"The Absol-ute Perfect Plan" ft. Caleb Hatfield from Rockets Markets | TRAINER'S EYE #132

Discover how Caleb Hatfield’s path as a Pokémon Trainer led him from Pokémon Blue to reigniting his love for the franchise through Pokémon GO. As co-owner of Rockets Markets, he opens up about his venture into organizing Pokémon events in the Dallas-Fort Worth area and building Rockets Relics with business partner Joey Lopez. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in Pokémon entrepreneurship, Shiny hunting, or the evolving Pokémon community. 

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Caleb Hatfield 0:00

Hey, I'm Caleb Hatfield from Rockets Markets and this is my Pokemon story.

David Hernandez 0:43

Welcome to As the Pokeball Turns, where we interview people about their experience with Pokemon. name is David Hernandez. I'm joined by Caleb Hatfield, co owner of Rocket's Markets, where they curate exceptional vendor markets, pop ups, and craft markets across a diverse range of genres. They both host TrainerCon, a dynamic Pokemon marketplace and convention where Pokemon trainers celebrate all things Pokemon.

Caleb Hatfield 1:07

Thanks, man. David, you're such a professional. This is awesome to be on this with you.

David Hernandez 1:11

It is, and it's finally nice to bring you on because we met, I think,

Caleb Hatfield 1:15

It had.

David Hernandez 1:16

was it three or four? And I was excited because I had never heard of a Pokemon trainer convention. I was like, yeah, I can get to be around other Pokemon people, just

Caleb Hatfield 1:25

Heck yeah, man. I remember meeting you. I mean, I definitely was at at TrainerCon 3. That was the first time that we were at our new space. It was a much larger space than we'd had before. But, yeah, man, it was good to meet you and glad that we fostered a friendship out of this.

David Hernandez 1:40

For sure, and it's cool to see you also come out to the community. So it's clear that you have such a passion for Pokemon.

Caleb Hatfield 1:48

Sure. So it started when, my parents graciously took me to a Toys R Us back in the day. we were walking down the aisle and I remember seeing Pokemon blue version and I just I had to have it my parents knew that I was into Pokemon and you know with a little bit of egging on they let me go home with Pokemon blue version

David Hernandez 2:09

What was it like to finally you play

Caleb Hatfield 2:13

dude absolutely after watching the anime for so long it was interesting to to finally get to play and I was so excited I remember after beating the elite four I actually leveled up my dug trio to level 100.

David Hernandez 2:26

Oh, wow. Why your favorite Pokemon? Or was it just

Caleb Hatfield 2:30

Not even close. Um, I have no idea why I dug Drio. I think I just heard that, you know, if you leveled up a Pokemon to level 100, then it like magically turned into Mew or something like that. And so, you know, it had be, it had to be, you know, those things were crazy.

David Hernandez 2:51

That's cool.

Caleb Hatfield 2:55

Oh, geez. My starter had to be, Charizard for sure. Um, What's wrong with

David Hernandez 3:02

ha ha ha ha

Caleb Hatfield 3:06

I you're right. You're right. After going back and playing as Bulbasaur and Venusaur, like, alright, there's some others that are pretty good in there.

David Hernandez 3:14

But you said you were also watching the anime beforehand,

Caleb Hatfield 3:20

I mean, back at that point in my life, I didn't even realize that shows had a story to them. It was just kind of like, you know, the show's on. So let me just watch this episode and see what this episode is about. I didn't know that there was an overarching story to anything really. I just knew that Ash was 10 always and never beat the elite four.

David Hernandez 3:42

That's true, wouldn't have gotten to the games, it sounds

Caleb Hatfield 3:45

Absolutely not. No, there would have been no way.

David Hernandez 3:48

How did you feel that now that Ash has kind of retired from the Pokemon franchise?

Caleb Hatfield 3:53

It's bittersweet, man. to be honest, I haven't really kept up with the anime in quite a while, but, you can't stay 10 forever, I guess.

David Hernandez 4:01

He

Caleb Hatfield 4:03

That's right. That's right. Oh,

David Hernandez 4:14

Charizard, Pokemon Blue I did Blastoise, And, I just love, being able to pick your own Pokemon, and just, know, develop kind of a bond, and going through all the Gym Leaders, because I always had trouble beating, because Alakazam and Kadabra were just so

Caleb Hatfield 4:28

geez. Absolutely.

David Hernandez 4:30

Mhm. What about, did you stick with and

Caleb Hatfield 4:36

Absolutely, man. I mean, well, okay. So I, played blue and I got yellow at a thrift store for like 5 bucks or something like that. I paid for it with my own allowance. It was that cheap. I actually didn't play 2nd gen for, I mean, a while. It was probably 5 years ago until I actually sat down with crystal and played it. I had blue and, and yellow and I was content with that. I, I didn't even know that there was a second generation for a while, so it went from first gen to, third gen and ho end, and then, you know, just kind of went on from there. I did play Soul Silver and Heart Gold whenever those came out, but the second gen just kind of slipped on by.

David Hernandez 5:16

That's crazy, especially considering how many people revered Gen 2 and it just slipped you You just, it just didn't care, you didn't care attached

Caleb Hatfield 5:27

Well, it wasn't that I didn't, didn't want to get into it. I just didn't know it existed. I had no idea. It wasn't until I was at somebody's house, kind of just playing around and he busted out his game boy. And I remember seeing the classic, first gen graphics on the screen, but it had so much more color. I was like, what is this? Do you have a better game boy than I do or something? And, uh, then I saw all these different Pokemon that I hadn't, uh, I hadn't seen before and it was just kind of mind blowing.

David Hernandez 6:01

I was wondering, so, you know, you kept playing after, you know, Gen 3. Do you have a particular favorite, like, generation that you grew to play or

Caleb Hatfield 6:11

I don't know, man. It's tough because like, you know, I grew up with the first gen, but. As I get older, like the, the third gen Pokemon going back to that art style and those Pokemon specifically, I just, I don't know, something just gravitates. I just gravitate towards the gen three, Pokemon and the art style. So I would have to say is definitely the best for me,

David Hernandez 6:34

What

Caleb Hatfield 6:38

Flygon, um, Salamence. I mean, even like the little guys, like the Reggie's, Latias, Latios, Jirachi, all of the, the legendaries in that are just so sleek. they just have something to them, man.

David Hernandez 6:52

I agree, cause I mean,

Caleb Hatfield 6:56

Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

David Hernandez 7:03

world building, I love the Pokemon specifically, like, there's not, I hate the most is Feebas, it pain catch. But, other than because it looks bad, it's just cause it was a pain, it was just a hard one to catch. I never, I Pokemon that I look at, I'm like, I don't really care for it. So, yeah. seemed like

Caleb Hatfield 7:23

hmm. Dude. All of it, all of it, art style, the story. I mean, you, you hit the nail on the head, all of gen three. It doesn't miss. Absolutely.

David Hernandez 7:35

of those three starters and you'll have the probably similar difficulty. I think Mudkip has the most advantage probably out of the three, but it's not by you really would have still just a solid play Trico or Torchic as well.

Caleb Hatfield 7:49

I'm right there with you, man.

David Hernandez 7:50

What's your favorite

Caleb Hatfield 7:51

Pokemon? Dudee, it's a toss up between Quilava and Absol. So Quilava, just because, you know, I grew up a little emo kid and Quilava's pretty uh, pretty alt. been a favorite of mine for a while. Absol though, it's, first off, the dark type. It's something to it. You know, it's got a lot of type advantages. but also Absol, it may not be great at special attack, but it sure does have thunder it's got fire blast. It has blizzard that it can learn. It's got all, it can cover so much ground.

David Hernandez 8:29

it in your playthroughs, I assume?

Caleb Hatfield 8:32

No. Well, it was. It was. I mean, okay, so it is my favorite Pokemon, but I've come to learn that it has some weaknesses to it, too. Used to. Used to, I would use it in, in my playthroughs, but, you know, I've grown a little bit, learned that there, there may be a few other Pokemon that can do the job a little better than Absol. Still holds a special place in my heart, though.

David Hernandez 9:06

Oh my, I mean, I can see that the emo stuck with you with as I called it when I like, it's kind of the emo Pokemon

Caleb Hatfield 9:13

That's right. Yeah, exactly. Um, As I've grown older, I've come across people in my hometown that like, will talk about Pokemon. And at the time we had no idea that either of us played Pokemon. So I think in my community, it was kind of more hush hush about like, you know, there was something, taboo about being into Pokemon.

David Hernandez 9:36

Well, it was, I remember it was, there was a certain period where it was kind of, shameful in a way to be into Pokemon because some people either thought it was too little, you're too old to be into it. And then also, you know, nerd culture wasn't really embraced at the time. This is before, you know, the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I think, I always accredit that to really why people who have kind of nerdy of, I don't want to say come out, but they can kind of be more comfortable about Having kind of those interests and it just was a different time that thankfully it's gone

Caleb Hatfield 10:07

Right. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's all that we want is for people to be who they want to be. So that's perfect. And I, you know, Pokemon kind of allows that.

David Hernandez 10:17

it does it does it does Well, as we keep going on, I know that I've met you at Pokemon Go at

Caleb Hatfield 11:09

Go, I was actually a day one Pokemon Go download. I was so excited for it. And then I got out there and started playing and I was like, Oh, this kind of sucks, but my girlfriend at the time, she's now my fiance, she told me that she played Pokemon go and I was like, really? So she kind of got me back into it. Um, this was probably two years ago that I, that I really got back into it. 2023, I think September, 2023.

David Hernandez 11:40

Now you were surprised, so was she not much

Caleb Hatfield 11:45

So, as far as I know, like she would watch the episodes every once in a while. I don't think she's ever played a Pokemon game like a core game. Um, so learning that she was into Pokemon go. Yeah, it was, it was surprising. Um, I'm really glad that she did play it because, you know, it got me into it. Now it's, it's awesome. I love the raids, the max battles that they're introducing now. And just the, the community that's around Pokemon go, it's, it's so cool to go to, the stuff that. That you hold and, you know, where you're passing out those wristbands. I mean, I've got a, a backpack full of all the, the wristbands that you, uh, that given out now. So.

David Hernandez 12:27

And if you want one of them wristbands, you can become one by Anyway, Ha ha

Caleb Hatfield 12:33

That's perfect. do

David Hernandez 12:35

ha

Caleb Hatfield 12:36

helps David out helps. Uh, so, Yeah, going to those Pokemon Go events is really cool, being able to see how much of a community there still is around Pokemon. This game that we've been playing since we were kids, it's still, it's still going strong. It's so, so cool.

David Hernandez 12:55

What would you and your girlfriend do? Would like y'all just take walks together or just would y'all's

Caleb Hatfield 13:01

So, in the beginning, we kind of just like hung out and saw what was in our area. We're both kind of from a small town area. So there really wasn't much of a Pokemon go community. Um, it was just something more to do to pass the time. But when we got to Dallas, going in like, Oh, I see a red gem near us. Let's go mess them up. Let's go take over that gym. you know, she's in the yellow one, which is instinct. Okay. And I'm in blue with his, which is mythic, So. Yeah, we would kind of have a rivalry like, uh, whenever I saw a yellow gem, uh, you know, I'd be like, Oh, I'm about to mess you and your folks up. And same with her to me. but yeah, just kind of a friendly rivalry, I guess, is what we were going for. And, that kind of evolved to, you know what, maybe let's get out there and do a route or, Oh, I see this Pokemon that we don't have. Let's go find out where that is. And that just kind of evolved into like, Oh, well, there's this Pokemon go event that's going on at Addison circle park, you know, let's, let's go see what's going on there. And then there you are. so it was just kind of a, a fun evolution of, you know, it started innocently and now it's like just a thing that we do.

David Hernandez 14:21

almost like a social outing, it

Caleb Hatfield 14:23

That's exactly right. Yeah.

David Hernandez 14:25

do you try to shiny hunt at all? Or, like, what's

Caleb Hatfield 14:30

So shiny hunting is definitely a thing, especially when there's like a community day. she and I will, uh, we'll text each other screenshots of like, Oh my God, look who I just got. Look what shiny I just got. And, you know, it's, it's really cool.

David Hernandez 14:44

Awesome. That's amazing, It's cool to see how Pokemon goes kind of not only kind of enhance your I guess

Caleb Hatfield 14:52

right. Yeah, it's kind of neat how Pokemon does that.

David Hernandez 14:56

I want to kind of dive into, you know, how we did meet, which was at the trainer and want to know, like, how did this start originally? It's like overseas it's by rocket markets, the kind of the oversight. How did y'all kind of kind

Caleb Hatfield 15:12

Yeah, so, we started with our first event was held at a little coffee shop. Okay, well, let me back up. Our first kind of foray into getting into events within the Pokemon community was with Rockets Relics. That's a, a little company that are a little business that we made, uh, where we make, Diorama cubes from, the Pokemon TCG, we would, we would never cannibalize a card to do this, but we would take the image of those cards and kind of make it into a diorama, a 3d diorama where it has some dimension. And it's more of like a, collectible, a memorabilia piece, somebody to put it on their desk or whatever or like a shelf in their room. And it kind of evolved into like, well, we have this product, we started making air fresheners to go along with that. And then it was like, okay, well, we're going to these events and they're awesome. we want to hold events ourselves. So we created trainer con and trainer con is where we had, a marketplace where artists could come and, Set up their shop and sell their products and, you know, we saw what it would do for us and we wanted to spread the love within the community and and have other people do the same thing that we were doing. So we would have artists come, people that are selling sealed products like TCG products. People that are making clothes for, like, Pokemon themed clothes, you know, all different kinds of people in the Pokemon community. We just wanted to, to spread the love, to be a part of it, you know, So over time that evolved into us holding a TCG tournament and then like a super smash bros tournament, and then most recently a cosplay contest it's amazing to see how much fun there is within the community and how strong and how tight knit of a community, the Pokemon community is, there's always a friendly face that you see at, these events, like, uh, I'm by nature, somewhat of a loner and seeing all of these wonderful people at the markets, whether it be our markets or somebody else's is just, it's so neat. So neat to share a story about, what's going on. You know, I've learned so much about these people's families. So it's really such a tight knit community. and I've typically I'm more of like the product side of things. I create, things for us to sell, and then. Joey, my business partner is more on like the socializing with people. He's much more social than I am. Um, so he's kind of the, the voice of the company. I'm kind of the hands of the company, if that makes any sense.

David Hernandez 17:47

Earlier, uh, while you were talking, you said to kind of give people the opportunity that Jaw Guys received.

Caleb Hatfield 17:52

hmm.

David Hernandez 17:53

I guess. Could you give me more insight on like, maybe you go into these events? Like before y'all started the whole rocket relics and everything, how did y'all experience going to these other events that made y'all want to start this?

Caleb Hatfield 18:04

I mean, we were, we were nobodies within the Pokemon community. we really didn't have a name at all. And, being kind of boosted up by Indigo Plateau, they showcased us for one, one event. They put us on their Instagram story. People were coming to their market like, Oh my gosh, I saw your product on Indigo Plateau's Instagram story. I have to have this. And I guess it just kind of went from there, seeing what they did for us. We kind of wanted to do that for other people.

David Hernandez 18:37

Mm hmm. And then that's what led y'all to kind of want to start the

Caleb Hatfield 18:44

Right, right. Because there's so much love to spread in the Pokemon community and, being able to spread it, it feels nice. It feels nice and it feels like we're doing, we're doing something that, you know, gives back to where we started, if that makes sense.

David Hernandez 19:02

It does. And then I loved how y'all said y'all get to kind of know these vendors, you get to not kind of know the

Caleb Hatfield 19:10

Absolutely. Yeah, we, we talk throughout the day. We always like to check in with our vendors and make sure that, you know, do you need anything? what can we do to help you? Do you want us to stand in your booth while you run to the restroom? Or, you know, just a number of things. What can we do to make this better for you? You know? Just kind of along those lines, we'll, we'll do whatever we can for our vendors because we ourselves are vendors.

David Hernandez 19:37

So y'all get to kind of experience, I guess, the struggles that they're kind of going through, or

Caleb Hatfield 19:44

Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, we know exactly what goes through people's heads. So, you know, we try to be one step ahead.

David Hernandez 19:50

What kind of things? Could you give me some insight? Just, like, what are

Caleb Hatfield 19:56

So I think the biggest thing is where's the restroom? Where's the restroom? Where's the food? So tried to accommodate in those ways. And, we always try to point people in the right direction of either 1 of those.

David Hernandez 20:13

They're kind of

Caleb Hatfield 20:17

There have been events where we're just like, Oh my God, I've got to go real bad. Where do I, where's the nearest bush? Because I have no idea where the restroom is.

David Hernandez 20:29

I was wondering, so, you know, you hosted the first Trainer Con, you know, before, you know, you finally decided to host it for Pokemon people. what went through your mind when you started hosting your own event for vendors? Were you Were you kind of freaking out at that point? Especially because you, you're more on the, you know, uh, not loner, but

Caleb Hatfield 20:49

Absolutely, absolutely. Reserved is going to be the better way to put it. So, yeah, I mean, I'm also more of a go by logic sort of thing. I mean, Joey is too, but, it was so I'm more of a planner and I have to see the data to justify what we're doing. Right. So. Knowing zero data about like, oh, is this going to turn out? Okay. Are there are people even going to show up? Like, it was so nerve wracking that 1st trainer con that we that we had, we just had no, or I had no idea if it was going to work or not. Joey was just like, yeah, no, it'll work out. It'll be fine. And it did. It did. I actually, he inspires me all the time to, To kind of just lean back and trust the process, because that's what he does. He, he knows exactly how to do things, how to make things happen. And, I've seen it firsthand. So knowing zero data about the, the event, how it was going to go, and then seeing how it went, like, it was an amazing process. It was an amazing transformation from being nervous as hell to, Oh, my God. This is actually working.

David Hernandez 22:05

I mean, it's very scary because that's a real possibility that nobody shows up because you're wondering, did I market this event enough? Do about it? Would people even care to come out? And the fact that I think, you know, y'all have to put all this investment, you're hoping things work out. You're promising vendors that people are going to come. Like, how embarrassing would it be? You host this event and nobody shows You know, it's just, it not only makes us bad on you, but it looks, it hurts the vendors that you deeply, of

Caleb Hatfield 22:36

Exactly. Exactly. And I've kind of relaxed about that in the more recent ones have when we've seen the progression of having, we started with 10 vendors, I think 11 vendors and the, our more recent ones are our next one. We're going to have over a hundred. So I've, I've learned to trust the process now.

David Hernandez 22:57

My last question, just in regards to what y'all have been I wanted to kind of get an insight on how you and Joey met. Like, when did y'all first kind

Caleb Hatfield 23:07

Yeah, so before we started working together on Pokemon stuff, we actually started working together in a job. that's how I met Joey. He was a graphic designer for a, for a company. And I came in as a production manager for this company. And, we started just kind of chatting back and forth and I think it was like the second or third day. I noticed that he had a cup that had Pokemon cards all the way around it. And I was like, Hey, uh, what's going on with that cup there? I like it, but what's going on? And he was like, Oh dude, you like it? I got it from a Pokemon market. I was like, I didn't know there was such a thing. So from there, you know, it just kind of took off. It was like, Oh, well, who's your favorite Pokemon? What games have you played? Do you know how to play the TCG? And I had no idea how to play the TCG. So he got me into that too. I mean, as just threw down cards and we're just like, here, I'm going to hit you with the head, but, and it your grout on. you know, he's actually taught me a lot about, about like the TCG Brought me into the community as a, as a whole. so anyway, after we started talking about Pokemon and like where we came from, where we wanted to go, it was a no brainer. We were business partners. It was just meant to be, Who's

David Hernandez 24:35

idea was it to start the do these

Caleb Hatfield 24:38

well, it wasn't mine.

David Hernandez 24:43

okay, on a limb. It's probably Joey's,

Caleb Hatfield 24:47

might be right.

David Hernandez 24:49

I might be right. Who is there? A third person? We don't know about but you, I buried in the basement.

Caleb Hatfield 24:56

Oh, geez. Okay, well, you know, it's Wally. He was always just a little, little sorry little guy in Gen

David Hernandez 25:02

Oh, poor Wally. Oh, had a health condition. Come

Caleb Hatfield 25:07

Did he really? Oh, no.

David Hernandez 25:09

had

Caleb Hatfield 25:10

Oh, well, so do I. He has no excuses.

David Hernandez 25:14

Oh damn. But I did kind of wonder, said you're more reserved, you know, you gotta see the data. And then for Joey to pitch idea is like, Hey, let's do, let's start a business together and let's a host where we bring vendors in, some

Caleb Hatfield 25:35

Absolutely. I was like, yeah, um, let's do it. But. I need to know how this is going to happen. We need to plan this thing out. And, uh, you know, he kind of gave me a rough outline, but in my mind, it wasn't enough data. I needed to know the whole thing. Like, how many people are going to be there? And you never know. That's not, that's, that's something that you, you can't plan for. and I think it was just all the unknowns that I wasn't prepared for, but, he was just kind of like, trust the process.

David Hernandez 26:03

I mean, how do y'all kind of find a balance? Because, you know, you got your planner, he's by the seats of his pants. Sounds like, how do y'all kind of find that balance to kind of work together and make polar

Caleb Hatfield 26:15

We very much are, but being polar opposites covers all of the bases. So, absolutely. He's the social guy. I'm the behind the scenes guy. at least that's the way I like it.

David Hernandez 26:29

Hey,

Caleb Hatfield 26:30

That's exactly right. So, know, we're going to, these venues beforehand and kind of checking them out, making sure that it will work for our needs, measuring out the spaces. and yeah, we are polar opposites, but we're a lot alike in the same vein. We have a common goal, I guess.

David Hernandez 26:49

What's something that maybe has Do you have any funny stories on that?

Caleb Hatfield 26:54

Hmm, you know, thankfully I can say that we haven't really had anything go, go wrong. I think that might be, it is right. But you know what that's from? It's from

David Hernandez 27:07

What?

Caleb Hatfield 27:08

planning.

David Hernandez 27:12

you have done your thorough homework, and whatever you and Joey got going on, clearly it works. I'm

Caleb Hatfield 27:21

Yeah, absolutely. Well, okay. Okay. I will say this. There has been one thing that went wrong. It was our first TCG tournament. We had, One person sign up the night before, the TCG tournament was supposed to go on. And so we were like, okay, we, we got to make a decision. We can't go on with the TCG tournament with one person. I mean, there was, I think it was 150 prize. We can't just walk up and hand this person 150 bucks. So we. Made the tough decision to cancel that first TCG tournament and, uh, you know, we, we put out a blast on social media saying that, you know, we're sorry, but can't make it happen. And then we get to the event. We're setting up and. People are coming up to us like, Hey, where do I sign up for the TCG tournament? And we probably had a dozen people that day, like, dude, we've had the ad up for so long. I wish you would have told us, but it's not their fault of course, but you know, it's one of those things that it was a tough decision to make, but we felt like it was the right one at the time. And turned out it may not have been. Yeah.

David Hernandez 28:35

but had to say, nah, he can't just do it by himself.

Caleb Hatfield 28:39

Right?

David Hernandez 28:41

But I mean, that's a tough decision though, because on one hand you want to him at least earn it. But on the other, you kind of want to, it'd be kind of he's the only one who signed up. So he wins

Caleb Hatfield 28:53

Exactly. That's exactly right. if he would have had one opponent, it'd have been fine. We would have had to honor the deal. And we would have gladly, but yeah, exactly. But we didn't have that. So had to make a decision. And this thing is just growing. It's growing. It's amazing to see how much it is growing. This will be our first time in this new market hall and next event. We'll probably even have to upgrade to a bigger space because of it. Yeah.

David Hernandez 29:27

Oh, Caleb, thank you for coming on the show. Before you go, if people do to check out Jaws Merchandise, if they want to go to this

Caleb Hatfield 29:34

Yeah.

David Hernandez 29:36

please

Caleb Hatfield 29:37

So, first off, I want to, to kind of plug a few of our vendors, a few of a few people that mean a lot to me and to us. first off, I want to plug our, our artists that we have. Her name is Liz Anna May on Instagram, Liz Hendrickson. She does amazing art. She's done all of our arts for all of our events, except for the first one. That one was just kind of thrown together, but she's done all of the art. an amazing artist. Uh, she just got, I think an award recently. So Liz anime, uh, professor Caton. An amazing artist, uh, within the community. She does play mats, mouse pads. Um, my mouse is on a mouse pad right now from her, button up shirts, all kinds of cool stuff. Blank canvas. She does heat press, hoodies, sweatshirts, tote bags, all kinds of cool stuff. Joro Gumo does. Rugs, she makes rugs and bunch of different cool little art pieces. Meiji market helps a lot with the TCG tournaments also does her own art, uh, within the community. She's amazing. Ghostly waters is a guy that we, we met recently, but he's becoming a fast friend and. Really big part of, what makes trainer con trainer con. and the list goes on, man, I can go on forever, but if you want to look at our stuff, rockets, relics trainer con on Instagram, rockets markets. com to find our events.