Stepmum Exhaustion: When You Care Too Much and Carry Too Much

Do you ever feel like you care more about the stepfamily dynamic than everyone else put together?
This episode is for the stepmum who keeps trying to help, steady and protect — and is ending up exhausted. 

There is a particular kind of exhaustion that can happen in stepfamily life when you care deeply, see the gaps clearly, and slowly become the one carrying far more than was ever yours to hold.

If you recognised yourself here, this is exactly the kind of dynamic Katie works through inside Back in Control. You can learn more here:

In this conversation, Katie talks to Amy, a mum of four who later found herself in the stepmother role with a partner whose children brought a very different family system, very different parenting styles, and a level of complexity she had not anticipated. What unfolds is an honest discussion about over-functioning in the stepmother role: stepping in because you care, becoming deeply invested, and then discovering that love, effort and competence do not automatically give you influence.

This episode names something many stepmums live with for years: the painful tension between seeing what feels worrying or unsustainable and having very little real authority to change it. Katie explores this through the lens of the Influence Gap — when something affects you emotionally, mentally and practically, but does not truly belong to you to solve.

It is also a conversation about stepfamily dynamics more broadly: loyalty binds, unclear roles, blended family challenges, and the emotional cost of trying to stabilise a system that is still in chronic adjustment.

If you have ever felt yourself shrinking, overthinking, walking on eggshells, or carrying distress that is not quite yours but still lands on you, this episode will likely feel uncomfortably familiar — and clarifying.

You’ll Learn:

• Why some stepmums become over-responsible in stepfamily dynamics, especially when they are thoughtful, capable and deeply caring
• What Katie means by the Influence Gap, and why naming it can bring immediate relief
• Why stepfamily tension often increases when a stepmum has strong instincts but very little actual authority
• How blended family challenges can leave you walking on eggshells, overthinking everything, and losing yourself in the system
• Why “trying harder” is often not the answer in the stepmother role
• How to begin stepping back without becoming cold, detached or uncaring
• Why acceptance in a stepfamily is not the same as giving up

This episode is for you if you’re a stepmum who:

• feels responsible for dynamics you did not create
 • spends hours thinking about the stepfamily dynamic and how to make it work
 • is walking on eggshells in your own home
 • feels peripheral, over-involved, or emotionally drained by the stepmother role
 • is navigating blended family challenges, loyalty binds or stepfamily resentment
 • keeps trying to help but feels like your effort is not landing, not welcomed, or not changing anything
 • needs clearer language for the difference between caring and over-carrying

This episode speaks directly to common

If you’ve been listening to this + recognising your own situation, but not seeing things change, this is exactly the kind of work I do inside my programme, Back in Control. It’s for stepmums who feel like they’re overthinking, adjusting, or walking on eggshells, and want things to feel calmer + more stable. The next round starts April 17th. More details in the link above, or DM me “CONTROL” on Instagram to talk it through.

Transcript

 Below is the full transcript for this episode of Stepmum Space. 

Transcript

If you are a stepmum who cares deeply, this episode might feel very familiar.

Because sometimes the hardest part isn’t not caring. It’s caring so much that you start carrying problems that were never really yours to hold.

You see the gaps. You see what isn’t working. You try to help, steady things, support people, protect everyone. And slowly, you end up exhausted.

This conversation is about that line so many stepmums struggle with — the line between caring and over-carrying.

And if you’ve been feeling overwhelmed by things that affect you deeply but aren’t fully in your control, stay with us. Because this is exactly the kind of dynamic that can keep a stepmum stuck for years.

I’m Katie South, and this is Stepmum Space — the judgement-free zone where we talk candidly about the fairy tales and the scary tales of stepmum life.

So whether you’ve been a stepmum for years, you’re just starting out, or you want to understand the stepmum in your life a bit better, this is the place for you.

My guest today is Amy.

Amy is a mum of four who later found herself navigating stepfamily life when she met her partner, who had two children of his own.

In this conversation we talk about what happens when you enter stepfamily life with a lot of care, a lot of experience, and a genuine desire to help — and how complicated things can become when the roles inside that family aren’t always clear.

Let’s get into it.

Katie

So Amy, welcome.

Amy

Thank you for inviting me. I’m pleased to be here. I’m really looking forward to chatting to you today.

And when I sent my voice note, I was really impressed by your raising of four children basically single-handedly.

Katie

Do you want to tell us a little bit about your family?

Amy

Yeah, definitely.

Thank you. Not a lot of people say they’re impressed, although I suppose it is quite impressive raising four kids.

I’ve got four children — two boys and two girls.

I had my first baby at 18. She’s 24 in a few weeks, so we grew up together really.

Then I had my son a couple of years later with the same dad. But again, we were very young. He wasn’t ready to be a parent or really a partner. So we parted ways and there was never any parental responsibility or involvement from him in their upbringing.

They didn’t even have his name. They were my babies.

Later I met someone else, got married, and had two more children with him.

So he did take on a stepdad role in a way, but never fully. There was always a real divide.

Long story short, that marriage didn’t work out — that being one of the reasons why.

Since then I’ve had other relationships, but I’ve always been fully responsible for all four children and accountable for how they’ve turned out, good or bad.

So yeah, that’s me and my four.

Katie

It’s interesting you say you feel accountable for how they turn out.

Because what often happens with women is if something goes wrong with the children, you blame yourselves. But if something goes well with the children, you congratulate them.

Amy

Yes, that’s true.

But they’ve all achieved well. My youngest is 17 and my eldest is nearly 24. They’re all really good people.

So some of that is on them, but I suppose I have to take some credit too.

Katie

Good for you.

And the story obviously didn’t stop there with the children in your life. So talk us through what happened next.

Amy

About five years ago I met someone at work.

He actually worked for me, which was a bit of an HR nightmare.

We started out as friends. He was a member of my team, so I knew he had two children who lived with him about 50% of the time.

That was about the extent of what I knew at first.

Then about three years ago we started working more closely together, and eventually our relationship became romantic.

He’s a really lovely guy. As we got to know each other better, I learned more about his family situation.

One thing that struck me — listening to other episodes of your podcast — is that many stepmums don’t have biological children of their own when they enter stepfamily life.

Looking back now, I wonder if that might sometimes make things easier.

Because when he would tell me things about how he handled situations with his children, I sometimes found myself thinking, I wouldn’t have done it that way.

And if you already have your own parenting experience, it’s hard not to notice those differences.

Katie

Were those early warning signs — the amber flags — appearing when you were still friends, or when you were already a couple?

Amy

Probably both, in hindsight.

For example, during COVID when we were all working from home, I’d see him getting frustrated with the kids while we were on Zoom calls.

I’d say, “Just go and sort them out. We can continue the meeting later.”

He struggled with juggling work and parenting.

But the bigger issue I noticed later was his fear of upsetting his ex-wife.

He often said they co-parented really well, but what I saw was more that he was very careful not to challenge her because he feared she might restrict his access to the children.

That’s something I now realise is very common in stepfamily situations.

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Closing

If this conversation brought something up for you, that might be worth paying attention to.

Because many stepmums spend years trying harder, carrying more, and blaming themselves for dynamics they didn’t create.

You don’t have to keep doing that alone.

If you want deeper support with patterns like this, Back in Control is where I help stepmums work through exactly these dynamics — with more clarity and less self-blame.

You’ll find the link in the show notes.

I’ll be back next week with another new episode.

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If you are a stepmum who cares deeply, this episode might feel very familiar.

Because sometimes the hardest part isn’t not caring. It’s caring so much that you start carrying problems that were never really yours to hold.

You see the gaps. You see what isn’t working. You try to help, steady things, support people, protect everyone. And slowly, you end up exhausted.

This conversation is about that line so many stepmums struggle with — the line between caring and over-carrying.

And if you’ve been feeling overwhelmed by things that affect you deeply but aren’t fully in your control, stay with us. Because this is exactly the kind of dynamic that can keep a stepmum stuck for years.

I’m Katie South, and this is Stepmum Space — the judgement-free zone where we talk candidly about the fairy tales and scary tales of stepmum life.

So whether you’ve been a stepmum for years, you’re just starting out, or you want to understand the stepmum in your life a bit better, this is the place for you.

My guest today is Amy.

Amy is a mum of four who later found herself navigating stepfamily life when she met her partner, who had two children of his own.

In this conversation, we talk about what happens when you enter stepfamily life with a lot of care, a lot of experience, and a genuine desire to help — and how complicated things can become when the roles inside that family aren’t always clear.

Let’s get into it.

Katie

So Amy, welcome.

Amy

Thank you for inviting me. I’m pleased to be here.

Katie

I’m really looking forward to chatting to you today. And when I got your voice note, I was really impressed by your raising of four children basically single-handedly.

So do you want to tell us a little bit about your family?

Amy

Yeah, definitely. Thank you.

Not a lot of people say they’re impressed, although I suppose it is quite impressive raising four kids.

I’ve got four children — two boys, two girls. I had my first baby at 18. She’s 24 in a few weeks, so we grew up together really.

Then I had my son a couple of years later. Same dad, but again, we were very young. He wasn’t ready to be a parent or even really a partner, I would say. So we parted ways and there was never any parental responsibility, never any involvement from him in their upbringing or anything. They didn’t have his name or anything. They were my babies.

Then I met someone else, got married, and had two children with him. So he did take on the stepdad role in a way, but never fully. There was always a real divide.

Long story short, that marriage didn’t work out, that being one of the reasons why.

Whilst I have had other relationships since, I’ve always been fully responsible for all four children and accountable, I suppose, for how they’ve turned out, good or bad.

So yeah, that’s me and my four.

Katie

Well, it’s funny because you say that you are accountable for how they turn out, whether they’re good or bad. But what tends to happen with women is if something goes wrong with the children, you blame yourselves. But if something goes well with the children, you congratulate them.

Amy

Yes. Yeah.

And they’ve all achieved. My youngest is 17 and, like I said, the eldest is nearly 24, and they’re all really good people.

So yes, some of that’s on them, but I suppose I have to take some credit for that myself as well.

Katie

Good for you.

And the story obviously didn’t stop there with the children in your life, so talk us through what happened next.

Amy

About five years ago I met someone at work. He actually worked for me, which was a bit of an HR nightmare, I suppose.

But we met as friends to start with. He was a member of my team, so I was aware of his children, as you do when you’ve got someone in your team. Sometimes they’ll say, “Oh, I can’t make that meeting, I’ve got a school run,” or, “I’ve got to take some time off because one of the kids is ill,” or whatever.

So I was aware that he had two sons who lived with him 50% of the time. That was probably the extent of what I knew. I knew that one was at high school, one was at primary school, but nothing too in-depth about them because at that point he was just a member of my team.

Three years ago we started working even closer together, and then I was leaving the business. I was handing things over to him. We were talking more, getting more involved with each other, and it became a romantic relationship, which was really nice.

He’s a really lovely guy and I got to know more about his family, obviously, and his set-up.

One of the big things that jumps out when I listen to other episodes of the podcast is how many stepmums that engage with Stepmum Space don’t actually have biological children of their own. They go in as a stepmum into their first real parenting role.

In hindsight, when I look back now, I think, is that better?

Because obviously when he would say things to me about his children, in those early days of a relationship, you don’t want to step on toes or anything. So you nod along and say, “Oh, that sounds great.” But I would sometimes think, “Oh, that isn’t how I would do it.”

Whereas I think if you don’t already have biological children, there isn’t that prerequisite. You don’t know how you’d handle it, so I suppose you’re in a different headspace. But for me, those early conversations, I used to think, “Oh, is that the right decision that you’re making there about your children?” Or that kind of thing.

Katie

And the amber flags that were coming up for you — was that when you were friends or when you were a couple?

Amy

Probably a bit of both in hindsight.

But I think obviously when we were just friends, it was kind of like, well, you’ve got to deal with the consequences of those decisions.

I think sometimes I would see him getting quite frustrated. So this was COVID times, so everybody was doing everything via Zoom or Teams. And I would see that he would go on mute and then you could see him saying something off camera, and he was clearly getting quite annoyed with his children.

And I’d be saying to him, “Just go and sort them out, it’s fine. We’ll continue this meeting a bit later. Go and sort out what you need to do.”

And he’d get quite frustrated by it. I don’t think he juggled the parenting and working bit too well in COVID, and we were all in a strange situation where there was no judgement.

But then as we started to get to know each other better, he would say things like, “I co-parent really well with my ex-wife. We get on really well.” He even took a day off to go to her wedding when she got remarried to somebody else.

And then, as we did get together as a couple, it became obvious, if you like, that his sole focus was making sure that the children were okay. And that’s perfectly fine. That’s how you would expect it to be.

But there was almost a fear that if he didn’t go along with how the ex-wife wanted things — like his presence at her wedding, or him having the children when she wanted him to — he was worried she would stop him seeing the children.

Which again, I know is a very common theme when listening to episodes of your podcast, but also other interactions I’ve had with stepmums. There is always this almost fear of the biological mum stopping things, being the dictator in the relationship.

So that was probably a red flag prior to us getting together, and it just became more apparent when we became a couple, I think.

Katie

God. So how did it play out then from when you got together?

Amy

So the biggest challenge that we had when we got together was the fact that we actually lived a hundred miles apart.

I used to travel a lot for work, which is how we got more engaged with each other, if you like. But he lived a hundred miles away from where I live. Obviously I’ve got a very established household with all four of my grown-up children still living at home, but it’s a different challenge.

So we had that challenge, and that was always a concern for him because he had his children 50% of the time. And in fact, in hindsight, it was more than 50%, because there would often be times where his ex would say, “Can you keep the kids an extra night because I need to do this?” or “I need to do that.”

So it often panned out that he was actually having them more than 50%.

So he was always very nervous of our relationship getting too in-depth because of the distance between us and the impact that would have.

Katie

And in terms of neither of you wanting to uproot and move your lives because of your respective children.

Amy

Exactly that.

I own my home as well, so that was another factor. Whereas he was in a rented property. So realistically, logistically, it would have been easier for him to make the move because of property and so on.

But also, yes, we both had established lives where we were.

As we got together and things were progressing and it was more than just a casual relationship, we’d fallen in love. We wanted to be together more.

I was spending more time there because obviously my children are older and could fend for themselves, if you like. So it started to look like I would maybe move down there at some point, and that wasn’t necessarily an issue for me. Or I would spend 50% of my time in both places. We were looking at all sorts of options.

It was never written in the stars that he would make the move away from his children. That was never a plan that we had.

Katie

And how long had you guys been together at this point when you were talking about moving in together?

Amy

Probably about a year.

I think things had gone on for about a year and we were thinking — the job that I was doing was changing, so for me the travel maybe wouldn’t take me there as much. We’d have to engineer it more rather than it just naturally happening.

So we were talking about how much we enjoyed spending time together.

At that point I was spending time with his children as well, because they were with him so much. That was very early on, probably four or five months into the relationship, I started spending time at their home with them and him in their environment, and there wasn’t a massive issue at that point.

Again, I think the biggest challenge for me has been the difference in parenting styles that I’ve seen, and we’ve almost got three in the mix.

So there’s my parenting style, which rightly or wrongly I feel is almost sort of proven. I’ve raised four children, this is the situation they’re in, this is how it’s panned out, this is how I’ve approached things.

Then there’s my partner’s parenting style, which again doesn’t necessarily directly align with mine, but more because we think differently, not necessarily because I’m right and he’s wrong. I’m a very strategic, operational person. He’s very procedural. He likes process. It’s just a different way of approaching things. We’re the same at work as we are at home.

But then in the mix as well was obviously his ex’s parenting style, which was completely different to both of ours.

And that’s where I think cracks started to show really, as we were more involved in each other’s lives.

His children now are 18 and 13. So at the time, when we first got together, they were 14 or 15 and 10. Very different ages, different personalities.

And when I met my partner, he introduced me to his two sons. At the time, the older one, who was 14 or 15, is diagnosed with autism, so quite reserved. Didn’t spend a lot of time with us, liked to be in his room, in his own space.

But the time that he did spend with us, we would have a laugh with each other. We got along. He met my children and got along okay with them. Again, a bit older, a bit more grown-up conversation, a bit of banter, that kind of thing. They all got on quite well.

The younger child had started to express a desire to change gender and said, “I don’t feel like a boy. I want to be recognised as a girl.”

Again, at that point my personal opinions I kept to myself and said, “I’ll support whatever is needed. If we are going to start calling him she, that’s fine. I’ll embrace that. Just let me know what decisions you and mum make and I’ll support that in any way that I can.”

But again, this is where another problem came in.

Mum made the decision that, okay, you’re starting high school — and let’s say these conversations started in July or August — my partner’s daughter, as we now refer to her, started high school in the September as a girl. And that decision was made by mum, who took her out and bought a girl’s uniform. And we were just told, “This is it. She’s now presenting as a girl.”

And that for me was probably the first point that I really said, if I’m going to be involved in your lives, this cannot happen.

These huge, life-changing decisions cannot be made by one parent or the other without research, without consideration for the future, without considering what impacts this will have on other family members and on the child themselves.

No conversations were had with the school particularly, and for me the approach was all wrong.

And that was the point where I think I really started to struggle with the stepmum role. Up until that point it had been quite hands-off. It had been quite going out shopping on a weekend, braiding hair before bed, brushing hair, that kind of thing. Not big, life-changing decisions that we were not involved in. That really didn’t sit well with me.

Katie

And I guess before we start, I have to say I’ve got no real direct experience of children changing the way they present or the pronouns they want to use, so I will ask for forgiveness if I get it wrong.

Amy

No, that’s fine. You’re still learning as well, don’t worry.

Katie

So am I right from what you’re saying? The child who was introduced to you as the son started talking in the July about wanting to present as a girl, and by September that was it, done?

Amy

Yes.

Katie

Okay. It’s so hard to know, isn’t it? I guess those feelings that she had had been there for a long time?

Amy

Yes.

So this child had always been described as dramatic, theatrical, tantrumed quite a lot. And I would agree that at 10 years old the behaviours displayed were lots of frustration, very emotional, very clearly uncomfortable with themself in some way.

So there were questions around — is it a sexuality issue? Is there early awareness of sexuality? That kind of thing.

And then I think in hindsight, post-transition now that everyone refers to her as a girl — and if I’m honest with you, she’s 13 now and presents as a girl fully, and if you met her I don’t think you would know that she was actually born a boy — so I think at the moment things are probably easier than they could be in the future.

But obviously I wasn’t around when she was a young child. From a very young age she would always like to go into the dressing-up box and pick out a princess costume rather than a Robin Hood costume or a pirate or whatever. Always liked to clomp around in mum’s shoes and things like that.

Which, if I think back to my children being young, my sons used to do that as well. Pop my shoes on and wander around in them. One of my sons had a doll’s pram and a doll and he used to say it was his baby and take it everywhere with him. And I never thought that was the sort of behaviour that meant that one day he might want to transition into a female.

But I think now that they are looking back, they are saying that from quite a young age she was more comfortable presenting differently and always had what they refer to as a feminine edge.

Katie

Well, there’s such a lot to unpack in there.

And I guess the first thing I’m thinking — one of my sons went through a phase of wanting to wear a skirt. So I was like, “Yes, you can wear a skirt if you want.” Didn’t give it a second thought that it might be about how they wanted to present, because the next week he wanted to be a dog and we had to call him Bingo, and he ate his cereal out of a bowl on the floor.

But it is hard, isn’t it, to know how much to be led by the child? And in things like changing your gender, I guess it’s something that’s harder to experiment with.

And again, I’m really conscious of saying the wrong thing, so apologies if I am. I’m learning as I go on this.

When she decided she wanted to transition, did your partner’s ex talk to him about the implications on their child’s future and the choices that she would be making?

Amy

No. And that is my biggest problem with it.

So at that point they still had what they would call a healthy co-parenting relationship. I think it was incredibly unhealthy, but again that’s just opinion.

At that point they still communicated. The children were still with my partner 50% of the time, so he still lived there.

So spoiler alert — he no longer lives a hundred miles away. He lives with me now, which is a later part of the story. But at that point it was still exactly the same. So they still communicated constantly.

But there was never a sit-down conversation or a “how I would have approached it”.

Sometimes I suppose I’m a bit too businesslike with things, but with this I would have got all of the adults involved — or at least mum and dad — around a table looking at what the implications were.

Because, like I say, it was months before they actually went into school and sat down with the school to discuss it. And that only came off the back of a behaviour problem that was occurring with this child in school.

So they were called in to discuss it, and then they brought another teacher in to discuss it. And that teacher wasn’t actually aware that the child was trans. And that for me was again a big red flag.

And that starts triggering in my mind — these are the people that should know. How do they address this situation? Which toilets does she use at school? How is she protected when she’s getting changed for PE? And all of these questions start running through my mind.

And again, I appreciate my mind works very differently to my partner’s, or clearly to his ex-wife’s, but by that point their relationship had started to break down because I was pointing things out that I think they should have considered.

My partner was relaying them to his ex-wife. She didn’t like the challenge that she felt she was coming up against, and so their relationship started to break down.

Then he would defend it to me. She would say, “I know it’s just her asking all these things.” She didn’t want a relationship with me by that point. She wasn’t interested in what I had to offer. She wanted it back how it was, where ex-husband did everything she said, when she said, and everything that she wanted happened the way that she wanted it. And she’d lost control of that.

So that had started to break down.

All of these things would come out in a really piecemeal way.

So his daughter would come home and say, “I want to go on this school trip and it will cost X amount, so I need this amount of money from dad.” Or an email would come out. And that was because mum and dad weren’t communicating very well.

So a lot of it went through the child, which again bothered me.

And then my mind would immediately go, right, this is a residential trip. Where is this child going to sleep? She can’t sleep with the girls, can’t sleep with the boys. Where is she going? Where will the changing facilities be? Which toilets will she use? How will she be accommodated? And so on.

And they didn’t communicate about that. They didn’t have that conversation. It didn’t enter their heads.

And that’s where it started to cause friction between my partner and me, because I felt like I was constantly challenging and thinking of all of the things they didn’t.

They didn’t take her to the doctors when she said, “I want to transition to be a girl.” Neither of them thought, right, let’s go and see the GP. Neither of them understood that it was something that would need professional input, that she would need hormones, that they’d need to start the process now before puberty.

And for me that, and the breakdown in their relationship, meant that then neither of them were communicating with each other about decisions being made. And that’s where it all, over the last couple of years, has really unravelled quite negatively because of that.

Katie

And all those things around taking puberty blockers — I mean, I know it’s quite a high-profile topic at the moment. At what age can you decide? At what age should you decide? What are the implications? Can you go back? All of those really, really tricky questions.

So you would think even at the most basic level you would want to be sitting with your child and both their parents and having a really honest conversation with a professional about what this means.

Because with young children, no child thinks about the long-term implications of the decisions that they might be making. And that’s not to minimise the experience of anyone going through anything like this. It’s really just to say, make the decisions with the facts in mind, particularly when it’s something like that for a child.

So I guess the thing I’m curious about is, at the point that all this started to happen, you’d known the kids a little while, but you felt pretty invested in the situation?

Amy

Yes, definitely.

I think one of the key things is that my partner and I are completely different people. I know they say opposites attract, but we have so many differences in our approach, in our ways of thinking, in our life goals, in our ambition.

Everything probably about us is quite different, but we just work and we got on so well from the minute that we met.

And I think that I’ve had three really key relationships in my life, and this is the strongest one. This is the one that I can see going the distance.

This is the one where I can see I have no fear of the future, where the children have grown up and are doing their own thing and they only come when they need us to cook a Sunday lunch or borrow some money or all the things that happen as children grow up.

I’m not sat thinking, “Oh no, what is it going to be like when it’s just the two of us?” Whereas in past relationships I have had that in my mind. If I thought about the future with my ex-husband, even when I was married to him, the thought of not having the children as the distraction and all the other things in your life…

Whereas with my partner now, he’s the person that I will be with for the rest of my life and that I can see myself retired with and having nice holidays with.

So for me I was invested really early because I’ve not connected with anybody else like that.

So yes, I was invested really early on and I am absolutely determined that any challenges we have from our children — and I don’t just mean his children, my children as well, or any of the family members, or his ex-wife, or anybody, any outside influence — will not split us up.

If we ever split up, it will be because we’ve made that decision based on something in our relationship.

And that’s really helped. The last couple of years have been incredibly challenging with all of this going on and other things, and we’ve got through it and we’re going to get through it.

So yes, I was invested early on despite all of these challenges.

And even invested in the child. It would have been maybe easier on me to just say, “Well, that’s for him and the mum to figure out. I’m not touching that.”

Katie

Yes, and I think that’s where the difference between having your own children when you enter into this stepmum role maybe kicks in.

Amy

Because not everyone has a maternal instinct.

If you’d asked me when I was younger whether I thought I was a natural mum, I probably would have said no. When my first child was born, as much as I liked babies and things like that, I was 18. I didn’t have a natural maternal instinct.

But I think over the years I’ve come out of it thinking this is something I’m quite good at actually. I can apply everything I know and my way of thinking to a solution to every problem that we’ve overcome as a family.

So I think that maternal instinct did kick in regardless of whether it’s your child or not.

One controversial thing that I believe as a stepmum is I don’t think you do have to love your stepchildren, and I don’t think that comes naturally to people.

When I see or hear a stepmum saying, “We treat them all the same. I love them all the same, whether they’re my biological children or not,” that’s great, but for me that isn’t the case.

I obviously wouldn’t want any harm to come to my stepchildren and I’m very proud of what they achieve, but I don’t have the same love for them as I do for my children. And I wouldn’t expect my partner to have the same love for my children as he does for his own.

I just think that’s almost a primal thing.

But ultimately for me, at the heart of all of this situation is a child who has clearly had lots of confusion, lots of conflicting feelings, lots of change go on in her life. Not just around this transition, but in the past — mum and dad splitting up, mum remarrying, mum’s had another child, there are problems with her older brother, there’s lots of change.

Dad then moved away to live with me, and I suppose in a child’s eyes, that’s how black and white it was. Dad used to live here near me and now he lives there with her.

So I understand all of that and I take all of that into account.

And for me, the important thing is that she comes out of this experience happy and healthy, because that’s all I’ve wanted for my children and that’s all I want for anybody’s children really — that they are as happy as they can be and as healthy as they can be.

And I worry that that isn’t going to be the case. That she’s either going to come through it healthy but be unhappy, or vice versa, or not achieve either of those things.

Katie

You know, you’ve hit on such a classic stepmum problem that we come across all the time, which is women who are over-functioning as a stepmum, caring a bit too much, getting a bit too involved — as in it’s causing you a lot of emotional stress to get involved to this level.

You’re doing it because you care, but actually the only person benefiting is potentially the child, but maybe not, because what you’re saying might not get through anyway because of mum and dad.

So putting yourself through that, it sounds like a lot.

So what else has gone on in the past couple of years?

Amy

Quite a lot actually, now that you’re saying it like that.

So my partner’s older son, like I said, has autism and difficulty controlling his emotions. So he gets quite angry.

And when we first met, there were some problems with him at school in that he would get angry. He spent a lot of time in an isolation space because he couldn’t regulate his temper.

I think he would have really benefited from socialising more.

My children are very sociable creatures, to the point where sometimes you’re just like, leave me alone and let me have some time. They are very chatty. They will talk to anyone whether they know them or not and can engage well. They could as children and they definitely can as adults.

Whereas my partner’s children struggle with that, still struggle with that.

I get that situations are different. My household has always been busy. It’s always been the hub of the family. Whereas they’ve been in a different environment, so that might be an impact.

When it came to him leaving school, he actually moved in with his dad full-time at that point because he was more comfortable there. He had his own space, his own bedroom. At mum’s, he was sharing with his sibling who was transitioning to female. So it was a very difficult situation around that.

So he moved in full-time with dad, left school, started college. Day one of college, probably an hour into the first lesson, he rang mum and dad and said, “I don’t like this. I’m coming home,” and didn’t go back to college at all.

It was mum and dad’s decision that he didn’t have to go to college because he didn’t like the environment.

Again, at that point, very early days in our relationship, I was asking probing questions like, “Do you think that’s the best thing for him? What is he going to do instead?”

But again, mum and dad still communicated at that point.

We got a few months down the line and nothing had progressed. He hadn’t gone back to college, hadn’t found a job, wasn’t doing anything, not an apprenticeship, becoming more and more withdrawn, probably to the point of being depressed.

He was encouraged to get a job. I still had quite a good relationship with him at this point. I could still talk to him. I helped him brush up his CV, all the practical things. Wrote his cover letter with him, encouraged him to apply for jobs, sent links for jobs he could apply for or apprenticeships or whatever was appropriate.

And he managed to land a Christmas temp job in a shop. After a second shift he came home. I was at home with his dad and he said, “They’ve said actually it’s not as busy as we thought, so we don’t need you any more.”

So the temp job’s ended, and it’s like, oh no, that’s a shame. I’m surprised because it’s Christmas and it’s a very well-known retail store. It will be busy.

So something didn’t quite add up. It didn’t seem right.

So I left it a couple of weeks, thought he might get something else. Nothing happened.

So I said to dad, “I’m not convinced that’s what happened. I’m going to ring the store and ask them if that’s what happened.”

So dad agreed, and crucially mum agreed. He spoke to mum and mum said, “Yes, okay.”

So I did that. I rang the store, pretended I was a prospective employer, and said, “He said he worked for you for a few weeks. Can you tell me how he did?”

And they said, “No, actually that isn’t what happened. He got angry at a situation and stormed out of the shop. We never saw him again.”

So dad and I sat him down to discuss that with him, and he absolutely lost the plot. He was so angry.

And unfortunately that was the unwinding of his relationship with his dad, because he felt challenged and he felt disrespected.

And I was the problem then, at that point.

Katie

And I mean, I guess in that situation there will be people listening thinking, okay, well that’s an overstep for a stepmum to make that call. Should that have been a parent thing to do?

Amy

Yes, no, I absolutely agree. And that’s why I suggested it. And then they both agreed, “Yes, that’s a good idea. Let’s find out what happened.”

And then out of the conversation it came out, “Yes, you do it,” which I did.

And again, you are right — throughout this story there were probably a lot of overstepped conversations or things that have happened, because like I say, mum and dad, I just feel like neither of them will take the step.

And I think the overriding problem in this stepparent relationship for me is that I do challenge, but nobody else in the family, or either part of it, do.

That’s where mum’s never been challenged by my partner because he’s not a naturally challenging person. And in turn, the children have never been challenged by either of them.

Katie

Do you think it makes your life more difficult though, to take that approach?

Because it’s really well documented that women who have specific ideas about how children should be raised can find this role so challenging, because you do have a big responsibility but none of the authority. The roles of what you’re there to do and what you’re not there to do are really ambiguous. So that can be really difficult.

So was there ever any point where you thought, do you know what, this is causing me a lot of hassle, I’m just going to leave these kids to turn out how their parents want them to turn out and be grateful that my four are okay?

Amy

Yes, we’re at that point now, I would say.

So the last probably six months, maybe, that is where I am. I don’t get involved.

Obviously my partner and I will have conversations and I will give him my opinion or how I would approach it, but I don’t get involved.

So if we fast-forward to today, where the situation is now, my partner has no relationship with his eldest son.

Because after the situation that I just described, mum completely went back on it and said, “Yes, you’re right. She was out of order to do that. I back you, son, and dad and Amy are in the wrong.”

And that really was the end of my trying to help, because I thought if I’m not going to be backed up and dad’s not going to be backed up, what’s the point? Let her deal with that situation.

So unfortunately dad is still trying to rebuild that relationship, and I think as his son is getting older there are chinks of light where maybe that relationship will rebuild.

But his daughter now spends every other weekend with us and then time in the holidays.

But I very much leave dad to parent. Obviously if I’m cooking a meal for the family, I cook for the family. If we’re going out somewhere specific and she’s with us, I’ll engage with her. But it is very surface level now. Very surface level.

And that’s difficult for me as an individual because I think I do have a very direct approach to things. But that is the only way that we can get through this time, I think, because my involvement, whilst appreciated by dad, isn’t appreciated by mum, and I don’t want to make that situation any worse.

They’re starting to rebuild their communication. But in the background I can see that things are not progressing with his daughter’s transition as well as they could. She’s being allowed to make decisions about things that I think will impact her in the future as an adult.

But I’m very much just taking a back seat now and, like you said, letting it play out and letting mum and dad deal with it, because the stress to myself that you mentioned earlier — yes, it’s hard.

I think mum still would be trying to say to him, “You can’t walk out of every job or every college.”

I feel like now we are very understanding of people’s mental health and people’s anxieties, and that’s brilliant, but I feel like we are not teaching our young people how to be resilient in life.

Katie

I absolutely agree. And as somebody who employs quite a lot of young people, we’re seeing that as well, just across the board. So it’s not just about parent-child relationships or stepparent relationships, I think it’s across the board. You are absolutely right.

Amy

And that for me has always been my goal really, I suppose — that they will get the best out of life that they can, because I just think you only get one life.

We get to our ages and think, “Oh, if I’d done this differently in the past, or I’d had this person pushing me, I’d be happier,” or whatever.

Like I say, happiness and health have got to be the two key things for me. So that has always been the focus.

It’s always come from a good place, but I completely misunderstood the reality of being a stepmum. I think it is the hardest job.

I always used to say being a parent is difficult, but I think being a stepmum is just totally different.

Katie

Totally. And I think it’s even harder if you’re somebody who really cares, because if you’re in a situation where your stepkids have got a great mum, a great dad, actually you get to be the sort of fun-auntie type role, which is the dream, right?

Amy

Absolutely. That is what I would love to be in the situation of.

And then when you are in a situation like a lot of the women who come to me, and they’ll be saying, “I can see with my stepkids too much screen time, too much rubbish food, not enough getting outside, not enough chores and responsibility…”

I sound like a right wicked stepmum witch person now, but life is difficult sometimes. And we have to equip our young people with the skills to get through that.

My first job — I’ll tell you how old I am now — I worked in a shoe shop for £1.78 an hour in the height of summer. It was disgusting. All these scummy, sweaty feet. But I did it and I was really proud of the money that I earned.

And I really think you have to do those things in life.

So I am quite passionate about kids having chores. And I don’t mean Cinderella, sweep the floor. And actually, I don’t necessarily mean for my stepdaughter, I mean for my biological children who are here all the time.

One of the things — they’re only seven and nine — but one of the basic things is like unload the dishwasher in the morning.

And the other day my daughter comes down, she’s seven, and I was ironing and we were chatting. Then after a little while I said, “Can you unload the dishwasher please, darling?”

She went, “Well, why can’t you do it?”

I said, “Well, I’m ironing.”

And she said, “Why can’t you do it afterwards?”

I said, “Because I’ve got other things to do.”

And she went, “Well, why do I have to do everything?”

We were having this discussion. She said, “You don’t have to do everything.”

I said anyway, part of the thing is I have to teach you how to do some of these things so that when you’re older and you’ve got your own house, you know how to do them.

She said, “Don’t worry, I’ll just get my kids to do them like you get us to do everything.”

And I was talking to a friend about it later and I was like, am I being too harsh? And she was like, no.

Nowadays, sometimes I think we’ve gone too far the other way, that we are just like, children don’t have to do anything.

And it is true.

I think the thing is, everything revolves around them when they’re really young, and you can understand how that evolves. We tell them, you’re a princess, you’re mummy’s little prince, you are this, you are that. You can understand why they get themselves on that pedestal.

And I think you have to — knock them off is probably the wrong term — but make them understand that is not the only way. They’ll get back on a pedestal if they get themselves there, if they build themselves up to that or achieve or do all of these things.

And this is where it comes in, that my kids are grown up. They’ve got careers or they’re at university, one’s just doing A-levels, and they’ve all got A-levels.

I’m not saying that I think his son should have gone to college, but his son should be doing something. And he’s still now, two years on, 18, doesn’t have a job, hasn’t gone to college, hasn’t done anything, but lives with mum full-time.

And again, it gets to the point where it’s like, that’s not my problem then.

I tried to help at that point. Like I say, I did CVs, wrote cover letters, helped with interview techniques, mock interviews, things like that, because that’s my wheelhouse. I can help with that.

And it wasn’t received in the right way. Maybe it wasn’t delivered in the right way. I don’t know. Now I can reflect on it.

But I did the same things there that I did with my children.

What I forget, I suppose, is that he’d already had 16 years of this influence, not 16 years of my influence. So it landed differently, I suppose.

And I think that’s the biggest struggle for me as a stepmum. It’s like going into a new job and having to pick up what somebody else’s approach has been and how they’ve done it and try to redo it.

And like you said, that’s not my job. That’s not what I’m here for.

So now my support is very much — I emotionally support my partner and I try to give practical advice where I can.

I still do have stress in the back of my head because I see things happening and unravelling, and I can almost sort of see the writing on the wall, especially for his daughter, because I know that she’s got big challenges ahead in terms of transitioning from male to female.

I know other male-to-female adults who’ve had that transition and had that challenge, and I just think if mum and dad were not equipped to discuss it and make a decision or help her make a decision when she was a child, how are they going to handle it when she’s actually an adult and needs more?

She’s going to need emotional support, financial support, potentially physical support if she has surgery and that kind of thing. And how are they going to equip themselves to deal with that?

And that’s where my stress now is because I think I can’t influence it any more. I’ve done what I can, I think.

Katie

And one of the things that I work with a lot of women on is what I call the Influence Gap.

It’s the gap where there’s something that has a huge impact on you — either mentally, emotionally or practically — but you actually don’t have any control over it.

So you have no control over how mum talks to her daughter about all of this stuff. And almost the more you consume yourself with worrying about it, the harder you will make life for yourself.

But it’s a really, really difficult step for a lot of women to make, to say, “I’m going to accept that that’s not mine to carry.”

With a lot of the women we work with, we say, “That’s not your situation. Put that bag down, because that is not yours to carry.”

And it’s hard. But recognising that can actually be incredibly freeing for you.

Amy

Yes, definitely. And I am much further along in that journey than I was.

I do think we as a couple would benefit from therapy around that, around how it impacts me, because I think he doesn’t identify the frustrations quite so readily unless I directly say to him, “This frustrates me about how you approach this with this child,” or “Why haven’t you thought about this?”

So that is something that I’m considering, but it’s when is the right time? Because I feel like if we have therapy now as a couple about this situation, we’re going to need it again in a year because so much will change in that time. And then again.

So it might be that it’s a constant need, but like I say, I’m so invested in this relationship that’s not a problem for me.

Because it is a very unique situation. It’s not a standard stepparent situation because there is this additional layer with his daughter transitioning.

And again, I don’t have a problem with it at all, and I’m very supportive of being who you want to be.

And if I’m honest, on reflection, she’s a much happier child now than when I first met her. She was a ball of frustration. That’s why she was getting into trouble at school. She was struggling with mum and dad. We would frequently get calls from mum on mum’s time saying, “You need to come and pick this child up because there’s been a kick-off,” or “There’s been an upset,” or “I’ve been in a shopping centre and she’s run away,” because there were real behaviour issues. And that was born from frustration of not knowing who she was, not being comfortable in her own skin, all of those things.

So I think now she’s actually a happier child than she was.

But there is another layer to this. We’ve not nailed the blending of the family at all. This is a completely non-blended family in any shape or form.

And that for me now is the bit that does impact me, because every other weekend when she spends time here, it’s so difficult to try and do anything collectively.

Like I say, my kids are very sociable, and yes, they have their own lives. They’re at work or they’re out doing whatever they’re doing. But when they are here, everyone really chats.

We had a family holiday abroad in August, and it was very much my partner and his daughter.

So that’s the next phase, I think. That’s where we probably need to look for some help or some support, because that gap is just not bridging.

Even though nearly two years we’ve lived together and she’s been interacting with my kids every other week and holidays for that length of time, there is no connection at all.

Katie

Do you think you’re putting too much pressure on yourself?

Amy

Maybe.

Because I would say 99% of the time it doesn’t impact anything really. It just makes me sad that when she’s here, she’s in a room most of the time. She will take a meal up there if she’s allowed to.

And it just makes me sad because it makes me sad for them as well as dad and daughter.

They go off — she’s got a couple of activities that she likes to do that we’ve introduced her to — and they go off and do those on a weekend and that’s great. They have that time.

But it’s a two-hour car journey from where she lives to here, and she sits with AirPods in on her iPad and he has an AirPod in listening to a podcast for two hours, and their relationship isn’t great.

And then it makes me sad that when she’s here, there’s no relationship here either.

It is a pressure maybe — not because I’m putting pressure on myself to improve that — but it does make me sad that that is the case.

Katie

Definitely. Yes, and she’s missing out on the opportunity to have a really loving extended family in your children, albeit not sharing biology, but there is still the opportunity to have that.

Amy

Massively. Yes, definitely.

And whilst there is a slight age gap, there are still crossovers. We can still play games together, and sometimes she does, but the minute the game has ended, she leaves the room and there’s no chit-chat. It’s like strangers.

And that’s the bit that I find quite sad for her as well, because she doesn’t get that at home either. Her older brother keeps himself tucked away. She’s then got a younger brother with mum’s new husband. They don’t do a lot of interaction there.

So that, I suppose, is the one thing that is quite sad. She’s missing out, I think.

Katie

Do you enjoy the weekends when she comes to stay with you?

Amy

Not particularly, no.

I feel a bit on edge. There are no tantrums any more like there used to be, which is good, because everybody used to be a bit like, “Oh, I don’t want to invite my friend round on a weekend when she’s here in case there is a tantrum or an issue.” That’s all stopped.

And like I said, that’s good for her as well. It must have been so exhausting to constantly be upset and uptight.

But I just feel a bit on edge. We can’t plan anything.

For example, this upcoming weekend is a weekend where she’s coming to stay with us and we’ve been invited to a friend’s 50th birthday party.

But typically, I think if we had got further on with the blending of the family, we could say, “We’ve spent all day with you, but we’re going to pop out for a couple of hours to this party, but you are secure here. Your step-siblings are here, you can order pizza and you can all watch a film, and we’ll be back before you know it.”

And then it’s best of both worlds, but that’s not an option. So I’m going on my own.

So it is that kind of impact where there is an impact, but I’m at that acceptance level now rather than getting stressed about it.

Katie

And what would you tell yourself if you were starting over?

Amy

Don’t get emotionally invested — which is really difficult — but get less emotionally invested.

Because at the beginning I was almost excited to have more people in the family, more children to care for and be involved with, and to help grow and be a part of my family, our family, that we would come together.

And I think in hindsight I didn’t know anything about being a stepmum. I didn’t have many friends that were stepmums, or at the time I didn’t realise the challenges they were having as stepmums until the conversations started coming out.

So I would just have prepared myself a bit more for the challenges, because I just supposed it was going to be quite rosy. I’ve done this before. I’ve brought four kids up. What can be so difficult about being involved with two more children? What on earth can the problem be?

So yes, I would definitely manage my own expectations better.

Katie

Yes, and that’s great advice for anyone.

Not necessarily do less, but it is great advice to manage your expectations and remind yourself that when things don’t go as you want them to, it’s not your fault. It’s not always anybody’s fault. It’s just a system that is really, really, really difficult to navigate.

Sometimes we all get it wrong. Sometimes one person gets it right, one person gets it wrong, but it’s constantly evolving.

And I guess the message for people listening here is, it is really good to try, but if your efforts keep getting you nowhere, then maybe just pull back.

And that’s not to say go into ignoring kids or anything like that, but just to move to a more accepting space if that’s possible.

Amy

Exactly that.

I think every situation’s unique, isn’t it? I’m sure that there are some bio mums out there that would fully welcome another woman coming in and helping where she can.

That hasn’t been the case in my situation. I’ve been seen as interfering and affecting her relationship with her ex-husband and influencing and all of those things, so that hasn’t been well received.

You hear that a lot as well, where bio mum and stepmum don’t get on, but I don’t think that’s always the case. So I don’t think people should go in defensively because that might not be the case for you.

I think you might get on really well with bio mum. She might be really welcoming of your support or concern. But just be prepared that it might not be received in the manner it’s intended, I suppose, is the message.

Katie

Yes. Look, Amy, it’s been so nice to talk to you today.

Amy

It’s been great to speak to you as well. It’s almost been like a mini therapy session. I feel much better.

Katie

Sometimes that’s all you need — somebody to talk to, and somebody who gets it.

A lot of my clients will say, “I’ve tried therapy. I couldn’t either be myself and say the really difficult things I feel because I was worried about being judged, or they just don’t get the dynamic.”

So it is always lovely to be able to create that space for people to bring all of their stuff to unpack really.

So thank you so much.

Amy

Thank you. No, thank you. It’s been really good.

Katie

If this conversation brought up something in you, maybe that’s worth paying attention to.

Because many stepmums spend years trying harder, carrying more, and blaming themselves for dynamics they didn’t create.

You do not have to keep doing that alone.

If you want more support with this kind of dynamic, Back in Control is where I help stepmums work through exactly these patterns with more clarity and less self-blame.

You’ll find the link in the show notes.

I’ll be back next week with another new episode.

Till then, take care.