S02 E05 Forged in the Fire

The Radical Intimacy Podcast

The Radical Intimacy Podcast
S02 E05 Forged in the Fire
Jul 14, 2025
Zoë Kors - Author, Sex and Intimacy Coach

Today’s Radical Intimacy episode is all about forging through the fire of pain and suffering to emerge stronger than steel and with enhanced emotional intelligence. To lay the foundation of our discussion, Zoë opens up about her recent oral surgery and how that experience forced her to remember even darker days as a student with lymphoma. She begins by describing her recent health challenges and how her bout with cancer when she was in university still affects her today, before explaining her protocol for processing heavy emotions. She unpacks meditation, the mind-body connection, how to overcome trauma cycles, and how physical healing correlates to its emotional counterpart. Then, it’s Andrew’s turn as he details his Stoicism and Zen-informed emotional healing process. We also examine the dangers of resisting pain, the joys of embracing it, and why pain is ultimately the best teacher. To end, we learn why samurai sword-making is akin to emotional healing, and Zoë and Andrew share advice for how to navigate trauma as a couple.            


Key Points From This Episode:

•    Zoë opens up about her recent health challenges. 

•    The ins and outs of her oral surgery and the healing complications thereafter. 

•    How the treatment of her lymphoma when she was 20 influences how she heals today. 

•    The way Zoë processes overwhelming emotions, especially during her journey with cancer. 

•    Meditation, the mind-body connection, and overcoming cycles of pain. 

•    Comparing how her gums healed post-surgery to how we emotionally recover from trauma.   

•    Stoicism and Zen: Unpacking Andrew’s emotional healing process. 

•    The dangers of being in denial and resisting versus the joys of embracing your pain. 

•    What we can learn from Richard Schwartz’s book, No Bad Parts.

•    Why healing hurts and why pain is the best teacher. 

•    What the process of making a samurai sword teaches us about forging through pain.  

•    How to process emotions as a couple. 

 

Quotes: 

“When it comes to emotional processing, I find that I’ve had to really train you, [Andrew], and teach you, and tell you instant by instant what I need.” — Zoë Kors [0:10:48]

“I think that I’ve battled my entire adult life. From the time of 20 years old, it’s just [been] powering through.” — Zoë Kors [0:11:39] 

“I have felt for a while now, maybe five or six or seven years, that I have some unfinished emotional work or trauma work around having had cancer and gone through that treatment and that experience.” — Zoë Kors [0:11:54]

“Stoicism, especially with the ancient philosophers, it was about not being controlled by your emotions. Not resisting them, but observing them [and] feeling them, [and knowing] my emotions don’t run my life. I run my life” — Andrew Rothmund [0:18:28]

“There’ve been a few times where if my emotions had hair, they would have been on fire. My emotions would’ve been through the streets screaming and wailing until I got a handle on [them].” — Andrew Rothmund [0:19:07]

“My thoughts don’t identify me. My feelings don’t identify me. I am the observer of both.” — Andrew Rothmund [0:19:46]

“To end suffering, you have to acknowledge it exists and you have to accept it.” — Andrew Rothmund [0:29:43]

“Pain is the best teacher. I mean, the most effective teacher – a lot of growth comes from pain.” — Zoë Kors [0:32:46]

 

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