Ep. 73: Magic in the Mundane: Returning to the Sacred Web with Diomira D'Agostino

Welcome back to the HEAR HER podcast!

In this episode, Heather is joined by Diomira Rose D'Agostino—writer, mystic, and earth-rooted guide—for a deeply nourishing conversation about remembering… again and again.

They explore what it means to live connected to the sacred web in a modern world that constantly pulls us away. Diomira shares her early life experience of holding both wonder and instability, how that shaped her sensitivity, and why practice (not perfection) is the way back.

This episode is an invitation to soften, breathe, and remember nature’s heartbeat within you.

 We Explore:

• Remembering nature’s heartbeat within us (and the gentleness of “forgetting + returning”)
• Childhood sensitivity, polarity, and learning to feel for safety in unstable environments
• Spiritual awakening as an embodied path — where magic meets the mundane
• Why discernment matters (and how to tell ego, inner critic, soul voice, and guidance apart)
• The importance of release, boundaries, and untangling over-giving patterns
• Trusting what’s real in you — even when the mind tries to second-guess it
• Flower essences as nature’s medicine for the soul (and how they support intuition + self-trust)

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Website: https//www.diomirarose.com
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Diomira’s Books: https://diomirarose.com/books/

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We Mentioned
Autobiography of a Yogi 

Flower Essences Shared in This Episode

• Impatiens — for urgency, irritability, and impatience
• Bellflower — for body-based intuition and inner alignment
• Cerato — for self-doubt and strengthening self-trust
• Queen Anne’s Lace — for discernment + staying rooted while receiving guidance

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Transcript

Speaker 0:05

Hello, lovely listeners and welcome back to another episode of the Hear Her podcast. It is so wonderful to be here with you if you're new around here. Welcome, welcome, welcome. I'm Heather, founding mother of Divinely Sensitive, an energy doula and spiritual guide. Us Walking Women Home to themselves and at the heart of my work is the Hear her sister. An online space to come home to yourself again and again and again. It's a place to explore your intuition at your own pace, rooted in the sacred feminine, the seasons, and the natural world. Inside, you'll find monthly guided journeys. Meditations, Oracle Readings, live gatherings. Simple yet potent practices and so much more. All alongside a loving community of like-hearted women, learning to trust themselves in these uncertain times. So if you're feeling the pull for connection or support, there's a link in the show notes to join our online community. And if you're local to the Charlottesville area or passing through, come see me at Overs, soul Healing Center. It's such a cozy spot. I offer Reiki, private sound, bath, and intuitive energy medicine sessions. I would love to meet you where you are.

Speaker 3 1:43

Before speaking with today's guest, I had the pleasure of reading her most recent magical memoir. So good, such a rich story filled with vulnerability, intuitive magic, and heart. I felt as if I was learning about intuition and visiting these sacred sites right alongside her. I feel really lucky that I've met this beautiful local soul steeped and intuitive magic Dira Rose. Dino is a teacher of the earth mysteries, a soul path, mentor and guide, certified flower essence healer, soul astrologer, Plant spirit, ceremonialist and meta physician. After a decade of engaging with the mystic, elemental, and fairy inhabitants of different lands and sacred sites around the world. In 2018, Humira founded New Aval. A garden and forest sanctuary dedicated to fostering, respectful and mutual healing relationships with the ancient spiritual forces of the land where she lives. She is an ordained healing minister of Inner Quest metaphysical Church, where for six years she studied the healing and psychic arts, meditation, energy principles, and metaphysical laws of the universe. She's undergone additional apprenticeships in herbalism, plant spirit, healing medicine, wheel training, and shamanic ceremonial arts. Dira is the author of three published books, including the most recent magical memoir. Initiation, my fairy soul awakening. It was so good. I highly recommend reading it Okay, you are in for such a treat. Let's dive into this beautiful, intuitive conversation. Here we go.

Heather 3:21

Diomira, thank you so much for joining us on the Hear Her podcast. It is so wonderful to be here with you today.

Diomira 3:30

Thank you so much, Heather, for having me. I'm really excited about whatever conversation wants to unfold between us.

Heather 3:37

Me too, lovely listeners, welcome, welcome, welcome. We're gonna start as we do with a little grounding. So if you feel safe to close your eyes, I invite you to do so. And if it feels good to place a hand on your heart or your womb, whatever feels good for you, allowing yourself to bring awareness to your breath. Just noticing where your breath is in this moment. No shame. No judgment, just awareness. Feeling your feet on the ground and bringing your awareness to that energy where the bottoms of your feet touch the ground. And as you feel that energy inviting you to slow and deepen your breath, whatever way feels good for you. With every breath, allowing your physical body to soften. If your shoulders feel tight, taking a nice deep breath and letting them fall, softening your belly and as you breathe, allowing yourself on that exhale to release anything that's blocking you from being here in this present moment with us letting go of anything that was happening before we landed here together and letting go of anything that you have going on after. And a beautiful reminder, you may not be here with us live. Just inviting you to remember that all time is now. And whenever you listen, we are with you. Take three nice deep breaths at your leisure. Breathe. Breathe. And as you breathe and allow yourself to soften and slow down, we're being brought back to the energy in our feet. This beautiful reminder of our connection to the earth, to the energy of the earth, inviting you to breathe in that beautiful, expansive, wise energy, allowing it to come up your legs to your belly, up to your heart space, all the way around your face, your throat, all the way up and out the crown. Breathing in and breathing out this beautiful energy that connects us all in this sacred web. And when you feel complete, inviting you to open your eyes and land here with us in this precious present moment, such a gift. Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome. So Demira, as we always start on the podcast, how is it that you sprinkle your magic on the world

Diomira 8:28

through The remembrance of nature's heartbeat within us. Mm,

Heather 8:37

let's breathe that in for a minute. Listeners. The remembrance so beautiful and so important and so potent because, I have noticed in my own journey of awakening that there has been a lot forgotten of our connection, to more than what our modern day reality is. And so thank you, thank you for sprinkling that magic. We need that light in this world.

Diomira 9:15

And it's also a, as you were saying that I was thinking. The continued forgetting even after the awakening. It's then the daily forgetting and then the beauty and also the self-forgiveness that comes with having to, um, yeah, be gentle with ourselves when we do forget again and again and again. And then we just get to wake up and remember again and again and again.

Heather 9:41

I'm so glad that you brought that up because that resonates so deeply for me and listeners. With all of, the things that we talk about on this podcast, I often come back to the word practice. Because we do forget because we are in this modern, loud, chaotic world with things constantly coming at US, energies from all directions. And it is easy, to forget. It's easy to be distracted, it's easy to, turn to numbing instead of feeling,, and no judgment at all. And, the reason I, I'm saying it is because it resonates for me. And, um, yes, I ha I can clearly share the beginning of my spiritual awakening. And I can tell you from that point to this point, there has been constant forgetting and remembering. So thank you. I would love to hear Dira. If we could maybe just go back to when you were a little girl and if you could share with the audience what growing up for you was like in terms of, this world, in terms of intuition, in terms of energy and connection. And, maybe those words weren't used, however, there may have been a feeling. So just curious how you grew up and how you perceived these things, even if you didn't know the terminology for it at that age.

Diomira 11:12

Yeah, thank you. Such an important question. The, the beginning. So for me, there was a real dichotomy in my world, and on one hand I was. Very much connected to this wide-eyed awe and wonder and innocence that is so much a part of many children's way of being with the world, especially when we're really, really young. And truth be told in that young, you know, those formative years, I wasn't one of these children that was seeing a million ghosts and talking to a hundred angels and seeing fairy beings everywhere. In fact, one of the challenges I had was that the world that I knew that existed a world of magic and wonder and. Beauty and something that can't quite be named something more numinous, something sparkly, but not with the eyes that maybe can be perceived with the heart. That world that I sensed in my heart as a reality, I didn't exactly see that when I would look around me at my everyday life. And so that led to a lot of frustration, even as I was a little girl. I remember oftentimes being really upset that. Why isn't the magic showing itself to me? Why isn't spirit? And I didn't have words for spirit, but for me it was, it was my imaginary playmates and the magical beings who I felt in my heart I was friends with. Where are they? Why aren't they showing up? They do for other people in movies, you know what, why am I not special? And so this was a huge aspect of my childhood. And at the same time, I don't mention this much in my book, but it's kind of alluded to, is that I come from a family that was steeped in alcoholism. And so as a result of that, there was a tremendous amount of pain and, and always feeling not totally safe, not stable, A lot of volatility. The, and just a lot of emotional upheaval and always feeling like I had to press out my energy in all directions to sort of pat the field and check, okay, are we safe now? Is it okay? Is it okay to come out? And so my nervous system and my extra sensory perception was always on high alert in, in this arena. And so while I had this, you know, childlike curiosity and flame of. Innocence. Mm-hmm. I also, there was a lot of confusion and I didn't feel a lot of co encouragement and support, and at the same time, and this is where, you know, not every person, we're all such, you know, we're all such varied facets. We're not one thing. We're so many facets. While on one hand my mom did struggle with alcoholism and emotional challenges, she was also a highly creative being. Those two don't know, sometimes they actually do go hand in hand. Right. She was a highly creative being and she really encouraged creativity in her children, and yet this was in a very cold and sort of distant way where she would nurture artistic exploration, but at the same time, she wasn't necessarily very. Mothering and nurturing. And so I, and so with my unusual curiosity about the spirit world and about even fairy beings and mythological creatures, she was very encouraging about this, that we would create stories together. We would cut out pictures of magazines and build stories to match the ones we told with all of these pictures from the magazines. And it was just this, so it was this interesting crash course in polarity consciousness

Heather 16:31

already right from the beginning. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Wow. Thank you for sharing that. I did not have alcoholism in my family, but I was a child of divorce. Had parents one especially that was dealing with deep depression, um, and anxiety. And so it resonates really deeply for me what you're saying, that there's this like curiosity and wonder and like this light energy on, on one hand. And on the other hand it's like you are almost adulting before you're an adult. Someone on the podcast, I can't remember which season it was. A couple of people actually, we talked about being, chameleons. And because we could pick up so much on the energies that were going on, it felt like our duty or our job, like when you were talking about like padding, is it safe here? Is it, you know? And so for me, I was thinking to myself, wow, that really resonates. And I wonder listeners, if, if it resonates for you as well, that feeling of having to, feel like you're responsible, um, at such a young age for everyone's energy because you're so in tune with energy. So, so interesting. And it was similar for me too in, in that I grew up hearing these stories about my great-grandmother, the seer and, you know, how she told Fortunes in New York City for politicians and, all of these stories of her and watching shows or growing up and being like. I feel these things, but like, why can't I have the same thing? Like why can't I see it? Pe other people see it? I'd be like out in the forest, like, come on. Like, you know that little kid like stomping her feet, like I know you're here. Show yourself this kind of story. And Humira quickly mentions that she has a book. It is a super beautiful book. It's called Initiation. I have read it and I highly recommend it. It is a beautiful story of, well, would you like to share just a little? Sure, yeah, sure. For someone who might be interested in reading, let us know a little bit about your book.

Diomira 18:38

Yeah, it's a magical memoir. It is magical memoir meets travel log and spiritual awakening, and it really traverses multiple continents and multiple timelines as well. And the, the plot point for the book really starts out it's, it depicts my early spiritual journey and the awakening into my, my purpose and who I was and am at a soul level. And just like so many awakenings, this one was catalyzed by a lot of turmoil and, and pain. And in particular, a phobia, a trauma that was sort of ripped open at one point and that ended up. Rupturing, I would say a part of me, for those of you who maybe speak more shamanically. Um, having that soul fracture and, and really then spending the next however many years trying to understand what was happening to me. What was this fear? Why did I feel it on a visceral level that could not be explained rationally? And that took me very, very deeply into who I was at a soul, which was very much connected to fairy,

Heather 20:09

which is why I love it so, so, so much. Oh, it was such a beautiful book. And like I just, I think I said this to you before we came on, like I'm seeing the word courageous and. So courageous of you to dive into your fears and your traumas in this way, and then to share it in the form of a book is just so beautiful. So creative, so courageous. And there's this one, you were talking about magic and like the unseen and, and there's this one part in your book where you talk about, a book that you're reading. I think it's what is the book? The Autobiography of a Yogi. And in it you say, there's this one part where you say, there are two elements though that strike me about this story. First, it is a great reminder that there is more to this world than meets the eye Waiting to be discovered is the potential and magic that exists all around hidden in plain sight. Can we talk about that for a minute? I don't know that there's any non-believers really listening to this podcast, but, that felt like such a big, profound statement and so important especially in this modern world where we're so distracted from what is in plain sight.

Diomira 21:23

Yeah. Yeah. So, oh, this, I mean, this is such a big and multi-layered conversation because. A lot of my work takes us into the intersection, of where magic meets the mundane. Because so often, I mean, I was guilty of this myself when we're starting out on our spiritual journey, I had, you know, the pie in the sky idea of being some transcendent yogi meditating and mystical gnosis on a mountaintop for 18 hours a day in some cave where I was gonna be receiving downloads 24 7. And I'm not sure how I was eating. Oh, I was probably a Breatharian, I forgot. And, you know, I was probably walking on water at that time, had manifested all and totally cultivated all the city powers. So this was this idealized and quite delusional idea of what it was to be. Magic. And as I got deeper and deeper on my path, that idea of course, shattered into a million pieces, uh, was put back together again and broken over and over and over again until now. Where I am in this process is it's this integrated, the more integrated we are in this experience, actually the more we can do what we came here to do because, it's not that there have never been those people that are meditating in a cave for 18 hours a day. There have been, and there probably still are today, and. For many of us born in a western, more modern sort of society where, wherever you were born, you were born for a reason. And so, and that comes with so much, right? That comes with all of the things, everything from economic and socio and, and so many layers. And our souls conspired with the divine to have a soul experience, which oftentimes is contrary to what the ego would like. And with this, as we are doing this journey. The more we can remember ourselves as magic, but then allow that magic to be such an integrated part of our being, the more we can actually be in service and bless the world because we came here to be human. Mm-hmm. We didn't come here to float around being breath s, you know, meditating for 18 hours a day. We came here to be human and be in service in our human, form. And, embodiment is a huge part of that. And. There's a huge epidemic in the spiritual community around spiritual bypassing and not feeling the emotions and hello, guilty also as charged for many, many years. And, um, and why would we wanna feel, you know, this, this existence is steeped in so much pain and through the pain is also beauty. And so, I wanted to start with that, in terms of the magic, because there's magic in the mundane, in the daily, you know, you don't have to have this idea of these high magic ritual experiences. Yes, those exist and there's just as much, if not more magic, depending on how much presence and heart you can bring to it in. Saying hello to the plants and animals when you, when you go outside, when you wake up in opening the door for an elderly person at the grocery store with so much love and so much compassion, these are where we are transforming and alchemizing the world. It's in these moments that are so human and yet they are so magical. We have no idea the magic will transfer that unfolds when we truly bring our presence and our heart to the, to the moment. So that's to me the magic in the mundane. And yes, there are then these other layers and levels, and the more that we ground into who we are, I feel that the more we become. Aware of the totality of our human and the totality of our human encompasses more than just the five senses. It encompasses more than what we can see with our physical eyes. The totality of being human is the fact that we are actually magic. There is magic in your blood and magic in your soul. And so the more that we can embody who we are, the more that magic is allowed to be free within us and to express. And then what starts to happen is it's like this call and response where when your magic within you starts to turn on, you start to become aware of the magic that's been around you. All the time in every moment, breathing, talking to you, singing to you in the breezes, through the trees, in the scattering and scampering of the squirrels, in the blossoming of the flowers. And you see that there's this living song that is taking place all around you and has trying to, has been trying to sing you into it as part of it. Remembering yourself whole and alive and whole and home and, and so then we become a, we are a part of this song, and at the same time, we've forgotten. Our connectedness to this song, we've forgotten how to hear and listen to it. And so when, when our magic within us ignites, then we can hear that song. And I'm talking somewhat in metaphor and at the same time, I'm not really talking metaphorically at all. There is a living, you mentioned it in the meditation, the beautiful grounding. You let us in at the beginning, the sacred web. I think you said that at the end, this sacred web there is a beautiful, and a deer is walking right through my front yard as I'm speaking this right now, there is this beautiful, sacred web we are all a part of. And the way I see it is, I, I, I think of a spiderweb and I think of anytime that I've learned about the extraordinary intricacy of, and beauty and brilliance and technology of a spiderweb. It's like the spider and they're not even sure how the spider really creates it. The spider can sense the vibrations on the web no matter where it is. And so it's the same thing with us is all of us, not just humans, but all of our non-human relatives, the seen and unseen, the plants, the animals, the fungi, but also the unseen beings. The beings who exist, the, the spirits of nature, the Fay and Elvin forces who are indeed kin to us and the closest living kin, they are like ancestors to us. And also the mythological forces like the dragons that run within the land and are in many ways the living lifeblood of the planet. So there's all of these energies that make up this web, and each of us is connected to this web in our own way. And we're all, as we move, as we dance, as we. Interact, we're creating those vibratory energy cords. We're, we're creating those vibrations in that web. That's touching everything. That's singing everything. And it's just, and it's, it's almost the, the joke of the non-human world. Humans, we've become a little bit of the joke of the non-human world as if like we're just these big o os that are walking around, stumbling, not able to hear or see anything. But we used to, we used to be able to, the ancients could, and many of our indigenous brothers and sisters still can. And, so this, this is magic. This is magic. Magic is not a rabid in a hat., It doesn't have to be some highly spiritualized high magic ritual. Magic is what is part of, and always meant to be part of the human's experience. And it's. Every single one of our birthrights, we just have to remember it, just as our ancestors knew it as part of their everyday experience.

Heather 30:35

Wow. Just gonna breathe that in for a minute. Oh, what a beautiful way to talk about all of this. The magic and the mundane. And that rings so true for me. And also guilty, right? Recently in, in another podcast was talking about like, imagine if we learned all of this at a young age, like breathing and slowing down, and that there is more to the world than meets the eye. And, what's coming up for me, I'm seeing it in my, inner vision is this trust. And for me, and I, and I know from reading your book and most people that I have spoken with, In this world that trust is, is a thing. Like it's, it's hard to trust ourselves. We're so conditioned to not trust ourselves. And I,, underline this one part in your book. I can't, I don't know what page it is. It's um, page 1 0 7, A decision is made and, and you're, you're talking at one point you say, contemplating all that has taken place since my arrival in this town, there is this looming temptation to second guess it all. Could I be imagining it all? Am I just making it all up? The trembling aliveness in my soul tells me of its truth. What a beautiful, that last sentence is so beautiful. And so for the listeners out there that are maybe not as far along on their journey, could you share or speak to a little bit about your journey with second guessing yourself and trust? Because I know from my own shamonic training and experiences that. You can have something be so real for you on the inner plane and then coming, to the plane that we're in now here being like, did I make, I, I, I mean so many times in the beginning of my journey, and even sometimes still, it's like if I don't write something down, it's almost like I, I don't believe myself. And I'm curious what that experience was, has been like for you.

Diomira 32:36

Yeah, there's a few pieces to this for me, which is absolutely, so I have. You know, for those of you who are very familiar with astrology, we'll just talk in lingo for a moment. Five planets in Libra, plus an ascendant, all in Libra. So I'm, and what that means for those of you who are not versed in astrology is that I'm heir heavy. And so that means that I'm an heir is characterized by what? For those of you who know the tarot, right? With the swords, it's the mental energy. And so there's a tremendous amount for me more so than maybe some other people. There's a lot in my head at all times. And so I see Heather raising her hand. So with that said, I first of all have had to become really discerning with the different voices in my head and. Early on, and this took years of practice. You know, you can go through a training and learn how to awaken and maybe develop your sacred inner senses, but then putting it into practice and honing it over years takes so long because you have to be really, really discerning, extremely discerning to be willing to challenge yourself and discern. Okay. Is that the voice of the inner critic, is that the voice of the ego? Is that my soul's quiet, always filled with love, voice? Is that the voice of a spiritual ally or ancestor or guide? Right. And this is different from the voice of the soul and, and even, even those in my, in my opinion. Those are. Not the soul, but anybody else. Those are opinions. Those, even those are opinions. I, I think another epidemic I see in the spiritual community is giving our power away to spiritual sources of information. And so we're really at a threshold point where it's really important that as we develop our gifts and as we remember our gifts and let them come online, that's really just the, the beginning. That that's just the tail beginning of the, of the journey. The rest of the journey, and it's a lifelong one, is discernment. And that's what makes, that's honestly the difference between an advanced psychic and a baby psychic. There are so many people who will say that they are naturally gifted psychics, but. Being trained is actually really important because you learn ethics, you learn integrity, you learn spiritual privacy and what it means to not offer information unsolicited because it's a violation. So all these are part of developing these gifts. Just because we can doesn't mean we should. So early on because I had such a loud, loud ego, I had to spend a tremendous amount of time in meditation. This was my, practice and my approach. It may not be. The, the approach that I took may not be approachable or even accessible for everyone else. I was in my early twenties. There was, yes, there, we had internet, of course I'm not that old, but there was no social media, so there was no smartphones. So there was no constant dopamine hits of, and these things that are taking us exactly out of that meditative alpha brain state. So there's a lot more things that are working against us. And for somebody like me, if some of the listers have this loud. This loud mind. Then you have to be almost even more sort of dis disciplined and diligent about what are the mechanisms that you're gonna use in order to sort through and sift and clean and clear a lot of that. So early on, that was one of the things that I spent a lot of time with. I meditated twice a day. I meditated for years, every single day, starting out 15, 20 minutes, and then ultimately getting to almost an hour. But I had the time to do that, and I worked very, you know, chaotic schedules. I worked at night because I worked in the restaurant and bar industry so I could meditate in the mornings and, and that's what I did. And I would write down every single meditation journey that I did. Everything without judgment. I wasn't judging to see. Is this right? Is this wrong? Was this true? Was this good? Was this bad? No. I just write it down and record it just like a dream. And that was a practice for several years. And throughout that time, when I would go back and look through my journals, some of the stuff I would look through that I would come up with when I was meditating, that was supposed to be the voice of my higher self, was pure ego. It was nonsense. It was absolute nonsense. Okay? Thankfully, I didn't just run out the door to act on something right away. Not that I wasn't. Practicing acting on intuition. But you know, if it was a big thing, you should quit this job right now. You know, it's really important to sit with some of these pieces that are coming through. So that was, that was part of the thing that I ran into early on is that my mind was really active. And so not only did, I run into having a lot of chaos that I had to sort through, but also I, it took me a while to what I would call, get off the ground each time in meditation. And this is without smartphones. So each time it would take me. 15 minutes sometimes to do deep breathing so that I could get outta my head to meditate. And so the deep breathing was not meditation, that was just the preparation for the meditation. But I was so committed. And at that time, truth be told, I was chasing enlightenment. You know, I still had this pie in a sky idea that if I did not en become enlightened before I died, that was it. I forget about it. I failed. It was like alls I had done was transfer the whole getting to heaven thing onto this new way of being. That's all I did. I just dressed it up with different words. It was like before it's like 2000 years everybody's getting to heaven now. I was like, no, I'm searching for enlightenment. And so it was always that spiritual. Step of attainment that I could never really reach. So that was, yeah, that was a huge, both stumbling, block. Block, but also had to become, part of my discipline is, was constantly, um, giving myself the extra time I needed to drop in and also finding different ways to drop in. And that's become a huge part of my work, is teaching people how to move into heart consciousness. Because without that, if you can't drop into the, uh, the sacred space of the heart, nothing else matters. It's all, and, and it's very easy. And we see it on Instagram. It's very easy to get sucked up into. Uh, delusion if we're going to be meditating, spiritual delusion and grandiosity. Oh, I was channeling isis. No, you weren't. You were talking to your ego. But, but if, and there's no judgment except when we all of a sudden make it a thing and make it important, it's like, just set it down in your journal. Let it sit, let it marinate. You'll see probably three months later you were not talking to Isis. You were having an exchange with your ego. Um, but, and, and so the, anyways, that was, that was part of it. That was part of my journey of, um, it was really discernment. It was a journey of discernment.

Heather 41:24

Beautiful. Thank you for sharing all of that. And the word practice comes up for me and, you know. People talk about their spiritual awakening or, uh, this incredible course they took, or a mentor that they worked with. And all of those things are valid, true, amazing, and wonderful. And just as you were saying, it's so important to know that that's not it then, then there's so much more that goes with it of, you know, what's coming up for me is all of us also received very differently, like every single one of us. I feel like the way that, we receive messages, journeys, meditation, any of these things, um, is as unique as our fingerprint. I really do feel that, and it's important, I think for the listeners to know. What's coming up for me is like, uh, a client in a, in a journey maybe like, uh, at the end it's like, I, I'm terrible at this. Like, I didn't see anything that you were talking about. And I'll say, oh, well it doesn't mean you're terrible at it. Let's, let's dig in a little bit. Like, what were you feeling? Did you see any colors? So the point there being like, practice is so important because it helps you to learn the way that you discern because I think every, and the way that you receive and the way that it works for you, because I think it's so different for every single one of us. You know, you can be with the most amazing teacher and mentor and I think still two students in the same class are gonna experience things very differently.

Diomira 43:01

Absolutely. We all experience, we all, I mean, we're all unique beings, so of course the way that we interrelate with spirit and with the spirit world is gonna be so unique.

Heather 43:12

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And what was coming up during this for me as well is, the trust is a big piece of it. And I think a lot of this, is sprinkled through your book of, you know, a lot of times I think in my own journey, I've noticed, we become unconsciously we become storage units for energy of like what happened in our childhood or with our families or anything and in, in our life, right? As opposed to at some point when I started learning about energy and all of this, it was like, oh, actually I'm a conduit for this. I'm supposed to allow it to move through me. I'm not supposed to hold everything. I think it came to a point, um, you know. In my later teens, early twenties, where I was just like, I can't hold, like, what is going on? Like, everything just feels so heavy. And now looking back on it with the practice and the knowledge and the time and experience that has passed, it's safe for me to say like, wow. It's 'cause I was never, um, understanding energy or how it worked or that I was holding it all inside of myself. And you talk about in your book, um, about release on page 1 93. Um, and you say, I let go of the people I carry in a carousel of portraits. And you go on of like, uh, who you're releasing and then you say like, have I been carrying all of them? And the next step is to release any judgment of self. That's the most difficult of all. And, I think when we begin these spiritual awakenings and these journeys, it's so important to. Understand that, that there is a lot of release that has to happen. There is a lot of surrender and letting go of needing to know things. Letting go of the mind in terms of like intellectualizing every little thing that comes up and the difference, you know? And you said like a baby psychic versus someone who's practiced for a long time. I can only speak from my own experience, but I do remember in the beginning, it was. Very, very different for me than it is now. And, release also to me is it's not something that you just do once and forget about it. I mean, energy is everywhere. Everything is energy. We're constantly picking things up, especially if we're highly sensitive, especially if we're empathic. And so that having a practice of letting go and releasing and surrendering, is so important. So what, what has your journey been like e energetically with, with release, with letting go, with surrendering?

Diomira 46:03

So on, on one hand, I'm actually obsessed with releasing me too. I am so obsessed with it. My partner loses his mind because I get in my release modes all the time where I start cleaning the closet. These clothes, we haven't worn 'em in nine months. Goodwill, you know, this is stagnant energy. I'm constantly going through my life, certainly on the physical, and then even also on the, you know, internet. How many of those files are just, you know, contacts in our phone that we haven't talked to in five years, 10 years, sometimes, uh, old emails. Just all of this stuff getting cluttered and it all is actually pulling on our energy. Mm-hmm. We don't know it, but it has an effect on our energy and so I am pretty obsessed with releasing. At the same time I realize, and I think that this is, this is quite complex. I'm gonna, I've not really spoken about this, but I'm gonna see if I can put it some language to it. You mentioned that idea of creating these. Strategies when we're younger to create safety, right? Just like I was talking about the example of the padding. And so we come up with these safety mechanisms of how we're going to, yeah, strategize. We don't do it consciously. It's something that our younger selves create unconsciously in order so we can interface with the world in somewhat of a manageable way. And what I, I and I for each person, those are different. Most people did not grow up with totally secure attachment styles. So there, they're somewhere on that spectrum of avoidant anxious attachment styles. And that in and of itself will, will teach you a lot about that, those strategies that you've developed. But these, these strategies are. To me, they can take a lot of time to really start to see all the ways that we're really exhausting our energy reserves, because we're keeping these ways of being in place that we told ourselves at one time or another, unconsciously or subconsciously, that these are what we needed to make it through and navigate the world. And so each person is gonna be really different with this. And what I realized for myself and my own journey is as much as I thought I was releasing and doing these releasing processes all the time. There were still these internal patterns within me that were in place and were holding on because of safety strategies. And I'll give you a very personal example, is one of the things that I learned early on was that I needed to be a people pleaser. I needed to constantly harmonize the environment around me and so much so that I never had had the ability to identify my own emotional needs. So fast forward much later in adult years, and yes, my physical needs as a child were taken care of, but emotional needs were not even. Acceptable. They weren't, there was no language for them. There was no acceptance of having emotional needs or encouragement to have them or voice them or speak them. So I did not have them, or I tucked them so far within myself that they disappeared. And so fast forward to adult life and I was still operating even in friendships with always overgiving. Overextending. And where do you think that shows up? Healers over here. Right? Those of us in the healing pr, um, the healing practices and that sort of, that space. So many of us have this, I'm gonna call it an issue, this issue where we don't know when to stop giving. We don't, it's never enough. And it becomes, and then what do we do? What we end up drawing to us people that. It's never enough for them that they're just a needy black hole of need. And then so we get to give and give so that we can feel validated, like we're a good person. And so this was one of the ways that this showed up for me, and it took a lot for me to even see that this was a problem. So going back to your original question around carrying things, I was carrying people that it, it, it, you know, we talk about like letting things go, like releasing, you know, in terms of forgiveness and letting this resentment go and letting this, uh, past experience go. For me, that's a little bit more of the easier thing. Not that it's easy, it's just easier for me to identify. I can see it. It's not a shadow, it's not a blind spot. I know where I'm still pissed off at a person from. You know, 10 years ago, it's not a, it's not a blind spot for me. I may still have to work on it, but I can see it where these patterns, they were so sneaky and so shadowed that I didn't even realize they were operating in my energy field. And so this bled into all of my work, all of my relationships, and imagine all of that that I was holding. And then I would look around and I would say. I started realizing I was at this energetic depletion level, and I was realizing that I actually had no capacity to receive. Mm-hmm. I had somehow cut off my ability to, um, receive at the emotional level, and then I was getting mad. Why is nobody giving to me? Why is nobody offering to help me? I help everybody. And so it was this, this cat and dog happening over many, many years. And yet think of like all those people, all of those things that I had taken on. It was like I had taken responsibility for my client's healing journey. I had taken responsibility for my parents' feelings. Oh, they feel bad. They, they're not happy in their life. I, and I was taking that on and so, but not realizing it. And so, and of course this was manifesting physically so. It's a, it was for me, one of the biggest journeys. It went way beyond surface level people pleasing and wanting to everybody to like me. Although that was one level, it was so much deeper than that of like a need to survive and that was, and basically overgiving of myself until there was nothing left and I'm still working on, I'm still mindful I can still start a new relationship with somebody and notice that coming up and notice how I'm taking on more than I should be in our new relationship because, oh, I want, you know, I want. To like me, and now I've taken on all this extra. And so, but the good, the exciting thing is there is hope on the journey is that now I catch it, I catch it really quickly. And so it may require me to do a phone call with someone and say, Hey, you know, that thing that I agreed to do, I'm so sorry. Can we write a new agreement? Or I take full responsibility for this. Is there a way we can reconfigure this? I said this before, I shouldn't have. And so I'm, I've been, you know, I'm doing a lot of that and that's difficult. So that's my journey of taking on things

Heather 54:18

which resonates so deeply, so deeply for me. And I can't even believe that we're already at time. I feel like it's only been 15 minutes here. That all resonated so deeply for me, is what I will start with. Before we, weave this ending and this journey listeners, Dira has had so much wisdom to share today with us, around the journey. And it's like I keep, it keeps flashing in front of me is the word patience. Which I think as humans can be difficult to be patient, with things, but especially with a spiritual journey, awakening, leaning into your gifts and, all of this, it really does take practice and patience, and so much, grace for yourself. Right, and, understanding, for yourself. So I'm just so grateful that, we've had this opportunity to hear from you and your journey and, and all the wisdom that you've shared with us. But before we leave, I would love to invite you to take a moment and to feel into your heart space and share whatever message is here. For the listeners today,

Diomira 55:41

the flower essences keep coming in. So I mentioned just a moment ago that nothing is hopeless. It's these patterns we come in with that we create for ourselves. During childhood. They all, everything has a purpose. And these patterns, when we shine light on them, meaning when they, we bring them into conscious awareness, can actually become some of our greatest strengths and can become the bridge in which we are able to walk across to lend a hand to somebody else. And one of my greatest allies now more so than ever, but throughout my work, my journey has been the flower essences. Now, for those of you who are not familiar with flower essences, I will only regale you with a, a moment of what could be a lifetime of sharing about them. But they are nature's. Medicine for the soul, their nature's medicine for the soul, and they work at an energy level. So unlike herbs where you have to have a little bit of understanding and, expertise with essences, you can play a little bit because if they're not meant for you, they will just, they will just shed in your energy system. They won't have an effect. So I wanted to bring forward a couple of these allies that you all can play with. We mentioned a couple things throughout the call, and I'm just gonna share some flower essences that can be supportive because I want you to know no matter where you are on your journey, you can be met and nature is there to meet you. Nature, the heart, the sacred heart. Living, breathing. Heart of Gaia is there to meet you. So we talked about that patience. You just mentioned that patience, and if you find yourself super irritable and impatient, maybe with that sense of urgency where you feel like time is running out or you find yourself getting irritable because you just want things to happen faster, then impatience the British, say IADs impatience is a beautiful essence, and that is a wonderful ally for that specific. Peace for trusting oneself, which is a huge part of this journey. Self-trust. I'm gonna share two. One is beautiful Bellflower. It's this beautiful bell star shaped purple flower. And this really helps you come into trusting yourself when, um, when you can get confused between, again, the, the heart and the mind. It's when there's some wobbliness, maybe a little analysis paralysis. What it does is it helps you come into the intuition that lives in your body, your body's natural wisdom. Bellflower. And then Serato is this beautiful blue flower. And it is also for trusting yourself. And this is where specifically where when you have a lot of self doubt coming up. Mm. Doubting yourself at every corner, even like you were mentioning, Heather, you know, you can have this profound experience, but then all of a sudden what happens is you, um, you, you either discount it, you know, a few days later or, or we forget about it. It was so much for the psyche that before we know it, it's like a figment of our imagination. It's like the dream. It just kind of goes away and we forget that it really happens or it doesn't have a such an important. Um, part of our, in our day to day, and that is Serato. It's gonna be a beautiful ally for that. And then earlier on we were talking about discernment. Mm-hmm. As being a really important part of the journey. And I love working with Queen ans lace for discernment. Queen ans lace is that beautiful white flower that grows on the roadsides and in abandoned fields and meadows. And it looks sort of like yaro, but it's, it's different. Of course. It has that humble shape and sometimes some of the in fluorescence is, will have that almost a ruby blood. Ruby Garden Center that's so mysterious, like it reminds me of like a heart. But it also reminds us that we just need to come like that laser point of like just come to the truth of what is. And we can remember that plant because she always has the, the hairs going up and down her stems. And the funny little thing that everybody says to remember her is the queen has hairy legs. So you'll just remember that the queen has hairy legs and Queen Ann's legs is beautiful for discernment. She helps us connect into the spiritual source of wisdom while also staying very rooted in that 'cause. She's in that A, B, a, C, A family. So staying rooted in the soil, in the ground with our two feet on the earth, which is what we talked about as being such an important part of the embodiment process. So that is what I will leave you with, is these gifts of nature, these flower essences to support everyone no matter where they are.

Heather 1:01:39

Oh my goodness. We could do a whole episode on that. So beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing. And actually it was, I'm glad you brought up the flower essences because I was on your website, I don't know, a few days ago, and I was looking through, and I see at the time of this recording anyway, that you, I think you're about to offer a flower essence class. Maybe I am. This summer,

Diomira 1:02:02

I, I decided I was going to do many virtual workshops. I just thought it was different than some of my longer, more very in depth containers that are magical, no doubt. And these are ways for people to, um, connect and have an experience, uh, without the sort of bigger commitment that is difficult for people, certainly in the summertime and sometimes for other reasons as well. Mm-hmm. So, uh, these are mini workshops and this one coming up that is actually, uh. Well, it's gonna be happening next week. So at the time of publishing, I don't know if this'll still be active and available, but who knows what might unfold then. Um, and it is igniting intuition with flower essences.

Heather 1:02:45

Beautiful. Oh, well, I I actually live pretty close to Deira, so I am really excited to, uh, join in with some of your offerings because they are so beautiful. So where can people find you? Because you work online, so you don't have to be local. Uh, we are amplifying local, healers and voices of the Blue Ridge, and most of them work online as well. So, Dira, do you wanna share? We'll have everything in the show notes, but do you wanna share the best ways to connect with you?

Diomira 1:03:16

Sure. My website is dira rose.com. That's D-I-O-M-I-R-A rose.com. And you can find all of my offerings and, and also access to my blog, which is. Now hosted on Substack. So I also have a podcast that is no longer active, but I've decided to keep all of the audios there and available for everybody to peruse and experience and enjoy and dive into, uh, everything from the fairy mysteries to the earth mysteries to flower essences. There's a lot of good stuff that's on Substack, so you can just find me. Dira rose on Substack, and that's, yeah, you, I think those are the best places to connect. I am off social media except for Substack, so I will just say that I made my mass exitus. I can't be bothered, but I do love Substack.

Heather 1:04:08

Amazing. Well, Dira, thank you so much for being with us today, for your courage, for your light, for sharing your story and your journey with us. It has truly, truly been a pleasure. Thank you so much.

Diomira 1:04:21

Thank you so much, Heather, for having me. I'm really happy we got to do this finally. Yes. So good.

Heather 1:04:27

Absolutely. And my lovely listeners, thank you so much

Speaker 2 1:04:30

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