{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"JP","startTime":44.69,"endTime":47.93,"body":"Welcome to Whose turn is it"},{"speaker":"JP","startTime":44.69,"endTime":47.93,"body":"anyway, a game podcast where we"},{"speaker":"JP","startTime":47.93,"endTime":51.230000000000004,"body":"talk about games, or game"},{"speaker":"JP","startTime":47.93,"endTime":51.230000000000004,"body":"topics. And sometimes we even"},{"speaker":"JP","startTime":51.230000000000004,"endTime":54.65,"body":"get the occasional guest. 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