Davey  0:26  
Welcome to Whose turn is it anyway podcast, I'm James, the first player. After my brief hiatus last week, we're back again. And this time we're doing a little bit of a Delve discussion into Descent and dungeon crawlers. So I've got other players, Rob, and a new player, an old member, but new to the podcast, Chris. 

Chris P  0:48  
Hi, guys. How's it going? 

Davey  0:49  
So if Chris can tell us a little bit about himself, and then we'll get into it?

Chris P  0:53  
Yeah. Hi, I'm Chris. I joined the gaming group, shall we say a number of years ago. Originally, I think it was Rob and JP that pulled me in to play, I can't remember which one it was was all. It was awesome. Awesome. 

Davey  1:13  
So you guys are enablers.

Chris P  1:19  
And I've, yeah, pulled me under. And that's it now. Yeah, so I've played quite a handful of games, but mainly sort of cooperative. So it's a perfect episode to come in on this first one. Exactly. Yeah. 

Davey  1:39  
So yeah. So we've been playing a lot of Descent and stuff together. So yes, it's a good topic to talk about. And we really want to talk about 2.0. So yeah, we'll, we'll jump into

What games have we been playing recently, so I'll go first. We played Anno the other day, which nothing to do with dungeon crawlling since it's a  heavy Euro game again. Yeah, I know. We went there. And JP was like, ah, yeah, looks looks quite simple. And to be honest, it was simple to learn how to play the game but Jesus Christ. It was a mind-melt. Yeah, so many different combinations to do and everything like that. 

Chris P  2:21  
But thats like your favourite thing?

Rob  2:23  
 Yeah, it was was it was really good, actually. And we're all pleasantly surprised. But yeah. Rob, what have you been up to? 

I managed to get my Carrooka board delivered. So I have been playing an awful lot of Carrooka. 

Davey  2:36  
The lazy Pool 

Rob  2:38  
With anybody who's happy to play it, it is such a great sit down 5/10 minute, depending on how good you are. So with us it's 15

Chris P  2:49  
I could probably beat that.

Rob  2:52  
Kerley had his birthday barbecue, belated birthday, gaming sort of day, we played a lot of games, and we played a lot of games or bought Carrooka. And everybody played it, everybody seemed to enjoy it. But I've played it with my wife. I've played it with my daughters, my 12 and 8 year old who absolutely love it. But the weirdest thing was, I came home one day from work to find my mum playing with my daughter. And I think it's the first board game she's probably ever seen. And I know it's a skill based sort of dexterity game. Yeah, it's not really a board game. But it's the first time I think I've ever seen her interact with anything like that. And she said, Oh, great. It was yeah, just kind of shows how accessible it

Davey  3:45  
Kind of has that Timely feel about it as well though, doesn't it even though it's a new age thing on a lazy susan

Rob  3:53  
Yeah, it's not like Pool where you know, you've got a walk all the way around the table, you don't have to do that. It's fantastic.

Davey  4:04  
It'd be like Wall-e seeing where we can attach it to our little electric scooter thing. 

Rob  4:12  
We played it, I'm sorry, me and Ian played it at the Games Expo. And it's a game that's been developed by a couple who play a lot of dexterity games. I believe he's a carpenter. So all the boards are handmade. And it's, you know, this couples invention, and we met them at the gaming expo and they were lovely. They were so nice and so generous with our terrible play. That you know, we kind of, I went away that day thinking I'm probably going to order one of those boards.

Davey  4:43  
The only thing you got, in the end wasn't it, from the expo?

Rob  4:45  
It was, true. Yeah, it's the only thing purchase but it's only it's the only thing I've got and I mean for the price of it compared to what was the other... 

Davey  4:55  
Crokinole? 

Rob  4:55  
Crokinole. I mean, one of those boards to be...

Davey  4:58  
 In range of £300/ £400 quid isn't it?

Rob  5:02  
The price I paid for this board... I appreciate the cost of them has just gone up with all the building materials. But I think the cost was about £130 pound,  which is actually... the quality of it, it's fantastic

Davey  5:16  
We played on a rock like a wobbly table as well, but you came with those little wedges. I loved that

Chris P  5:24  
Just in case the one that... your table...

Rob  5:26  
It did make a difference, because we played it with the table slanted and whoever sat in the bottom seat won. So yeah, we've been playing a lot of that and having an absolute great time.

Davey  5:41  
So if someone didn't know what it is, how would you describe it?

Rob  5:44  
Carrooka is basically a tabletop version of pool and snooker. So you've got little disks that you flick rather than, rather than pool or snooker balls or a cue, and they slide across the board. And there's pockets, there's six pockets around this round board. So you haven't got a square board. You've got a round board, then when you have your turn, the board is on a lazy Susan. So you spin the board very carefully. You spin it fast the disks go and fly out, essentially. And yeah, and I mean, I got the pool, sort of discs as well, because there's no way my kids will understand snooker. But they understand Pool, you know, you pot a colour you are that colour. Yeah. And to be honest, that's that's why it's been quick sort of 10/15 minute. Yeah, nice. And we've had a fantastic time

Davey  6:40  
The shape and the pockets meant for some interesting rail shots, we'rent they? When they spin all the way around the board and it goes  in one of the other pockets

Rob  6:47  
But if anybody is sort of interested in what I'm talking about, just go to Carrooka.com You'll be able to see exactly what I'm talking about. Fantastic. So very small family business. And I wish them all the very best of luck because yeah, absolutely fantastic.

Davey  7:01  
That's great. We'll put some photos on our socials so people can have a look as well. How about yourself, Chris?

Chris P  7:06  
Me, I've been getting my weekly Gloomaven itch done. So every Friday night is a Gloomhaven night. So I've been playing that with a couple of guys with me at the moment. I'm playing one of the unlockable classes. I don't know if anyone wants me to...

Davey  7:23  
So spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. It's been it's been out long enough, but you can spoil it 

Chris P  7:29  
I've been playing as the summoner. Okay. Yeah. Which if anyone knows me is funny enough. Literally everything that I'm about. If I can bring in as many enemies, people that I can bring in skeletons. Bring them in. Fight them for me and I'll sit back and watch you guys

Rob  7:48  
Every single video game, board game we play it if there is a necromancer S class. Chris is always it.

Chris P  7:56  
Oh, yeah, definitely. It's, it's just for me. It's just just my thing. Love it. Now, apart from that, I've been playing lots of Marvel Champions. Loving that game. I wish I had more money. There are so many packs that I need. I have the majority of the ones that I want. And then I just... the other ones I just need just because I want them.

Davey  8:18  
Yeah, it's got to end at some point. I know. JP was previously saying that he's got so many now in a box. He's actually told himself that's it now. Now this box is full, he's not buying anymore, because...

Chris P  8:28  
I've almost filled up my first box, and wanting to purchase my second. Why not?

Rob  8:34  
The reason that game is so good is because it is two parts. It's the collecting and organising of a set. And then there is actually playing yeah.

Chris P  8:44  
Oh yeah, that's the thing. My partner will say, oh, there's some more some more packs have arrived for you. And then I'll disappear into a dark corner of the house. And slowly put them into their sleeves and then they'll go into their little spot in the box and entertainment for the whole family. Exactly. And then emerge hours later and blurry eyed. Like ' what have you've been doing?'

Davey  9:03  
A big smile on your face

So that's that wrapped up

Delving into the dungeon of Descent. We've been playing a lot of 2.0 ,we did play a couple of games of 1.0 and I've played it before Yeah,

Rob  9:31  
I think we started a four player campaign. Yeah, and then that little thing called COVID happened Yeah, kind of put an end to that. Me and Chris we did, what two campaigns? Yep. With various characters. And what a game! Yeah, just absolutely fantastic. So I went a bit over the top in lockdown. I've started to sort of get all the expansion. I'm all but two of the main ones off 

Chris P  9:32  
Necessary purchases. 

Davey  9:35  
And the rooms now like a dungeon, you walk into it, just lots of Descent stuff.

Rob  10:05  
Yes. But we had a fantastic time playing it, what a game

Chris P  10:10  
It's just, it's so good.

Davey  10:12  
I love that it has all kinds of elements to it. For me, it has the nice being able to get the gear and like kit your character out. The dice rolls feel really cool because they're all the different dice have different values. And then just a simple little lightning bolt means that you get to do cool abilities and find little cool combos in there as well. So I do like one point

Rob  10:33  
I... the big difference, which I didn't appreciate, because we've got I've gone back and started playing another dungeon crawler, which I'll talk about in a bit. But with 2.0, they've taken all the faff out of it. Yeah, which you don't really appreciate until you go back and play the second one again, you know, all the little tokens that you have to put on the kind of, when you move the minis, you gotta move all these tokens with it. And you've got to remember what tokens are with which enemy in which character, the 2.0 edition. I think for me, it's not even the 3d terrain that that's made that game what it is, I think it's the faff, and the ability to

Davey  11:14  
Where they've streamlined the app into the actual game and

Rob  11:17  
The percentages of certain effects happening. Yeah,

Davey  11:19  
So that's cool. That's that's a very video game aspect of it, isn't it? That's not something you could do with a board game because it was you have to get a calculator out. 

Chris P  11:25  
And yeah, they're gonna kill the mood more. going, Oh, this sword has a 30% chance to do bleed damage. Yeah. And then you have to roll a separate dice to figure that out. And they'll take... it will take all that aspect out of it

Rob  11:37  
And it's instant.

Davey  11:38  
Yeah, some of them are like 5.78 percentage challenges as well, isn't it? So it's like, well, yeah, you wouldn't be able to do that.

Rob  11:46  
My math is not that good. Yeah, no.

Davey  11:50  
Well, let's take the fun... It just, it would slow the game down, which is what... it's sped it up, hasn't it?

Rob  11:54  
Exactly. And it is very fast paced. I mean, we've we've managed to get four of us around the table once. Yeah. And it was an epic adventure that we didn't realise was quite gonna go on as long as

Davey  12:05  
Ipt was good, though. Isn't it? Fantastic? Because that was when we upped the difficulty. Didn't we?

Rob  12:10  
Upped the difficulty because we kind of levelled up to a point where we weren't really struggling with the normal mode.

Davey  12:16  
No, it never felt tight did it, by actually decimating everything in our path

Chris P  12:21  
And we'd finished the level or the scenario, whatever. And it would be, Oh, I haven't lost... I've lost maybe half of my health. I filled it back up. I'm fine. I haven't gone down or wounded myself at all. Yeah, that's just maybe lets bump it up next time.

Davey  12:35  
I asked at one point. What happens if you lose all your hit points? So that never happened. 

Chris P  12:39  
So that happens, doesn't it? 

Davey  12:40  
Yeah, that game I think like three of us had like, we X amount of wounds.

Rob  12:45  
The games broken up into chapters. And I think we hit sort of the finale of a chapter and shit got real. Yeah. incredibly messy, enemies everywhere. It was, it was good fun. It was midnight. And we're like, how the hell are we get to do this and then managed, we managed to get it done. And we managed to pile it. But they've done a fantastic adaptation of it. Just just when you think there isn't really much to do with that genre. They bought that, you know, Fantasy Flight bought this out. And everyone was 'it's fantastic'. You know, it's the... sorry Descent 3.0, which isn't the case. Yeah. But it is just absolutely fantastic. 

Davey  13:24  
It's also the interactivity is added to the map where your choices can kind of sometimes affect what's going on in the actual little adventure. And that just sends it through to the app. And then it just gives you a little choice, you explore some or you search something and it could be anything and they pull out treasure wise. So it's yeah, it's definitely it's made it a very different experience, which I didn't think it was going to be from 1.0 to 2.0. Because 1.0 There was a lot more dice rolling. One thing I'd say about 1.0 is I felt like we haven't got deep into some of the skills of 2.0 But I did, quite like keeping a character and changing the skills as you went through the campaign. And that was your character, what 2.0 has done it a little bit differently haven't they, it's like an open...

Rob  14:12  
Yeah, so certain missions have to take certain characters so it's not your character. It's your roster of characters that they're interchangeable on different missions, which kind of forces you to play as that other person and I think that's been quite nice. We've all got our favourite characters. Yeah. But it's quite nice. It does play very differently between the you know, the different characters, which adds another element to it. Yeah, I think now...

That's the upside of it, isn't it, is the fact that you actually get to experience everything rather than just having the linear or mono gameplay.

Chris P  14:49  
Yeah, rather than constantly playing the tank roll, which is what I do, then you suddenly you're suddenly thrown into using the long ranged sort of stealth class or the mage magic, I'm a bit weak but I can do really good damage kind of thing. So, no, I do like that aspect of it. It throws you into some different roles quite nicely.

Davey  15:13  
I ended up playing the tank lady which I think no one else liked playing but the irony there was a new ability, and it ment I was swaping left, right and centre made her quite fun. I was just like appearing in the front and tanking some mobs out of nowhere

Rob  15:28  
There's that  kind of that role but in brackets so there's the tank for mage.

Davey  15:34  
Yeah, you know, they're like mixed classes.

Rob  15:36  
They are mixed classes

Davey  15:37  
Because the mage doesn't feel that mage-y, I would say, the mage, it kind of feels more I duuno, Silas is his name isn't it?

Rob  15:46  
He's like a range damaged dealer. Effectively. Yeah.

Davey  15:49  
But there's less spells really, isn't it? It's more it's more his Phoenix.

Rob  15:52  
Yeah, he's got a magical bird that's bound to him or something. 

Chris P  15:57  
Yeah, and you know, he tallies up, wraps up the fatigue onto your card. And then after a certain period of time, you just go alright, bird go. And then he flies off kills a bunch of guys. And then you charge him up again. And away you go.

Davey  16:11  
It's a it's more like a hunter kind of thing. Weirdly, yeah, hunter mage kinda thing

Chris P  16:15  
Yeah.

Rob  16:16  
But the thing, the interesting thing with this is that you know, the second edition is complete, that they're not doing anything with that anymore. And that the expansions were that, were so good. And they added so many new characters and enemies and things like that. Whereas, of course, with the, you know, the new edition, we're only on part one. So where it goes from here, we know what I think the true comparison will be between the two when they're both fully available. Yeah. Which isn't going to be for a while. I know they were talking about it at the Fantasy Flight thing recently.

Davey  16:52  
Yeah, that was the brief announcement. And then what some of the models as well, some of the models...

Rob  16:58  
And the quality of the models is fantastic. Yeah, they are really, really good models. My, my, my painting skills are lacking. So I am going to leave them well alone and let one of you guys paint them. One because I can't be bothered. And two, because I don't

Davey  17:12  
I think that's more it than you can't paint. I think it's more that you just...

Rob  17:16  
If you say so. It's just a fantastic experience. And I've played it with my kids. Ruby managed to, my youngest, she managed to take down this big, bad witch on the last roll. And that's an experience that will stay with her for a little while. Because whenever we've got time now she's like, Can we play the Descent? And unfortunately, we've had quite a lot of stuff on so we haven't been able to get it to the table with us two. But, but that time where we played it as a four, I think that was my favourite time I've played that. Yeah, it was so funny. It was, you know, everybody's interaction with it. And everybody's, you know, short reactions around the table kind of just enhance the experience.

Davey  17:57  
There was a lot of immersion along with just us kind of having to play together because like we just would have lost otherwise. Yeah. And that was it. Yeah. I have to say it was real good. That difficulty level now we've played it. I don't think I'd want to go back.

No, no,

Chris P  18:18  
No, I enjoyed that. The harder aspect of it is makes it more of a you know, you're on edge. And you need to make the right decision at the right time. Otherwise, you're probably going to screw yourself. Yeah. Oh, I'm in the middle of the arena with all of the enemies, right.

Davey  18:34  
With Descent 1.0 and 2.0. What would you say? Like other than the app? The major differences are? Or is it just the app?

Rob  18:44  
It's more that you can't play the bad guy? Yep. So you can take the DM out of the second edition you can play as the bad guy. Now we've never managed to do that because we've never had enough to play it. Well, we did then this little thing called COVID hit which kind of put us...

Davey  19:01  
So have you only played 1.0 with the app then?

Rob  19:04  
Yeah

Davey  19:04  
See I've never played it... Well actually, I think we played with the app with the  four we've always had a DM so I've only ever played it with DM which was, it was very interesting. But sometimes it did add the, it had a whole... it was four people against one and that one guy could get a little bit annoyed because it's not like with Dungeons and Dragons the DM has a bit more free rein of what he's doing and sometimes you just felt ganged up on because it is literally four people go no you're not doing that. Yeah, this is happening. All your dudes are dead. Yeah, you're not gonna have any fun

Rob  19:38  
But that was kind of JP's problem with Doom, wasn't it? Yeah. Which is another dungeon crawler obviously. Very good game. Yeah. He, when he played the bad guy, we kind of figured out what he could and couldn't do quite quickly. 

Davey  19:50  
We abused the teleporters didn't we? 

Rob  19:51  
And we just absolutely abused the teleporters to the point where he was, it's probably the angriest I've ever seen him. Almost a table flip moment. Probably angriest I've ever seen him because he was just, because we were just...

Chris P  20:02  
He was seething, red in the face

Rob  20:06  
And he couldn't stop us and he couldn't do anything... he couldn't do anything. So again, great dungeon crawler. Yeah, but I think as a group to get the most out of those experiences, you have to be conscious of how balanced the game is like because you've got games where the if the DM wants to can just obliterate everyone. Yeah, then it's no fun for anyone. Yeah. And the same way the other four can gang up and you know, just ruin it. Absolutely. Almost break the game. Yeah,

Davey  20:37  
And then then the DM is not having fun. Because then it's the game that has its own restraints on what the DM can do. Yeah, exactly. Work so differently.

Rob  20:45  
But again, a lot of fun.

Davey  20:47  
Yeah. I think that's why they made the app isn't it? It's because they realise actually, yeah. People against the computer, you can smash the shit out of the computer. And everyone just goes, yeah. And high fives over the table instead. Yeah. Rather than someone crying in the corner.

Rob  21:04  
Believe me. One thing the second edition app did very well was it did this Delve mode? Yep. Where it was it was a I think it was an eight part mini campaign that you could do on your own that you levelled up very quickly. So if you wanted to test a character and see what they're like, oh, yeah, remember that? We did that. And it was really good fun. It was four part. And then it would go hardmode after the four part because by that point you were almost max level and you had a really cool stuff. And it levelled it very well. And if you want a shorter...

Davey  21:37  
They call it a one shot, then that's the way it does it?

Rob  21:39  
That's quite cool. It's really good. I probably didn't play enough of when I probably should have done. Yeah. But that was a lot of fun. But with the tokens and with the characters, and you know,

Davey  21:53  
Just a lot less setup,

Rob  21:55  
Yeah, but there's a random element to the enemies. And by the time you've got a lot of the expansions, there's an awful lot of enemies that you need to bag up or have. 

Davey  22:04  
Well, this is the problem. The only problem I had with like Gloomhaven and another dungeon crawler is the setup and teardown, you set everything up. And eventually my mate had like... Liam had those little organisers so that we knew where everything was and it made a lot easier before then it was just stress of being like we need this enemy and this damage here and it takes you out of the experience. That is my only downside I think to Dungeon crawlers is the setup and teardown but while I'm playing it, it's like the best thing ever. What draws you guys to like dungeon crawlers in general into the genre? Because they're probably your... both of your favourite genre of board games? Yeah,

Rob  22:49  
Mine, definitely. After playing a lot of variations of games, a lot of worker placement games, a lot of deck builder games, coop dungeon crawlers... That's my thing that I enjoy the most. Yeah, I must say, partly because you work as a team. I make decisions all day every day at work. I don't want to be responsible for decisions for a three hour board game. I like the whole... you come to a decision as a collective. Yeah. As to the best course of action. And I like that. Less responsibility.

Davey  23:24  
If you don't agree then screw him, you can do what you want anyway.

Rob  23:28  
Yeah, if that's the way you want to go with Gloomhaven that's kind of...

Chris P  23:33  
You're a mercenary, you have your own set of personal goals that might not necessarily align with everyone else.

Davey  23:43  
You're gonna be the first to open the door and so you're just like, I'm about to kill this last one. And you can have a little bit of a respite before we go to the next one. Then 'door!'and he opens the door and you like Here we go. Again.

Chris P  23:52  
My goal on this one was to open the door when there was at least one enemy in the room.

Rob  23:59  
I think that was probably the biggest dungeon crawler probably in the last three years.

Davey  24:05  
Gloomhaven? I would say so.

Chris P  24:06  
Yeah, I'm still playing it. I've played four campaigns of it now, finished. Because there's like 90-odd scenarios they take me hours a piece

Davey  24:17  
Getting everyone together to try and finish campaigns is always the issue, with time, isn't it?

Rob  24:21  
The PC game of it though. Yes,

Davey  24:23  
I hear that's really good.

Chris P  24:24  
It is very good. Yeah, I thoroughly enjoy that as well.

Rob  24:28  
So and again, you can play that one player. You can play it remotely. We've had a few games of it.

Chris P  24:33  
Yeah, you can control all four players really easily because it is literally just click that this is what this person is doing. Now click this is what the next person is doing. And then you just Yeah, real often in the turn ends. Yeah. Playing that sync of the board game version on yourself would be an absolute nightmare. actually pick up this deck of cards. I would want to play this one and then you have to run on the table. We're gonna do this one.

Davey  24:56  
This is what I'm hoping that the for when Frosthaven comes out which is, well, people in they've started to send things out, I think,  sending actual copies out to people, or soon anyway. Hopefully the app integration, I know they've had some problems with the people doing the app. So I don't know if it'd be ready when the game comes out, but hopefully their apps going to sort out a lot of the faff between it as well, because it's either that or you just need a table where you can set the game up. Put the table back down. Yeah, leave it there. Bring it back out.

Rob  25:30  
Some of my favourite experiences gaming werel probably playing gloomhaven Yeah, watching Kerley as The tinkerer just roam around and snuffle up all the money whilst grinning

Doesn't sound like Kerley?!

And grinning at everyone else, you know, and these little moments that that we we've had playing that game. Now I know JP was running two campaigns and he kind of got a bit burnt out with it. Yeah,

Davey  25:55  
he's had enough. Yeah, 

It wasn't even trying to do... he was trying to do like, what one or two a couple of times a week. Yeah, each group and it was just

Rob  26:04  
It was too much but I mean, what a fantastic game, it's you know, is just the the mix of everything where you're doing something cooperatively, but you have your own agenda as well and that might put somebody else's sort of nose out of joint because you're doing things

Davey  26:22  
By the time you probably get bored of your character you've got another quest that you can complete and get rid of it and build a new character in as well.

Rob  26:28  
Yeah, and that element of it was was quite nice that you know you're not... if you're playing a character that you don't really love, you know, it's only for a certain amount of time

Davey  26:37  
And you can say to everyone right depending what the quest is anyway you can be like right I want to complete this quest as soon as possible. Let's get my new ccharacter out this play

Rob  26:46  
And that element of it was was a nice surprise. Yeah, and it gave you something to work towards other than just trying to make your character more powerful you know, other than levelling them up to the maximum

Davey  26:59  
It is quite interesting because they... you've got no dice rolls in it, which is good and... it's an upside and a downside. I enjoy rolling dice. I play alot of Warhammer as you know, and everything else. I like rolling dice but 

Rob  27:11  
Game of Thrones would disagree

Davey  27:14  
But yeah, can you maybe take that away because you just build your deck how you want it and it's up to your timing with when you're playing and exhausting them instead? Which is quite cool. Yeah, so Chris, what's your favourite thing about a dungeon crawler then what... What draws you to that more than any other game?

Chris P  27:42  
Again it's probably the coop aspect of it. I'm a team player. I don't like being an arse to people but I will if I have to. I don't really like to

Davey  27:53  
It's more of an occasional arse.

Chris P  27:57  
In games where it's clearly a versus game you know Game of Thrones or or the like, I always find that I tend to steer away from being combative with the other players. Yeah, so I'm like I'll do like a trade agreement or whatever, and I don't really want to get involved with you and then when we ally up then I open up another narrative, now I could do things like have teammates, on my own I feel a bit like

Davey  28:24  
Don't like the conflict

Chris P  28:25  
Yeah I don't like it too much, I try to steer clear, but no, in in dungeon crawlling games when I can be coop, there's a team sport kind of thing I can get involved and just getting all the loot and fight the big bad, that's all you need. Really. And obviously, yeah, kind of what you want really is Yeah, rather than the tedious aspect along the way. That's why I'm still playing weekly Gloomhaven session. There's that itch that needs to be scratched

Davey  28:58  
Definitely. As we're saying with Frosthaven I'm looking forward for that to come because I've played a lot of Gloomhaven now and having the other aspects of like actually have a resources that you're gonna have to get and having this little city builder that's attached to, it it's going to be quite cool 

Chris P  29:12  
Sort of managing resources, building up but yeah, so well as you're playing

Davey  29:17  
So even if you lose this scenario, it's not gonna feel so bad as long as you got some stuff back with you. You know there's a couple of scenarios you do in Gloomhaven you think... you fail them you go 'Should we just redo it rather than continue?'

Chris P  29:29  
Yeah, It gets so close to the end. And do we just say we did it? No, you shouldn't really, we'll do it again.

Rob  29:37  
I've purposely stayed away from all the information with Frosthaven. I know nothing about it because I don't want to know about it.

Chris P  29:44  
I don't know about any of the characters or anything. 

Davey  29:46  
I've gone the other way. I know a lot about it.

Chris P  29:50  
I just know theres aspects of building up the town and that's all I know about it. And that's all I want to know at the moment.

Davey  29:57  
There is a lot of cool mechanics. That's what I'll say. And they've definitely upped the level of classes that you've got. They've still got easy, you know, an easy one is like, I wouldn't say but they've gotten the easier classes. But even with the base, they've got ones which have like, you've got like two decks you have to play with and you have to like manage the depth.

Rob  30:16  
I can barely play with one, that's not happening for me. 

Davey  30:22  
And it combos off what card you've played previously, and stuff like that. It just looked quite cool. Did look really good. So I am intrigued to see what Isaac's done. Is there any other dungeon crawlers that you can think of that you've played and definitely want to talk about?

Rob  30:37  
That were remotely similar to Descent the second edition? Yep. Star Wars Imperial Assault. So it's a great game considering that it is mechanically very similar to Descent,

Davey  30:48  
Pretty much Descent reskin isn't it? 

Rob  30:50  
It's not, it plays very differently

Davey  30:53  
Just because they've done the scenarios more story based in some aspects.

Rob  30:57  
They'restory based, but the whole element of this is that you're playing the Rebels. Yeah. The Empire is vastly superior in strength. Yeah. So unlike Descent I'm bit of a...

Davey  31:09  
Doesn't Darth Vader turn up in the very first scenario?

Chris P  31:12  
Yeah, if you hang around a bit too long. He rocks up and you're like, that's it.

Rob  31:18  
And it's quite clear immediately how underpowered you are, when, you know, forces are just coming and coming and coming. So with Descent, I like to kill everything. I like to clear the board before we finish a chapter. With Imperial assault that isn't, that, you can't physically do it. Because you are so... not underpowered. But you're so overwhelmed. Yeah, if that makes sense. So as it would, as it is in, in the movies.

Chris P  31:51  
Suddenly you rock up and there's like eight Storm Troopers suddenly making its way across the board at you and in the movie, they'll hit over there.

Rob  32:02  
And the aspect of like, you can't complete everything you have to get in, do the objective and get out as quickly as possible. So you feel like a Rebel. Yeah, but what they've done very well is you don't play as any of the Star Wars heroes, they're in there. But you don't play as Solo, you don't play as Luke, you don't play... You know, as Leia, you, they've they've introduced these characters and surrounded them with the events of the movies. So you know, you're part of the crew that's helping clear, you know, the base on yet on Yavin 4 after you've been found. So you're part of the rebellion, you're just not a big player in it. And I think that element of it makes the game because if you've gone in as Luke and you're swinging a lightsaber around and deflecting and sort of doing all that stuff, the fact that you are very vulnerable, like, brings that tension elements, that's what I was saying about going back and playing that after playing the new Descent, you realise just how much faff there is with it with the tokens with the, the ailments with the buffs, you know, you've got a kind of token for absolutely everything. Whereas the new Descent, obviously, all that is handled by the app. And I think if they were to do you know, a new version of Imperial Assault that way, yeah, then I think...

Davey  33:23  
You know, I think in this day and age, you, they kind of have to don't they because it's sorted out all that faff, it sorts out all that admin. And that means that a lot of the... you can just get down and play what you want to play, you want to play this dungeon crawler, and you want to go for it, if you want to do

Rob  33:37  
I've only ever played it as a co op with the app. Yeah, but I was speaking to Adrian, and the, you know, the versus mode really took off with it. And when we were at the Games Expo, the UK championships was going on and some of the models and some of the strategies that these guys were playing, you know, it was like a Warhammer, you know, you've got a certain point to use and each character has certain points and just that the whole it brought a whole element to the game I didn't even know existed until they, all I saw was Imperial Assault. Really excited. 

Chris P  34:13  
Drawn in like a magnet. Yeah

Rob  34:15  
There's something called skirmish mode. I was like 'What mode?' and you know, I was speaking to other guys and they were fantastic and they were kind of you know, telling me what everything was and but no, just a great game

Davey  34:28  
Do you think the next one is going to be like the Rebel Assault so you get to play as a Storm Trooper, you only hit on sixes 

Chris P  34:33  
That would very quickly be just a game where you just go, No, I don't want to play this anymore. 

Rob  34:41  
Sounds like Resident Evil to be honest. Took that to France. 

Davey  34:50  
We heard that in the last podcast that you took it to France and then it was just like yeah, so we want to put this paddling pool up .... No, no. Imperial Assault

Rob  34:59  
There was plenty of room, the kids were fine. We managed to get both of them in

Davey  35:04  
Only a little bit squashed.

Rob  35:06  
We only played it the once but it was really long campaign so it was quite nice being in France having a few beers, playing this game for like four hours. Yeah, it was really nice and yeah, it was really good fun so if anyone could...

Davey  35:19  
Holidaying board gaming sounds horrible.

Chris P  35:21  
I'd be, I'd be on edge so much that something's gonna get broken. Like Noooo, don't break my things

Rob  35:31  
The other option was that we sat and watched the Love Island final. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, Imperial Assault had to come. That was the agreement. She can watch Love Island, I can play Imperial Assault. So. But no, we did get Resident Evil to the table a little while ago, didn't we? 

Chris P  35:46  
That was really good. A very hard game.

Davey  35:50  
Tambo did briefly mention it. He said it felt like Resident Evil. You ran out of ammo a lot. Oh, yeah. Just running away from 

Chris P  35:56  
Yeah, you're like taking potshots at these zombies. And you're like not, you're like you hit them once. And they just keep on coming as you would a zombie. Yeah. And it is, it was I thought it was quite ruthless, we managed to do it. 

Rob  36:08  
I think we played it a little bit wrong. I think we kind of went, we'll stay together. And Tambo went off on his own. And I think the idea is that even though it's a co op game, you do your own... You do your own thing

Davey  36:21  
They d like doing that in Resident Evil though, don't use like...

Rob  36:21  
Which makes sense.  

Davey  36:22  
Claire splitting up for like the whole game. And then briefly meet up, they have a little like chat, and off they go.

Chris P  36:32  
It's a co op game let's just just go around, maybe do a couple of rooms together. And then there's a timer and you're like, right, okay, I need to pick up the pace here. I don't have enough time to get to the objective. If we're all going at the same time.

Rob  36:44  
You kind of are forced to do that. So we played that a little bit wrong.

Chris P  36:47  
But it took us about half an hour before we figured out that we should be actually getting on and doing other things. Oh, I'm running out of time here. Run,

Rob  36:56  
I enjoyed it. If it wasn't Resident Evil themed,  I don't think I would enjoy it. But the fact that it was Resident Evil themed kind of...

Davey  37:09  
I guess missing loads and not ever damaging a zombie in theory should just, shouldn't be fun. But because it's Resident Evil and you've played a lot of it, you go Wow, actually. Yeah, it's it adds that to that survival horror

Rob  37:22  
Compared to another dungeon crawler Zombicide, where you're battering everything. Yeah. Which again, it's a lot of fun. I mean, who doesn't want duel-wield chainsaws?  Which, again, they're very different. Yeah, games, and they're very different objectives on those games.

Davey  37:41  
I did. I did eventually get bored of Zombicide. I think when I played it, I played it a little bit. And at the start you're like, Wow, this is really cool. And then when it's it was, I didn't play any of the expansions or anything. So there was a lot more to it. But eventually, it was just like, Yeah, I'm just smacking this zombie again.

Rob  37:56  
We did the campaign. So me JP, Tambo did the campaign and it bought a lot of very different elements. 

Davey  38:04  
So the thing maybe I just didn't stick with it long enough

Rob  38:07  
And other story chapters are very different. And they've brought in a time element but not time to complete it. There's in daylight and nighttime hours rules change. So its flashlights. So if you turn them on, they are attracted to wherever the light is coming from. We did the Washington DC expansion. And there was an element of turning the light on to attract the zombies and turning it off to try and get round some and then turning it back on again. And it added a very extra, you know, a very big extra dimension to that and it kept it very fresh, very frustrating.

Davey  38:52  
Frustrating.

Rob  38:55  
But it was a lot of fun. To the point where I bought the game off JP because he was selling it

Davey  39:02  
JP had enought as well?

I think that campaign he did and I know that Josh his son absolutely loves. So and I wanted it so I said that if I bought off him, if Josh ever wanted to play it, then he could borrow it and kind of go from there. But JP got the Kickstarter edition where you have characters, presidents, you know, famous actors, like there's a John Wick S. where you've got ,you're carrying a cat rather than a dog because of you know, licencing. Danny Trejo is in it for some reason, wieldwing to machetes and things like that. 

Chris P  39:43  
Is this the Kickstarter edition that gives you the Queen. 

Rob  39:46  
Yes, the Queen of England with a mini gun.

Davey  39:52  
As I say watch out what you say, I don't want to be liable.

Rob  39:55  
Carrying a mini gun, which you know, it's Zombicide, it's meant to be silly it's meant to be. So over the top. It's dumb. 

Davey  40:04  
Battering brains in. 

Rob  40:05  
And it's great. So I'm looking to get another campaign of that done at some point. But of course with everything, it's time, yes.

Davey  40:14  
We need to do our Descent one next. That's what we definitely need, though.

Rob  40:18  
So yeah, we'll get that finished off .

Davey  40:20  
The fact that we were saying the last game we played was one of the best, you know, games that we've had was Descent

The was probably about eight weeks ago. Yeah. So lets get it back to the table definitely. 

Rob  40:33  
What about you mate?

Davey  40:35  
Darkest Dungeon I've got on the way, but I'm a little bit worried about that. Because the, there's, there's been a lot of controversy about it, which is, one of them's the shipping, they have taken so long to actually ship the items out, then they've charged us more on their Kickstarter, so they've put on another £20 quid or something. I wouldn't have, wouldn't have minded if it was just them making the game but they would, they've been building a load of expansions. And they spent a lot of time doing that. And you think, well, you could've shipped the main game by now. Yeah, but I'm looking forward to it. But I'm also apprehensive because they've changed the rules of law to try and keep it more in tune with the video game. But in doing so is now got a rating of weight out of five a 4.8 on boardgaminggeek. And I looked through the rules and it looks like one of the most complicated dungeon crawlers you're ever going to play and for one short dungeon crawler that you're gonna bring to the table and just doing it as a one shot. You probably don't want that. So, um, but I'm still excited to play it. Because I love the I love the game. 

Rob  41:47  
I'd reserve judgement until you play it. These things, they get hyped up a lot. Yeah, how many video games, you know, movies, bomb, because somebody's got one problem with something, till you get hands on experience with it.

Davey  42:01  
Yeah. I did read the rules. And there was a lot of complications, which is exciting, because it looks like there's a load of depth there. But yeah, but there's also daunting because I've got to teach the bloody thing.

Chris P  42:17  
Just for the one time that you play

Davey  42:19  
But I guess the more I play it, the more I get used to it, I might find this like quick ways around the rules and how to lead someone and be like, here we go. Because there's just there's loads of cool mechanics and there's actual crit modifiers that you put on people, I said about the ,math things you have to work out but there's actually like crit modifiers and ones that also reduce the damage tokens you put out and yeah, they've changed initially... Have you played Darkest Dungeon before?

Chris P  42:45  
The video game?

Davey  42:46  
Yeah.

Chris P  42:46  
Yeah, So there's lots of aspects to it. Yeah, of stress. And so and yeah, it's crazy.

Davey  42:53  
So they tried to keep it the same originally as what position you're in, affected the combat, but now they've also changed that and now it's a board where you move around and attack stuff like average dungeon crawler, but your stance and position is on a little board separate board instead. And that changes that depends on what abilities you can do. So the obviously the other one didn't work, but it does look interesting. And I'm looking forward to it when it eventually it gets here X amount of time layer. So I've just been waiting for Frosthaven and I don't actually own any dungeon crawlers myself. I usually play around friends but I bought two, but they've just not arrived. Hankering to, hankering to play some. Yeah,

Rob  43:35  
Do you remember the first dungeon crawler you ever played?

Davey  43:39  
Yeah, I well. It wasn't really a dungeon crawler I guess. But I suppose Space Hulk is kind of that.

Rob  43:50  
That was my first that's when I when I heard that they were still a thing

Davey  43:55  
Space Hulk like dungeon crawler. Oh, yeah,

Rob  43:58  
That's it. It all kind of stems from that. Yeah, the I we played it and no idea what we were doing. I loved it. I mean, yeah, I was what, 10? I think when the first time I played that game? It was fun. It introduced me to the Warhammer universe. Yes.

Davey  44:17  
Yeah, it was mine, which was great. And then down a PC game where it was very similar. Really bad graphics. Yeah, you just went through like a little corridor and it revealed stuff. Then you'd shoot it the shoot or the Tyranids in these tiny corridors.

Rob  44:30  
You remember your first one Chris?

Chris P  44:33  
No, I'll be honest with you. Not a scooby, my memory is the worst as it is. I wouldn't know where to begin.

Davey  44:43  
What's your favourite one then?

Chris P  44:45  
My favourite, what as in board game, video game.

Davey  44:47  
Yeah, dungeon crawler

Chris P  44:51  
My favourite probably would be Gloomhaven. Going back as far as I can think. Video game probably one of the original Dooms, that's kind of a dungeon crawller you know the thin corridors,enemies up there. 

Rob  45:04  
Yeah, kind of play the dungeon crawler video game. You can play a dungeon crawler board game and kind of know what to expect. You've got to get from A to B. And the puzzle isn't almost the game, the puzzles figuring out the journey. Yeah, and I think that's what I quite like as well.

Davey  45:23  
Get the loot along the way Yeah, everyone loves a bit of loot

Rob  45:26  
I quite like that. What's your favourite dungeon crawler of all time?

Davey  45:29  
See it is a toss up between Gloomhaven and Descent for me. We've talked about them both so much, but I've played a lot of Descent. And I enjoyed it every time I played it, and they're just both very different. I think they're both up there for me. But they, even though they're the same genre. They both feel a very different role. One gives me the little like, like deck aspect tickle, and the other ones like I get to roll dice and anything's gonna happen here. And people are gonna laugh at your dice rolls and that little randomness actually adds to the experience.

Rob  46:06  
I think for me one of the best dungeon crawlers that I've played that we haven't talked about was an experience we have with you when you were the evil git. 

Chris P  46:15  
Oh, that was one of my shining moments. 

Rob  46:17  
It's Mansions of Madness. 

Chris P  46:19  
Oh, yeah. That was fantastic, that was

Rob  46:21  
So we had this, it's the first time you'd ever played it. 

Chris P  46:26  
And you forced me into the role of the arsehole

Rob  46:28  
We didn't force you, you happily volunteered, and for the whole game Chris didn't do anything. He didn't do anything and we're like are you sure you like, you're okay but he's like Yeah, I'm good. Yeah, I got this two hours we're going around fumbling in the dark trying to find this stuff, Chris just walks through everyone, doesn't do anything, doesn't attack anything, just walks through everyone, gets to the end and then just summons this massive demon, said 'this was what I had to do, You lot have now gotta fight this thing' and we were honestly broken.

Chris P  47:02  
It was the best ever

Davey  47:04  
The combat in that when you the good guys as such, as well. It's so brutal is you feet like you're up against it the whole time

Rob  47:12  
But I think that's why the whole team element makes that game, because you lose as a team. Yeah, and it's fun.

Davey  47:18  
And you lose a lot.

Chris P  47:21  
You guys were so confused. Cultist would just wander past and then you would just like Oh, I'm ready to combat and then I just dawdle past and just keep going and you're just like where's he going. I had to get 5 cultists to the summoning room at the end and then they all merge together and moves into this massive honking demon just wanders through the dungeon mauling everything

Rob  47:49  
What the hell is going on? We thought we were smashing it, we are absolutely smashing it and then this, this behemoth turns up and just absolutely destroys everyone. It was like 'oh thanks'. 

Chris P  48:01  
Anytime. 

Rob  48:03  
So yeah, that was one of the best experiences I've had playing a dungeon crawler. 

Good fun. Yeah, I would say probably one of mine is when I was playing, we were playing with a group of mates. We were playing Descent 1.0. I was, I think was the archer girl. The one that could shoot, eventually can shoot through her teammates and like gets crits and stuff like that. But yeah, and we were up against it. Dungeon Master was there and he had thought he had won, quite smugly little face and then basically from about three of us there was just like full on crit roll, full on crit roll, full on crit roll. Three of us in a row. Just wiped it out. And you just saw his face drop. And it was good for us. It was one of my favourite moments. He looked so smug beforehand, but I don't think it probably would have been like his favourite moment anyway.

But that's part of the fun of those games, isn't it? Like they're all very similar. They will do things differently but it's the player interaction that makes the things. What about you Chris?

Chris P  49:09  
One of the games that I've played that has sadly filtered out and no one really seems to play it anymore is the Lord of the Rings board game.

Rob  49:21  
I kind of forgot that was even a thing.

Chris P  49:26  
I've played that with Kerley in a campaign. And it was, I thought it was brilliant. It was so good. So thematic with the movies and you're, you're playing as all the characters and it was brilliant. And then it just sort of filtered off and then that was it. We didn't play anymore. Like 'When we gonna play it again'. 'Oh, I'm not gonna play that anymore'

Rob  49:46  
That was very 'Mansions-esque' wasn't it? Like the campaigns were very variable.

Chris P  49:51  
They're hard even on the Easy difficulty or medium they were like nails. But that's brilliant

Davey  49:57  
My only downside for that was it didn't ever feel like you got much loot. But I guess they tried to keep that on theme for Lord of the Rings.

Rob  50:03  
Did we play it for long enough? 

Davey  50:05  
Probably not, they've added alot.  

Chris P  50:07  
You do you get there eventually, you start finding stuff. But on the first, you know, three, four levels. You don't, you're kind of limited on what you getting. But you get past that and you start finding some quite little cool stuff. But it's mainly hidden. They're not they're not things that you just kill an enemy and he's got a cool sword. Yeah, it's like there's a little puzzle they go through during the scenario, but you don't necessarily know until you find a piece and go, oh, there was a woman villager that was down that I probably should have spoken to. And then she said, Oh, there's something in there that you should have gone and done, but you just go, oh, there's a wounded woman. Alright, see you later. I'm gonna go. There's an orc over there that needs an arrow.

We're onto the little section now where we've got a vast collection of questions that we're slowly going through, we will, we will get to yours. But please send us more. It's quite a controversial subject and... Your rules for eating and drinking at the table. The person that asked the question is Stewart Ennew... if you know him, you'll probably know why he's asked. It's probably too inside, some arguing within the group of ours. But there's been some incidents already. But we'll we'll start with Chris.

I am all for it. Just be careful for the love of God. These things are normally made of little bits of card or little bits of plastic, dirty fingerprints and stuff get all over so just be careful and just try and stay clean. I know for a fact that Kerley will back me up on this. I have spilled lemonade on his stuff before and it was not, he did not like me for a little while.

Davey  51:50  
That was the Lord of the Rings.

Chris P  51:52  
I did spill lemonade on his cards.

Davey  51:55  
Maybe thats why he sold it?

Chris P  51:56  
 He was, he was not pleased.

Davey  52:00  
I remember that. It all fizzed up when you opened it and so it wasn't your fault. But you opened it and it just went 'Whoooosh'

Chris P  52:06  
Yeah, exactly. 

Rob  52:07  
That might have been the reason why you never played it again.

Chris P  52:10  
It might be why, you guys kept playing it didn't you?! You played the campaign and didn't invite me back, 'He's too messy with his drinks'. But ever since then, I always take the utmost care. Yeah, yeah, go for it. It's not gonna, it's not the end of the world if something does happen. But just, Yeah. Yeah, be careful. Be careful 

Davey  52:10  
Chris's little advice for everyone. Just be careful

Chris P  52:32  
Because you'll suddenly see me jump out of my seat if it's a game that I own. If I see you going in with dirty fingers, I will like grab your hand and say 'there's a napkin over there'. But that's just me, it's who I am.

Rob  52:44  
For me if you're an adult. Yes. If if it's my children, then Hell no.

Davey  52:49  
Got gloves they have to wear. 

Rob  52:51  
I mean, I'm not...

Chris P  52:52  
Pick up cards with chopsticks

Rob  52:54  
I'm not that precious about... obviously I want to take care of them and I want to look after them. But for me, I've haven't sold a game. Yeah, if I buy a game I want to keep it I don't want to sell it on now. So basically any damage that I've caused to it then I'd rather it be damaged and used than pristine and on a shelf. Yeah. And I think that if you're a grown adult, you know, that can eat

Chris P  53:24  
With your hands and your mouth. 

Rob  53:25  
I have no problem with with eating and drinking. What I have got a problem with is if we're drinking beer and somebody's you know, dancing on the table while playing a game that's a different matter,

Davey  53:37  
KFC and booze.

Rob  53:40  
It's be like 'Lads, can we just put pause on this for a second?' But I mean, again it's I'd rather somebody had fun at a game night than was sat on edge

About your by your precious thing.

My precious things now that's just me like but I understand why people are very precious.

Davey  54:00  
Yeah, I suppose if something's a collecton for them. They want it exactly. And I guess the advice there would be if you want people play with it, is to like sleeve and make sure that you've put the , you know like a little laminate sheet on top of your board or... Like I will have to agree with you though, I prefer game that's used and worn out from overuse than something that'll be kept pristine from me not bringing it to the table as much because of the fear of ruining the game.

Rob  54:27  
So Chris bought me a bobble head for my birthday. You should have seen his face when I opened it.

Chris P  54:32  
I couldn't believe he did it. It was literally within seconds. Happy Birthday mate. Thanks packet open. I'm just like stunned. Like what are you doing? 

Rob  54:43  
The most offended I've ever seen.

Chris P  54:44  
All of my Bobbleheads are carefully shelved and they're all in the box

Rob  54:52  
My kids love them because, they do, they shake them up, I think it's great.

Chris P  54:56  
It's just I can't do it. I just can't do it. I just don't understand what's going on

Davey  55:02  
I wish this was a video then because Chris was just evilling you from over there

Rob  55:07  
I'm not that precious about that sort of stuff. Yeah, you know, I mean I've got LEGO sets that I've built

Davey  55:13  
Depends if you're collecting it though, doesn't it, and it's definitely that collector aspect. Yeah.

Rob  55:19  
I get why people do it. It's just for me personally, I'm not that way inclined. I'd rather it get used.o I'd rather you know, show signs of wear to show that, you know, I've played it and I've enjoyed it. Yeah, like you know, so what about yourself? Where do you stand so?

Davey  55:35  
Fine, bring food and drink. Bring a rustlers burger. 

Chris P  55:41  
Thats normally what you bring isn't it?

Davey  55:44  
The thing is preach as you do, and I always bring food and drink. I always make sure I wash my hands. Yeah, and I always say I'm washing my mits. I make a big scene of it. Because everyone knows.

Rob  55:56  
There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. Like nobody wants to be shuffling cards and a crumb fall out. 

Davey  56:04  
But I will go with some stories. So we've had we've had coffee-gate where Liam, what game was it, oh, it was Eclipse. Liam had a coffee next to him and somehow I don't know how... so on JP's gaming table well, it's got  little ledges on. Which you slot the wood in and that's like a cup holder. Somehow, Liam rather than knocking the coffee outwards, knocks it like upwards and it spins and coffee just goes everywhere. All up his wall. He didn't give a shit about his wall. It was the board game. It was just like, oh my god, the board game. Luckily everything was fine. But the ironic thing is the pizza incident with Battlestar Galactica pizza-gate. With JP getting pizza all over Kris's, Battlestar Galactica. That was the other food incident. Because Battlestar Galactica you just can't get hold off. And now you've got Unfathomable which is probably just better anyway. 

Not mine, that is to say to everyone it's the other Kris.

Big Chris. Yeah. And yeah, JP got pizza on his game and that was, that was quite funny to watch. Because Kris just, his face just went 'What are you doing?'

Chris P  57:24  
I wasn't there, but I can just see him saying that.

Rob  57:27  
The most mild mannered gentle person out of our gaming group just getting angry. Yeah.

Davey  57:34  
So there have been a couple of food incidents. The thing is, I do understand the question. 

Rob  57:37  
You've got eight people around the table, accidents are gonna happen. Yeah, at some point. I think if somebody was being respectful you don't mind. If somebody's purposely spilled a mug full of tea over the board. 

Davey  57:50  
Someone's like jamming the card against the wall. Yeah.

Rob  57:52  
Then someone's getting a whoopin'. Yeah. You know, if somebody accidentally dropped a card on the floor 

Davey  57:59  
and just stepped on it or something accidentally,

Rob  58:02  
Then you know, you've got to let some things go. And to be honest, we mostly play with people we know. We mostly play with friends

Davey  58:09  
And a lot of times a lot of like, producers now of board games will, if you if you give them a message or something they'll send you...

Rob  58:18  
JP did that with an Arkham Horror card. Yeah, his dog ate or chewed one of the cards Yeah, if I remember rightly and he messaged Fantasy Flight. They sent him in a replacement card. Which again, I don't think many other industries would kind of do that.

Davey  58:35  
No, they are pretty good with that. I think they realise, a lot of them probably, you know, they like boardgaming themselves and they'll ruin the whole experience if you're just missing one component. Yeah.

Rob  58:45  
But the fact I think they sent it free of charge I think I think he might have had to pay for postage. Which is fair enough, but which was very good on their part. I think accidents happen and you know you especially when you're playing something like Twilight Imperium

Davey  58:58  
Well and plus accidents are more likely to happen if everyone's hungry and thirsty Yeah.

Chris P  59:03  
Dehydration, potentially you got the shakes because you haven't had your burger

Rob  59:10  
What have you got T.I down to now?,

Davey  59:12  
What, hour-wise? I didn't play the last one unfortunately I couldn't make it, but the last one ended up being a bit longer. I think it was about six, seven hours

Rob  59:20  
If I don't get food every four hours, I get angry. And playing a game where you're supposed to get angry probably isn't a good, you know, sort of a good recipe. So, you know, snacks, general snacks, things like that. I've got no.... If soeone was bringing a KFC bucket then you might want to wait to eat that

Davey  59:44  
A bucket'll be fine. You know, I said just gloves. Let's have a little pack of gloves on an eat and then take them off.

Rob  59:51  
So I think hopefully that answers the question. Don't be a dick with other people's boardgames

Davey  59:57  
Well thanks for that Stewart, sending that in. And yeah, if anyone's got any other questions, please don't hesitate, we love to answer them 

Socoming up to our penultimate turn. What have you guys got coming up? What's the future of anything you're looking forward to, game wise not game wise.

Rob  1:00:21  
I'm quite looking forward to watching the new Top Gun again. 

Davey  1:00:27  
Maverick?

Rob  1:00:27  
I've bought it on my skybox. It doesn't come out until October, but you can get it on digital platform. Yeah, we watched it recently. And oh my god, it's probably my favourite film I've seen in the cinema in a long, long time. Have you seen it,

Davey  1:00:42  
No, I haven't seen it. Everyone keeps saying it's pretty good. I was... I was put off till Tom Cruise and the whole...

Rob  1:00:47  
I was very apprehensive. Yeah,

Chris P  1:00:49  
I worry that it's not gonna be as good.

Rob  1:00:51  
No, I'm telling you now, it is bloody brilliant.

Davey  1:00:55  
Funny homoerotic scenes with like Kenny Loggings playing over the top?

Rob  1:00:59  
Absolutely, but I gotta be honest with you. It didn't even bother me.

Chris P  1:01:01  
I thought you were going to say there wasn't enough. 

Davey  1:01:03  
It doesn't bother me, I was just wondering. It's what made the first one

Rob  1:01:08  
Me and my wife was sat in cinema and the opening sequence, which is just brilliant. Yes, absolutely brilliant. If, if you haven't seen it yet 

Davey  1:01:19  
Does he actually fly the planes in it? 

Rob  1:01:21  
I'm not giving anything away. 

Davey  1:01:22  
No, I just ment as stunt-wise did he actually...

Rob  1:01:25  
No he got got really pissed off because they wouldn't let him. He's in a real plane. Yeah. 

Davey  1:01:31  
Because I know he can fly.

Rob  1:01:31  
He does fly a plane in it. Yeah. It's not like the military. 50 million pound aircraft. He got really annoyed that they wouldn't let him do it. Which is amazing. Considering...

Davey  1:01:31  
Do you know who I am?

Rob  1:01:45  
Considering his age. And considering how long ago the last one was. Not only have they sort of paid it lip service. They've done it justice. I'm always apprehensive of sequels. I've never seen the second Anchorman just because I can't, It's not like that, but I can't see it. But I can't see. There are many other sequels that I won't watch because...

Davey  1:02:12  
Did you watch Pray? That's one 

Rob  1:02:13  
I haven't, I haven't got around to it yet

Davey  1:02:15  
Pray's really good.

Rob  1:02:17  
So for me then, watching the new Top Gun again is right up there. House of the dragon. You've never seen Game of Thrones have you Chris?

Chris P  1:02:26  
I have never seen Game of Thrones.

Davey  1:02:28  
I would be like normally well, before seven and eight. Before season seven and eight. I would have went 'What's wrong with you? 

Rob  1:02:36  
The thing is Chris, this is right up Chris' street. This is, this, you would love it.

Chris P  1:02:43  
I know if I would watch it I probably would really enjoy it. But I just can't be bothered, it's, there's so many other things to do. And I'll just sit down and watch you know, what how many 9 seasons of it, plus it's just,it's like trying to watch one piece it's just not going to end. For me it's just never gonna get there.

Rob  1:03:05  
It wouldn't take long mate,  it wouldn't take that long.

Davey  1:03:07  
How about yourself Chris? What have you got coming up? 

Chris P  1:03:10  
Well, I've been watching anything that Disney plus decides to put on, there's She-Hulk I'm enjoying at the moment. I love the fact that all the little, if you really watch it, if you really really sit down, and you are staring at every corner of that screen, there are so many little add-ins and little bits that you would miss that tie into other things. I'm not going to spoil anything but they're already hinting on other characters that haven't even been introduced yet or so

Rob  1:03:36  
Awesome, we haven't got round to watching that yet,

Davey  1:03:39  
I did like the team.

Chris P  1:03:40  
Yeah, exactly. It's like this is coming out you know, it's coming up because you've seen it but so many people don't, haven't haven't twigged that it's there. And you just go right that's coming up,, and I know it's coming up and I can't wait for it. So there's that and next couple of weeks, it's my birthday. My partner has bought me Bloodborne the card game, which I've played  three times, loved it every single time and I can't wait to actually own it to actually then play it.

Davey  1:04:08  
I'm gonna have to invade your house and come and play it at some point more than

Chris P  1:04:12  
You're welcome to do so my friend. 

Davey  1:04:13  
I really wanted to play  that for ages

It was sitting on Kerley's shelf so long in the, in the wrap, still in the saran wrap, just sitting there. And I'm just like 'why havent you opened it?'

Chris P  1:04:24  
Is that the board game or the card game? Because there are two different versions There's a board game which has figures and it's, you know, kind of like, 

Davey  1:04:31  
I think he had both actually, I think he had the board game and the card game.

Chris P  1:04:31  
And theres the card game which is a kind of like a deck building game. But no, it's the card game that I'm getting. And it is awesome. It's so much fun. It's a game that I think even my partner would enjoy. She's never, she doesn't really like playing board games. She, I've tried to get her playing Gloomhaven, I've tried to get her to play some other games and she will play for a bit and then sort of lose interest. Yeah, peters off after like an hour or so. This is too much reading.

Davey  1:05:00  
Anything over an hour and a half? 

Chris P  1:05:05  
It's a game that you can, you can play it, I think it's a minimum of three player goes up to five player I think, and takes about 45 minutes, max, if everyone's you know, kind of paying attention, you can knock it out in about 45 minutes. And it's, it's brilliant. It's always very turn based. There's a lot, there's a bit of screwing each other over because the end of rounds you can you get to pick a loot out of a pool. And if then if you've taken it, it's gone. Someone else doesn't get it. So it's a matter of, you know, playing slightly strategically, because there's a nice quick game that doesn't involve a lot of interaction or reading of stuff. You can just go I know what that is. I know what I got to do. Yeah, it's great.

Davey  1:05:44  
That is the benefit of things like card games, because you just read the card, and then do what the card says when you play.

Chris P  1:05:49  
And there's not even that many words on the cards, there's literally like, attack 4 Yes. Bargain. Range 4,  perfect. There you go. You just go through cycling through turns. Little bosses, then Big boss,  fight it out. Duke it out, who's got the most points at the end of it. Game over. There you go. Nice. That's very fun. Look forward to that very much. 

Davey  1:06:12  
What about yourself mate, what have you got coming up?

Horus Heresy has now moved on to 30k instead of 40k. Good. Better story. So I've been really enjoying that lately. And there is, don't think there is anything coming up I really actually want to play. I need to put some stuff in, I need to put Barrage in again, because we didn't actually play that in the end. The really, really dry theme that no one ever will...

That you and JP played at the Expo? Honestly, you should see them, they were like two little kids that are bouncing up and down laughing at each other, stitching each other up.

And it was ,it's got such a dry theme. You're building dams and powering your dams. And that is the theme. Literally, that's it. Yeah,but the gameplay is amazing. And you can steal each other's water and supplies and they can't power it, and you just fuck each other over. It's just got loads of interaction for a Euro game. So I need to put that down. I'll look forward to that. We've got Rurik coming up, actually, that will be good. Set in Ukraine, like, some medieval era . And it's like an auction game, like bid off. So you want to, it's an area control. You have no warriors, you have to move them around. But you've got actions that you do, and you have to do like, take over areas, but your actions, your bid. So it's like one to 10 and you have to bid and to what action, so the more powerful action is slower, but you get to do more stuff. And the more, the quicker action you get to do less stuff,

Rob  1:07:51  
But you get to go before everybody else

Davey  1:07:55  
So shit's always going on. 

You'd love stress don't you? You just love it.

It de-stresses me, that de-stresses

Rob  1:08:05  
Which is quite ironic, right? Yeah.

Davey  1:08:08  
It's stuff like that. It immerses me in the game, invests my emotions into it, and therefore, I'm not thinking about anything else. I'm just there at the moment. I think that's why it's a de-stressor. Is that fair enough? Yeah, I think that's what I'm looking forward to. That's coming up. Well, thanks for coming along guys and having a chat and hopefully we, we've satisfied your cravings for a bit of dungeon chat. Not that kind of Dungeon chat. That's another episode. Yeah. Go along with JP and it's a door and whip. 

And with that the final boss has been defeated. Thanks, Chris, and Rob, for coming on. And thank you for listening. If you've enjoyed our show, please like, subscribe ,and review on the podcast player of your choice. If you want to get in contact with the show you can email us at players@whoseturn.co.uk , check out our Facebook at Whose Turn Is It Anyway Podcast, on our Instagram page @whoseturnpodcast , and Tiktok @whoseturnisitanyway

This has been my last episode as first player anyway, just want to say a big thank you. It's been real good fun, and I'll be handing over the mantle to Becky. Who's I'm sure gonna do an outstanding job. And something for you guys to look forward to. We'll be back again in two weeks time until then... Whose turn is it?

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