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Kent Chase Testimony
Every swing in life has consequences, but Kent Chase's journey proves it's never too late for a comeback. A former professional golfer whose talent took him around the world playing alongside legends like Arnold Palmer and Payne Stewart, Kent's story unfolds as a raw testament to both human frailty and divine restoration.
From his promising start as a golf prodigy to international success, Kent's life seemed charmed on the surface. Behind the accolades lurked a growing darkness—tumultuous relationships spanning four marriages, devastating loss, and a spiraling addiction that eventually left him homeless and ready to die under a bus bench surrounded by fentanyl addicts.
When Kent finally surrendered completely to God at the Dream Center, something remarkable happened. The very gift that had defined his earlier life—golf—became the vehicle for his ministry. Today, through his Golf Programs in Schools (GPS) initiative, Kent reaches thousands of children worldwide, teaching them life principles through golf fundamentals while sharing the gospel in countries where traditional evangelism is forbidden.
His innovative approach translates golf basics into spiritual truths: grip (Bible study), alignment (prayer), and posture (daily preparation)—showing how properly "gripping" life leads to better results. Working alongside other athletes in ministry, Kent is now developing golf programs at recovery facilities worldwide, providing vocational opportunities while mentoring others through their own journeys.
Kent's testimony reveals how God doesn't waste our pain, talents, or even our failures—everything becomes material for transformation when placed in the Master's hands. Listen as Kent vulnerably shares how he found sustainable joy not through achievements or possessions, but by putting Jesus first and others before himself.
all right, everybody. Welcome back to the speak life az podcast testimony of jesus and everyday people. I'm your host, eddie, and always with me is my son, rowdy. Jesus, what's up, dude?
Speaker 2:Let's go bro. Yeah, man, how was your Saturday man?
Speaker 1:Oh, I took a nap.
Speaker 2:What the heck they're paying you to sleep $50 an hour to take a nap, buddy. God is good buddy.
Speaker 1:It was a slow day, man Amen. God is good, buddy. It was a slow day, man Amen. It was hot 115. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Let's go get our car work done. Yeah, no, I doubt that. How was you man? It was great, bro. We got the. I can't figure out which room that one room is labeled when you first come in the door Family room, that's our family room. Got the family room figured out, man. We're starting to get the rooms. Or you know, moving bro, amen takes a minute to get stuff situated and rooms figured out. And I still got clothes.
Speaker 1:Fourth of july weekend your three-day weekend's gonna be organizing bud I'm excited about this one bro yeah, we've been trying to do this one for a while, and it's been us getting sick golf balls to the hospital, yeah, so it's been a little bit. I'm excited to hear this one man who'd you bring with you?
Speaker 2:brother dude? I got my brother kent from teen channel. What's up, kent?
Speaker 3:how you doing man good, roddy, thank you come on man uh
Speaker 1:hey, kate, when, uh, when god asked us to do this, man, and he, he made it very clear to um give honor when honor is due, man, and every time we get a chance to sit down with one of the king's sons or daughters, he made it very clear to us to honor them, because the only commodity in life we don't get more of is time time. So the fact that you're sharing some of your time with us, man, we're very grateful and appreciate that so much and we're excited about what's getting ready to happen, man, because we know that uh enemy tries to keep us quiet, man, and we're going throw some blows today and we're going to kick him in his face and tell him to shut up.
Speaker 3:So thank you for your time, brother, and I'm actually honored to be here, and I'm thankful for being able to give my time, because this is a very, very good cause Come on buddy. I love having the opportunity to share my testimony.
Speaker 2:We appreciate you brother For me, kent, I, I know a little bit about you, man from eric and, uh, old man john johnny duncan the commander. If you watch this bud, I love you, commander, miss you buddy, I miss him too um, but so I just know a little bit about you, bro, but you, uh, you're a pro and like the only sport that I'm actually any good at which is golf dude.
Speaker 2:So um, I watch you and your videos and your social media presence and it's cool, man, what you're doing and for the kids and your golf academy and you're trying to really uh help people using the game of golf but at the same time, uh, you use it for evangelizing and sharing Jesus with people and God with people. So, yeah, it's beautiful to watch, man, thank you.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:Let me just pray real quick and then we'll kind of get into this thing. Man, let's do it. Jesus, man, holy Spirit, whoo-wee. God, I thank you for what you're getting ready to do. Praise the Lord. I thank you for what you're getting ready to do. Praise the Lord. I thank you for your son, kent. God, I thank you for all. I just see these ups and downs and ups and downs. I thank you for the journey that he's been on With you, god.
Speaker 2:Lord, I just pray right now that whoever's going to listen to this or whoever's going to watch this, god, that they can really feel you, they can experience you, holy spirit, through this testimony. Yeah, it's God. The only reason he's sitting in this chair and he's able to record today, god, is because of you, cause he made a lot of choices, lord, to take himself out, but by your grace, you kept him by your saving, your mighty right hand. Thank you, lord. So I just thank you, god, for just the anointing over this podcast and this recording, because it really is the anointing that breaks the yokes on our lives, the strongholds in our minds. God, I pray that my brother can, um, can, really speak with clarity. Um, I thank you for just what's getting ready to come forth. Lord, you knew today was going to happen, um, so I just thank you for my brother, and he's been the pen in your hand. You've been writing this book, god. Um, so we just thank you for for all of it, in Jesus name, amen.
Speaker 3:Amen.
Speaker 2:Um, so can't uh you? You said you've listened to a couple of these, man. I think we got like 81 of them, I believe, on audio and uh, 31 of them on video. Um, god's doing it, man.
Speaker 2:We're staying faithful, bud amen um, but basically, man, when god gave this to us in 2020 during covid, uh, he gave a lot of people podcasts, it seemed like during the shutdown, but me and dad, we were not at all obedient to what he told us to do in the beginning. We were setting up a studio in my bedroom and preaching messages and Bible and Jesus, that's not what God said. Man, when we sat down in 2023, 2023, at the beginning of 2023, like all right, what is this? He told us the speak life az podcast, the testimony of Jesus and everyday people. Um, he showed us a three-chord strand and he said that, uh, it's not easily broken.
Speaker 2:And, um, basically, my brother, what we want today from you is just your testimony, because it don't matter if you're like dad you're over at the muffler shop, sleeping in a chair, myself here setting up baptism, getting the heater, going for tomorrow's service or like yourself, man, we are all everyday people, we've all come from somewhere, we've all got a story, we've all got a testimony, and it's the one thing that the devil does not want us to share in life, man, because he, the darkness, likes to keep us bound and hidden. And, yeah, shh, don't tell nobody that. Um, so what the some of the stuff you're getting ready to share today is some of the stuff that you probably kept secret for during during different seasons of your life. You know what I mean I do now now you're able to share it because,
Speaker 3:of our god.
Speaker 2:Yes, sir, but um, but so we just want to know who, who kent is? Well, we, we want to know where you were born, um, what life was like growing up? Um, your relationship with mom and dad, brothers and sisters, um, where'd you go to school? What was school like for you growing up? Man, was god. What was god in the home?
Speaker 2:Was church just a a sunday thing, or was it something that you saw throughout the week, modeled by your parents? Um, but then you know me and dad. We serving in recovery and working with guys and all different ages and groups of life. Man, a lot of the stuff that we have to heal from later in life it comes from childhood traumas and stuff that happened to us in our early years. So just let Holy Spirit lead you in all of that, my friend.
Speaker 2:But I think the most important thing we want to get today is the day that God got Kent, because your encounter with the living God is different than mine. I was literally at the altar at 1515 West Grand, on my knees all the way to the right side under that big speaker, when God told me I love you, son, I forgive you. That changed my life, man. I still remember that. I got tingles right now. But you know the day when god showed up to you and so just, it's so personal the way that he he revealed himself to you.
Speaker 2:Dad was in a prison cell in tucson, in a max security prison, when god became real to him, man, um. So we just want to know what your encounter was like. And then, at the very end of the recording, you're still young man, you've still got a lot of life ahead of you. We want to know what you're hoping and believing God for. And when we get to that part of the recording, go big Kent, because we got a big God man and the Bible says in Mark 9, 23, that all things are possible for them that believe. So we want to know what you're believing God for so we can pray for you. But we have listeners who are faithful and they pray for every recording and every, every person that comes on and shares.
Speaker 3:Amen, yeah, man wow, a lot, a lot of good there, and I hope I hope I don't go too long because I encountered God a lot of times in my life. Yeah, um, and I had opportunity a lot of times in my life. Yeah, and I had opportunity a lot of times in my life, and I'll start. Probably my first encounter was in Chicago, where I was born. Ah, chicago, yeah so we went to church I mean Winnetka Bible Church and my mom was in the choir. Oh wow.
Speaker 3:And my dad was going to church and taking the four boys to church because my mom thought that would be a really good idea to have us grow up in a Christian home that's great. I was kind of the one that thought church would be kind of wrecking my planned career. I wanted to play golf for a living, so I wasn't really into the Sunday thing, but one day the pastor got up and said you know, you're either going to heaven or you're going to hell and you got an option.
Speaker 3:So you need, me need to make a choice. And so my first encounter of thinking man I better make the right choice here. Because he said all you got to do is accept Jesus into your heart as your, as your savior, and say the simple prayer.
Speaker 3:And then he said just all you got to say is dear Jesus, please come into my life, as I realize. I know you died on the cross and shed your blood for my sins. I know I'm a sinner. I want to put you into my life as my Savior. I accept you as my Lord and Savior. And then he quoted John 3, 16,.
Speaker 3:For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. And then he added John 3, 17,. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved. So the saved thing became big to me. And the born again. He preached the whole sermon on born again and I thought man, so I accepted Jesus into my heart as my savior and I thought good, I'm good to go, I don't have to worry about hell.
Speaker 2:And I was good to go. So you said that even at a young age, your family was trying to get you into church, but it was wrecking your golf. Well, sports then. I should have said sports because I knew I was going to be an athlete. And when we moved, to Arizona shortly thereafter.
Speaker 3:It was golf and I knew it. At a young age I knew I was going to play golf for a living. That's just what I was going to do. I wanted to be an athlete and I could run fast, jump, high, shoot score. But I thought, man, you know, but my dad would always say golf man.
Speaker 1:That's the, that's the only one.
Speaker 3:You ever got hope to make it as a professional, because look how big everybody gets yeah, they're all huge. How are you going to be one of them, you know? You're not going to, so I baseball, nowadays too baseball but you can be some second base and shortman stops are.
Speaker 2:But you're right, they're all corbin carroll's like five, nine and 170 pounds. Yeah, but I'm only 5'6.
Speaker 1:I'm right there with you, bud. They're going to bray you. He's like 5'6. You know what I mean? Yeah, so exactly yeah.
Speaker 3:So but golf made sense to me and I was good, really quick Okay.
Speaker 2:So I mean I was like, wow, I'm better than club probably eight, oh wow, okay.
Speaker 3:And then nine I was into it and then over there in chicago.
Speaker 2:No, no, we moved here.
Speaker 3:When you're here probably seven and a half eight somewhere in there.
Speaker 2:I don't actually remember what year we moved here so your first eight years or so you're over in chicago yeah, we were just in different places.
Speaker 3:My dad was an accountant and then he he had an opportunity to work.
Speaker 2:Arizona bank liked his gift of accounting okay and so he was an accountant for the bank. He was an accountant for the.
Speaker 3:Arizona Bank. He came out all of a sudden. We were moving to Arizona, we moved to Phoenix, scottsdale. Then he was this chief financial officer, I believe was his title at Arizona Bank. Then Security Pacific wanted that bank, so he helped them with their, I believe.
Speaker 2:I hope.
Speaker 3:I've got this accurate business acquisition. He helped them with their I believe. I hope I've got this accurate, the business acquisition he helped them because they have those gifts and and assets and liabilities, and pluses and minuses and loopholes and taxes and whatever he liked.
Speaker 3:Numbers, yeah, so he and then and then that happened again with bank of america. So then he became the chief financial officer for bank of america anyway, he had a great career in the banking industry and yeah, and he had this great idea that we probably should all be studying accounting, because not everybody likes, not many people like to be an accountant for a living, so you guys should really think about that, for a living. And I rebelled because I didn't want to be an accountant, because I hate paperwork.
Speaker 1:I hate paperwork. I'm not good at that. I'm not doing math. Dad, and I saw his gift at that.
Speaker 3:But has gifted that and and but I, but I, I didn't have an interest in that. All right, um, and and the other boys liked music and things like that and they liked working on cars. Like you, they can put a take a car apart and put it together and I hated that it was wasting my time to be working on what I wanted to do, and I already had this idea.
Speaker 3:Man, they're good at that. I'm not. But I think I'm not good at it because I don't want to do it, because I don't like it, because I want to be a golf pro and I thought I'm taking all this time learning how to fix the Mustangs because my dad had some Mustangs going on and so restoring them was a big thing and David would build race cars and race them and give me the race car. I'll race it, but don't make me be working on it.
Speaker 2:That's time and effort. How can I Car? People are special people, special breed of people.
Speaker 1:It's a beautiful thing, it's a different addiction man.
Speaker 3:So my and it would be an addiction to golf and but, but I but it was purposeful because I already knew at a young age I was gonna do that for a living. And the thing about it is it in I got a bull ride collar, a cow, I got opportunities to go to different college scholarships, wise, wow. And all of a sudden I'm through golf. Through golf, wow, yeah, so, really so I mean, yeah, so you.
Speaker 2:You said, you said that let's go back to chicago's. You said uh, it was you and four boys you, there's four brother there's three brothers, so you got, so you're the four. Are you the oldest of the youngest?
Speaker 3:okay, there's a, there's an older brother dale, then myself kent, then jim and doug, james and james I'm the youngest of four boys and doug's oh, you're the youngest okay well, I was the middle, the second one yeah, I'm the oldest of 11 not all blood man we fostered and adopted?
Speaker 3:yeah, but I I seem different than the other boys because I didn't have a passion to be at home and do the things I needed to get out of the house, away, figure out a way to get to the golf course, figure out a way to work on my golf game and I didn't have the same. And my dad loved golf.
Speaker 2:That was my biggest fortunate thing it was something you bonded with dad, so I was able to play golf with him. I shoot some pool with him.
Speaker 3:He'd pay me money if I could beat him in pool, because we always had a game.
Speaker 2:When were you born? Kent, 1958. Okay, all right, buddy. So in the 70s you were in your golden years, 70.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so somehow, somehow I ended up playing golf at Scottsdale Community College and played really well and made All American, so options came for where I might go to college and it was Florida International University that gave me a full ride, wow. And I got the penthouse and I got the whole thing and I was living the dream and all of a sudden I'm in a very favored type of situation. We weren't rich kids growing up, but we were okay just a normal middle-income family, I think we would call it.
Speaker 3:But we didn't have any problems no drugs, no nothing. I mean I could sneak a beer or two, but but that's you know. My dad had a beer too when he came home from work, and it was no big deal so so what do you mean by a favored situation? Well, once you get a college scholarship, full ride, the dean likes you and the team likes you and you get the penthouse and you're living for free and you can pass.
Speaker 2:You can sneak through a few classes but held the same standard as everybody else back in the day that was, that was back before nil but the football player that you know it's how do I say it best without hurting anybody's feelings?
Speaker 3:but I didn't have to go to some of my classes because I could get an a in it without going and I could practice golf preparing for the big.
Speaker 2:So that you win for your school. Yeah.
Speaker 3:So that's important too. Yeah, so you might.
Speaker 2:That's why you were at school. Yeah, to win for us. I mean, I got good grades and stuff.
Speaker 3:That was okay, but so life got good. Grades weren't your thing, though.
Speaker 2:No, I got good grades.
Speaker 3:Reasonable, yeah A's and B's when I was growing up. He wasn't into average, which he called C's, and C's are good. He asked me actually when I was a little kid you're getting these C's, do you feel that's good? I said, well, yeah. The teacher said C's are fine, it's satisfactory. And he said, well, you're smart, aren't you? I said well, yeah, I'm smart. So a smart guy probably shouldn't get average type students or grades right.
Speaker 3:And then he said if your IQ was on the other end of the IQ spectrum and you would have answered that you're not smart, then I would say Cs are great. But you didn't answer the question that way. You said you're smart. So do you think smart people should get Cs? Oh, wow, smart. So do you think smart people should get c's? Oh, wow, okay, dad, you got me on that one. So then I started he did you started applying yourself. Yeah, really paying attention. Yeah, I mean, I sat in his room a lot when I was a little kid and let's he, I got to get he.
Speaker 3:We had a little bond that was very unique and private and beautiful in the golf course and and after the golf course, there was always the bar, and and I wasn't a drinker as a kid, but but him and the men- he's in heaven smiling down upon us, knowing I'm saying this, but of course he had a couple of beers after a round of golf 100 of the time, yeah, and that's fine and I don't have any problem with that, but, but, but, but.
Speaker 3:The thing is um, I loved my time with my dad and I loved that I got to do that and I loved um those days where were the other boys not with you? Not in in the golf, no, zero Golf, wasn't that interesting to them?
Speaker 2:So it was your and dad. No, they were really good at music and guitar. That was your and dad's time.
Speaker 3:And art and they're really good. So that was a bond that you and your dad had you and your dad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they could build houses and build cars and do.
Speaker 1:They could do. They type of people, yeah, yeah and and sometimes people say with their hands yeah, well, I'm good with my hands, but I didn't have to.
Speaker 3:To me I could fix the thing, but then I need to read the instructional manual and then there's more time and effort, and then we have the wrong tools and there's more time and effort.
Speaker 2:You're like me, can't. Yeah, that's how I am. I call dad, dad.
Speaker 3:I can't figure this out, man, but I but I the craziest thing is is I knew, growing, I knew I could go ahead and switch direction and skip the golf thing and go get good at what people wanted me to get good at and be this jack of all trades. But I had to abandon what I felt was my gift and I felt kind of the way Tiger Woods was when he was clear he was better than anybody.
Speaker 1:He was the future.
Speaker 3:Like Michael Jordan, he was the ultimate basketball player. He could have spent more time being a mechanic or working on cars or working on other things. But then he wouldn't have been able to spend all those hours going forward in what he knew was going to be his career.
Speaker 1:So there is a thing about there is something.
Speaker 3:If you have a gift, there might be a case for, if God is calling you to use that for your, for your, and he did, but I just didn't know the way.
Speaker 1:You can be good at all things by applying yourself all different ways, or you can be great at one thing by spending your time and energy on that one thing.
Speaker 3:And I had no idea what God's purpose was for my gift, which I'll get to on this, in this, in this this crazy how. God had a plan for me to go through the golf and what I'm about to tell you. I had to go through to get where I got now. Thank you, Jesus.
Speaker 2:So you move over to Arizona from Chicago. You, mom and Dad and the four boys, you guys, are going to church. Over in Chicago was the first quote unquote encounter at the church over there. What was the name of the church? Winnetka, bible Church, Winnetka. I love that. One day we're going to go to Chicago. Man, that's out of my bucket list. Just the buildings and the river and the architecture. Man, I want to see some of the stuff from Al Capone.
Speaker 1:Just don't stray into the wrong neighborhood.
Speaker 2:Hey, what's that white boy doing here? I claim.
Speaker 3:Vikings. Oh, you're a Vikings fan? Well, no.
Speaker 1:Hereditarily 50%.
Speaker 3:Norwegian 50%. Swedish and the other 25% is English and a few other things which is the name chase, but Norwegians are pretty much Vikings.
Speaker 2:We took over the pirate ship, so don't be calling me no white boy, I'm kidding, I'm as white as I get with blue eyes. So you go from Chicago and you're here in Arizona. You guys find a church here, I'm sure.
Speaker 3:We have Scottsdale Bible Church, really so we grew up in Scottsdale Bible Church.
Speaker 2:I bet you tripped out. When you're over there at the ranch and we're going to church, where do you go? Scottsdale Bible Church what in the world? This has come full circle. Yeah, we'll get to that man. So you're here with the boys and you talked about you end up graduating high school, you have all these different offers and you take a full ride over to Florida and FIU, fiu Over there in Florida.
Speaker 3:Golf management is the first school known to mankind to offer a degree in golf club country club management. Wow, so I have my BS. Degree is in golf club country club management.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 3:So I have my BS degree is in golf club, country club hospitality management specializing in golf club management, slash country club management. Really, that's my degree hospitality management.
Speaker 1:Golf pro.
Speaker 3:That's what you're made to do, which meant if I but it wasn't how to play golf, it was how to run a golf. The golf industry.
Speaker 1:The business. Hundreds of jobs to run a golf industry. The business.
Speaker 3:Hundreds of jobs in the golf industry business. And I said to my dad man, because the idea was, I'll get a scholarship somewhere where I can study accounting and that way, if I'm not good enough at making it playing golf for a living.
Speaker 2:Well, this is kind of accounting.
Speaker 3:Well, I said Dad, this is hospitality industry.
Speaker 2:This is me.
Speaker 3:I could be you. You know, if I don't make it playing golf for for a living, then then I can fall back into golf club management, and, and so that made it make sense. It was a full ride so they didn't have to pay any money for me to go to school.
Speaker 2:You you seem like a people person man.
Speaker 3:So this was total. This is right up your alley, wow.
Speaker 2:And then there I went, flying off to florida how old were you when you took off from so? So you left Arizona and went out to Florida 18 years old.
Speaker 3:yeah, Wow, okay.
Speaker 2:Were you scared.
Speaker 3:No, I couldn't wait, because then I knew I could do my thing Wow you were ready, ready to go. I really was not anything about fear, it was just. I want this golf career and I got what I needed and I got my scholarship my full ride thing. And I got what I needed and I got my scholarship my full ride thing, and I'm on the golf team and I've got the penthouse and I got the golf course and I got the dean.
Speaker 3:My friend, I got everything yeah, and I knew that I was going forward and and actually the thing about it, when you get a good scholarship, people are watching you. That might endorse you one day sponsor you whatever that word might be called, yeah so that way you already know you're about to have a future playing golf for a living. Just like when a football player gets to go play golf or football for ASU or UCLA or somewhere, or Stanford. They know they're going to embark on a career.
Speaker 1:What was your handicap going into college?
Speaker 3:I was on the other side of zero Wow. And then when you play professionally or collegiately, there's no such thing as a handicap.
Speaker 1:What you shoot is what you get.
Speaker 3:But it was plus four, which is, if you're a four handicap, I have to give you eight shots. Wow. So I'm going to break par. I'm going to shoot in the 60s pretty much most of the time, really Every time.
Speaker 2:Well, usually I mean that's what? That's not fair. If you want to make a living, I mean dang bro.
Speaker 3:Well, look at wow, look at golf on tv, that's that's what they do, man, that if you don't, then you don't make any money. You might as well not even be doing it when the weather cools down.
Speaker 2:I would love for me and my dad and my brother to be able to force them with you for one round, because I feel like, can't, you could, really could really, we go golfing often.
Speaker 1:My youngest son has a mean slice.
Speaker 2:We need some help, kent. We need some help. That irritates him. He gets so mad. He gets so mad. You know what I mean, and I keep trying to tell him dude, you don't have to bring your club way over here.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean, you, you know, the thing that I get to do now with golf is is is unbelievable what god put into my, into my, vision while I was in at the dream center and I still am yeah, I mean after I lived at teen challenge and graduated twice 13 and a half month program amen, buddy, after I take some of us longer, it's okay.
Speaker 2:I got to go to jail more than once.
Speaker 3:I've got to detox more than once. I actually got to live at Florence Prison too Nice and I actually I'll get to one of my encounters. Do you have a zero before your number? Actually, this is crazy. You won't even believe what I'm about to tell you. But that would be a whole other part of this testimony. They opened up a brand new part of the Florence prison.
Speaker 2:I know they did a DUI yard.
Speaker 3:Well, it was more than just DUI though because there was a brand spanking new part of the prison, and so I was the original prisoner to walk into that place off the white bus, four of us from Mesa jail got off together and they made me go over there and get my ID with my golf shirt on.
Speaker 1:And they made the other people go get their prison garb on. And so.
Speaker 3:I could be known as the original prisoner, and the warden said you know what? I'm going to tell you, how you can be, come friends with a lot of people and gain a lot of favor around here, because I noticed you have some money on your commissary account and we're going to have, if you'll go into what I'm saying. This is from the warden to me we're going to offer everybody a party favor in the form of ramen noodle soup for each prisoner as they come in from the original prisoner, the guy in the yellow ID can chase.
Speaker 3:That's the original prisoner.
Speaker 1:That's what I was known as Wow.
Speaker 3:And that's the crazy thing. So when the judge was sentencing me, he said and Wayne Warner, the dean of men at Teen.
Speaker 2:Challenge.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love you, wayne. He said, kent, we're all going to pray you out because you're on your way to Lower Buckeye Jail today Wow, and didn't end up in lower bucket jail. But he said we need to know. Will you tell us before we say our prayer what are you going to plead? And I said, well, I'm going to plead guilty, but to lesser charges. And he said, wait a minute, were you guilty or not? And I said, yeah, but I need to explain something to you. There was some things in my blood and they got it wrong. And then the alcohol part of it was different when we retested it and and and it was so we think something was wrong with the equipment. So so, something wrong with the equipment guilty to lesser? Hey, wait a minute, let's get off of this. Are you, were you guilty or not? What would jesus do?
Speaker 1:and I said well, well, that's not really fair, because jesus wouldn't be in this predicament.
Speaker 3:So so Wayne Warner is telling me this and I said and Wayne knows this, we talked about it the other day, so he goes. Of course Jesus wouldn't be in that predicament, but you told us over all this time you've been here, that you're trying to walk with Jesus, you're trying to walk with the Holy Spirit guiding your life. You're saying that the Holy Spirit is residing inside of you. Thus, let's say, if I can ask you this question, a different way.
Speaker 3:If Jesus is the Holy Spirit residing inside of you, how do you think you should plead? I mean, okay, so Jesus wouldn't do it, but you did it, but the Holy Spirit should. What should you do?
Speaker 1:I said you got me.
Speaker 3:Guilty. Oh, what a great idea, Mr Chase. You're going to gain some favor, and that's what he said you'll gain some favor I went in there and the judge said when I said guilty or honor as charged, he said wow, that's going to grant you some favor. Today. I'm not going to take you to Lord Buckeye, you're going to be the guy that starts the new ward of Florence.
Speaker 2:Wow, b-u-i-r-t-o-f-f-o-r-u-n-c-e, you're going to be the first new guy there Wow.
Speaker 3:And so guess what? That's crazy. You're going to be the first guy to walk in the door and then they put another guy and another guy and another guy in the. We're going to not have no racism guys. The big dude he comes in, he goes. Man, I've been staring at you for one reason I go. I know you've been staring at me and he looked like Mike Tyson, but maybe a little bigger, and I was scared of him. And he goes. You know, I'm only looking at you for one reason. The judge said that we're the first four guys that are going to open up that new part of the prison down there. And I don't want any racism. And you're supposed to be the first guy in here, are you not? I said, yeah, he told me I'm the original guy. Okay, you're the original prisoner, we're the original four. I'm a big black dude, that guy's a little Mexican, you're a little white dude and that guy's a big Indian. No racism.
Speaker 2:Are you with me? I said I'm prison's a little different. Man prison's a little different so.
Speaker 3:So that was.
Speaker 3:That's just one crazy story I was in in laying there day. I was there the third day and and it was july 4th and it was inside and I started praying and I looked around. I said gosh darn man, what on, jesus, why am I in? I thought prison was for bad guys. What am I doing here? And I guess I'm a bad guy? Okay, so I am. And I said how the heck am I going to get out of guy? Okay, so I am. And I said how the heck am I going to get out of this messy life I live? And I kept saying god help me, god help me. And then, and then I had this vision indoors, july 4th daytime fireworks. I'm seeing fireworks. And that's my first real and happening in right down there in florence and I thought wow this is real and I thought wow.
Speaker 3:And I kept praying help me to change my life, help me to do something different, help me to marry the right woman this try, this next try and that was the prayer became way different after the next divorce.
Speaker 3:But I said that, so so and I and I had that vision. And then and then there was this bible that somebody put next to me, I guess placed by the Gideons, and I opened it, like just wherever, and it said Psalms, I think, 116, 1 through 9. And I read it that God has a plan for you. And you knew you were in the pits of death and you prayed for me and said, oh Lord, please save me.
Speaker 1:And you saved me and I was in hell and I was going down and I was going the wrong way and please save me and.
Speaker 3:I was in hell and I was going down and I was going the wrong way and please save me. And you saved me and I just couldn't believe. I'm seeing fireworks while reading that.
Speaker 2:Everything that you were just praying, you just read in his word, and then I actually became a Gideon later, before I screwed up worse, before I screwed up worse. Well, let's go back to college. Okay, back to college. So how?
Speaker 3:was college. College was a wonderful thing. It was. It was a beautiful thing I I met my first, my well, the first person I ever said are you gonna marry me? Oh wow, her name was better the core than ian from cuba oh, she was beautiful. Yeah, when I when I got in my first car wreck doing over 100 miles an hour, but I beat the mach one. I had a 289, beautiful, it's like a like, built like a like my brother's made it like a race car yeah, and, and the four um wheels were like they hugged the road same size?
Speaker 1:what do you call it? You can explain that sway bar, I can go through fountain blue boulevard like this.
Speaker 2:There's palm trees everywhere. We do not recommend you do that.
Speaker 3:But I won the race, but I went around in circles when the, when, the, when the truck and the and the trailer with all the m in circles when the, when the, when the truck and the and the trailer, with all the mowers and all the people that were right, oh man they pulled out and I couldn't get around him and I couldn't get back and I caught the median going around in circles, took all four wheels off and went spinning and didn't hit one palm tree.
Speaker 3:But I was looking backwards we didn't have. And then the mock one passed me and looked at me and he was my friend from college. So we called my girlfriend in school and said we're in a car wreck and your dad, the owner of miami automobile down there, helped me and get this toad out of here before I get the cops after me, whatever which we did, and so I don't know how I got through that.
Speaker 3:But I had to go to work at the florida international university rathskeller, the school bar, so I'm working playing on the golf team and I have to get good grades to keep my scholarship and I got the penthouse. So that was the only problem is that.
Speaker 1:How do?
Speaker 3:you get your car fixed without your dad knowing you did that and later, years later, I told him the truth.
Speaker 1:But I wasn't going to tell him. Then I had to get through my thing, how was your golf in college? Great?
Speaker 3:Went thing. And then you know how was your golf in college? Great, no, I yeah. When tournaments. I won a lot of little tournaments, but I never won the ncaa championship or anything like that. But I won enough where I got to play golf all the time and I got to be number one or two on the team and I got to play against the best teams in the nation.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we got to travel all the time and compete at the best golf courses and just beer partying was beer, beer, beer, beer, beer, beer. A lot of guys were doing cocaine and they were doing yeah, dude, it's the eighties.
Speaker 2:Bro, back then a lot, but I would have my. You're in Florida in the eighties. I was cocaine capital of the world, a hundred percent, a hundred.
Speaker 3:But I was committed at that point, committed to golf and and we'd have a lot of um that, the, the um, better the gordon ian, that girl was a beauty queen and she was very amazing in disco, world disco and disco dancing.
Speaker 2:So we did a lot of dancing and a lot of well, I heard you say that her dad owned miami miami auto, so it's like, oh, she got a little bit of money yeah, yeah, so it was a there was a good you were. You were walking in favor.
Speaker 3:Walking in great in favor Favor, but I but I knew I went and got that golf career myself. I busted it so I didn't feel like I was blessed, like like some people in the world of golf admittedly grow up in a golf house where they have course every day and they like it's what.
Speaker 2:It's what we do it's what we do. Yeah, it's that wasn't yours no, mine was. I had to my dad, you were gonna do it, you had to make it happen.
Speaker 3:I made sure. I made sure that was my life in my career I made really really, really, really, really, really sure wow so discipline, you discipline yourself than anybody I ever wow in my life in golf, even at night, I'd sneak on golf courses and practice in dark. Get houses behind you with lights so you could see the lighting, so you could see the green.
Speaker 2:So you could practice on the way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I had to ride my bike with my golf clubs on my shoulders for many miles to get to the golf course every day and that was a privilege that I was granted because I proved I could do it. But the car hit me and I didn't tell my parents that the car hit me and I was out in the middle of the street picking up clubs.
Speaker 3:The guy wanted to call the cops because I was a mess, I was bleeding and my privilege would have gone away. So I made sure I didn't tell my parents, the people at the pro step, when I snuck through the Orange Grove rolling my bike. That wouldn't work anymore because it was all bent up because of a car crash.
Speaker 3:He wanted to call the ambulance because I was in bad shape and he went to a house next down, closest house. I'm going to call an ambulance. And he went that way and I took the bike and my clubs and snuck through the orange grove, figured out a way to get to the golf course. That's how bad I wanted to be.
Speaker 3:I was going to play golf for a living I needed the privilege of riding my bike with my golf clubs to get to the course, and if I lost that, then how am I going to get to the golf course? Would become the problem again. So I didn't tell them, so they fixed my bike for me. I practice golf. They've got me a long-sleeve golf shirt for a kid and long pants for a kid because I was bleeding.
Speaker 1:I was a mess.
Speaker 3:And I went home and hid my bike over there, where nobody ever goes, and then I just kept doing that and then it wasn't until I was years later that I told them that story. And then, yeah, but I would have. The best thing in my life when I was a kid is when my dad bought me a locker where I could keep the clubs at the golf course.
Speaker 2:I didn't have to be all worn out yeah it's a lot carrying them clubs and riding a bike man crazy. That's how bad I wanted it.
Speaker 1:The house we just moved into has a free pitch and putt course, but they're overseeing right now to August, so come August, free golf, baby, we're out there, can't wait. No driving, just a pitch and putt course.
Speaker 3:That's perfect. That's the part of all our games that needs working.
Speaker 1:I can drive it, but I can't short game man. I look forward to that man Wow.
Speaker 2:So what'd you do after you graduated college?
Speaker 3:So college? All of a sudden I'm. I'm playing golf on the you're?
Speaker 2:you're an amateur quote unquote while you're in college, right?
Speaker 3:You're an amateur, yeah, and then and then um you graduate.
Speaker 2:Now you can go pro.
Speaker 3:The Mustang fixed so we drove to Miami, florida. My roommate, I had a roommate, we both had the penthouse. He had one half of the penthouse, I had the other. So we drove together to Pinehurst, north Carolina, where they were going to have the United States.
Speaker 2:Amateur Championship.
Speaker 3:So we drove there preparing, lived at Mid Pines for a couple of weeks with a guy named Joe Schumer who had graduated a year earlier than us from Florida International University. So all of a sudden we're there practicing on those golf courses, just in case. When we got to Arizona we were able to qualify.
Speaker 3:The top two players in each state would get to qualify for the United States Amateur Championship at Piners. So we practiced in case we would qualify. So we spent a few weeks, two and a half weeks, practicing there and then we drove to Arizona.
Speaker 1:At.
Speaker 3:Pinehurst. At Pinehurst, really At the mid-Pines, you can look at the mid-side resort. So we did that and then we drove all the way to Phoenix.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 3:I drove minimum 100 miles an hour the whole way and never got one ticket. I knew I would get a ticket, but I thought then I would make some excuse that I was testing the car out whenever I made my first ticket. But man, we did it and you can stay when you're driving 100 miles an hour, at least 120, sometimes you've got the speed it's buried past 120, and you're wide awake and then pretty soon you're kind of falling asleep and you notice you're only going 95.
Speaker 1:And there you've got to wide awake again. Oh my God, Kent, that was crazy.
Speaker 3:So anyway got home qualified for it.
Speaker 1:You might have a problem with driving fast bud. I would have been that, yeah.
Speaker 3:So I qualified for the US Amateur.
Speaker 2:Really Wow.
Speaker 3:And all of a sudden, my dad. One of my favorite trips of my life is my dad came with me to the United States Amateur Championship. We lived at Pinders, for I can't remember how long it was, but it was but it was over a week that we stayed there together and he watched me play in the united states amateur championship, dude, and that's what year was that? That would have been 19, probably 80. I'm gonna say probably 1980.
Speaker 1:So yeah, might have been 79 or 80, yeah, so so there I am back with the, with the greats man, arnold palmer bro became my good friend.
Speaker 2:One of the greatest influences in my life and also in my testimony when we get there.
Speaker 3:that's a major testimony, huge influence on my life and my shot-making skills and all kinds of things and how he took to me because we're both small and can do crazy things with the ball. And he loved me because I could hit it really far and I knew how to curve it one way or another. And he loved me because I could hit it really far and I knew how to curve it one way or another, spin it differently than other people like him and carve it around trees and trees.
Speaker 1:That's an art man. Yeah, it's an art. It's an art.
Speaker 3:So we developed a friendship and it was actually a tough day when he died.
Speaker 2:Payne Stewart became a really good friend of mine. I know him, yeah, and I remember we were friends.
Speaker 3:We played the Asian tour together. You guys were friends. Yeah, we played the Asian tour together.
Speaker 1:Payne Stewart was one of my favorite golfers. Man, he's just my favorite person. He was the only one who dressed different than everybody else. Because he could, because he was better than everybody else.
Speaker 3:When he was young, before you met him that way. He was really cocky and a lot of people were afraid of him because he knew he was better than everybody else. But the thing that I knew was he was better than everybody else, so it's okay and I got to be his friend. It was cool hanging with people like a flat plate. He's like this dude's a badass man. I loved hanging with him. I loved that he could be my friend and staying over in the hotel room together.
Speaker 3:A few times and living overseas Come on. And then him coming home from from when we were in asia one of the weeks I think it was right after, maybe, the hong kong open championship we he flew off to australia and and I can't remember if I flew off to jakarta, indonesia, or kuala lumpur, malaysia, playing the net national the national, like the us, open for each country yeah, so. So he came back with a girl named Tracy from Australia.
Speaker 2:Wow, that was Tracy, tracy, that was Tracy, his wife, wow, and he was wearing this bracelet WWJD.
Speaker 3:And I said hey, stuart, what would Jesus do? Bracelet doing on your arm? He said I found Jesus. I said you are.
Speaker 2:Wow Tracy.
Speaker 3:And then he talked about Tracy and how he went to Australia and found her met her and was going to get married. The family's here and here. He was playing in the India Open in the country of India and he won. And I thought, man, you're still chewing that gum fast, You're still walking fast and talking fast and pumping your fists. You're still just as prideful as you ever were.
Speaker 3:He goes. You know what, if I walk slow and slump my shoulders and walk like you guys are thinking, that's what called humble is I don't play very good. But if I walk tall and know that I've got a gift and if I pump my fists, it pumps me up and I play good golf. I don't think that's pride. I think it's helping me win tournaments and it's confidence.
Speaker 3:And I think I said man, so that's okay, so I can be like that. He goes man, be who you are. God doesn't want you to change who you are.
Speaker 2:That's right, buddy.
Speaker 3:And.
Speaker 1:I said, wow, you're cool, you know, and that was a big influence, so he asked me influence the seeds that are planted along the way.
Speaker 2:Those are seeds Payne Stewart planted a seed into you about God when you were on that tour, wow.
Speaker 3:When my wife was dying, when my what I'm going to get to a story that the one I've been calling my first wife was actually my second wife and it's something that took me down big. But the one I've always called my first wife is actually my second wife, but she was the one I wanted when I was a little kid. This is a long story, but when she actually went to heaven, tracy stewart pain's wife he was already in heaven was a big influence on helping us raise money for lots of medical costs that our insurance didn't cover, trying to save my wife during her seven-year battle with her cancer.
Speaker 2:Damn dude so.
Speaker 3:Tracy Stewart was a major influence in our life. The Stewart family is a major influence in our life. What a difference.
Speaker 2:And there's quite a few. I've watched documentaries and I've watched all kinds of things about them and their life and the difference they made in people's lives. Man, it's just yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, the reason I got to meet him at first is because the scholarship that I took to Florida International University Division II school Everybody wants to go to a division division one school, yeah, but the coach, bobby shave. The coach explained to me you're going to be the number one or two player on the team. You and billy may, bill may.
Speaker 3:Where there's a will, there's a may the winner of the junior orange bowl championship, major him and you're going to be playing against centenary. And how, sutton, that's one of the people, wow. So you'll be one or two, you'll be paired with him and you'll be people Wow so you'll be one or two. You'll be paired with him and you'll be playing against Southern Methodist. You'll be one or two. You'll be playing with Payne Stewart all the time. Universe, Houston, Fred Couples You're going to be paired. Are you kidding me? No, no, that's how I got to be friends with all those guys.
Speaker 2:So you're going to, if I had gone to Division. I. You wouldn't have been one or two, you would have been three four, five or George Fotel Arizona.
Speaker 3:State University, I could have been on the bench and hoping I can qualify, each week trying to qualify to see if I can get into the starting five. But they were already national champions so I could get on their team potentially, but they already had the best team in the nation, so odds are I'd be sitting on the bench but I could say I'm at ASU as a player, but I wouldn't be competing.
Speaker 2:So it was a big, so you had different when you graduated. You had different options. You could have went, but you're like I want to play. This is where I get to play against these guys.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 3:I told Bobby Shapes I get to play number one or two. So I always get to be paired with guys and get to travel and I said what the heck? And then people are going to know me because then I know them, and then we end up playing golfer, living in different places together around the world and all of a sudden life became this crazy awesome traveling and golfing and drinking, and playing and partying, and playing and partying, and they give you a lot of party favor. Oh yeah, so that's a problem. What do?
Speaker 2:you mean Well, favors, and this is the we're going to. What do you mean?
Speaker 3:I think, first I should go. I don't know where I should go. First Because I could go with my first wife that I now am admitting. First, because I could go with my first wife that I now am admitting. There's been four wives, I've always claimed three. It took me until dream center to realize the the root of the problem. Yeah, okay, because there was this root of the problem the whole time. I came home from asia and I needed a woman. Really bad and and part of the party favors over there is it's women professional athlete is part of the.
Speaker 2:Yeah, here you go it's here you yeah, it's crazy. It's real, buddy. It's crazy.
Speaker 3:Real human trafficking is a real thing whatever parties you want, whatever you want to do, whatever you want is just there, it's hard you know. So then you come home, but you want a real life and a real person and a real yeah I wanted to marry somebody and over there man, take me home and marry me please. I party, I take care of you, I make you very happy.
Speaker 3:You bring me america, I make you happy I promise no problem for you, just bring me there. I mean, maybe we only stay married short time, but I make you very happy and that's you know. So whatever that means, you can only imagine. So you end up. So I met this woman that was. When you say come home, you meant Arizona or Florida.
Speaker 2:No, no, yeah, yeah, marry him and bring him to America so they can get a green card.
Speaker 1:Well, no, no, yeah, marry them and bring them to america, well, back, so they can get a green card. When I we said, when he came back from asia, he came home, I was wondering if it was well or florida that's another problem is better.
Speaker 3:When I left florida, we didn't have cell phones. Yeah, I said bye, I'll, I'll. I don't know how we're gonna stay in contact, but I'll. There was no such thing as cell phones I'll call the school so you didn't work there anymore. I called called the parents. They didn't speak English.
Speaker 1:I called zero.
Speaker 3:And there was no way I left and there was a lot of tears and all of a sudden I never had that hurt. Oh, wow, and I was just gone and it was done, and then I'm in Asia, and then I'm wherever doing everything, just playing golf.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man.
Speaker 3:So a lot of traveling. Then my friend said man, I've got this girl you need to meet, you're going to love her. She's gorgeous, hair is down to her belt. I mean it's beautiful. And I met her and she was gorgeous, and she was beautiful and she was a Southern Baptist beautiful thing. And I could be straight and narrow and the whole.
Speaker 1:Thing.
Speaker 3:Straight and narrow and the whole thing Straight and narrow.
Speaker 2:You're supposed to walk the straight, and narrow and that's really hard.
Speaker 3:It really is. And her name's Deanna and I truly know in my heart I loved her and we got married and I was trying to become a really good Baptist church and this was your actual first wife, or it was my actual first wife, okay, so and I never have told this story till till today.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've said it at the soup kitchen a first time, because I give my testimony a lot there and and then somehow, at the dream center, my heart is then the girl I was in love with that I forgot to tell you about in high school, joanne Martinez. It was my sophomore year of high school and I'm sitting there in the stands excuse me, my freshman year of high school and the first football game. My brother had a driver's license, I didn't. I was a kid, I was only a freshman. And there we are, sitting in the stadium and there's this gorgeous girl out there and she was the cheerleader and she was so fine looking.
Speaker 3:I said to my brother my gosh, that's the one I'm gonna marry. He goes yeah, good luck I go no, I'm gonna marry that one oh, wow she goes. Yeah, you're not even gonna meet her, she's too you know, whatever, and I thought, man, next football game, that's what I was.
Speaker 3:Look, I didn't even care about the game as much as wow, she is so fine. And then that became a thing every game and then I thought, man, if I could ever meet her, that'd be really amazing. Year number two, day one, typing class the biology teacher let us out early so we could find our classes at coronado high school here in south scottsdale. Yeah, no, coronado dons. Okay, so so he let us go early to find our classes and I typing. I don't know why I was in a typing class, but here I had to go to typing class and I walk in the room early and there's this girl in the front row on the front left, and it was her that's her.
Speaker 3:Gosh, my gosh, that's the girl.
Speaker 3:That's her I could go sit by her and I thought, man, that's so scary, I was so shy, I didn't know what to do. So it's so scary, I was so shy, I didn't know what to do. So I thought, wow, what do I do here? And I thought, darn. And then more people started coming in and then I'm like gosh, dang man, what do I do? And then more people came in and I thought the boys are all going back there. I need to probably go over there. I thought, my gosh, I better just do this. And I went and sat right, doggone, right by her and I didn't say a word, just sat there and then people got there and I looked straight ahead just nothing, you know.
Speaker 3:And then the teacher walks in. He goes hi, my name is Art Berger, I'll be your typing teacher this year, and wherever you're sitting right now will be your assigned seating for the year. And blah, blah, blah, blah, I go wow, my assigned seating for the year. I will know her.
Speaker 3:And I just kept looking straight ahead and about a week later she goes. She finally acknowledged me and said how does a boy type better than a girl? And I said I don't type very good. She goes well. I'm noticing you're way better than me, I go well. My mom's good at typing and I guess I learned a little bit.
Speaker 1:But I'm not a typer.
Speaker 3:Can you help me and I go, whatever? Yeah, and so we ended up walking to the park that day and had a lunch, and then we started walking every single day and we became best friends. My gosh, we were in love. We were in kid love no sex, nothing like that but we were in love, yeah and that's what, that's the good stuff, right?
Speaker 3:well, wait till you get to where that gets wait till you hear where I'm gonna go with this. My gosh, she is gonna be my wife one day, but hold on. So I'm with her, loving her in deep, and I start talking marriage. Man, we're getting married. And she's saying yes, we are, yes, we are, yes, we are, yes, we are one day in high school and this is now my sophomore year of sophomore year.
Speaker 2:You're like 17, probably 16, 15, but I knew there's nobody like this one.
Speaker 3:Wow, I knew it, wow. And I kept saying we're going to get married. And so then she goes. Then, late in the school year, this basketball star comes into the room and directly to me, the typing class, and says dude, back off my girlfriend, man, I go. What do you mean? Back off your girlfriend? I told you. Back off my girlfriend, I go. Do you mean back off your girlfriend? Bags?
Speaker 3:told you, back off my girlfriend I go I don't even know you, I've never seen you around here. Well, they transfer me back in here. She's my girlfriend, man, she's been my girlfriend for several years and I'm asking you back off. I go. I didn't do anything. All we do is walk and we're just friends. Well, back off, man, and I go. What do you want me to do? Change seats, seats? I go, the teacher won't let us. I'm stuck in this tear. This is my assigned seating for the year. Well, back off, I don't want to see this, you know. And they become homecoming and queen and queen, and the whole.
Speaker 1:Thing.
Speaker 3:And he's a basketball star and I'm some dumb golfer and that was pretty much ball game. So I was afraid of him and I backed off he. So I was afraid of him and I backed off.
Speaker 3:He's in heaven now. She's in heaven now. Long story, oh wow, this gets deep. So I backed off and that was it. And then I hated backing off because I was in love more than lust. I was totally knowing that was the one. Yeah, yeah, and then so, then the next year and the next year, high in the hallway, whatever that was that. That was that Then, that was that then. And I do my thing, I go off to. We graduate together. Hi, wow, congratulations. Yeah, yeah, she's with that dude, wow. So years later, in the Phoenix Open Golf Championship, I'm standing there on the putting green practicing, preparing for the first round of the Phoenix Open.
Speaker 3:Wow and there's only three people on the green Jack Nicklaus, greg Norman and me.
Speaker 2:Shut up.
Speaker 3:And it's a round. The reason I tell you this is because there's spectators like crazy when those people are playing. And so there had been an article in the newspaper that it was Nicklaus' final year at the Phoenix Open and Greg Norman's final year at the Phoenix Open. And the local hero Kent Chase is here back in Arizona.
Speaker 3:And whatever he wrote Kent Chase's here this back in Arizona, and whatever that meant. That's why she was there. When I told my caddy that girl there in the pink, that's the one I was going to marry, that's the one I've been in love with all my years, oh, that's the one. And I'm telling you the story because her dad had read the newspaper article and told her to go find me at the golf course. Wow, at the Phoenix open. I didn't know this, but there she is, spectator watching, and I said my gosh that's her.
Speaker 2:I said don't stare at her. That's her. That's the one Staring at them gives it away. Don't look at them.
Speaker 3:That is the one I always wanted. I've thought about it all these years. That's the one. What?
Speaker 1:is she doing?
Speaker 3:here, wow, and I'm making every putt on the green. It's 20-footer, 30 footer, 30 footer backing up. Everything goes in, no matter where I go. And I'm doing it for her showing off. And there's and that's what I was doing prideful thing, I'm showing off for the girl. I always wanted go to the first tee. It's my turn, hit it so pure, but in the left trees and I go.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's scary in front of that many people sometimes yeah, yeah, but I struggle hitting from a guy behind me, so I bomb it beautiful, gorgeous ball flight.
Speaker 3:But it ended up in the left trees and I go to my ball and there's a lot of spectators there. But she's right there by my ball. Wow, I said, joanne martinez, what are you doing here? And she goes. I came to watch you. I go. How in the world did you know I'm here? What do you mean by that? And she goes. Because there was this newspaper article. That's how I found out about the newspaper article I. I said but I thought you married the guy. I did, but we're divorced. That's long over. I go, you have got to be kidding me. Wow, and she goes. No, I said are you here all day? And she goes. I'm here all day to watch you. I go, come on, I go watch this shot. I got a hit. And I hit this perfect golf shot. True story.
Speaker 2:I said those words.
Speaker 3:I hit this amazing curve it around the thing, okay, and then I go. So you're here all day, so we're having dinner tonight. She goes yes, we're having dinner.
Speaker 2:I said wow.
Speaker 3:Wait this gets deep. So I sat there at dinner and I said my gosh. And she said you know, why didn't you fight for me? Back then I said because I was scared of him.
Speaker 2:He was a basketball star.
Speaker 1:He was going to beat me up and he was a star.
Speaker 3:I mean you got to be football, baseball or basketball and I was just some dumb thing called golf. And she goes. But you're not some dumb thing called golf and he never made it. So I go well but he was the star and she goes well. But I always wanted you, but you didn't push, you didn't push. I said, because I was want to marry you. But there's a really, really, really, really, really big problem. And she goes what's the problem? I said I'm married.
Speaker 3:Oh, this is my problem this is something I'm about to tell you that I've lived with all those years. So I went home and then I said to my wife you know, we're doing this perfect Christian Southern Baptist lifestyle and it includes no the pill, no this, no that, and and and I just I am so scared I'm going to commit adultery If we don't start being more physically. I hate to say this, but it's the truth.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, this is real. I need, I need, I got some needs honey, it's real, buddy Hold on a second Hold on a second.
Speaker 1:You were on a putting green with Jack Nicklaus and Greg Norman.
Speaker 3:And there she is.
Speaker 1:You just blew right past that. You didn't pay that no attention. No mind, you were fixated on a girl. And you were putting with two of the greatest golfers that have ever played the game and you could care less.
Speaker 2:You were worried about Joanna Martinez. I was showing off her first true story.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you just blew right past it. I'm like hold on a second man. You were playing with Jack Nicklaus and the shark.
Speaker 3:Greg Norman, but you don't think that way when you're playing you don't Love, I know Love.
Speaker 2:I just wanted to give you a hard time because those were two of the greatest golfers ever and you just blew right by it yeah, all I could see was her, amen, brother amen oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:And the whole way around.
Speaker 2:I'm showing off for her so all day long on that course she was because you'd hit a shot and everybody.
Speaker 3:I walked down those, I walked she's so cool, buddy, I wasn't one of those guys that's so cool, I need to walk with. I was always the one that would talk to the spectators and be a part of them. I would never go hide over there and yeah, you're a man of the people. I don't know how to be anything as good can't, but it'd be but that becomes something later where I'm going to get to eventually this crazy what god had a plan with this golf thing yeah, bro, yeah so so I wasn't.
Speaker 3:I kept telling her I'm going to start, I know I'm going to so the the first wife, the the good wonderful.
Speaker 2:What was her christian woman, deanna, okay, so you, you go home from that day and that dinner with Joanna to tell Deanna.
Speaker 3:I didn't tell her that day, but I started having adultery problems.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, you knew that this wasn't going to work.
Speaker 3:I didn't ever know I was going to get out of that relationship until I knew I could have the one I always wanted. Okay, and I never let go of always wanting her, the one that I starting my freshman year always been in your heart.
Speaker 3:Yeah and I don't know what that means to anything except man. You got to wait for the right one to come along and you got to be equally yoked and I wasn't equally yoked to this beautiful christian woman and she wasn't equally yoked to me that I was a young man needing more physical in the lifestyle, and and, and I didn't know what to do. But all I know is eventually I told Joanne, joanne Martinez- Joanne okay. I told Joanne. I said you're right, I'm going to divorce her. I can't do this thing.
Speaker 2:So I feel like I'm let me ask you this when you're with in the marriage still and you haven't really any pornography, no, no, I wasn't a porn guy. Oh amen, my good blessing that was not one of my deals.
Speaker 3:Okay, I never was a porn dude okay, but I always had a woman okay so I didn't.
Speaker 2:But you're getting frustrated, give it to me.
Speaker 1:I was very yeah, okay all right, that's real he's from that generation where that wasn't really an issue for a lot of men back then. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:We saw the Playboy magazines or Penthouse when we were kids, but it's not prevalent like it is today, yeah, today it's freaking disgusting.
Speaker 1:I guarantee you, 98% of people under the age of 20 have a problem with porn.
Speaker 3:Right Today is a day and age with porn, yeah, right, so today's, today's day and age, yeah, so I had a problem, though, that I wanted to be physically, yeah, sexually active, yeah yeah, so you're a man, it's natural man yeah, and, and I've been with around a lot of pretty women around the world and I need I just it seems like something that makes sense when you get married, that that would be a normal.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's part of it huh so and bless her heart. Wonderful person, and she is the most godly woman you've ever met and she grew up in a household where there's a lot of rules and a lot of things, and I wasn't good at the rules, and so I would have to sneak a beer or sneak this, or if you're at a restaurant.
Speaker 3:If you want a margarita, you need to put the menu so that nobody can see that you're having an alcoholic beverage, because the pastor would get up and say you know, if I had a glass of poison in this hand and a glass of beer in this hand, I wouldn't know which one to drink first, because they're both poison, and then he would explain why alcohol is grape wine, is grape juice and stuff like that. So it was a sin and I couldn't sin. So I couldn't, so I would.
Speaker 3:But that's when sneaking started had to hide it yeah, that's when the sneaking stuff starts, because then you, and then you can sneak when you're not at home, and then you can sneak, and then you're doing this, you're doing that, and then you got that hidden life. Now you know when I told her I'm divorcing her, it's killed her, and she would change right now everything. She would look more sexy and quit being too amish looking because, you needed to hide things and whatever.
Speaker 3:And I was young and I liked her looking a little more sexy and I'm not into sexy now, but I'm 67 years old but I like sexy, I look beautiful, but but I don't want to look at some other man's wife either, so I got the point yeah but, but, but gosh. Then I, then I divorced her and then I was with joanne and then we were going to get married and and we did, and I never let go of how I hurt that deanna, and I hurt her deeply deeply hurt.
Speaker 1:Hurt, that's what you held. I knocked her flat man and I lived with.
Speaker 3:I got her but did that to her and I'm living with. I got my dream and now I've got kids and I'm still that.
Speaker 2:You had kids with Deanna.
Speaker 3:No, never had a child with Deanna, but.
Speaker 2:I had kids with Joanne, With Joanne okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she already had a child that I raised, starting when she was a toddler, a one-year-old, so Candace and Cassidy and Chandler. And I took Candice as my own, but she was the daughter of the basketball player yeah, the basketball player from high school, yeah, okay. So he didn't like me too much because I got his wife. It's such a crazy story but the truth is I couldn't handle what I did to Deanna to get Joanne but I love the Joanne thing and all of a sudden she's got. All of a sudden she wanted bigger breasts and she I said that's such a waste of money and I don't want to do that. And then finally she talked to me and doing we did the bigger breasts and they were beautiful and she enjoyed them for about six months before they were causing pain, which caused her to find the cancer that was deep in her left breast because it was pushing against and causing pain and the breast implants had to go.
Speaker 3:And then she was flat and all of a sudden that didn't work and staph infections and they had to take her back and put her on the front and everything. Nothing was working holy jesus yeah so that became a problem because then the staph infections, so they had to redo different surgeries and then and then they had to do a back flack and I had to pack her every single night.
Speaker 2:And I'm thinking because I did this to Joanne Holy crap, dude, because I did this to Deanna.
Speaker 3:I'm thinking I'm getting this is your punishment. Well, what was the word? I was calling it? I was calling it. You get what you get because of what you did. I was calling it.
Speaker 1:There's a word for this. What is it? Karma?
Speaker 3:Karma man. This is karma. I'm killing my wife because I dumped her, so now I'm living.
Speaker 1:Holy crap, dude.
Speaker 3:And then we got presidents of countries, because my world travels included friendships with presidents of countries Because they like to play golf good and they care about that.
Speaker 2:They want good people that can help them play golf too Well they want to run their country.
Speaker 3:But more importantly is hitting good golf shots like Donald.
Speaker 1:Trump so they let you get to meet them. You're the teacher of them, so it's real.
Speaker 3:So you got, you got. My son is saying you got presidents of countries praying for her and she keeps getting worse. And we keep listening to these beautiful songs where God answers prayers and God heals cancers. And just got to have more faith and more faith. And you need more faith healing and you need this. And then then the cancer's in her bones damn dude. Then the breast implants fall out in her lap and she has to go to the hospital, drive herself there, emergency and then they have to more scars, and this life became and my kids are okay.
Speaker 2:Seven years battle. Oh, I was gonna say man, because you, you shared all this over a minute.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is seven years seven years holy god, how long before you guys got together did this start um, she that would have been.
Speaker 3:We had probably seven years of what a great life besides my struggles with divorcing her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I wanted her but you guys were married seven years before the cancer and all that started taking place.
Speaker 3:Yeah, 21 years total. So yeah, probably 10 years yeah.
Speaker 2:Would you say that the breast implants is kind of what kicked everything off Some people say, that might have, but some people say, that Probably revealed it. It revealed it because it caused pressure, so it could have already been there. Yeah, that's what they think. It revealed it because it caused pressure.
Speaker 3:Oh, so it could have already been there. Yeah, that's what they think, oh man. So then it got to her brain. And when it got to her brain, I had bought her a limited edition Susan G Komen Mustang that was sitting there at the Race for the Cure, the decorative thing out in front.
Speaker 3:I said I want that car for my wife. It's got the pink ribbon through the pony logo. It's got the pink racing stripes, the mag wheels, the pink, the black interior with pink stitching. This, the black um um leather wheel or steering wheel pink stitching you put your cup.
Speaker 2:Here things turn pink.
Speaker 1:It was like the most I got her that car and she's eating the wheel she's eating the wheels right and left I.
Speaker 3:What the heck are you doing to these wheels? You're eating curves whenever you park. I'm not doing it when I park, I'm doing it when I drive. You're eating these wheels when you drive. Wow yeah, If a car's over there, I go right and I go.
Speaker 1:And if the car's over there.
Speaker 3:I go left because I'm dizzy Something's wrong, go check with our oncologist, something's really wrong. And we went doggone. Brain cancer, wow, and it had been metastasized and now we're doing brain cancer.
Speaker 2:And now what is this? In the early 90s?
Speaker 3:yeah two yeah, this is two, I believe. Let me think about when she died damn, she died let's see, man, it would have been 209. She died in 2009 and you guys were together for 21 years.
Speaker 2:So you, god, math, live 2099 89 88 88, you guys.
Speaker 3:Okay, so from 88 to 09 and we're living, we're central america, we're spending time in, in, in while you're golfing and traveling, she's coming. She's coming a lot of the time, so are my children. Yeah, so we ended up being the founders of the Central American and American Junior Golf Exchange Program together. So we're hanging out with the presidents of countries there Did she golf All the political figures. She loved golf.
Speaker 2:She was not a pro, but through me, but she loved golf, she loved golf. And there's something you guys bonded to Totally, totally, oh, man dude.
Speaker 3:So yeah, so that was crazy.
Speaker 3:So we had this beautiful life and all of a sudden she's dying. And all of a sudden the oncologist said man, you know what are you doing? You're sleeping in the same room with her and when you snore with that cancer and all that brain surgeries and the gamma knife surgeries we did that causes her brain to rattle and she's had her stroke and she can't really recognize you anymore. And you're in the room with her because you love her, but you're snoring, you're keeping her awake and she needs to rest. What are you doing? Can't you sleep in the other?
Speaker 1:room or something which I did.
Speaker 3:And then you're sleeping in the other room and no, I didn't do porn, but you're watching clint eastwood movies and you're doing that and you're like my gosh, I need to be, I need to be doing something like drinking heavily and you know whatever.
Speaker 1:And then you got some friends that are coming over and partying and they got cocaine or something and of course you do that too, and you're escape, keep me escape, get me out of the mess I'm in, and then you live in and then you go to.
Speaker 3:you don't remember going to bed because you just fall asleep every single night and then you get up in the morning with the shakes and you're shaking like a leaf.
Speaker 2:Got to drink again, and then you got to get some more alcohol in you real quick and then Now I'm all right.
Speaker 3:Well, it took eight beers to get me to be okay. Now I can think.
Speaker 1:So you were drinking a lot, a real lot.
Speaker 3:Wow, you're drinking a lot, a real lot Wow.
Speaker 1:A real lot.
Speaker 3:And then you have to hide it with coffee.
Speaker 2:Just beer.
Speaker 3:No, I would do vodka at night, but beer before I started my day. Okay, and I knew how to have a cooler back here.
Speaker 2:You'd watch Dad. Well, he never did the drinking and driving thing, at least I don't know. Okay, if he did, he was good at it and I knew he came home. And if he ever got caught, they were easy back then.
Speaker 3:Okay, it was different back then, but I had the cooler back here full of new ones and the cooler here where I could push a beer can and put it there with a jacket over it, and I always had the 24-ounce thing like that where you could at the next place. You could unscrew it pour a whole beer in there and it would knock over the top.
Speaker 2:Screw that back on. Got the straw, he's ready. Dude, I love you and you got the coffee over here and then and then.
Speaker 3:And then you don't have beer breaths, just in case. And and then you get your third super extreme dui in the morning at 8 30 and that doesn't work out too good when you're going to shoot a commercial where you're the star of it and they're wondering where you are oh man and it took four cops and a helicopter to pull you over and they got the guns on you. Oh wow. And then you go to jail and they call your third wife and say you're.
Speaker 2:Your third wife.
Speaker 3:Right after the first, yeah. So after Joanne, and then I wanted, then I needed somebody really bad.
Speaker 2:Okay, and.
Speaker 3:I dated everybody I ever used to know, and then whoever people would set me up with. And then one guy said man got this woman that you're going to just fall in love with. So bad man, you're going to fall in lust love and I go what the heck are you talking about? She is so fine, wait till you see her. I go. No, what the heck Are you serious? He go, yeah, but you got to go to a concert to meet her and you're going to be like in the second row, and she's the star, what really?
Speaker 3:and I go what kind of, what kind of? What does she do? She's an opera star. I go, I don't do opera, but you won't care when you see her. I go, okay, I'll go, and I went, and there I went and there she was, and she was so fine. I'm from mexico city, somehow.
Speaker 2:These latinas, bro. Latinas, just got you bro. I'm from Mexico city, somehow. He's like Tina's bro. Tina's just got you, bro, somehow.
Speaker 3:Gosh, they brought her when she got and she's like where I carry seven octaves and then she's on the piano going nuts and everything, and she's dressed sexy and hot and fine, and the voice and the thing and the wow. And they brought her down to me Cause she already knew she was going to meet the golf pro. I didn't know they had it totally set up and I said my gosh, I never heard music like that before. And she goes, I never met that golf pro before I go. Well, then, this is perfect, let's go have dinner. She goes, let's do this.
Speaker 2:And I said wow so how old are you at this time?
Speaker 3:oh my, gosh, that's not been. That's just before you started meeting me in the Teen Challenge.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow.
Speaker 3:What am I then? 40, late 40s, no 55, 53.
Speaker 2:So this is just after this is 2010s, 2010s.
Speaker 3:Joanne is gone in 2010,. Up in heaven. By the way, the president of Honduras was our special guest speaker and the oncologist came and spoke at her funeral. Wow, the church was 2,500, full standing room only.
Speaker 2:It tells a lot about somebody, about how their celebration of life or their remembrances and I only say that because that's how many people were pulling for her to make it and the miracle that she needed and the whole thing that never occurred.
Speaker 3:And that's when my son and me totally lost our faith.
Speaker 2:See, because we deal with a lot of people, man and God heals people in different ways, right, he can heal them right there in that moment, he can heal them later, or he heals them when he brings them home.
Speaker 1:There's three ways God heals people.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Miraculously. Medicine and death. Yeah, death is a healing Well.
Speaker 3:so death do us part. And when I get to the end of this story, which is the new beginning, you'll see why I'm 100 million percent believer.
Speaker 2:And when God really came into my life giving it all. So at this point, when Joanne goes to be with the king, this is where your kids and you basically F you Two of my two daughtersace and cassidy, did pretty good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they held strong. We had a beautiful house. There was a lot of parties. If you wanted a party, it was my house okay a lot of parties happened to my I mean big house like the kids.
Speaker 2:The kids would bring their friends.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, and I and anybody that was struggling in life come and live in my house. I got no, why come here? I plenty of rooms. It's a two-story house. We got a basketball court. We got a golf hole that's 50 yards of the sand trap. We got a pool with a water feature. We got the Ramada, we got the bar back there.
Speaker 2:Don't be over next week, bud.
Speaker 3:I love you, dude, if you would imagine what a Michael Jordan house would be like, or Tiger Woods or anybody that you can think of that's living the lifestyle of the rich and famous that have maybe too much money. You have some pretty nice stuff, oh yeah. And so we had a perfect party house. You said earlier that, but that was soon to go away.
Speaker 1:You said Mason, the third extreme, dui, so when would the first two happen?
Speaker 3:They were at night, they were midnight type, while you were still married to. Joanne.
Speaker 1:No, I never got a.
Speaker 3:DUI until after All. My troubles started after.
Speaker 1:Okay, so she passed away. You just nose dived. You took a deep dive Because I actually saw no, or you started to nose dive while she was sick.
Speaker 3:While she was sick. While she was sick, I started losing purpose in life. Yeah, I had no what?
Speaker 1:the heck does god? Who cares stupid? Why am I?
Speaker 3:working so hard? Why am I practicing so hard? What the heck? I only did this for her yeah, we go to we used to go to. We traveled a lot we went to some crazy, amazing, awesome fun because we didn't money wasn't the thing it wasn't, it didn't matter. We got to do whatever we wanted and people paid for us to go to this country or that country.
Speaker 1:It was stupid.
Speaker 3:So we had this and all of a sudden, without her and when she was dying, I didn't see any, what am I going to do this with? And I had no reason. Wow. And the no reason became who's next on the wife thing? And that's when I married Marcella, who was a wonderful person, but she was the opposite of the first marriage and I couldn't stay with her.
Speaker 3:I couldn't stay up on that so that was a hard thing too. That would be a really long story. I don't want to hurt her, but she was very active and I couldn't stay up with that or with other people and things and wow so that became a problem.
Speaker 3:so drinking became really easy and sleep in the other room and do whatever I want. And then when they called her at 8.30 am and said your husband's in jail and we got his car locked up in the impound, oh, from when you hit the median and were spinning no, that was Florida.
Speaker 2:That was Florida, okay.
Speaker 3:And she goes no, he's in the other room. Because he sleeps in the other room a lot.
Speaker 2:Well, you want to go look.
Speaker 3:No he's in he his car's impounded.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And she goes. Well, I don't think so. His car's in the garage and I go, and they go. Your husband has a very unique BMW, true or false? True, well, that's what's in the in-pilot, yeah. So she said, wow, let me look in the garage, and my car wasn't there.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Wow, that is him.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 3:Sorry, buddy, sorry darling. Your husband's in pretty big trouble right now. Yeah, where did she?
Speaker 2:get mad Divorced me.
Speaker 3:Oh wow, dad divorced me. That's the last time I ever saw her. Really, is that I don't? I never saw her again, really I ended up at teen challenge.
Speaker 2:I ended up.
Speaker 3:Oh, kent, yeah, wow, this was 2013 14, 14 yeah, my years get mixed up.
Speaker 2:15 uh, I was there 14, 15 and I left in 16 and back in 20. So you were there for three years. I was there 14 and 15. It's a long program, bud 13 and a half months Especially for him, I did a couple different ones.
Speaker 1:Well, me too. So yeah, If it's a 13-month program, he'll do it in 24.
Speaker 2:I'll do mine in 20. Wow yeah, so God has to work a long time on a special one.
Speaker 1:He's a little slow, yeah, wow, okay, so, yeah. So so you get arrested and part of your release was that you had to go to team challenge, or how did that work?
Speaker 3:somehow that all worked out, where I had a lot of court hearings and this and that and my parents felt it best they got involved and my brothers got involved.
Speaker 1:Because by that time it's a felon. It's a felony.
Speaker 3:Yeah, triple extremes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:My first time in prison was DUI Was it super extreme. It was well, that was 93. It was just an extreme DUI.
Speaker 3:So mine was like I blew a three-point something Mine was a DUI, because I had no.
Speaker 1:Mine was extreme because I did it with a suspended license. So I had a suspended driver's license and had a DUI. I had two DUIs within like a year.
Speaker 3:So at 8.30 in the morning somehow it doesn't work out too good and I got out. I mean, they made me get out because they had armed, they were armed and yeah, they had to chase you down she chased me down, oh my, god dude your blood.
Speaker 1:Alcohol is a three point well, I was trying to pull you over.
Speaker 3:Uh, I was. No, I was looking for where I'm gonna shoot this commercial oh really and everybody was there except me. Oh Jesus, I didn't know.
Speaker 1:So you didn't know they were behind you.
Speaker 3:I couldn't find the place. All I know I don't remember going fast. I don't remember anything. I just remember getting out of the car and I remember saying I have no idea what you guys are doing here. Wow, I'm not trying to be funny, I was. I don't know what you're doing, sir. Do you see these cars all kind of lined up back there? You see the helicopter?
Speaker 2:yeah I mean we've been chasing you bud. Holy crap, dude, I don't remember.
Speaker 3:I don't know anything about how I got wherever I got how I got. I don't know, I don't remember any of it yeah, your blood.
Speaker 2:You were trash, bro your blood. Alcohol was a three pointpoint something.
Speaker 3:I probably was doing 100, I mean it was a BMW dine-in. It's like the fastest road, legal BMW.
Speaker 2:We've already covered. You're a very fast driver, Fast driver.
Speaker 1:Crazy, and it was so yeah whatever I was doing Wow.
Speaker 3:And I only say what kind of car it was, because it was a race car.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and what was I doing?
Speaker 3:I don't remember, yeah I wasn't, I'm innocent, I didn't do anything.
Speaker 1:I was keeping it between the lines.
Speaker 3:I stopped at every. No, sir, you're the funniest man we ever picked up and raced it like you are, jesus. Wow, wow. So that divorce happened while I was at at team challenge wow, yep, and that was what was that?
Speaker 2:2016?
Speaker 3:I'm really bad at years.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm really bad Around 2016,.
Speaker 2:I have to say, yeah, I think so, yeah. So let me ask you this yeah the commander graduated in 2018, and that's when I picked him up. That's when he came and lived with us. Yeah, I graduated, he was there. He wanted my watch really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, yeah, go ahead. So when you got to, did you ever get to go home before you went to Teen Challenge, or was it straight from the jail to Teen Challenge?
Speaker 3:I went from Teen Challenge. I believe I went straight to Teen Challenge.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm not even positive anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, I was just curious.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was, I was, I was. I don't. My memory of those days is so foggy.
Speaker 1:I don't blame you. You were trash dude.
Speaker 3:So I was trash starting first thing in the morning till till what made you agree to go to Teen Challenge? They told me it'd be like staying at a resort A little bit. It'll be like a vacation. It is an old hotel. It'll be like a vacation. It is an old hotel.
Speaker 1:It'll be like a beautiful vacation. And I'm like man. What do you think when you walk through the doors of teen challenge? What was, what was your thought process? Do you remember? Like, like, what the hell is this? I?
Speaker 3:remember meeting carl. Yeah, and carl was saying man, you're just like me and you're going to find Jesus here. And I said wow, and he got along with me really good. He said you know I know a lot about you and I love golf. Yeah, and I know you're a golf pro and there's another golf pro here.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And you're going to love that. There's another golf pro here and you're going to learn a lot about Jesus. Who was the other golf pro? Jeff Stoll. I don't know if you know Jeff Stoll.
Speaker 1:Sounds familiar.
Speaker 3:He was a long driver.
Speaker 1:You know world long drivers. They hit the ball far. They don't play, they do the long drive competitions.
Speaker 3:They do long drive competitions. So he was that big, huge guy that can bench 500 pounds. True story.
Speaker 1:So you were there with like Preston and Busta.
Speaker 3:Busta.
Speaker 1:And what was that? Josh White Josh.
Speaker 3:All those guys that were there, and Mark Johnson was there. I don't remember Mark Johnson, might have been just after you.
Speaker 1:Because he was there right after I think right after you were, so a lot of those guys were still there. He's still friends with a lot of those guys.
Speaker 3:I still am. I'm actually friends, tim McGuire. I don't know if you know. Tim, no, no no, so Tim officiated at my next marriage oh nice which was in Scotland. Yeah yeah, and that's a crazy story too, and that story ends bad too, and had that not occurred.
Speaker 1:So it makes sense. Before we even got on here, you were telling me what if your life started good and went bad and good and bad and good. So now I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And he talked about the ups and downs. You really did have this ebb and flow in life, man.
Speaker 3:I had this ebb and flow in life, Wow bro.
Speaker 1:I'm the only guy besides, maybe, but a lot of your life seemed like it was pretty good.
Speaker 3:There was a lot of good. My first 50 years most I don't have a lot of. I don't have bad to talk about besides the marriage and it went down in the dumps and how I committed adultery and how I hated my life because I did that, but I love that I had her and three kids and I always was weighing on me that I did that and I felt so strongly that that I am paying for divorcing her.
Speaker 1:That's why she's dying. Have you ever had a conversation with Deanna? Since your guys' divorce, not since I'm ready to now, but no, wow, no, wow.
Speaker 3:She called me on our 10-year anniversary to say this would have been our 10-year anniversary, ouch, but at some point I would more than welcome that. But I hid that for all those years that I was suffering deeply because I did that to her and this karma thing I lived with. I karma joanne to die. So I took it. I took the blame.
Speaker 3:It might be time for you to make that amends, brother well, it is, and and that's why, when I share what I'm about to share what god has done after all this, I didn't even get the rest of the story. In the rest of the story, I became a chaplain of the Paradise Valley, gideons.
Speaker 1:It was a beautiful thing being a chaplain, so let's go back to your Teen Challenge days. Let's start there first, because the Gideon thing happens after Teen Challenge, right? Well, and it's because of Teen Challenge. Okay, so let's talk about Teen Challenge a little bit, because we love Teen Challenge, teen Challenge changed my life.
Speaker 2:Man, if you are listening to this or you are watching this and you have a son or a daughter or a husband or a loved one that is struggling with addiction and is lost in life, teen Challenge, they have both men's and women's centers. They even have adolescent centers available in certain states.
Speaker 1:And it's free.
Speaker 2:They do ask you if you can pay the $100 application fee. They will ask you for other money if you can help but get your family in there.
Speaker 1:Don't let the lack of money keep you from getting in there.
Speaker 2:They'll get them in and they'll take them in and they'll love them back to life, man.
Speaker 3:They did it for me. They did it for me, they did it for me.
Speaker 1:They loved me back to life.
Speaker 2:So let's talk about a little bit of your teen challenge. Who was your intake coordinator?
Speaker 3:Carl Carl Ward, and you missed that story.
Speaker 2:I hated Carl Ward. He was such a he reminded me of my father, bro. He was a little bit of a Nazi. He reminded me of my father, but he came to me in a way different than other.
Speaker 3:He came to me. I explained it. You missed this, but when I walked in there, when I struggled in there, we all do bud, you just barely make it. He said the first thing you need to do is sign this paperwork, and I said he broke out a golf pencil.
Speaker 2:I love you, kent, he's got a golf pencil.
Speaker 3:I said this is a true story. I said I can't do it because if I do it I'm going to just tear it right through the paper. I can't sign things.
Speaker 1:I was shaking like that Shaking like a dog. Yeah, no, sign it.
Speaker 3:I said can I just have my brother sign it? He brought me here. Can I just have my brother sign it? He's the one that brought me here. No, you've got to sign it. I said I can't do it, I don't know how to do it, and he goes, but you need to do it. And then I tried to do it. He said there, you go. And then he said let's talk. And then he said I'm kind of like you, I love golf and this. You've got another golf pro in here and whatever.
Speaker 3:And this is this jeff stole, if you remember okay and, and he's a long driver, not a, not a, not the guy that plays golf for a living, but he hits the ball far for a living yeah so. So he said you're gonna like it, you're gonna learn a lot about jesus here. So I thought, okay, good, I got a friend here, so I got in the right.
Speaker 1:That helped a lot okay so the way he entered me in that's good was really helpful.
Speaker 3:And then I got six roommates and I'm like hating them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what was your detox process like for you, because you're shaking. Obviously you're going to have to go through some withdrawals.
Speaker 2:Did they have you up in the room, up in quarantine? They put me up in that quarantine room. Yeah, you were quarantined for a week. Yeah, for a couple days a week. What was that like? Actually they actually sent me to CBI Community Bridges. Yep, I did that. And then the room, and then the room.
Speaker 3:And I couldn't.
Speaker 2:Man you were really. Well, and then when I was there, they had to watch me that I wouldn't swallow my tongue because that was a problem, yeah, Jesus.
Speaker 3:So I was in a.
Speaker 1:What were your days in cbi? Like just I was the withdrawal, the withdrawal oh the withdrawals.
Speaker 3:I hated that.
Speaker 1:They put me in the because they say sometimes, if you're not in a place like that, that the withdrawing from alcohol can kill you they watched me night and day I was one of the guys they had to watch, really, and they had to put me in the special room where I got night 24 hour care.
Speaker 3:Yeah, man, yeah, but I had friends there. They all liked me, cause it's golf pro, wow, I mean some people hate you cause you're a golf pro. But then some places you end up, wow, we got a golf pro in here and they were my friend and one guy was my bodyguard, I'll protect you.
Speaker 2:They can mess with you. I got your back, bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like that, have you ever reflected on?
Speaker 2:Wow, the grace of God over your whole life. Oh yeah, no, listen, this is crazy.
Speaker 1:You said something earlier. This is crazy. That somebody told you the favor of God Favored and listening to your story, that's all. I hear Everywhere you went Favor, everywhere you went, favor was favor, Whether it was another country, whether it was withdrawal in CBI whether it was intake into Think. Challenge wherever it was. Can you see that?
Speaker 3:Do you acknowledge that I speak it, because I speak it in a way that I believe that there is a good heart in people.
Speaker 1:And if there's a true good heart, no matter how many things you do wrong, like david, and and no matter he was the apple, of god's eye, and then man, he kept I've only known you for an hour and a half, brother, and you can tell that you're a good dude yeah, so there's no.
Speaker 3:I mean good, thank you, yeah, yeah, and the same to you.
Speaker 1:But yeah, thank you, but I mean but listening to your story, I just see time and time again that the prophesied favor of god has literally followed you everywhere everywhere you went in life everywhere 100 guaranteed.
Speaker 3:Yeah, man, it gets crazy.
Speaker 2:So any, any cool encounters and teen challenge. Teen challenge, um, because there's some mighty men of god that come in there to share some really good words Snow.
Speaker 3:Peabody caring about me was a significant thing, liddell letting me know that I was going to be a good choir person when I said I said you know, and then Wayne Warner would be the story I'll tell, because he was a significant turning point to me of all significant turning points because, somehow he was. He was able to speak life into me a different way than than anybody else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, God will always use somebody to speak to you, right? So so somehow Warner was God's mouthpiece, and for some, reason I was afraid of him, Okay.
Speaker 3:And. And Eric Dale, some reason he was able to speak, oh, that was on of him. Okay. And Eric Deo, for some reason he was able to speak.
Speaker 2:Oh, that was on. Deo was in staff. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:He was working there, man, and he was tough on me.
Speaker 2:Okay, so Eric Deo told me to ask you tell him about the shot, when he wanted you to tell everybody that's watching and listening about the shot, the golf shot that knocked you out. Do you remember that?
Speaker 3:The first, thing about the golf shot and about Eric Dale. I got to say this I'm the only guy that ever built a hole of golf at Teen Challenge, the ranch.
Speaker 3:I built a hole of golf and I got in a little bit of trouble for it. Did Eric help you? No, but he made me do a um. Was he your counselor? No, but, but he made me. He made me do um. Oh, now I've been there. It's been a while since I've been there, but I had to get in front of the audience and tell what my oh, the self-evaluation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I had to do the eval, eval baby so.
Speaker 3:So I got a lot of the people on my that were staff members to agree that I could take all that old carpeting and make this green way back there by that house, around the track, and I could make a green out of the carpeting. Mark johnson could help me build the green and john humbuck could help me build the green, and I actually built a really cool green and and and built an artificial turf tee box right by the entry to the ranch, just in front of the wow yeah, it was 160 yard hole and we are all practicing and playing there, and alan solheim, the owner of ping, helped me do the.
Speaker 3:We had a grand opening for this hole and and the whole thing great, bro, and we and we were.
Speaker 2:That's great alan came down to Teen Challenge and he actually was.
Speaker 3:he would be a guest speaker for us a few times, yeah, and the whole thing. And Eric didn't know I was Dale, I call him, didn't know that I. He thought I had gone around sneakily and figured out a way to do this without anybody knowing it. So he thought I had a manipulation.
Speaker 3:I was manipulating people yeah, to get what I wanted, what you want, off thing there and I said, no, there's this vision that I have that we could have a golf thing at every team challenge around the world and we could teach these people golf. So, work hall and maybe, maybe there could be some game time thing where we could teach them a game of a lifetime called golf. There was a good good heart here.
Speaker 3:Solheim liked the idea, we built it. I didn't tell you guys everything, but I made sure that I got some people to agree that it was a good idea and we did this.
Speaker 1:And we did this, and it's an amazing thing, he goes no, you manipulated something.
Speaker 3:And then in the eval, he said what's your manipulation? What's your heart issue? What's your manipulation, what's your heart issue? I said you're calling it manipulation, I'm going to call it persuasiveness. There's manipulatory things and there's persuasive. I persuaded people, I didn't try to manipulate, yeah. And so anyway, he, we both got through it and I had to take the green down. Yeah, that was done no more waffle and everything.
Speaker 3:And then eric came to me. I'm sorry and I was so over it. I said I love you, we love each other and then years later I hit myself in the head with a golf ball he's talking about and that was a crazy thing. And I love Eric Dale and I love that whole thing because it's significant in my life that we have to go through things that are very uncomfortable to hit where we got.
Speaker 3:So I'm here showing off at the golf course hitting golf shots I put a golf shot on on on facebook instagram yeah, every day I hit a golf shot and put it out there, and so this was going to be hitting from indoors to outdoors through the door to that green way out there and it was going to be a plan perfect shot. So I had the guy was teaching hey, can you just video this thing real quick?
Speaker 3:and just zoom in when it goes out the door and lands by that red, the green and he goes that's what you were planning.
Speaker 2:It was a plan, that was the plan, a very purposeful plan so and I've hit balls out of you've done this before.
Speaker 3:I used to hit them out of the penthouse onto the golf course through the opening in the Arcadia door. I never made a mistake. You could hit the TV there or the window there but, I, made them right through there and I got them over the ledge and under the overhang and always perfect. I didn't know this was going to go wrong. So I told my little thing and hit the ball through the door. But it didn't go through the door. I shanked it.
Speaker 1:That means you hit it off the shaft and it hit the sidewall, then hit the door jam and bam it was.
Speaker 3:It was off my club and there, there, there. Probably if you'd look at it, you can read, you could actually go on his social media and watch the and you'll see him in the hospital bed with the bandages on.
Speaker 2:It was actually one of the because. So we had him set up to schedule to come in to record and we didn't feel good. So it was uh, it was uh, it was our. We had to cancel and reschedule. And we had you on reschedule and I remember contacting you're like bro, I'm in the hospital. I was like what's going on, man, you sent me the video. I'm like oh my god, dude, that is so funny. You put yourself in the hospital shooting a golf shot. Wow.
Speaker 3:And then I said to the doctor I said before you shoot me with that stuff to put the stitches in, is it okay if I ask them a question? He goes yeah. I said do you have that video? Was that caught on tape? Oh yeah, the whole thing's on tape.
Speaker 1:Great, was that caught on tape. Oh yeah, whole thing's on tape.
Speaker 3:I said you got my phone right now. Yeah, I said can I? And the doctor goes, can I see it? And then we go yeah, and he goes what I'm going to see is how you got injured. I go yeah. So he looked at it and he couldn't stop laughing. He said my gosh, this is what was this meant for. I said what are we going to put her on the Facebook and put her on Instagram?
Speaker 3:He says do it Do it, we did and it went viral 14 million views 14 million and then 2 million on Facebook, so 16 million and I don't know how much on other media things Can you imagine? And I thought and the people said don't do it, don't put her out there. That's embarrassing. Golf pros shouldn't hit bad shots like that. I go, that's my life yeah and I'm gonna go back and I'm gonna hit that shot.
Speaker 3:Perfect, you watch come on, buddy, and I went back, still with a tourniquet on my head, and did the same thing and hit the perfect shot perfect and it's like that's my life, so that became a good testimony. Yeah, and that's. That's what the true story is about that thing.
Speaker 2:Amen back to wayne warner. Wayne warner, I entered, I interrupted you with eric deo in the golf shot. How did a Wayne Warner really? How did he affect you? Or have a?
Speaker 3:Kyle Bailey shared an office or shared the offices PR.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pr yeah.
Speaker 3:And, and the way they rhymed and reasoned was somehow Able to get to my head, differently than other people, and they had wisdom Somehow. I'm sure many, many, many people have this thing called wisdom, but to me, wow, I want to hear them. And then, whatever they said, I would buy into it. And when I came back again, kyle said I knew you'd be back. How'd you know? But I listened to them. When I came back again, kyle said I knew you'd be back. How'd you know? I, you know, I, you know, and. But I listened to them and and, and they had this, and to me, wayne Warner. And then my mom when she came and visited and met him for the first time. Man, that man is gorgeous. He's like Clint Eastwood, but a Christian Clint Eastwood. He's like clint eastwood, but a christian clint eastwood. He's like the most handsome man I've ever seen. He looks like jesus, and I kept saying, thinking he does if that's what jesus is like.
Speaker 3:So anyway, if you're in your mess and you need somebody to lean on to, I started leaning on to him, yeah that's good and then kyle made sense to me and and a lot of other people made sense, but they made perfect sense, yeah, and I don't know why them.
Speaker 2:But then I would you say that you had your big breakthrough at the ranch or in induction?
Speaker 3:I would say um. The biggest breakthrough was at the ranch okay induction.
Speaker 2:I was struggling, a lot of rules. You got to do this you got to follow. Oh, didn't like the roommates. Yeah, it's a lot of the stuff you hated.
Speaker 3:And then the next roommate and he did more wrong things than the next guy, and then he did more wrong things than that guy, and then it was all about the struggling things that we all go through and we all got our own struggling things that we went through and you'd hear them all and I didn't think I was any better than anybody, but I didn't feel like fighting that.
Speaker 3:I want to tell you what I did. And then Johnny Duncan came in and then we could walk together and talk together and he was struggling, but we could talk more about Jesus instead of what we did.
Speaker 3:And so then you got him to walk with and then Jeff Stoll became a part of my life there and all of a sudden we got stuff to talk about and and we started listening. And then all of a sudden you're off to the ranch and then, and then I really became a good listener and I started actually liking it. And then, and then Mark Johnson became a roommate there and yeah, and then we could talk and we could shoot pool every night and and we love shooting pool over there and we're both good at it and Jeff Stoll's good at it, so we're good at something and and and and the golf thing, and then, and then and then and then the funny stuff, john Humbach, we'd get onto battles all the time and then, when we had to take the green down, they made him and me do it because we were enemies at that time.
Speaker 3:Now we love each other but we were enemies, we were always fighting and and he was always telling me I'm going to get to you, man, you're going to find Jesus. And you're going to find Jesus. I said I already have. No, you're going to find him the right way and whatever.
Speaker 2:So we were always no, you're going to get really saved.
Speaker 3:So we all of that. And then all those different people along the way. I hate to name names because then I'll leave some other people out yeah, that's right that'll hurt me, but but there's a lot of encounters and a lot of relationships. Yeah, yeah and then and then somehow graduating was a big thing. And then and then. Where'd you go after you graduated? What'd you do?
Speaker 2:I went to the bar that's not where you're supposed to go.
Speaker 3:Bud got in trouble got trashed, got found, got discovered and got right back to teen challenge. Wow, just like that. And they took me in. How long were you out?
Speaker 1:before you went back in, I think, a day, oh really.
Speaker 2:You didn't go to that bar across the street, did you? No, no, I went to my.
Speaker 3:I had helped my son, chandler, with a place to live, an apartment on. Greenway, and what is it?
Speaker 1:Greenway and 7th Street, maybe, okay, and there was a bar right across the street um, and I had hit and I had hit alcohol oh yeah I had hit things too, so I could get to it whenever I got out.
Speaker 3:I was bound and determined to not. I was, I was not done yeah I was trying to be good, but I that was my old terminology good and and I you weren't done, you just said it I wasn't done you weren't done yeah you got to get to a place where you're done you gotta get?
Speaker 1:I gotta ask you this because listening to your story, seems like a lot of your drinking was because of pain yeah, joanne hurt and things like that. You blamed yourself yeah yep, it seems like, even though you completed teen challenge, you never really found the healing that would allow you to not want to drink no more. Would you say that yeah?
Speaker 3:because once I graduated again, then, um, amazingly, during that second time at teen challenge, I wrote my second book. This is after covid, right? No, this is before covid before covid.
Speaker 3:Covid becomes a different type of problem for me. Okay, of the drinking thing, but before the covid thing. So I wrote another book and I told alan from ping yeah. I said this is going to be called. If I only had a mulligan part two oh wait, you're asking for another mulligan. I said no, this is the testimonies called If I Only had a Mulligan Part Two. Oh wait, you're asking for another mulligan. I said no, this is the testimonies of a lot of people that have gone through Teen Challenge and my own testimony.
Speaker 1:And he goes, oh wait a minute.
Speaker 3:Who was your mulligan? And I go well, jesus. Well then, why is that not the title of your book? Oh yeah, jesus is my mulligan. And I said I'm not afraid, I'm going to, I'm going to actually profess my faith, and Jesus is my mulligan is the title of my book.
Speaker 2:And I put it out that's great Wow.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but that's before I went down again.
Speaker 2:It happens, but it was a great thing.
Speaker 3:It was a great thing that that I was able to write that beautiful book. People love the book. Other countries people love the book Wow, book. People love the book. Other countries people love the book wow, people in in korea are thankful for the book people that I'm teaching around the world. I became known as the master teacher of golf, honored by us kids. Golf international life was good again. I was the southwest section pga teacher of the year, so I'm this honored guy golf pro actually good, I can put on the hall of fame for for the golf hall of fame.
Speaker 3:For first s for the it Fame for the Golf Hall of Fame. It's called the Southwest PGA of America. So all of a sudden, but I didn't get it because I'd been to too many bad places so I was sorry you didn't get the vote. It's kind of like Pete Rose or Michael Vick or people. So those are hurtful things that happen. So I write this beautiful book. People are loving my. I mean, it's selling beautifully around the world in India.
Speaker 3:They love my book and Central America they love this book. It's a beautiful thing. And so I'm like, um, really, really happy. And then, and then this I met this amazing woman and I decided I'm going to marry her. After I met her two days later, we're talking marriage.
Speaker 1:Was she Hispanic? Oh wow, Was she Hispanic.
Speaker 3:No, no, blonde, beautiful blonde that ass.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of Hispanic women in your life, brother. That's that ass.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and so she was beautiful and, through COVID, drinking became a real big problem because she could stay at home and do her mental health therapy sessions and so and she did, yeah, and I truly loved her. Yeah, and, and then the drinking problems started again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you guys started drinking together first her alone and the thing.
Speaker 3:And I don't want to place any blame, but if, if you're at home, you can use a cup like that and keep it full of some nice recycles or whatever, and do that in mental health therapy. On the Zoom thing Nobody knows yeah and you can do it all day every day, and that became a problem because some people aren't really good at alcohol, because they become fighters and their speech change and some people well, or anger.
Speaker 1:The problem is anger.
Speaker 3:Anger got to be a big problem of our relationship and fighting and, and and fist blowing if I mean serious punches and- oh yeah and I'm not a guy to throw punches, but I was but but punches were thrown yeah and the cops had to come one night and they took her away and and then, and then. That's the last time I ever seen her, and that was on a New Year's Day.
Speaker 2:Women can have domestic violence too, yeah.
Speaker 3:So she couldn't do alcohol at all and it didn't work out at all. I married her in a castle that was her idea in Scotland. What a great idea. So life had came back to me in a beautiful way, wow. Professing my faith, I became a Gideon international speaker, so I got to speak to many, many audiences and profess my faith of the world. Thank you, jesus, praise the Lord, for all you've done for me. I've got through it all and I've given it all to you, but I didn't know I hadn't given it all yet. That was my problem, wow, cause I hadn't given the many, many people hated me in the media because of what I did, all the things I've done.
Speaker 3:Keep going to jail or detoxes or yeah, yeah, teen challenges or whatever, and then, and then, and then you don't make it into the hall of fame yeah and then people know you're in jail again.
Speaker 2:And then they don't understand and you're still beating yourself up for deanna and I've still beaten myself up for deanna and I'm still beating myself up for Deanna.
Speaker 3:And that's why Joanne died your karma.
Speaker 2:That's what I was in my mind.
Speaker 3:And I never told my family that, never told my kids that Nobody knows that I've only recently started telling this part of this. I didn't tell anybody that I went through that pain because I didn't want anybody to know that that was my struggle.
Speaker 2:That was my deep, deep, deep secret, that killed me because.
Speaker 3:I didn't want anybody to know I was out doing adultery before I got. I didn't want anybody to know it either. I didn't want to know I divorced her, to get her, and. I divorced her to get her, and that's the truth and I could not handle that.
Speaker 1:In CR. One of the things we've learned is there's a phrase that says god cannot heal what you keep hidden. Yeah, we have to bring things to light, we got to bring it out for god god knows, are there, it's not like you're hiding them from god, you know what I mean. Yeah, but he's waiting for us to bring them into the light where he can be like okay, now we can work on now I can work with that.
Speaker 1:Now that you're admitting that and talking about that, I can now have access to that area of your life. Let's begin to heal.
Speaker 3:So I'm in India bringing God and golf to the to India, to Manipur, india. Hundreds and hundreds of people.
Speaker 1:You ever go back there again.
Speaker 3:From miles and miles around. I've gone back there several times.
Speaker 2:I feel like God is calling me there. Man, to those people, can you imagine? I went there when I was 12. They got one of the largest Hindu countries in the world.
Speaker 3:We bring Bibles.
Speaker 2:I want to go Kent.
Speaker 3:Smuggle Bibles. I have all the missionaries. Oh my God, kent, the US Kids Golf donated all the golf clubs I needed. Topgolf donated all the golf balls that I needed. Bibles get donated. I have the missionaries that accept the Bibles, the Gideon Bibles. So we take the little Bibles and we get to preach Jesus and we've got the safety of that, and they'll chop your neck off if they catch you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, they sure will.
Speaker 2:And so If you go again, I want to go with you, Kent.
Speaker 3:KentChaseGolforg. Look up the beginning of that and play the video. It shows exactly what I do. I get to hit balls, show off golf. The kids get to play golf. We're building an orphanage in India. We're building golf courses.
Speaker 1:Are you serious? Yes, you'll be a part of this. Oh my God, Bro, I guarantee you right now Kent if you want to see the hand of God move take this kid with you to india, bro, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3:I already decided that. You just, jesus, you just got me to say yes to this. So through all that, after all of that, then alcohol and then cocaine became a part of my life. For the further it became real yeah and oh, this is.
Speaker 3:And after that next divorce after divorce, number after after divorce, then death, then divorce, then this next divorce and no more money in the bank. I don't know where all the money went. Three different bank accounts, no money, no nothing. And my kid says what are we going to do, dad? I go, I don't know, because I think we're going to learn how to become homeless. And he goes really I go. There's no more money in the banks and every single friend I call says sorry, buddy, you're dug your own grave. You keep digging the same stupid grave.
Speaker 3:So, and everybody I knew on my contact list and my phone, thousands of people. They were all new that I was. They were not going to enable me anymore. And I didn't have a place to live and the family ain't going to take you no more.
Speaker 3:So you got no, nowhere to go. I go ain't nobody going to help us out, no more. And I ran out of money and the groceries. I went to the banks and they don't have any money and the lawyer needs my car. So I gave him the car to pay for the bills so we can catch the problem. And so now I don't got a car, I don't got nothing, I'm done, we're done. We don't have a way to pay bills. The house is taken, everything's gone list and everybody they already knew what year is this. This is just three years, like four years ago. Wow, three years.
Speaker 1:21, 2022, three years and four months ago on february 6th is when my daughter cassidy found me on the street somewhere under some bus bench.
Speaker 3:Wow, living amongst amongst a bunch of fentanyl addicts dead. Wow, I don't know. I they couldn't wake me up and I don't. I'm told the ambulance was coming. She was there. One of my brothers tipped her off.
Speaker 3:That they found me, I don't even know, because I wasn't coherent yeah and they and my I'm told she was, and now she's back in my life, finally, after all this time. Thank you, lord, dad. Open your eyes. Open your eyes, dad. And she was prying my eyes open and they took me to the Dream Center Because I already said I ain't going to no more anywhere. They said, man, you got to along the way. I never volunteered to go to jail. I never volunteered to go to Teen Challenge the first time or the second time. I never volunteered to go to jail again or prison. I didn't volunteer to go to anywhere. I volunteered to go to one of those places. I called it no more detox, no more, nothing. So I was done. And then I was willing to die out there in the streets because there was no purpose, zero purpose, Four wives, no more whatever. I killed Joanne Karma.
Speaker 2:That was where I was. It's just real. It's just real. It's where your mind was at this time. So my mind was in this crazy?
Speaker 3:what am I doing? And then everybody hates you. What a fool you are. Do you realize what a fool you are? The only people I did talk to? Yeah, I realize what a fool I am, but I'm just human. Well, no, you're a fool. Do you realize what you've done? Even to the name? I mean our name, the Chase name Do Do you realize what a fool? Yes, I do. In fact, everybody that lives in these kind of places realizes that they've done some foolish things.
Speaker 1:I mean. I guess you could just say we're a fool. The.
Speaker 3:Bible might say what a fool you are. Okay. So, yes, I realize it, and so does we all end up in a bad place. I think we realize we did stupid things, got it. Okay, call me a fool, then Just keep doing it, that's fine. But then somehow they let me detox in a wheelchair. I woke up in a wheelchair at the dream center and I'm told I, and I kind of remember saying what am I doing alive? But they tell me the first words out of my mouth or what am I doing?
Speaker 2:And then damn you're ready to think that you?
Speaker 1:were. You were ready, damn, Subconsciously trying to kill yourself. Yeah, cause I didn't want to, I didn't want to face anybody. Really, you were done. I was done because well can you imagine?
Speaker 3:Alan Solheim, him and his brother John and brother Lou own Ping, this company called Ping? One of the biggest golf companies in the world.
Speaker 1:I got some of their calls.
Speaker 3:So he is my accountability. All this time, alan, he's done everything for me. Wow, I went, I I got involved in their lives in 1983 when their dad yeah carson solheim found me hitting balls and, and, and my life changed because I was able to play ping. So, all of a sudden, so um, I'm wrecking my life again. I'm hating life. He's my presenter for becoming a member of the Hall of Fame and I'm a shoe-in because I've done a lot of good things in the world of golf.
Speaker 1:Long story.
Speaker 3:but 37 countries are pretty good things and all of a sudden they didn't vote me in. I've got one of the more important men in the world of golf as my presenter and I don't get voted in. Wow, that was a shocker and that hurt, yeah, and I've been hurt enough times and I couldn't.
Speaker 2:That one you couldn't get over. No family, no nothing, and the one guy that believed in you. Now, now you've got to tell him I didn't get in.
Speaker 3:No, he was there when they said sorry, you didn't get in the boat oh wow, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So, now.
Speaker 3:I was in a really dark place.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can feel it. I'm sitting here and I can feel where you are at this moment.
Speaker 3:So then you got no family. And then at some point your dad has a stroke and he's out of it, he's dying. And all of a sudden I'm at the dream center and all of a sudden I'm in this room and all of a sudden, a big turning point is about to occur. I'm, I have to go to these. They said you're going to go to bible classes and I thought, okay, I mean, two weeks later I'm just going to go to my first class. They let me detox there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the guy that was the um Clarence Richardson. He was the Carl he was. He was the intake Carl Ward for.
Speaker 2:He was the Carl Ward for Dream Center. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Somehow, he, he, whatever he, whoever knew, whatever he decided he was going to detox me there. He he let me detox there and watched me in his room. He was going to detox me there. He let me detox there and watched me in his room.
Speaker 2:Okay, he snuck me into a better detox area for me, I don't know why. Thank you, favor bud, god favor, serious favor, crazy.
Speaker 3:Wow. So he became like a major thing in my life and all of a sudden I got to go to classes. And all of a sudden I go to this class and the teacher's name is JD Hill. And I thought JD Hill, man.
Speaker 3:When I was a little kid, when we moved here from Chicago, my dad took us to the Arizona State University Sun Devil Stadium football games and there was JD Hill and Woody Green and Johnny Jefferson and Benny Malone and Art Malone and Spaghetti Joe and all these people Could that be JD Hill, the superstar, the Hall of Fame, the All-American, the all, everything, the fourth pick overall, the Buffalo Bills Could that possibly be him? All pro, the best athlete and voted by all the people in the NFL best all-around athlete three lettermen, sports in Arizona State University my gosh, what if that's him? And so I couldn't wait to go to that class. Doggone it. It was him. And he got up and told his testimony about his 17 different drug and alcohol rehabilitation centers and all the struggles he went through and how. And I thought, man, you needed to hear that.
Speaker 3:And he said and he goes and he says he goes, and he and he says he goes. Man, dude, you know, you just got to catch the vision and quit fumbling. And he's recited proverbs 29, 13 is it 29, 19 or 29, 13? Those who don't have a vision, they shall perish. And so he's explaining that verse and he keeps saying man, just catch the vision and quit fumbling. The thing, man, and stay put, learn about Jesus. And he goes on and on. I think he's talking to me. There's a big audience here and I think he's pointing at me.
Speaker 1:He didn't even know me but I'm sitting there taking it personally and I'm buying what he's selling big time Catch this vision man.
Speaker 3:He's an athlete and he knows what it's like to him when the media goes down on you, and he knows what it's like when the family hates you, and he knows what it's like so do you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I'm thinking my gosh. This guy, this is wow. And then when does he teach? Well, every Wednesday I have to be cleaning dishes. And I begged. Can you guys let me go to that one class? No, you can't pick and choose what class you want, I go. No, this guy's making a difference in my life. Nobody picks and chooses their classes. I begged, and begged, and begged. And then they said you know?
Speaker 2:No, you just needed to hear that one thing. No, no.
Speaker 3:They let me go. Oh wow, wow. They finally let me go to the class. Wow, and it was significant because I'm hearing a professional athlete who screwed up big time and the whole world knew about it and I was catching the vision.
Speaker 2:You were hearing your story, your story being told and talked about.
Speaker 3:And then they go. You got this NFL football player coming in to be your roommate and I said don't do that to me. No, he's an NFL football player. I don't need that because I've been in jail, I've been in prison, I've been at different places. I don't like my roommate. Too often I can vision an NFL football player. I'm going to like some little golfer and I ain't no golfer, I'm a golf pro and I'm going to get cocky and he's going to not like some guy that thinks he's all that and I don't think I'm all that anymore.
Speaker 3:I'm a loser, I'm a screw up and I'm going to get him. I don't need it, dude, you're going to get a NFL football player zone here. I said, please don't do that. And then the next day, hey man, you got an NFL football. I was really kind of angry. And then the day comes and this little teeny NFL football player comes in named Demoy Williams. He's six feet tall, maybe 6'1", 170 something pounds, the smallest guy in the NFL, the fastest runner in the NFL, and he liked that.
Speaker 1:And I said man, you're going to be my friend.
Speaker 3:And it was only three weeks after I've been there still shaking like a leaf. And he was shaking and he didn't want to be. He ignored me. And then the next day ignore me. And the next one day he said you know what? I need a friend too. And we started with the dumb words. But that's what we said.
Speaker 3:And all of a sudden, we're walking around from this gate to that gate, back and forth, and we're talking Jesus and we're talking about maybe we could team up and maybe we could be a team for Jesus instead of trying to figure out a way to do it alone. Maybe you've got to walk in twos, maybe the Bible's right, and then we started thinking that way and then we started reading the Bible for a purpose and then, amazingly, I started having these visions that I could be a part of making a difference in the children's lives in the world.
Speaker 3:And all of a sudden, I gave God. I said you know what I keep saying. I keep saying please help me to do this Walk with you better with my gift of golf. Can I just pray this differently? And I'm yelling forget the stupid golf. I keep saying make me do better with my gift. How about? How about? Forget the golf? Can you just give me some gift that I should be doing so I can do something for you? Can I live my life for you, the rest of my life, unless golf is part of it? You know, show me, show me a sign. I mean I'm done, I'm done. And so I kept praying. Show me a sign. Yeah, I mean I'm done, I'm done. And so I kept praying. Show me my gift, show me my gift. Demoy, he's on his knees. Show me my gift. What can I do? Nfl football player six years. Show me my gift. So we're praying. Show me my, what is our gift?
Speaker 3:And all of a sudden, this thing called golf, my set of golf clubs. I'll show you a picture if I can, if I. I know how to do this. This comes to the front desk right there, that set of clubs. It had been. When you're out in the streets. You don't own one more thing anymore. Well, those were long gone. I guess somebody found them at some pawn shop and one of my brothers apparently had my dad pay for them to get them shipped to here. Wow, so they came back.
Speaker 2:Your golf club showed up one day while you were at the Dream Center, bro these golf clubs fit for me.
Speaker 3:Professional staff bag. Ping Teen Challenge and me. Our names are on this bag together and we all were born in 1958. Wow and that comes back to me right there. Wow, how could that show up. How could that be? Wow, how right there. Wow, how could that show up. How could that be? How could that be back in my life, because you guys know when you live out there when you're done, you got nothing.
Speaker 2:You lose it all. You lose it all and then that was my sign.
Speaker 3:I guess golf is going to be in my life, wow and I started praying. What are you going to do with this thing called golf? And and then and then, tom lagering, the owner of a golf club in sun city sun city country club, had already got me started in golf programs in schools, putting god into the public school system through golf as pe. Nobody's ever had golf as pe. Because you can't fit golf courses into pe, because they're 150 acres so you don't have golf as pe.
Speaker 3:You might have an after-school program or a team. Then seven blessed kids get to play on some golf team. But not every kid goes to school and learns golf like they learn football, baseball, softball, basketball and track and field? Nobody ever did it. How about limited flight golf balls in the gymnasiums and auditoriums that are Nerf ball type material? Teach them the sport and bus them off campus once a week with the yellow school buses, providing the transportation to the participating golf courses where, since they're off property, we can speak.
Speaker 1:Jesus, the only sport where you can speak.
Speaker 3:Jesus, because it's the only sport where you've got to take them off campus to do the real sport.
Speaker 3:So, you learn here, and then you go there and get to do it on the real apparatus or the golf course and learn, and then we get to teach them the art of all the different skill areas. And then we have award ceremony after every six hour session every single thursday. And they get to what do you owe this victory through? By the end of the day, those who came off the bus three or four raise their hand that they ever thought of golf or played golf. Three or four more say, yeah, I might play golf. A hundred are not saying anything about golf. At the end of the day, they're all saying, yeah, we want to play golf. And then when they get their awards, we give God all the glory. Thank you, parents, for getting us here. Thank you for enabling us to come to the golf course.
Speaker 1:Praise the.
Speaker 3:Lord. Thank you, jesus, so we get to preach Jesus to the children. Who in the world ever would have thought of that? Because you can't get any other sport off campus to teach them on the regular apparatus Amen God knew. So that's what God knew.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And then prevention Help kids keep off the street. We give them a membership till they turn, till they graduate from high school, they have an honorary membership to play at our golf courses. Wow, what do kids do in their spare time? Well, my kids had spare time when I was in jail. What do you do? Well, my son, chandler and me, we trouble comes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh yeah my two daughters were smarter than us. But and then a lot of families, their mom and dad both work 70 hours a week because they need to figure out a way to afford that house they got or whatever and the car payments and whatever, and so the kids have spare time after school. Or mommy works three jobs because daddy's in jail, so the kids go to grandma's or whatever.
Speaker 2:There's spare time and kids get there's just so much Kids get in trouble in spare time, spare time.
Speaker 3:So give them a membership and then volunteer to career program where, when people graduate from the programs and we want to get involved with Teen Challenge on this in a significant way volunteer to career Once you graduate a particular portion of the program at Dream Center. It would be once you graduate six months, you've completed phase one, you go to phase two and then you're supposed to be like we do at the ranch, where we're in our, we're learning phase and now we're in our application application phase.
Speaker 3:So now they get to come and and I've been blessed with a 15 passenger vehicle that I get to a bus where I can drive them back and forth with with, with accountability and they can. They can volunteer to be in the in the resort and golf club industry, where there's 150 different job descriptions available and with accountability, with people that have gone through it all.
Speaker 3:So now you've got people that have a purpose and people actually can't. When they make it through phase one and they're in phase two, they, they're, they want to, they want to, they want to make it. Oh yeah, they're on fire, they're on fire. Yeah, now you and me, 19 of my friends have died. They made it. Oh good, I think you got it this time. And then there they are back like me or or maybe this time you got it, man. I think you, we can see it in your heart and soul.
Speaker 3:You got it this time, and then they're dead 19 of my friends are dead through the teen challenge and dream center days wonderful people wonderful, beautiful people that have I mean, I can name names, but I won't but beautiful souls that just they never wanted to be drug addicts or whatever and be stuck in a place. They had dreams when they were a kid. Well, that's what we're gonna do give them. Them the dream back, get their family back, volunteer to career, guaranteed living wages. So we're doing fundraising for guaranteed living wages, which is enough to get a place to live, a vehicle to drive and to be able to pay your electrical bill and whatever, and to buy groceries and to start a new family or to get your old one back, or potential. Go places in life and have a purpose in life. So that's what God gave me with this thing called golf, when I said forget the stupid golf thing unless there's some kind of sign. Amen.
Speaker 2:There you go, and it's become the Kent Chase Golf Academy.
Speaker 3:Kent Chase School of Golf. I have a ministry through the Dream Center. It's an amazing thing. So I'm honored to have the Kent Chase School of Golf at Sun City Country Club, at the GPS Learning Center. Gps stands for golf programs in schools, gps stands for God's plan for students and GPS plans for grip posture swing which is crazy how I can use the principles of the way, the truth and the life right here, right here it's great. John 14, 6, I'm the way, the truth and the life.
Speaker 3:No one cometh unto the Father, but through me. I preach that the way I became the master teacher of golf is because of the way I teach the laws, the principles and the preferences of golf, which perfectly parallel the way, the truth and the life that Jesus speaks in John 14, 6. So biblical principles to all the children in all the schools. Property number one there's 51 dream centers. There's 300 worldwide. There's probably 1,000 teen challenges worldwide. I want volunteer to career in all of those properties and we're putting God and golf they can help into the public school system for the kids to have something to do with their spare time. Come on.
Speaker 3:Yeah that's what the ministry God gave me.
Speaker 1:Amen Wow, india's calling back.
Speaker 3:Africa's calling, central America's calling, and now, jesus, we just had the night of legends with the AIM ministry. Aim ministry, athletes International Ministry. Beautiful thing. We had the night of legends. I'll show you what. I'll show you a tape of it. It's a beautiful thing where many of the legends of sports Nancy Lopez was honored as one of the legends of golf in the Hall of Fame. Shady Hill was honored as a legend in the sport of football. Do you remember, dan and Dave?
Speaker 1:Johnson, the decathlon athletes um they triathlons right dave and dan.
Speaker 3:They were all the commercials um they were triathlons, decathlon, decathlon. So he was one of the legends and he was one of our guest speakers a lot of legends.
Speaker 1:I can't name any names.
Speaker 3:That's cool I was going to try to show you a picture, but I can't find it right ride, swim, run and yeah, all that yeah, so we had the NIDA ministry Athletes. International Athletes have gone through a lot of stuff. So now I'm a part of that ministry Larry Karychuk and his wife, wendy Karychuk. They had this brainstorm 50 years ago and they're all about athletes around the world international with their testimonies and the craziness, whether it's crazy maniac boxers or wrestlers or football players or basketball stars or golf pros or whatever it is.
Speaker 3:We all have our own way of having some crazy testimony. We all got our own. Whatever it is, we all end up in the same. I mean, we all ended up at Teen Challenge whatever we did and Dream Centers and we all have a purpose and God had a plan.
Speaker 3:So, the way I see it, giving it all meant something different to me. I thought it meant no more drugs or alcohol, and that's giving it all and pouring your heart into trying to read the Bible. But it became. You know, maybe one day my family will come back to me, god. Maybe one day my family will come back to me. God, how about you take the family so I can go to sleep at night?
Speaker 3:and not struggle mentally over this. How about you take the Deanna thing and the Joanne death and all my problems that I blamed myself for her death, and those extra marriages, and those marriages all failed because of all my one thing that I did, that I took with me all the way to my dad dying and then he died while I was at the dream center and all these things, and I got kicked out of a funeral Cause. What are you doing here? A family member funeral? What are you doing here? You were told not to come here.
Speaker 1:We don't want you to get out of here.
Speaker 3:What are you doing? Well, I cause this is, I can't even name names, but how can I not be here, yeah? Because you don't belong here. So that means whatever sins I did are more recent and whatever sins they did are more in the past and those are forgiven, I guess, and some people's minds, if your sins are far enough in the past yeah they don't say it that way.
Speaker 2:But now through I've been good for long enough, something like that.
Speaker 3:I mean I've yeah, so so those are so, but when I gave that away to God, you've got to give it all You've got to give it up.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 3:I couldn't give that up. I needed people to still love me. I needed them to respect me. I needed to be able to say please, I'm sorry, I want your forgiveness, I want your. Yeah, you love me. Okay, I get it, you'll get it, you don't hate me. I keep saying you hate me, yeah, you love me. That's fine, and I've got to dig myself out of my own hole and I get it Whatever. But when I gave that, I needed their support that I'm okay now, because I needed them to know I've got Jesus, I'm good to go.
Speaker 3:Well, you said that before. How many times are you going to say that, yeah, I mean you be all the time professing your faith. Yeah, what the heck's wrong with you. I mean fool. So that's where I was and that's, but that's where I'm not. And then god had this plan and demoy williams and me have this ministry. A guy named david mendez is a part of it. He does all the social media for us. And then the, a ministry with wendy and larry and all the professional athletes, and we're all this big team I love that forward and it's a worldwide thing.
Speaker 2:I love that. And then there's joy.
Speaker 3:I never knew the definition of joy. Joy, yes I always thought give me some more M&Ms and another beer.
Speaker 2:Joy comes when you put Jesus first and others before yourself.
Speaker 3:Yes, and I didn't understand that. But now there's this whole different joy would be helping somebody that's gone through a lot of garbage that we don't know what they've gone through. Come on, buddy. We have no clue. Can you imagine making a difference in people's…?
Speaker 2:Just one person's life. One person's life.
Speaker 3:Today I've got one person I got to have with me in, whatever I do, it's so worth it A lot of days I got a truck full of people or a bus full, and a lot of days we get to preach to the people at the soup kitchen that are. And then they got a decision to make. You guys are listening to this. God has you for a purpose. The bus found you on the streets, we go fishing and we bring you in and here you are and you got an option Be like me and make the choice to go ahead and just take your.
Speaker 3:You're just going to die. You're not putting a gun to your head, but you know you're going to die. You're aware of it and you're willing to do it. And you've got so much pride that you got too much shame and you're just going to go ahead and die out there and maybe nobody'll know. And that's where I was and you can do that. Or like demoy sitting right here he made a choice and he made a phone call. I need help. I'm going down this path again. Help, please help. And they brought him in, so when we bring him into teen challenges or dream center. So he made a choice. Some of those people just go want to die. They don't want to get off their addiction.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because they're scared scared, then you gotta put away the drugs, you gotta put away whatever well, they don't know what's on the other side right and they don't know there's a fear of failure.
Speaker 1:But why go try if I'm just gonna fail and I'll just be right back here? Anyways, when I'm already right here, I might just stay here 100% correct.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:And it's terrifying, man, so many people are stuck in that mindset. That why try if.
Speaker 3:I'm going to fail so.
Speaker 1:I just won't try, because a lot of other people are there because, well, if I get clean and sober, then I have to deal with the pain that I'm trying to hide from and I don't want to feel that pain, so I'll just stay buried in this stuff. You know what I mean, and the reality is, is that if you go through the pain on the other side of the pain is healing. On the other side of the pain is freedom, because we have a saying at RCR you have to feel it to heal it.
Speaker 2:Got to feel it to heal it, yep.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean the pain that you're trying to hide. If you'll just go through the pain, let it have its place and its purpose on the other side is freedom and healing. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm telling people real quick that I'm doing a podcast right now.
Speaker 2:That's why I can't return your podcast. Oh yeah, we're live man.
Speaker 1:So when you were talking earlier about joy, I heard this verse in my head.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:And it's he who loses his life will find it, and what that means is we have to get to a place where we're not just living for self 100%, billion, percent Correct. When we're living for self, we become self-ish and life is all about what. Can I gain? What?
Speaker 2:can I control? What can I?
Speaker 1:whatever. You know what I mean and what it means to lose your life is. It's not all about me, you said something about it. We can just help one person Right. When we begin to live life trying to help others, then we truly begin to find joy, fulfillment, all the things we tried to find in selfish things. Yeah, Thinking oh, if I could just accomplish this, then I'll be happy. Or if I can just go here, then I'll be happy. If I could just marry this girl, then I'll be happy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what we do and we find ourselves in those places and we're like wait a minute, I'm still not happy. I thought this would make me happy when, in reality, if we just lose ourselves, because we must lose ourselves to find God and be truly useful to God, then we find ourselves being useful to others and then we find true joy. That's when true joy comes, is when we live outside of ourselves and we begin to try to help others to get to where we're at.
Speaker 3:So back in the day of an athlete happiness, was you win an event?
Speaker 1:and you make a really good paycheck.
Speaker 3:Happiness is when another company endorses you and says we're going to pay you this much money if you wear this apparel and another company says we'll pay you this much money if you wear these shoes and if you play these clubs, and then they give you a Suburban, and then the next year a suburban the Chevy and then, and then the next year you get another. You know that's happiness. And then the parties, and then, and then you get to fly here and you get to fly there more happiness and then more money and more happiness.
Speaker 3:That's what we think that's an athlete, and then, and then a professional football player would be a great example of somebody that that maybe played in the, in the, maybe basketball they play in the. What do you call in new?
Speaker 1:york.
Speaker 3:In the bad side of town they get really good and all of a sudden they're in the nba they go from nothing to a multi-gazillionaire and obviously you got so much money, and then trouble comes to that way just as easy.
Speaker 2:You don't know how to spend that money. Yeah, more money, more problems, but then but then it's different than you know.
Speaker 3:Tiger Woods I don't know if anybody realizes this how in the heck is he supposed to spend his money? They pay him a fortune to drive that car and to live in that neighborhood and to wear this apparel. I mean $50 million to wear Nike, I mean whatever it is. You get paid so much money and then what do you spend it on? Because they pay you to do that too.
Speaker 1:So then you buy another yacht, another golf stream aircraft and you know and you get another girl and you pay a few girls a lot of money to have them, these leagues and these organizations like the? L or the pga. They need to have classes, they need to have what classes? Oh 100 money management if you're a rookie coming into this league, you need to go to this class and we're going to teach you about money management nfl does that we're going to teach you about generational wealth, how, if you put this money aside, your kids will never have to worry about a damn thing again.
Speaker 1:But what happens is you get kids who come from nothing. They get this money and I'm rich. They buy this 14 room mansion that they don't need, because it's just you. You're not even married and have kids yet, but you need a 14 room mansion for some reason, you know. I mean, and and when that is all gone. Like you were talking about the joy, the happiness oh, I want a tournament, I have money. Oh, they're paying me this kind of money, and then there comes a time when that's no longer there. I've seen so many football players in prison because, once they left the league, they didn't know what to do. They lost themselves and they lost their self. Yep, they lost like, okay, I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2:Sports is all they knew.
Speaker 1:The money's gone, the fame is gone, all these things are gone, and they end up crackheads or alcoholics or criminals or criminals and they end up on the streets.
Speaker 3:Here's something that nobody is not found, and true joy is not found.
Speaker 1:No, you can't find joy until you go through it all to understand what joy truly is.
Speaker 3:The first thing that ever got me going in a direction that I didn't know I was going to be willing to go in. Don't do drugs made a lot of sense to me when my dad taught me that when I was a kid Beer's okay, but don't do drugs. So the first big party I ever went to playing golf was in a mansion in Aspen, colorado, one of the other drug capitals of the world, and the celebrities and major political figures and athletes are all going to this big party and I was one of the golf celebrities so I get to go to the party up there and that multi gazillion dollar mansion.
Speaker 3:And so I went to that multi gazillion dollar mansion and you walk in the door and and there's greeters at right there making sure they know who's coming in. The door. And then you go in the door and there's the presidential table and there's lines of cocaine all the way around. And nobody needs any money that's at that party. But there's all these $100 bills rolled up for the free Just laying around. So there's $100 bills all the way around there.
Speaker 1:Grab one and help yourself. Well, you do want one, so there's $100 bills all the way around there. Grab one and help yourself.
Speaker 3:Well, you do more than one, I'd be stuck at that table all night oh my God, and you're seeing people that you watch on TV.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Major athletes and major celebrities.
Speaker 3:Oh, I didn't know you do this, and at 4 o'clock in the morning. I could go deeper on crazy stories in other countries too, but all of a sudden you're having the best night of your life and you're in the jacuzzi at 4 o'clock in the morning in Colorado with a bunch of naked women, and that's joy, I mean when you're in your stupid life when you're living for your own, looking for, hunting for the joys and pleasures of life.
Speaker 3:In the moment it feels like yeah and then and then, and that becomes something that, man, when can we do that again? Yeah, and you didn't think that you were going to get involved in what. When are we going to do that again? Yeah, but then the one you can, man, that's not there, something, something to look forward to, can you imagine? And then you've got these different events and they've got these beautiful Fellowship of Christian Athletes, opportunities or the party, and then that's not very tough of a decision, because you've got the women or the learn about Jesus over there.
Speaker 3:Well, the choice for most of the people, including me, was the party.
Speaker 2:The girls bud.
Speaker 3:Yeah, gosh. I mean, mine was always. Most of the people, including me, was the party the girls bud. Yeah, gosh, why not?
Speaker 2:I mean mine was always the dope.
Speaker 1:It was crazy right, it's even on that level, you have the good and the bad. No matter how much money is involved, you still have the fellowship of christian athletes, or the Naked Women, the cocaine, all these you know what I mean Giving it all, even at that level of society, there's still this good and bad. Which one are you going to choose? You know?
Speaker 1:what I mean that's crazy. That's crazy. God wants you to know something, Kent. I believe that God wants you to know that if you stay on this path that you're on and you continue to serve him faithfully and you continue to do the things that you're doing, those people who left and walked away from you will be back 100% agree. Family.
Speaker 3:And God's perfect timing.
Speaker 2:People in your contacts that are going to actually be in a place to help them that are going to actually help you. You're going to be like Joseph bro Yep.
Speaker 1:Well, see, people want to see, people want to know yeah, we can tell them we're good, we're falling in Jesus, we love God, you know what. I mean, and those people who are not listening or answering your phone calls are watching, still Waiting Because they haven't forgot who you are? Yeah, but they're watching and there's going to come a time when they're going to call you and be like we see what you're doing and we like what you're doing. Where can I send some money to help?
Speaker 3:That's where my children are. I've got my children back in my life. Praise the Lord, thank you, yeah.
Speaker 1:But the money people they're watching and they're seeing what you're doing and there's going to come a time when they're going to be like wow, he's been doing this for a while now, because you said it's only been like three and a half years that you've been February 6th said it's only been like three, three and a half years that you've been, that you've been february 6 2002.
Speaker 3:No, february 6 of um 25, 20 no, three years and four months ago. Yeah, it's my first day at dream center. Yeah, so it would be 22 february.
Speaker 2:Oh, I thought you said, oh, two february 22 22.
Speaker 1:So my encouragement to you, brother, is to stay faithful, takes time man man, it does take time, takes time. It takes time to heal wounds.
Speaker 3:I think I'm going to tell you something. I think God has done such a thing on me that I don't see. I see sticker bushes. Now I see another. Yeah, I used to say the devil made me do it, but it was me. Well, it's an easy way off. I had the spiritual warfare thing, yeah, at some point in life, 67 years old, and demoy and I are a team on this and and so, and the people of ping and all of us, this new trajectory where it's, it's that way instead of, oh my gosh, another season.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh great, here we go again oh no, can you believe that?
Speaker 3:now, here we go, so we're on this path and trajectory. That's a committed, purposeful plan of attack.
Speaker 2:Good.
Speaker 3:And it's a beautiful place where that path is so and that lifestyle is so far gone that it's with accountability, with a lot of leadership, people in different ministries, where man for me to break away from that, I would have to be the fool of all fools.
Speaker 2:You're going to hurt a lot of people, bro. Yeah, you're going to hurt a lot of people.
Speaker 1:But here's what I want you to see is the people have seen this in your life, right and right now they're seeing this part and they're like how long until?
Speaker 3:it's he going to do that? How long until it's this again? I know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So they're waiting for that. Yep, there's going to come a time when they don't see that and they're like wait a minute. He ain't fell in a while he ain't going to happen. You know what I mean. And when they realize that that's when's happening, you know I mean the growth of this when I tell you the rest of this, story is crazy.
Speaker 3:Who's getting involved and jumping on board? Oh, it's going to keep. It's just going to get more crazier. It's going to blow your mind. It's crazy, and the fact that we've got 20 million people viewing us right now and we get to preach the word of god to them. That's a different, different and and the reason that it matters yeah is because you go viral. We can make money for different things that we support I support, I'm against human trafficking. The Dream Center the Dream Center we have, a when Hope Lives program.
Speaker 3:And money that we raise goes to them. Money that we raise goes to people that are suffering from homelessness, helplessness, addictions, afflictions, people that end up in Dream centers routine challenge directly there, and the money that I raised goes towards GPS, God's plan for students for the volunteers that go into the programs, into the schools. So actually there is a purposeful life and a purposeful walk.
Speaker 3:So yeah. So when I say follow and share this Kent Chase I think it's called Kent Chase Golf it's not going any. None of the money goes in my pocket. It goes to these causes. So, every single thing I do is designed that super subtle express bus I'm driving is funded money through.
Speaker 2:Ping the Soulheim Foundation. They didn't lose me. If somebody is listening to this or watching this and they would like to sow a seed into the kingdom, into what you're doing, how would they do that?
Speaker 3:Kent. We're actually now a 501c3 corporation. I think it's called Kent Chase Golf. We can look it up on my phone, but we have an account now where all the money goes through. I have a board of directors all part of the Dream City Church, All major people the. Coo. Brendan Zastrow is one of our leaders in my board of directors and Phil Shembrey is another one major person in Scottsdale.
Speaker 1:Church itself.
Speaker 3:And his son is the lead pastor of the Highlands Church, so I've got those kind of people on my board and accountability. And we're all driven for the same purpose. And then the AIM ministry is a major part of our program. And then JD Hill and his Catch, the Vision ministry. We're all a big team now going forward in a major way.
Speaker 1:You surround yourself with some good people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Surrounded with good people. And then God gave me this other vision. My book is almost going to be released that I'm writing now, Book three, Catch this. I was explaining that it's going to be. Jesus gave me another mulligan. God gave me another mulligan and I asked a lot of people what would be, what would, what would make sense for this book? Cause it's telling the story and stories of others and and it's it's none of those titles.
Speaker 3:Because we all get our mulligans and we all get our ultimate mulligan when we find and accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior. So that's our big mulligan. But we still get all these little mulligans because we find and accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. So that's our big mulligan. But we still get all these little mulligans because we did dumb things, because we all are sinners and have fallen short of the glory of God, so we're not going to go deep again. So God had a plan for my mulligan. Are we going to keep doing the same stupid thing after you get the mulligan, or are we going to observe, critique and adjust?
Speaker 3:and go in that direction from this day forward. So my book that's going to be released soon is God had a Plan for my Mulligan. The word my is crossed off I forget the terminology and in bigger letters it says our God had a plan for our mulligans.
Speaker 2:That's great dude. Amen, that's great. Amen Love it.
Speaker 3:And maybe you guys want to be a part. I would love that because I have several amazing people part of that book that are writing a chapter and we actually should have your ministry as a chapter.
Speaker 2:I'd love to be in it. Buddy, let's do it. I'm in 100%, Because our family's got a hell of a story. Bud. Only by the grace of God that we made it here. And then how did you go?
Speaker 3:And then what we've really gotten good at understanding in a much more significant way is every single one of us started somewhere, did something along the way, got somewhere and whatever happened happened. And what do we do when? Whatever happened and it could be more of that- and at some point. What happened to make you go in the right direction and what are you going to do about it? Yeah, yeah amen.
Speaker 2:What's crazy is mine was a relapse in 2019. It was a hellish year. Man, I got kidnapped. It was just nuts, but it was the best thing that happened to me, because it led me to team challenge there for 40 days, got out. Mom said we need to go back to lifelink, came here and my whole life just started. Yeah, went by the grace of God man yeah. Yeah, Me and dad ain't smart enough to put this together, but God did all this man. We just said yes and we've just stayed faithful.
Speaker 1:We I did all this man. We just said yes, and we've just stayed faithful. We just continued to do what God is asking us to do. This lady spoke a word to Rowdy one time and I grabbed it and that word was plant yourself somewhere for 10 years and watch what God will do 10 years. And I was like I'll take that for myself as well. You know what I mean. Right, and we were only halfway through it, I think right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're five in, we're like maybe five in. Graduated Bible college. Oh wow.
Speaker 1:He's got a bachelor's in theology. He's on staff here at the church. We're part of launching another campus. I mean all these different things, the ministry that we're doing here, recovery ministry, cr, that we're doing here, cr all these different things that have happened because we said, okay, we're going to plant ourselves somewhere for 10 years and we're going to watch what God, not that we're going to leave in 10 years, but give God 10 years in some because it takes time to dig to roots to take place and be solid, Because when the winds come and blow and they're going to come and blow if your roots aren't deep enough, you're going to.
Speaker 1:You're going to go wherever the wind takes you, yeah, but if you're planted somewhere deep enough and your roots are deep enough when the wind blows, you're going to stand strong. So we're planted. A hundred percent. We're planted Our roots are deep by experience.
Speaker 3:I believe that you had to go through something, I had to go through something. He had to go through something for his entire life, from the day he was born. I mean, some of us are born and then some people are born into the kingdom of Scotland and they're the king.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And they're the king, and they're the prince and then wow, and then some of the people are let's go, help them play golf, let's teach them when you're in the when you go to india with me, there's I can't wait.
Speaker 3:Well, there's the, there's a man there's the part of india where people are living in cow pies, yeah, and peeing on the streets. Where else?
Speaker 1:are they gonna go yeah?
Speaker 3:and then you get on the other side of the wall that's 40 feet tall, and the gates, and you get inside and you think you're in the Garden of Eden and there's more wealth than you've ever witnessed in the world and it's like my gosh really this is what life's all about.
Speaker 3:And then you get back out, and then you're back with the real world, and then you're living at the American Embassy one minute, and then you're living amongst people at the other, and then you're in different parts of India, and then you're with the children that are going miles and miles from miles and miles around because they get to witness something called golf a golf event and they don't know they're about to be preached to with Bibles that are shipped in and all of a sudden they get to do this new sport called golf, and 50% of them are orphans and whatever, and they all can't wait to hear about Jesus. And who's this Jesus man? And can you imagine You're going to get your head chopped off if you're not careful, but you got the right people.
Speaker 1:You ever do stuff like that in Africa?
Speaker 3:We're going to. The AIM ministry has a major plan to go to Africa with people that are already supporting it. You guys will have to be involved in it. You're going to have to come to an AIM ministry event. You're going to have to come to an AIM ministry event? Yeah, I'd love to Next Thursday. Come next Thursday, every Thursday at noon I would love to invite you.
Speaker 1:Lunch on me. He could probably make it. I got to work.
Speaker 2:This guy works the bone man. I can make it Thursday at noon, buddy. Make it Thursday at noon? Yeah, I can. I'll set it up with you. Let's plan it, You'll love it.
Speaker 3:You'll want to be a part of it. We plan in the plans and Tommy Burnett at the night of legends the next day. All these major athletes from around the world and Tommy Tommy gave a really amazing sermon Well, hour and a half he only he does. Usually you can't get an hour and a half, but he was torn with tears of joy, wow, and the biggest thing was people like us dream big for your biggest dream.
Speaker 3:If it's not a big enough dream that doesn't scare you a little bit. Pray to lose the fear, because God has a plan for that big dream.
Speaker 3:If it's within God's will, dream big. Pray big for the big dreams, because if you pray big for the big dreams, the dreams are going to become reality. Remember, if it's in God's will and if you're living according to God's will, that's when favor will continue to come to you and you'll be blessed. And he kept, and I'm, and so we're going to build the ultimate. This is this is speaking it into existence. Our big time prayer Speak life. We're going to have the.
Speaker 3:There used to be a golf tournament called the Kent Chase Masters, the Kent Chase Junior Masters, years ago, and a guy named Richard Lee, a kid named Richard Lee, one of my students from Korea won it. He won a lot. Named Richard Lee, a kid named Richard Lee, one of my students from Korea, won it. He won a lot of big tournaments but he won. He was the first winner of that event. Major thing Through all my life story and struggles, he was out of my life but now he's won four times on the Asian tour and he shares a vision and a dream with his father, who came back into my life and said I'm glad you've made it through the rainstorms. Come on we and said I'm glad you've made it through the rainstorms. Come on, we got you, let's do this now. And you love Jesus, we love Jesus.
Speaker 3:They are known in Korea as like he's like the Tiger Woods of Korea. So we're going to build this master's golf course. We already have the property.
Speaker 3:We don't own it, but we've got a vision and a dream and a lot of people are in this vision and dream big people where they want to do something with their finances that can make a significant difference in the world. So there's all these different Teen Challenge golf tournament every year fundraising event. Dream Center fundraising event. There's Race for the Cure fundraising event. There's Catch the Vision fundraising event. There's all these different fundraising events for GPS, for any need you can imagine, and they have to go to these different golf courses and figure out who will give them the best deal on the pricing for the golf and the food and beverage and the banquet hall.
Speaker 3:We're going to have the golf course. That does it for all of the fundraising events. It will be specifically the masters, the pastors masters, the junior masters.
Speaker 2:I love that the pastors. Masters, bro, I'm coming.
Speaker 3:All the pastors are going to be behind it. We've got a possibility of 154 acres and it's going to be a major thing with tee boxes and settings for each age category. So it'll and it's going to be a major thing, with tee boxes and settings for each age category.
Speaker 1:It's not just tee boxes up there or up there.
Speaker 3:We're going to have a real master situation, a resort, the whole thing that's specifically designed for raising funds for the needy people in the world through golf and everybody loves golf.
Speaker 3:And presidents of countries can't wait to support something like this. So this is a vision and a dream, and a dream big thing. So that's it. And, by the way, in the teen challenge thing, this is humor, I got to throw it in there. I was um, when I was had my first golf course where I operated this Francisco Grande resort and golf club. Um, this, this, this message was on my desk that that, um, some guy named ken sharp from some place called team challenge, team challenge, would like to know if you'd be interested in helping him with a fundraising golf tournament this was 1986, I believe.
Speaker 2:Wow, dude, 1986 dude, you didn't know that 20 years later, 30 years later, later, you'd be going in the door. Well, holy crap, that's the story.
Speaker 3:So I called the guy, Kent Sharp, Kent Chase, speaking. I said, yeah, I've got a message here from you. And Teen Challenge. Can you tell me a little bit about Teen Challenge? Oh yeah, we're a drug and alcohol rehabilitation center. And he talked about Dan Wilkerson and talked a little bit about the program and I said are you serious? Can we just have lunch and talk about this fundraising tournament idea you've got? I mean, yeah, I'll buy lunch for you, let's go. He came to lunch a couple days later and I said I want to hear more about this place. So he starts telling me 13 and a half month program and I said these kids have to live there 13 and a half months. He goes. I'm not talking about kids. I said what do you mean? He goes. Well, these are adults. I go.
Speaker 3:Wait a minute you mean adults have to live 13 and a half months. Yeah, you're, if you wait. And then he starts explaining the whole program. I said, my gosh, of course I'll have you fundraising golf tomorrow. Invite every one of my PGA Tour star friends and we'll have a major thing with PGA professionals playing in every group. That's what we'll do, wow. So we founded the Teen Challenge Marathon Fundraising Golf Tournament 1986. Had it in 87 and 88.
Speaker 3:And so years later I'm sitting there as part of the PR team at one of them, whatever month I was in of my Teen Challenge, and they're talking about this. Can you help us with this? We want to have this Teen Challenge fundraising golf tournament thing. I said no way. I said you know what? I'm the founder. I started that thing in 1986. No, you didn't. Yeah, you did. I did. And they went looking for the paperwork and the files. Sure enough, ken Sharp, ken Chase, 1986, teen Challenge Marathon Golf Championship fundraising event. I said, are you serious? All those years ago I felt compassion for these poor people that are struggling, that are adults that need to live in a place like this, and now I live here.
Speaker 2:And I'm one of them now. Now, I'm one of them. God has a sense of humor, doesn't he? He sure does.
Speaker 1:He sure does dude. Wow, I love it.
Speaker 2:So there you go.
Speaker 1:So God's got great things for you, brother, he really does.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Jesus.
Speaker 3:Just stay faithfulness.
Speaker 1:Thank you Thanks for you, but let's so. We had a pastor one time who had this big property, had a small little church, and he told us that the only mistake he ever made was that was all he was believing God for. So this, where are you going? You got pee, go ahead. I love you dad, so this next question is is is very vital because we want to know what do you believe in God for?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because whatever you're believing God for in the future is what God was, where God's going to meet you. So give us some things that we can be praying for, that, if listeners can be praying for, uh, what you're believing God for in the future, bud.
Speaker 3:All right, check this out. It's golf course. There's 51 dream center properties in the united states of america. There's 300 worldwide. I could add, but I don't know the numbers in teen challenge.
Speaker 2:So I'll stick. A thousand dreams, thousands over a thousand.
Speaker 3:There is um 19 million children in the ages of second grade through ninth grade in america that attend public school system yeah, and they all have something called pe. Yeah, we vision the golf course. I told you about 51 of these gps golf programs in schools, god's plan for students around the country, 300 worldwide, 19 million children in america. We've already touched the lives of 50 000 children in maricopa county. Yeah, there's 390 000 children in age of second grade through ninth grade in maricopa county right. This second we're reaching to all of them.
Speaker 3:The goal is to put this in all the schools in america and then grow worldwide and then to have the vision of volunteer to career within the Teen Challenges as well as the Dream Centers and worldwide helping the children find Jesus before it's too late, because we believe God is coming very soon and it could be any minute, and the time is short. So our idea and what we teach the children is how to grip it properly in golf, because it highly influences what you're going to receive at impact. In golf, your grip is the most important fundamental in life.
Speaker 3:That's the Bible. If you don't start your day with reading your Bible purposefully, not just banging through some words, if you have a purposeful way to read the Bible and there's so many ways that you can look up on the Internet how to read your Bible- for a purpose relating to your life and to the people it's really good Kent.
Speaker 3:So grip and then if you could grip it properly in golf? If you don't grip it correctly, you're going to receive a bad club face and impact and the ball is going to go to a bad place and you don't know why. You received what you should have got, but without your proper grip you get bad things. And what are you going? You rely on innovative, unique, innovative moves to get something different than what you should have got.
Speaker 3:Because, your grip is wrong you are searching, then if you do grip it wrong, then you've got to aim crooked because it's going to grow crooked, so you aim wrong. So now your alignment is all goofed up. So we've got to grip it good because you're going to receive a good club face which allows you to align correctly, which is your prayer time and your devotions every single day. You've got to grip it right. You've got to align yourself properly, which is your devotions and your prayer time. And then in golf the third pre-swing is you've got to posture up perfectly so you can take it to the correct place.
Speaker 3:Wrong posture, you can't get in the place position of readiness, where the path is really easy. All golfers come from a bad place where you can't get the path, so everybody's in trouble because they don't posture it correctly. But if you grip it correctly, read your bible purposely, align it correctly, prayer time and devotions, and then posture up, you're ready for the day. You had your cup of coffee with your wife, you did your every single daily purposeful, driven lifestyle and now you walk out the day with the posture up to make a difference in people's lives, not just yourself that's what we get to teach the children.
Speaker 1:Wow, good, I love how god did that for?
Speaker 2:you dude? Yeah, because that's god you're not, you're not smart enough to put all that together million percent no that's the lord bud right, wow.
Speaker 3:And if you're in the right place to start with, now you can in swing in golf. Taking it back to the place is a crazy awesome thing. There is a place one should come from in golf. In football, you take it to a place is a crazy awesome thing. There is a place one should come from in golf. In football, you take it to a place before you throw it. In basketball, you take it to a place before you throw it. Archery, you come from a particular place, not randomness, it's a place. No matter what sport you play bowling, you've got to come from a place.
Speaker 3:In golf you've got to come from a place. It's called the position of readiness. So if you can start in the right place and take it to the right place, that means you're coming from the right place which means you're on path, which means everything is possible at impact. Which means now you're making a difference in everybody's life, You're making a revelation.
Speaker 2:Which means now you're hitting better golf shots.
Speaker 3:Which means you're in charge of your ball.
Speaker 1:You go boy, you go boy. No, God gave me that I can't wait?
Speaker 3:How in the world?
Speaker 2:No, I'm not even this is cool man, I'm really glad that you came in and we did this and we're connected.
Speaker 1:I don't follow you on social media. I can feel it. I don't follow you on social media, but I'm going to start following you on social media?
Speaker 3:Yeah, and have people, because it only raises money. The more people that follow and share, whatever the numbers are. It doesn't matter to me. It's not money in my pocket, but it helps people. He's in the in the where hope lives program it helps. It brings in money for making a difference in people's lives. That's all. That's joy, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's what makes me Yep.
Speaker 3:God had a plan for whatever I'm good at and get a plan for whatever everybody, whatever.
Speaker 1:Yep, god had a plan for whatever I'm good at, and he had a plan for whatever.
Speaker 2:Everybody, whatever you know what that is? That's sustainable joy.
Speaker 1:Yep, sustainable joy, it's not a moment where it'll pass and I want to get it's something that's sustainable and it'll always be there because it's outside itself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just me pray for him. I'll pray for you brother I love it.
Speaker 3:Thank you thank you for sharing, man, I I absolutely thank you god you're, you're, you're funny, you're awesome your energy is awesome, dude, so thank you so much.
Speaker 1:You guys are awesome man thank you, god man man, thank you jesus most gracious, hold on hold on.
Speaker 3:You gotta give me one good story about chichi so chichi rodriguez, let's see there's a lot of them, but here's my favorite one that is so perfectly relating to my life and the way the Bible might speak it I'm playing with Chi Chi Rodriguez and Raymond Floyd in the Phoenix Open one year and I'm playing really good and I'm liking it. It was that phoenix country club before they moved to tpc of scottsdale. Yeah, um, let me think number number hole, number 13, par three, um 214 yards. I got four iron got a lot of people around when you're playing with those two guys oh, yeah, but so so I hit this four iron and I hit it thin.
Speaker 3:Okay, you know the word, you know what the word thin means. No, I didn't smash it, you didn't get it, I didn't hit it.
Speaker 3:Perfect, I hit it under the equator of the ball, the leading edge of the club yeah, yeah was, was under the equator of the ball, but it made it go low and didn't fly as far and didn't fly as high and I banged my club on the ground. Dang it, I said. And then I watched my ball and it flew perfectly directly towards the target. It didn't fly as far because I hit it thin, but since I hit it thin it flew lower, but since it was lower it bounced further and it bounced up and stopped a foot from the hole. I was about to tap it in for my birdie Negative display of emotion right in front of Chi Chi Rodriguez and Raymond Floyd and the spectators, or whatever I make birdie and whatever.
Speaker 1:I didn't know.
Speaker 3:I was going to get to talk to you about this from Chi Chi later. But at this point number 15, another par 3, over the lake it's like 204. I got five iron Same stupid thin feeling shot. Oh gosh, darn it. Bang my club on the ground again. Bang my club on the ground again. Another negative display of emotion and I the ball stops for a few from the whole flu you know, it didn't fly as far.
Speaker 2:Watch the shot all the way through before you.
Speaker 3:emotion so we get done with the day and Chi Chi says my gosh, it was so much fun. I just don't understand why you complain. Chi Chi says to me I don't understand why you complain all the time when you hit your ball right by the hole on all those par threes out there and I go. You don't understand why I hit my. Can you tell Irene we're 30 minutes late. I told her we'd be home by 530. Tell her I'm still Call her. So he goes. I hit him thin, he goes. I hit him thin. I mean I hit horrible golf shots. He goes. I really understand that. Right by the hole, I go. What do you mean? He goes. I either hit the ball thin or I hit the ball good, but all I care is where it went, not how it felt. I go. Okay, I'm learning something here. He goes.
Speaker 3:You swung towards the target. Your club face was aiming at the target. Your ball ends up by the hole. Spectators are clapping, you're writing down birdie and you're complaining. I don't understand. You're so good that if you mishit the feeling you wanted, that's not good. Are you looking for results or how it felt?
Speaker 3:wow, that's what he did to me I said, I think I've needed to feel good and I'd rather have the result, because I'm scoring my ball. Wow, it is out of your comfort zone, yeah thank you, chichi, that's good dude right out of his mouth and forever he became my best friend.
Speaker 1:Wow, amen that's how it where.
Speaker 3:When I mean we don't want to do it that way because Cause they're in the field, right. We like the way it feels good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's. Results matter, but not how it feels we go off on our field. Try this drug, try that Dr Phil has an opinion.
Speaker 3:Try that. Try this wow we're gonna pray for you bro thank you, all right oh man
Speaker 1:father, god, lord, I just praise your holy name, lord uh, father, I just thank you give you honor, I give you glory. I just acknowledge that you are the creator of the heavens and the earth, god, and we just thank you for this day. And, father, I just thank you for your son, ken, again, just for his willingness to come on and share his story god, lord, I thank you for laughs. I thank you for the good times, god.
Speaker 1:Lord, I thank you for taking his ebb and flow, god, and flattening it out. I thank you, lord, that his trajectory to the whole God is perfect, it's right on line, it's right on target and I thank you, lord, for what you're going to do in this next season in his life. God, lord, I, I thank you, lord, for what you're going to do in this next season in his life. God, lord, I just thank you for just the healing in his heart, god. I thank you, lord, just for the healing in his mind that has taken place, god, that has got him to a place where he said it himself, god, that he is experiencing true joy. God, thank you, god.
Speaker 1:So, father, I just lift up these golf courses, lord, I lift up these programs that he's a part of the GPS, lord, that aims all these. So, father, I just lift up these golf courses, lord, I lift up these programs that he's a part of the GPS, lord, the AIMS, all these different programs that you have aligned him with God and these programs, that you have surrounded him with God.
Speaker 1:I pray that these programs, they prosper, lord. I pray that these programs have the backing that they need God to go forth. Lord, lord, I thank you that there's going to be these golf courses at each one of these dream centers, each one of these team challenges these programs to help these men find a way to supply and just support their life, god, through jobs and through programs.
Speaker 1:God that these things are going to take place. God, that these things are already in place. Lord, you're just waiting for the right time, the funding and all these things for them to just to go forth. God, I thank you that these things are straight from the throne room. God, that no man, no woman, no person could come up with these ideas and these things. God, that they're just downloaded from you and to these people to go forth. God, and I thank you for what you're doing.
Speaker 1:Lord, I pray just again for everything that Dream Center is doing, god, everything that Teen Center is doing, god, everything that Teen Challenge is doing and everything that these things that are here designed to help people find healing, to find the right path, to get back on the right path. God, we know that these places are vital and they're important to society, but most important, they're important to the individuals who need them, god. So let these areas in life just prosper, god, let them always be around so people can find place to get healing and freedom. God, we love you for what you're doing. We give you praise, honor and glory in jesus name, amen amen, amen, amen, amen.
Speaker 2:Can you do us a favor, can't? You pray for me and dad and speak life.
Speaker 3:I want to speak life into both of you. Dan it is dan. What's your last name? My dad, eddie. You're actually his dad.
Speaker 2:He's my dad.
Speaker 1:I'm his stepdad, you're his blood father. No, stepdad, but you're his dad.
Speaker 3:He's my dad.
Speaker 2:I've been with him for a long time.
Speaker 3:I want to say one thing before I say that prayer, because it's really important to me to just say more than just a shout out to Ping. Ping has been significant in my life, particularly Alan Solheim, being involved with Karsten back in the day through goods and bads and then through real bads, and then Alan Solheim pouring his heart out to Teen Challenge and Dream Centers and GPS golf programs and schools and Kent Chase School of Golfs. After all of these years of highs and lows, most people in my personal life cut me off big time, Don you're done.
Speaker 3:You are so done, but and I just want to praise the Lord for Alan Solheim, because he's been my accountability for a long time before I kept failing again he still is. He's still a major thing in person in my life. But how in the world could somebody have that much forgiveness? And they truly have what's the most forgiving golf club they truly have known to the world.
Speaker 3:The best golf equipment available to mankind is is pink because karsten invented a different thing, different sweet spot, a way to have it where the sweet spot belongs. Repeatedly, through the set, through amateurs and pros, everybody gets the same perfect clubs. So I just want to say thank you, jesus, thank you, solheim family, for making a significant difference in my life. Jd Hill, you know how much I love you because you were the turning point I needed the most, the pro athlete that's been through it all Amen and understood what it's like to be an athlete in trouble. So praise the Lord.
Speaker 2:All I can when you were saying what would a person and for them to forgive like that Jesus.
Speaker 3:Only.
Speaker 2:Jesus and it's like do you think there's any way possible that Alan Solheim would be interested in coming on and sharing his testimony?
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely Really. He cares. You know what. You make that happen, bud. Wow, you know what's really. We'll do it. I want him on here. Greatest thing in the world is being in his accountability, being a gideon going to the state fair, being able to get bibles to all the people that we can to, to be able to preach to all the people that we can, to be in his car and stop at a place where there's a bunch of homeless people and him to say is anybody hungry? We can go to denny's now and then a lot of them get in and then we go to denny's what do you want? You can order off the menu. And then they order off the menu and they're shocked. And then we get to have. And then he's got gideon bibles and we talk about jesus I love that dude.
Speaker 3:I mean, that's their heart. That's their heart, they run their company. The Father's scripture was Proverbs 3, 5, and 6.
Speaker 1:Amen.
Speaker 3:That's our pastor's scripture.
Speaker 1:Always acknowledge him. He'll make your path straight.
Speaker 3:Because they run their company straight up out of the Bible. Amen.
Speaker 2:That's why it's him, and he'll make it pass Because they run their company straight up out of the Bible. Amen, that's why it's blessed and it's where it's going, Wow. So yes, I'll say it Pray for us, brother, Thanks.
Speaker 3:Kent. Thank you, gentlemen, and Rowdy and I'm going to call you dad, I love that.
Speaker 2:Are you my dad too? It can be, oh, my God. Thank you God.
Speaker 3:Thank you for you guys. You know the best thing, thank you Jesus is being through. Whatever it all means is a lot, because it goes deeper than people really understand, because they don't know what's in our hearts and souls and really what went wrong. But whatever wrong we all know is part of your perfect plan, because you did have a plan for us. And if you didn't have a plan for us, we all know is part of your perfect plan, because you did have a plan for us and if you didn't have a plan for us, we wouldn't be sitting right where you are right now. And God, jesus, just help us to just continue on that trajectory and go forward in life, making a difference in this world, because that's what it's all about Not only just making ourselves better people and figuring out all that so we can live a smooth life, but making a difference and help us be like billy graham, and his idea was how many people can I help find their way to heaven?
Speaker 2:thank, you lord, that's, that's what I want to do.
Speaker 3:That's what I care about. I know that's what both of these people rowdy and and I'm going to call him dad we, we love you, jesus, we love that we are among the chosen ones and we know there's a lot of other chosen ones that are out there waiting for us to find them.
Speaker 1:Thank you.
Speaker 3:Lord. So just help us to make a significant difference in their lives, just like we're doing right now. I hope somebody's hearing this, because maybe even people like me can make a difference in somebody's lives through the power of what seems like a simple thing, like a podcast. My gosh, somebody's out there that needed to hear this thing like a podcast. My gosh, somebody's out there that needed to hear this. And thank you, thank you, jesus, for allowing me a position where I get on some kind of platform where I get to pour my heart and soul that I love you, and all my heart and soul, because I know you are the way, the truth and the life, and if it wasn't for you, none of us would be alive today. And just thank you for this time.
Speaker 1:In jesus name, I pray amen amen can't thank you so much bro wow yeah, rowdy, thank you, appreciate you prophetically speaking, your book number four is going to be.
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Speaker 1:Jesus.
Speaker 3:That is so awesome. Is this on? Is this, is this no?