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So"},{"speaker":"Davey","startTime":3812.86,"endTime":3813.91,"body":"Hopefully, we'll look out"},{"speaker":"Davey","startTime":3812.86,"endTime":3813.91,"body":"for you."},{"speaker":"JP","startTime":3814.36,"endTime":3815.95,"body":"Yeah, if we do get across"},{"speaker":"JP","startTime":3814.36,"endTime":3815.95,"body":"the pond."},{"speaker":"Davey","startTime":3816.28,"endTime":3817.3,"body":"Exactly. Yeah."},{"speaker":"JP","startTime":3818.81,"endTime":3822.361,"body":"Muster up the funds, and"},{"speaker":"JP","startTime":3818.81,"endTime":3822.361,"body":"we'll come over, but it's on my"},{"speaker":"JP","startTime":3822.424,"endTime":3826.039,"body":"list to pop over to a US or"},{"speaker":"JP","startTime":3822.424,"endTime":3826.039,"body":"convention or even in Canada,"},{"speaker":"JP","startTime":3826.102,"endTime":3829.971,"body":"where your based. 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