Ep. 72: Truth, Presence & Divine Feminine Awakening — with Natalie Fehlner

Welcome back to the HEAR HER podcast!

In this episode, Heather is joined by Natalie Fehlner for an intuitive conversation about truth, presence, and what it means to live from firsthand spiritual experience instead of rigid belief systems. Natalie shares how a sudden, profound non-ego experience in 2014 shifted everything—moving her from cynicism into a lifelong spiritual journey, and eventually into creating a podcast space where diverse voices can share real, lived experiences without relying on labels. Together, they explore cult dynamics in our culture, intuition as present-moment knowing, and creativity as a pathway back to the divine feminine.

We Explore:

• Why truth matters—and how presence helps us perceive it
• Cult dynamics, hyper-attachment to ideologies, and “objective reality”
• Religious trauma, skepticism, and the long road of integration after awakening
• Intuition as present-moment awareness (and the breadcrumbs that build trust)
• Creativity + flow state as medicine (clay goddesses, poetry, and devotion)
• The divine feminine, priestess training, and restoring balance with the masculine
• Astrology as symbolic story + self-recognition (“the story in the sky”)

We Mention

Atlantic University - mentorship program

Book: Meditation Secrets for Women 

Avalon Rose Chapel  

Nick Lasky 

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Website https://www.sidheart.com/

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Podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tales-from-the-truth-seekers/id1774574976 

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Linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/natalie-fehlner-0b723288/ 

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Transcript

Speaker 0:00

Hello, lovely listeners and welcome back to another episode of the Hear Her podcast. It is so wonderful to be here with you if you're new around here. Welcome, welcome, welcome. I'm Heather, founding mother of Divinely Sensitive, an energy doula and spiritual guide. Us Walking Women Home to themselves and at the heart of my work is the Hear her sister. An online space to come home to yourself again and again and again. It's a place to explore your intuition at your own pace, rooted in the sacred feminine, the seasons, and the natural world. Inside, you'll find monthly guided journeys. Meditations, Oracle Readings, live gatherings. Simple yet potent practices and so much more. All alongside a loving community of like-hearted women, learning to trust themselves in these uncertain times. So if you're feeling the pull for connection or support, there's a link in the show notes to join our online community. And if you're local to the Charlottesville area or passing through, come see me at Overs, soul Healing Center. It's such a cozy spot. I offer Reiki, private sound, bath, and intuitive energy medicine sessions. I would love to meet you where you are.

Speaker 2 1:38

Today's guest was destined to be on my podcast. I remember a while back coming across her Etsy shop and swooning at these beautiful sculpted goddesses she was creating. And I saw that she did. Astrological readings. I was so intrigued and I didn't know at the time that she was local. I didn't know at the time I would be, speaking with locals for the podcast, but eventually through a WhatsApp group, I connected the dots that she was local. And not only did I have the pleasure of sharing this conversation with her that I'm so excited to share with you, I also treated myself to one of her natal chart readings for my 50th birthday back in November. So fun. I felt so seen and connected to. Everything that she shared, and she really helped validate so much about who I already am and how I already operate and navigate in the world. And it was like this astrological permission slip to fully be me. I still have yet to purchase one of the goddess statues from her because I'm waiting. On intuition and the divine moment. But it is going to happen and I'm excited about it. This beautiful soul. Has also shared a really lovely, offering with you, my lovely listener, and I highly recommend checking it out in the show notes. After walking through the world as somewhat of a cynic for many years, Natalie found herself deeply humbled by a quite sudden and profound state of non-ego. In 2014, this 48 hour period initiated her into a lifelong spiritual journey journey. While on this path, Natalie has discovered that unique firsthand spiritual experience can threaten rigid belief systems of religious, secular, and new age people alike. Because of this, she is dedicated to empowering people to look within for the security they seek, and to release complete dependency on blind belief or external systems to guide them. Over the past 10 years, Natalie has been certified in Mindful Schools, reiki level two, and has graduated from the spiritual guidance mentorship program at Atlantic University. Natalie is also an ordained Avalon Rose priestess through the Avalon Rose Chapel in Glastonbury, England in the Mungle world, Natalie is an actress, singer, dancer, choreographer, director, and playwright. She holds a BA in musical theater performance, and MA in theater education, was a high school theater director for seven years and is passionate about the connection between spirituality, mental health, and the arts, and the powerful healing effects that they can have, especially for disadvantaged youth. You are in for such a treat. I'm really excited to share this intuitive conversation with you. Okay. My lovelies. Here we go.

Heather 4:30

Natalie, welcome, welcome, welcome to the Hear Her podcast. It is so good to be here with you today.

Natalie 4:37

Thank you. Thank you so much for having me.

Heather 4:40

Yes, I am so excited for this conversation. Me too. My lovely listeners, before we get started, let us land together. So inviting you if you're able to pause in this moment that you're listening, if it feels safe for you to close your eyes, to feel your feet on the ground. Just noticing where your breath is in this moment, leaving behind shame and judgment. And making awareness your friend, you may notice that there's a place in your body that feels a little tense or a little tight, inviting you to breathe into that space and exhale the energy from that space that's ready to be released. Take a moment, scan your body, see if there's any spaces like that for you, and breathe. And as you breathe, inviting you to exhale anything that was going on before you landed here with us, knowing that you can go back to it when you're finished. Exhaling anything that you have coming up after you listen as you breathe, tapping on your heart space, showing gratitude for the gift of presence, inviting you to land here with us now. Nice, deep breath. Beautiful. And if you wanna linger in this space with your hands on your heart or your hands on your womb, inviting you to do so. If it feels good to wiggle some fingers and toes or shake your arms and hands out, stomp your feet and when you feel complete, inviting you to open your eyes and land in the present moment here with us. So good to be here with you, Natalie.

Natalie 6:25

Thank you and thank you for that. I feel better already.

Heather 6:29

Amazing. Yeah. I always like to do that. I, I often say, I'm not your guru, I'm a sister traveler. I do the work because I need the work. So doing that at the beginning, for me, it's, it's also for me. So thank you.

Natalie 6:42

Yeah. I totally get it.

Heather 6:44

Thank you for being in that moment with me. So let us begin. Where we always do wanna hear her podcast. Natalie, will you share with us how you sprinkle your magic in the world?

Natalie 6:56

I would love to, and I love, uh, that question. I love the way you phrased it. Sprinkle your magic. Um, sounds like a little fairy. Um, yeah. So I'm passionate about a lot of things and, um, I do a lot of things, uh, for my work. But the first thing that came to mind when you asked me that is, um. Something I've become even more passionate about lately, which is bringing a, bringing awareness to people around, uh, the dangers of cult dynamics in our society. I think everyone can agree that we're seeing those kind of dynamics sort of infiltrate the mainstream. Politics as well as spiritual spaces. And, I've come to the realization personally that the only thing that really matters is the truth and our ability to perceive it.

Heather 7:47

Mm-hmm.

Natalie 7:48

And so I feel. Really passionate about that. And, um, sometimes people react. They have all different ways of reacting to this. Um, but in, you know, to me from, from my end, um, that's only misunderstanding, you know, because if you start, mm. Hyper attachment to ideologies, whatever the ideology is, uh, that can ruffle a few feathers. Um, but people misunderstand it as, you know, as an attack on their morality or something like that. Um, but it's really just comes from a place of, of wanting to bring the collective into an alignment with objective reality. Um, because the opposite is. Um, not good, just for lack of a better word. Uh, so yeah, that's what came to mind first. That's what I am. I've been really passionate, I've always been really passionate about that ever since I was a kid, and I found out what brainwashing and cultism were. I remember thinking, wait, why? Why aren't we all. Why are we all just chill right now? This is a thing, like I was very, so it's just, I don't know, something that's always been really, um, important to me. And, um, I write about it on my substack. Uh, I have lately much more. So hopefully that is magic. That is,

Heather 9:13

yeah.

Natalie 9:13

Wrinkled.

Heather 9:14

Yes. Awareness is so important.

Natalie 9:17

Yeah,

Heather 9:18

awareness is so important. And when you said, um. That you're so passionate about the truth and our ability to perceive it.

Natalie 9:26

Yeah.

Heather 9:27

Just let those words settle. Right. And if you would take a moment to maybe explain to our listeners or to dive a little deeper just into that idea, into that concept.

Natalie 9:42

Yes, thank you. I, oh, it gets really deep. It, it's, I think that, you know, if you're gonna speak and just. You know, everyone has a term for God, uh, spirit to the universe. Whatever you wanna say, ultimate, um, the ultimate good, whatever you wanna say. Um, God is truth, you know, and there is objective reality and objective truth, and, and it's what it's creation unfolding in front of us. At every moment that we're alive to witness it. It's just that's what it is. Reality, truth, God, it's all the same thing. And it's all happening in this moment, and in this moment, and in this moment right here. And our ability to perceive it with our eyes, ears, brains, that's what. That's what we're doing. That's the whole point. And if we're, and I've noticed, and I'm sure many listeners have too, if people are out of alignment with objective, present moment, reality and truth, they're always going to do damage, whether they mean to or not. Usually it's, um, within the illusion that they're doing good. You know, especially with, with talking about cult dynamics. Um. And it just seems very simple to me in that sense that we're always going to find. The right thing to do if we're present. That's why, and I connect this back to, um, what you talk about as far as intuition and how important it is to be, uh, connected to your intuition, because that's your present moment awareness. That's your knowing in the moment. Right? And that's what's gonna, and it's, and nothing is full proof. People might say, you know, we have to have. Object, you know, systems to go by, like principles, lists. Um, and I'm not knocking a list of principles. Principles are great, but, um, we've gotta be in tune with, with our wisdom of our bodies in the moment because that's where reality is unfolding. Creation is unfolding. God is unfolding, whatever you wanna call it. Um. I hope that makes sense.

Heather 11:44

It does make sense.

Natalie 11:45

Okay.

Heather 11:46

That's very potent. I love that you were like, we're gonna go deep. And the first thing I thought of was like, well, Scorpio season on a Scorpio. I think you have some Scorpio.

Natalie 11:55

I have a ton.

Heather 11:56

Let's dive in. Let's,

Natalie 11:57

let's do it. I love this.

Heather 12:00

So what came, what came up for me when you were talking about this was. You know, you said ever since you were a child, right? That this was something that was, you were really passionate about bringing awareness to. And so I wonder was that coming from this innate, like inner wisdom place? Or, and or did you or someone you love have an experience with a cult?

Natalie 12:25

That's such a good question and I've thought about this a lot. Um, I think that my family in general, um. Has sort of inherited a collective religious trauma.

Heather 12:38

Right?

Natalie 12:39

Um, I think, you know, 50% of the baby boomer population kind of left traditional church, right? Because they were, um. Sort of fed up with empty ritual. And of course this is in all churches, but, um, empty ritual and, and cult and cult like dynamics, you know, and, and, um, not being allowed to ask questions or getting answers that made sense. So I think that, um, I sort of inherited that and, uh, yeah, that, that sort of works its way into. Relationships into dynamics, that kind of thing. Even if you weren't actually in a cult, you know, you, there's effects of, and I think a lot of us in our society have this collective religious trauma. It's why some of us are overly skeptical. I'm not knocking skepticism, that's a good thing. But, um, I personally was a huge cynic before I had my experience and I blame it on this, um, collective religious trauma, but. I also think, see I've had a past life, um, regression session and, um, the first thing the woman said was that I was in a cult in my past life and I just started crying. And it's so weird. Like I wasn't, I was going in, you know, with like. And I was just like, we'll see what happens. I don't know what this is, how legit this is, and I, it felt like a therapy session. I was like, I think this is true. I think I was in a cult in a past life and. Another crazy thing she said, first thing she said, you were in a cult where you weren't allowed to sing or dance. And I'm a musical theater major, and I get in like I am ecstatic. Like I'm weirdly happy about singing and dancing more than other people to the point where it's like, that makes sense, I'm healing here. I think, you know, it was, it was taken from me in a past life. So. Yeah. Anyways, that's uh, all I've got as far as, um, how my past might be affecting this. I've got theories, but

Heather 14:45

yes. Oh, I'm so glad you shared that bit because I was having this, like talking about being aware of your body I was going on in your body. Like when you were talking in the beginning and you were talking about, you're like, I don't know. Ever since I was younger, I just got this. That's why I asked like. You know, was this just like something inside of you, this intuition that you needed to do this, and then when you brought up past life, I'm like, uh, yeah.

Natalie 15:07

Yeah, I think so.

Heather 15:09

That's really interesting, really interesting. And you know, I, I, I don't like to do too much research on my guests. If I know them, I know them. That's one thing. But because we like, I like to have these kind of like, ooh, this is what's coming up for me. Conversations I have read a little bit, like here and there on your website and, um, you know, listen to a little bit of a podcast and here and there, and I've definitely heard you. Speak about your cynicism and how before a specific experience that you had, you were quite the cynic and you know, there are a lot of people out there who are cynics and like super discerning and that's, that's not a bad thing, but it's, it's interesting, uh, to me, and I've recently had a couple of clients come to me for energy work that are like, I'm just letting you know, I'm a total cynic, but for some reason I'm very called to be here. Cool. Okay,

Natalie 16:00

let's like,

Heather 16:01

let's do it, let's see what happens. Like, you know, it's all present moment. This is co-creation. So

Natalie 16:06

yeah,

Heather 16:07

I would love for you to share maybe for the cynics out there, right? Or, um, people who have had these experiences that really change them and, you know, they start, whatever you wanna call it, a spiritual awakening or their spiritual journey. Could you speak to, um, what helped you shed the skin of all the skepticism?

Natalie 16:29

Yeah, I'd love to. So yeah, I was a major cynic. Nothing was real. I was very arrogantly agnostic. Um, yeah, I wasn't very nice about it. But again, you know it, and a lot of people are like that. And I, like I said earlier, I think it, that mindset is a reaction to a world where. There is so much, I'm just gonna say psychological abuse, just collectively, you know what I mean? And, um, in a lot of experiences, the, the church has failed certain people for not being spiritually grounded. And, um, gravitating again towards more like. Culty habits. And so, um, that's, you know, here's an example. I was 15 when nine 11 happened.

Heather 17:24

Mm-hmm.

Natalie 17:25

And I was already just sort of like, not into church. I didn't like, it felt weird. And then, um, you know, we were told that the men who flew the planes thought they were going to heaven for what they did. And I was just like. Religion is the, I was done. Like, I was like, that is the purest evil, that's the worst. And so, um, that's why, you know, I, I was like that and, and, um, so there's reasons there, but I didn't realize that it's sort of like reactive, um, and, and a symptom of, of psychological abuse, you know, to be that, to be like that. So I, um. I was sort of like that up until I was 27 years old. And then, um, I read the Power of Now and I remember thinking, oh, this is just true stuff. He's just saying true things. Um, this is cool. And I got excited about it. Um, but I didn't try meditation until months later. And then I had a really. Profound experience just alone in my bedroom, um, through meditation where I kind of went unconscious and came back and, and this point 11 years later, it feels like I should just say that I died and came back..

Heather 18:48

Wow.

Natalie 18:48

Because it just feels like that's, that's what happened, you know? But I relate to people that have died in the hospital and come back, but I was, my body was not sick or, you know, I just went away. So there's something really powerful, I really believe in, in the power of spiritual experience as opposed to just blindly believing in a. In a system that you inherited or that everybody else likes. You know, I am not about identity, I'm about experiences because those are real, you know? And, um, after that, if I was like, well, this is, uh, I, I can't deny what's happening. I can't deny what's happening to me. And I, I have to go through a whole years, years and years, uh, worth. Long process of having, um, a transformation in my, in my worldview to integrate the reality of the experiences that were happening to me.

Heather 19:51

Hmm.

Natalie 19:52

Yeah.

Heather 19:53

Hmm. When you were talking about the 10 years, I kind of got this like little chill and like this feeling of like, I got these like whispers of like winter. I mean, did it feel like you were kind of going in into this descent and speaking of Scorpio right in the season and winter and like. You know, just having the natural world be a reflection, which I love. I love. So did it feel like that to you?

Natalie 20:17

Yes. Um, I talk about this on my podcast often, that there is a pattern, and this isn't everyone, but a lot of the times when people are having spiritual experiences, there are very high highs, but also very low lows. And that can be for different reasons. Um, but for me. I, because I had created, you know, my family, my friends, my everyone I care about, we all believe the same thing. We all think the same thing. And Natalie's ex just experience, not a belief, but like experience didn't fit into that, you know, system, into that worldview. So I didn't fit and I'm in. Taboo, and I am in the closet. It's comparable to being a gay person in the closet, I'm not gonna lie. Because their innocent experience challenges people's beliefs. So I got, I felt in the years following, I had to really. Dive deep, read, watch YouTube videos, research, find what I could, and then not really talk about it with anyone. And you don't realize when something's happening to you, like looking back, you have your wisdom. Um, but that was, it became harder and harder and harder. And then I had to just. Come out and start my own podcast and do what I'm doing now.

Heather 21:42

Huh? Is that how your podcast really was? You know, the Phoenix rising, that's what I'm seeing, right? Like, was that your, way of expression? Because to be alone with something like that or any type of profound spiritual experience and not have people to talk about it with is really difficult. To not, you know, it's like even at the beginning of an intuitive journey when you're like, oh wait, like, you know, it's not just the unicorns in the world that have this intuition thing, like we all do. Oh, like, so doing that on your own, going that journey alone, not having like a group of people or a safe space, right? Like where there's no, um, this is why I really love Women's Circle. Um, at least the ones I've been to and hosted. Right. There's no fixing, nobody's trying to fix you. It's we're witnessing you, we're holding you where you are and it's all valid.

Natalie 22:40

Yes.

Heather 22:40

What you're telling us is valid for you, so it's valid in this circle, and we're holding that for you and we're here for you to talk it through and explore it and explain it. So like, was the podcast kind of that for you because you didn't quite have a group of people, or did you have, or did you also have that.

Natalie 22:57

Yeah, the podcast was that for me. It's been really healing. It's been super healing to interview all of these people that. Have had very similar experiences to my own. Um, and to put it out there in the world and to tell people's stories, to show to listeners, to showcase, you know, it's not just me. It's so many people that have these innocent experiences. And to have them come on and tell them is, yeah, it was more healing than I even could imagine, actually. And I relate. I always relate. Even though every story's different, I relate in some way. So yeah, that's been a really beautiful thing. Yes,

Heather 23:37

yes. I would imagine it's so healing. You're not only giving yourself a voice. You know, and validation. You're also giving all of these other people who are having these experiences of voice, and it's this like, right, we're, each threads of this big fabric is how I look at the world, the web, right. The sacred web. And so how beautiful that you're weaving these threads together and giving these people space to speak about their experiences.

Natalie 24:02

Yeah. Well, thank you. Yeah. It's, it's been, like I said, I knew it would be. Really amazing. I didn't realize how, how healing it would be. And I also realized another reason that it's so. Healing is because, during those years where I was trying to find people to talk to again, and this takes us back to the themes we were talking about earlier. You gravitate towards certain communities that have certain vibes or labels and you think, oh, they're gonna get it because they are saying they're spiritual or they're saying they're Buddhist or that whatever it is, and you get your hopes up. And you're like, oh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna just come out. These are gonna be my friends. And that's not the case. It wasn't the case, um, many, many times. And it, it started to get. Make me feel really, depressed. But with the podcast, it's not about labels or anything. These, everyone is so diverse. I have people from all walks of life. It doesn't matter what their labels are or their job or their socioeconomic status, like nothing, um, matters. They're all different. And the common link is a real truthful, present moment experience in reality.

Heather 25:18

Hmm. Yes. So beautiful. Thank you you for shining that light. I love that so much. And so what's coming for me is like I'm seeing like little Natalie and I'm curious in terms of intuition. Was this a piece of your life, like as a kid growing up? You know, there are people who are like, oh yeah, I grew up in this amazing, intuitive family. More often than not, the people I talk to are like, no. Like this was something that happened later for me. So I'm curious, even if you didn't call it intuition, were there little experiences or things that drew you to like, oh, there's this inner thing.

Natalie 25:56

Yeah. Yeah, I, so looking back, I did have intuitive experiences as a kid and a young adult, and I just was like, well, that's weird. And moved on, you know, because that's what I was taught to do and that's what we all did. And looking back. I was like, whoa, I was a psychic person. Nobody. And we don't put any value on that. We just shr it off and it's actually so cool. And, maybe we should give it a little more credit because Yeah, I did, I had pretty cool experience as a kid and, I remember, I've actually used this example a couple times on my podcast, but that, TV show, Carmen San Diego. There was like a portion where they would do trivia. Mm-hmm. And there are multiple choices. And I have a memory of guessing, even though I had no clue what they were talking about.'cause I'm seven years old, I guessed every answer. Right. I just knew and, and then I, and I told my parents, they were like, cool.

Heather 26:55

Right. Yeah. You had a knowing, like I would say, right? Imagine if in preschool and kindergarten, you know, our kids were learning about their inner voice, they were learning about inner wisdom. They were being taught to like really tap into their body, right? When we talk about intuition, a lot of people, I feel like, think it's like this all up in the ether thing. It's a very grounded, earthy, like it is your body. Your body is your intuition. Everybody experiences it maybe a little bit. Differently, but it's the opening your senses, right? So imagine if little Heather and little Natalie didn't feel weird because they had these experiences and you know, we were taught at that young age to learn how to trust ourselves and our experiences and, and you know, meditation and getting quiet and this idea of. You know that there's this connection within that ties us all together. Like what a different world we would be living in.

Natalie 27:54

I know I think about that too. How, who would I, what would I be doing now if I had started back then, you know?

Heather 28:01

Yes.

Natalie 28:02

Yeah, I agree.

Heather 28:03

And I think it's so cool to watch, you know, newer generations and I know, you know, women that I work with, people, women that I'm friends with, they're passing these things along to their kids and it's still so rare. Like, I'll say something to my, my kids and I for, since they were very young, we've talked about eq, right? Emotional intelligence. And I'll say something and, my teenagers will look at me and be like, mom. The other teamers, they, they don't even know what EQ is. Like you're, you're mistaken that you think everybody grew up knowing these things. I'm like, right.

Natalie 28:34

Yeah.

Heather 28:34

Yeah. So did you have experiences along the way? That I like to call them breadcrumbs. When, you know, when I have people say like, well, I don't know. You know, the skeptics especially. Yeah. And it's hard to trust ourselves because of the deep conditioning, right. To always look outside of ourselves for everything that we need. And so it's, the little breadcrumbs of truth, right. You say about truth seeking. For me, as an intuitive, it was a constant, like something would happen and I would, it was like a little like scientist with a field journal. I would like write it down. It would be a lot of things of like, if I don't write this down, I'm never gonna think it was real because I'm so conditioned to think this is weird.

Natalie 29:13

Mm-hmm. Yeah. So

Heather 29:14

can you share maybe a couple breadcrumbs that you received that you were like, okay, like. You know, I'm gonna have to come back to the trust thing because you know, of the conditioning. But yes, I'm, I'm leaning towards trusting me.

Natalie 29:26

Yeah, totally. I have, I've done the same thing. I have like Google documents, I'm like, I gotta keep track of this. So is this before, after the experience, you're wondering about the, just, um,

Heather 29:38

anything that, anything that bubbles up for you? Anything that feels like significant in this, in this moment that we're speaking.

Natalie 29:44

Yeah. Breadcrumbs. So I guess before it, before the big, the big one, uh, I did have other things. I had an experience where, um, I had dated someone and he had moved away, like far away, another state, and I was bummed about it. I was really sad, actually, I'm not gonna lie. And, um, so. I, I didn't talk to him that much, you know, trying to distance myself. But I would have these dreams at night where I would watch him hanging out with the wrong crowd, selling drugs and getting into fights.

Heather 30:20

Hmm.

Natalie 30:21

And I remember waking up, being really concerned and then wanting to call him and being like, don't be a crazy girl. You know? And then at the end of the summer, he. Reached out and said, you know, I think I'm gonna move back home because I've been selling drugs, hanging out with the wrong crowd and getting into fights. And I was

Heather 30:44

like, my chunk right there. What? I was like,

Natalie 30:47

oh, well I've been watching you in the astral. I didn't mean to my bad.

Heather 30:52

Wow.

Natalie 30:53

But, um, back then, I don't know, I was in my early twenties, so I just, I told him straight up and he, he got a little freaked out. But yeah, I, but then again, I was just like, that was so weird. And then that was it.

Heather 31:04

Yeah. Yeah. That is quite the breadcrumb.

Natalie 31:09

Yeah. I think that would be remote viewing, I guess.

Heather 31:12

Yeah. My

Natalie 31:13

accident. But

Heather 31:15

like clairvoyancy in your sleep.

Natalie 31:18

Yeah. And I've noticed that these things and this, I'm probably not the only one. They happen more so, um, with, when you have an emotional connection.

Heather 31:27

Mm-hmm. At

Natalie 31:28

least with me, you really care. Mm. Um, these things happen more.

Heather 31:33

Yeah, absolutely. Well, as I just look to the right, I, I saw one of your little goddess statues, so I guess that means that we're gonna like switch gears a little bit here.

Natalie 31:44

Okay. Uh,

Heather 31:45

so I'm actually gonna say nothing. People are like, what? Probably like what Goddess statues. I'm gonna let you share. Uh. Natalie is such a talented human being. Oh, thank you. I would love for you to share about, the goddess statues that you make and where did that come from? Where did this creation, where, where was it born?

Natalie 32:09

Oh, that's such a good question. I guess. Around 2021, I was getting my, spiritual guidance certification at Atlantic University and I had a professor that I adored and she had us read a book. Called Meditation Secrets for Women, and I didn't even read the whole book, but just a little bit of that book sparked this catalyst of a divine feminine awakening and realizing that the aspect of the feminine as sacred and as divine has been sort of taken away from us over a thousands of years. And, um. That, that actually really affects the, on the, the consciousness of the, of the collective. Mm-hmm. And the way we view the feminine. So I then I saw a, um, a. I, I, I found out that you could become an ordained priestess in 2025. Like our, I was like, that's a thing you could do.

Heather 33:13

Yes, it's a thing.

Natalie 33:14

And I got really excited about it. And then I tried to find a program that. Felt aligned. Mm-hmm. And I, I came across, Annabelle Dole, and I really liked her program because she has a PhD. You know, it's, it's, it's very much grounded in academics. Um, and there's spiritual portions as well, but that, you know, you have to be like, I, you know, like I said before, you have to be careful about what, Groups that you, you just put yourself into and, be discerning. So I, I really liked Annabelle and within the Priestess program it was also about getting in touch with your creativity. So she had us do projects, I don't think she called them art projects. She had a much cooler name for them than that. Um, but one of them was to make a goddess out of clay. And I remembered as a kid, I loved making things out of clay and. I loved, archetypes. I just in general characters, you know, my theater major and, and Oh yeah, I love that. So it all kind of convened and, and one of the other priestesses in the program said that,, one of her friends makes goddesses out of clay and sells them on Etsy. And I was like, that's what I'm gonna do then.'cause this is so much fun. So yeah, that's how that was born. And now I have. A lot of goddesses on Etsy. This was just the, she's, this one isn't a specific goddess from a a, but. She's like the universe, the whole universe though. Just the divine feminine in general. Um, but yeah, that's where that, um, that came from. And I

34:51

feel

Heather 34:51

like I just saw a reel on Instagram of you making.

Natalie 34:54

Yes,

Heather 34:55

her and sharing poetry, which is such a beautiful thread to the next talent. And, so if you could talk a little bit about the poetry and also the goddesses in terms of intuition. Like does intuition play a role

Natalie 35:11

in

Heather 35:12

creation for you?

Natalie 35:13

Oh yeah. I love anything creative and it's all about intuition for me. I, my brain turns off and it's just a flow state, you know what I mean? And I always try to advocate for the flow state, you know, whenever life is. Confusing or difficult, if you can find that one thing. It doesn't even have to be arts. For some people it's sports, you know? It could be anything that gets you into that intuitive flow state that sort of bypasses, the very logical mind. Uh, beautiful things come from that. And I, and I. Definitely just get in a time goes away. That's another green flag that you're in. The flow state is like, it'll be three hours and it'll feel like two minutes. Yeah. Um, so yeah, definitely intuition And um, I feel like there was another part to the question and I forgot it.

Heather 36:06

Poetry.

Natalie 36:07

Oh, my poetry. Yeah. The poetry. I was, so before I had this business I was. Freaking out a little bit because I had quit my teaching job, sold my home. You know, this is a lot of people's storylines. After COVID, we all, a lot of us had big changes and it was just an open slate for me. And I'm in my late thirties, so that was scary. Um,'cause I wanted to know what was gonna happen next and what to create. And I found that trying to create for the internet. Was difficult because the advice I was getting, um, was basically to put really bluntly was just sell out for the masses. You know what I mean? Like, like take these really deep concepts and beautiful things that you're passionate about and turn it into three quick tips and in little, you know what I mean? So I, I just was having trouble with that and I was trying to find a way to share. Online while, while preserving integrity and, and depth and meaning, and I realized maybe I could just write little poems and put'em on TikTok. Hmm. And, uh, and so I did, and a few of them got a lot of views. Uh, but I don't love TikTok. So that's where the poetry came from, from that, that little chapter where I was doing that. And then now that I have this business and I'm selling these goddesses, I was like, I'll incorporate the, the poetry in there too. I have it all. Um, and it's all the same topics. You know, I have a poem for. All these different goddesses that I've now created out of clay. And if you go to Etsy, you can get a little package and buy them together. Uh, for, for, we're

Heather 37:52

gonna have all that information in the show notes, and you will wanna go to Etsy and you will wanna go to her website and check out all of this amazing, beautiful creations that she's got going on.

Natalie 38:03

Thank you.

Heather 38:05

So I can feel the depth in them. Can feel the Scorpio in, in all of your creations.

Natalie 38:10

I love that. Yes. I have a Scorpio moon and rising and Pluto.

Heather 38:15

Oh, there you go. Yeah. Well, um, so just sticking with the goddesses for a minute because I adore, love the sacred feminine goddesses, archetypal healing, um. I, I have been so intrigued by becoming an ordained priestess, but, uh, it, or, and it hasn't come for me yet. I was doing a lot of time with shamanic, um, training and, and energy healing and those kinds of things, and I'm, so, I think it's so interesting that you, so did my question, if I can get it out, is did you go to the point of being ordained? Like did you do the whole Yeah, I did. How does that. Uh, weave into your life now?

Natalie 39:00

Oh, that's a good question. Um, it was really ama, it was an amazing journey to really learn the history.

Heather 39:10

Mm-hmm.

Natalie 39:10

I mean, she. Had a lot to pack in. She was, she taught us, um, the history of religion, starting with ancient sumaria all the way up to now following, key myths, key points, the evolution of religion, the rise of Christianity, to illustrate the slow. Vilification of the representation of the divine feminine and how, the demonization of paganism is woven into that. You know, it is just really eye-opening to look at the big picture and then to see how much it's in play. Today, uh, it's, you know, everything's an effect of, of the previous times and, and you can see it playing out today. So, um, yeah, I don't even know how to answer it really. I guess it's just always in my awareness now

Heather 40:05

mm-hmm.

Natalie 40:06

That you can just see the big picture of how this played out for, um, society or even the world. And, um, now it's about finding. Balance, I guess. I guess that would be the right answer that I'm looking for. It's like, it's, it's not about claiming that the feminine is better,'cause then we're still, we're guilty of the very thing that we're trying to fight against when we do that. And so constantly finding balance between the masculine and the feminine. Right. And left brain within yourself, within your life, within your partnership. It's actually about appreciating the enlightened masculine and what that brings.

Heather 40:50

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Natalie 40:51

Instead of demonizing and just doing the same mistake that they did, whoever they are, it's a lot of people. So balance comes when we see that the opposite. Is here to balance us out and bring what we cannot bring to the table what we're incapable of bringing. Um,

Heather 41:09

yeah,

Natalie 41:09

and I know this isn't, I just see it in politics, like we don't have to talk about politics or anything, but I really see. In politics, this, masculine and feminine just at war.

Heather 41:21

Mm-hmm.

Natalie 41:22

And they just need to see what the other one can bring.

Heather 41:25

Yeah.

Natalie 41:26

Because they, the other side, whatever side you're drawn is always there to bring what, what you, you are lacking. So

Heather 41:33

yeah. The Sacred Union is where it's at.

Natalie 41:36

Yeah.

Heather 41:37

Both. It's exhausting. Right? It's for it to just be one or the other.

Natalie 41:42

Mm-hmm.

Heather 41:42

I love that. That's so beautiful. Okay. Out of all of the goddesses you've sculpted,

Natalie 41:48

yeah.

Heather 41:48

You've been your top three that like when you're creating them, you've just been like soaked in there energy. Oh,

Natalie 41:56

that's such a good question. Honestly, all of them I could not pick. I just love making them. Um. I get really excited when people order the personalized one.

Heather 42:09

Just gonna ask about that. Yeah, talk about it. Talk about it.

Natalie 42:13

I get so into it, because, um, I, so I'll, so to explain to listeners, I'll look at someone's astrological birth chart and I'll make a little statue,, that looks like them, but. It's based on their chart. So to put in really simple terms, you know, water signs usually end up being mermaids and fire signs end up having phoenix wings, things like that. But all the decoration and all the symbology,, ends up creating something really unique that looks like you, that's supposed to depict your soul, you know, divine, wild and free is what I always say when I describe them. And, um. And just serve as a, a little 3D reminder of how cool you are as a human being. You're, you're, you're, um, and that you have a unique makeup and you're here to be you. And, I just love doing that. And they're all different.

Heather 43:10

There will live a little, uh, freebie in the show notes that Natalie has been so generous to share. So definitely check that out, uh, because I believe There was a discount on a goddess statue in, yeah. Yes. So hear her listeners check that out for sure. And I can't even believe we're almost at time. I would love to get into astrology real quick. That's a, because that's a quick, easy thing to talk about. Yeah. And I love to talk about astrology. So where, in your timeline, how or how did, you become attracted to this thread of astrology to weave into your work?

Natalie 43:46

So I guess, um, couple years after sort of my big spiritual experience, I, I was still not trusting of anything that I hadn't experienced myself. And so, but I was open'cause I was like, well, if this is real. Then maybe other things are real. And I was having, like I said, a kind of a difficult time and I was like, I'll just get a birth chart reading. Who knows? And then I got the reading a shout out to Nick Laskey. He's local to Richmond, Virginia. It, it blew my mind. I was like, this, this is very, very accurate and I trust myself to be discerning enough to understand that, you know, not, not everyone that just had this reading would feel as validated as I do right now because this is me that he's talking about, um, and that he's peering into my soul. So after that, I realized. This is actually one of my passions. I mean, it's all archetypes. It's all story. It, it's, um, the story of, that's something I write about on my substack monthly is I'll, I'll create, I'll write, um, an astrology report, but I call it the story in the sky. Mm-hmm. And it's what the gods and goddesses are doing in the sky right now. And, uh, how that. Symbolically affects the energy for us here on Earth. And, um, it's just so cool that it's real. Like what? And it's not explainable, you know, it is very mysterious, but having so much experience with it now, I just know that it's very accurate and, um, magical and beautiful and I love giving birth chart readings for the same reasons that I was describing why I love making the personalized pieces. Yeah.'cause I really want to give other people what I experienced in that birth chart reading that I had and where you really see yourself.

Heather 45:44

Yeah.

Natalie 45:44

You're validated and inspired to be you is what I hope to give to people.

Heather 45:50

That's so beautiful. And that's the other piece of, of the freebie that you're sharing, right? Was the, I think it was like a 10 or 15 minute, natal chart, birth chart reading, which I did, this little mini reading. And let me tell you listeners, it was exactly what Natalie is saying. I felt so seen. It was extremely validating and made me want to dig deeper. And I think I, I've had. Birth chart readings at a couple points in my life when I was younger, and I think like anything else. It takes a, a few times to hear something mm-hmm. Or study something where it really, sinks in for you. So I'm really looking forward to, to doing more work with you, Natalie, and, and digging Thank you. Deeper into the, into my birth chart mysteries, if you will. And I invite listeners to check the freebie out. And if you're local to the area, you're, are you in Charlottesville?

Natalie 46:47

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Heather 46:48

Natalie is local.

Natalie 46:49

Yeah.

Heather 46:50

So amazing. And I, I'm seeing like parts of your website that I skimmed over. Did I also see that you, that you have other modalities that you use? Like maybe human design?

Natalie 47:01

Yes, I am like a modality nerd. I love finding patterns across modalities. So you find patterns within the modality and then you can go find. You know, astrology and the Enneagram and, and human design are the three that I, I like the most. And then when you find patterns across those, it's extra validating.

Heather 47:23

Oh yeah, I imagine.

Natalie 47:24

I have a program where it. It's, I guess it's technically a coaching program, where we have multiple sessions and we dive into multiple modalities and we really dive deep, into those patterns. I call it, um, soles keeping in theme with the Celtic language, meaning light.

Heather 47:43

Oh, I love that. I was just gonna ask, do you have an offering where you use all three and you just shared it, so that's so beautiful.

Natalie 47:50

Thank you.

Heather 47:50

Fun. That's amazing. So before we go, I'm gonna ask you to take a moment, as much time as you need to place your hand over your heart and sink into a message that's coming up that's rising for you to share with the listeners.

Natalie 48:08

I mean, the same message is on my heart that I've been bringing up throughout our time together today. And if I were to sum it up, it's that. It's just to remember that the divine exists in the now and not in a label. In this, in what feels like a safety net labels, or ideologies feel safe, but they can really get in the way of truly aligning with the divine that's alive in the here and the now. And that's real. So I hope I don't sound like a broken record, but

Heather 48:50

Not at all.

Natalie 48:51

That's what I, I'm so much about right now.

Heather 48:54

That was beautiful. Thank you for sharing. And we will have all of your information in the show notes. If you would like to share just like. What is the easiest way to connect and get into your world? Is it your website

Natalie 49:06

Yeah, my website. If you go to the contact, it will, you can send me an email, um, natalie@sheart.com and then I am really active on Instagram, which is she.channel Art. She is actually spelled S-I-D-H-E'cause it's the The ancient Irish word for nature spirit.

Heather 49:29

Beautiful. Oh, Natalie, this was so fun. Thank you so much for coming on and being willing to sink into an intuitive conversation and just see what comes up. It was really lovely speaking with you.

Natalie 49:41

Thank you so much, Heather. This has been really wonderful. Thank you.

Heather 49:45

Lovely listeners. Thank you. Thank you. Until next time, wrapping you in a warm healing hug.

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I.

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