Danielle P. Testimony

What happens when faith, art, and personal discovery intersect in unexpected ways? Join us as we sit down with Danielle, an inspiring artist and storyteller, who shares her journey from Illinois to Arizona and the transformative experiences that have shaped her life. Alongside my son and co-host Rowdy, we reminisce about the nostalgia-filled days of growing up in Gilbert, Arizona, and dive into the profound impact of community and faith in overcoming life's challenges. Danielle's story is a testament to the power of testimonies in inspiring faith and bringing people together.

Together, we explore the rich tapestry of faith traditions, from Catholicism to evangelical Christianity, and how these spiritual paths have influenced Danielle's personal identity. Music, particularly the surprising role of Christian metal, emerges as a powerful force in shaping faith experiences and fostering growth. Danielle opens up about her transition to becoming a stay-at-home parent, highlighting the sacrifices and rewards of prioritizing family and the strength found in community support when facing life's hurdles.

Danielle's artistic journey serves as a conduit for spiritual growth, offering a unique perspective on how creative expression can convey faith and positivity. Through stories of courage, purpose, and the importance of serving others, we celebrate the unexpected connections faith can foster. As we uncover Danielle's insights on gender roles and spiritual discovery, we invite listeners to engage with her art and be inspired by the transformative power of testimonies. Ending with heartfelt prayers and blessings for Danielle's future endeavors, we encourage you to share your own stories and connect with our vibrant community.

Chapters

• 0:17 The Power of Testimonies
• 6:43 Childhood Memories and Moving to Arizona
• 18:19 Growing Up in Gilbert
• 25:36 Faith Traditions and Personal Identity
• 34:09 Music, Faith, and Youth Experiences
• 43:06 Journey to Faith and Love
• 51:15 Life, Love, and Career Paths
• 1:03:50 Transition to Stay-at-Home Mom
• 1:12:15 Navigating Family, Faith, and Finances
• 1:23:01 Navigating Marriage Challenges and Spiritual Growth
• 1:32:51 Finding Purpose in Service and Recovery
• 1:38:55 Uniting Through Serving and Fellowship
• 1:52:19 Artist's Journey to Creative Expression
• 1:57:36 Finding Purpose Through Art and Faith
• 2:06:22 Discovering Creative Expression and Spiritual Growth
• 2:15:21 Call to Courage in Challenging Times
• 2:21:14 God's Hidden Work in Women
• 2:30:18 Gender Roles Understanding
• 2:43:42 Journey to Spiritual Discovery
• 2:57:05 Prayer and Blessings for Ministry

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:17

all right, everybody. Welcome back to the speak live az podcast testimony of jesus and everyday people.

Speaker 2: 0:22

I'm your host, eddie, and always with me is my son rowdy jesus, what up, dude, man, dude, how was your day, buddy, uh busy very, very busy.

Speaker 1: 0:30

How many cars you do? Uh, we had 13 on the books, I don't know how many.

Speaker 2: 0:33

We did all this good man, you got ones waiting for you in the morning. Let's go buddy like three of them, but praise god man we're busy man.

Speaker 1: 0:42

People are spending money again.

Speaker 2: 0:43

Thank you for the election we're on the other side of it and we can spend our money.

Speaker 1: 0:49

It's weird, man right before election, people don't like to spend money, then that happens and everybody wants to spend money. So yeah, but thank god, it's only four years. Yeah, yeah, we got.

Speaker 2: 0:59

Oh, it was great, dude, we did so much around here, man, we got all the christmas're going festive, all the different environments ready for everybody to come in here on Sunday and like, oh look, the building's all set up for Christmas. Who did that? The Elves, yeah right. I was telling them we need an easy button so we could take a recording of setting it all up and then just hit the easy button and it's set up.

Speaker 1: 1:20

That would be good. I'm excited about this one, bro.

Speaker 2: 1:23

Yeah, this is going to be good man. I've been waiting for this one for a couple months, man. I'm stoked that we were able to get her on the books. Man, come on, who did we?

Speaker 1: 1:30

bring with us. We got our sister Danielle.

Speaker 4: 1:33

Hi guys, danielle how you doing, oh man, so good.

Speaker 1: 1:37

Thanks for coming on, man. God made it very clear to honor his kids, man, when they give us our yes. So, man, we just it truly is an honor and a privilege to host you and to be able to sit down and get your story. Um, we don't take this lightly, man. You know we get people that sometimes don't want to share, or the private, or I don't have a story, so when someone says yes, it's very, means a lot.

Speaker 1: 1:58

It means a lot to us because, especially you being someone that we've done life with for for many, many years and, to you know, we had your husband on and now we're having you on now we get the whole side of the story, now we get the whole truth. But it's cool when people we know and we do life with yeah, agree to come on because it tells us that what we're doing is is it validates what we're doing. You know, I mean, we appreciate that, man awesome life changing it really, really it's.

Speaker 2: 2:24

it's danielle for me, um, working with your husband, nate man, like I was when I first got here, just volunteering and serving. Uh, he man, he bought my box, for God knew what was supposed to be. He loved me when I didn't love myself. There was a lot that Nate did for me, man, so just having you here it just really means a lot, like Dad was saying. So just thank you for coming on, man. Have you listened to any of these?

Speaker 4: 3:03

Absolutely, I have.

Speaker 2: 3:04

Come on Another faithful listener. Come on, jesus. Do you pray for the guest? Oh, at the end we asked oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, amen, yeah yeah, so you know you know kind of what we do then, um, it's basically just the testimony of jesus and everyday people, um, a few different parts of your story that we're going to want to capture today. Let me just pray real quick and then we'll kind of just get into it. Please do Jesus man, god. Thank you, holy Spirit, thank you for what you're getting ready to do.

Speaker 3: 3:38

God.

Speaker 2: 3:39

I just thank you for this next amount of time, lord, that we've just set aside just to share about what you've done in Danielle's life. God, I thank you for bringing her this far, god, but I give you praise for where you're taking her, because there's so much more ahead, God, so much more ahead, yes, thank you. So I just pray for your daughter that if there's any nerves, anxiety, just in Jesus' name, peace, be still and know that he is God, holy Spirit, I pray you just use her words, lead her into the conversations, and, god, I just thank you that you're going to use this testimony for your glory. There's people's face who's getting ready to get stirred, lord, just through Daniel's testimony. So we praise you, god, in Jesus name, amen, amen, uh, you know, in revelation 12, 11, it says we overcome the enemy, uh, by the power of the blood, the word of our testimony, and loving not our life unto death. Right, um, the. There's so much power in our story and sharing our story with others, it, it, it actually kind of unlocks a prophetic realm in people's lives because they, they, they hear and they see and they're like dude. If God can do that for Danielle, if God can do that for Rowdy. If God can do that for Eddie, then God can do that for me, man, um. So that's why I personally love testimonies and at CR we do a teaching testimony, teaching testimony. So it's like always testimonies. We're blessed man, we really are.

Speaker 2: 5:09

But so, danielle, basically we just want to know who Danielle is. We want to know where you were born. What was it like growing up, mom and dad, the relationships they had they had with you Brothers and sisters? Brothers and sisters, how was school sports grades they had they had with you, brothers and sisters? How a school sports grades? Um, we're working recovery and a lot of the people that we work with, um, a lot of the hurts, the habits, the hangups and stuff later in life that they're in recovery and healing for as adults, as adults, the, the traumas and stuff happen as a kid right, um, so if, if any of that stuff, man, let the Holy Spirit lead you in there. But I think the coolest thing that we want to capture today is your encounter with Jesus, because dad's encounter was literally locked up in prison. Mine was at 1515 West Grand Avenue in Teen Challenge in Phoenix. So we want to know where God met you, because it's such a the way the lord kind of draws us to him.

Speaker 2: 6:09

They're so individual and so unique that god knew exactly what you needed to get you um but so your encounter when the living god became real, and then after the life change, um, dad, dad always says transformation in one person's life is the evidence of an encounter with a living God. So how did your life change after your encounter? And then, like dad was saying at the very end, what you're hoping for in the future, what you're still believing God for, sister, you're young man, you got a lot of life.

Speaker 3: 6:41

You got decades ahead of you.

Speaker 2: 6:43

So what do you believe in god for? And at this point I always say go big, because we got a big god man and we know a pastor. One time they had this huge plot of land and built this little church. Oh, and he's like I wish I would believe god for a bigger church, yeah, yeah. So if you build it, they'll come. But what? Where's your faith?

Speaker 1: 7:03

yeah what do you believe in him for? That's so good. That's so good. We were talking beforehand and I think it's so unique that we were talking about how God is so personal in his endeavor with us that I don't know. There's something amazing about that that he makes it so personal, like he said, you know the way he got him me and you. It's one of a kind A God that big is so personal that he will go after Danielle the way he knows Danielle you know, whoever it is that he makes it that personal man and I love that man.

Speaker 4: 7:35

And yet he's still the creator of the universe, Like what is that Right?

Speaker 2: 7:39

He spoke it into existence. It's so amazing.

Speaker 1: 7:42

The king man. So what was it like growing up, danielle?

Speaker 4: 7:45

Sorry, I'm just, oh, god's so good. He is man, it was good. I grew up in Illinois primarily. I was born in a little suburb of Chicago called Streamwood, Illinois.

Speaker 2: 7:58

Another Chicagoan, bro. Yeah, we've had quite a few Illinois and Ohioans on here.

Speaker 4: 8:03

We're done with the snow. We're going to the desert. Over it, over it. Bring them on, lord.

Speaker 1: 8:09

The only problem is you guys, bring your football teams with you and everything else. Come on, go, bears Go.

Speaker 4: 8:15

Bears, I'm just kidding oh man. Can't go wrong with the Cubs.

Speaker 3: 8:21

Like come on.

Speaker 4: 8:22

But you know I still vote Like come on. But you know I still vote like go for. Cardinals and what is it? The Diamondbacks?

Speaker 1: 8:27

all that stuff. Even here in Arizona they had the Cubs here before we ever had the Diamondbacks. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean, we've always had their spring training field here Spring training.

Speaker 4: 8:33

Yeah, you get a bunch of people coming out here for that for sure. Now it makes sense why all here. I've never done on me just now.

Speaker 2: 8:51

They hate the snow, bro. They're like we're out of here. Yeah, they come here and watch football, baseball too exactly they're like enjoy the weather, guys.

Speaker 4: 8:55

I think I'll stay. Good night, you come back.

Speaker 2: 8:56

Born in illinois yes, stream in illinois. Um what was it?

Speaker 4: 8:57

streamland streamwood, streamwood streamwood, just a little little suburb, went to Catholic school.

Speaker 3: 9:04

Oh wow, Was raised Catholic, oh wow.

Speaker 4: 9:06

Had the uniforms whole nine. Yeah, I didn't get beat by the nuns though, no okay, I was past that generation.

Speaker 3: 9:14

Oh, nice, I had the nice, nuns Nice. There was a little more grace yeah there was more grace.

Speaker 2: 9:18

Amen.

Speaker 4: 9:27

Less you know beating with a ruler. So that was nice. I appreciated that um.

Speaker 1: 9:30

I just saw wow hands getting smacked.

Speaker 2: 9:31

My mom, she had that when she went through.

Speaker 4: 9:33

Yeah, oh man, she had some she went. Yeah, some rough stories, yeah, thankfully I did not have to do that amen um school was hard, honestly, for me I had a hard time with school. Um, I ended up I doing first or second grade over again.

Speaker 3: 9:48

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 9:49

Because it just wasn't clicking yeah.

Speaker 2: 9:52

Like the academics. Yeah, the academics Learning, oh, okay, I struggled, I think, with reading primarily.

Speaker 4: 9:59

Yeah, but my mom was so gracious with how she did it. I didn't even know at the time that I had gone through and done whatever first grade over again, because I went to a Catholic school and then I changed schools and went to a public school and they had me doing all these fun things I'm like making craft projects and all these like made books and I look back. And all these like made books and I look back and realize like, oh, I was in, probably like a reading program.

Speaker 3: 10:31

And I didn't even realize it.

Speaker 4: 10:34

And then we went back into the Catholic school and I think a couple years later I realized like, oh, I did that grade over again.

Speaker 1: 10:46

But I'm thankful I did because Were the people that you were with ahead of you now, when you went back.

Speaker 4: 10:50

They were, but honestly I don't remember that being an issue. I don't, and we might have even. I think we actually switched schools.

Speaker 1: 10:57

Is that what made it dawn on you, though? Oh really.

Speaker 4: 10:59

Yeah, and I went to a different Catholic school.

Speaker 3: 11:01

Oh right Because, and went to a different.

Speaker 4: 11:02

Catholic school. Oh right, Because I bet my mom, because the one we started at was really close to our house.

Speaker 3: 11:06

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 11:07

So I remember driving for what felt like forever to get to the other one, because it was really important for her for us to go to a Catholic school Amen, which was good yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:19

You said us, so you got brothers and sisters.

Speaker 4: 11:21

Yes, I have two sisters and the oldest of three, oh nice. Oh wow, we're all about two years apart. We all live in Arizona now. Yeah, so I'm really the only one who has memories of Illinois, because we moved when I was 11 to Arizona. We visited, like those people watching the Cubs games.

Speaker 1: 11:41

They come and they visit.

Speaker 4: 11:43

And it was actually. We were living in kind of a rough spot, Like there was gang violence and we lived.

Speaker 2: 11:50

Over there in Illinois.

Speaker 4: 11:52

Yeah, in our old house we lived right across the street from a library. It literally was you walk across the street from our house and we could go there, but that's where all the gang bangers would hang out. And there was some gun violence.

Speaker 1: 12:08

I don't remember it, thank goodness, but my parents were like we've got to do something we had a couple people that were from chicago and they were talking about how neighborhoods were kind of segregated a little bit. Oh, sure were you in like a predominantly white neighborhood, probably black neighborhood. Were you kind of mixed up a little bit?

Speaker 4: 12:26

I was mixed, predominantly white, but one of my first best friends was of color. Yeah, and so I know that there was a mixture there. Yeah, but now that I kind of look back at it, definitely maybe not as much the suburbs, but where my grandparents lived um was very much like a white yeah, yeah and that's sad to say like that.

Speaker 4: 12:52

That hurts my heart a little bit to even say that that that's even a thing still um yeah, but yeah, my, my best friend, shelly Shelly I don't remember her last name but she was my best friend and she was of color and but yeah, from a young age I don't remember ever that, that ever being a it didn't occur to me so, yeah, so that the gang violence started occurring. We came and visited my aunt and uncle who already lived out here. My mom's brother and my parents were like okay, we're moving.

Speaker 1: 13:31

What time of year did you come visit?

Speaker 4: 13:32

Oh, we came.

Speaker 1: 13:34

Springtime.

Speaker 4: 13:34

Yeah, of course, of course it was something. It was beautiful. They, you know all the highlights. We went down to Mexico, did all the things and yeah, we came back and you remember your first summer here? Oh, it was terrible. We moved dude. Okay, we moved here in. I was like what are you guys?

Speaker 2: 13:55

closest place to hell on earth. Wait a minute, this ain't the same it was not good it was terrible, it's hot yeah well, so you, you were sharing that you moved here in 11, so your first decade is over there in illinois yeah and you're talking about how catholic school is hard for you yeah, the learning, yeah, just in general with friends, were you popular?

Speaker 4: 14:20

um, I wouldn't say I was popular, but I had a core group of friends, like I had a best friend and we were like every weekend we were hanging out. And then we had a core group around that where we were just, we were just kids and we hung out together. Um, but I was a like painfully shy kid, like you wouldn't recognize.

Speaker 3: 14:40

You were really quiet, like okay painfully shy.

Speaker 4: 14:44

We're to the point and honestly, like looking back, I think I I had this like I could feel, like I could discern uh people like if they're good or bad, like there's this one guy that was best friends with my parents and I just knew he was not a good guy, but I didn't have words to express it.

Speaker 3: 15:07

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 15:07

And so I would like make noises at him Like I'd meow at him yeah. Which is weird, right, that's weird to say out loud I'm a little embarrassed, but at the time I'm like I knew he was not a safe person.

Speaker 1: 15:19

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 15:19

But I couldn't.

Speaker 1: 15:20

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 15:28

I didn't know what to do with what I could perceive. Yeah, um, and so I, I think I've always been a feeler. If you will like, I can kind of feel what's going on with other people um feel their energy.

Speaker 1: 15:35

Yeah, and, and you know, it's a real thing, man, it is, it is and what potential is like attached and they're struggling with good or bad. And females are great with discernment. They really are more so than men. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 15:50

Listen to your women, men. That's true. For the most part, you know.

Speaker 4: 15:56

But yeah, it's so true, so true.

Speaker 2: 15:58

So growing up over there, like me, I grew up in church man.

Speaker 3: 16:04

It was Wednesday nights and Friday nights and Sundays and Sunday nights, it was always in church. My dad was like you live under my roof. You're doing what I say. Okay, I'm going to church.

Speaker 2: 16:14

Uh was with Catholic school. Did you guys have Catholic church Sundays and were you going to masses and all that? Did you go to confessionals and oh, wow, Okay.

Speaker 1: 16:27

So you did it. You were all the things.

Speaker 4: 16:28

Parents were active in the church not catholic church is quite different from like uh christian denominations I mean they're technically christian, but um, you're typically loosely involved. Like you attend sunday and that's like your deal. Like the hardcore catholics would do things above and beyond. But um, from what I knew, at least when we were in illinois, they didn't have like sunday school and there was no um like wednesday's service.

Speaker 2: 17:00

You go to mass. You sit in the pews and you listen to the priests.

Speaker 4: 17:04

Right and if the kids are crying. They have what's called a cry room, oh wow, and it's like a pane glass room where you can still see, but the kids can be crazy and run amok, you know.

Speaker 1: 17:16

But I sat on the pew, the wooden pew and so, as a catholic, what would you guys do during the rest of the week?

Speaker 4: 17:23

nothing.

Speaker 4: 17:24

That's what I'm saying, like really yeah, we go bowling and so there was like no community with the church there's no community oh wow really no, I even like going to school and going to mass, like I couldn't tell you anybody really from that season okay, that we went to church with. It wasn't like like it's supposed to be where it's like a community um, and, and at the time my dad wasn't attending church with us because he he wasn't raised catholic. Yeah, um that was mom making you guys, so mom was leading the charge for that and he would come occasionally, but he worked nights and so we didn't get to be in that world together a lot.

Speaker 4: 18:13

And so it was just really a religion. We were following the rules and being good Catholics.

Speaker 2: 18:19

Were you a rule follower.

Speaker 4: 18:20

Oh, 100%, 100% really.

Speaker 2: 18:24

That's where your boy gets it from love you, ethan, I miss you bro.

Speaker 1: 18:30

So much so she married a police officer bro right, oh my gosh, a rebel police officer because he does not like following the

Speaker 2: 18:42

rules. Well, while you're, while you're sharing about how the shyness, but that you feel? And stuff. I was feeling like you were talking about Ethan a little bit, oh, totally.

Speaker 4: 18:54

But that young man.

Speaker 2: 18:55

He walks in the spirit and feels in the spirit he does. I've been around him a couple of times. I'm like man, dude, he's a blessing. Love you, ethan, love you, bud. Miss you, dude, he's a blessing. Love you, ethan, love you, bud. Miss you, bro, he's the best.

Speaker 1: 19:07

I should sit there in production and watch him take notes. Come on, man.

Speaker 4: 19:11

And still keep up with the screens, Like how he's amazing.

Speaker 1: 19:15

I know adults that don't take notes like that dude. You know what?

Speaker 2: 19:18

I mean. He's still state like you, go boy he's gotten so much deeper um we'll get to that point, yeah yeah, a lot um so you get here in arizona 11. Where'd you guys move to?

Speaker 4: 19:30

gilbert, okay, yeah, right up the street from here. Um I uh. We stayed with my aunt and uncle for a couple months what year was that?

Speaker 2: 19:37

that was you don't have to say if you don't want 95, I'm not okay I'm just trying to figure out how big gilbert was then.

Speaker 1: 19:45

You know what I?

Speaker 4: 19:45

mean yeah, yeah Because.

Speaker 1: 19:46

Gilbert has grown a lot just in the last 10, 15 years.

Speaker 4: 19:50

It was still pretty small, like we lived.

Speaker 2: 19:53

Cow pastures and farm roads.

Speaker 4: 19:54

Yeah, yeah, we were off of Val Vista and Guadalupe and you could still smell the cows.

Speaker 2: 19:59

Like the fog, cow fog. Yeah, remember that. Oh yeah, we still get it on Riggs Road when I come in in the morning, because you're actually by the cows there, right there on.

Speaker 1: 20:08

Val Vista and Chandler Heights. They still have a big cow in there. I love driving by there every morning. I do, I drive by and I'm like it's so weird it smells like dew.

Speaker 2: 20:17

Okay, this is going to sound weird.

Speaker 1: 20:19

But it's a intriguing smell.

Speaker 4: 20:22

I get you, it's not horrible.

Speaker 1: 20:24

No, you know what I mean it's different, but it reminds me of my childhood. I understand that I grew up in Mesa, there was always cow farms everywhere, yeah, and so it was just a smell that was around, yeah. And it wasn't like. Yeah, I get it I don't know how to say it without saying it badly it's nostalgic yeah, but it wasn't like raunchy.

Speaker 4: 20:42

Right, you know what I?

Speaker 1: 20:43

mean, like you think of cow poop, you think, oh, it's got to be raunchy, but it's not. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3: 20:46

I don't know, processed grass. Wait, I'm tracking.

Speaker 1: 20:48

my bad, it's good, you're good.

Speaker 2: 20:50

Buddy, you like the smell of dew. That's why they call them Dirty McCurdy.

Speaker 1: 21:05

It's just a very intriguing smell.

Speaker 2: 21:05

You know what I mean it really is.

Speaker 4: 21:06

It's one of a kind you ain't getting that smell anywhere else other than the cow farms?

Speaker 2: 21:08

man Because dairy farms in Arizona are dissipating dude.

Speaker 4: 21:11

Yeah, they really are. You know what I?

Speaker 1: 21:12

mean. They used to be like everywhere. Now there's. That's the only one I know, though.

Speaker 2: 21:16

Very few of them. There used to be one over here on.

Speaker 1: 21:18

Like Power and Elliott that used to be there?

Speaker 3: 21:20

that I don't think is there anymore. That's not there, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 21:24

Last time I drove down that way, I didn't remember seeing it there.

Speaker 3: 21:26

But I think that's like the last one left.

Speaker 1: 21:28

That's been in. You know what I?

Speaker 3: 21:29

mean.

Speaker 1: 21:30

We used to have milk, oh, yeah, milk bottles delivered to the door In. Tempe right there.

Speaker 2: 21:36

Oh yeah, remember that Right down the street on Hardy.

Speaker 1: 21:45

So Arizona was a big milk production, yeah place you know what I?

Speaker 4: 21:47

mean, and now it's like seeming to dissipate a little bit which is sucks man sad expansion, I know, but it's good for the economy. Yeah, but I have. I have a similar weird smell like uh, like exhaust when it's cold.

Speaker 3: 21:58

Yeah, it's nostalgic because it reminds me of being a kid at christmas time.

Speaker 4: 22:02

And it's weird. It's not a good smell, but it's that oral factory.

Speaker 3: 22:07

It connects you right back to that.

Speaker 1: 22:08

It's a memory sensor that triggers a memory sensor. It brings you right back. It's true. Stuff like that happens. I like the smell of gas.

Speaker 4: 22:15

You know, I mean, if he's going to throw it out there, I'll be weird, so does your sister bro. I'm like I don't know why, but it's specifically she also used to eat butter out of the tub.

Speaker 2: 22:29

Butter is good.

Speaker 3: 22:30

Oh my God, we are just rabbit trailing. I'm not going to eat butter by myself.

Speaker 1: 22:35

Oh, she would Right out the tub with a spoon. Oh dang, okay like, but wait, is it like?

Speaker 4: 22:47

I can't believe it's not butter, but like straight up margarine gross, yeah like country crock, that's plastic no crackers, no nothing okay, okay, butter in that pat of butter and crackers yeah, I don't know why. That's really good it is like I eat that, amen.

Speaker 1: 22:59

Yeah, anyway, that was a fun rabbit that was. That was really fun.

Speaker 3: 23:03

So you moved to Gilbert, you moved to Gilbert this is great.

Speaker 2: 23:10

This is going to be fun. Oh, this is great. Jesus help, I know what it is. She's a creative bro. She's a creative. There's no linear to her. She is like this. It's like let's have some fun.

Speaker 1: 23:28

Well, who says serving God can't be fun man?

Speaker 4: 23:30

Amen.

Speaker 2: 23:34

I'd rather laugh than cry and all the heaviness.

Speaker 1: 23:38

We'll do all of it.

Speaker 4: 23:40

She's got it all Just wait, just wait, it's coming.

Speaker 2: 23:44

It's coming.

Speaker 4: 23:44

I don't know we're not even 30 minutes into it. Just wait, just wait, it's coming.

Speaker 1: 23:47

It's coming, I don't know. We're not even 30 minutes into it.

Speaker 4: 23:49

Don't check out yet Don't check out, we're just getting warmed up. We don't even know, oh God it's so good You're right.

Speaker 2: 23:54

Oh gosh, thanks guys. So you moved to Gilbert with your sisters.

Speaker 4: 24:00

Yes.

Speaker 2: 24:00

Yes, and your dad, but you moved to your aunts and uncles on Val Vista.

Speaker 4: 24:03

Yes, okay For like three months over the summer.

Speaker 2: 24:06

Okay, super hot, so they could find their place. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 4: 24:09

And we found a spot just up the road off of Elliott and Val Vista.

Speaker 2: 24:13

So we lived a mile away.

Speaker 4: 24:15

We did everything together.

Speaker 2: 24:16

Close to the family.

Speaker 3: 24:17

Yes, it's cool, cousins.

Speaker 4: 24:19

C, cousins, cousins. I have an older boy cousin who is a year older than me two years. And then two girl cousins same ages as my sister, so we just were thick as thieves, we hung out Awesome. Every Saturday we were going and doing something.

Speaker 2: 24:41

And then Sunday was, we'd go to mass together and we'd have dinner together. So even you come over here and you guys still Catholic church. Where would you go to Mass at?

Speaker 4: 24:46

St Ann's right up the road. It's off of Elliott in between. Was it Lindsay and Gilbert Road?

Speaker 2: 24:53

Yeah, we've never been to a Catholic church. Yeah, yeah, I don't see why you would.

Speaker 4: 24:58

But the priest at the time was married and so it was probably the closest to like a non-denominational church.

Speaker 1: 25:06

Oh.

Speaker 4: 25:06

And they had like modern worship songs.

Speaker 3: 25:09

Oh, wow.

Speaker 4: 25:09

Like Our God is an Awesome.

Speaker 2: 25:11

God was a song we sang One of my faves, yeah, oh it's like good stuff. So it wasn't like traditional Catholic. No no. Latin yeah, because she said that the priest was so. Normally the priests are not married.

Speaker 4: 25:22

No, no, no, he was a rarity, he was an exception to the rule.

Speaker 2: 25:26

So if you become a priest in the Catholic church, you're set aside, brother. Oh wow, you're set aside.

Speaker 4: 25:31

Yeah, because of what is it, peter?

Speaker 3: 25:34

I believed he wasn't married.

Speaker 4: 25:36

There's like one scripture they take out of context and apply it, but it's really not a great idea.

Speaker 2: 25:46

God even says in his word it's not good for man to be alone good no, it's not.

Speaker 4: 25:48

You need a helper and they believe like oh, I'm married to god, I'm he's my, I'm his bride, um, but okay, it makes sense now I yeah, it's an interesting take and they, they do things well, they do things that I you know lord bless them, lord bless them I believe there's so many catholics who have a rich walk with the lord and I think that's beautiful.

Speaker 2: 26:10

Within the like 2010, before covid, a lot of the catholic churches were getting filled with the holy spirit yeah, god was moving. And there's evangelist. Evangelist todd white would go into different catholic churches and preach and people were getting filled with the holy spirit.

Speaker 4: 26:26

Yeah because they believe like, yeah, all those core things. They have some interesting takes on mary and angels and uh, saints, but we're saints bro come on me right now.

Speaker 2: 26:36

We are saints, amen let's go, jesus.

Speaker 4: 26:42

One time I, after becoming a christian evangelical, I came back to like a catholic mass for easter, and it was the most somber easter service I like almost got up on the platform and started preaching. Oh, but.

Speaker 3: 26:59

I didn't.

Speaker 4: 26:59

I did not um because nate probably would have like murdered me.

Speaker 1: 27:02

You are not gonna go up there and I don't do that, okay, so we have a buddy that's he's was raised catholic actually comes, he goes to church. He goes to mass in the morning, then comes to church after mass and got filled with the holy spirit, started speaking in tongues.

Speaker 4: 27:23

Okay.

Speaker 1: 27:24

And we kind of make fun of him. What's a Catholic boy doing? Speaking in tongues? You know what I mean.

Speaker 4: 27:28

Yeah, that's not a character.

Speaker 1: 27:29

But yeah, I mean to him it's. I keep asking him because he takes his kids and he wants his kids to experience both. And I keep asking him you know, aren't you going to? Isn't that kind of confusing for them to mean, but he's, he's mexican oh and so he wants. He's likes the tradition that he has through his culture, which I get, that you know I mean, and I don't, I don't fault him for that I mean.

Speaker 1: 27:50

But he also realizes that yeah, you know I mean, so he attends both still man yeah but he's filled with the holy ghost and speaks in tongues, so that's awesome god's really doing he's taking the walls down he's really doing a new thing he is. It's really fun to watch trying to call his brides to yes, no matter what rise up right, rise up. You know what I mean yeah, if you're his people, he's gonna call you and you're gonna yeah if you know his, if you know, the voice of the shepherd you're gonna.

Speaker 4: 28:21

You're gonna hear and respond 100. He's calling the sheep home, yeah, um so we we started attending st ann's. That was amazing you're a teenager I'm a teenager. Yeah, I, I went through all the sacraments. So it starts off with um confession where you learn to. You know you do the box, it was just in the box.

Speaker 2: 28:42

You know, you know what's the box where you get in the little thing. You see, I've done this, I've done this.

Speaker 1: 28:48

I've done this well, you gotta do four. Hell marys and three, all right, all right, I thought you're like getting up on a box and, oh no, you go in the box close the door and open the window.

Speaker 2: 28:59

Yes, hey, priest yeah, I just know from the movies, right See now, that right there confuses me.

Speaker 1: 29:06

It's weird, right, because that right there goes against scripture altogether.

Speaker 4: 29:09

Right Again.

Speaker 2: 29:11

Well, James 5, 16, confess your faults one to another so that you may pray for you and you may be healed.

Speaker 3: 29:17

Yeah, but you're going to a person to yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4: 29:22

Because that's not what it's about. Again, a scripture taken out of context.

Speaker 1: 29:25

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 29:26

And putting again a man in between you and Jesus.

Speaker 1: 29:28

Jesus died for us to have a direct relationship with him Amen.

Speaker 4: 29:32

And we're supposed to be accountable to one another, so we can walk in transparency as. Christians with one another, not feel like we have to put on false pretenses. Yeah, and that's what it means not to go and like grovel to a priest.

Speaker 1: 29:49

Do Catholics even read their Bibles? No See, I didn't think so.

Speaker 4: 29:53

Some of them do, not all. I'm not going to make generalities, broad statements, but in general.

Speaker 2: 29:59

Yeah, I've asked that to another one. They're like no we never opened it. It's a paperweight. Yeah, it collects dust.

Speaker 1: 30:05

Well, they would go and have the priest do their thing on Sunday, and that was how they would get fed. You know what I mean, wasn't there a?

Speaker 2: 30:10

big one on stage, A big one oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the big one.

Speaker 4: 30:16

The big one. Yeah, and they? What do they say From St Jude and everything's Saint?

Speaker 1: 30:24

There are saints but, so are we. We just went and seen Bonhoeffer.

Speaker 4: 30:28

Oh, was that good.

Speaker 1: 30:31

But I was looking at the churches and they had these things that. So the people were here and the pulpit was this thing you walked up on top of.

Speaker 4: 30:40

Oh yeah, and I asked Pastor Abel.

Speaker 1: 30:42

I'm like what the hell is that? He's like that's the pulpit.

Speaker 2: 30:45

I'm like that is just the weirdest thing. Well, think about the buildings that they were in, the way that they sounded, so you got up there and then proclaimed the word of God.

Speaker 4: 30:56

Yeah, yeah, I never went to a church like that. Yeah, but seeing that thing, I'm like like what the hell is.

Speaker 2: 31:09

yeah, they really elevated the priest above um, yeah, so we went to catholic church. Um, are you back in catholic school over here? No, oh man, you guys okay, it got awkward um some public education mesquite elementary

Speaker 4: 31:20

school okay and um made friends with the neighbor. She was super sweet, took me under her wings. She was one of the. She was like cool, popular girl I'm. I'm awkward. I was an awkward kid like goofy, looking like my knees were like too big, my body I don't know, no like seriously, she's like my knees. I'm like what I don't know.

Speaker 2: 31:46

She's all walking like this.

Speaker 4: 31:47

I was really skinny and my knees just looked too bony. I love you, danielle. I don't know.

Speaker 2: 31:54

You're all legs man, oh gosh.

Speaker 4: 31:56

Oh gosh, I don't know, so, so you're hanging out with the popular kids.

Speaker 2: 32:01

So yeah, Was she.

Speaker 1: 32:03

Mormon. No, surprisingly she wasn't Really.

Speaker 4: 32:06

She probably was a Christian, now that I look back, at it. Padilla. I don't remember her first name, stephanie Padilla.

Speaker 3: 32:14

Nice. So if you're listening somehow, hi, god bless you how you doing. Praise God Great Thanks for being my friend.

Speaker 4: 32:21

Yeah and yeah. So she took me under her wing, went to public school. I didn't know how to dress.

Speaker 1: 32:29

Because you were used to uniforms. Oh wow.

Speaker 4: 32:32

So I didn't know what to wear.

Speaker 3: 32:35

I didn't know, what to wear guys.

Speaker 2: 32:37

Mama wasn't helping you.

Speaker 4: 32:38

I don't think she knew, I don't know, Mom, and maybe she was just like whatever.

Speaker 2: 32:43

She went to Catholic school too. From what?

Speaker 4: 32:44

you said she, and maybe she was just like whatever. She went to Catholic school too, from what you said.

Speaker 3: 32:47

She had style.

Speaker 4: 32:47

Okay, eventually it took me like a year or two years to figure out what kids were wearing.

Speaker 2: 32:53

Did you lean towards skater, or like cholo, or like smart?

Speaker 4: 32:57

Eventually. Eventually, it went from just normal to punk rock.

Speaker 2: 33:04

Okay.

Speaker 3: 33:04

But, not like mohawks or anything like that.

Speaker 4: 33:08

I know right.

Speaker 2: 33:10

Well, you come in today and it's more, I see, like the Billy Bop, like the 1950s rock.

Speaker 4: 33:16

It's always been kind of that. Always like that's probably.

Speaker 1: 33:20

So you were like a greaser then Sure, yeah, that's probably the most I've always loved.

Speaker 4: 33:25

Like do you have an old? Do you have an old soul? I think so. Oh, okay, okay.

Speaker 1: 33:29

Like 1920s, 1930s, 1940s you would have loved to been alive 50s black and white shoes yeah, the, the wingtips did you oh come on, you were a total greaser.

Speaker 2: 33:43

Come on, that's fantastic. Scott Punk kid.

Speaker 4: 33:48

I loved it. It's great. I still listen to it sometimes.

Speaker 1: 33:53

Have you heard of a band called no Treaty?

Speaker 4: 33:54

I do know no Treaty. I couldn't tell you what they sing, but I do Hardcore Christian.

Speaker 1: 33:58

Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I heard it the other day.

Speaker 4: 34:00

I was like let's go, all right.

Speaker 1: 34:03

Yeah. Just oh yeah, yeah, it got me.

Speaker 4: 34:09

I love Christian metal, mm-hmm, screaming, oh yeah, double bass pedal. It was crazy.

Speaker 1: 34:14

Yeah, the bass pedal you think of like the 70s, 80s, like punk rock, heavy metal kind of thing.

Speaker 3: 34:21

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 34:21

Where you had this singer who would like sing? Yeah, yeah and then then they would have another one who'd come on. He'd be like yeah, you, oh, that's good, and then, they would go back into the yeah, yeah, yeah, that's how they were. They had one guy who would sing come jesus, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then another guy was like yeah yeah, let's go.

Speaker 4: 34:44

Yeah, no treating, oh okay, what about? Well, sleeping Giants isn't a band anymore, but they're good.

Speaker 1: 34:52

Kingdom Core.

Speaker 4: 34:53

Kingdom Core. Do you follow them?

Speaker 1: 34:55

I just found them the other day. They were the one that so I saw one of their videos and they were sharing a no treaty video.

Speaker 4: 35:03

Yeah, okay, I think I saw I follow them because I'm like I'll always looking for a good, good, uh, hardcore music.

Speaker 1: 35:09

I have a friend who plays music and he's into that kind of music and that's the kind of music he plays and I'm like here's some christian music, like that one.

Speaker 4: 35:15

You know what I mean because I'm like I need to know that they love jesus otherwise I'm not going to listen to this um, holy name. That's a good one.

Speaker 1: 35:23

I haven't heard that one.

Speaker 4: 35:24

Okay, it's some of the members from Sleeping Giants and it's so good but they became like Orthodox, greek Orthodox, so they've got some of the Catholic roots.

Speaker 3: 35:38

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4: 35:39

Weird, but look it up.

Speaker 3: 35:42

Holy Name.

Speaker 1: 35:44

Sorry, that was loud, you're good, yeah, all right, so you're. You're in arizona, you're a greaser yeah, hanging out with cool kids.

Speaker 2: 35:53

Yeah, there hasn't been any drugs or alcohol up to the no smoking cigarettes, or okay, you're. You're a rural follower to the t, yes, okay yeah, so I figured out.

Speaker 4: 36:03

I went through some really awkward phases from like fifth, sixth grade to like high school. I was pretty awkward and was figuring it out, like most kids still struggling academically oh no, I I always kind of did do great in school but, I, I passed my classes it was. It never came easy. English was always pretty hard. I hated reading. Writing was a struggle. The concepts didn't click. I can write stuff. Now, now that we have AI that does it for us, where was that when?

Speaker 1: 36:40

I was in high school.

Speaker 2: 36:40

Now you're saved and you got the Holy Spirit. Jesus, I don't know.

Speaker 4: 36:44

Catholics. He's the best AI writer. Well, now you're saved and you got the Holy Spirit Right. Jesus Thank you.

Speaker 2: 36:46

I don't know Catholics, I don't know, maybe he's the best.

Speaker 1: 36:49

AI writer you've got. Honestly, he just he just download things.

Speaker 4: 36:55

But okay, I did have a really cool Holy Spirit encounter as a Catholic. Oh wow, this is my first and as a Catholic. As a kid I always just like craved time in nature and then when we started coming to the Catholic church in Arizona, our priest was really like he was anointed to bring the word and it was more like a sermon we would hear at a Christian church and they were always like, like, so impactful.

Speaker 2: 37:26

This is from the married priest, the married priest.

Speaker 3: 37:29

Okay.

Speaker 4: 37:29

Yeah, and he had such. His name was Father Doug. He's now with the Lord. He was so amazing and he was so passionate about Jesus. And the Catholics believe that communion is the body and the blood of Jesus. And the Catholics believe that the communion is is the body and the blood of Jesus, and so they they have a special holder. Sorry, I might mess it up. It's in like a gold container if you're Catholic and you can think of what it's called. I'm sorry, I can't remember if you're catholic and you can think of what it's called.

Speaker 4: 38:07

I'm sorry, I can't remember, um, but they have it in this thing and, uh, there was this one special service. It was like a nighttime service, I don't. I don't know what it was for, um, but we were there and it was nighttime and they brought this out and it was just a time of like reverence and I remember just like needing to be by it yeah and I got out of my chair.

Speaker 4: 38:30

I was somewhere in my early teens and you don't get out of your chair as a catholic like you. Sit there yeah and you don't lift your hands yeah you clap maybe yeah if people are clapping that, but I got out and I was just like so drawn. I was like if jesus's presence is there, I need to be by his presence and I didn't understand it, but like it was almost like jesus had an altar call like in the catholic church.

Speaker 4: 38:55

So I went up to the altar and I just like laid, I remember just like kneeling down before it and just being in his presence. Wow, and so God's that was your first encounter. Yeah, yeah, and then my mom made me go on a retreat.

Speaker 2: 39:15

Like a summer camp thing. It was a winter camp, oh Same idea Right Christians do summer camp, right Catholics do winter camp.

Speaker 4: 39:22

Okay, okay, it was different, but I didn't do't do, I didn't know anybody and so I was like you can't make me go. I don't know anybody, I was so scared um and they had. This time it was very much like a christian camp, like very structured. Similarly, we had this time excuse me, where?

Speaker 1: 39:43

you remember where you went? It was up north somewhere like pine rock or anything like that it's similar to pine rock.

Speaker 4: 39:49

Um, I don't, I don't remember.

Speaker 2: 39:51

All right, it's really, I'm sure, the catholic church has a camp or campground or something.

Speaker 4: 39:56

They got a lot of money, I'm sure yeah, um, and yeah, there was this time of where we were just sitting we would probably call it soaking in God's presence and they just put music on and they're like, okay, you're just going to sit here and you're just going to be still before the Lord. Wow, and that's the first time I'd ever done that.

Speaker 3: 40:18

Yeah, I was just like what is this?

Speaker 4: 40:21

But I felt God move and then we did confession this, but I felt god move and then we did um confession and it always feels good to you know.

Speaker 3: 40:29

Clean. Clean the slate if you will, you know.

Speaker 4: 40:31

So you come back fresh. I remember coming back a different person like I encountered the lord there and do you remember how old you are, what grade that was? I think I was either 15 or 16. So I'm in high school high school freshman or sophomore? Probably sophomore.

Speaker 2: 40:48

Any boyfriends.

Speaker 4: 40:49

Couple of boyfriends. I don't know if I had a boyfriend at the time.

Speaker 1: 40:53

Gilbert high.

Speaker 4: 40:54

Gilbert high. Yeah, I went to Gilbert high.

Speaker 2: 40:56

Um, I was probably boy crazy Like did the public school allow you to see and experience different things from the Catholic school?

Speaker 3: 41:07

Were you ever in like whoa?

Speaker 1: 41:08

this is crazy.

Speaker 2: 41:10

What are they doing?

Speaker 1: 41:12

Well, public school, you get little crazy kids sometimes. Oh.

Speaker 2: 41:15

Little school parties Catholic school is not like everybody's following the rules. Sure, I don't want to get beat.

Speaker 4: 41:21

I don't know, like I never I was right. I don't know the fear of the Lord in these kids. I don't want to get beat. I don't know Like.

Speaker 2: 41:25

I never. I was right. I don't know the fear of the Lord and these kids.

Speaker 4: 41:28

I'm sorry, I'm tracking with you now. Yeah, um, yeah, there's definitely opportunities. Um, I again was still like a rule follower. I had a small group of friends and so I never got into trouble, like I didn't want.

Speaker 2: 41:41

I never got into trouble. You didn't want. You weren't interested in it, I wasn't. Did you have friends that were doing it? I guess, yeah, like I kind of hung out with the skaters, okay.

Speaker 4: 41:49

But I had like a core group of friends that were Christians.

Speaker 3: 41:52

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 41:53

And they were what you would call straight edge.

Speaker 2: 41:55

Oh yeah.

Speaker 3: 41:56

The punk rock straight edge crew.

Speaker 4: 41:58

Yeah, they don't smoke, don't drink all that fun stuff yeah um, and so they introduced me to all of the christian ska punk music, which probably fed into my love for christian metal. Um, and they introduced me to um being saved, quote, unquote, because as a catholic, they don't talk about that. Yeah, so I'm like salvation they don't like really they're like you belong to jesus when you're confirmed. That's kind of their protocol like you go through this process okay of officially becoming a catholic and receiving the fullness of jesus?

Speaker 4: 42:37

um, but they don't. Salvation and being saved is not a term that catholics Wow. So when I went to an AG church, assemblies of God church. I was like, what are you guys talking about? I need to be saved. Like am I on a boat.

Speaker 3: 42:54

What are you talking?

Speaker 4: 42:54

about.

Speaker 1: 42:56

Born again. Yeah, yeah, his mom was. His stepmom was in Greece recently.

Speaker 4: 43:00

Okay.

Speaker 1: 43:01

And she was talking about how they're In Greece recently.

Speaker 2: 43:04

Okay, she was talking about how they're in greece. They're orthodox.

Speaker 1: 43:06

The fact that you're born greek, you're like born safe born into the church and there's no like they don't have an encounter and experience.

Speaker 2: 43:16

That's why, when the ones that do, they almost get shunned and pushed out of the community yeah, when they become, when they become evangelical, yeah, they become like like you're, you're wild you're. Yeah, you know, because we already say we're born into it.

Speaker 1: 43:29

Yeah, is this kind of same thing? It's like that kind of you're catholic, you're born into it, kind of thing it.

Speaker 4: 43:35

You know you do the like sprinkling as a baby, yeah, okay, yeah, you're in it, and so there's no like new level is there like no other baptism.

Speaker 1: 43:44

As a catholic do you?

Speaker 2: 43:45

know, oh so just the sprinkling.

Speaker 4: 43:47

That's the baptism, that's you're baptized, yeah there's no like the confirmation process, so you do the the sacrament of confession um and then as a junior or senior I had, I was in jail one time yeah and I wanted to go to church.

Speaker 2: 44:12

Yeah, and the only church there was was the catholic church so I went to it. Yeah, and they're passing out communion yeah, and the dude passed me a communion, but then he said if you're in this room and you haven't been something about the church and the communion, I need to take that back. He literally took my thing back from me.

Speaker 3: 44:32

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 44:33

I was like their wafers are big too. Dude, I want you know I was a real cracker, I wanted to.

Speaker 2: 44:39

I'm like came to church and wanted communion.

Speaker 4: 44:42

Man's like nope, you haven't been whatever yeah, they take it very seriously again that scripture that says if you eat or drink without judgment, and if you don't, if you're not saved you're bringing judgment upon yourself yeah, um. So they take it really seriously, even to the fact like um, if you don't believe you're worthy or like you're, you're walking still like living in sin yeah you can go up for communion, but you can't take communion. You kind of put your arms across your chest and then they'll just bless you um oh wow so they take the sacraments very seriously.

Speaker 4: 45:21

Okay, and I appreciate so much the reverence that. Catholics have for God Like. I feel like we could take that God a little bit more seriously he is he is.

Speaker 2: 45:34

He is our, he is our friend and he is our helper, but he is God, he is the first the creator of the universe, who spoke the world into motion, and I think that's the uh, the fear of the universe, who spoke the world into motion, and I think that's the uh, the fear of the lord yeah really that's, that's where yeah, um a lot of believers nowadays lack in is that's one place me myself I've struggled is the fear of the lord right and I know that's the beginning of all wisdom, and I know the the scriptures, but it just I think, maybe because I was a little hellion, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 46:09

I was so crazy for so long just doing whatever I wanted to do. But now I'm at a point where it's like oh, god loves me, I love you, jesus.

Speaker 3: 46:18

The love of.

Speaker 2: 46:19

God. God will get you two ways the fear of the Lord or the love of God.

Speaker 3: 46:23

Those are the ways man, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4: 46:30

I grew up with fear, so it was the love that changed me. He knew what you needed, man he knew, he knew you needed.

Speaker 1: 46:35

That's good, it's real, that's good.

Speaker 4: 46:38

Absolutely. That's so good. I love him, he's so good so you're Gilbert, you're love him.

Speaker 1: 46:47

He's so good, um. So, gilbert, you're punk rocker. Gilbert, punk rocker high school you met some christians.

Speaker 4: 46:50

Learn about salvation and being saved. Straight edge, a straight edge um.

Speaker 2: 46:52

Through that friendship, um I met nate my husband really yeah in high school, in high school really yeah, but are you like going to catholic but hanging out with Christian friends?

Speaker 4: 47:04

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 47:05

Okay, I was a rebel.

Speaker 4: 47:06

So Sundays I had a girl from Gilbert meet a guy from Mesa. Right Good question.

Speaker 1: 47:10

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 47:11

At her birthday party.

Speaker 1: 47:12

Really yeah, okay, and.

Speaker 4: 47:14

I think he told the story, but I'll tell it to you.

Speaker 1: 47:16

Yeah, it's your story now. No I love you, nate yeah you're the best.

Speaker 4: 47:23

Love you honey. Yeah, we were buddies and she's a drama kid, so she's very flamboyant and just had like a different.

Speaker 1: 47:31

Did they go to church together?

Speaker 4: 47:33

So they went to church together, yeah, they went to church together. We went to school together, nate went to Mesa High. I went to Gilbert High Jackrabbits yeah, let's go. So we were at her 16th birthday party and it was a lookalike. You're supposed to dress like her, act like her, and so I show up. I don't think I didn't dedicate to the role it was very lame. Did Nate, oh, you know, he did. I love that dude, he did.

Speaker 4: 48:07

But, he didn't. I don't know if he dressed up Maybe he wore like a vest or something but he was doing stage falls and he was so currently my husband has no hair and a giant beard. At the time he had a full giant out of hair and no beard, no beard. I don't think he had mutton chops yet, because he was like 15 yeah um, but he, yeah, and he was a skater, wore the big old jankos 40 inch bottoms.

Speaker 2: 48:39

I just hear that song. Hey, just hear that song. Hey, skater boy, I'll see you later.

Speaker 4: 48:43

Oh my God, that's exactly what I was thinking Don't sing it, Don't sing it.

Speaker 3: 48:51

Oh my God, oh gosh.

Speaker 4: 48:53

So, yeah, I saw my skater boy and he was like successfully doing these really convincing stunt falls, yeah, where he would just like fall straight on the ground and he'd catch himself right before he'd hit the ground. Oh yeah, yeah, all night long oh, that's where he busted himself, yeah yes, and so he's like, we're like hey, how you doing, and he follows me.

Speaker 1: 49:16

He said he was showing off, he was totally showing off, he was, it was working, though it

Speaker 4: 49:20

was working um it was so cute so he ended up swapping and because we did a scavenger hunt right and so he swapped with someone so we could be in the same car. So we're talking and and um, and I'm getting to know his friends and his friends are great. And um, at the end of the party, comes and we're talking and I'm like he's so cute, oh my goodness. And he's like. They're like do one more fall. And so he's like okay, and he does not catch himself this time.

Speaker 4: 49:56

And his little friend was like oh, he's just messing around. So she grabs his feet and starts pumping his legs and she's like in with the good, oh, and she's like in with the good, out with the bad, in with the good out of the bad, yeah, and a pool of blood just starts you know, spreading from his chin, she freaks out. Thankfully, our friend's mom is a nurse she comes, stitches him up, as she's stitching him up, like you know yeah he asked for my phone number, I was like you went through a lot.

Speaker 2: 50:28

Here you go, buddy it was a good move.

Speaker 3: 50:31

I'm like man it's dedication.

Speaker 1: 50:33

Yeah, so um, you didn't have to bust yourself open though but I call it my scar.

Speaker 4: 50:39

You can't see it with the beard, but it's there it's there, it's a fun story to tell that's awesome, yeah, and so that was like sophomore year.

Speaker 1: 50:56

We ended up dating a couple other random people and finally reconnected at like 18 and dated and got married oh wow, yeah, you guys married young so young Really.

Speaker 4: 51:02

Yeah, yeah, we were, I was 21. He was 20. Wow, married young, so young really. Yeah, yeah, we were, I was 21, he was 20.

Speaker 1: 51:10

Wow, like there's kids, yeah, yeah, we were babies and um. Did you graduate? Did graduate?

Speaker 4: 51:12

graduated from gilbert high, go tigers. Now my, our daughter, goes to gilbert high that's weird, that's a trip, and yeah, and it hasn't changed. She played one for one season. Okay, it was not her thing.

Speaker 3: 51:27

Okay.

Speaker 4: 51:28

She found badminton.

Speaker 3: 51:30

She loves it.

Speaker 2: 51:30

Oh, nice man.

Speaker 4: 51:31

And I said, let's go.

Speaker 2: 51:32

You still get a scholarship for badminton. Yeah, oh, yeah.

Speaker 4: 51:35

Our requirement was you play at least one sport.

Speaker 2: 51:38

Oh, that's good, Especially for her, because she's sports.

Speaker 4: 51:41

She's so athletic.

Speaker 2: 51:42

Because she's sports, she's so athletic yeah, she's sports.

Speaker 4: 51:44

She's so athletic, but she's yeah, she's also really creative. She loves crafts and plants and animals.

Speaker 3: 51:50

Yes, I remember the animals.

Speaker 4: 51:52

Any plant or animal she will like, she brings life to it.

Speaker 3: 51:58

The animal whisperer she really is yeah.

Speaker 1: 52:01

So what did you do after high school? High school Before you got married? Before you got married, did you get a job? Yeah, what?

Speaker 4: 52:07

was your first job, my first job. Well, we're going back to high school. I worked at do you guys remember sam goody sam?

Speaker 1: 52:13

goody, it was a music store yeah it was like a cd store

Speaker 4: 52:17

I worked at that when I was in high school.

Speaker 1: 52:19

That was a fun job I bet, especially being a punk rocker. Oh my gosh, it was fun. All the music, yes what about you? Remember zia's yes, yeah, oh you could go there and buy used records right they still have a zia record, like right up the street.

Speaker 2: 52:33

They have one on gilbert and southern yeah yeah I used to go there and listen to all that music it's so fun, I love it you could go back.

Speaker 1: 52:41

Then it was cassettes.

Speaker 3: 52:43

For me it wasn't oh yeah, cds yet, yeah, but you could go there.

Speaker 1: 52:44

Then it was cassettes for me it wasn't, oh yeah, I wasn't CDs yet, yeah, but you could go there and just go through all the. I remember getting like JFK and Dead Kennedys, oh yeah.

Speaker 3: 52:51

And Dead Milkman and you could find all yeah, oh, no, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 52:56

Oh no. That was a trip um, that's good times, man. It was good times. Growing up in mesa as a kid or just in the east valley as a kid was wonderful yeah it really was. It wasn't until like enjoyed it the 90s that it started getting bad okay I mean the meth came in.

Speaker 2: 53:21

Once the meth came in, it was awesome man Mesa really was the heart of the valley until all that kind of went down.

Speaker 1: 53:30

But, yeah. It's still the heart of the valley, just not for the right reasons. Yeah.

Speaker 4: 53:35

If you want to go get in trouble, that's where you go.

Speaker 1: 53:38

Yeah, head down to Main Street and you'll find some oh boy. Yeah, you sure will yeah.

Speaker 4: 53:42

Try not to drive down there after dark.

Speaker 1: 53:44

It's sketchy. I grew up in Mesa right on 8th Avenue and Horn.

Speaker 4: 53:49

Oh okay, wow, yeah, yeah, wow.

Speaker 1: 53:51

So, growing up there and now I go back, it breaks my heart.

Speaker 4: 53:55

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 53:55

It breaks my heart.

Speaker 4: 53:56

That's hard.

Speaker 1: 53:57

You know what I mean, because I mean I lived in the same house from the time I was two to the time I went to prison at 20. Oh, wow so for 18 years I lived in the same home, same neighborhood, same everything. Wow. And to see Mesa the way it is now, yeah, I mean it hurts my heart. Yeah, I mean because it was a really good place. You know what?

Speaker 3: 54:17

I mean yeah.

Speaker 1: 54:18

You could go to Pioneer Park and have fun. Yes, not have to worry about drugs and buying needles, and you know what I mean. Yeah, now you get main street dude. I'm just like I was going to play golf. I stopped off at higley in maine at the I think it's a liquor store to get some gatorade yeah and there were people in the front of the store shooting dope. No, and I'm like really, I'm like I even went over talked. I'm like really, you guys have no shame, you're just right here in front of this.

Speaker 1: 54:45

It just broke my heart man.

Speaker 3: 54:46

You know what I mean. It's so sad.

Speaker 1: 54:48

But now you go up and down Main Street, it's just hard to see yeah, it's hard.

Speaker 4: 54:52

It is, it's hard to see and it's like, okay, God.

Speaker 2: 55:05

I no. As much as I thought that was going to help, it didn't. All it did was bring more river.

Speaker 4: 55:07

Gave all the dope beans, free access to the East Valley Right Right Now they can easily get.

Speaker 1: 55:10

Could you imagine being a single woman happened to use the light rail to get to work or something. No, oh my God, I would not let my daughter ride that by herself.

Speaker 4: 55:16

Absolutely not. I would not.

Speaker 2: 55:18

No yeah so you graduate gilbert high and you come back around to nate around 18.

Speaker 4: 55:30

You guys date for a couple years and then get married.

Speaker 2: 55:32

Yes, yes, for a season I thought I wanted to be a pastry chef when you saw him at that party and he was doing those falls and stuff, was that like, this is the boy I'm gonna marry, did you have? Did you get that?

Speaker 1: 55:43

because some people then, okay, it was just cute skater I really liked him okay, I have a funny story from his perspective.

Speaker 4: 55:52

um, when we re kind of connected, uh, he saw me, uh I think he and he was like that's the girl I'm going to marry, yeah.

Speaker 2: 56:11

If you want to hear it, you can go listen to Nate Peterson Speak Life AZ Apple. Spotify go check it out.

Speaker 4: 56:19

Yeah, I loved hearing his testimony. I was like oh, I love it. I get so excited. Yeah, so we get married super young, yeah.

Speaker 2: 56:31

What are you doing for work?

Speaker 4: 56:33

I am working at Insight, a computer resale company as a sales support person. So just a job, nothing super passionate but, it's a good job.

Speaker 2: 56:44

What was he doing?

Speaker 4: 56:45

He was. He was working at the skin and cancer center of Arizona at the time.

Speaker 3: 56:52

Wow.

Speaker 4: 56:53

And, uh, he went through a couple of different renditions of trying to figure out what to do. So, he knew he needed to do something different, and he always wanted to be a firefighter. Yeah, Right, I remember him sharing that and so he tried to go down that route but that kind of got shut down. There was a little touch and go with the Army recruiter. Thankfully we dodged that bullet because he would have gone straight to Afghanistan.

Speaker 4: 57:20

No thank you. Thank you, jesus, but it turns out we knew a recruiteriter for the city of mesa for the police, and so he became uh law enforcement um, how'd you feel about that?

Speaker 1: 57:34

oh, no I was so scared so scared so, guys, we got married in february.

Speaker 4: 57:41

I'm 21's 20, he can't buy bullets. He's still a little baby and two months later he goes into the police academy Wow, what.

Speaker 3: 57:53

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 57:54

So he graduates and is barely able to buy ammunition. That's one of the prerequisites you have to be able to buy ammunition to be an officer. Being a police officer, you have to buy your own ammunition. No, you don't have to buy it, but you've got to be able to buy ammunition to be an officer.

Speaker 1: 58:04

Um, being a police officer you have to buy your own ammunition. You know you don't have to buy it. You gotta be old enough to be legally able to. All right, like what you can't buy a firearm, but here you go, take one make an issue you want?

Speaker 2: 58:17

yeah, go get the bullets from the armory, right, goodness guys, it's backwards, dude it is so I don't recommend this path.

Speaker 1: 58:26

Yeah, no.

Speaker 4: 58:27

Don't do this.

Speaker 1: 58:28

My son wanted to do it. I'm like no, I mean not for Nate.

Speaker 4: 58:32

Like I mean, like get married really young and then go do something that's going to make you a different person, like that was so hard, but it was what he was supposed to do. Like I don't doubt that that was what he was supposed to do because, he was so good at it, and god has used it in such a mighty way god's still using it.

Speaker 4: 58:51

Still using it like he just keeps just like we were having a conversation where god will put you in places. You won't even realize the layers of what you needed from that place until four years down the road and you're like oh, that's why I was here, um, and so I keep working at insight. Nate's doing his thing and he looks like a little baby because he's still so young and he doesn't have a beard yet, and so he just he gets so much flack for looking young and oh yeah, on the streets, oh yeah um, but he was good at it and so he's doing that.

Speaker 4: 59:26

And then we two years, two and a half years in. We got married in 05 and had Ethan in 07, yeah, so two years later.

Speaker 2: 59:39

That's cool that you guys waited a little bit and kind of enjoyed each other's marriage. We did it was fun Relationships, it was fun Memories before.

Speaker 4: 59:43

Cool that you guys waited a little bit and kind of enjoyed each other's marriage relationships memories before the kiddos, yes yeah, I highly recommend having time where you're just the two of you we still need to get to know each other like that even in the bible talks about like the first year you just get to know each other even if you're dating somebody for a couple years, you really don't get to know somebody until you're living with them, you don't.

Speaker 3: 1:00:06

You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 1:00:07

You really don't.

Speaker 2: 1:00:08

You don't bro the marriage in the ring changes everything. It does Well because when you see someone on a date.

Speaker 1: 1:00:14

You can be nice and polite and all this other stuff.

Speaker 3: 1:00:16

Put on your good face and then you can go to wake up next to somebody with bad breath and farting and it's like oh, dude, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 1:00:26

I did not go to sleep next to you last night.

Speaker 1: 1:00:30

It is, oh, my God.

Speaker 4: 1:00:31

It's real in learning how to share money and share a home.

Speaker 1: 1:00:37

Yeah, it's a lot.

Speaker 4: 1:00:39

It's a lot of things and to do it where you get the most benefit you need to share all those things come on um, it's easier yeah right if you didn't, but you're not getting the benefit of that unity and sharpening one another, and we've learned a lot of these things, very much the hard way.

Speaker 2: 1:00:59

I heard recently this uh, I don't know who I was listening to, man, but they were talking about how your better half or the other half, your significant other, your man or woman that you're married to, that you start to find out all their crap, their idiosyncrasies, the stuff that's just like frustrates you and gets under your skin and you have to let that stuff become the very stuff that just draws you to that person. Okay, that's got to become the stuff that. That's why you're mine, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:01:33

Because of that yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:01:35

Because you can either let that stuff get under your skin and oh, why are you farting again? Or you know what I mean, or it can't. You're my little farter baby. I love you.

Speaker 3: 1:01:46

Tootie McGee you're my.

Speaker 4: 1:01:48

Tootie McGee. What maybe not Tootie?

Speaker 2: 1:01:56

just chew your food more, it'll be okay it'll be okay but really, it's true, though.

Speaker 3: 1:02:03

It's true, though, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 1:02:04

It's true if you can, if you can find a way to take what annoys you and turn it into something positive, yeah, it draws you to them it makes a marriage so much better.

Speaker 4: 1:02:12

Yeah, right, because you know the person and you know, okay, they're doing this specific thing. That means they're, they're stressed out or they're getting too much weight, or they're happy, and so you do, you get to know them. Or that was an anxious dude, that was a they just had fish. You know, I don't know I thought you didn't.

Speaker 2: 1:02:33

You're the best dude. That was a fish bark. Is that a thing? I don't know.

Speaker 3: 1:02:41

I just made that up.

Speaker 1: 1:02:42

Too many omega-3s.

Speaker 3: 1:02:44

Right.

Speaker 4: 1:02:50

It's like that, up too many omega-3s too many.

Speaker 2: 1:02:52

Take that krill oil, it's too much. You're an insight you're a couple years married to nate and ethan bobs out yeah, literally, uh, yes so this is 2008, 2009, 2007, 2007.

Speaker 4: 1:03:06

Oh, right before the crash oh yeah, that had to been hard having the kiddo and newborn and he's a cop and you're yeah, wow, yeah, it really definitely kind of turned our world upside down and we weren't really trying to have kids, but you know, we were doing things that caused kids to happen, which?

Speaker 2: 1:03:25

is good because we're married. When you guys were dating and then you got married, you guys bought a home.

Speaker 4: 1:03:30

Yes, Okay, so we started in a condo just up the road off of Guadalupe Nope, elliott and Burke and now we live like a mile from there, which is so fun. And now we live like a mile from there, which is so fun. Um, yeah, we had this little condo and, um, and maybe like a year before we had ethan, we were like I think it's time to to move into own a home yeah um, because there was only two bedrooms.

Speaker 1: 1:03:59

It was tiny yeah, did you guys own a condo or written we, we owned, like nate was really smart like he really.

Speaker 4: 1:04:05

Yeah, he did a lot of really good smart things and and let our family well, even before we had kids, um. And so he's like, yeah, this condo is for sale, I want to buy it for us. And so we bought it. Um, it's so cheap. So that's cool, um, and. But we were able to sell it for a lot more than we bought it for and put that into our new home. So we bought a brand new home Come on. Like picked out all the furnishings. That's not the one you're at now no no, no, oh okay, no.

Speaker 4: 1:04:37

This ended up being like the perfect little spot for us to have a family over on Ray and Wrecker. Yeah, it was a newer neighborhood, new developed neighborhood, um, and so we lived with my parents for a little bit while the house was being built, um, and I think we moved in. We'd only been there a couple months and I was like, hey, we're pregnant and, um, I'm crying because I wasn't ready for it.

Speaker 2: 1:05:07

Your dad had to have been happy.

Speaker 4: 1:05:09

I think he was happy.

Speaker 2: 1:05:10

Of course man.

Speaker 1: 1:05:11

Especially my mom.

Speaker 4: 1:05:12

Oh my gosh, my mom was so excited.

Speaker 2: 1:05:14

Yeah, she's probably like my mom. Now Where's my grandbaby?

Speaker 4: 1:05:18

She was beside herself. She was so excited and Nate was so excited and then we found out we were having a boy. And it was just it was such a neat season. And then we brought him home and I went back to work. That was the plan. I was like I'm going to go back to work. We just had this new truck, we have this new home and we had all the things cable, all of the amenities we were used to eating out you know yeah yeah, and I think that lasted for maybe a month and I came home and I was like I need to be home with the kids.

Speaker 1: 1:05:59

How can we do this? Who was watching them for that month?

Speaker 4: 1:06:02

Nate's parents.

Speaker 1: 1:06:02

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:06:04

They would watch him during the day, which was such a blessing. Thank God for family.

Speaker 4: 1:06:08

Honestly, they really were like both families were just so key in those early years with the kids.

Speaker 2: 1:06:16

Takes a village to raise a kid man. It does it really does.

Speaker 4: 1:06:18

It really does Unless you're.

Speaker 1: 1:06:20

Hillary Clinton, then stay away. Oh my God, dad, we won't go there, don't go there, we don't need another rabbit trail bud Jesus.

Speaker 4: 1:06:30

Save that for the Thanksgiving dinner table.

Speaker 3: 1:06:32

I'm not allowed to talk about that stuff at home.

Speaker 1: 1:06:34

No, no, okay, I heard this I get shut down quick. I heard this good line.

Speaker 4: 1:06:38

When someone brings up something you don't want to talk about, you just say I'd rather hear more about you.

Speaker 1: 1:06:43

Oh, that's good. That should turn it around. Unless they're really persistent, I don't know. But anyway, I'm pretty persistent. Yeah, I was like, but you're the one asking the question.

Speaker 4: 1:06:53

So that doesn't work.

Speaker 1: 1:06:55

My bad, I didn't mean to say that. No, you're good, it's great. She said that one time on TV.

Speaker 4: 1:06:58

That's why I said that, oh yeah we know, anyways, but Jesus still loves her guys. He does, he does. Anyway, it's hard to pray for her, though it is, but it's okay. That's why we have the Holy Spirit. He helps us. Bless her, god, jesus. Okay, off topic.

Speaker 1: 1:07:16

So you get out, so you stop working because you want to raise kids.

Speaker 4: 1:07:19

Yes, yeah. So, nate, he's like all right, let do it. And so he sells this truck. My parents are like whatever we can do to help you, so they give us money, so we can, because we were upside down on the truck, because it was brand new. Yeah, guys, don't buy brand new cars. Okay, don't do that.

Speaker 2: 1:07:36

All right, um they're expensive wisdom wait until they leave the lot they'll drop 10 grand, exactly, you drive it off.

Speaker 1: 1:07:44

Go listen to dave ramsey um yeah, we'll get one that's got 30 000 miles. Yeah, yes, so much to go buy a used vehicle okay get the extended warranty donald don't use names we bought my wife, but 2019 yeah, uh, kia sportage had like 30 000 miles on it. It's like 19 grand normally they were like 30 000 man right, and she loves it yeah, it's great payments are like 300 bucks a month, you know I mean yeah, yeah, definitely the way to go.

Speaker 4: 1:08:17

That's the way to go. Don't buy brand new, no, so we didn't do that. So we were upside down and um so my parents were like we believe in you being home. My mom was able to be home with us.

Speaker 1: 1:08:31

I miss your folks. They're awesome, they are.

Speaker 4: 1:08:34

They love you guys.

Speaker 1: 1:08:34

Love you, Chris.

Speaker 2: 1:08:36

Love you.

Speaker 4: 1:08:36

Donna, I keep forgetting. There's a video, everybody point.

Speaker 2: 1:08:41

Yeah, we see you.

Speaker 4: 1:08:44

I love that.

Speaker 3: 1:08:45

Oh gosh.

Speaker 4: 1:08:46

Yeah, so they were like we are bought in what? What can we do to help you?

Speaker 1: 1:08:50

so they help us um were they, was this their first grandkids out of you?

Speaker 4: 1:08:54

your sister you and your sisters all right, I'm the oldest, oldest I was, that doesn't mean, she had grandkids first it's true, um, but I was, I was. I was the first one not only in like my side of the family, but Nate's side and of my cousins.

Speaker 2: 1:09:09

Oh wow, oh. So Ethan was spoiled. Little baby, Everybody wanted that baby. Give me the baby Seriously.

Speaker 3: 1:09:18

I would like to see the baby.

Speaker 1: 1:09:21

Get in my belly.

Speaker 3: 1:09:23

That was different, so yeah so he was different, that was different so yeah, so he was born.

Speaker 4: 1:09:29

Such a blessing. We figured out, we shot off the cable, we cut our budget down. Wow, we sell the car.

Speaker 1: 1:09:37

Was that hard? Was that hard to do?

Speaker 2: 1:09:39

No, why did you do it?

Speaker 1: 1:09:40

No To get out of debt, so she didn't have to work.

Speaker 4: 1:09:43

So I could stay home.

Speaker 2: 1:09:44

So we could make the money. No more eating now, no more oh okay, yeah, I'm making lunch for Nate.

Speaker 4: 1:09:52

He's literally eating rice and beans, beans and rice. Yeah, we can't have rice and beans anymore to this day.

Speaker 3: 1:09:59

Yeah, if you listen to Dave Ramsey.

Speaker 2: 1:10:01

That's how I am with spaghetti. Yeah, I don't want prison and recovery and teen challenge.

Speaker 1: 1:10:06

I'm sick of spaghetti, yeah we just switch up the noodles.

Speaker 2: 1:10:09

Now they do the little shells?

Speaker 1: 1:10:13

it changes the whole thing it does.

Speaker 4: 1:10:15

It was the best it's true, yeah, so that transition wasn't hard at all no postpartum depression or nothing like that.

Speaker 3: 1:10:23

No, okay did you pop?

Speaker 2: 1:10:26

right back to like one of those girls that has the kid and right back to your old body.

Speaker 4: 1:10:30

It's like all right, let's go yeah, I did okay I'm sorry guys I know no some girls are really some girls are like she's one of those thanks mom for the

Speaker 3: 1:10:44

good cheese. I love you. Um, okay, you're really blessed.

Speaker 4: 1:10:46

I was a stay-at-home mom.

Speaker 1: 1:10:48

Was that shift easy? Because you wanted to be a stay-at-home mom?

Speaker 4: 1:10:51

That part, the being there was easy, but I didn't, Guys, I was not a homemaker. I did not know how to care for a home. Really, that was not something that came natural to me. It's still a struggle. I have to literally make schedules. It's been something God's been teaching me to do Seriously. Like me and the Holy Spirit, I'm like okay, holy Spirit, what do you want me to do today that will bless my husband? And he's like wash the floor.

Speaker 2: 1:11:19

That's really good and.

Speaker 4: 1:11:19

I was like, okay, jesus, I'm going to wash the floor, Like literally, like that. But I did not. I didn't have that discipline, I didn't understand the importance of it at that time. So it was. We went through some hard seasons because we were just in two different worlds, Right?

Speaker 2: 1:11:37

So Because he's working all day and coming home and some dinner. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4: 1:11:42

Well, not even that, because he was working in a swing shift.

Speaker 3: 1:11:45

Oh geez.

Speaker 4: 1:11:46

So not only were we on different, different schedules, we were in two opposite spectrums of life so he's dealing with like the worst of humanity. I'm in my tiny little happy bubble with a baby and we go out our front porch and there's a park literally in our front yard, yeah, yeah, and so we. Just that was my world, and so I'm in this little world, jesus, at this time, we're going to, we are going to. We started a church plant with, like our closest friends.

Speaker 3: 1:12:19

Really.

Speaker 4: 1:12:20

And so we're in this really intimate, like 30 people church.

Speaker 3: 1:12:24

Wow.

Speaker 4: 1:12:25

And so we're like family. It's more like a family club than it is necessarily a church yeah, yeah um, because we didn't grow. It was not healthy yeah, how did you?

Speaker 1: 1:12:38

did you leave the church after you got married or before you got married?

Speaker 4: 1:12:40

so yeah, so before we got married, probably when I was 18, I stepped away from the catholic church and started coming to an assemblies of god church sunrise just up the street.

Speaker 1: 1:12:50

Shout out to sunrise, how'd your mom deal with that oh no, it was not good guys my parents were okay with it.

Speaker 4: 1:12:58

Probably not really, but they weren't okay with it and, like the extended family they did not understand, because you left the catholicism, you left the religion. Yeah as a catholic, if you're not going to sit to mass on sunday, you're going to hell like that is considered a cardinal sin. Yeah, and um so yeah, that's a thing um so they just they didn't understand and that was okay um.

Speaker 2: 1:13:27

Nate's a Christian though. Yeah, yeah, so he is.

Speaker 4: 1:13:30

I start going to his church this little Assemblies of God church and we start working with the youth and I started teaching like Sunday school lessons. Man dude Wow, so we're that was before we had kids, so from the time we were dating, so from like 18 to 23, we were there and then that church split and we started like a plant for that church.

Speaker 3: 1:13:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:13:59

With, like his, the kids he grew up with had that church and so they became like our family. But then we can like, every two years we'd have another kid, we had aubrey and oh nine, and then little nora. We thought we thought we were done with with aubrey and, but I just knew, I knew we weren't done I knew we there was one more we were gonna have, and so I was like okay, we're done, um, and then, sure enough, two years later, little.

Speaker 3: 1:14:26

Nora's born.

Speaker 4: 1:14:28

And I was like we could not imagine our lives without Nora.

Speaker 3: 1:14:31

She just completes the package.

Speaker 4: 1:14:33

She's a sweet little spitfire and so, yeah, I'm raising the kids and just being a stay-at-home mom trying to figure out how to do it all.

Speaker 1: 1:14:46

So from Ethan to Nora is four years a stay-at-home mom trying to figure out like how to, how to do it all in. So from ethan to nora is four years that whole time you're still at a stay-at-home mom, yeah, yeah I got to be a stay-at-home mom until nora went to kindergarten really so I got to be home with them and really lay that foundation.

Speaker 2: 1:15:01

Yeah, what was that? Six years, seven years, such a blessing, yeah more than that yeah that was a minute.

Speaker 1: 1:15:07

My wife got to stay home with our kids and I would not change her for the world.

Speaker 4: 1:15:11

You can't get those years back.

Speaker 1: 1:15:13

No. And it does make a difference.

Speaker 4: 1:15:17

And you want to be the one.

Speaker 1: 1:15:18

Because those years are informative.

Speaker 2: 1:15:20

They're very formative.

Speaker 1: 1:15:21

From birth till five, that's when the foundation is laid. You know what I mean. The last thing you want is some daycare or somebody else laying that foundation for you, man right someone who is not invested in their future in their legacy.

Speaker 4: 1:15:36

Um, and I understand, like some, sometimes you just can't, it's not a possibility.

Speaker 1: 1:15:41

I get that my wife maybe promised her that if we were having kids she'd get to stay home and I'm like well, get it girl.

Speaker 2: 1:15:46

Well they looked at it, and it would have been more expensive for them to work and to babysit her, and every day it was like we're losing money the cost of daycare.

Speaker 1: 1:15:54

Crazy Retarded.

Speaker 4: 1:15:57

It's really silly.

Speaker 1: 1:15:58

And this is 24 years ago and it was like Nowadays. So she went to one have got a job at the time.

Speaker 3: 1:16:04

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:16:05

With what we were getting in food stamps and health insurance through access, okay, and WIC and all that stuff yeah. If she would have went and got a job, we would have been losing money. Oh yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4: 1:16:16

Yeah, you would have lost all those benefits, and so it was like.

Speaker 1: 1:16:18

that doesn't make sense, yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:16:21

You know's? Yeah, we weighed the cost benefit as well and it was like, okay, I, we might bring home maybe 300, 200 extra dollars if I stayed working.

Speaker 1: 1:16:32

But for what?

Speaker 4: 1:16:33

Right For gas money to drive to a job. I don't want to be at where someone else raises my children.

Speaker 3: 1:16:38

No, thank you, we are going to sacrifice.

Speaker 4: 1:16:40

Yeah, and I wasn't a sacrifice, but it wasn't it wasn't, I would do it again.

Speaker 2: 1:16:49

And you were able to pour in. You planted so many seeds.

Speaker 1: 1:16:53

You were able to have an influence, seeing your kids the way they are.

Speaker 3: 1:16:56

God, you did great it was well worth it, great Thank you.

Speaker 2: 1:17:00

You raised a couple of champions man.

Speaker 4: 1:17:02

Yeah, definitely World changers.

Speaker 2: 1:17:04

Come on.

Speaker 4: 1:17:05

But it took Nate providing for a family and working hard and taking extra shifts. And when the housing market crashed, our house was upside down and all our friends were reselling their houses and getting new houses. And we're just like, but we can still afford this, so we're going to keep affording it. And we're just like, but we can still afford this, yeah, so we're gonna keep affording it and we're not gonna lie.

Speaker 4: 1:17:31

Um, and it was hard because it would have been so easy to just be like oh yeah, we can't make the payments yeah but we, we chose to do it that way, amen. And we're like okay, god, I trust you, yeah, you're gonna provide that's honorable and he always provided.

Speaker 4: 1:17:46

We've never lacked for anything. Um, there are times where, you know, it might have been a little tight, but even that, like we always had food, we always had things. And like that season where I was at home with the kids and nate was working and we didn't get to see him for a lot of holidays, like, yeah, because he was new and so he gets all the crap shifts.

Speaker 2: 1:18:08

He's the lower man on the totem pole weekends and he does all the stuff that none of the old guys want to do, right?

Speaker 4: 1:18:15

yeah, that's how it goes, and that's how it goes we just learned to do it um together, and my my parents were such a good covering like they. We went over there every friday night for pizza. They'd get pizza and they, we went over there every Friday night for pizza.

Speaker 3: 1:18:28

They'd get pizza and they'd say come over with the kids and they'd play with them, and it's awesome.

Speaker 4: 1:18:34

Like they were so critical in that season and they lived almost in the same neighborhood. We could just like drive over there and take like two minutes Um and even like oh my gosh, god was so good, good God was so good, god was so good.

Speaker 1: 1:18:48

So after Nora was born, we came here, god was like we visited with my brother-in-law, Chris Peterson he was here already.

Speaker 2: 1:19:04

Yeah, he had been here for a year.

Speaker 4: 1:19:06

Maybe we got to get him on this thing.

Speaker 3: 1:19:08

That'd be good If you're're listening, I can still take you yeah, how dare you come here and don't even say hi to me, bro he came at the memorial man and I found out he was here.

Speaker 2: 1:19:18

I was like what, I didn't even see him. He didn't even give me a hug he saw me when I was up there. He's like you had people around him. I'm like yeah it's crazy.

Speaker 1: 1:19:27

You know how it is. He says to him all the time I can take it bro.

Speaker 3: 1:19:32

I love that. You better still be in the gym, boy. He showed me his gun. I'm like I'll get you before you get to that thing, dude, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 1:19:38

That's nothing, Although when I did see him here, the I'm like whoa dude.

Speaker 2: 1:19:43

Has he got some muscle he working out?

Speaker 1: 1:19:45

He's all tight, I'm like yeah, I'm like I'm going to question that now, dude.

Speaker 2: 1:19:48

You're a little stocky dude. He's putting in the work.

Speaker 3: 1:19:51

Yeah man, that's right, I can still take you though.

Speaker 1: 1:19:55

I got that old man strength buddy I'll take your legs out.

Speaker 4: 1:19:59

He grew up in downtown Mesa.

Speaker 2: 1:20:04

I'll cut you homie. Oh my God, this is different from every other one. This is great. You're welcome. This is great.

Speaker 1: 1:20:13

I might love me some Jesus, but I'll cut you.

Speaker 2: 1:20:17

Help him, Lord.

Speaker 4: 1:20:18

He calls us to be warriors, jesus will just put the ear back.

Speaker 1: 1:20:21

It'll be fine, you ever heard of that. She's a. I don't know if you can call her a Christian comedian, but she's a Christian comedian. Her name is Jacqueline something, but she's talking about how she was some girls you know, their eyelashes are intertwined. She says I might love me some, Jesus, but I'll cut you. I love that so much. That's where I got that from. I like it. I think Jesus thinks.

Speaker 4: 1:20:46

That's where I got that from. I like it. I think Jesus thinks that's funny he does.

Speaker 3: 1:20:49

Yeah, oh, he laughs at us.

Speaker 4: 1:20:51

I was like he loves us. He has a great sense of humor he really does and he made us Perfect for himself.

Speaker 1: 1:20:57

He's probably up there Going look at these clouds.

Speaker 2: 1:20:58

Yeah, he's laughing at us, right.

Speaker 3: 1:21:01

He's like I love those guys. No, they're a fool, but they're fools for me.

Speaker 4: 1:21:04

I love it. I love you, lord, a hundred percent. Thank you, jesus.

Speaker 1: 1:21:09

See, god wants to change our heart, not our personalities. Right, that's what people don't get. They think because you've got to come to God, you've got to be some stick.

Speaker 2: 1:21:15

You've got to get all weird. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 1:21:21

Can't have fun. It's love people. Be goofy, be funny, be all the things you were before.

Speaker 4: 1:21:26

We just don't cuss you know, right and love people, man, but be funny because god takes that he uses our personalities to reach people.

Speaker 1: 1:21:35

He gave it to us exactly. He's the one that allowed everything to happen to shape us and mold us, to make our personalities what they are. He doesn't want to change that.

Speaker 4: 1:21:41

He just wants to change our hearts exactly because he wants to connect with a robot that's the name like people want authenticity. They don't want genuine.

Speaker 2: 1:21:50

They don't want nowadays everybody. You can feel it.

Speaker 1: 1:21:52

You can sense it, yes, you can tell. That's one thing I loved about chris was his, his ornery sensory humor I didn't get it, I did.

Speaker 3: 1:22:03

He tell me I'm like huh I love you bro miss you dude yeah, dude, what was?

Speaker 1: 1:22:18

your what was probably your scariest moment, with your husband being a police officer um, there were lots of times probably another couple. He told us that probably freaked out a little bit yeah, there was that, probably his first shooting.

Speaker 4: 1:22:33

Yeah, I was home with the kids and, um, I got that phone call in the middle of the night from him or his superiors and he's like hey, nate was in the shooting he was able to actually call me okay. He's like, hey, I'm okay. That's never good when they start out.

Speaker 2: 1:22:48

Hey, I'm okay. Okay, what happened? Yeah?

Speaker 4: 1:22:52

he's like, yeah, I was in a shooting and, um, I'm okay, but I I won't be home for a while. Yeah, um, and that was that, that was scary and I didn't have, I didn't have the files to know what to do with that, and so, honestly, like I, I wish. I could go back and do it over, but I wouldn't. I can't, um cause I really just disassociated, um cause I just didn't, I didn't have the file for it and so, um, I didn't know how to be supportive to him in that season.

Speaker 4: 1:23:28

That's really hard to know that he was struggling and I didn't know how to help him, because it's real, like PTSD is real.

Speaker 2: 1:23:40

Oh, it's real and it's so heavy and it ruins men. It does.

Speaker 4: 1:23:44

And typically they just destruct, they self-destruct and they disconnect drinking and drugging.

Speaker 2: 1:23:50

That helps yeah, yeah, they turn to substances and or it doesn't help it, jesus no, it leads you into hell trust me I

Speaker 3: 1:23:59

know right, because you're just trying to numb, so you don't have to feel, yeah, um, and then the dog bite.

Speaker 4: 1:24:07

One was pretty scary, got bit by a dog, and again I was at home with the kids and they were little so I couldn't leave yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:24:16

Or.

Speaker 4: 1:24:16

I felt like I couldn't leave, and it was always in the middle of the night.

Speaker 3: 1:24:19

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:24:20

And I wish I would have had like mom, can I call you? But they were both working at that time. Yeah, mom, can I call you? But they were both working at a time, and so there's like all these built-up excuses and I have this like delayed reaction type of thing where, uh, to know what to do in the time, like a timely manner, is hard for me, and so I'm working with that god's working that out yeah, um, but that it really started to get like.

Speaker 4: 1:24:46

We went through some hard years there where he was really struggling and I didn't really know how to what to do. Yeah, um, I prayed a lot, a lot, um, and that's when we were fairly new to lifelink yeah so we're still establishing friends. I feel like that's really when, when did?

Speaker 2: 1:25:05

did you guys get into LifeLink?

Speaker 4: 1:25:07

2011.

Speaker 2: 1:25:09

Yeah, Nora was a baby, so they weren't in this building yet.

Speaker 4: 1:25:12

No we just started. Perry, we think we went to CTA once. Oh, so you caught the last of the CTA and then into Perry, into Perry, so we were in Perry, yeah, and so we just, and when we left our old church it was like a divorce.

Speaker 2: 1:25:30

The one with Nate's friend, the 30 people that were always buddies.

Speaker 4: 1:25:33

They were like our family. Yeah, they did not. They weren't like. They were the type of Christians where they're like if you're not going to our church you are against us, oh wow. And they did not understand. That's how a lot of them are man.

Speaker 2: 1:25:46

There's a lot of them out there like that, yep.

Speaker 4: 1:25:49

And so we lost. We're on the same team, right, we lost our support group. Wow and Nate really needed a support group in that season, and so we came here.

Speaker 2: 1:26:00

Is that why he reached out to Chris? I'm sure Chris was maybe ministering to him and telling him about this place.

Speaker 4: 1:26:07

He was telling him yeah, he was trying to get him to come here because our church was a club. It wasn't really a healthy, life-giving church. We preach the Bible, but like there are some things that just Very clicky, there's just some stuff.

Speaker 2: 1:26:23

Yeah, there's some stuff, it just wasn't. People got stuff. Yeah, we've got stuff. When you don't deal with the stuff, this stuff uh tends to affect and infect everything around it.

Speaker 4: 1:26:32

Amen and yeah amen so, uh, yeah, we found the lifelink and so healthy it was like a breath of fresh air. I was like oh, this was, this is what this is what it's supposed to be like. Yes, I felt like drinking a cold glass of water when you're so thirsty. And it was so refreshing to our souls and for a while we just took it in and just got healed and filled.

Speaker 2: 1:27:01

Oh, so you spent a season just sitting.

Speaker 4: 1:27:03

A little season. I don't think it was very big. We probably should have sat longer, to be honest with you, amen, um, but we were so excited to be a part of it and we were just so eager to serve that we kind of jumped in and it's easy to do here.

Speaker 1: 1:27:17

Oh my god, yeah yeah, there's plenty of opportunities, man well, not only that they just it's such a like you said, such life giving that you're like god. I just want to be a part of this any way I can be.

Speaker 4: 1:27:27

Whatever you want, and we were, so I was. I was a people pleaser. I'm in the process of being a reformed people pleaser.

Speaker 2: 1:27:37

We have a group for that Right.

Speaker 3: 1:27:40

Monday night.

Speaker 2: 1:27:41

Come on, sis, let's save you a seat.

Speaker 4: 1:27:45

So I was saying yes because I just wanted to be a part of it. I said yes to everything and, um, I don't recall being burnt out, but I we probably said yes to too much. But it's also how we got to know people and it was really good um, and it wasn't really until we stepped to the front lines and we started leading life groups.

Speaker 3: 1:28:08

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:28:08

Because we attended. We went to Charlotte and Rogers Financial Peace University and it was life changing and they were so integral in our walk and they're so special I miss them Sorry. Oh, you're totally fine told you, I'd bring the tears come on now. Um and um, it wasn't really until we started leading that we really experienced some like serious yeah spiritual warfare yeah thank.

Speaker 1: 1:28:45

Um life groups. Ain't easy man.

Speaker 4: 1:28:48

It's not and, like the enemy, came for our marriage. He came for our marriage and it got really heavy and really hard, um and uh. But God was with us through it and we were able to go to counseling for a little bit, um, and since then we found like real life giving counseling and like Christian counselors who are able to like really work through our stuff.

Speaker 2: 1:29:17

That's really good.

Speaker 4: 1:29:18

And God's just. His hand is in it, his hand is in it.

Speaker 2: 1:29:21

Well, you guys are committed. You're committed to each other and you want to put in the work so that you can get to the other side of the thing. Yes, so that's yeah. That in itself, you being willing to do that, is 90 of the battle, man a lot of people just ain't willing, and there's nothing wrong with doing that.

Speaker 1: 1:29:37

No, I think people that I think christians need to understand that it's okay yeah, medication, counseling, therapy, it's okay, whatever you few sessions of counseling, and work through some things, well, you remember what the old church did.

Speaker 2: 1:29:51

You need to have more faith. You need to pray harder. You need to fast. It's like wait dude. No, that's working for me.

Speaker 4: 1:29:57

Right, it's a yes. In my opinion it's a yes, and and it's interesting. So we're here. God is doing so many things like equipping us to do what we're supposed to do and like connecting us to people who will be lifelong friends, and it was just such a place of health and growth and you know, our kids got to grow up in such a beautiful environment.

Speaker 1: 1:30:24

Amen, that's real.

Speaker 3: 1:30:25

Our kids got to grow up in such a beautiful environment Amen. That's real.

Speaker 4: 1:30:32

It really helped create that bedrock of who they are in their walk with Jesus, because each one of them loves the Lord so much.

Speaker 1: 1:30:36

Come on.

Speaker 4: 1:30:37

They're passionate worshipers, yeah, and all their walks look different and unique, just like them, yeah, but they are all pursuing jesus and we love god, and he's brought us to a place where they're.

Speaker 1: 1:30:52

It's what they needed in the season yeah, that was hard but um what was the first life group you guys led together it was probably financial peace university oh wow, the one that impacted you guys.

Speaker 4: 1:31:03

No, I mean, we did end up leading that a lot Okay. It was either that one, or were you guys here when we did that? It was a book we all did as a church. I can't remember what it was. It was essentially learning how to read the Bible and study the Bible.

Speaker 1: 1:31:22

I think we were here until 14.

Speaker 4: 1:31:25

Okay, yeah, sorry that was probably in 012 and I think that was what we started and that really was where we started facing some serious like spiritual warfare, but also God was like hey, you need to deal with this stuff. I feel like it's as Christians, we and I'm guilty of this 100% we, like everything's the devil's fault you know, take some responsibility for your choices and

Speaker 4: 1:31:54

the stuff you're doing stuff, you're watching stuff, you're letting in man, right, right where are the open doors, but also where's the stuff god needs to bring to the surface to take care of. Like because, we all come into this world with trauma, broken people, man. Like even before we're born we come into stuff because our parents have it.

Speaker 1: 1:32:15

It is passed down to us in our DNA generational man.

Speaker 4: 1:32:19

People don't understand that, and so he, you come into it with it and if you don't understand that, you carry that in your soul and you don't need. You don't understand. You need to clean that out, amen. You're gonna carry it and you're gonna spill that it on to people and you can't get into the levels god wants you to get into if you don't fix it how long did we just?

Speaker 2: 1:32:42

this is just the way I am.

Speaker 4: 1:32:44

Oh, this is just the way I am.

Speaker 3: 1:32:45

This is just the way I am. That's just the way.

Speaker 1: 1:32:46

I am.

Speaker 2: 1:32:46

This is what I do.

Speaker 1: 1:32:47

This is how I was raised. This is how I was. It's what we do.

Speaker 3: 1:32:51

Us. It wasn't until I got into recovery that.

Speaker 2: 1:32:53

I started to get tools and stuff. Even through Teen Challenge and being saved it was like, yeah, it was crazy man, I got the Bible, I got the Holy Spirit. I got the Holy Spirit I got the whole importance of Jesus and church but having actual tools and steps and inventory and making amends and just working my recovery Right, right.

Speaker 1: 1:33:20

Or learning that you can healthily process your emotions?

Speaker 2: 1:33:22

Yeah, that I can change. It's like what you can process your emotions Right?

Speaker 3: 1:33:29

I'm supposed to process them.

Speaker 2: 1:33:31

I'm not supposed to carry them and bury them down. No, I don't want to feel like not today. No, they're supposed to flow through us.

Speaker 1: 1:33:37

They're there to tell us something. Yeah, check engine lights, man exactly that's good.

Speaker 4: 1:33:43

I like that check engine light car guy you know there's analogies for everything. I feel like the gym and car is like you can find analogies for life in all of them all over it's great, so God got us through that season you found 2011.

Speaker 2: 1:34:02

you got to LifeLink and Financial Peace University. Yeah, I remember when I so I got here in 14, but then left for a few years. Oh, yeah, and came back right after COVID and when I came back there was like Royal Rangers. Oh boy, there was just some different stuff that you guys had stepped into. He was on maintenance yeah, helping me I was helping him and we were kind of working together.

Speaker 4: 1:34:32

Yeah, there's a lot of stuff he was doing, yeah, we. So we went through a season of of stepping back um healing and then we really jumped back into it, did a lot like I was in kids. I was in the twos for forever. I loved working at the littles and then I was you had yours back there.

Speaker 3: 1:34:54

Yeah, my kids. The girls served with me.

Speaker 4: 1:34:57

They love it. They're back serving with kids again and then we moved to kids. They love it. They're like mom we want to serve. I'm like let's go. Okay, and Ethan's doing production, come on so yeah, we just you know, did the, the vbs and um, we were making sets for a while as a family.

Speaker 2: 1:35:20

That's when you came in, you took over. Thank you, thank. We got somebody that took over for him, so he's like thank you it was stressful.

Speaker 1: 1:35:29

It's a lot dude. For me it was a good season. I mean I love building stuff anyways, but it's a lot.

Speaker 2: 1:35:36

And he works six days a week and he serves all day on. Sunday. It's like when are you getting your rest? Bud?

Speaker 1: 1:35:42

I've had to step away from it.

Speaker 4: 1:35:43

Yeah, that is the hard part right.

Speaker 1: 1:35:45

I agreed to do this one for Christmas and I realized I really don't have the time. I'm dealing with some high blood pressure.

Speaker 4: 1:35:52

Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:35:52

So I had to call Pastor Lacey and tell her hey. I really need to step back from this.

Speaker 3: 1:35:57

Good.

Speaker 1: 1:35:57

My blood pressure's through the roof. I really don't have the time. You know what I mean. Yeah, is more important, but I'm like it's hard. It is. We want to say, yes, right, gotta have boundaries. Well, there's nothing. For me, the thrill of it was as to when you come in on sunday to see the kids play yeah, and you're like I made that you're like damn, I was part of that yeah, I don't even have okay, I'm not gonna talk about that, I'll talk about that so for me being a part of that right.

Speaker 1: 1:36:26

I don't have kids. My kids are all adults, yeah, so I would help and I would come in to help set up, and I see that the people that are setting up are like pastors and things like that and I'm like where's all these kids, parents at? Right I'm like you want your kid in this play, but you're not willing to come and invest right, that was always the thing.

Speaker 4: 1:36:47

It still is the thing it still is, but that's, and I feel like that's just they love dropping their kids off.

Speaker 3: 1:36:56

It's the world we live in now people.

Speaker 4: 1:36:58

We're calling you out, but would they stay and help decorate? Be a part of it. Do something with your kids. If your kids are in place, yeah, help. Yeah, be a part of it, man mom, man, be a son of the house, yeah, or daughter.

Speaker 2: 1:37:13

I love you okay you know, she says that with love but I enjoyed it.

Speaker 1: 1:37:17

It was a good season, yeah it was I mean yeah, but yeah I know you're good, you're good yeah, I'm not a good multitasker, you're're good.

Speaker 4: 1:37:26

I got to make sure my kids are taken care of yeah, you got kiddos, man we understand. They're like where do I go? I'm like I don't know.

Speaker 2: 1:37:33

Figure it out.

Speaker 4: 1:37:34

Just use your spidey sense.

Speaker 2: 1:37:38

Ask Jesus, right, oh Jesus. So when I got here, nate was the parking lot guy. Oh yes, and I remember going through the growth track. Well, hold on they.

Speaker 1: 1:37:53

Yeah, they told him that he can't serve in the building because of his mouth. I'm like, I'm like I want to be an usher. You know what?

Speaker 3: 1:37:58

I mean.

Speaker 1: 1:37:59

So I go and I apply for an usher and that first time ever in church I had to fill out a background check wow, you know what I mean. So I fill out a background check and uh, uh, forget who was come to me. And they're like hey, uh, buddy, um, uh, man, we love that you want to serve and all that, but uh your background.

Speaker 1: 1:38:15

You got a crazy past buddy, like you've been arrested a lot, yeah, we can't have you up there working with money you know what I mean and I'm like so what am I gonna do, you know? I mean, they're like, you can always go to the park oh, but he loved it. He fell right into his place I mean at the first, I thought parking lot, you're sticking me outside god made it very clear you're the front man yeah, and so for me, I was out there being just goofy eddie you're not goofy eddie oh, I was being goofy I had my little, they had the little pylon the air traffic controller things

Speaker 1: 1:38:55

I'm out there spinning them. I'm doing things you know I'm just, I've made the best of it, man, easter time I had east beers on christmas time. I had christmas hat on, but I was just out there.

Speaker 1: 1:39:05

I made the best you did ask people when they're getting out of the car, how you doing. God bless you. Can I pray for you? Everything good. You know what I mean. Really loved it, man. You know what I mean. But for me the most amazing thing was your husband being a police officer. I know, right, me being a convict. I love this story, you know from these guys and I remember, now you're serving god, I still remember our first conversation, right, and it was like it's what's it like being, you know, being a peace officer man he's like.

Speaker 1: 1:39:32

What's it like being a convict?

Speaker 1: 1:39:35

and tell me about your world and we come to this realization almost at the same time. Isn't it crazy how god can take two people in a normal life would probably be, yeah, utmost enemies of each other. Put them in a church setting, and I mean, your husband became one of my best friends here, One of the dudes that I looked up to and talked to and opened up to about things man Still to this day when he came on our show it was awesome. Every time I see him, I love seeing him and he really helped me grow as a man.

Speaker 1: 1:40:04

You know, what I mean he really did, because I didn't know what the hell a man was. My idea of growing up as a man was these and a bunch of other things. You know what I mean. Yeah, what the world?

Speaker 4: 1:40:18

tells you a man is. It's few and far between and I know that's part of his calling and anointing is to lead men, heal men, teach men how to heal and be men.

Speaker 1: 1:40:28

Yeah, and then he was on the men's leadership team, yeah, so then I got to be on that and kind of see what it means to be, you know, and I'm still on the men's leadership team I love that Because of that, you know what I mean. That's awesome and it's fun, man, that's beautiful. That will always be a treasured memory of mine is our conversations and just how God can bring a police officer and a convict together. You know what I mean.

Speaker 4: 1:40:51

That's so like.

Speaker 1: 1:40:52

God.

Speaker 4: 1:40:52

That's so kingdom.

Speaker 3: 1:40:53

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:40:54

I just love, I love seeing those snapshots of God just bringing his kingdom. Yeah, like the lion and the lamb laying together. Yeah, he brought two polar opposite worlds.

Speaker 1: 1:41:04

Yeah, he did, man, and like look at you guys. And I used to love asking them questions.

Speaker 4: 1:41:09

You know what I mean things like that, like how fun to get to ask those questions. Yeah, it was cool for me it's so fun. God is cool like that. I treasure him man, he's a dear dude to me man he feels the same way, he's good.

Speaker 4: 1:41:26

I love that, thank you thank you and I have to say your ministry in the parking lot really was life-changing because, you don't know what people are walking in with, and I know there are multiple times where we were walking in with stuff yeah you know, we had a real morning we were fighting. You know, whatever we walk out and you're like hi guys, hi brother. And you're like hi guys, hi brother.

Speaker 3: 1:41:46

And you're like okay.

Speaker 1: 1:41:48

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:41:48

All right, I'm all right. Now it melted away there was one lady.

Speaker 1: 1:41:53

She had two teenage boys and she would always. You know, I was trying to be cheerful, like I always am, and she was like oh, this one right here, man. You know what I mean? I'm like come on, dude, give your mama you know what I mean. Give your mama a break in the morning, but it was things like that you know what I mean Ministering in the parking lot, yeah dude, and all the times I asked people to pray, there was only one person that let me pray for them.

Speaker 4: 1:42:16

Really and that was Nathan Chubb. Oh.

Speaker 1: 1:42:18

That was his last name Was that his oh Nathan Club.

Speaker 4: 1:42:22

Yeah, yeah, His dad had just passed away.

Speaker 1: 1:42:25

Oh geez. And so he's like, yeah, I could use some really prayer, my dad. I'm like what? You're like this Out of all the things to pray for man, I got to pray for this guy who just lost his dad, but I prayed for him anyways. You know what I mean. Yeah, of course, he was the only one that actually let me pray for him in the.

Speaker 4: 1:42:42

Yeah, that's surprising. Yeah, but I love that you were faithful to ask and you kept asking and god prepared. I'm sure he gave you the words to say oh yeah, and I'm sure donuts. I remember donuts lots of donuts, yes yeah we're great yeah, that's how I knew he was a police officer, because you bring in donuts so like not for a long, not For a long time. He wouldn't eat donuts.

Speaker 4: 1:43:07

Because, he didn't want to be part of the stereotype, but who doesn't love donuts, you know, like they're delicious? Yeah, they're delicious, we had our little pop-up tent right there yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:43:16

The first parking lot that we would all stand at.

Speaker 3: 1:43:18

Yeah, it was a good time for me, so good.

Speaker 2: 1:43:28

That real church experience, oh wow, yeah no, it was because, like, we went to phoenix community church for a little bit, yeah, but we didn't have that, but I wasn't, but it wasn't like, yeah, there wasn't the serving opportunities. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1: 1:43:34

oh, okay, and so then there was a with pastor tom was only like eight months you know I mean before I went back to prison and so this church experience. Here was really my first church experience as far as interacting and serving and being in life, groups and things you know what I mean yeah, and I still remember my first life group with pastor tom I wanted, I wanted to never come back again, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 1:43:56

He called my mom a baby a millionaire, a pilot. I'm just out of prison.

Speaker 1: 1:44:02

I'm a mechanic making 3535,000 a year, and I'm sitting at these tables with a doctor, a real estate agent who's making $500,000 a year a professor at ASU Polytech, a businessman who just lost a million dollar business deal. And here I am, this lowly $35,000 mechanic. I felt really out of place.

Speaker 1: 1:44:22

Oh gosh, I called my wife on the way. I'm like I am never coming back. I'm like I felt face. Oh gosh, I called my wife on the way. I'm like I am never coming back. I'm like I felt so out of place, got no community, nothing with these dudes in common.

Speaker 4: 1:44:31

Wow, she's like just go back with being silly that's a good wife right there, and I went back see and when I got baptized, every one of them everyone of those.

Speaker 1: 1:44:38

They did, of course, yeah god showed me in that moment that the world lets the economic part divide us, but we have to let Jesus be the one that unites us.

Speaker 3: 1:44:50

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:44:50

Because I could have let their economical stature over me keep me away. Yeah, but in reality they were just brothers in Christ who just happened to be successful in life Exactly.

Speaker 4: 1:44:59

You know what I mean. Exactly, yeah it was awesome man.

Speaker 3: 1:45:01

That's beautiful. Yeah, I'm glad you came back. Yeah, me too. That's really good, that's really good.

Speaker 1: 1:45:06

Yeah, I love this place, it's good. So you guys are serving, we're serving, we're serving. Yes, you're doing youth with the kids.

Speaker 4: 1:45:13

Doing youth. We went through a stint of we did in the earlier days when we were here. We did young adults for a while. That was really fun. The for a while that was really fun, the kids were. The kids were little though and it became too hard because like it was a long days and they were just exhausted and we're like we're not, we're not staff so we don't need our kids to be, you know pks right now like they don't need to be exhausted, and so we decided to step away from that for a season, because it just wasn't right for our kids.

Speaker 4: 1:45:49

They were little and they needed lunch and naps and all the things. And so we stepped away from that and then we were leading life groups and trying to get that timeline right and then, I think then we started the Royal Rangers and I did a girl's version of that for a season, oh wow um, that was really sweet wow and I think covid happened after that.

Speaker 4: 1:46:17

But we were always leading life groups of one one thing or another. I led a couple um life groups inspired by charlotte bell, um, like we dove into the proverbs 31 woman and like what that really means and all the symbolism in it. And it's not just a list of like duties, it's actually a song that the hebrew, like head of the household, sings over his wife on the shabbat, on the, the day that they celebrate, they eat their meal he sings that over her, honoring all the things that a woman does.

Speaker 4: 1:46:57

Wow, um. So I think it's a good like. Okay, this is what it looks like to be a godly wife, but also it's. It's not a legalistic rule. List of rules it's a honoring amen of.

Speaker 4: 1:47:13

and then there's so many, so many symbols of jesus, and like when she closed her family with scarlet, that's, clothing them in the blood of jesus, um, and just, I could go on and on. But until we did some deep dives in that and like God really was using us in different ways and we were growing in our faith and our knowledge and our wisdom, and the kids were getting bigger, I ended up starting to work at the kids' school and that was a really great season.

Speaker 2: 1:47:43

Yeah, they were going to Christian school, right.

Speaker 4: 1:47:46

We ended up going to um, a like a charter school. We couldn't, we still were working off of one income and I was going to bring in a little bit of money. Um, because ethan and aubrey had started school already, so it wasn't until nora, the youngest, was in school that I went back and um, and so we went to a charter school which had like the same principles as what I would consider a christian school, but was um a little cheaper.

Speaker 2: 1:48:14

Cheaper I was yeah with our tax dollars, so like we can afford that yeah, um, it ended up being a great foundation for them.

Speaker 4: 1:48:22

It was great working there. Um, a couple couple in a friend of ours, susan Genson, who went here for a while. She was an artist and she had gone to this school and she was visiting because she was best friends with my mom.

Speaker 1: 1:48:39

But I loved her too.

Speaker 4: 1:48:41

She was just like our hearts were knitted together and she put so many like aunties in my life that were this like safe space for me while nate was working in swing shifts and I had these women of noble character who god just like, surrounded me with like um charlotte bell was one of them where she was a foundational piece in my walk because I really I didn't know a lot about being a christian because I grew up catholic yeah and then our other church was more club than a church yeah, it's like we learned things, but I didn't really know, yeah, didn't really understand, and it was.

Speaker 4: 1:49:21

they were very religious in the way that they approached their walk and so, like, charlotte gave me like handles and like what Jesus is about and how to walk with him. And then, um, susan was also one of those like where they like loved my kids.

Speaker 1: 1:49:37

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:49:38

Like, kids are not allowed at your life groups, but my kids were allowed at their life groups like that kind of people. And um, or like adoption, jesus's heart. He just would put these people in my life, in our lives, and he they they loved nate as well and like covered him and um.

Speaker 4: 1:49:59

And so she was over at my parents house, susan, and she was talking about this art class she took and she was saying how they have a program that's a mastery program and they equip you how to be um, like a professional artist really an art as a profession, and she looks at me and she was just like I think you would, really, I really like this, I think you should do it, and I just started bawling, like bawling, and out of nowhere, like it was not something that should make you cry, but I was just like sobbing because there was something inside of me that had been hidden. I didn't know, I was there and she unlocked it.

Speaker 2: 1:50:42

Wow, she unlocked it, and so I was like, yeah, like that, I need to do that yeah and um and well, up to this point, all it was was really nate these kids yeah and this home life and this park across the street and the church. It's like where's danielle? Exactly where am I? Who am I?

Speaker 4: 1:51:03

who am I? What am I?

Speaker 2: 1:51:05

doing that's. That happens to a lot of women. Yeah, it happens to a lot of women it's incredibly common.

Speaker 4: 1:51:11

Because you do, you pour yourself out into your children you lose yourself and you yeah, you don't have any expression um and um, and so the kids are a little older at this phase, like I think nora was eight when I went into this school and so I looked into it and they were just starting an accelerated program. So what normally would have taken a year, they were going to condense into like three months wow but it's monday through friday, nine to five.

Speaker 4: 1:51:42

Yeah, exactly, it's an intensive and um. So of course I saved all the money and planned and just laid all the foundation, which I did not yeah I don't know what I was doing, guys. I don't know, I don't know. I did not plan, I just thought it was going to magically happen yeah jesus is working for me I don't know, one day I'll be an adult. Jesus, help me.

Speaker 1: 1:52:08

Don't get there, don't get there I need to be responsible. Stay childlike.

Speaker 4: 1:52:12

I will always be childlike, but I can be responsible and plan for the future Anyway.

Speaker 1: 1:52:19

Life's run by the seat of your pants, man. Oh gosh, You're not going to like that later in life.

Speaker 2: 1:52:25

His beard is gray.

Speaker 4: 1:52:29

Start. You're not gonna like that later in life. Beard is great. Start planning a poor guy. That's why his beard is gray, because he's married to me and I am just probably his occupation.

Speaker 1: 1:52:36

Well, yeah, that has a lot to do with it, it really does, but I also.

Speaker 4: 1:52:41

I'm all over the place, he. I keep him on his toes.

Speaker 1: 1:52:44

Amen, keeping him young, just not in the beard.

Speaker 3: 1:52:47

No.

Speaker 4: 1:52:50

Might be the opposite. And so, yeah, I quit my job. I was working at the school full time. I quit my job and I started this program, and what year was this? This was 2019. Oh, wow, yeah, yeah, so like the fall into the winter of 2019.

Speaker 3: 1:53:10

Really, yes, you finished just in time.

Speaker 4: 1:53:15

This is crazy, it's very crazy. So it was amazing, like I felt like for the first time in my life, I found people who understood me, because I've always been just in my own world and like nate and I speak different languages. We're in different worlds, but we love each other and I know like we round each other out and it's amazing. But I've never had like a group of people who like got me.

Speaker 2: 1:53:46

Creatives are special. We are something.

Speaker 3: 1:53:50

We are, we are special but we can be challenging. Yeah, we can be hard to navigate, because we're just.

Speaker 2: 1:53:56

We don't even know what we want. Dude, I'm right there with you.

Speaker 3: 1:54:00

What are we doing today, jesus, which is such a fun adventure?

Speaker 2: 1:54:04

but it's hard For us, but for other people it's like.

Speaker 4: 1:54:08

People need plans, people, and God is a God of order, but he's also fun, so People that need plans are not my people so fun. So people that need plans are not my people. Yeah, so we plan vacations.

Speaker 1: 1:54:20

I don't like planning vacations. No, I'm like this is where we're going and we're just gonna go there and figure it out and it's a blast, it's so much fun. Who wants to follow a schedule?

Speaker 4: 1:54:27

I don't know it helps.

Speaker 1: 1:54:28

I don't understand people that have vacations and they plan okay, at this time we're going here, at this time. What?

Speaker 4: 1:54:34

the hell are you doing? That?

Speaker 1: 1:54:35

doesn't ever actually work out because then your schedule gets messed up and then you're all frazzled because you're not on schedule I found a middle ground where, like I research what's around.

Speaker 4: 1:54:49

So I have an idea and then kind of give rough guidelines come on which helps it helps everybody we can do this this this

Speaker 1: 1:54:57

or this. Yeah, what do you want to do? Bowling bumpers? Yeah, all right.

Speaker 4: 1:55:00

So, like we have, something to kind of aim at, Because, like I have to learn how to work with who God's partnered me with.

Speaker 3: 1:55:07

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:55:08

He likes to plan and order, so I'm learning how to do both.

Speaker 2: 1:55:18

Yes, ann, a creative, excellently it's good, so I can have structure but also be free to move in the holy spirit. Come on, you're growing, you're maturing.

Speaker 4: 1:55:23

I really am god's real good doing it and and um, he's amazing, yeah, amazing. So I go to the school and it just unlocks all these things. I meet people that are amazing. I just and I feed off of, like I just get so excited and filled up around people so I'm just like god's unlocking things, like I hear his voice and he's just like speaking to me. My art was terrible. It was so bad, you guys, I did not know because I hadn't painted. So I grew up with my grandpa, my mom's mom. He was an artist and a toy maker and he's the one who planted that seed in my heart, the one from Illinois in the white neighborhood.

Speaker 4: 1:56:06

Yeah, both my grandparents lived on the same street.

Speaker 3: 1:56:09

Really yes, in Illinois. That's cool, they lived in.

Speaker 2: 1:56:12

Des Plaines Okay.

Speaker 4: 1:56:13

And they lived on the same street. Wow, so we'd visit my mom's parents and then we'd drive up the street and visit my dad's parents every Saturday. Come on, wow.

Speaker 2: 1:56:23

It was so cool. And then the Friday night for your parent with your kid. Oh.

Speaker 3: 1:56:28

I love that.

Speaker 2: 1:56:29

There's a lot of stuff that your parents did that you have kind of carried on and this is good man.

Speaker 4: 1:56:35

Yeah, that was good tradition Passed down on, and this is good man. Yeah, that tradition is really good passed down, so good, so good, and so that was. That was how we you're right.

Speaker 2: 1:56:42

I was like I'm thinking I got addiction and all these.

Speaker 4: 1:56:45

I got a bunch of stuff passed down dude, we've got our own stuff like oh, we could go into it I got the beer drinking, the cussing, the smoking cigarettes.

Speaker 3: 1:56:58

Oh we have stuff.

Speaker 4: 1:57:00

Oh God, that's there too, that's there too, Amen Because you just like I said you don't leave without stuff.

Speaker 2: 1:57:06

People are people. Man, You've got stuff.

Speaker 4: 1:57:09

Yeah, and so I learn, I'm equipped. I'm equipped to do all these things.

Speaker 2: 1:57:15

What did that academy do for you?

Speaker 4: 1:57:19

Yeah, it taught me how to use tools. I'd never used oil paints before. That's how, when I learned how to use that, I worked in acrylics, so I learned that. I learned how to found, uh, develop my voice in painting, like because you, as a creative, you always have something, yeah, you're supposed to bring into the world. And the whole point was like you are supposed to bring your superpower into the world, like your, your story, your voice, all the areas and they didn't use christian terms, but they were christians um, your superpower is tied directly to where you've been attacked or your fear and you really can, the devil really.

Speaker 4: 1:58:01

He just points it out for us. You can look at the patterns in your life where you've been attacked and that is typically directly linked to your destiny oh jesus really yes, oh man yes, look at it like yeah, you're're right. God has tried, not God, I'm sorry. The enemy has tried my whole life to silence me, like he's. From an early age. I was afraid to talk. I couldn't talk.

Speaker 1: 1:58:29

I'm there with you.

Speaker 4: 1:58:30

And I was afraid like shame's a big one and rejection. And I look at that and I see, okay, I'm supposed to have a voice. I got something for me to say.

Speaker 4: 1:58:45

He wants me to use my voice to speak his word, to speak his truth and break things off of people and break shame off of people, and so she was equipping us to take all that like really, there's all this we did like disc profiles and the way you show up as a creative or anything. It all ties to your personality and how you are shaped. Um, so it. It was such a fun blend of, like psychology and christianity, even though she wouldn't say that that's what it it? Was and, of course, like learning how to make art.

Speaker 3: 1:59:19

Wow.

Speaker 4: 1:59:20

And so it was just I just absorbed it all I loved it.

Speaker 4: 1:59:24

And I was so excited and to the point where, like we were going to buy the property, like we really felt like we were supposed to buy the property. And I cause we she's just like, okay, you need to map out your five-year plan. Like we really felt like we were supposed to buy the property. Um, and I cause we she's like, okay, you need to map out your five year plan. I was like I want to have property and with a studio where I can teach and equip and Nate can do his stuff. And she's like, why wait five years? And I'm like, cause I don't have the money and the practice, or like the I didn't know how to paint.

Speaker 4: 2:00:03

like I was a bad painter guys like I was painting weird garbage, like I like look at it and I'm like I should just burn this. I don't know what this is. Yeah, not good, um, and that's okay we've seen art these days. I know that's a little funny yeah, I know, I know, but it's still not good. It's okay.

Speaker 1: 2:00:21

I've seen a guy who had these buckets.

Speaker 4: 2:00:23

Buckets, a banana taped to a wall. He had like a stack of buckets.

Speaker 1: 2:00:27

Okay, Poked a hole in one.

Speaker 4: 2:00:28

Right.

Speaker 1: 2:00:40

And I think they had sand or something in gallery. All these people are standing around looking at these buckets full of sand and he pokes this hole in it.

Speaker 4: 2:00:44

The sand drains out, and as the sand drains out, the bucket gives way, and all the buckets fall, oh, and everybody's like what the hell is that why people stood in the studio to watch these buckets fall it's, it's just on the guard for the the sake of being on the guard, like I'm probably saying that wrong, but like that's the distortion of art to me, like art is supposed to bring to me the heaven down into the world and that is why it's supposed to be the answer like so much of art is like oh, the problem, like this is what's wrong with the world and I want to shove it in your face.

Speaker 4: 2:01:13

Yeah, that's true. What's the answer? We don't need more of the problem.

Speaker 3: 2:01:18

We know that's the problem.

Speaker 4: 2:01:19

Bring the solution, bring the solution, and so she really taught us how to do that and I was so like excited to do that and to like take over her mantle, because she was they were moving they were moving out of state um, but I was so in love with what they did and so passionate about like how they transformed lives and how art can be so impactful.

Speaker 4: 2:01:48

Um that I was like I want to do this, let's find a way. And so we were in contract to buy the property, and it was a huge property out in queen creek. They had like two giant outbuildings and like an acre and a half of property, um, and we were like almost done with the process and we just kept finding things that weren't adding up and like there's a bunch of things wrong, um, and it's good you didn't go through with it and you listen to those red flags honestly and to me, like I was so excited, but nate was like we just can't, there's so many things wrong and it was already way too expensive.

Speaker 4: 2:02:29

It would have caused us to have to, um, kind of be under the mantle of someone we didn't need to be under. Yeah, um, cause they were helping us fund it and um. So about the last like two weeks before we were supposed to close, we were like we can't, there's too many things wrong and this isn't what we agreed to Like I'm sorry we, we can not go through with this.

Speaker 4: 2:02:54

Um, and so we backed out, and um man, it was heartbreaking yeah because I thought that's what my next step was and so I went through like a season and I'm not a depressed person like I don't I don't know if I've ever been, I'm sure I have been but like I went through like a season of just like depression. Yeah, I was just like heaviness in the pit, yeah.

Speaker 4: 2:03:15

Didn't know what I was doing and then lost all my friends on top of it because, like that, community was who I was surrounded by. They were my people now and then like that disbanded because of the way it happened and they were mad at me and they disowned me.

Speaker 2: 2:03:35

Oh, geez Well, she backed out. Yeah On the deal. And so they were like you. Oh, geez Well she backed out.

Speaker 4: 2:03:38

Yeah On the deal. And so they were like you're. They said some unkind things.

Speaker 2: 2:03:42

The world can be rough man.

Speaker 4: 2:03:44

And that's okay. It's okay. Yeah, I really just released that. That's not something I carry anymore. I totally get it.

Speaker 1: 2:03:52

You got to see the true colors. That's what I was going to say. The true colors. You got to see the true colors. You got to see their hearts in it all.

Speaker 2: 2:03:56

now, what you would have been under and with Sure, yeah, sure, saved yourself.

Speaker 4: 2:04:02

Yeah, I don't know. I think my mentor, I think she really her heart was in it yeah. I think she really believed that it was something we could do. She was trying to. She thought she was trying to help me achieve my dream and I was helping her achieve her dream amen and so I I truly believe her heart was pure yeah and um, she is, she believes in big things, and um, I believe that that was her heart there, and so there's there's no animosity there. That's totally released amen and um.

Speaker 4: 2:04:36

You can only engage with someone with where you're at like whatever level you're at that's where you can engage there are other people involved that that didn't get it most of like the core leaders didn't hold any animosity and released it.

Speaker 1: 2:04:49

Yeah, you could tell there was disappointment yeah, of course um, but so it was like everybody was a little disappointed yeah.

Speaker 4: 2:04:56

Yeah, Honestly all around. So I kind of reeled for a bit, trying to figure out well, now what?

Speaker 2: 2:05:03

Now is after and COVID.

Speaker 4: 2:05:05

Not yet, we are almost there, and so I was like, okay, well, I still believe in like pouring into the next generation.

Speaker 4: 2:05:16

And I want to like equip people yeah and teach kids come on how to be artists and so, um, I tried to start an academy, because that's what I was going to do. It's going to be an art academy, and um, so I put up, put this whole thing together like a whole curriculum about painting like the desert animals, and um, did, did a whole like marketing campaign and I got I remember seeing it, daniel peterson art academy yeah, yeah. And so I got a couple kids and um gave two scholarships away and most of the kids were like friends kids yeah and two of them, I think, like didn't pay, I don't know um.

Speaker 4: 2:05:58

So, like the seven kids that came, two were mine um and two were free.

Speaker 2: 2:06:04

The two were free and the other two yeah to get there.

Speaker 4: 2:06:10

Um, but yeah, we did this academy and it was really great and um, and then covid happened yeah that's when it happened, and um man and then there was no getting together. That was like the crux of what I was really gonna do is to teach yeah um, and so I had to like kind of reinvent what I was gonna do.

Speaker 4: 2:06:30

So I got creative. It started selling like kits and things where kids could like watercolor pictures at home. Um, but through this whole process, like all the way up until even now, like I didn't know how to paint in my own voice, I didn't know how to bring to life what I was trying to say, yeah, so I wasn't even ready to teach because I didn't know what I was doing like how can you teach people if you don't know?

Speaker 3: 2:06:57

what you're doing. I didn't know what the heck I was doing.

Speaker 4: 2:07:00

And so I just got to explore and play. I discovered I love like hiking and collecting rocks and making the rocks into paint.

Speaker 1: 2:07:10

Like.

Speaker 4: 2:07:11

I wouldn't have figured that out, and even like I saw that the other day, right, yes, I hike in the Arizona mountains and I gather a couple of rocks and grind them into a fine powder and make them into oil paint.

Speaker 1: 2:07:24

Come on now.

Speaker 4: 2:07:25

And it makes this really cool texture and like whole encompassing process and it's so fun. I wouldn't have discovered that, yeah and it's so fun, I wouldn't have discovered that, yeah. And then my last piece like I needed to learn how to paint and learn how to create to get out what god was saying. So like now god will show me pictures, like I'll get visions, and sometimes I'll be like oh, that's just for me. But this last one he showed me, I knew that. I knew that I was supposed to paint it.

Speaker 4: 2:08:01

And sometimes I work in collections where I'll do like eight to ten paintings and they'll all be related somehow. Like they'll be skies, and then God always tells me what they mean and I won't even know it. And he'll just be like, yeah, that was my presence, these clouds represents my presence, or um heaven coming down to earth, or and he'll just be like paint clouds, and so it's this beautiful like give and take where god's just like leading me, you write those things down I do.

Speaker 4: 2:08:32

I've been better about writing the meaning down, like on the paintings um, on the back side.

Speaker 1: 2:08:38

Yeah, yeah, yes, right, because I totally saw that yes I didn't know you did that.

Speaker 4: 2:08:42

Oh, you saw that okay yeah, like, like, what's I love that.

Speaker 1: 2:08:48

People that are going to get these or buy these.

Speaker 2: 2:08:50

Are going to see and understand it and what god gave to you and how you created it.

Speaker 4: 2:08:54

To see the vision right, I mean right that's so cool man and that's new, that's a newer thing that I've been doing, because even holy spirit god, it totally is, that's from god because even holy spirit will give me like poems, yeah, or like verses, to like put with paintings. Sometimes it comes before, sometimes it comes after.

Speaker 1: 2:09:13

I paint it just because I can look at a painting and see what I see.

Speaker 4: 2:09:16

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:09:16

But if I read Right, like your thing on the back.

Speaker 4: 2:09:20

Right.

Speaker 1: 2:09:21

Now I'm going to have this new vision to look at the picture with and be able to see oh, I can see God's presence in the clouds. Now you know what I mean.

Speaker 4: 2:09:27

Right.

Speaker 1: 2:09:27

So it's going to open up something in the picture for people to take what? They've first seen and then read what you wrote down and see it in a different way. Right Now it's going to be a totally different picture for them.

Speaker 4: 2:09:38

Right. Yeah, that's good, and I obviously always want people to interact and get what they're supposed to get from the painting.

Speaker 3: 2:09:45

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 2:09:46

And sometimes it's different from what I get.

Speaker 3: 2:09:48

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 2:09:48

But to know the full story. It really does. It completes the picture. Yeah, and even like with a series I just made, like I didn't even know why I was painting it. I was painting like giant vintage ladies in desert landscapes and there's three of them and I was like god, I don't know why I'm painting this, but I love it.

Speaker 1: 2:10:08

I just loved it I got one of your pictures on my wall, which one the one I bought from the uh is it, the lion no, it's the the man camp oh, the man camp one.

Speaker 4: 2:10:17

That that was fun. Remember, you did the prince, yeah, I did.

Speaker 1: 2:10:19

And it was Easter time you were selling them. Yeah, and I bought one.

Speaker 3: 2:10:22

Thank you, yeah, I got it up on my wall, man.

Speaker 2: 2:10:23

I won one. It's on my wall.

Speaker 3: 2:10:26

Oh cool, yeah, that's so cool, oh yeah you won.

Speaker 4: 2:10:32

That was out of my normal comfort zone, but it was really fun to do it was cool. I loved it. I listened to my Christian metal and painted that you can tell Snake sounds of thunder. Call in the fire to me.

Speaker 1: 2:10:47

Hands of war and I thought I knew you, I know this whole metal side really freaks me out.

Speaker 2: 2:10:53

That's why I love these testimonies. We really get to know people.

Speaker 1: 2:10:56

Yeah, you see you around church and you're just like this quiet, polite Danielle. Now it's like the bangs make sense.

Speaker 4: 2:11:04

Now I know, right Like oh okay, yeah, there's an edgier part there.

Speaker 3: 2:11:16

But God's like, he's so cool because he's like I love all the parts of you and I want you to show all of it, All of it. All of it, yeah, all of it Amen Because he uses it to connect with all sorts of people.

Speaker 1: 2:11:24

Thank you God. Yeah, he's so cool.

Speaker 4: 2:11:27

He's so cool and he just uses it all and even like those three ladies, yeah. I thought I was just painting ladies, and he showed me after I finished the last one. He was like no, this is the story of esther yeah because it was a woman who was like kind of apprehensive on the side, yeah. And then the next one was a woman who was like kind of stepping down from a mountain, and then the last one was a woman just like full walking towards you.

Speaker 3: 2:11:56

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 2:11:57

And she's just confidently walking. Yeah, and it's like the process of believers walking into their calling and their identity and bringing the kingdom down onto the earth.

Speaker 3: 2:12:08

Wow Dang yeah.

Speaker 4: 2:12:10

And he just keeps giving me revelations of that through, and I really feel like this season we're in as christians is an ester season, like I feel that so strongly, where he's just saying, and I think it would be easy for us to be lulled into okay, you know, trump one, so we can, we can relax, but there's still so much at stake in the spirit and it's time to like stand and take the authority that's been given to us as Christians, and so like I really feel like God in these, even these last two years where we left life, I think

Speaker 4: 2:12:47

and that was so hard. That was so hard, but we knew God said it's time and we're like and I was like okay, god, if you are telling us to go, you need to make sure our kids are going to be okay. I'm trusting you to not let my kids fall away from you. And I just kept okay. I kept standing on the truth that God loves my kids more than I do.

Speaker 2: 2:13:15

Amen. You know Amen. He's their father. He created them and formed them. Knit them in your womb.

Speaker 4: 2:13:21

Right and his plans are so much better than my plans, and his thoughts are higher than my thoughts, and his ways are higher than my ways, and so much like okay, I trust you, yeah because your kids were really doing a lot.

Speaker 3: 2:13:35

This is their home.

Speaker 1: 2:13:38

Yeah, they were doing a lot, they were thriving, they were.

Speaker 4: 2:13:42

And I see God's hand in all of it Like we needed this season to prepare us for the next season.

Speaker 2: 2:13:49

The next one, and they need to be where they're at now to prepare them for what? Is coming, is coming, yep.

Speaker 4: 2:13:58

Because they need like we're in a place where they are equipped to be like really bold, more bold than I'm comfortable with you know, and that's kind of how they have to show up in the world they're in like they interact with kids on a daily basis. Nora, who's 13, interacts with kids on a daily basis who are identifying as boys when they're girls, and she's having to stand up and be like I'm not going to call you that name. Your name is this not this.

Speaker 4: 2:14:26

Because you are a girl and her friends know, they know that she believes what she believes and they have to. So they have to, they're being equipped to be able to stand and and uh, know what to say in those situations and um, and they, now they have their, they found their people, they're being equipped they're plugged back in. They are on the next level, where god wants them to be.

Speaker 1: 2:14:58

Right, he says it all the time that sometimes to grow you got to go.

Speaker 4: 2:15:00

It's true.

Speaker 1: 2:15:02

It's true, that's because we can get in a comfortable place and be at a church for many, many years and get complacent.

Speaker 2: 2:15:08

Right, it's like a potted plant man In order for that plant to grow bigger and you got to repot them into a bigger plant.

Speaker 1: 2:15:13

Sometimes, yeah, we pot them into a bigger plant sometimes, yeah, and you said something earlier too about where we're coming into as Christians right now. Yeah, and the Esther season. I found it funny that this Bonhoeffer movie come out just now too, and then we seeing that and seeing what he had to do and the courage he had to have yeah To speak up against the German state, and the funniest thing in the whole movie that caught my attention was actually something Hitler said.

Speaker 4: 2:15:38

Don't spoil it. I haven't seen it yet.

Speaker 1: 2:15:40

It's just a phrase. It's just a phrase, All right, all right, all right. But he said courage is often wasted.

Speaker 4: 2:15:46

Ooh, oh gosh.

Speaker 2: 2:15:47

Well, at that very moment, he was literally right there with a bomb strapped to him to kill Hitler, yeah, hitler told him, courage is often wasted and he wasted it. And so Then kill him With what you're saying, with Trump winning.

Speaker 3: 2:16:01

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:16:01

And this Bonhoeffer movie coming out. I think God is telling his people right now that this is not the time to relax. Exactly, this is a time to stand up.

Speaker 4: 2:16:11

Yes, be bold.

Speaker 1: 2:16:12

Yes.

Speaker 3: 2:16:13

Speak out yes.

Speaker 1: 2:16:14

Because what I learned in that movie was that the church got complacent.

Speaker 4: 2:16:19

Oh, okay, the church got quiet.

Speaker 1: 2:16:22

Yeah, and just let Hitler do what he was doing.

Speaker 4: 2:16:25

Oh yeah, and that can so easily happen.

Speaker 1: 2:16:27

And it wasn't until the pastor stood up and fought back.

Speaker 4: 2:16:30

Wow Okay.

Speaker 1: 2:16:31

And said we're not, this is not my God.

Speaker 3: 2:16:35

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:16:35

This fear is not my God God is my God. Yeah this fear is not my God. God is my God and I'm not bowing to anybody else.

Speaker 3: 2:16:40

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:16:40

And right now the church is bound to this woke ideology. Yeah, yeah. Not that we're saying it's okay, but we're not saying nothing at all and silence is the same thing. Yeah, silence speaks louder than saying something.

Speaker 4: 2:16:55

Exactly you are. You are saying something by not saying anything, silence speaks louder than saying something Exactly, you are saying something by not saying anything yeah, and honestly like people are watching and my kids are watching how we navigate this, yeah. Am I going to be a coward? Yeah?

Speaker 1: 2:17:09

Am.

Speaker 4: 2:17:09

I going to not, and am I going to just stand by and be silent? Yeah, and what really like struck me is with this war in Israel and like they're being attacked in the streets and it's we are not seeing it on the news like they're not talking about it and they're pushing this propaganda with palestine and how they're the victims.

Speaker 4: 2:17:32

They attacked israel and I was like we are engrafted to the Israelites, we are part of their community and if we stay silent, we're next man Like. Why do we think we are absolved from this Like? We're next man, they're going to come for Christians next because of what we believe.

Speaker 1: 2:17:55

They were starting to yes, exactly, it was exactly that way. Exactly, it was heading that way and we would have got another four years of the way it was going yeah we were next. We would have been. We would have been. They want to silence us. They want us to be quiet, shut up. They know your place. They do not want freedom of speech.

Speaker 4: 2:18:10

It's not, and so we. It is a nester season? Yeah, it's. It's a time of standing and being bold.

Speaker 1: 2:18:17

I forget what what state it is, but they just said that it's mandatory that Bibles are going back into the schools.

Speaker 2: 2:18:22

I'm like Georgia, let's go. No.

Speaker 1: 2:18:25

Alabama, one of those states down south as soon as we took God out of schools and started not saying the Pledge of Allegiance and doing that whole morning ritual that we did when we were kids.

Speaker 4: 2:18:37

You take truth out of it, you take God and doing that whole morning ritual that we did when we were kids, prayer in the morning at the flagpole Well, yeah, you take truth out of it, you take God out of it.

Speaker 1: 2:18:42

Of course it's going to fall away. We replace truth with these lies of well you can be whatever, and there's all these different. Come on, man.

Speaker 4: 2:18:48

It's so scary, but God is bigger.

Speaker 1: 2:18:50

He is.

Speaker 4: 2:18:51

He's doing a new thing.

Speaker 1: 2:18:59

He's releasing his spirit, like I feel him, as the darkness seems like it's getting darker. He's emboldened his people.

Speaker 2: 2:19:02

He is emboldened, he is look what you shared about this series of paintings with esther. It's literally the first one you talked about was apprehensive yeah, you saw a face and she was like god, are you really calling me to this? Yeah, and then it's like the second one you talked about stepping down into yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:19:21

And that's really what it is. It's off your high horse and off your life. And what are we saying? Revelations 12, 11. Love, not your life unto death. We try to build ourselves this life All the while. It's falling apart, right, and we really lose it for his sake, and we start to find our real life. So you step down into the call. Normally it's you step up to it. You step down because God is called to serve. Jesus didn't come to be to serve, but to serve. You know what I mean. And then the last one you said it was talking about a confident walk straight for you. It's almost like that woman knew the mission she was called to.

Speaker 2: 2:19:57

Exactly, and she's on mission exactly that's so good, man, dude, when you were describing the paintings. That's all I heard.

Speaker 1: 2:20:04

Yes, yeah it's an ester season. People people don't understand is when jesus said follow me.

Speaker 2: 2:20:11

Yeah, it was to the cross man when christ bids a man, he bids him to come and die yeah barn offer yes, it really is it's cost of discipleship.

Speaker 1: 2:20:23

It's not, it's not. I mean it could be a little death if you think about it, but it's literally just to die into yourself every day you know what I mean it really

Speaker 2: 2:20:31

is every day.

Speaker 1: 2:20:32

That's what it means. To follow jesus is to die to yourself yes you know what I mean? Yeah, but unfortunately people still want to live.

Speaker 4: 2:20:38

Yeah, our flesh gets in the way it does. It stops us from fulfilling what God wants us to do. But, when you really can say okay, god, I'm dead. Yeah, I want you to live through me. Yeah, then, then, then, all the things that are scary, like what stops me is fear. Yeah, all the things that are scary like what stops me is fear and rejection. Fear of rejection, and when I can really wrap my head around like, okay, I am dead.

Speaker 3: 2:21:04

My flesh, I'm dead.

Speaker 4: 2:21:06

Jesus is alive in me, and that's what's propelling me. Then they're not rejecting me, they're rejecting Jesus.

Speaker 2: 2:21:14

That's good, daniel, and it just bounces off because I'm so in him.

Speaker 4: 2:21:16

It's good, daniel, and it just bounces off. Because I'm so in him, I also feel like deeply, god's been teaching me how to just operate from a place of being in him when, like part of being in this new place we're in there isn't a lot of just like soaking in depth, and so I've had to learn how to cultivate it on my own come on and uh that's good, so rich and so deep, and it's informing how I show up and I'm learning.

Speaker 4: 2:21:51

He's teaching me how to heal my soul, like I've been working with Jeannie Alley real good her healing ministries and learning how to heal start like my soul, and so I can strategically pray for my kids like I've been in a hidden season and when you're hidden oh, it's so good, it's so good it can be hard, it's's hard.

Speaker 2: 2:22:15

Oh, it's real hard Because it is the process of dying.

Speaker 3: 2:22:17

It's real hard.

Speaker 4: 2:22:18

You are learning how to die, yeah, and.

Speaker 2: 2:22:23

It's so good, danielle, because, for like, because I know a little bit of you, and for myself, we're both super gifted and super talented, and so when God hides us and buries us in the dark, it's like Lord. How long is this?

Speaker 3: 2:22:38

going to last.

Speaker 2: 2:22:39

All these other people are getting. We're like Lord I'm still being hidden, but it's special because God's changing us, in that there will be a day, danielle, where me and you are showed off to the world In Jesus' name, amen, yeah, and we're going to tell them all about him yeah you are gonna have an art academy.

Speaker 1: 2:23:07

You are gonna plant seeds in the kids lives man yes, didn't, I see you doing a, a uh, a painting during a service somewhere. Oh yeah, house fire I love doing that.

Speaker 4: 2:23:21

I've done a couple live paintings, yeah. Sumi, she's so gracious and just really believes in that and equipping me to allow that to happen, and so that's another thing I want to grow in.

Speaker 1: 2:23:34

It's real good. Did you go in with something preconceived or did you just go in saying, okay, God, what do you want to grow in? It's real good. Did you go in with something preconceived or did you just go in saying, okay, God, what do you want to do? I've done both.

Speaker 4: 2:23:42

I prefer when I have an image I'm working from. It turns out better.

Speaker 1: 2:23:49

I feel like I can glorify God in a more I want to see the one where you didn't go in with nothing. I would like to see that one.

Speaker 4: 2:23:58

Okay.

Speaker 2: 2:23:58

Is that the fire, one with the angel and the wings, or is that the vision?

Speaker 4: 2:24:04

The one I did recently with Sumi was just fire.

Speaker 3: 2:24:07

Like I knew I wanted it to be fire.

Speaker 4: 2:24:08

And I even came in with like an idea and I totally just like kind of floated in the Holy Spirit, which is so, so fun and then I ended up taking it home and just kind of finishing it up. Oh cool. Cool Because I started with oil and so I needed to varnish it anyway, because you need to seal oil paints, but I've done a lion before at a church.

Speaker 4: 2:24:30

Where was it? It was out in like Levine or something. Oh wow, they were. So it was amazing. Amen, and that one. I had a source photo I was working from.

Speaker 2: 2:24:39

Yeah, okay, and so.

Speaker 4: 2:24:40

I sketched out the outline and so if you start on a black canvas, you can like paint quicker in a way, because you already have the darks blacked out.

Speaker 3: 2:24:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway.

Speaker 4: 2:24:53

So that's something that definitely is on my heart to do more Okay. But I need to practice more. So God's really. I'm in a season I feel like, like I said, of hiding and he's just working things out in me to be ready for what is coming, cause there's stuff that I needed to like get rid of, like that I couldn't bring into the new season Come on. Cause you, you can't bring stuff.

Speaker 1: 2:25:16

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 2:25:18

Some. There's people and things, and not that those people are bad or anything like that, but like they just the closer you get to jesus, the less you can bring with you. It's so true it's so true it's so true, yeah, um, and so yeah, I'm definitely learning that and, like you have like purity who he's really been like working on that, like you need to be pure, no mixture is a word.

Speaker 4: 2:25:42

He's compromised yeah, he's like you cannot have mixture. You can't. There can't be anything that could compete with me in your life right now, and so it's good he's really hiding me in him, where, like that verse where it talks about you are seated in heavenly places with me, with jesus, like that. I meditate on that a lot, not in like the middle eastern meditation, but just like ruminating thinking about it.

Speaker 2: 2:26:08

Yeah, I'm just sitting and letting the truth of that kind of flow even while you're doing the laundry or washing the floors.

Speaker 4: 2:26:17

Lord, I'm seated with you in heaven's places yes, right now yes, and that's where, uh, everything flows from, and I'm like I'm when I'm walking into places it's good I'll be just be like every step I take. I'm like kingdom, kingdom, kingdom kingdom, because I'm bringing. Every step is bringing the kingdom because we're ambassadors of Christ. So, like God's just building those things, those foundations, in a stronger, deeper way and it's cool because it also allows me to know how to pray for my kids better know how to pray for my husband better and he has like you're doing exactly what a woman's supposed to do hidden away alone with god, praying for her kids, praying for her man.

Speaker 4: 2:27:09

Yeah, you're doing it and god taught like, really like, flip the script on what I thought that looked like. I've never been like a feminist or anything like that. I very much believe, like you know, nate's the head of the home, but I've always thought, okay, he needs to lead in this arena. Yeah, and so for a long time I was like, well, I can't step fully into where God's calling me because that's his place.

Speaker 4: 2:27:34

Yeah, he's got to lead me into it. Yeah, and he doesn't fully understand it, because that's not how he's built, like he's built to do this. Yeah, I am built to do that come on and so I've been listening to a lot of like african pastors oh wow and there's this um pastor prophet her name is isi and she is amazing and she said this thing.

Speaker 4: 2:27:59

she was teaching on women and she was saying femininity, being a female, is a sex, it's a sexuality. Like you're male or female, yeah, right, and we understand that you can pretend to be female, you can pretend to be male, but a woman is an office in the spiritual realm.

Speaker 3: 2:28:25

And you cannot fake that.

Speaker 4: 2:28:26

You can't pretend to be an office in the spirit. You can dress up and be female, but you can never take that authority, that office that's only given to women just like I cannot take the office of my husband. I cannot that's right, take his place like he is that place, but it but when in the garden, when Eve was, you know, brought into existence and she's the helper. That Hebrew word is is azar and it means to bring the ability to multiply the DNA of heaven.

Speaker 2: 2:29:08

That's so good, right, so Two becoming one Right. And really bringing heaven into that family.

Speaker 4: 2:29:15

Right, but men cannot physically create humans. Right, that's part of you ever watch miles monroe videos oh watch dr miles monroe video.

Speaker 1: 2:29:24

He talks about that too he says that whatever the man, whatever, the man gets, he brings to the woman and the woman multiplies it. Yeah, whether it's the food, whether it's children, whether it's whatever it is, you know what I mean yeah, okay, I have heard that.

Speaker 4: 2:29:38

I have heard that that's good and and it's man, he's.

Speaker 1: 2:29:41

Any people that I meet that are struggling, relationship wise, yeah, or looking to get into relationships. I tell them go watch some dr miles more videos first yeah, yeah, they're so good because did you know that the same words you just talked about? Yeah is the same word god uses to describe Holy Spirit.

Speaker 4: 2:29:56

Yeah, he did. Yeah, right, yeah, right, yeah, and so that's why I believe women are also more able to discern. Oh yeah, you guys hear God.

Speaker 2: 2:30:08

We all hear God.

Speaker 3: 2:30:10

Yeah but, for the men in your lives.

Speaker 2: 2:30:13

you guys are literally the voice of God in their lives, Right.

Speaker 1: 2:30:18

This pastor said the other day. He said said man, it was kevin yeah up in man camp yeah he said kevin got the women, the women are the closest thing in your life to god yeah wow, so that god is gonna their discernment, that god gives them you need a men should have ears to listen to their wives. Yeah, Most of the time we hear our wives and they're like, oh, they're just complaining, they're just you know whatever. No, listen.

Speaker 2: 2:30:42

Is that you God?

Speaker 1: 2:30:43

They're the ones that are hearing from God on your behalf, right? You know what I mean. They're the ones who have the discernment. Men don't have good discernment.

Speaker 2: 2:30:52

No, Our pickers are broken.

Speaker 4: 2:30:54

We have discernment, but it's not as good as women's you know what I mean, right.

Speaker 1: 2:30:58

I'm speaking from experience here.

Speaker 4: 2:30:59

It's fair. Yeah, that's fair yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:31:01

Women and motherhood and great kids and birthing, and there's just a whole thing that girls have that guys don't. Here's the beauty of it, right.

Speaker 1: 2:31:08

Yeah, this is what God showed me the other day. Right, let's Adam, right, god, he was the fullness of God, yeah, and a person, okay, now, not the fullness like he was God, but the fullness of God, right, because God is nurturing, god is loving, God is kind, he's a provider, he's protecting, he's everything that a man and woman are in one. Yeah, so when he made Adam, god had, adam had all those characteristics, right.

Speaker 3: 2:31:31

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:31:33

There's a reason why he couldn't make another person, because everything God was, it was already in Adam, so that's why he had to take woman out of Adam oh that's good the rib. So when he took the rib out, he separated. Women became nurturing, they became kind, they become gentle, they become loving Men became provider, protector, all these other things.

Speaker 3: 2:31:48

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:31:51

That's why it says when man and woman become one yeah Brings in the fullness of God, literally the fullness of.

Speaker 1: 2:31:56

God created back in one. That's why it says they become one.

Speaker 3: 2:32:00

That's so good.

Speaker 1: 2:32:02

And that's why a man and man don't work. Women and women don't work. It's not the fullness of God, it's man and woman become the fullness of God.

Speaker 4: 2:32:08

Right.

Speaker 1: 2:32:08

It's in that covenant and in that relationship where God operates. Yep, you know what I mean? Yeah, but, man is still protector, he's still provider. Women are still nurturing all these other things. Yeah, okay, so when a man and his ability to provide and protect his discernment is not like a woman's Sure, hers is nurturing, kind, all the things that God has in discernment.

Speaker 4: 2:32:27

You know what I mean, right.

Speaker 1: 2:32:28

So it's very important that a man listens to his helper.

Speaker 4: 2:32:32

Yeah, because she has his best interest at heart and she's probably the one that's in there in the quiet time praying while he's out fighting and providing and protecting right, you know what I mean. So it's very unique man it is, yeah, it is, and and like that, like god's really been showing me, like no nate's purpose hinges on you fulfilling what you're called to do and stepping into that azar role that the office of a woman, and not to beat him on the head with god's truth, but know how to pray for him, those god is showing me things.

Speaker 4: 2:33:09

So I know how to pray for him and uh, not just you're his covering physically. Physically um bring about the multiplication of people but, the multiplication of how he's supposed to bring the kingdom onto the earth. And that hinges on me being in who I'm supposed to be. How can?

Speaker 1: 2:33:34

a man, bring the kingdom on earth when a woman over the town? Man, you're not working hard enough, you're not doing enough. Where are you at? How is he? A man, bring the kingdom on earth when a woman over the town? Man, you're not working hard enough, right? You're not doing enough, right? Where are you at?

Speaker 3: 2:33:41

How is?

Speaker 1: 2:33:41

he supposed to bring the fullness of God. Unless you're over the town man, you're doing a great job honey.

Speaker 3: 2:33:45

Exactly. I love the way that you provide for our family. Your words have power.

Speaker 1: 2:33:52

I'm over here praying my butt off for back honey. And now he's going to what? Man wouldn't want to go and be the best he could be and bring the kingdom of God into a situation like that Right.

Speaker 4: 2:34:01

That's so good. That's so good Because I've done it wrong a lot of years where I took. I was like, well, I hear from God, and then I would beat him over the head with it. Oh guys, hey, that doesn't work, don't do that don't do that, don't do that.

Speaker 1: 2:34:19

You're not the holy spirit god's telling you. So you know how to strategically pray for a man that's so good, and then you speak life, yeah, over that man so good and you tell them all the things you're thankful for and how much you love them and what they're doing for

Speaker 2: 2:34:28

you all right, lord, I want one. So, thank you, jesus, I want one god where are they?

Speaker 3: 2:34:35

he's had to go through a lot to get this version of me and he's had to go through a lot to get this version of me, and I've had to go through a lot to get the version I have.

Speaker 2: 2:34:44

It's hard fought for friend it sounds like you guys are really together in this thing. You've come out the other side, you've worked through a lot of stuff. Yeah, it just blessed me to hear how the lord just constantly surrounded you with strong women of the faith so that you could see what to do, how to do it. Yeah, um, the prayer. Yeah, whenever I hear about that, I always think of pastor dave and pastor sheree and kind of how she is for him and how they work together as a team and just to all the different areas.

Speaker 2: 2:35:20

I'm like man, yeah it's just we're really blessed man.

Speaker 2: 2:35:24

We really are um they're awesome so you're in a new season, you're in a new place. It sounds to me like the, the kiddos are really thriving after jesus, man. They, they're going after God and influencing their generation with where they are right now, man, they are, which that's beautiful, as we started off by telling you that you've done a great job in being obedient to what God was telling you to do getting them in his house so that, when they're older, they won't depart, right? So what are you? Give me a five year, and then give me a 20 year.

Speaker 4: 2:36:04

Oh boy, I don't know if I've thought out 20 years.

Speaker 2: 2:36:06

Um yeah, again created, caught her off guard, did you um and and the 20 year blue sky it oh boy boy. Okay, oh boy, all right, you had all the money and you could do anything. Okay, what would you do?

Speaker 4: 2:36:20

Okay, let's start 20 years and then work our way back.

Speaker 1: 2:36:24

Let's go.

Speaker 2: 2:36:25

Let's get crazy, let's go 20 years oh gosh, we got a crazy God man he's a big.

Speaker 3: 2:36:31

God 20 years.

Speaker 1: 2:36:33

You're that old. I'm 41, guys, really she's my age yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:36:36

The bangs hide a lot, I hate that Good jeans. Bangs. God's been good to us, sis.

Speaker 4: 2:36:42

Yeah, it's good stuff, God. Thank you Jesus.

Speaker 1: 2:36:46

I've seen your dad. He still looks good for his age.

Speaker 4: 2:36:47

man he's like full head of hair. Mom's super cute.

Speaker 2: 2:36:51

He's a baseball player, ashley bro, just good genes, they're the most adorable people, man Just good genes.

Speaker 4: 2:36:57

They are so cute and they just love each other.

Speaker 3: 2:37:00

They were another people that were instrumental to me. Aw, you know what I mean. That's awesome.

Speaker 1: 2:37:03

Your mom. She'd always come up and just love on me. Aw, yeah.

Speaker 4: 2:37:06

Tell me I'm praying for you. Aw gosh, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 2:37:12

Yeah, she's Before you start your thing. How'd you? Get them to? How'd they convert?

Speaker 3: 2:37:17

Ooh.

Speaker 2: 2:37:18

Oh, that's good. Yeah, because mama was Catholic, yeah, and dad was doing his thing.

Speaker 4: 2:37:23

Wow, my mom, it was when we started to go to LifeLink. We should get Chris on here, bro, we should, that'd be a fun one.

Speaker 1: 2:37:31

I'm about to reach out to him, do it.

Speaker 3: 2:37:33

Please do.

Speaker 4: 2:37:35

Yeah. And I think it yeah um, and I think we just we kept inviting them and to, like you know, easter, christmas stuff, and the kids were little and they wanted to be a part of their life. Grandma and grandpa and I think, and my mom was more apt to start because she's more, she's a woman so she's more.

Speaker 3: 2:37:57

she's a woman, so she's tuned into the spirit.

Speaker 4: 2:38:00

She feels she could feel God moving and she was like, oh my goodness, it took my dad a couple more times because he really, you know, he was late to the Catholic faith and he really held in high regard the sacraments.

Speaker 3: 2:38:14

Oh wow, communion.

Speaker 4: 2:38:16

Oh wow, it was really important to him, and so probably by the third timeents communion oh wow, it was really important to him, and so probably by the third time they started coming, and then they came for a while and really loved it, and then they went back to the Catholic Church for a little bit.

Speaker 3: 2:38:30

Wow.

Speaker 4: 2:38:30

To get the sacraments.

Speaker 3: 2:38:32

Wow.

Speaker 4: 2:38:33

And then God called them back again, and so now they're going to Sun Valley, love it, and they're plugged in there, yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:38:43

God's wild. He knows, he knows what we need. He really does. He does Before we ask.

Speaker 4: 2:38:50

He's just, he's a good father, and so 20 years that's a long time. I would love to be traveling, okay, either. Traveling the world, working with Nate, healing men and women Like I have a burden for what Nate has a burden for burden to see men, warriors, healed, like and bring healing to them and equip their family members to know how to navigate that amen, um. And so I've gotten the opportunity, like I'm also volunteering with the city of mesa uh police department as, like a family, peer support member so like when there's a critical incident, I go and I work with the spouses, which is so cool.

Speaker 3: 2:39:47

And.

Speaker 4: 2:39:47

God, just like he's lining all these things up that I wouldn't have thought to go after. So he's lining it up and my heart's passion is there. And like he's teaching me like I get to work with Genie Alley and learn how to heal, help people heal.

Speaker 2: 2:40:01

Help people. Hear from God. It's so good.

Speaker 4: 2:40:05

And heal, which is I have a passion for helping people heal to become the fullness of who? They've created to be to get unstuck, and so in 20 years, that's our, our we're either traveling and ministering to people together that way, and I'm painting and somehow that's related to, uh, the healing journey, and maybe I'm painting like something that represents them healing or teaching them how to that's what I was going to say so they can use it for healing in their lives Because it's so healing.

Speaker 2: 2:40:38

It's a tool.

Speaker 4: 2:40:39

When you work in that opposite brain. What are you going to say? You got something.

Speaker 1: 2:40:43

When you can get a person who's hurting and you can get what's here and get it out and expressed in some way that through a painting, they can express what they're feeling, and now they have this visual, an actual visual of what's taking place. God, I could see that for you girl.

Speaker 4: 2:41:06

Wouldn't that be cool? It doesn't have to make sense. It doesn't it doesn't have to be anything, just brush marks. You're just expressing. Because what's going on here doesn't really make sense anyways no, it doesn't, but there's something that happens, like they can put it here and it doesn't have to be a picture of something specific.

Speaker 1: 2:41:25

It could just be, like you said, brush strokes, but to them they see the pain in this stroke, the hurting in that stroke, and to them it's there's something in it, yeah, that they can see. Nobody else has to see nobody. It doesn't have to be for anybody else no but that could. That could be a releasing yes point where they can yeah, because we know, through recovery, man, you can't, god can't heal what you keep hidden right, exactly, you know what I mean, and so some people don't want to verbally talk about what they've been through, but they can express it through painting.

Speaker 3: 2:41:56

Yes, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 2:41:57

Yeah, god, that is so freaking good Right.

Speaker 4: 2:42:00

Yeah, I see that for you, and maybe that's more of a five-year goal and not a 20. I don't know.

Speaker 3: 2:42:05

God is cool.

Speaker 4: 2:42:06

Yeah, he is. He accelerates things, or even not traveling, but having a facility where we heal, like a retreat center where we walk people through healing yeah, I could see nate in the mountains. Oh 100, oh yeah, like that's with the property he talked about that being his vision, um, and I would like that to be more like a five-year goal you guys are going to become partners with us and you're going to run the ranch that we're going to send all the broken men and women to let's go, we'll pay'll pay for it.

Speaker 3: 2:42:37

You guys run it.

Speaker 1: 2:42:40

Eddie's got something, so look, you take what he wants to do mix it with what you want to do and you could literally have these men who are up there like physically training like Nate likes to do and find healing, but then there's an aspect of it where they're with you for a little bit and they're having this creative arty get it out kind of right, holy crap, that could be something huge, man yeah and um, I feel like god's been developing, uh, like a singing prayer language for me come on now where it just comes out like it's just sounds, almost like meditative sounds, and it's just.

Speaker 4: 2:43:17

But it's a holy spirit, just kidding. Just kidding. That was I'm not possessed, it was just filled with the holy spirit only ghost.

Speaker 1: 2:43:33

It's okay, guys, don't be scared no no, like, just I don't know I'm sorry, I didn't mean to no, that was funny, I hope.

Speaker 4: 2:43:39

I didn't make it weird this is the one thing I want to ask from you.

Speaker 2: 2:43:42

You shared about an encounter that you had in Catholic school. Okay, but I want to know when Jesus became so real to you.

Speaker 4: 2:43:51

I've had so many moments.

Speaker 2: 2:44:00

He's just revealed himself in reveal themselves in layers because some like my, my, mine was a day august 26 2014 yeah some people it just happens over a period of time. Right, is that kind of what god's done? With you over a period of time or did you have an encounter where you met jesus? You heard him, you saw him, you felt him, you're in it.

Speaker 1: 2:44:12

Everything changed, not everybody has a burning bush moment. Yeah not everybody does. You know what I mean.

Speaker 4: 2:44:16

Right, like I don't. I can't say that I've had that like drastic encounter. It's more like just those still small moments where he's all I have and he just gets me through, where he's just developing me. So, because I grew up with a knowing of him and then I would say if I did have a burning bush moment, it would be that moment um at the retreat, where I felt tangibly a change in who I was and like how I perceived the world. Um, and I knew, okay, I needed more, like there's more to Jesus than just a religion or a catholic.

Speaker 2: 2:44:57

So that was yeah. I mean, I would say, that was it, yeah, right.

Speaker 4: 2:45:01

Go figure, and it's always been like he's always had this draw where he just always is pulling me out.

Speaker 2: 2:45:16

Look even as a teenager in a Catholic Church right the things was like. Jesus is over there. He's been drawing you in listening to this testimony. Jesus is in all of it. He With the kids, the crash in 2008,. How you're parenting, the ministry serving, how you're raising the kids, how you're praying and serving for Nate and helping Nate, Trying he's all over you.

Speaker 4: 2:45:51

He is, yeah, and it's just. He's just glory to glory where I have you know. It's a process of knowing him more and knowing him in deeper layers, Like that season where it was really hard and we were experiencing warfare. Like God, he was so close to me and he was the reason we got through that season, Like he had his hand on us I don't know why, but right now all I and it's just this daniel peterson art book.

Speaker 2: 2:46:31

It's literally a book with all these different pieces of art that you've painted oh it sits on someone's coffee table in their living room. Oh okay, I received that, yeah because I felt at the beginning a book, but I'm like she's not a writer how is she? Gonna. What's she gonna do? You're literally gonna create this wow coffee table book for all these beautiful pictures and these, just like what you're saying, the words, how you're gonna describe where this painting came from. Yeah, man, I'd buy that, lord okay, isn't that funny?

Speaker 4: 2:47:04

isn't that like god to? Take a little girl who sucked at reading and writing and had to do a grade over and turn me around and make me someone who's gonna write write.

Speaker 3: 2:47:16

Remember earlier you said something and I was like dang it.

Speaker 1: 2:47:20

My thing that the devil tacks me on is speaking in front of people.

Speaker 3: 2:47:23

See look at you.

Speaker 1: 2:47:25

God's made it very clear that.

Speaker 2: 2:47:27

Oh, he's going to speak in front of multitudes. He's going to speak in front of lots of people.

Speaker 1: 2:47:32

Time and time again that people see me speaking in front of groups of like thousands of men. And it just terrifies me but when you were talking about that, I was like that's something I gotta overcome come on, buddy man because the enemies and let me really fights me on that one, yeah, but I also know that's really what god wants me to do.

Speaker 2: 2:47:49

Yeah, he wants you to speak into men's lives and their marriages and how they're treating their wives and their kids, and all the stuff you did, bro, the pain points I want to be, though it comes your purpose.

Speaker 1: 2:47:59

He wants me to be because there's nobody better to speak into it. But every time I hear somebody like talk like what you were just saying, like earlier, I'm like dang it, god.

Speaker 3: 2:48:09

I know what you're trying to do dude.

Speaker 2: 2:48:20

It's great because it just confirms for me, because the areas in my life that I've really struggled are like sexual integrity porn, you know what I mean, that kind of stuff, and then the drugs and the alcohol and the very things god's called me to is sexual integrity and giving a voice to men to be pure and get off the porn and quit doing weird stuff and be a man.

Speaker 2: 2:48:37

Deny yourself, and now the one's recovery, helping people out of addiction, the two places in my life that the enemy just destroyed me. Now I'm able to use that. It's my purpose, amen.

Speaker 4: 2:48:50

Yeah, he doesn't waste, it, no he don't If we give it to him, he sanctifies it and uses it as a tool.

Speaker 3: 2:48:55

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 2:48:56

But, eddie, you have a voice and when I listen to these podcasts like you're, deep waters bud.

Speaker 1: 2:49:03

I know. Like you have stuff to say, his sister tells me all the time dude, you're so wise. I listen to your podcast and just the things you say, you're just. I'm like oh God, stop, I don't terrified Lord.

Speaker 4: 2:49:16

And God. If it doesn't scare you, that's probably not from God. It terrifies me, man. Yeah, Because I know it's true. Yes.

Speaker 1: 2:49:21

You know what I mean. I know it's true because it's been prophesied over me several times, and I know it's true. But it's also the thing that terrifies me the most.

Speaker 3: 2:49:27

Yep.

Speaker 1: 2:49:28

And I'm just ugh See.

Speaker 2: 2:49:31

I think, of these I see like Indonesia bro with the thing and sea of people. You can't even see the end of them.

Speaker 3: 2:49:38

I'm like Lord yes, where there's literally stands of speakers just so those people can hear.

Speaker 1: 2:49:44

Oh great, so you're saying the 10 revivals were for me, jesus?

Speaker 2: 2:49:48

Jesus, Wow, 40-day crusades just landing in this city. Man and just 40 days, day and night.

Speaker 1: 2:49:54

Pastor Tom is laying the way too. Come on.

Speaker 2: 2:49:56

Pastor you In just 40 days, day and night. Pastor Tom is laying the way too. Come on, pastor, you're laying the way, jesus.

Speaker 1: 2:50:00

I told Pastor Tom. I said, dude, give me a few more years, Let me get to my place, and when I get there I'll go with you everywhere we're going to go. And now I'm hearing these people. Someone told me it was like the new Reinhardt Bunky.

Speaker 2: 2:50:15

Come on man, oh wow.

Speaker 1: 2:50:15

And. I'm like oh yeah dude, Thank you.

Speaker 2: 2:50:18

Lord. Yeah, thank you, lord, I can see me and Pastor Tom doing Reinhardt Bunky stuff.

Speaker 4: 2:50:22

Okay, yeah, man, thank you Lord.

Speaker 1: 2:50:24

Yeah, that's my dude right there.

Speaker 4: 2:50:26

He's yeah, yeah, yeah, you guys are like brothers.

Speaker 1: 2:50:39

You changed my life yeah man.

Speaker 3: 2:50:40

That's cool.

Speaker 1: 2:50:40

That's really cool. He knew what am I going to pray for her? She's got to finish her dream.

Speaker 3: 2:50:45

She only made it to the one. Thing.

Speaker 4: 2:50:47

Got all caught off on the book and the healing and the camps, and never really got to finish what she was praying to God, for he's really been developing my gifts and showing me gifts I didn't know I had and I don't fully know what that looks like. Like. I know prophetically, like he really wants me to grow in that and intercessory prayer is like deep, like he's digging deep wells there um, yeah so I don't know where that's going.

Speaker 4: 2:51:18

I I'm part of an intercessory group for good um, a mission, uh organization, where it's called life giving network, and they equip boots on the ground like people. That is primarily in india, where they equip people in india to go out and evangelize the Indian people and then they equip them to learn how to walk as Christians, but then also equip them with tangible ways to make money, like water filtration, a craft skill, and so not only are they-?

Speaker 2: 2:51:53

Yeah, because there's a class system over there. You can't escape.

Speaker 3: 2:51:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:51:56

I've been to India and I know all about that and I can't wait to go back and share the gospel there you go, jesus, hook him up with those mission people. In God's time bud, Not in mine. Your will be done, Lord.

Speaker 1: 2:52:09

Release him Lord.

Speaker 3: 2:52:13

He's like get him out of my house. What do?

Speaker 1: 2:52:17

you mean, I get to travel with you to make sure you don't get in trouble bud.

Speaker 2: 2:52:20

Amen, buddy Accountability. Amen, oh boy Jesus, we're praying.

Speaker 4: 2:52:29

Healing is part of it. I really I've been working with Jeannie and I see this vision. It's a lot of what, like you said, eddie, is this place where people can come to be healed and learn how to process it and then leave with that piece of art that represents that, like the 12 stones in the river, the Jordan River, like there's a marker of a season of transition.

Speaker 3: 2:52:59

Like God showed up.

Speaker 4: 2:53:00

You're taking this home as a right. As a memento as a marker.

Speaker 2: 2:53:07

It reminds you. It's like a where God changed you.

Speaker 4: 2:53:10

It's what did?

Speaker 2: 2:53:11

they do in the Old Testament.

Speaker 4: 2:53:13

They built the altars man.

Speaker 2: 2:53:15

We've got to remind the ones, the generations coming after us, us what our God did Right, because when we forget, we forget.

Speaker 3: 2:53:22

We leak so.

Speaker 1: 2:53:27

Facility's name is 12 Stones.

Speaker 4: 2:53:29

I like that.

Speaker 1: 2:53:30

I love that.

Speaker 3: 2:53:32

Deep Waters over there. I like it.

Speaker 4: 2:53:38

That works for Nate too. That works for what he's doing, and so he's god's just. He's a really yeah. In five years, I want to have a facility where we are healing men and women and teaching them how to walk in freedom and not just be healed and need to come back for healing, but but to walk in freedom.

Speaker 2: 2:53:58

Yeah, life change. Yeah, real life change.

Speaker 1: 2:54:03

But give them the tools where they can do it Cause stuff sticks to us, stuff happens, life happens man.

Speaker 4: 2:54:08

Yeah, just going through a day in the life of a person, you stuff happens there's. There's a world out there we don't perceive, so we need to address it. But yeah, that's, I would say, that's my vision and I'm just saying, god, what do you want? What do you want, jesus? I want what you want.

Speaker 1: 2:54:26

Yeah, so I see like it's good Individual men, individual women. But I also see like a weekend couples healing thing too.

Speaker 3: 2:54:37

Yeah, I like weekend couples healing thing too, yeah I like I mean where healing marriages?

Speaker 1: 2:54:41

yeah, man not just individuals, but marriages too. So don't don't block that off I see that as well.

Speaker 3: 2:54:47

Where?

Speaker 1: 2:54:48

this facility has like a weekends couple yeah, you and nate are working together.

Speaker 4: 2:54:52

Come on, husband and wife's are coming together yeah, we've learned a lot of things along the way.

Speaker 1: 2:54:57

Because the things that you're learning, now that you just talked about that, god is teaching you how to pray for your husband.

Speaker 2: 2:55:02

That's what you're going to be giving to them, girls.

Speaker 1: 2:55:05

That's what you're going to be pouring into these.

Speaker 2: 2:55:07

Teaching them.

Speaker 1: 2:55:08

A couple of things into these women. And he's going to be teaching these men.

Speaker 2: 2:55:11

How to be a God, how to lead his family.

Speaker 1: 2:55:14

Yeah, how to lead his children, how to lead his household.

Speaker 3: 2:55:17

Okay.

Speaker 1: 2:55:18

You know what I mean. And then there's going to be this men physical thing and the women painting thing. Yeah, and you know, yeah, you have no idea what God's got coming for you guys.

Speaker 2: 2:55:25

Yeah, because you know Nate and his outdoor games and fitness and man being man yeah, I could see it, dude, you remember his training thing? Yes, His fly through. Yeah, with the tires, yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:55:39

I almost signed up for that. I'm like there, ain't no?

Speaker 3: 2:55:41

way, I know.

Speaker 4: 2:55:42

He would have picked your butt he would have too, but it was so good Like he still has guys that signed up for that.

Speaker 3: 2:55:48

Come on, that will like all him. Yeah, Come on.

Speaker 4: 2:55:51

And so he, just he really knows how to get to the heart of a man and it's so beautiful, it's so beautiful and I, just I, so I just look at him sometimes and I'm just like I can't believe I get to be your wife, like it's such an honor to be cause. I see the calling, I see the anointing.

Speaker 2: 2:56:11

Yeah, you're blessed, you got a good one.

Speaker 4: 2:56:13

It's so heavy and sometimes like God's really teaching me to that I am worthy of that and holding that anointing, and he's teaching me how to be, to walk in that because it's. I know it's big, I see it and I feel it. Um born like that weird in between season Right.

Speaker 2: 2:56:34

Um, you're being prepared for it?

Speaker 4: 2:56:36

Yeah, and so it feels like it's not going to happen, but I know it will. I'm like God, I know it will, but yeah, yeah, that's, that's what's happening.

Speaker 2: 2:56:47

That's Jesus, that's our God man.

Speaker 3: 2:56:50

He's good.

Speaker 2: 2:56:51

Thank you, sis.

Speaker 1: 2:56:52

Appreciate you man.

Speaker 4: 2:56:53

Thank you.

Speaker 2: 2:57:02

Yeah, thank you. Yeah, this is good. Man, I'm excited, we had fun. Man I'm gonna feel worn out.

Speaker 1: 2:57:04

I'm like I might feel this one in the morning. Do you have? If someone?

Speaker 2: 2:57:05

wanted to check out your art, or so a seed into you or something like that how can they?

Speaker 1: 2:57:11

how can they do that?

Speaker 4: 2:57:12

yeah, um, I am on instagram at danielle peterson art and I have a website, daniellepeterson-artcom. All my work's available there. I have prints of everything, so if you see something you love, I can get it to you in any format you want. Yeah, just shout out and say hi.

Speaker 1: 2:57:34

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 2:57:34

That's all I'm looking for a connection.

Speaker 1: 2:57:36

Yeah, yeah, I love watching your stuff, man're inspirational. Thanks, yeah, it's a joy to watch you guys just flourish and grow and just yeah, that's a blessing, man thank you.

Speaker 4: 2:57:46

Yeah, an honor to be on your podcast you guys, appreciate your yes, love you guys yeah, let me pray for you all right, jesus man god.

Speaker 2: 2:57:57

Thank you, lord thank you, jesus, thank you lord, thank you for danielle, god.

Speaker 2: 2:58:05

Thank you that the next 40 years of her life, god, are going to be sold out for you and your people thank you, jesus I feel like it's been up to this point where it's kind of a wilderness finding who you are, and now you're walking into you and your identity and your purpose and your life, and you're the the very thing that god created you for, um. So when you, when I heard 12 stones, I saw that 12 stones the name of the book, 12 stones the name of the facility, god. So we just, lord, that people are going to be changed through what you're going to do, through the Petersons in the future, god, there's marriages that are going to be healed. There's men and women that are going to be healed. God, there's families that are going to come back together.

Speaker 2: 2:58:51

Thank you, lord. Lord, I just thank you so much for what you've already done, but, lord, I give you praise so much for what you're doing, what you've already done, um, but Lord, I give you praise Jesus for what you're going to do, um, because the best days in her life are yet to come, um. So, god, I just thank you that you're going to use this testimony for your glory, um, I pray that people encouraged by it, god, um. And yeah, we just thank you, lord.

Speaker 2: 2:59:20

We thank you for this opportunity to sit down and share, because you are a good, good father, and we just plead the blood over her and thank you for her, god in Jesus' name. Thank you Jesus, amen, amen. Danielle, can you do us a favor and pray for me and dad, and pray for Speak Life.

Speaker 4: 2:59:34

Oh goodness, you betcha.

Speaker 2: 2:59:35

Yes, you betcha.

Speaker 4: 2:59:36

Wow, what an honor. Okay, well, jesus, we just thank you. Thank you for the ability to come on this show and the honor it is to get to share with my brothers in Christ. Lord, I just ask that you release a powerful blessing and anointing into each one of their lives.

Speaker 4: 2:59:56

God, thank you that Eddiedie is. He is going to be on stage, lord, I just released that over him. God, thank you that you are pouring out your encouragement into him. Lord, he would receive that encouragement and you just give him the steps, um, for what that looks like in his life. And and, lord God, he would not be ahead of your timing or behind it, but he would just be right in step with where you want him to be. And, lord, I thank you, god, for those hidden seasons. God, while you're developing the character that you need to develop in each one of us, and I just I see that seed so deeply in Eddie, and what an honor to witness what you're doing in and through him, lord Jesus. So I just release that. I release blessing over his life. Your power and presence be manifest in everything that he does. You're sending holy encounters to him as he works on vehicles.

Speaker 4: 3:00:58

Lord, god, that it would not just be a day in the life of a mechanic.

Speaker 4: 3:01:02

God, but you're just sending people because you know your son is faithful and he's just going to get so powerful in speaking and releasing you over people. It's going to be amazing what you're doing in and through him. I thank you for Rowdy God. Thank you that you are just developing his character. You're growing him in this hidden season and developing all the things that you've called him to be, lord god, and you're working all things out. You're working him and as he's working and growing in you, lord god, you're.

Speaker 4: 3:01:34

He'll look over, just like Pastor Dave says. He'll look over and there'll be that woman who's doing the same thing, a perfect helpmate for him is is coming along in the perfect season, lord God, and again, he wouldn't be ahead or behind of your will, he'd be right in step. I ask you to loose your angels to surround them and protect them and guard their ways. Angels to surround them and protect them and guard their ways. And God that your hand would be on this ministry and you just bless so many lives and release your truth and your kingdom into people's lives that wouldn't otherwise hear your truth because of this podcast. So thank you for their faithfulness. I pray that you bless the hands of their work, the work of their hands, lord God, and cover them and protect them as they go about their days In Jesus' name amen.

Speaker 2: 3:02:24

Amen. Thank you so much, sis, appreciate you. Hey, everybody, I don't know where you are watching us or where you're listening to us at, but whatever platform YouTube, spotify, apple please subscribe to the channel man. You'll get all the notifications for all the upcoming podcasts. If you could please go on there and comment, it really helps with the algorithms and like the being seen through all the stuff behind the scenes. If you yourself want to come on and share your testimony on the podcast, you can reach out through social media. Speak Life AZ. All One word Instagram, facebook, twitter. But until next time, we're going to continue to speak life AZ. God bless you, jesus. That was awesome. You had a long day. That was awesome. That was so long.