#107 Dr. David Ness - Certified Sports Chiropractor New Paltz, New York

Dr. David Ness is a certified sports chiropractor based in New Paltz, New York, helping athletes and active individuals recover, move better, and perform at their best. Dr. Ness is also Certified Master Active Release Techniques® Provider, Certified Kennedy Spinal Decompression Specialist, and a Certified Titleist Golf Fitness Instructor®. Since 2015, he has served as the official chiropractor and ART® provider for the Army West Point football team. Outside the office, Dr. Ness is a husband and father of two, who enjoys yoga, golf, mountain biking, snowboarding, and spending time outdoors with his family—bringing a well‑rounded, real‑world perspective to health, movement, and recovery.

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Jeff 0:00

Radio anymore. I can't stand it. Yeah. Be like the third caller.

Speaker 4 0:03

I'm like I I just don't do it. I won a Stevie Ray Von album from WPDH once. Stevie Ray Von. I love it. Yeah. I think I was like twelve. I used to listen to radio all the time. Yeah. You had to record ready, you know, you're gonna copyright. Yep.

Speaker 2 0:18

I was a guest DJ on uh DST last year.

Speaker 3 0:21

Really?

Speaker 2 0:21

Oh, that's fun.

Speaker 0:22

It was fun.

Speaker 2 0:23

Yeah.

Speaker 3 0:23

Yeah.

Speaker 2 0:23

It's like an hour of uh picking your own songs. I heard them the playlist.

Speaker 0:27

I did listen that's the last couple months, and I I heard my wife does listen to the radio, so we were in the car and someone was announcing, and they were it was like a Sunday morning or something, and they were the guest DJ. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 0:38

It's awesome. At some point, I think every dude wanted to be a jockey, right? No doubt. Right? Since WKRP Cincinnati. Like it just was great. It was never Turkeys Can't Fly.

Speaker 3 0:50

Remember that?

Speaker 1 0:51

Last Nashman, right? Oh, the humanity. Oh, that was. One of my favorite shows of all time. Great show. WKRP in Cincinnati. Jeff, I know you saw it. You ever watch it? I watched it. What a great show. I wasn't that into it. Great opening song.

Speaker 1:05

Yeah. It's a great opening song. Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:08

Right? Yeah, it was it was good. Dude, it was great. Anyway. Well, here we are, Tom.

Speaker 1:16

I'm doing well.

Speaker 1 1:16

Jeff?

Speaker 1:17

I'm great.

Speaker 1 1:18

Happy Sunday. Good morning.

Speaker 4 1:24

You're a little early, but yeah.

Speaker 1 1:28

Jeff, we're heading over to one. I'm sorry, I'm not doing that. Good God. Don't damn it. We got a great guest in the house. Long overdue. Mostly on our scheduling part and his busy schedule. But this is an amazing guest. We got chiropractor, sports medicine, active release, uh, former army trainer. We got Dr. David Ness in the house. Welcome. Dr. Ness. How are you?

Speaker 2 1:55

Thank you. It's my pleasure.

unknown 1:56

Yes.

Speaker 1 1:57

So thanks for coming in. Tell us how you got started, a little bit about yourself, and you know, we'll go down a few rabbit holes.

Speaker 2 2:04

All right.

Speaker 2:06

Wow. How did I get started? Um well. First, let's just for everyone who probably already knows.

Speaker 1 2:13

I just jump right in.

Speaker 2:14

So people who already, there's a lot of people who listen who already know. But give us just give a quick intro of like what it is you do before we start about how you got started doing it.

Speaker 2 2:24

Okay. Wow. I've uh I've been a chiropractor since 1988. Ho, hey now. Really old now, 62. Uh started out my practice in Queens, New York, and then um I've been coming up to the Hudson Valley since I'm a kid. I had uh relatives in uh Newburgh, two sets of cousins, and my grandparents had a business there, and um, so very familiar with Hudson Valley. And uh in the 90s I started skydiving.

Speaker 1 2:55

At the ranch over Gardner at the ranch.

Speaker 2 2:58

Love it. Skydive the ranch. Yep. Then later we started rock climbing. My wife and I uh got married, and uh I was tired. Headed north. Headed north, yeah. We decided to buy a place uh in Newport so we could be closer to skydiving and climbing and start a family. And uh yeah, I started my practice, I think, you know, right across from uh Tuscani's Delhi.

Speaker 1 3:24

Yep.

Speaker 2 3:25

Back in the day in the old Carols building.

Speaker 1 3:28

Wow, so you've been here a long time because I talk about Carols all the time, and people are like very few people remember Carols.

Speaker 2 3:37

Right. I mean, it wasn't around, I mean the building was not around when I was there because it was a doctor's office. But um, so we started, I guess, in 2002, 2003, and transitioned up here full time. I was going back and forth to Queens uh on a weekly basis, and that sucked the life out of me. So uh we were very happy to get up here. And um, you know, in the beginning it was tough because I was just a regular chiropractor, you know, the typical, you know, chiropractic adjustment, that's really all I did. And um, like in 2001 or 2002, I did a year-long sports med uh certificate program. So it was like learn all about sports injuries, how to take care of them. And it was during the end of that training that I became introduced to active release techniques, which is our treatment of choice for soft tissue injuries. Uh, as soon as I took my first seminar, even before I took the seminar, they gave me, you know, a video of how to do the different maneuvers so you could become familiar. Uh, and I was started using them on my patients, and I was the results were so amazing. We just uh it became all I did. I tried to get as much certifications as I could in a short period of time. And uh after my first seminar, I went up to the Iron Man and uh became part of the uh ART treatment team at uh Iron Man Lake Placid. Yeah, that's cool. And in my first, you know, working there for like three days before the race, I met ten different triathletes from from the New Polts area.

Speaker 1 5:14

I mean, so really that that's amazing. So it was a perfect storm. Like you did the sports medicine right when the first round of New Polts growing.

Speaker 2 5:22

Yep.

Speaker 1 5:22

Late 90s, early 2000s. So it was a good fit.

Speaker 2 5:25

Yeah. Uh I met so many triathletes and uh I started working um for the um Hudson Valley Tri-Club when they were still at Williams Lake. Wow. And I would go down there and uh Mark Wilson uh had me and uh met Don Davis and started treating people after every uh summer series race. Wow, that's cool. She kept m introducing me to more and more tri athletes. Yeah, man.

Speaker 5:53

Uh and back around that time, like 2000, was it like 2009, eight? It was before that.

Speaker 2 6:01

It was before that? Yeah, so I became certified in my first ART course was like 2004. Yeah. Okay. And I finished my cert by the end of 2005.

Speaker 6:12

And then um like when you were at the summer series and meeting all that. That was right right after that.

Speaker 2 6:17

Yeah, it was right after that. And then right after that, they moved up to um to Kenneth Wilson State Park up in uh when did you move into your new office?

Speaker 1 6:25

What year was that?

Speaker 2 6:27

2010. So it's been a while now. 16 years. Okay. Yep.

Speaker 1 6:31

And uh so you were in the the building right in the Carroll's park a lot, Toscanis is still open.

Speaker 2 6:38

Was at the time, yeah. Used to eat there every day.

Speaker 1 6:41

Yeah, what a what a deli.

Speaker 2 6:42

What a great deli. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 6:43

No, we have we've not really regained that since they closed.

Speaker 2 6:46

No. I mean, Russo's was close for a while. They were they did a good job. Russo's was good. I like them. Yep.

Speaker 1 6:51

Yeah. So that's cool. So you're you're at the tri-club, you're starting this new training. Yep. Tons of new pulse is growing. That's the first round of growth in New Paul's. Literally, like the late 90s, early 2000s, after 9-11 when New Paul's exploded. Yep. Now we're like in our second, third. Yeah. We're like the we're into the new, new pulse. Whoa. It was like the new pauls, then the new new pulse. That's meta. Now it's new, new, new pauls. That's heavy, man. Yeah. And I love the divisions because I know these people. So I have friends that have been here like 15 years, harassing the shit out of friends I have for like two years that have been here. Like, you haven't been here. You're not a local.

Speaker 2 7:32

You're still not a local.

Speaker 1 7:33

They're harassing me.

Speaker 2 7:34

It doesn't matter how long you've been here. You're still not a local.

Speaker 1 7:36

I always tell them, I'm like, I love the fact that some guy from 2003 is harassing the shit out of some guy from like 2019. Nice, cool. So you're now set up in your spot. Yep. And then um still work.

Speaker 7:49

Let me dial back real quick. You used to come up to the SOS at the end of the SOS and do some ART work. Yep. Do you uh you haven't done that in a little while?

Speaker 2 8:00

So But I remember you doing that. I did. I did that for ten years. I think that's I remember you being there. I was there that's how I met you from like 2006 to probably 2016. Uh and when I got the the gig as the chiropractor for the Army football team. It sucked up all your well, it you know, you're working like a couple of Saturdays a month, and the SOS is on Sunday. Yeah, it's a long time. So I remember that. That was also on a Sunday, and so it was I I literally for three weeks straight worked every day. Yeah, I got it. I know I identified after that. I told I told um whatchamacallit. Evan. No, I told uh John. I told John I just can't do it anymore. Yeah. It's all right. He understood. Yeah, he totally understood. Yeah. Uh but it was, you know, I met Sue. It was a great time up there when you're listening. That's how I met you.

Speaker 1 9:05

Now I knew you were sports doctor in town. Yep. And I was all banged up after the race, I don't know, maybe 2012 or whatever, and you're like, hey, and you were like it was towards the end, I was hanging out. Yeah.

Speaker 9:17

Bodies laying everywhere. Yeah, we so we used to bring a I used to bring a team.

Speaker 2 9:21

Civil War battle zone. I used to bring a team of chiropractors up there who all did active release. So we had sometimes four or five docs out there, and we would see a lot of people after the race. Uh and it was it was a it was a lot of fun. Uh I got in it.

Speaker 9:36

I got in it one year, and I I never I hadn't done it, and I'd done the SOS a bunch of times, and it was probably one of your last years up there, and I was like, okay, you know, it was hurting a little bit, and I got on the table, and it might have been you, I don't remember who it was, but um man, I was like, that was it hurt so much because I was also hurting actively, and then doing the ART stuff. I was like wincing in pain, squeezing the side of the table, but then afterwards, like I just walked out and I was like, Oh, I feel pretty good. You're like ready to walk down the hill. I was, yeah. I had never walked down the hill. Painless.

Speaker 2 10:18

That's a tough, that's a tough walk.

Speaker 10:19

Tough walk. That's a very tough walk. So, anyway, it was it was nice to have that. And I was like, Oh, I'm gonna do this every year. And that was probably the last year you were there. Yep.

Speaker 1 10:28

Yeah, cool. And then let's hit on uh army. Sure. Because listen, I've I didn't know you did this until and I go to army games every year. But it has to, it was probably well over 10 years ago. I saw you on the sidelines. I was like, Dr. Nas. And like then I was in there getting treated, or someone in my family was a couple weeks later, and you're like, Yeah, I've been doing that for years.

Speaker 2 10:50

Yeah, cool.

Speaker 1 10:51

So what a what a great sporting event.

Speaker 2 10:54

Yeah, oh my god, being there.

Speaker 1 10:56

Pro listen, as a guy that loves live sports, I love live sports, I can watch live sports. It's a top, literally, I'll say probably one of the top ten live sports experiences in the country.

Speaker 2 11:04

It's amazing. I mean, you know, it's not every football game that you get, you know, flybys with with you know, Hueys and Jets jumping out of the jump every day. There's there's guys jumping out as long as it's not too windy or cloudy, cloud cover. Yeah. Yeah. One day I got a call in my office. It was like 2014. My secretary took the call, and uh this guy called from Georgia who had ties to the team and the coach who had come up from uh Georgia Southern, and they asked if I would be interested in applying for that job. And you know, I called the guy right back as soon as my secretary told them. And I met I'm I spoke to a chiropractor who actually is a part owner in the Thayer Hotel. Wow, that's a nice thing. I've been charged with finding a chiropractor for the team. I'm like, well, tell me what I need to do. He's like, well, send a resume here, and you know, you you'll get a call when they start interviewing, which ended up being probably four months later, and uh went down for an interview down uh in the fall of 2014, met the head athletic trainer, the head football trainer, head football trainer was the guy who uh worked at the Jets.

Speaker 1 12:18

Yeah, he was a Jets guy.

Speaker 2 12:19

He also did ART. He knew a lot of the people that I knew, and uh we hit hit it off really well. And uh I think they only interviewed me and uh one other person who was uh actually a West Point grad. Okay. He was a chiropractor in Poughkeepsie, and I ended up getting the job. And then it took another six months before anything even happened. There were some changes at the hospital, they had to onboard me through the hospital, and that finally happened, and we uh had to go through all sorts of fun training because I was onboarded through the hospital, so like anti-terrorism, uh all sorts of you know, safeguards to make sure you know you don't disclose pertinent information. And uh and then finally we started in two in 2015.

Speaker 1 13:03

So what did that entail, that job? Like, was it I mean, I know you were at every home game.

Speaker 2 13:08

Yes, so do you travel with the team? Didn't travel just home games, home games and the RV and the Army Navy game.

Speaker 1 13:14

That's great.

Speaker 2 13:15

And then um, so I would go down there with a ticket.

Speaker 1 13:17

So you were at every Army Navy game.

Speaker 2 13:19

Yeah. For I I missed two in my time. Uh well, I missed one. My daughter graduated college, so I had so I had I got a pass for that one.

Speaker 5 13:28

Yeah.

Speaker 2 13:29

Um, you know, so during the during the football season, and um so football season starts in August when they have their their training camp. I would go down there t twice a week for two hours on Tuesday and Thursdays. Uh so I'd go work in my office in the morning and then go there for two hours uh twice a week and then season starts and then still twice a week. So you're there a lot. I'm there, yeah, twice a week, and then game day, you know, game day, the team gets there around 10 a.m. Uh I would get to the gate around 9 a.m. so I can get through and you're leaving New Pulse at eight o'clock. Eight o'clock. Start working on the team at 10 a.m. when they get there. Uh we work for about an hour uh on the players as they get warmed up to go out to do their warm-ups. Uh and then once they go out for the warmups, we would go out on the field and hang out with um and hang out with part of the medical with the medical team. So we've got two orthopedic surgeons, two uh orthopedic fellows, um, we have a GP sports medicine doc and the whole athletic training staff, which is amazing. So we'd hang out on the sidelines, watch them warm up, go meet the opposing teams, medical staff, and trainers, and uh that's cool. Then we go back in the locker room before the game starts, work on anyone we had to do, and then uh come out for the game, and then hang out. And if something happens, we had a treatment tent on the sidelines, uh anything that needed more intimate work, we'd go back into the training room, take care of people.

Speaker 15:03

Yeah, so I was gonna ask, well, what's the what's the um sort of the hierarchy, if you will? Uh injury on the field, athletic trainer goes out typically, right? They assess, correct. Either bring them back, tape them up, or they say you're good, the guy gets up, keeps going.

Speaker 2 15:19

Depends on what the injury is, right? So like athletic trainer.

Speaker 15:23

Like, take me through it. Well, when do they end up with you, the chiropractor, as opposed to the team doctor or something?

Speaker 2 15:28

You know, I get I got the soft tissue stuff. So if they if they pulled a hammy or they've got back pain or neck pain or anything like that, they would give that to me. Um if it was a joint issue or anything that was more than soft tissue, the orthos would evaluate them in the tent and determine whether or not they could go back into the game or not. Nice. Uh sometimes we would we have x-ray on site, so we would uh good in the training room, we have an x-ray machine, so we take them back, yeah, uh make sure everything's cool. Uh you know, sometimes players get back in the game, sometimes they don't. Yeah. Uh but that's how that that's how it goes. Okay. But the trainers get them first, and the orthos will walk out and take a look at them depending upon how severe it is. Right. There's usually more than one that rocks out there, right?

Speaker 16:15

When someone's down now.

Speaker 2 16:17

Um you know, we have so many trainers. You have the head football trainer will go out first, but then the head athletic trainer is also going to be there. Uh and then usually one or more of the orthopedics will walk out with them, depending if it if it's something that they really need to look at. Because sometimes you need to transport them off the field. Right. We've had uh, you know, in my tenure, I've seen a couple of people that we've had to ambulance off. One that was just the most horrific thing that I've ever seen, absolutely a cornerback and a wide receiver collide head on full speed right about uh on the sideline by 10 10 yards from where I was, they both got knocked out. Wow, they both broke their necks. Yeah, they both were ambulanced off the field. The ambulance like comes on the field and takes them off and that's crazy.

Speaker 17:12

That's scary.

Speaker 2 17:14

That was the scariest thing I've ever seen. Do you know the end result? Well, so though our our guy I see in the training room, um, he his injury, the the fracture of the neck was really not life-threatening. Okay. But because his head was stretched so far, he had um the nerves from his brachial plexus were stretched so far that they were injured that he um he couldn't really couldn't use his arm. And it took us um like six months to rehab him back to where he got full arm strength, but he never played football again. Yeah.

Speaker 17:47

Wow.

Speaker 2 17:48

So but he was able to get those services because of being on the team and injured there.

Speaker 17:52

And that's pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 17:53

And they and they do their rehab every day. So these guys get it's not like when you or I get injured and we go to PT for twice a week for you know four or six weeks. These guys are in there two, three times a day. Yeah, right. Every day to doing their rehab.

unknown 18:09

Nice.

Speaker 1 18:09

Steph, have you been to an army football game?

Speaker 18:11

No, I never have. I'd love to go.

Speaker 1 18:13

You should take Tylene and Hazel. You would so we'll go with you if you want. Tell me when you're going. Thoroughly enjoy it. The tailgate, the guy, the student bands walking in the parking lot playing music for you.

Speaker 18:24

Yep. We're gonna go see some lacrosse there when that season starts. That's cool. See the games.

Speaker 1 18:30

It's all amazing, but the football's a special experience. Yeah, it's amazing. And uh it's we would go every year. I remember. So Josie, she was so enamored by the helicopter. Oh, I remember this story. She's like, Dad. She's like, I think, do you think I have a chance to get into West Point? I'm like, you have a great chance. You're a top student. I'm like, you're female, you're a great swimmer. I'm like, you have a shot. So she's like, I think I want to go here. Now I'm like, chaching, no tuition, going to army games. Then finally she comes home. She was all excited. She's like, I'm out. I'm like, why? She's like, Did you know if I got a West Point? I'm in the Army. Yeah. I'm like, yes. She's like, I'm out. I'm not doing that. I was like, pretty funny. But it was it's such a great game. Yeah, such a good experience.

Speaker 19:15

One thing I would say, in in uh, you know, it was kind of a sobering thing, probably for the people graduating at that moment, but um when uh George W. Bush gave the commencement address there just after 9-11, um, and or it was either just after or the next year, but basically he's up there and his speech is basically saying, you know, you're the best of the best. Yeah, you know, you're graduating, you are going to war. Like you're graduating and get ready because we're sending you. And that, you know, watching that speech to a bunch of kids, that's what they went to West Point for, many of them. They know. So it's not like they're like, What? What?

Speaker 1 19:55

But at the same time, put in their pajama pants, who's the dispensary?

Speaker 20:01

Yeah, the opposite of that. But you know what I mean? Like, it's still pretty sobering to sit there and have the you've not only the president of the United States giving your giving your commencement address, but then hearing that directly from the commander-in-chief, it's probably a pretty sobering moment.

Speaker 1 20:14

We were we were at a game once, and I a former Walk-o kid was there, and I knew he was like a top cadet. He was a senior, he was in charge of the cadets, he was the cadet top cadet. Right. So I'm like, hey, you know cadet cadet. Yeah, he was like, whatever the title was. Okay. So I see two kids, two guys. I'm like, hey, you guys know so-and-so? And uh they're like, Oh, of course we do. I'm like, go get him. Tell him I'm his old Mr. LaPulse here. So he comes down like five minutes, he's like, Mr. LaPole, he's like, This is amazing. He was, I was his world history teacher. So we're hooting and hollering. I'm like, yo, can you make these kids do anything? And he looks at me, he's like, How many push-ups do you want? I'm like, 50. He's like, 50! They're like that, like a hammer push off. My kids are like that. You're an idiot. Anyway, so now you got this thriving practice, you're completely ingrained in the community, which is a great thing for the us, the community, and yourself and your family. Uh you're living the dream here, man. Yeah.

Speaker 2 21:13

So you know, it it it took a it took a long time to get where we are, but uh, you know, it was it was great, you know, just the the adventure of it all.

Speaker 3 21:24

Yeah. So how how big is your practice?

Speaker 2 21:28

I mean, I'm I'm full-time by myself. Uh we work four or five.

Speaker 1 21:32

But you could easily have people working for if you wanted. I thought you had like one or two people. You've had over the years.

Speaker 2 21:37

Well, I've had I've had associates work for me over the years. Most of them don't last more than a year, and then they end up and they end up opening up somewhere in the area. Okay. Um, we do have uh a great massage therapist uh on staff who uh has been working for us for about six years. Okay. Uh during the uh during tennis, the U.S. Open. She goes down there, works. On the uh US Open. Oh, cool. That's a lot of fun. Uh you you we have Bill Weinstein, who you did on the Gunkest. I heard of him.

Speaker 1 22:08

Listen, your office, I get everybody in my family, all three of my daughters, myself and my wife, you've treated all of us. And fairly extensively over the years. And now I've been seeing Bill from Wood Stop Shopping. Guy's amazing. And then my wife goes to Bill. So that's great.

Speaker 2 22:25

I just went to Bill the other day. Really? That's amazing.

Speaker 1 22:28

Yeah.

Speaker 2 22:28

Sometimes, you know, gotta get to get some acupuncture. And the electro acupuncture.

Speaker 1 22:34

I love that stuff. Yeah. That's the good shit. So it works out.

Speaker 22:37

Office, comfortable, you roll in. So you you are you no longer? It sounds like we were talking about Army as past tense.

Speaker 2 22:45

Are you still doing that? No, I retired at the end of uh last semester. So it's been it's been a year that I've been done from that. Okay. Did you help find your replacement? I did. Nice. You feel good about that?

Speaker 1 22:55

That's gotta take a lot out.

Speaker 2 22:57

It worked, uh it worked out well. You know, there's problem is, you know, West Point's not New York City. It's it's a little bit of a hike. So I found four chiropractors who did active release techniques who were in the area. Two were in Westchester, one was in New Jersey, and one was in Connecticut. Um they all got interviewed and um they were all qualified to do the job. And uh they took the guy who was actually closest. Uh the new the New Jersey guy is really only 30 30 minutes away. Uh and he had also had uh one of his patients was one of the captains for the team.

Speaker 1 23:34

So yeah, you know, that he's in. What uh so and I'm I mean, say I had to let it go, but probably took a ton of time for you. It did.

Speaker 2 23:42

I mean, so you know, my practice w was busy over the past ten years. Very you're busy now. Yeah, and we um so I would work in the beginning, I was only working a half a day uh during the week, like on Tuesday. And I so on Tuesday I would go there, I'd go to Army first and then go to my office afterwards for from like four to seven. Yeah, and I had Thursdays, I had Thursdays off, except for going to Army. Um, but over the past four or five years, I had to expand my hours because we're so busy. Yeah. And instead of having people wait two weeks to see me, we added an extra four hours, um which which definitely helped. But so when that all ended last year, I had basically two half days that I was free.

Speaker 1 24:34

Yeah.

Speaker 2 24:34

And so uh it took a little bit, but we were able to combine instead of me working two half days on Tuesday and Thursday, we combined it to a full day. So I actually got a full day off again.

Speaker 1 24:46

Which is nice because now you're at the point in your life where you're like, hey, I want to enjoy some time. So you do some climbing still, right? I just started climbing.

Speaker 2 24:55

Just started climbing, actually bouldering uh with my son at BC's in Newports. Yep. Uh great place. I was I was very scared to get back on climbing, just bouldering, especially because you know, there's no ropes. So if you fall off the boulder or if you're gonna go to the ball, yeah, it's crazy. You're gonna hit the mat. You know, it's a good thing. Good well, the mats are all around, so thankfully you can hit the mat. But I was I was scared that if I came off, I would hurt myself, you know, hurt my knees. I both of my knees are shot from snowboarding and skiing. I've had three knee surgeries, so and and an ankle surgery from sports that I played. So I I was concerned, but then the first time I fell, well, then fall, I just dropped uh and landed, and I took inventory and I was okay. I was like, oh, okay, I can do this. So now you're not as concerned about doing a committing move at the top of a route. Because if you if you fall, you're gonna fall. And now you now you know, okay, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be safe.

Speaker 25:56

So you climb over at um I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 1 25:58

Did your son climb or you got him into it, or he got you back into it?

Speaker 2 26:02

BC's uh before it was BC's when it was the inner wall. Inner wall, yep. Um, when my kids were in elementary school, both both my kids they had an after-school program.

Speaker 1 26:13

Oh, okay. So they would go.

Speaker 2 26:14

So they were familiar with it. Yeah, they were familiar with it. And then once my son got into middle school, he stopped doing that. Um and then over the past like year and a half, he uh he got into bouldering and he's been bouldering hard. And uh he was learning over at BC's, and now he's going outside and he's gonna start doing some rope stuff and getting out in the gunks, you know. Okay, in on the real rock.

Speaker 26:40

Do you get over to uh Gravity Vault at all? There's just a little there's a little group of new palts folks that climb over there. Absolutely literally Wyatt and and Paul.

Speaker 2 26:49

Yeah, there's uh I mean there's a lot of climbers around here. You know what? I used to go to Gravity Vault. We before they opened the Poughkeepsie one, we used to go to uh the one in Paramus.

Speaker 1 26:59

Oh wow. You know, we didn't know we had Russ Clun on here. So Russ was going through the whole hierarchy of climbing with us. And uh Fraccia was here too, and he said we're talking about the same thing. So basically, they were talking about sport climbing and like BCs and the gravity vault and the all this indoor climbing. And they're like, Yeah, some guys don't climb outside. And both Jeff and I were like, wait a minute, how are you calling yourself a climber, but you've never been outside on the mountain? They're like, it's a bit of a thing in climbing. And like you gotta and like people don't do it. And he's like, Well, there's sports climbers, there's mountain climbers. You can't identify yourself as a mountain climber unless you climb mountains. Right. Yeah. Which to me was like, we Jeff and I immediately were like, those guys are posers.

Speaker 27:44

We can't do it and a fraction of what they're doing.

Speaker 1 27:49

Listen, the bouldering's insane to me because I'll ride my bike down overcliff, right? And you see them and I see them right there hanging completely upside down, and they're like eight feet off the ground. Yeah. No rope. No rope, hands all chalky, feet all cramped around some rock. I'm like, I don't know how these guys are doing it.

Speaker 2 28:04

And you know, the the safety factor is definitely not as it's not as safe as the gym where you have this huge one foot thick cushion to land on. They're out there in four-inch with four-inch pads with their buddy, yeah, and everyone's spotting them to to make sure that you know if they do come off, they don't get hurt. Uh but yeah, but there's a ton of people who climb indoors uh and boulder indoors who never go outside. And some of it's because you know you may not have a place like we have here. Yeah. Uh, but you need I mean, to climb, you need equipment, you need training. Uh, you know, it's it's obviously dangerous. Yeah, yeah. Uh you don't want to, you know, that's something that you have to really learn and know what you're doing. If you're gonna go out in the gunks and climb and set up ropes yourself, whether you're top roping or lead climbing.

Speaker 1 28:55

Yeah. It's uh we're kind of spoiled living here for certain things. Like I'm not a climber, I've done a little climbing, but you just kind of take it for granted that other places have this opportunity. The same with like gravel riding or hiking. Yeah. Like the hiking here, which I know you've done a lot of hiking too. It's unbelievable here.

Speaker 2 29:13

Some of the best hiking in the country. It's unreal. There's there's I mean uh during during COVID, uh, we had a hiking group and and we did uh all of the Catskill 35 high peaks in in like eight months.

Speaker 1 29:25

Yeah, that's a big endeavor.

Speaker 2 29:27

Uh and that was a lot of fun, and uh I had always been wanting to do that, but hiking in the gunks is like is unbelievable. The trails, there's there's a lot of stuff out there uh that is you know, you can do easy, you can do pretty, but you can also do some stuff that's sketchy. Yeah, there's no there's no shortage of that.

Speaker 1 29:51

A lot of bushwhacking and yeah, it's amazing in the whole ridge. I'm amazed at the ridge, right? Because I'm in the ridge, we're all in the we know the ridge pretty intimately, just the different feel between, and I could tell people like, dude, you're they're like, you're just crazy, you're stupid. I'm like, no. You could be riding your gravel bike, and I could be blindfolded and taken somewhere and start riding my bike, and just by the dirt, I'm like, this is Sam's Point, this is the preserve, right? This is Minawaska, you know, like just the trees, the the terrain. Yeah, it's very different from each little juncture, whether it's preserved, mountain house, property, or minnowska.

Speaker 2 30:25

Yeah, we're amazing. We we've been playing out here for for decades.

Speaker 1 30:28

It's so unreal. Decades. Right. And I think Minawaska just opened for cycling, right? Yeah, is it back?

Speaker 2 30:34

They fixed the Awasting. Are they done with that? Around the lake is that and they opened it. We can't wait to see it. Yeah. Have you been on it yet? No. So they're not going to change now the the they're gonna go back to the original Awasting swim start now, right?

Speaker 1 30:46

That has never I mean, I would imagine, Jeff, that that's probably what they're doing. Go back to the original start.

Speaker 30:53

Yeah, there's no reason not to.

Speaker 1 30:54

I don't know, but that's not been 100% finalized. Verify.

Speaker 30:57

If it's back open, why I don't know.

Speaker 1 30:59

I just think that there'll be somebody who lobbies that the beach was an amazing place to stop the swim.

Speaker 31:05

And I'm just saying. I don't think it's happening. I don't think it's it would go. I there's no reason to go to to change it. I think it would if it's open again, it sounds like it'd be a great run. I think you'd probably see a lot faster runs. Actually, that'll be really interesting. That was really like a single track.

Speaker 2 31:22

That was like a single track. Yeah, I agree. I mean, just just everyone everyone has fallen back there.

Speaker 3 31:27

Yeah, I mean multiple times.

Speaker 2 31:29

You could break an angle running that, you know, once you get off of the upper level.

Speaker 1 31:33

We've run in groups, I've seen people go down hard.

Speaker 3 31:35

Yeah.

Speaker 1 31:36

Listen, just the that the that new run alone would make it worth it, right? But listen, I don't think I think there was a lot of people that thoroughly 100% enjoyed the beach finishing swim.

Speaker 2 31:52

Was that where the finish was for Wasting? Was there?

Speaker 31:56

Yeah. I mean, that's kind of nice. You're on you're in dangerous ground right now, buddy.

Speaker 1 32:00

Listen, I'm not saying this is my view.

Speaker 32:02

I'm just saying I'm trying to say this is you are you are in tricky territory, my man.

Speaker 1 32:07

I will say this. When I was helped like delivering the stuff on Thursday, we're driving around dropping all the stuff off, which is a serious Jeff, you've been part of that whole crowd, right? Yeah. You know how difficult it is dropping all that stuff off. When stuff is stockpiled at the beach for the cleanup after, all that stuff, it made things much easier. I don't think it's out of nowhere, this let's talk about this rabbit hole. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that the traditional start happens. You swim down the lake, dangerous territory. Go right around a buoy and finish 1.1 miles later at the beach. Who knows? All right. Now all you SOS are out there. Yes, I am.

Speaker 2 32:58

You can go and make that happen.

Speaker 1 33:00

We're both on the committee, Jeff and I.

Speaker 33:01

That's why I'm telling him it's it's a tricky, he's making some tough goals here.

Speaker 1 33:04

This year the SOS isn't the 30th of August. I heard. Yeah, they had a move. I heard that.

Speaker 33:09

Which I honestly and the 40th anniversary. Listen, I'm gonna say this. So now's your time to do it.

unknown 33:16

Come back.

Speaker 33:17

40th year. Come back.

Speaker 3 33:20

I mean, no, do the race. Do the race, no chance. No chance. It is so much pain. Fair enough. I have enough pain. Yeah, you don't need any more pain.

Speaker 1 33:30

You don't want that. Right. If I saw your name on the registration list, I'd call you up.

Speaker 3 33:34

Like, what are you doing?

Speaker 33:36

That would be every year I've signed up. You asked me that question. What are you doing? What are you doing? Belong on that list.

Speaker 1 33:43

People are like, hey, you're gonna do the SOS instrument, sure.

Speaker 2 33:47

And then you got you know, people like Dr.

Speaker 1 33:49

Mike, yeah, who's done so many 30, and he's bad, he'll be doing it again this year. Yep.

Speaker 33:55

Yeah, why not? If you when you got to that point, why not just?

Speaker 1 33:58

Dr. Mike might beat Alex's runtime with that new knee. Let's get that out there.

Speaker 34:03

Oh, he's got a new knee? Bionic? Yeah. Nice. Dr. Mike.

Speaker 2 34:08

He got a knee replacement.

Speaker 1 34:09

Yeah.

Speaker 4 34:09

He's gonna run on one leg. He's gonna hop. Less resistance, right?

Speaker 1 34:13

Let's face it. Dr. Mike on one knee probably hopping could take us out in a race, Joe. Oh, for sure. Hop right past all of us, all four of us.

Speaker 2 34:22

He'd hop on the good leg and kick you with the other leg.

Speaker 1 34:26

No doubt. What a good guy. So listen, the 30th for the SOS. That's a popular date, I think. Kids SOS will be the week before. It could kick off a whole week of SOS activities culminating the last weekend of the summer. Warmer water? I think that's a date that's gonna stay. Dude, Glenn, you're just going for it today. Listen, Jeff, I'm the only guy. What are you doing? I'm the only guy in the race committee that wants the traditional start in September because I like the cold water. As a swimmer, I like the cold water. I love the runner guys that suffer in cold water. I love the emergency blankets guys wrapped up, shivering, cramping. Run over those guys. They're cramping. And then they pass me again, of course. They pass you, but still. They're getting up and running. It feels good for like that first 30 minutes. So, anyway, so what's new on your horizon? Yeah, what's next? The thriving practice.

Speaker 2 35:18

Uh gonna I'm next the next thing for me would hopefully to find someone to take in who would actually stay and then you could phase into a partner with me and then stay so I can step back a little bit. That'd be cool. Yeah, go maybe work a little less and uh that'd be nice. Have someone who I could transition the whole practice to, you know.

Speaker 1 35:44

Yeah.

Speaker 2 35:45

Two to three years.

Speaker 1 35:46

That'd be sweet. Listeners out there. Yeah. Anyone listening?

Speaker 35:51

Yeah, let's get after it. I mean, there's a thriving practice to partner with and and start to, you know. It's like a reverse mortgage, right? They come in and they start uh that's great. Start taking over a little bit.

Speaker 1 36:04

We were just a little bit. We were just talking about the gunks before and the caskets. What's your favorite gunks hike? If you could pick a favorite. Wow. I know that's a tough question.

Speaker 2 36:12

Legal or illegal hike?

Speaker 1 36:14

Whatever. Whatever you want.

Speaker 2 36:16

Um shingle gully is unbelievable. Okay. Shingle gully is is really, really, really cool. Um so if if you haven't done it or don't know what it is, that's the Grand Canyon of the Gunks.

Speaker 1 36:32

Yeah, I know it well.

Speaker 2 36:32

You start uh at Berm Road Park in Ellenville. Uh and does this sound witches hole, right?

Speaker 1 36:39

Is it part of the witches?

Speaker 2 36:40

It's not part of Witches Hole. Witches Hole is a little bit more towards Accord. Accord. Um so that that hike is really cool. When you do it with a docent, they take you up the drainage ditch.

Speaker 1 36:52

You're supposed to go with somebody, yeah.

Speaker 2 36:54

Yeah. So you go up, um, you get there what you know, there was a landslide in there two years ago. So you used to be able to go all the way through the the canyon, which is spectacular, but because of the landslide, you cannot get as far as you used to be. So now when you get in there, they'll take you into something called refrigerator canyon. It's really cold, and then you have to go back up on the ridge, and you end up going uh on the top of the canyon for a while. I'd love to do this. And then you come down and you go into something called uh grandfather cave. Yep. Uh, and in there you can go literally, you walk into the cave, but then you can go, there's steps that lead down into a cave, and then you kind of come back up through a worm a wormhole into that area. How do you what did you call the preserve? You can call it you can call the preserve or state park. Uh it's through Sam's Point.

Speaker 1 37:53

So they arranged it for you.

Speaker 2 37:54

Yeah, they have they have different trips at different times.

Speaker 1 37:58

I'm gonna try, I'm gonna get we should get on that, guys. How long was the trip from start to finish? Was it a day?

Speaker 2 38:02

No, no, it's not even that long. I mean, I think the whole thing will take you depending upon how fast and how big the group is, about anywhere from three to five hours.

Speaker 4 38:14

I think they book it though for a day because they figure it's lovely people. Yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 38:18

You know who listen, I'm not naming names. You still work with them. You know him well too. He's in there all the time camping out by himself. Yeah, we should just take him. Yeah.

Speaker 4 38:27

I'm not going to be able to do the tunnels and that there's actual vegetation in the tunnels. Is that true? There is. In the cave, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it looks like a rainforest, right?

Speaker 2 38:37

Total, total. It feels prehistoric. That's what happens. It feels when you walk in there, it feels prehistoric.

Speaker 1 38:44

Does it surprise you that that guy's in there illegally? No. Totally. He's probably got a little house built in some tree up there.

Speaker 3 38:51

Yeah.

Speaker 2 38:52

I mean, Witches Hole was a pretty cool hike. Yeah, I did that.

Speaker 4 38:56

I did that one time.

Speaker 2 38:57

That's fun, but it they they've really uh They don't want you in there either. No, they the access has been cut off to that area. They're just trying to, I don't know if they're trying to let it recover. Um, where people used to park for Witches Hole, uh, which was on um is that Fordmore Road. Fortmore. No, Port Bend Road. Fort Bend.

Speaker 4 39:18

But there's like a house right there. There's a house, you gotta go around their house. Exactly. It's kind of weird because you're like in your property.

Speaker 2 39:23

So so the way to bypass that is to park on Port Bend Road and bushwhack up around the house, and then you can get back on the trail there.

Speaker 39:32

Allegedly.

Speaker 2 39:33

Allegedly, allegedly, you can do that. This is great stuff right here. That's a lot of fun. Um and then in the in the parks, my goodness. Um I don't know. There's just so much, such great, so many great areas. Uh I like going out from uh the Awasting Reserve, going up to Mud Pond and going to the room.

Speaker 1 39:58

Yeah, I've seen you've hiked on Strava. I've seen you've been to Mud Pond a few times. You like that hike. That's a cool hike.

Speaker 2 40:02

It's a brutal hike. We did that in like early March a couple years ago. It's like 17 miles. And it was like 42 degrees. It was like it was that was that was tough. How many miles? Like 17. I don't think. There's some ways into mud pond you. We went three miles all the way. We went past mud pond all the way to Vegito Hill Kill Falls.

Speaker 1 40:22

Well, if you're going up from the reserve, I mean it's like four miles up, four miles back, then three miles to mud pond from there.

Speaker 4 40:30

Yeah, that's covered the quickest one. Yep.

Speaker 2 40:32

And then as you're going out towards mud pond, there's um Indian uh relics. There's like a spot kind of halfway that has supposedly where uh you know Indians used to kind of spend the night. You could see there was like a fire pit. That's cool. It's kind of tucked.

Speaker 1 40:51

That whole area is pretty pretty wild and remote out there.

Speaker 2 40:54

Yep.

Speaker 1 40:55

I love when you cycle out there and you get to the trees, the pitch pines, it's all burnt. That's great. You know, I always say it's like you're in a mordor. Yeah. And the landscape's still all scorched, the rattlesnakes scrolling around. Am I? Yeah. Yeah. You come out of the preserve where people are like, it's like people in like suits like drinking tea or like hiking. It's great. Next thing you know, you get to Sam's point, it's like burnt out rattlesnake haven't. You're like, where the heck am I now? It's amazing.

Speaker 41:21

Cool.

Speaker 1 41:22

It's cool.

Speaker 41:22

Yeah. So let me go back just real quick to to your um professional life. Sure. So nearly 40 years of of doing this work as a chiropractor. Um it's pretty, pretty great, pretty long-term thing going on. Um so what would you say has been the best part of being a chiropractor for 40 years? What was the most fulfilling thing for you? What what has changed your life the most? What did you not what was the most unexpected thing you've run into?

Speaker 2 41:58

Those are a bunch of questions. Um you know, when when I moved up, moving up here was life-changing. Um and having the type of practice that I have now and and being able to evolve into what I am now has been uh an amazing journey. So I'm most proud of where I am right now. But like before I worked at Army, um when I had just gotten my ART certification, I was really up here, and I, you know, I was struggling because I was, you know, there's like eight chiropractors in New Balts when I moved up here. And um how many are there still that many in town? You know, there there's probably still a good eight. Um and so you know, I'm doing Iron Man and I'm meeting all the triathletes, and um my first big break came uh thanks to Alex Sherwood. Uh Alex was running with um James McGowan. Yeah, who is James, the cross-country coach for Vassar College, and those guys are running, and Al James is telling Alex about how he's got a bunch of athletes that they can't keep on the field, and Alex dropped my name to him. Wow, so you got in there. And so James called me. He asked me if I'd be interested in working at Vassar. Uh and I went and met with them and the head athletic trainer, and they said, All right, well, let's give it a go. And uh so I did that, I think, starting in around 2007 or 2008.

Speaker 1 43:30

Um which must have been a pretty cool experience. That was great.

Speaker 2 43:33

It started out with just cross-country runners and track, and then it it I it within a very short period of time, I was treating ever from ev all the different sports. And like I would go there on Tuesday and Thursday and see like 20 kids. Okay. And I would spend like four hours there working. And uh that was that was awesome. It's a cool campus. It's a beautiful oh my god, it's so beautiful in the spring when the flowers start going.

Speaker 1 43:58

It's it's it's historic. My one daughter was taking tests, was taking voice lessons down the road with someone like every other week on a Sunday morning. So we would drive out there, drop her off for an hour lesson, and Mel and I would run through Vassar campus.

Speaker 2 44:11

Yep.

unknown 44:11

Yeah.

Speaker 1 44:11

Beautiful. Beautiful. Yeah.

Speaker 2 44:13

And then I got, you know, Vassar kind of slowed down, but the old athletic training. So Marist's athletic trainer had been there for a very, very long time and he passed away. Um I forget his name, but he had he got very sick. And Vassar's athletic trainer took his position. And so I was very friendly with him. You got into Marist. And that's how I got into Marist. Like a year after he was there, he's like, all right, yeah, we can get you in there. I started working at Marist, which was fun because now we're working with D1 kids. D1. Right. Which was uh, you know, very, very cool.

Speaker 1 44:47

And you're seeing kids from all over the world now. Yeah. Like the world that comes out.

Speaker 2 44:51

So many, so many international kids there from basketball and water polo and tennis and soccer. Um, and they were there were, you know, I mean, it's the Mac, but they're still there's still there's still really, really talented athletes there. And there's a ton of talented athletes in D3. There's you know, yeah, just because you you're not a D1 in a D1 school doesn't mean you're not a D1 athlete. Yeah. So a lot of these kids can't get in, and you know, a lot of the scholarship opportunities are not there. So they go D3, and you know, it's it's still a lot of work if you're on a team. You know, it's a full-time job on top of your student your studies.

Speaker 1 45:29

Uh there was this kid from Maris, a John Bowen student teacher. His name was Keith. So he's like, John's telling me this guy I work with, this is probably 10 years ago. He's like, Yeah, he's a swimmer at Maris. I'm like, really? So long and short of it, this kid became the son I'll never have. He comes on, he was a swimmer for Marist. He was a fly fish, he came from Montana. He was the Montana 50 freestyle champion and the singles tennis champion, state champion. Wow. And his him and his dad were avid fly fishermen, so he got all these full scholarship rides, and ultimately his dad's like, dude, you're close to those real hallowed fishing grounds and the cat skills at Marist. So he came here for that reason. So then he winds up at Walkill, and I love fishing and swimming, and next thing you know, we were hanging out.

unknown 46:17

Cool.

Speaker 1 46:17

He's like, Well, it was the Montana State Champion, so he was always trying to downplay it. I'm like, dude, you're still a state champion. Yeah. And his times were legitimate. I'm like, you're swimming in Maris, dude. Yeah.

Speaker 2 46:26

They had a good swim team.

Speaker 1 46:28

Yeah, they do. Yeah. Great program. Love it.

Speaker 2 46:30

But other things that, like, you know, it's pretty cool to be able to say from from my experience working in the army. Um, you know, the program turned around when I got there. When I got there, they had lost 13 in a row to Navy. Yeah, they're a legitimate team now. Yeah. When when Coach Munkin came in, yeah, he changed things around. And in my 10 years there, like um in 20 sometime during Trump's first presidency, he somehow got them to change the rules as to how it works to become a professional athlete if you're a cadet. And um, what they did is they allowed the cadets to defer their service if they got a pro deal. Yeah. And so uh that that happened. Um, I actually when I was still at my old office here, I had uh one player from Army come to me privately. Uh his uh his name's Caleb Campbell. Yeah, yeah. And he was he was in the draft and he got drafted uh by Minnesota, and this is probably you know somewhere around 2010, 2011. Uh, and he's packed up, he's ready to go to camp, and the army said no. This is you can't do this. Um so he had to stay in the army and he had to serve. Um, and then when he got out, he still wanted to be a professional athlete. He tried to the NFL, it didn't work. He did actually work, uh, I think he trained and did the uh Olympic bobsled uh a little bit.

Speaker 5 48:10

Okay.

Speaker 2 48:10

Cool. Probably working with Justin Harris. Nice Harris Harris was working up there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 48:16

So the uh I remember when you remember David Robertson, big center for Navy. Yep. He had to get like an act of Congress to go into the NF, the NBA.

Speaker 2 48:25

So he had to serve. He served his time.

Speaker 1 48:28

He served he so now they've made that rule change.

Speaker 2 48:31

That rule has changed, and now since that's changed, like Army has I we have like eight people in the NFL right now, and all of them were my patients.

Speaker 1 48:40

I'm a diehard college football fan. Diehard college football fan. Army's not an easy out no matter who they play. No. Especially if you're coming into West Point. Yeah. Yeah, I don't care if you're Oklahoma or Ohio State, which it's a tough game.

Speaker 2 48:55

We took Oklahoma to double overtime and lost at Oklahoma. Yeah. We also in my tenure there, like we had three, you know, every year they have a big game against someone who's a top 20 team. Yep. And we played Oklahoma when they were in the top five, we took them to double overtime.

Speaker 1 49:16

They were a potential national champion.

Speaker 2 49:18

We missed a game-winning field goal in the big house at Michigan. I remember that game. I mean, like, those were like three of like the the best games that they had a chance to beat a top 25 team. But I was also on the team when we got hammered by Ohio State. Yeah. Uh we got hammered by Notre Dame. We got hammered by LSU.

Speaker 1 49:50

Um, and so you listen, but you know. Anyway, Jeff, here's what we need to do. You need to get yourself and your family to Army. We can go. We'll do a whole tailgate experience. You know who's got seasoned tickets? So if you want to go, uh, Russell. Bill Russell's got seasoned tickets for Army Hats for the past 35 years. Thanks for your tickets, Bill. So he'll he sits down with me because I helped work at the pool. Bill, I appreciate it. With Bill, he's gonna bring up Army tomorrow, and he'll be like, What games could you go? I'll see the schedule, and he'll have his couple games he's going to with his wife and you know, different friends. So I always get a you know, a game or two. And then he's like, You have anybody that wants to go?

Speaker 2 50:29

So he's always looking it's a great tailgate. I love it. It's such a great experience.

Speaker 1 50:33

And it's great driving with Bill. It's got all the parking passes, just sit in the car. Yep. And he does a full tailgate. You know, he knows he's got it down to his side, doing it for three decades. Breakfast, lunch.

Speaker 2 50:43

They they they do it all at the full bar. Yeah. Every every every tailgate has a full bar and a campfire.

Speaker 1 50:49

Yeah. Wow. It's great. And like that's and you'll never find such a polite tailgate. It's not like you're in a giant stadium where people are like, rude, messy, like, giant stadium tailgate.

Speaker 51:00

It's the last time I talked about it.

Speaker 1 51:00

Or like, yes, sir, no, ma'am. You know, it's unreal. Yep. You could bring your kids and your kids could wander off and like they'll be completely safe. Not like they condone that, but true, true.

Speaker 51:12

They could be uh I mean, you're not getting on or off that campus without going through six guards anyway.

Speaker 1 51:19

You know, you could ask anybody anything, and it's like, yes, sir, what do you what do you need? Yeah. I actually asked some female cadets once, and when my daughter was thinking of going there, I was like, Are you guys happy you're here? And they gave me a canned answer, and they're like, This guy, student I was telling you about, and I was like trying to get to the like, tell me what we need to know, and they're like, It's been a wonderful opportunity. And I was like, Yeah, and he looked at them, this former student of mine, he's like, Tell him what he wants to hear, and they're like, We're glad it's over. And I'm like, Should she go somewhere else? And they're like, We don't have any regrets of coming here, but it's been a long four years.

Speaker 2 52:01

The hard but the hard part for them starts after that. Yeah. That's right. You got it when you actually go and serve. Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 52:10

So Josie made no regrets. She's now the librarian at Beacon High School. She's very excited.

Speaker 2 52:14

But you know, make no mistake, those kids come out of there with amazing educations. School is amazing. Um, the contacts that they make when they come out and they're done serving. Yeah. I mean, there's not there's not a lot of poor West Point grads out there.

Speaker 1 52:33

No, it's called the Millionaires Club. Yep. They have like a whole network of getting each other jobs.

Speaker 2 52:37

Every game, there there's always one or two opportunities where like the graduating class is donating a check and they tell you how much money they've donated, and it's like tens of the city. I see that all the time with the big dollars. And the other thing about going back to the stadium now is you know, they did an expansion at the stadium. Yeah. Um, so where the cadets used to sit, it's now a huge grandstand. It's now a huge grandstand like the other side, and it's gonna be open for the first time this coming year, right? This coming football season, which is gonna be amazing. It's gonna be really beautiful.

Speaker 53:10

Jeff, are we gonna hit these questions? You got any more questions? Hey, I have one more before we get to our our list of questions. I had one more for you. Um just as a long member of the community, you serve a lot of people. Obviously, you've done this stuff that's like in in these different teams, and you've gone across the river in the colleges, so you've you've interacted with athletes from all over the world, all over the area, all over the country that come to these schools as athletes. But as far as being to bring it all the way back to New Palts and the Schwangungs uh in this area, you know, what has what has been when you walk away from this life um as a uh you know as a chiropractor, you know, you know, maybe that's in the in this your sunsetting a little bit maybe in the in the near future, nearer future than than it has been. Um what what are you gonna think is your most significant impact to this outless community? Jeff went to interview school this past week.

Speaker 1 54:11

Jeff, uh pull the question out.

Speaker 2 54:13

You know, it's it's it's amazing to be able to help people overcome injuries or pain that they have been struggling with for sometimes years or or even longer. Um yes, we treat a lot of sports injuries. I treat a a ton of adolescent athletes, which is so much fun and so rewarding. Um I mean, from grade school, I got soccer kids and lacrosse kids from like you know, fourth to sixth grade that get overuse injuries, and then middle school and high school. So that's a lot of fun. Um but you know, we also treat people who have uh been dealing with injuries and pain that has not responded to normal care, like could have been physical therapy, they may have had a surgery that didn't go well, or they didn't have a great outcome, and um active release combined with some of the other things that we do really can reverse some people's suffering and pain that they've had for a long time and take them to a place that they hadn't been or seen, and then they get back to being able to do things that we all want to do around here. Great answer. So that's that's really the coolest thing is when when someone says, Wow, I just you know did a walk or I did a run and I had no pain, or and I'm able to ski or you know, play a sport again when I haven't been able to do that, you know, and they say thank you. Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 1 55:48

I've been in those experiences, I've had serious injuries that you've patched me up. I remember the one time I was doing Iron Man, you're like, I don't know, dude, you're already hurting. I did the race, it was amazing. And then the nerve pain I had of a couple years ago. I was coming in there getting treated, and next thing you know, Tom and I are doing the turkey trot four months later. Remember that was we banded at the turkey trot. My first run in like five months.

Speaker 2 56:13

There it you know, it's funny because you know, we deal with a lot of runners, a lot of people who uh, you know, whether they're doing 5K's, 10K's, marathons, ultra marathons, yeah, um, triathlons, um, you know, the number one reason why people like that end up into my office is usually mistakes in training or overtraining. Um so we have to you know you have to teach people what how to recover, what you need to do, you know, when to use a foam roller, how to stretch, when to take time off, when not to do too much intense intensity, because too much intensity can really lead to an injury that can then linger.

Speaker 1 56:55

Um you know, and there's plenty of these lunatics in town.

Speaker 2 56:59

There's enough, and you know it's funny because um I guess I could probably s say this. Yes. Gay Gail Mancuso. Okay. Now, yeah. What a perfect segue.

Speaker 3 57:12

Gail, Gail, she loves this.

Speaker 2 57:15

She's gonna love this.

Speaker 5 57:16

Yeah.

Speaker 2 57:17

Gail was training for like the New York City Marathon.

Speaker 1 57:19

Yep. She's a great action.

Speaker 2 57:21

And and she had uh a horrible Achilles injury, and she's I remember her Achilles injury. Yep. So, you know, we're working on her, and I'm like, I I have no idea how you're gonna do this race. And um, I'm like, what's your plan if things go south? She's like, I'm planting a bottle of wine about mile 15, and I'm gonna stop there.

Speaker 1 57:40

That's a great plan. That's a great plan.

Speaker 57:42

It's the most Gail plan I've ever heard. Good for you, Gail. I hope, I hope you did the marathon, though. I hope she did it. I don't I don't know. Maybe I hope she drank the bottle of wine at mile 15.

Speaker 1 57:52

She's got some of the greatest stories of all time. Like riding her bike down like New Jersey, someone cut her off. That's you know, she's in a fist fight with some like mob dump guy in New Jersey. She's like going haymakers at the end of the day. It's awesome. She's a she's an incredible person.

Speaker 2 58:06

And now you and now Gabby. Gabby, great. Gabby and uh, you know, doing her thing over at your school.

Speaker 1 58:13

We worked together for one year. Yep. She's great, brings a lot of energy.

Speaker 2 58:16

Is she still doing track coach, right?

Speaker 1 58:19

Track, coach, Nordic ski. Yep. Yeah. She's cool. She's a great person. Yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 58:25

And and like well, I can't say that, but let's go there. Yeah. Nice. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's you know, it's just amazing just meet meeting all the people that I've met over the years now, 20 years here.

Speaker 1 58:38

Yep. You listen, you've treated every family member of mine. I've had myself, Mel, of course, been in a numerous time, Josie Tess, and Ella. I've had Ella in there when she was like 10. It's like, my hips are killing me.

Speaker 2 58:50

I think my my youngest patient I ever got, and this was back in the early days when I had just started doing active release, um, was um a girl who had broke her elbow. And she was four. And they had to put pins and screws in, and then they had to then they took them out. Um, but she couldn't straighten her elbow all the way, and she came to me uh a couple of times and we s we straightened her elbow out. Nice. We got rid of the scar tissue, and she was able to straighten the elbow. And I I never I would almost say I never saw her again, but she just came back in 20 years later.

Speaker 1 59:30

Yeah, that's a good feeling, man.

Speaker 2 59:32

For something else.

Speaker 1 59:33

That's so cool.

Speaker 2 59:34

And I'm like, wow, the last time I saw you, you were four. Do you even remember that? She's like, I remember.

Speaker 1 59:40

That's amazing. That's like that's like a full circle, man. It's a good feeling. When like you know, same as a school teacher, when all of a sudden you would start seeing kids and the parents come in, who's the kids you had, you know.

Speaker 2 59:51

Yeah.

Speaker 1 59:52

It's amazing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 59:54

It's insane that we've been doing it so long. That that's we're old guys.

Speaker 1 59:58

That's yeah. Yeah. We're old guys. You guys, for sure. Yeah, we're old. We're young. You know what? 62 is like the new 40. It is. When I was growing up. When when we were all growing up, when we were all growing up, right? Let's say in like the 80s, late 70s, 80s, whatever. If you were like a 55-year-old guy, you were an old guy. Totally. But like here we are in like 2026. A 50-year-old guy, you're not an old guy, Jeff.

Speaker 1:00:27

Thank you, Glenn.

Speaker 1 1:00:28

You're like, you're like I'm feeling it. But dude, you're looking, you're feeling it, but then you're still running Rock the Ridge, right? A relay?

Speaker 1:00:36

Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 1:00:37

Yeah. So what no 50-year-old guys in 1978 were not running at all.

Speaker 2 1:00:42

Probably not. Do you know you know Al Diamond? Uh yeah, I do know Al. Al Diamond's a very famous climber around here, Peter Darmy. Yep. Peter Darmy's. Peter Darmy's, I think, is in the 70s, and he climbed El Capitan. Yeah. Like speed climbed it, like within the past five years, maybe 10 years. And you see these guys, and they're all they're all still in amazing physical shape. 100%. You know, that's the thing that's different about New Palts. Yeah, people are freaks here. Yeah, I mean, like the athletic of you know, just the athleticism of everyone in this town, for the most part. Yeah. Everybody's doing something. They came here for to be in this area. They came here for it. Yeah. Do the things that we're all doing. And uh it's amazing to be a part of it and to try and help them, you know, achieve their goals.

Speaker 1 1:01:31

The endurance capital of the East. Yeah. I like it. It's a good segment. Tim Rogers read that into the uh the uh minutes. Like I said, Tim, you know, read this in and put together a resolution. It's like, whereas Newport is the home of the SOS, whereas New Paul is a home of climate, whereas boom, because Auburn, California declared themselves the endurance capital of the West. So Kevin Borden and I declared New Paul's the endurance capital of the East. Not the East Coast, the East. Excellent. So we're gonna have Tim read that into a resolution. So if anybody tries to take it, bam.

Speaker 1:02:06

Sounds like you can't have it. It's ironclad.

Speaker 1 1:02:10

It's on the back of my t-shirt for big year, pal. Too funny. Nice.

Speaker 1:02:14

All right. So, Mr. Ness. Doctor. Dr. Ness. Oh, it's Doctor to you, buddy. Ouch. Um David, what what is uh uh when you were growing up, what was your um what TV show did you watch religiously as a kid? Wow, so many.

Speaker 2 1:02:34

I was a TV nut.

Speaker 1 1:02:36

You know, um you're the heyday of TV right now back then. Welcome back, here it is. Oh, one of my very favorite television shows. What a good song.

Speaker 3 1:02:48

Talk about a good intro. The greatest, the greatest Mr. Cotter.

Speaker 1 1:02:54

Mr.

Speaker 1:02:54

Katel.

Speaker 1 1:02:56

This is it.

Speaker 1:02:58

There it is. Let's hear it. Oh, Tom.

Speaker 4 1:03:02

I grew up on this. Chico and the man, welcome back. Oh my god, good.

unknown 1:03:07

It's great.

Speaker 1 1:03:08

What a great song. So we go to school. We're oh so Horseshack, the guy that played Horseshack died like what, probably 10 years ago.

Speaker 1:03:21

Within, right, right around then.

Speaker 1 1:03:23

So I go to school at Walk Hill, and I go, yo, do you guys hear the now? I'm in an office with like 15 or 20 people, mostly history teachers, some English teachers. And I was like, dude, the guy that played Horseshack died. So someone pulls it up on the computer. So now the theme song's blasting. So we're all singing Welcome Back Connor, and the principal is giving, Rydell is a principal, is giving another principal a tour of the high school. So he opens our office door, and when they're all singing Welcome Back Connor, they both stare at us, and then he looks at the guy and goes, I told you, this is my best apartment in the entire building. And it closed the door and they walked away.

Speaker 2 1:04:03

That's great.

Speaker 1 1:04:04

What a great show, man. Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 2 1:04:07

Oh my god. Baba Baba Babarino.

Speaker 1:04:10

It's amazing. All right, great answer. Um, do you have any um, you know, as far as music goes, uh like a guilty pleasure song or type of music? You know, the type of song you listen to and you're in the car by yourself and you're gonna blast it and sing it out loud. But you wouldn't do that otherwise.

Speaker 2 1:04:29

Something that uh, you know, I'm I'm I'm not ashamed of any of my musical choices. Let's hear it. So you know, what what would I play the loudest would be 5050 by Frank Zappa.

Speaker 1 1:04:44

I love Frank Zappa. Greatest album of all time is Joe's Garage.

Speaker 2 1:04:48

Yep. Oh nice with Gene Luc Ponty on violin, just killing it with the most amazing violin. We have not had a Frank Zappa.

Speaker 1 1:04:56

We have not had a Zappa. That's I saw Frank Zappa over at the Civic Center. It was a hell of a night. Needless to say, it got crazy, Jeff. I'm sure it did. My friend Zappa, he uh that album Joe's Garage was great. It's so funny. Yeah. It's it's really comical.

Speaker 2 1:05:18

It's comical.

Speaker 1 1:05:19

It is, and like I'll sometimes be saying lines and be like walking around. I and you can't say something line. It's about making dinner with my family, you know. Like my wife's like, stop.

Speaker 2 1:05:26

Especially with young children. Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:05:28

My wife's like, stop. It's like you don't need to be quoting Frank Zappa, Joe's garage, or I can't make a salad. She's like, save that for hanging out with Jeff.

Speaker 2 1:05:36

And now now, I don't know if you know this. So you you spoke to Bill Weinstein.

Speaker 1 1:05:42

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:05:43

His cousin.

Speaker 1 1:05:45

Dude, Bill Weinstein has a Frank Zappa story.

Speaker 2 1:05:48

Bill Weinstein's first cousin played Marimba and Vibes in his in Frank Zappa's overnight sensation band and in a pocket. Album. So if you look that up, I don't think I can remember her name off the top of my head. It's wild. She didn't come up incredible on the xylophone, like ridiculous.

Speaker 1 1:06:16

Bill Bill had story after story. We didn't even scratch the iceberg. He had the Robert De Niro story. Remember the Robert De Niro story he had? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, I have more. He could be the most interesting person alive. Remember the Dosakis commercial? We should just take that guy out with Bill Hen.

Speaker 1:06:35

You could do that. I'm sure you could if you could figure that out.

Speaker 3 1:06:38

Nothing. Alright. Nothing. I got a little bit here. Alright. We got some 50-50.

Speaker 1 1:06:45

Oh, Joe's garage. Joe's garage, yeah.

Speaker 1:06:50

I love this song, right?

Speaker 1 1:06:53

Don't you boys know any nice songs?

Speaker 3 1:07:04

It was a strat of cast away with a wham bar.

Speaker 1 1:07:13

We could jam the Joe's garage. Nice.

Speaker 1:07:15

It's a great song.

Speaker 1 1:07:17

Um man. Dude, we've heard some good stuff today.

Speaker 1:07:19

We've never had a zappa, so well done.

Speaker 1 1:07:21

Well done.

Speaker 1:07:22

Um all right. So the last question we have for you. Um Doctor, is uh if you had a sandwich named after you, what would be on it?

Speaker 1 1:07:36

Wow. Because I know you like a sandwich because you're already represented. I mean, let's go.

Speaker 1:07:43

Who doesn't love a good sandwich? By the way, we're in an SOS show. I just want to point that out. I did. It's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 1:07:47

Nice.

Speaker 1:07:47

I'm glad you wore that.

Speaker 2 1:07:48

You know, if it wasn't below zero in here, I would have taken it off.

Speaker 1:07:52

I can't leave without pointing out you're you're representing, so I love it.

Speaker 2 1:07:56

Um you want the sandwich name or what's on it?

Speaker 1:07:59

What's on it? We want to what's on it. We know what it's called.

Speaker 2 1:08:02

It's called No, you know, that's that's a tough, that's a tough one.

Speaker 1 1:08:05

You know, go on a lunch sandwich or breakfast sandwich.

Speaker 2 1:08:08

Oh, it would be lunch. Okay. I I there's nothing better than that.

Speaker 1 1:08:12

Don't lead the witness. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 1:08:14

Let him let it get nothing beats a good cheesesteak. All right. A cheesesteak. I I I love a cheesesteak, but I also love an an Italian combo. Yeah. So a good Italian combo. Good Italian combo, you know. So you give me some prosciutto, some uh mozzarella, a little basil, some red pepper, and oil and vinegar. That was like my Toscani's like that was more what kind of bread are we talking about? Oh, it'd have to be Semolina Hero. Oh, all right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:08:46

Do you like so uh the cheesesteak? Are you a purist? Like at just the cheese steak, the cheese whiz, or are you putting it something else? You're putting peppers and onions in there?

Speaker 2 1:08:56

I like it with peppers and onions. Yeah, me too. A little bit of mayo.

Speaker 1 1:09:00

Okay.

Speaker 2 1:09:01

And uh provolone cheese.

Speaker 1 1:09:03

Yeah, I can't get behind the cheese whiz. I mean, of course I'll check.

Speaker 2 1:09:05

No, I don't yeah. Uh I'm not cheese whiz, no yellow cheese. Yeah. If you're gonna do American, it's gotta be white American.

Speaker 1 1:09:11

Yeah, okay. I'm I'm in with this. Government cheese.

Speaker 2 1:09:14

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:09:15

Exactly.

Speaker 1:09:16

That's what that's what it's called. In a can.

Speaker 1 1:09:18

I would say I draw I say that to my kids and they're like, they don't even know. I'm like, this is I'm like, I'm like American cheese. Grandma would get powdered milk. And they're like, what? I'm like, we mixed it with water. Yeah. My dad would get laid off, and like my mom would start doing laundry for the neighbors, and like there'd be like a hit, like my mom, I remember my mom crying, and there was like a ham in the laundry that the neighbor dropped off. And I had no idea that we my dad had no job at the time, laid off, so neighbors are putting food and shit in that.

Speaker 2 1:09:44

Oh, that's cool. How about the the mac and cheese where you just take the yellow powder and add a little milk, and all of a sudden it's cheese. They still have that.

Speaker 1 1:09:51

Yeah. Yeah, my kids love that shit. Annies. Annie's. I was in college because my mom made everything from scratch. Yeah, I didn't know.

Speaker 1:10:05

I never had it in a box. So what is this?

Speaker 1 1:10:08

What do they think of next?

Speaker 1:10:11

Why are they gonna put beer in a can? Come on. Let's not go down there. All right. The old man cast road. Kids these days, they don't know.

Speaker 1 1:10:23

Yeah, like my dad the other day, his car battery dies. Like, come on down and jump me. I'm like, I can't. You go down and beat the crap out of him? No. I'm like, I can't jump your car, Dad. I got a hybrid. There's no battery. I'm like, I'll bring you coffee though and hang out with you. He's like, God damn technology. What the hell's happening? I'm like, well, it is 35, 40-year-old technology. It's like, son of a bitch, no batteries in car. He was like flabbergasted.

Speaker 2 1:10:52

I didn't know you can't you can't use like a Tesla to jumpstart someone else's car.

Speaker 1 1:10:57

No. No. Yeah. So don't worry. If you get yourself a Tesla, anybody, don't worry if your friends calling you up. Like, I'd love to come jump you, but I can't.

Speaker 1:11:06

Yeah. And you can't, vice versa. Yeah. Call up triple A. Battery dies, you're you're done.

Speaker 1 1:11:12

I'll be thinking of you drinking some tea hanging out in my house.

Speaker 1:11:15

Gentlemen.

Speaker 1 1:11:17

Dr. Ness. Dr. Ness, thank you for coming. It's been a great cast. It's gonna get a lot of things.

Speaker 2 1:11:23

I'm happy to finally be here.

Speaker 1 1:11:24

It's gonna get a lot of listens, no doubt. And we got Joseph.

Speaker 2 1:11:30

We fade out with the Frank Zappa.