind of feels like some horror movies where it's kind of fast and cheap, but people like it for different reasons. Um, I don't like them . Um, and then there are some TV shows that, uh, I feel like there's not as high a production quality value or just a, a lower quality. And to me, I don't like them as much.

So it's like a taste thing. So there are some really, really popular, you know, See franchises and things like that  in the TV world that have also gone over to, to film. Like even Dr. Who I'm like, eh, it's not really for me, but I, I could understand that if people get really into it, they like it for other reasons and there's kind of loyalty to that.

Um, I just never got into it, so I had no real reason to watch Buffy The Vampire Slay, and there's so many things that come out in the genre. That I would honestly be more inclined to watch like the kids' movies for Halloween, cuz I think some kids' movies are fantastic. Um, so like I would watch things like that more so than, than Buffy, 

So really quickly, cuz it came out this year, did you guys all see Hocus Pocus

I have not seen Hocus POCUS two yet, but I did like hocus pocus one,  

I re-watched Hocus Pocus in preparation for this,  and it's such a delightful film. And then I watched Hocus Pocus two the next day. It's not a bad movie in my opinion, but it does not match with Hocus pocus. It is not their Godfather part two, let's just put it that way.

Well, it's funny cuz I didn't rewatch hocus pocus the first one. Um, I've, because it comes out every October all over the place. Um, I've seen snippets of it again over the last few years and to me I'm like, eh, it's whatever. And so I went into hos pocus too with very low expectations and was pleasantly surprised that it wasn.

Bad as I was bracing for. 

So Sandra and listeners, if you haven't seen Hocus Posi, maybe watch it, but don't re-watch the first one right before, because then you'll be disappointed.

Sure, yeah. Leave it at that. I think the, in the new one, like the, the casting of the, of the younger versions of the sisters was really great and you know, they had, I, I'm always, I'm always like looking at the casting and the sets and all that stuff cuz you know, we are, we're the, we're the media maker types.

That's what we do.

Well, so we also have a couple lists of best horror films in the last

Ooh, cool.

12, 20 10 to present day. Um,

got a few there

and I'll go really

Yeah. No, that sounds

a quiet place.

Quiet place. I saw the first one. Yes, Yes, yes.

I saw, I saw both of those and I thought they were very,

They're well done, Uh, hereditary

I saw, uh, I honestly, I think I saw most of it and I ended up having to, to leave cuz I wasn't even supposed to be in the theater then. Um, so, uh, , um, and so I had a, a friend explain the last, like 30 minutes of it and I was like, Oh yeah, I'm kind of glad I didn't sit through the rest of that. It just seemed like it got more and more and more bizarre.

But I did get through the, you know, the shocking, the shocking scene that people talk about, you know, Which I won't spoil. I'm not gonna spoil cause it's too recent, but yeah, I

but it is, uh, the reviews are saying it's a truly scary look at grief, depression, and family. Uh, so if you have family issues, maybe don't watch it. If you do and you want some catharsis, I

Tara, everyone has some sort of family issue.

It's, this one's a whole other realm of its own. Um, Cam is a Netflix original.

Do you guys know about this? It's an indie film and I haven't watched it, but I've wanted to. And it's a girl who wants to be a camera girl. Um,

cam girl.

you know, like, uh, only fans before, only fans. Um, so you can see her life and stuff. Um, because I studied how technology and media has impacted our lives. More digital age, so I'm intrigued by that.

But yeah, I haven't seen it and I've been wanting to, um, Gerald's game, the Stephen King book turned film that came out on Netflix, It's considered one of the best Stephen King novels

Hmm.

horror films, and it came out, I think, uh, two, three years ago. It's

Well, just to, just to say, I mean, Stephen King, that brings up, I mean obviously you have, you know, Alfred Hitchcock movies and then you also have Stephen King movies. Like, there's definitely the M Night Shalon movies, there's all these, uh, creators of the stories, um, that are there kind of franchise in and of itself.

You know, like that, that particular director or whatever.

Um, it comes at night, which is a post apocalyptic horror film.

Hmm. I think I've heard of it, but I haven't

I, funny story, so my f. Friends and I love horror films. We hadn't watched a horror film in a theater together before, so we were like so excited. We're gonna go watch this. And we wanted to get scared and jump scares. This is not the, that movie, so we came out disappointed.

But it is a good movie. Uh, just don't expect to get

Yeah, cuz there is that, there is that difference between jump scare. And psychological scares. And that's the thing, the, the jump scares. it reminds me of any time I've gone through a haunted house or a Halloween Horror nights or whatever,  I'm constantly bracing for the jump scare and, and like waiting and assuming where it might be.

So when it happens, it's not quite as much, but then you kind of get excited when someone does get you like, ah, well done, You know, it's a challenge. Um, but yeah, that's not as scary. It's more of like a quick. Release of in, of, of, uh, endorphins or whatever. And then after that, uh, it, it dissipates. But the psychological ones, that's the one where you watch it, don't really care so much then, and it's a slow burn.

It'll get you later , 

Well, so one that I agree should and did win Best original screenplay Get Out

Yeah. Get out I thought was really, really good, 

But, um, Get out. What I really appreciate when you hear about how he, do you guys know how he thought of the film?

Hm.

which I thought was quite interesting, and this is why I like learning these facts because as a storyteller you hear how people get inspired to write these. So Jordan Peele is now married, um, to, I think her name's Chelsea Peretti, who is a white woman and he is black.

But when they were dating, He had the same conversation that's in the film where he's like, do your parents know that I'm black? She's like, I didn't tell them, but do you want me to? Um, and so that was one thing. And then it was around the time that, um, for his first term, uh, President Barack Obama had won the election, and people naively would go and they're like, Racism is over.

And he's like, It is not over by any means. So these two, not even a little bit, and so these two kind.  things that were happening on. He, he created Get Out, um, which is a interracial couple. Go visit his white girlfriend's family and things go weird. Uh, and it's very well done, but I really liked that.

Seemingly like a presidential election, your personal life, you know, they can like to combine it and then it speaks to so many other people. I thought was a really great example of why stories are great and films

Mm-hmm. . Oh yeah.

The Witch. Um, it's a very, uh, um, I've seen it. I was bored and I get yelled at when I say that.

Um, people love it.

I know the feeling cuz I do that with a lot of classics. I'm like, eh, it kind of sucked. And they're like, What? But it's so good, So

 Um, trained to Busan, which is a South Korean film, which is a zombie film.

It is. I've seen it multiple times. I love it. And there was a sequel and I need to get my hands on it.

I do, uh, speaking of zombies, I do remember really liking World War Z and Zombieland

Oh yeah.

and, the, warm bodies was also really cute based on Romeo and Juliet, but also involving zombies,

 So would you consider that kind of like your Halloween fun

that's, that's a, a thing I wanted to kind of bring up is, you know, when you think of Halloween movies, obviously you've got horror, but then when you think of the other ones, there's kind of those classic costumes, you know, like, which Ghost, zombie, vampire, you know, And those, once you start doing some of those, that's how you get a lot of.

Halloween que movies, you know, like anything involving vampires or werewolves are ghosts or, you know, then it's, it automatically becomes a Halloween movie because it's one of the sort of, uh, top five of, of classic costumes. You know,

Yeah.

I'm, I'm gu Sure. If there's something involving pumpkins, it would be a Halloween movie as well, because that is the symbol of Halloween.

I'm just gonna mention, uh, the, So a Girl Walks Home Alone at Night is a, is a Vampire movie that came out in the last 10 years and it's an a Persian speaking film.

mm-hmm.

I have seen it and something that took me out of it, it's supposed to take place in Iran. They filmed it in Southern California, cuz we call it terans.

Anyway, there's a lot of us there. Um, and so it kind of bugged me and my cousin and I were watching it and we're like, I cannot get into this because women, you're saying you have to wear a veil cuz you're in Iran. No you're not. You're in San Diego. I don't know if they're in San Diego, but you know what I, So it took me out of that film, sort of like how Candace you were.

Like, if I. I

Yeah, it's really hard to ignore some of those things. I mean, and also, I don't know if you guys get this as well, but from places living in, in the DC area, you know, a lot of times it's one of the towns in, in that gets into media a lot, you know, and movies set here, just like a lot of things are set in New York or whatever.

So people in small towns might not. Same issue, but we, we are constantly, when something is set where you live, you're constantly checking to see if it's accurate. And so sometimes you're like, Oh my gosh, that jog is completely impossible. You know? So it's those types of things that you have that you know, you really need to work harder to suspend your disbelief on, and it can really draw you out of the film.

Um, but I did wanna say with the, the foreign film aspect that, yeah, there's, there's a lot of great ones. I know you've seen a lot of them. I'd like to see more. So I'd love to get some recommendations for you from you.

we got, uh, that coming up in the surveys, and I just wanted to say like Halloween, the original is supposed to take place in the suburbs of Chicago, and the second she goes outside of her high school, it's like in five minutes there's palm trees and we're like bs. There are no palm trees in

right? Cuz she's wearing like a sweater and she's wearing plaid and Yeah. They've got these old cars that, you know, they say they

Yeah. Halloween time would be a lot where yeah, you, you wouldn't just walk around in a, in a t-shirt or a button down shirt, like a one character for a while, even if it is just a brisk walk.  

there were so many lists of the best horror films of all times. Some things will keep coming up, so I'll just really quickly name them. Um, The Shining

Mm-hmm.  Classic. Yeah, that was good.

Psycho, the Exorcist Alien Jaws, Silence of the Lambs, Rosemary's Baby. , and then you get into, would you guys agree that these are pretty good,

Yeah, I mean I haven't seen a couple of them, but I mean I, Anything that really gets the suspense going, like Jaws did a really good job, obviously, which I love that half, the reason it was so suspenseful was because the animatronic shark didn't work as often as they wanted it to. So they had to do a lot more building with the, like, just not knowing what's there.

And that's the thing, the human mind can make things way scarier. Seeing something. So that's why the, the sound is so important, um, in these as well. It like gets your heart racing and what you're imagining is always way worse than what it is, you know, in life in general half the time. 

One film that, uh, it creeps coming up and I finally actually watched in a couple years ago, is the thing with Kurt Russell.  have you guys seen?

Is that, Well, there isn't there also like the original, like the. From way, B way

Yeah. Is that a remake of like a fifties movie that they did a remake recently and apparently it's terrible. I haven't watched it, but the one with Kurt Russell, they're in like Antarctica and an alien has come there and now is can he's, It's the thing that can transform into anybody, but then they realize that the blood.

Reacts differently to something. So

That's another thing. Anything involving aliens is also considered a Halloween movie,

yeah, , So, so one of the, the most anticipating things is they're like, We will test each other's blood on this little thing. And you don't, it's not gory cause well if you hate the site of blood, but it's literally just a little bit of prick on the finger and then they all bleed a little bit.  and then you're waiting one by one, whose blood would we react or does any of them?

screen came up. I love it. And it, you know,

Oh, yeah. I never saw any of those screen movies. I think that was

Drew Barrymores. Yeah.

Yeah, I feel like I should cuz they're, because they're classic, but I, I feel like when they were coming out was when I was very staunchly in this, eh, horror, scary movies aren't

How

I just

you, Candace.

I've watched so many other movies.

I was just watching other

films have beautiful sweaters. Yes, they get soaked in blood, but they have the most gorgeous sweaters.

if there's more blood, it sounds like something I would enjoy

Um, and it kind of had a fun, you know, it talks. All the classics from the seventies and eighties and stuff like that. Um,

I'll, I'll watch them. I th this doing this special, this Halloween special has reinvigorated my, um, need to watch a lot of the classics. Um, Yeah. Cuz this time of year they all come back out in

I, I'll mention a couple of the Alfred Hitchcock classics. There's, uh, Strangers on a Train, 1951. There's the Birds from 1963 North by Northwest with Carrie Grant. Um, there's rope, uh, 1948 where the murder happens in the first five seconds. They put the body in the trunk and then ask the parents to come over for dinner when their son's in the trunk dead.

Uh, there's vertigo, Dial M for murder. Rear window. Rear window is, uh, Jimmy

Oh, that's a great

I've seen

Grace Kelly has the most amazing clothes in that one. And that actually is supposed to take place in an apartment complex here in Washington, dc. Um, and then of course there's Psycho. So those are just a couple of those that you know to mention that our

 there's so many films in the world, , you know, so many, so you can pick a genre and just, you'd never, you'd never finish seeing them all, no matter what. I mean. It's just, it's really hard. But I will, I promise you guys, I will watch more horror movies and just thriller and suspense and Halloween movies.

well. I wanted to go through the survey.

yeah. Tell us about the survey. What did people say?

so first I'm gonna ask you guys the question you'll answer really quickly and then I'll give you guys some of the top answers. Your favorite horror franchise, they were Friday the 13th, Conjuring saw Jaws Nightmare on Elm Street. Other

Uh, for me, No,

cuz I'd, I don't know,

I'm gonna have to take a pass on.

Okay, well, Friday the 13th got the most votes. Uh, and then Jaws, then Nightmare on Elm Street and others came up were scream, which I now saying it, I was like, oh duh. Um,

should have put that on the survey. Yeah.

uh, Halloween. Actually, I think Halloween was a question. I forgot about that. Um, and actually somebody put, you know what? Mortal remains because the sequel is coming.

 I did a little research and the person who wrote that in is one of the producers of Mortal Remains and it's coming up. So good job. It's on cryptic pictures.com if you wanna know more. Um, alright. Your favorite non-car, but Halloween like movie Casper Hocus Bos Beetle Juice, Practical Magic Harry Potter franchise the night before Christmas.

Oh, I like the Harry Potter franchise. I could definitely watch those. Mm-hmm. ? Yes.

Yeah, that's, that's a hard one. I, I'm terrible at picking favorites. I'd say it's maybe of those options, um, uh, a tie between the Harry Potter films Practical, Magic and Nightmare Before Christmas,  

I would say hocus Focus was mine, but Harry Potter was number one. And then Hocus Focus, Beetle Juice and Practical Magic.  and Nightmare before Christmas, all were tied. Uh, so that was interesting. Some other films that came up was ParaNorman, Poltergeist, Young Frankenstein and Adam's Family.

Mm-hmm. . Oh yeah. Adam's family's a classic as well.

So then no one mentioned, uh, interview with a vampire that wasn't mentioned?

 they're redoing that as a, as a series now. And I feel like vampire, are like very trendy. Well, they're, they're pretty classic. They've always been around. You've got true blood and vampire, you know, as the whole thing too, coming back and, um, there's all sorts of classic vampire movies.

I hesitate to say twilight cuz they're just so lame. But apparently those are vampires too. Um, yeah, but there's, there's all these, Yeah, I'm sorry if you're not eating people, You're not a vampire, but like, it's just,

Um,

it's, there's all of those, um, There's a ton. Like vampires have been one of, I think one of the most classic and sustaining of all of those.

I mean from like, you know, Nora and Dracula and like all these things going like original vampire movies all the way up to now, it's constantly a steady, it's like a really good staple of the Halloween time genre because vampires are sort of, you know, get the sexy part too, you know, So it keeps. In that whole, Cause I will say horror oftentimes pairs with, um, like sex appeal stuff too.

There's usually like, you know, a shirt rips off and you got boobs as well as as blood. You know, there's always, there's always that kind of element of like sex with horror. You see a, a lot

for those who are listening, you guys can't watch this, but Sandra has just been nodding no

Yeah. Shaking her head this whole time. Yeah. Not, not her jam. So we, Sandra's Sandra's representing people that, you know, have to survive the Halloween October onslaught of horror and, and Halloween films when it's not everyone's cup of tea.

Do you guys have a favorite horror theme? The options were sci-fi slash aliens, Supernatural slasher, or other.

I'd say, I'd say thriller, like things that are good suspenseful, um, is, is probably, is probably good cuz then it involves some psychological stuff, I

I would agree that would be my favorite. Sandra?

Yes. And that's one of the reasons why I like that. Alfred Hitchcock, the suspense, uh, I do like those. And, and any Agatha Christie, you know, then there were none where, you know, the 10 people are on that house out in the middle of the island, and one by one they're knocked off. 

Yeah, uh, a couple. So sci-fi got number one, supernatural number two, but other ones that came up were psychological thrillers and home invasions. That was another one, which is a good one. Uh, it's just scary cuz it could happen and that I don't

mm-hmm.

I think I'm gonna go through this list, uh, because some of these I. Scene, but I've heard of, uh, your favorite foreign horror film because don't let subtitles ruin the movie for ya.

that goes for all genres. People. There are great, great films that you should, you should watch.

Which actually Parasite, which is a South

Oh, I really liked that one.

that came up and I was like, Is that a horror?

Yeah. I mean, it's a suspenseful. Yeah. And there's, there's, there's violence in it, there's suspense, there's,

I love it. I watched it four times. Um,

stuff. Yeah. I, I think, I mean, honestly, it's a pretty low, low bar to make it to be a, a horror

I guess so, cuz I didn't even consider it cuz my personal favorite horror films are, um, Foreign horror films, Rec and Rec two as in record, but it's R E c and it's Spain Spanish. It's so good. Ugh. They did an American remake. It sucks. Don't watch it. Um, but

most of the times the original is the best. So

the original and a solid sequel.

And then  One of my favorite twists, which I won't ruin it to for you guys, but you could watch it on YouTube Shutter, which is from Thailand. Uh, and it was made like in 2001 and I called the main character back street because he had the, the like Backstreet Boys in sync hair with his hair kind of like long and covering his eyes.

And he's super cute, but there's, every time he takes a photo, there's a ghost that's haunting him. And so I was like, back street, watch out, you know, And so, but they did do actually four remakes, three in India and one American. Um, and I haven't gotten my hands on them, but also they all got terrible reviews.

Shutter is really a great film. Um, but if I keep talking about it, I will spoil it  Some other ones train to Busan again. I love it. South Korean. A lot of Korean films come up. Um, Piggy, which actually came out this year, I, I had just seen the trailer, but I hadn't seen it.

It's from, funny games, which is Austria, and it, there is an American remake. I refuse to watch it. It's not funny at all. Um, Eyes Without a Face, which is from Italy and it's pretty old. Um,  Nosferatu. The original is from Germany, Old Boy, which again, I was like, Is that a so horror film?

Uh, South Korean.

I mean, you could just say all of the Black Mirror episodes are horrors then too.

Yeah, well, but old boy, wild twist. If you don't know it, I won't be the one to tell you it. Um, hostile, which I was like, hold up. I think that's Eli Roth, which is United States. I checked. It is United States, but also Czech Republic and it's one of the slasher films. I don't really like those, so I haven't watched it.

Thirst, which is South Korean. This one bugged me. You'll know a girl walks home alone at night is not Iran , she's British. A British Iranian woman who filmed in the United States, but it's supposed to take place in Iran, but okay, whatever. Um, the cabinet of Dr. Kelly Gary, which is a German film, I had never heard of it. Um, The orphanage, which is from Spain. It is a great one. It's sad. Uh, that's why I was like, Oh my gosh, yes, that's a great one. But it's sad. Ringo, which is Japanese, and there is a American roommate called Ring the Ring and Rash, Rash Shaman, which

Oh, I saw that one, right? That, that, that one that, that's ke sorrow, right? Ke I'm saying his name.

And you're the one who told me this, so I edited it.

Yeah, I've seen that. That's fantastic. Yes. Mm-hmm.

um, so there's a couple of like, go-to favorite horror films for me. I will say the others. Rosemary's baby, 28 days later. Conjuring one and two, Rec one and two. What about you guys?

Uh, well just to finish the foreign film thing, um, one of the ones that, uh, I really liked  I think it's called Let the Right One in.

Yeah.

It's, uh, it's, it's kind of a. Vampire thing. Yeah. And they, they remade it. They remade it, I think for the US and I, I might have seen it, but it was definitely way worse than the original.

Cause the original is

into a show that's coming

Yeah, the original is, is much better. I really liked it. I thought it was really well done.

Yeah, I can't remember which. It's European,  

I don't know if I could say that I have a favorite of the horror genre.

Um, also because, who knows me knows I hate picking favorites. I'm so bad at picking favorites because I've, I'm always like, it depends on my mood and it depends  On the genre. It depends on this, and it depends on, I'm always the, it depends. I can't just pick the one favorite, like all of my movies across time.

I have to have a unranked top 15 or something all the time. Um, so yeah, I don't, I don't have a favorite of that, but I will. Halloween. The holiday is my favorite holiday.

There you go. See, that's an interest. Sandra, do you have one that you're like, If I have. Watch a scary movie. This is the one I go to.

I wouldn't say that I have any one particular favorite, but I'm gonna toss out another movie that was, had a lot of. In it, and that is Black Swan, uh, starring, uh, Natalie Portman and, and Mila Kunu. Um, again, that, that suspense, uh, aspect of it is what I, uh, gravitate towards.

Yeah. That was really good. I liked that one.

Well, this is a interesting, I asked for the scariest moment or jump scare in a movie. It didn't necessarily have to be a horror film, but the one, there are two that I have. One of mine comes up three times, um, which is the Exorcist three. The second one apparently is so bad. I didn't even watch it. Nobody should watch it.

Apparently. The third one, everyone. Is wonderful and there is a g or a GIF of the jump scare. A nun comes out of nowhere in a hospital. It's terrifying. It's awesome. And that came up in the survey. Um, Jaws coming out of the water, um, Deep Blue Sea where Samuel Jackson gets eaten. That's a spoiler, but it is a really good one.

I was like, Oh, I guess you could say Deep Blue Sea is scary movie

I mean, anytime it's really calm and quiet and then they really get you, you

Yeah, there was this one scene in Jurassic Park, I think it's the first one, and Wayne Newman, I can't think of what his character is, but he's sitting in the car and the baby Jurassic dinosaur, all of a sudden he's about to eat. You know, he jumps outta nowhere, and I'm telling you, I was in the movie theater and I literally jumped outta my seat and I think the baby dinosaur eats, eats him or something,

It's similar or something. Well, The Shining came up on a couple of times. It's Johnny, Here's Johnny. Um, but also when Danny turns the corner and sees the twins at the end of the hallway that came up, uh, the ending of Carrie with the arm out of the ground. Um, and then I did wanna share, this movie is terrible, but I, the trailer was one of my favorites.

It's called The Hatred. And it came out, um, not too long ago, and it's a babysitter. The, this is the trailer. And I was like, I gotta watch this. Baby story gets called up. The little girl's like there someone under the bed, you have to check please. She's like, There's no such thing as like, all right, I will check under the bed to keep you safe.

So she looks under the bed and it's the little girl. And the little girl's like, That's not me.

Oh yeah, it's, it's a good preview for a horror

That's a good, So I watched it and I'm like, What is this bs? It was awful. I lasted 10 minutes and the reviews get so funny. It's called The Hatred, and no one likes it. It ended up being Nazis. Why? And it takes place in 2017.

What?

Hey, Nazis are back. I don't know. It's,

It

never, they never left. I don't know.

Um, but anyway. At the end, I just wanted to share the shoutouts for people who took the survey and anything that they wanted to say. So Rod, uh, brass. Bryce Haley, Doug Ryan, Thank you for taking the survey. Um, Joe Jic, uh, he was saying he's working on a horror movie, Domic. So keep an eye out for that.

Mark Richie, who is one of the producers for Mortal Remains, uh, asks, Do you remember Carl Atticus? I checked that has to do with this sequel, um, picture this video.net was asked to be promoted. Um, and it is by a whiff member. Uh, and they do great work. Um, Katie from one more round, the Rocky Series podcast.

Thank you Katie for taking this. She and I have been on a podcast called The Jacked Up Review Show, um, and her podcast is really interesting. It's about the Rocky film franchise. Uh, Ann Saul of Saul. Good Media. She says Life is scary enough. I'll watch the kids' movies. And Tanya Fitzpatrick is the founder of World Footprints, a socially conscious travel platform helping to alleviate a fear of traveling in today's some.

Scary world. And Celia uh, says Hi. She is seen in Walking Dead World Beyond. And thank you all for taking the survey. I really appreciate, it some of these things that came up. I was like, Oh my gosh, and I'm glad I'm not the only one to get scared of the nuns. Uh, seen in Exorcist three. Do you guys have any last words?

Um, I was just gonna say based on a couple of shoutouts was also another, uh, reminder that Yeah, the, the, the world itself is pretty, pretty scary these days, or it can be, and it has been, especially through some bad times. So that is part of why I didn't watch as many horror films because I wanted happy, light, fluffy escapism for a while there.

Um, but now I'm, uh, very much gonna get back on the. Watching all the types train.  this has been a lot of fun.  constantly, there's so many things you can think of . As soon as you start thinking of what is a Halloween movie or a horror movie? A million things start trickling in. Like partway through I was like, Oh, the craft, and like all these different things just pop into your mind.

And so I'm gonna keep thinking about stuff and, and being like, I've seen so many things and there's all this horror and suspense. So it is a very. F uh, bountiful, uh, subject area or, or genre. So

I

think anyone can find what they like, whether they like fun and fluffy, cute comedy kid, adult horror, gory, sky, you know, it's, it.

I love that it is a genre that you can find anything. I mean, even Sandra, who hates this genre, loves suspense and likes Hitchcock films. So it's like, there's always, there's always a little, there's a slice, there's a lane in this, in this whole world for

And a counter-argument, to your point, Candace, as like when life gets you down, you can watch a horror film and you're like, Thank God I'm not then

That's true, that's true. You can watch something and be like, Well, it's not that like, uh, not to ruin some things, but for example, Fresh, which I brought up, was just another reminder to be like, You know what, maybe if you don't get a date, that's fine, because, uh,

That is also one of the better

could go horribly awry. So yeah,

All right, Sandra, Any last words?

I would say I'm glad this episode of the Horror Genre is over and I'm looking forward to talking about holiday films coming up in December.

Yes. Thank you all for listening. Thank you to my co-hosts.  we'll be back to, to get to know each other more

Yeah, so I hope you guys have gotten to know us, your hosts a little bit better as well, cuz you know, we're spending most of our time highlighting the guests and this is an opportunity for us to get to share a little bit more of our own personalities. Um, and also I would just like to say happy Halloween to everyone.

I hope

the Halloween.

have fun,