Season 3 Recap on Web 3 & NFTs for Content Creators

Season 3 Recap on Web 3 & NFTs for Content Creators

Season 3 of The Coached Who Build Worlds Podcast has been all about community building and Web 3 for content creators. We've explored everything from why it's important to build a community before you think about your community token, to how to use NFTs to create a microschool community. We've also discussed the challenges and importance of building a community for your token. So if you're looking to build a strong community around your project or business, be sure to check out our season 3 episodes with Contessa Louise Cooper & Dr. Kimberly Douglass. 

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Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello and welcome to the, do I want to call it season finale? We're gonna call series finale season finale of season 3, where we've talked mostly about community. And if you look at the show notes, it will go over in detail every single episode and highlights from every single episode that we've done in season 3, but dr. Kimberly and I we just wanted to to chitchat. What do they call it? Well, what is Hallelujah folks. Just Chit Chat down south. Dr. Kimberly. Set a spell chat and you. Yes, there's always some food involved. Yes. Well, I got my coffee this morning. That's about all the food that I got. But we're going to chat about some things. That's that's on our minds. And if you don't know what I'm Contessa, Louisa Cooper, and I am a coach who builds worlds and I'm dr. Kimberly Douglas. And I am also a coach who bills worlds And so dr. Kimberly what were you talking about? Just before I had to stop. You be like, wow. Wow, this is cool. Good on the podcast. So hushed, stop talking. Okay. So over the weekend, Oh My Tick Tock account. I do it a therapist who was seeing that deep breathing is not grounded. It is actually Reactivating. And I've many experiences where I tried in a crisis or, or an anxious moment, try deep breathing and it actually made me more anxious, but then I got to thinking about how and then I'll bring this back around to business and Community. I got to thinking about how many times it different schools did people who Have gone school for multiple years to learn how to be the educator, or who gone to be occupational, therapist, or even therapist had told my son to engage in deep breathing. And actually created a negative situation with the onset of a sea krait, at the onset of a situation or escalated situation, and that is 100% their fault. And even at the time, I didn't have a real image for it, if it felt Like something was wrong. Like we had this issue about a whole mindfulness team, which he wouldn't do because he didn't feel safe. And that's that's another conversation. But my point is seeing this in my point. So I do edit this person's video and I added my own words of my own words, when something like this. To nerve the Virgin entrepreneurs. And so, I work with as a coach consultant sooner, different, entrepreneurs, people, who have ADHD autism, learning, disabilities or other what we call neurodivergent. Seizure. We're wired differently. We have to be careful about the motivation speak that we listened to because it seems very practical and very common sense to engage in deep breathing. but, I can recall times and if you go look at the comments in this video people like oh my God like their head. They did the Emoji with your head exploding. I've had many times they've been told this and it actually made things worse. And so when you hire a coach or a consultant and you pay for things that these these big coaching packages that are nicely wrapped with a bow, Indian have all this fluffy tissue paper around it and you get one nugget. On in the Box this actually useful to you. But not only do you get all this fluff around it, in this motivation, speak. The motivation speak can be useless to you and it can actually be harmful to you. It is harmful. Excuse me. It is harmful to tell some people to engage in deep breathing. It actually multiple people. If you go look, the video multiple people talked about, or talk about how it Went from them, feeling anxious to them, having a full-blown panic attack. No, as a spiritualist and a coach and someone that people consider can be motivation, motivating. And there. Is it bothers me? That number one. You don't have to have any training to be a motivational speaker, right? You could play facial speaker. Number two. There's really no training that you Have to do to consider yourself a spiritualist, right? You can be ridiculous. And so there's these people that I call insta spiritualist instrument is, people have no training. They've, they've read some things on, on Tick, Tock or on Instagram or on whatever, they read a book and and tree. And now all the sudden they're this spiritual Guru spouting off all these It's like surface-level spirituality and the getting a business, a coaching business based off this surface level spirituality, when they haven't studied shit, if you go and you watch deep breathing videos by people who have been doing deep breathing for 20, 30 years. They will tell you Some of the things that you may have to watch out for. When you're doing, is you're taking out your now, taking in a large amount of oxygen body is not used to processing. And some of the things that it can cause when you practice deep breathing for the first 20 times, is dizziness and ID and it could induce. Panic attacks. Yes, it can. Yeah, because you are still living in your head. Right? Right. And so they tell you, they will slowly tell you how to do deep breathing. You're going to do it for like two or three times and you got to stop and take but if you're in the middle of a full-blown anxiety, attack me, like deep breathing is going to ground me. It's not right, right. It's going to do the opposite. Sit. So you're taking the spiritual practice that has been around for thousands of years, right? Very real ways of how to apply these things to your life that you don't know anything about. Because you just read some quote on Tick-Tock - you were going to implement this in your coaching business and because there's no accountability. In the coaching practice that this bullshit keeps being repeated over and over and over and over again. And if someone says this doesn't work for me, the blame is put on the client, right? Right on the spiritual practice that you hijacked for your profit in. So, let me be clear. Yes, and there are people just slinging his stuff all around. Take time. The people that are referring to our Educators their occupational therapist, they are therapists who were doing this and who were escalating the situation. And so the so they're not they're taking us practices and no background in spirituality. Right? Right. That's what. Yes. Yes. Yes, Noah feels like a western-style Frankenstein. Eastern practice. Isn't that what Americans do? It would weigh? Yes, it feels like a patchwork kind of situation where old that that does sounds really grounding me. Use it in yoga. Thank you. And so the thing is that It's hot, but the ending when you say to people be careful, well, not you. But I mean, I say it we all said be careful then it's hard to know for. It's hard to know what that means because then it begs the question when you are trying to develop your business and you are a big part of your business and you're trying to get the personal coaching and then the business development, the business Consulting. How do you know who to listen to? This is one of the things language to me matters. And so if I hear a coach saying and there's a difference in the language, listen, and I wrote this down because I wanted to make sure I set this. Okay, and saying, deep breathing is grounding and breathing could be grounding for you. Mmm, and those two statements. Mmm. Why If saying this is an absolute, and if this doesn't work for you, something's wrong with you. Uh-huh. One is saying, listen to your body, right? The working for you. There are probably other options. I always, always, always give other. Let's try this. Mmm-hmm. And if this doesn't work, there are other things that we can try many of my clients found success in this, but if this doesn't work for you, there are other things to do because we're all know. Not made the same way. No, we're not in. I'm glad you make that distinction because I'm thinking about how I was starting. Coaching session a coach with start. This one particular culture, started coaching session with me. We will start with deep breathing and I felt anxious the whole time. We talked. And now, I really get why. And so we use the word grounding, what we're basically talking about. Our feelings of safety. Does this make me feel safe? Does it make me feel physically, so it's not just a nothing emotional thing or something in your head. Does this make me feel physically safe or are afraid of my physical surroundings. And so when you are working with people and you feel that little twinge of anxiety or For me the way happens is everything seems to move fast. Like I talk faster. Everything gets sped up then that is my signal that I don't feel safe. I was thinking about the feeling of being safe. So if I'm in a new environment or if I'm in an environment with people that I don't trust and with they do these exercises where everyone close their eyes. Li not absolutely. Eyes in this space. I don't know y'all. Right face. I'm looking for the exit in case I got to get out of time. That's right. There was no way I'm closing my eyes. All right? You and I used to think that something was wrong with me because of that. And you just hit on those. I did not feel safe enough to be vulnerable likes. That's right. I had to keep watch on everybody. A else in this space. Another thing about this world word, grounding. It's not, it's safe. And so you have to feel safe and present and is present in this moment when you're looking for a way out, or if you feel like you have to defend yourself, or you feel like, you know, you have to watch every word you're saying every action or say, make sure your mask. Still on? No, I don't want to say because the covid so make sure you're masking all these things you're constantly doing this. So no, you don't feel grounded, right? And again, I really think. I really think that it is dangerous for someone who does not have a background in spirituality, even those popular to be using these spiritual terms. And Kids in their coaching business when they don't have any background, right? Why they did things. The way that they do. Why do Yogi's practice deep breathing? Right? And yes. And in relating that to other environments, there's a book and and by the way, you know, could I like this concept of this episode? We're weird. We had which have conversation and believe it or not. This is stuff. We actually talked about with each other all the time. So we can probably just hit record on a lot of our conversations and we have thousands of episodes, but I just wanted to throw that out there and I think yes, you know, we take a break between season 3 and season for that. We should just come on and just talk and people can just hear us and some of these ideas and things that come from us because As we come up with a lot of really great shit that y'all miss. Y'all be missing out. That's probably. That's right. We might open up. So what I reality TV show, but but yeah, you know, just having that knowledge is really important and very responsible. There's a book that I recommend to everybody and this person. I think she has a new book that's coming, that has come out, but this is, this is the book and it's geared towards children, but I think it's really Helpful is called Beyond behaviors. And in this book, her name is dr. Mona Della hook delta0. Ho o ke and she actually took time to talk to you on the phone. One day. I was so excited and just fangirling all over the place, but that's what she talks about with kids. But I think it's relevant for people who are working with adults as well. She talks about how a lot of times. Times when we're like kids are in anxious or their kind of, revved up moment. We try to talk to reason with them. We try to talk to their brain. We do it all the time. We tried to intellectualize things and we do it with adults who try to intellectualize, but it goes back to what we were just talking about. It's about feeling safe. And so what you have to do is speak to their emotions, speak to their gut, start from the ground and work your way up to the intellectual. Art, but because we are who we are as a society. We want to pretend like everything is an intellectual exercise and it's not. 99.9 percent of the time. It's really about how people are feeling about themselves and about their circumstances. People are so uncomfortable. With other people's emotions, Miss. I was watching again. I'll take talk because I spend way too much time on Tick-Tock. You can't tell because I'm not currently producing content on Tick-Tock, but I think I'm going to start doing some Duets and stuff. So people don't forget, I exist, but I was watching something on Tick-Tock. Well, they were talking about The reason why if you tell somebody that you're having a problem, the first thing they want to do is solve. It is become comfortable with you. Having emotions from the fact that you're sad that you're confused, that you're upset that that any of these things that are going on. And so they want to stop the emotion. Yes, your solution is stops the emotion, and then we can be, I can be comfortable in your presence, but I cannot. Comfortable. If you are emoting, find happens a lot with parents with kids who are having meltdowns. All they do is stop the Meltdown. That's it. Don't want it with the reason why your child having a girl, who dances are deal with fact that you probably caused the Meltdown, right? Know, a lot of people are very uncomfortable. They don't want to hear kid cry. They don't want to hear person of sad. And you know, men are fixers. because they have been taught not to do with your friends or want to even operate in this world of feelings, but it's not exclusive to And women do it as well. And so, you know, I'm just trying to I'm thinking about that and relating that to our broader conversations and just think about cultures that I've had who have been kind of dismissive of. So the situation I found myself in was that they couldn't help me with something. And of course people are who I want to appear to be experts are not going to admit that they don't know something. And so they expect me to have a certain feeling about it or about them. And so the clue to me that they're feeling funny about it. And number one, they get dismissive and then they start calling me, doctor so-and-so. When they don't usually call me that. That is hilarious to me that it is purpose. Honda Civic purposely, right? Well, yes and They and then it was like three things to happen. So they're dismissive. They call me that and then they start this thing over explaining. Because they don't have the answer. I need they start explaining everything else. And so rather than deal with what I need or the fact that I've said, you know to them that this doesn't make me feel right or that's not working for me. Like they want that feeling to go away quickly and it's, you know, here's the thing. It's okay for you to not have all the answers and it's okay for me not to Like the experience that I'm having their it's okay for me to experience that it's not okay. I mean if I'm paying you all this money, but I don't expect someone to have all the answers, but in that moment. They then shifted things back to me and making it about me and just missing my feelings and just missing my thoughts about the situation because they feel inadequate or I don't know how they feel but they feel a way in the situation. I wish I really, really, really, really, really wish and so I have A part of me wish that there was some sort of accountability system for coaches, but deep down in my heart. I know that these will only impact black coaches right in a negative way. It's not going to end. These other coach. Who are taking advantage who have money, who has means, who have cloud is not going to impact them in anyway, because they're just going to paint a little funky feet and go right. Go about causing harm in the coaching Community, but I wish I could just snap my fingers. Mmm bonds, that should not be a coach at all to anyone would just kind of go to this little island and never be seen or heard from where you were right, though. They Would just pay their money and and to, let's be honest, certifications are a form of the keeping. It's a way of keeping. So now the hair breeders are going through this with the cosmetology people, even though most hair braiders, don't chemically alter hair, they can but they don't have to, but it's about gatekeeping. It's about the revenue. It's about making sure that you get to approve who comes through the gate and who does not. And so it's a really tricky thing and I do think the People who would be most penalized are the people who start with very little in the first place. Yes, who do not intend in any way to go out and do more. They do not, they're just trying to make a living wage their right to do for their family, using the skills that they have. And so that comes to when does your skin or hobby become a business? Right? Because if you're braiding hair is a hobby, then you should vacations, right? But if you're braiding hair business, then there's these other things. You have to do. And so to me, many of the people who are coaching. Now, do not have a coaching business. They have hobby. Yes. Yes, and there is a difference between those two things. There is there's a big difference. To me, if you're not making at least like what what, whatever, whatever the the national average is for whatever that is. If you're not at least, making that in your state, you do not have a business and that, that to me, that should be pretty good guideline to whether or not you have a business or a hobby. Right? Right. One metric. That's one metric. Because there's four talking about, I'm talking about getting the government involved in your business. Okay? All right, right at the government's going to get involved in your business and telling you that you have to pay taxes and all this stuff. You should have asked is a hobby, right? No, I see what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah, my mind went into like, five different places. So I know that's why I had to stop. It's like let's just want to make sure that you were seeing it from the eyes when. Yeah, because I can understand there's so many other different metrics to the hood. Is this stuff I'm talking about getting taxed and all of this right? As another cause people who are here breeders, and now they got to get all these certifications that if you're not making any money, right? Exactly. No slim. Yeah. It's, um, It's a tricky thing about a generous, kind of a conversation about who. Is qualified to do what, right? So that's part of the conversation that we're having and Is tricky in American society that is heavily. Like it's a very colonized kind of situation and we believe that certain things are objective or we believe in the power of the written word. So, if it's on paper that you're certified, then that changes everything. So we have all these things to say that we're qualified, but we know, No, it goes like what you're saying, like who can pay to say that they're qualified? That is a big part of, that's the issue that we have in like with the student loan situation who is qualified to do. What into saying. What? I'm just I'm just thinking I'm having a lot of talk to them. That I was having a conversation the other day with someone who is new to Reiki and they're just so excited about Reiki and you know, I've taken Reiki 2. I have to hear here in the US, right? You there's Ricky State one and Ricky's days to and all this stuff that you have to be qualified for in order to you know, no Reiki. And so what people, I think, a lot of people don't understand about Reiki is Reiki is, I believe a Japanese practice that same practice can be found and other different civilizations. It's just moving energy. Mmm-hmm. Oh, I've been moving energy for years before I ever heard Reiki. And I was always funny to me, when someone who is level one Reiki comes to me and wants to educate me about moving energy because I don't have certifications right to. And I just look at them and I was like, you don't understand what you're talking about because you are so laser-focused. Yes, your way of doing things that it never occurred to you to look outside of your city to see where this shows up and other places. And I I think that it does a disservice as when we're talking about these spiritual practices that we don't talk about other places where this can show up. Right? No, I think this is very important because again, this is kind of like it's not exclusive to America, but it's a very American thing to compartmentalize that this knowledge comes from here. This knowledge come in and I do respect. And appreciate different cultures. What we often miss is how these things go across cultures. And in the way we work, the way we Rebrand, these things in American society, is we find this next best thing. You know, this is the thing, you have to learn. This is what you have to do right now. This is the hot thing right now. So remember when Pilates was high and everybody was doing Pilates and so It's kind of how our practice - it is. It's like this hierarchy of things like the hot thing right now, but you know the what you're pointing out is this is the type of knowledge that goes across cultures and they actually complement each other and they can really build and lift each other up. But because we talked about things in these little boxes, then it really makes it hard to have this conversation. And actually that person probably should have been learning from you. You as much or if not more than you could learn from them. Yes. Yes, indeed, shoot. I was going to say something. We're talking about mindfulness were talking about grounding as we're talking about certifications were talking about people having money to just purchase those o possessions they have. So So hot in these mentoring groups and of these coaching groups. And then this Mastermind, they're always talking about visualizing picture. This is your mind is, you know, not even realizing that half the people in the class. Can't visualize, right, right. The question, but this is a core method of every single time you guys get on Zoom. Every time you spend the first 20 minutes, during a visualization, that only half of the people in there can participate in and then most people are not going to speak up and say, you know what? I kicking and we talked a lot about this. We were in the data cast version of this podcast because you were saying, I think you share with me publicly there and also clubhouse that you do not visualize. And that was very eye-opening for me. Because what that means As a coach consultant, I can't even make the smallest assumption. I have to really study and understand how to provide how to really serve people because that's an assumption that a lot of coaches and consultants make. Absolutely so I don't think that as a culture consultant, we spend enough time, getting to know our clients. Uh-huh. And honestly, it could take several weeks to a month to really get to know your clients because they have to be comfortable enough with you, right? Oh, really personal information? Because I mean, I'm pretty outspoken, right? I don't. I'll be like, yeah, this is Working for me. Right? Out of people are not there yet. No, stop when it says, and say, this doesn't work for me because they're still dealing with the fact that I'm broken. I'm, there's something wrong with me. And so we have to get over the, something is wrong with me part before and start the healing and the coaching process, and coaching is a part of healing. I don't care. Coaching is a part of the healing journey and I don't think a lot of coaches to see themselves as a Healer or in the healing space. They don't see themselves in the wellness space. They open themselves in the business space, even though trying to use healing and spiritual practices with great. We told her to me. He got this ridiculous, you know, but that is very consistent, with the way we're taught to be. We're taught that our work is something over here that we need to put our heads down and just do and crank it out. And, you know, we picture ourselves as being like a mechanical part to this mechanic this machine and that's separate from our feelings is separate from flow is separate from Easy, separate from rest. So, this is this piece right here and your this Cog and this will, and you go right here. You do this. So that makes sense. That people would think of it that way, they see business is something separate from who they are. So, I don't particularly care for the term coaching. However, I was really trying to wear the hat and I do where they had a consultant, because I help people with business their systems and picking out software and things like that. That, however, if I am in particular coaching or Georgia entrepreneurs, I cannot do that without the coaching part. So I see. Coaching / consultant coach last consultant. Because most of the things that people end up needing help with our personal and there's this one thing that they believe, if they don't know how to do this one thing, then the whole thing falls apart. You can't consult that. You really have to provide support. Yes, we talked a lot in season 3 about mentorship and I resonate with the term Mentor. It's because it's a cultural thing for me. Hi, could you when I think of a mentor I picture black women outside. Laughing talking doing hair and teach the younger women. How to do things. Right. That's that's what I hear when I picture a mentor because it's not just the business. I'd like you said, it's the personal side to and because I'm a real, I believe in wholeness, right? All this is connected. All of it. Your business is connected. Your personal life is connected. Your relationships are connected. All of this, is your mental health, your physical health, all of this spirituality. All of this is connected and it's really difficult to separate it because let me tell you something, if shit is going bad at work, shit is going bad at home. Yes, children is affecting your personal relationships is affecting. Your health is affecting how you eat is affecting your sleep. It's impacting every area of your life. And so, it's crazy to think that you could just separate this out. And just work on business, because Connected. And so if I had to call myself something, I would call myself a mentor. But I use all the terms because people have different relationships with all the terms. Yeah. No, I think that's really good. It's got me thinking about a lot of things about learn plate and that's something I made. I'm like, you really got me thinking about experimenting with that term a little bit more because I can see how It is less authoritarian sounding and it sounds more. Like we are on the same playing field as opposed to. I'm up here as this expert with this knowledge, which I do have right? And is required in the situation. Yes, but your client right to be learning from each other. Each other exactly. So, yeah, so yes, I'm the expert but they are also the expert on their lived experience and that's an expertise that I cannot insert. I cannot conjure up. It just won't happen. But they're also the expert in other areas. So many times when I was teaching in the University as opposed to teaching our here. Every semester I taught this or just about every source of talk to his friends management framework, which I'd have used to publish and feel like I know a lot about it and I do, but every semester inevitably, even if we got down to the last class, period, there was always a student who wants it. Clear. They had a whole different way of applying the framework were using it. Like yes, yes, that's exactly. And what it does and it's what you're pointing out. What it does, is it actually deepens my understanding as the professor when you can bring the application to me. So I was thinking about the picture. You were painting earlier when you were thinking about mentorship or mentoring. You see older black women, mentoring young women. And I almost see the younger black women showing the latest. Is fashion and the latest dances and how you break the hair now. And all these things in actually had a friend on Facebook and she was talking about how she was hanging out. She and her daughter went out with someone daughters friends, and she said she was just so amazed how successful they are. And not just a success, but they're what they're focused on because I'm 50. And when we were their age, a lot of us were Looking our walls because we felt like we should be married at the time, things like 2029 by their time. You a lot of us probably should've married, whatever and they, some of them are thinking about that, but some of them are not, but they're thinking the point is they're thinking about a lot of things. But the main point here though, is that there's a lot we can learn from them about how to maintain the focus to get the life that we want to live, they already. Have that. And so there's a lot that we can learn from them. Even as people who are 20 25 years their senior. But yeah, so, you know, we all show up as experts in our own ways. Yes, I find that a lot of close-minded people that I know have a very limited circle of friends, and that the more that you go out of your circle, the more open-minded you get right as you're getting more information. And a lot of my a lot of my friends are younger than I am and keeps me young because I'm always hearing things from their perspective. Even you know, my friends are in their mid 30s, early 40s, and some even even younger and to listen to their thoughts, the things that they're going through. The solutions that they're finding, even the music, they listen to in the way that they dance and how their recycling or some of the things, like. Oh my gosh. Like I can't believe like bell bottoms are coming back and missionary and they were talking about the little baby Clips are many clips and stuff. I'm just like, I remember those, so doing things differently. Makes me excited for that. It's exciting. Whereas other people are like, oh my gosh, that's just so I can't believe that are doing this are bringing that back. Yeah, and just being really negative to the younger generation and embracing all that they could bring to the table. Well, and I think part of it is when number one, you know, we get comfortable and that requires us to put me in a different headspace to open ourselves up to them. and number two, A lot of people equate age with this automatic Authority. And this this this this power like, you know, Amanda ones has bestowed this power upon you tap on your head, you have it, but it doesn't work. That way. It can work that way, but it doesn't always work that way and to be in a space where younger people. No, a lot and they're doing a lot and they have a lot to teach us. That is really uncomfortable for people who expect to be. Granted a certain type of respect, just because they're still breathing wisdom, wisdom, the term that comes to mind with me is wisdom. And I feel like I've been granted some sort of Respect because of wisdom like people that number one, people believe I've been told that I'm a safe space, right? It's not created. I did not say that. I'm a safe space. People have told me that I am a safe space. Mmm-hmm. And so not only if they told me that, I'm a safe space, but they told me that I have wisdom so they can come to me. Be themselves. Be And learned something new and be able to share their ideas. Even if they're different than my own. I read. I think that's one of the thing that make me a very valuable Mentor. Yes, I think so. I think that all of that is true. You know, you write up a word that is. It's a very weird. That's very important to me. That is wisdom. And as we think about what we're trying to do, in community, what we're trying to do is individuals. You know at the core what we're talking about here is cream situation. We can develop we can build, we can create wisdom, right? So that's that's one of the reasons. So being a community is about resource sharing. It's about making it easier on you each other, helping, achieve our goals, but what you do, when all of this comes together, there's this Collective wisdom that happens and you can have knowledge. Age. So I talk with people about your just data and data, you know, put together, certainly creates information, information created good together. Certainly increase knowledge, and then knowledge, applied equals wisdom, and that's what we're creating here. We're creating a situation where we take knowledge as meaningful to us information. That is meaning to meaningful to us, and we're applying it to our lives in a way that makes a difference in our lives and bye. Applying that information applying that knowledge, making them knowledge and information move from one person to the next sharing. Even if we're younger or older, then what that does is it creates a collect. It creates wisdom within the individuals and it creates wisdom for the group. And, you know, we talk a lot about Tick-Tock because you and I I've learned a lot there and just by talking to you. It sounds like, you know, it's the place where you Learned a lot as well for all of his foolishness. It is also a place where there's a collective gather wisdom happening there because if you have the right filters, you can see for example, and it just depends on who you follow. You can see this Collective wisdom building. So going back to what we started with the deep breathing. There's a wisdom that I had developed over the past are going on two years of being on. Take time your had two years that has primed me to receive that. Message that the therapist could out about deep breathing actually being more escalating than it is grounding for some people and That's what we're working on. That's what we're heading towards. It is about the wisdom. So it is about the conversations that we're having here on the podcast, but it's also about what you all who are listening do after you listen know where you take it. Does it spark a different or new thought does its part different or a new action? Where does it travel from here? There is a word that you've been playing with and we're going to come to a close here soon. But I think it's worth mentioning in this context. The term thought leader. Hmm, and I don't think we as black women, see ourselves as thought leaders because very few of us. Position, ourselves or have the ability, or think we have the ability to position ourselves. As having original thought, because we're still in the mode of I have to work. I'm still right. Being myself to another Authority rather than being the authority. Mmm-hmm. And I just want to know your thoughts about about that before we close. Sure. That's, I'm glad you brought that up. Because I know that something that you've talked about. Yeah. Yeah. I have a lot of thoughts of nothing. And I was just thinking, as you were talking something. I heard this person who is a really good coach, and he was saying and what people need now. Yes, we need information. We need knowledge. We need facts. We need application. You need to know how to do things. But what the world really means now more than anything else is leadership. And what is happening with black women? Is a lot of us, get pushed out of jobs. We get pushed out of situations, because people at the same time, they need the leadership and their body. Craves the leadership. They reject the leadership. And I heard another woman on tape talking about executive dysfunction and not executive dysfunction, your body but like dysfunction if the executive level and how the most vulnerable people in the organization, really get that good kid down in these situations where the CEO the president or whatever is intent on having a very chaotic dysfunctional environment, and that happens quite often to black women. Because that wisdom that leadership is being projected. Because if we apply that wisdom, we applied that leadership. And that means we'd have to think about people as whole human beings. We have to get some order in, some people just Thrive better when there is chaos, and there is disorder. And I think this entire black woman sentiment that we're hearing, I think it is partially or in some large part to do with the fact that people just don't want that wisdom. They don't want that thought leadership, and we have a lot of original ideas. I say often that black women are designed thinkers. We think about design thinkers. We usually think by engineers and who build products to make up for problem with other products and building something new. But think about those of us who are Elder children in the family and how creative we had to be and making sure that things got done when we had adult responsibilities for child Authority. There were so many workarounds that we had to learn how to do in school. We knew that we were being passed over for somebody else. There were ways that we had to present ourselves people. Performative do these things. All these workarounds. We recognize that there's something wrong happening here, but we decide that we're going to succeed. In the way we're going to do the things that we want to do. That requires a great deal of critical thinking, think we have an unlimited amount of opportunities and at the time, you know, you don't feel like an opportunity feels like bullshit because it is but All these experiences with having to work around with have think critically. Okay. So, how do I stay alive in this situation? Okay. Well, how do I finish school? Even if nobody will help me finish school and I found myself in that situation, with my dissertation. How do I do this when they are actively undermining My Success? What that's doing is creating like actually like a super group of thought leaders, actually, where we're constantly. Constantly in this mode of problem solving, and critical thinking and having to do these workarounds. And so, we understand how things work at a level that probably most people do not because we have to understand it at a level where we just stay alive. How is it that? A handful of people can keep hundreds of enslaved, individuals? Chaos, if you keep introducing chaos, they have time to come together to overthrow their enslavers. If you keep throwing chaos, and and in Corporate America and your job situation, you cannot come together as a people and say this isn't right. We have to make Is therefore, we're not unionized we opportunities to say, we're not going to put up with this because we're constantly dealing with chaos at work. Well in that is a really good point. So there are there are some few different ways that people are able to do this. So. We built it into the structures and then we build it into our sentence symbols. Like, we embedded in our symbols. So capitalism provides the means for us to continue to keep rebranding. This thing over and over again. So, it has a new face. It has a new brand, you know, you just get some colors and voila. We got a new logo and what their rebranding. Is this intent for us to remain three-fifths of a person? Because that's written in the Constitution. But it also is written in redlining policy. It is also written in education policy. It is also written Transportation policy. Like these things are embedded. so they create order for some people but chaos for a lot of people actually, and If it has the legal power behind it, then it's really difficult to work around it. But somehow even with the legal power behind it. And even with the symbolic power behind it years, black women have found a way to make shit work. That is a thought leader. And we always will so I'm calling forth all thought leader. That's right. We are calling forth, all thought leaders and even if you did not think of yourself as a thought leader, before you listen to this episode. I'm still calling you, right? I'm still calling you reach out to dr. Kimberly, reach out to myself and let us know. You are out there. You are a thought leader, and we will come up with a way for all of us to get together, right? And create something, and make some changes and do some new shit. Right? Hand comes up. Other thought leaders because we are needed. Yes. Ever right now, right? It's right. Dr. Kimberly, any last words before we end, I'll say, I've enjoyed the randomness of this conversation and giving people a sneak peek behind the curtain of how we interact we did because this is how we talk to each other. These are the things that we are concerned about and this is how we're able to put together. Valuable quality content each week. Because these, you know, we've studied this we've read this, we thought about this and the Two of Us coming together in the Synergy that we create by coming together. It's just it's just really amazing and I do I want to, you know, get people thinking about mentorship, get them to thinking about thought leadership and evening is contested. You never call yourself that before doesn't matter. And we're not saying that it's exclusive to women, but that's the origin story for a lot of black women, but start thinking about the leadership you bring because you're the person we want to come in a little closer to the podcast to the collective to the things that we're putting out in the world. You're the vehicle that is going to drive our ideas that are going to take us into places where we want to be. That it, that is going to help extend our reach. If your leader action Behavior, you are about leader who that right. There is a quotable. Thank you so much. Dr. Kim, Douglas with the two s's, the two West's baby. Thank you, everyone. For listening to the coaches who build world's podcast. Thank you for your support. Thank you for reaching out to us. If you are a thought leader. Oh, and thank you so much for sharing. This episodes of all our episodes with others. We love and appreciate you and we'll see you in season 4 by now. Take care. Bye.